I think the Big Bang theory is correct. The only problem I have is how it came about. It could be that a race of advanced beings in another dimension destroyed themselves in a cataclysmic explosion....which was the very Big Bang that set off our current Universe.

I really like the idea of membrane universes, but here is an explanation:

"Another new "Big Bang" model, and there are many, has been unveiled termed the "ekpyrotic (out of fire) model". According to this model, two ten-dimensional flat sheets of space-time stand parallel to each other. At some point, a random fluctuation in the space-time fabric of one of the sheets peels off a membrane that floats toward the other sheet. When the floater hits the other sheet a big bang occurs, leading to the release of energy and matter from the unfurling of space curvature, and, later, a universe of galaxies and stars".


Ref: Charles Seife, "Big Bang's New Rival Debuts with a Splash", Science 292 (2001): 189-90

Greetings,
Tiare Rivera.-

Hello Tiare,
That sounds fascinating. It sounds similar to the "Multiverse" theory, where instead of having one universe there are an infinite number of universes, like large globes floating in the void. When one 'globe' (or universe) collides with another one, there is a Big Bang and another universe is born out of the release of energy.

Regards,
Susan.

So wait a minute, if membranes are bumping into each other, each time creating a new "bang", (whether big or small is irrelevant)... Then we can assume we got bumped into to create our big bang, but what is to say we won't get bumped again eventually? So what happens? Our universe already exists, with galaxies and planets... A new bang would introduce a rapid acceleration of new material matter which would interact whith what is already here. What would be the potential consequences of this? Was our "bang" just the latest is a series of bangs? That would mean that there was a big bang before "the" big bang... would we not see evidence of this?

My head`s about to explode.

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I cant get my head around any of your theories. I can accept that 15 billion years ago something happened and we are moving away from 'A' point in space, or that as far as our instruments can see or measure is about 15 Billion light years. After that we cant see or measure any further.
I think that after that we will never know!!. Litterly we will Never know. technology is never going to catch up!
not in a hundred years or 1000 years. EVER!!!. Its INFINATE.
Technology has accelerated so fast in the last 150 years and has a long way to go but we are reaching limits. Physical limits that can never be breached. Limits in physics and measurment.

Up until now we could always think outside the box.... The electron, the atom, the molicule, the cell, the substance, the rock, the planet, the solar system, the milkey way and finally the visible and measurable Universe.

The box is not and never will be any bigger because the universe is INFINATE and there is only ONE. we cant put a box around what we cant see or measure. we have seen the edge with Hubble. In the next 1000 years we can only clarify the image a little further.

Everything is 3D, 3 dimensions, x axis, y axis, and z axis. Only in our imagination is there ever going to be another parralell Universe. If its there and it looks like what we can see, its in our Infinate universe and we cant and never will be able to see it or measure it only Guess and imagine.

The "Box" we can see is so big though that it will take a million years to measure and discover it.

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What if each individual atom harbours a hidden universe, the infinitely small hiding the infinitely large. An infinite number of universes all around us? I believe Carl Sagan mentioned that possibility. Another theory; what if we are inside a black hole? If we want to know what it is like inside a black hole then we should look around.
But how could we penetrate these hidden universes (if they exist)? 'Poised at the edge of forever, we would jump off.' Carl Sagan. From his book 'Cosmos.'

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'No one can make you inferior without your consent.'
Eleanor Roosevelt.

Hmmmmm. Dont know Susan. Not sure about the little universes thing. If we are inside a black hole, it looks ok from here.

Einstine could not fully reconcile the issues that surround black holes either. I think there fairly heavy and dense. I think if we were in a black hole, we would all be squished together and much to close for comfort!!. I would then have to tell you to get off me lapp!! LOL

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I think the idea that we could be inside a black hole was based on the theory that black holes might provide an entrance in some way to other universes or dimensions. But since we can't take a spaceship or travel into one to find out (since it would never return) there is no way we will ever know.

Sue.

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'No one can make you inferior without your consent.'
Eleanor Roosevelt.

Interesting. I'm sure in the next fue years we are going to have a lot of information released about whats going on in side black holes. What CERN are building will through some new light on the topic.

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I was watching The Cosmos (btw my thanks goes out to whoever posted that) and Carl Sagan was talking about a 4th dimension. To say the least it made me think about this possibility. I know there is no proof of it yet but the proof could be right in front of us but since we are confined to our 3D dimensional world we cannot see or comprehend it yet. It could also be that the universe is not expanding and it is infinite. These are some wonderful questions we have to answer.

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Wella, I have read several of your messages in this science board and I think
i agree with you about the infinate universe. Its the most likely and plauseable
it my small twisted mind. Your right that maby our minds have to "evolve" a
bit further and science must make some more break through's before we can understand the bigger picture.

I think that in my mind i can only see one universe. I cannot accept some of the rubbish that is bandied around about other worlds that are parralell to us or sideways, or backward, or forward. I can only see in 3 dimentions, maby thats lack of understanding of the science of some of these theories.

Wella, I must say that the hubble site is incredible. It bend my mind to see some of the stuff they are discovering. I just learned how to put in pictures but see if this comes out

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IF the universe is infinite, then could it be possible that there may be an infinite number or me's or you's? In other words, if the universe goes on forever, then is it not possible that the earth and humans have arisen elsewhere again in some way at some time? They may be so infinitely distant we could never contact them in any way. Yet there could be an infinite number of 'earths' with an infinite number of you's that may have arisen throughout eternity. I know it's been said before, but it seems an intriguing thought, does it not?

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'No one can make you inferior without your consent.'
Eleanor Roosevelt.

IF the universe is infinite, then could it be possible that there may be an infinite number or me's or you's? In other words, if the universe goes on forever, then is it not possible that the earth and humans have arisen elsewhere again in some way at some time? They may be so infinitely distant we could never contact them in any way. Yet there could be an infinite number of 'earths' with an infinite number of you's that may have arisen throughout eternity. I know it's been said before, but it seems an intriguing thought, does it not?

Susan I hope there is only one of me cos if i ever get my hands on another one, i'll give him a right good goin over.

What your suggesting might make sense to the aliens that seti are trying to contact. As for me, my mind is so boggeled at the thought, that i feel like i am in another universe right now.

Do you believe in UFO's or that kind of stuff?

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IF the universe is infinite, then could it be possible that there may be an infinite number or me's or you's? In other words, if the universe goes on forever, then is it not possible that the earth and humans have arisen elsewhere again in some way at some time? They may be so infinitely distant we could never contact them in any way. Yet there could be an infinite number of 'earths' with an infinite number of you's that may have arisen throughout eternity. I know it's been said before, but it seems an intriguing thought, does it not?

Susan I hope there is only one of me cos if i ever get my hands on another one, i'll give him a right good goin over.

What your suggesting might make sense to the aliens that seti are trying to contact. As for me, my mind is so boggeled at the thought, that i feel like i am in another universe right now.

Do you believe in UFO's or that kind of stuff?

I do not believe we are being visited by aliens or UFOs, no. It is possible that we may have been visited in the very distant past, and it is possible that they know we are already here. However, space being so large, I don't think any aliens are likely to make the trip to us without a very good reason.

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'No one can make you inferior without your consent.'
Eleanor Roosevelt.

However, space being so large, I don't think any aliens are likely to make the trip to us without a very good reason.

Unless, of course, they have already discovered Faster-than-light travel. ;)

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/Mav

We have lingered long enough on the shores of the cosmic ocean.
We are ready at last to set sail for the stars.
(Carl Sagan)

Diego, Now we'er talking. Is it possible?. Faster than Light?. could it
be done. Diego this topic is so Hot It merrits a new Thread on its owen.

Maby we can find some answers!!!

Maby keep this thread for thoughts on Distant Massive Galaxy's.

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I was reading a article on wikipedia about the Hubble Ultra Deep field and at the bottom was a news link to this article.

I for one have had a hard time believing the big bang theory ever since I first learned about it.

Distant Galaxy is Too Massive For Current Theories

Scientists studying the UDF found this galaxy in Hubble's infrared images. They expected it to be young and small, like other known galaxies at similar distances. Instead, they found evidence the galaxy is remarkably mature and much more massive, and its stars appear to have been in place for a long time.

Hi walla L,m yorkie from blackpool just recently come back to the fold,
I have a hsrd time with the big bang theory i always feel they are stopping the chicken and egg theory where it suits them. to create anexplosion/implosion you need space, matter, you also need gravity or how could all these things come together something does not seem to gel with me

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