Simon (Oh, great chicken).....
Downloaded and tried the new cpu test/benchmark app this morning. I was going to try it on that NT machine that wouldn't run the sse app earlier this week (any progress?).
Downloaded it and unzipped it to my temp file, when I tried to run the test app, it will not run. Got the error window 'unable to locate dll'. Appears it is looking for mscoree.dll in the error window.
This was on one of my win2k systems, I was going to try to run it there first before trying it on that NT sytem.

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You will have to install the Microsoft .NET framework, Version 1.1 or later to run this application.

I do believe it's available for NT, check microsoft.com.

HTH,
Simon.

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Simon...What is the .net framework used for? If that is not a normal Windoze component, you might as well let everybody know up front that it is required before they go to the trouble of downloading and trying the new app. Or is it standard on Windoze after win2k? Thanx.

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Simon...What is the .net framework used for? If that is not a normal Windoze component, you might as well let everybody know up front that it is required before they go to the trouble of downloading and trying the new app. Or is it standard on Windoze after win2k? Thanx.

.net is the current "hot" (according to Microsoft) development framework. It is mostly safe to assume that it will be on most Windows machines. Most of the current Microsoft development tools use/require it.

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Pretty much...

most any recent application uses the .NET framework. Office 2003 uses it (like pretty much all recent Microsoft apps).

In 99% of all cases, you will have already installed it.

I noticed I forgot to put a mention of it into the announcement, but that's a bit difficult to change now (you know, can only edit for one hour after posting).

HTH,
Simon.

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The new benchmarking app doesn't run here (but the client does, and that's the important thing). When starting it, it comes with an error message "The application failed to initalize properly (0xc0000135). Click on OK to terminate the application". It looks like the only dll that it depends on is "mscoree.dll" which on my system is present and located in c:\\windows\\system32\\URTTemp (seems a bit of a suspect location: could that be a problem, though the error message doesn't seem to point to a missing dll?). Is this .net related (I think I installed that at some point, but is there a sure way to check)?

Also, is this a debug build? There seems to be some debug data in it:

Debug Formats in File:
  Type            Size       Address    FilePtr    Charactr   TimeData   Version
  CODEVIEW        0x000000B4 0x0000C01C 0x0000B01C 0x00000000 0x44B5E65B 0.00
    (RSDS, C:\\Dokumente und Einstellungen\\Administrator\\Eigene Dateien\\Visual Studio Projects\\KWSN - CPU Detector\\obj\\Debug\\KWSN - CPU Test & Benchmark Tool BETA1.pdb)

(at least the full path in there is useless on user's pcs)

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The new benchmarking app doesn't run here (but the client does, and that's the important thing). When starting it, it comes with an error message "The application failed to initalize properly (0xc0000135). Click on OK to terminate the application". It looks like the only dll that it depends on is "mscoree.dll" which on my system is present and located in c:\\windows\\system32\\URTTemp (seems a bit of a suspect location: could that be a problem, though the error message doesn't seem to point to a missing dll?). Is this .net related (I think I installed that at some point, but is there a sure way to check)?

Also, is this a debug build? There seems to be some debug data in it:

Debug Formats in File:
  Type            Size       Address    FilePtr    Charactr   TimeData   Version
  CODEVIEW        0x000000B4 0x0000C01C 0x0000B01C 0x00000000 0x44B5E65B 0.00
    (RSDS, C:\\Dokumente und Einstellungen\\Administrator\\Eigene Dateien\\Visual Studio Projects\\KWSN - CPU Detector\\obj\\Debug\\KWSN - CPU Test & Benchmark Tool BETA1.pdb)

(at least the full path in there is useless on user's pcs)

See my first post in this thread....mscoree.dll is what my systems was looking for also. However, I do not have it on my system, as I apperently have not installed any apps that use it. I will probably check into getting it from Microsoft's website, but I have manually installed the correct optimized app for my processor, so I am not in any hurry to do so. I am guessing that the folder you have it in was maybe installed by a program rather than by Windows, and is not where the system is trying to find it. Might have to copy it to the correct location, although I am afraid I cannot tell you where that would be....

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Yes,

there is still debug data in there, there's even a debug database (.pdb) file there. Since this is still a Beta version (meaning not very well tested), I decided it was better to put out a debug build in case people had trouble.

Also, when you install the .NET framework, all necessary DLLs and files are copied to the correct place on your system automatically.

You cannot simply copy the DLL and expect things to work - they won't. You need to install the .NET framework 1.1 package or later to make the program work.

HTH,
Simon.

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Ah yes. Stupid me. I should learn how to read... Thanks! It looks like I only had some left-overs from the .Net framework on my computer (I'm sure I installed it when fiddling around with boinc-spy quite awhile back). I just (re)installed .Net framework 2.0 and now it runs like a charm and tells me I chose correctly when I went Chicken last week. ;)

Minor cosmetic detail: the text in all caps at the top right urging me to quit boinc before running the tests gets truncated after "STARTING THE" on my screen (if it would help I can post a screenshot if that's not the case on your system).

Also: the stderr.txt file simply gets appended to. It's nice to see your output there already to show what the outcome should be like, but maybe it's nice to add a separator between runs of the different clients to indicate that a new set of tests starts here, by also letting the benchmark app write a few lines to stderr.txt before starting the tests (this extra line can then also include when the tests were run etc. or whatever information other might be useful). I don't know ho many people actually look at that file, so it might not be worth the effort, but I thought I'd post the idea anyhow.

I love the idea you describe in the other topic, Simon, to extend the app in the future to include configurable benchmarking and automatic result sharing. It'll be a sort of boinc manager of your own, starting up seti clients and reporting the results online, but then collecting data on how seti/boinc is doing. So more like a meta-boinc manager (or meta-seti). Let me reiterate my appreciation for all you're doing. Thanks!

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See my first post in this thread....mscoree.dll is what my systems was looking for also. However, I do not have it on my system, as I apperently have not installed any apps that use it. I will probably check into getting it from Microsoft's website, but I have manually installed the correct optimized app for my processor, so I am not in any hurry to do so. I am guessing that the folder you have it in was maybe installed by a program rather than by Windows, and is not where the system is trying to find it. Might have to copy it to the correct location, although I am afraid I cannot tell you where that would be....

FWIW, this site seems to have all the DLLs anyone could want for download.

I found it the other day when I ran Noton One Button Checkup (havn't done do for ages) and got several reports of missing DLLs - satisfied all the downloads there.

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In this case, installing all missing libraries manually is really not the way to go. .NET is more than just some DLLs that you're missing, like stated before.

If you go that route, you're asking for trouble in the future.

Not recommended :o) It may work for you, but why do things the difficult way if there's an easy one? Download, double-click, click "accept" + "next/next/finish". Done...I really fail to see the problem :o)

I could develop this app without .NET, but I won't. It's been around since 2002, V1.1 comes with automatic updates on Windows if you enable them. While using a monolithic runtime package like .NET seems overkill for a tiny program, this tiny program would be huge without it (you'd have to include all needed libs manually).

All in all, there really is no way around .NET now or in the future, if you're using Windows. New versions will not even work without it (see Vista).

Regards,
Simon.

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...I could develop this app without .NET, but I won't. It's been around since 2002, V1.1 comes with automatic updates on Windows if you enable them. While using a monolithic runtime package like .NET seems overkill for a tiny program, this tiny program would be huge without it (you'd have to include all needed libs manually).

All in all, there really is no way around .NET now or in the future, if you're using Windows. New versions will not even work without it (see Vista).

Regards,
Simon.

Hello!

There are two versions of .NET:

Microsoft .NET Framework Version 1.1
Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0: x86 (KB829019)

When I have the two versions on my PC, everything is O.K.?


Greetings!

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Version 1.1 should be enough, I didn't use any 2.0-only components.

HTH,
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Hey, chickey......please don't apologize for doin' what you gotta do. Just cuz a few of us are still in the stone age (runnin NT4.0 on one of my 6 computers) doesn't mean you gotta cater to us. My rac has gone from 1500's to 1800's using your new apps, so all is cool, dude. Luv, ya man!!!! Chickens of the world unite!!!

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It's working good here Chicken of Angnor. One request though, could you make it trap the illegal instruction when it tries to test
an app that won't run on the system. The way it is now it spits out a windows error box that has to be clicked on to continue with
the next test phase. Did not really need to test my system as it is obvious that the sse already installed the other day is the fastest
one for my xp2500+ but was curious to see if my .net install was still funtional. I have v2.0.40607 beta , but v1.0.3705 and v1.1.4322
are still on here too.
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And God said"Let there be light."But then the program crashed because he was trying to access the 'light' property of a NULL universe pointer.

Interesting -

on my AMD test system, I get no error message/dialog box, and it just skips the ones it cannot execute. What hardware are you on? The .NET Beta may have something to do with your trouble.

Regards,
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Interesting -

on my AMD test system, I get no error message/dialog box, and it just skips the ones it cannot execute. What hardware are you on? The .NET Beta may have something to do with your trouble.

Regards,
Simon.

As i was making my previous post i had a suspicion that it could be an affect of my old OS(98se) since i had not seen any other
reports of this. And since it is such a minor issue, I would not worry to much about it Simon. It just makes your test app
interactive, lol.
:)

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And God said"Let there be light."But then the program crashed because he was trying to access the 'light' property of a NULL universe pointer.

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...I could develop this app without .NET, but I won't. It's been around since 2002, V1.1 comes with automatic updates on Windows if you enable them. While using a monolithic runtime package like .NET seems overkill for a tiny program, this tiny program would be huge without it (you'd have to include all needed libs manually).

All in all, there really is no way around .NET now or in the future, if you're using Windows. New versions will not even work without it (see Vista).
Regards,
Simon.

Hello!

There are two versions of .NET:

Microsoft .NET Framework Version 1.1
Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0: x86 (KB829019)

Greetings!

Isn't it up to version 3 now? I'm maybe wrong but I thought I saw it download .NET Framework 3 when is was gettiing all the updates for this system when did a clean install during the week.

[EDIT]
No my mistake. Was an extra version 2 security addon for x64. Just checked in add/remove programs.

Lol, nicely put :o)

Wonder whether it adds the time taken until you click to the run time? Since the timing metric is the one I'm using to suggest apps, that may be counter-productive.

Thanks for the feedback!

Regards,
Simon.

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