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Message 359176 - Posted: 7 Jul 2006, 17:48:04 UTC

Simon, when you do release your numbercruncher, will it automatically erase the cruncher already in the existing .....berkeley.edu file? If there happens to be another cruncher lying dormant (due to inept loading - I tried but failed to install Crunch3r's cruncher and his app_info file) in that folder or in a subordinate folder will your cruncher erase that one, too? If not, will that old dormant cruncher and its related files remain dormant? Thanks. Clyde
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Message 359205 - Posted: 7 Jul 2006, 18:05:43 UTC - in response to Message 358674.  
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I'm not benchmarking vs. Crunch3rs apps any more because in this thread he said it wasn't a valid comparison because his apps were based on old sources.

In any case, my Windows apps have not gotten slower, rather, a few percent quicker using the 9.1/5.1 commercial Intel versions than then 9.0/5.0 I was using before. Not much, just enough to notice.

Dirk, vielleicht ein bisschen provokativ, aber kein Problem...sind genauso schnell oder schneller, je nach System!

Also, yes, I am planning an MMX app, but that will take a little more testing. When I release the clients, the zips will contain an app_info.xml edited for the specific client, so you'll just have to copy it to projects/setiathome.berkeley.edu and restart BOINC (like with the Linux clients).

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Hallo Simon, (KWSN - Chicken of Angnor)!

Meine Frage, ob deine apps schneller sind als Cruch3rs, kam daher, dass ich (O.K. meine PCs :-) gerne die WUs so schnell wie irgend möglich durchrechnen möchte.
Damit wir E.T. so schnell wie möglich finden! :-)
Dabei kommt es mir auch gar nicht auf die Credits an!
Von mir aus könnten wir einfach, wie bei Classic, die WUs zählen und fertig!

Nochmals vielen Dank für deine geopferte Zeit für S@H und deine Arbeit!


Grüße!

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Message 359256 - Posted: 7 Jul 2006, 19:01:53 UTC - in response to Message 359176.  

Simon, when you do release your numbercruncher, will it automatically erase the cruncher already in the existing .....berkeley.edu file? If there happens to be another cruncher lying dormant (due to inept loading - I tried but failed to install Crunch3r's cruncher and his app_info file) in that folder or in a subordinate folder will your cruncher erase that one, too? If not, will that old dormant cruncher and its related files remain dormant? Thanks. Clyde

MOST, I did put it in all caps so you would know I meant MOST of the time, Windows will ask if you want to over write a file if a file exists that is the same name as the one you are copying. In this case the answer would be yes, you want to use Simons version not Crunch3r's. BUT to be safe it would be best to delete what you are not using. If you are not sure of the security of deleting anything you should get the message 'do you want to overwrite the file' when you install Simon's version. If you do not get the message than that is because he is not using the same file naming conventions that Crunch3r did and there should be nothing to worry about. The program will only use the files it is looking for, not any old file.

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Message 359273 - Posted: 7 Jul 2006, 19:22:03 UTC
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Quite right -

I did not name the clients the same as the default one.

Instead, my clients have this nomenclature:

setiathome-X.YY-kwsn-EXT

So, for the current MMX one:
setiathome-5.15-kwsn-mmx(.exe)

or SSE:
setiathome-5.15-kwsn-sse(.exe)

et cetera, you get the picture. The only file that will be overwritten is app_info.xml. This is a good thing since the app_info.xml you have lying around there is most definitely not adjusted for that file name. So basically, you just need to unpack the contents of the zip file to your BOINC/projects/setiathome.berkeley.edu folder, then stop and restart BOINC (or the service, if you have it running as a service). That should be it. It's currently set to crunch all version 5.12 to 5.15 WUs.

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Message 359278 - Posted: 7 Jul 2006, 19:30:30 UTC - in response to Message 359273.  
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<snip>
So, for the current MMX one:
setiathome-5.15-kwsn-mmx

or SSE:
setiathome-5.15-kwsn-sse
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Simon, you mention an MMX version in your post above - but I don't see it at your site, only SSE and SSE2.

Since one of my boxes is an old P2 with only MMX (no SSE), I'd be very interested in finding an optimized client for it.

Am I looking in the wrong place, or did I misunderstand what you said?

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Message 359280 - Posted: 7 Jul 2006, 19:33:41 UTC

Hm,

I was speaking semi-theoretically :)

The released clients are Linux-only, and only SSE and SSE2 for now. An MMX version will follow.

Right now, I'm working on Windows versions. And yes, there is a Windows MMX-optimized build available, which is what I'm guessing you're looking for. These apps have not yet been released.

A Linux MMX-optimized build will come some time next week. Right now I'm swamped :o)

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Message 359323 - Posted: 7 Jul 2006, 19:55:36 UTC - in response to Message 359280.  

Hm,

I was speaking semi-theoretically :)

The released clients are Linux-only, and only SSE and SSE2 for now. An MMX version will follow.

Right now, I'm working on Windows versions. And yes, there is a Windows MMX-optimized build available, which is what I'm guessing you're looking for. These apps have not yet been released.

A Linux MMX-optimized build will come some time next week. Right now I'm swamped :o)

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Looks like your client will be my last chance to make it to the top 1000 machines...I was there once for a day then dropped to 470's RAC was only a couple percentages off this morning now have dropped big time again...Hope we don't knock your site offline with all the hits you will get.
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Message 359393 - Posted: 7 Jul 2006, 20:31:26 UTC
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//mouth drooling at thought of optimised apps :D

to celebreate ..i just won a auction on Ebay for a P4 3.2Ghz / 1 MB cache / 800 fsb.

to replace existing P4 3.0Ghz / 512k cache / 800 fsb.

I think I am right in thinking the extra cache and the SSE3 instruction set ...should make it worthwhile ?

After all once it arives and is fitted ...I will get most of my money back from auctioning it on Ebay ...having a nice feedback score :D
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Message 359459 - Posted: 7 Jul 2006, 21:32:50 UTC - in response to Message 358674.  

I'm not benchmarking vs. Crunch3rs apps any more because in this thread he said it wasn't a valid comparison because his apps were based on old sources.

In any case, my Windows apps have not gotten slower, rather, a few percent quicker using the 9.1/5.1 commercial Intel versions than then 9.0/5.0 I was using before. Not much, just enough to notice.

Dirk, vielleicht ein bisschen provokativ, aber kein Problem...sind genauso schnell oder schneller, je nach System!

Also, yes, I am planning an MMX app, but that will take a little more testing. When I release the clients, the zips will contain an app_info.xml edited for the specific client, so you'll just have to copy it to projects/setiathome.berkeley.edu and restart BOINC (like with the Linux clients).

HTH,
Simon.


Simon,

Pardon my ignorance--I'm a Windows user, not Linux, but I'm sure someone's going to be interested in this question:

If the Windows apps run better on the Comercial Intel versions, do you plan on redoing the Linux apps with the new versions too? Would it help them? Is it even possible?

Inquiring minds want to know...
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Message 359460 - Posted: 7 Jul 2006, 21:33:06 UTC - in response to Message 359280.  

Hm,

I was speaking semi-theoretically :)


Drats, foiled again. :(


The released clients are Linux-only, and only SSE and SSE2 for now. An MMX version will follow.

Right now, I'm working on Windows versions. And yes, there is a Windows MMX-optimized build available, which is what I'm guessing you're looking for. These apps have not yet been released.

A Linux MMX-optimized build will come some time next week. Right now I'm swamped :o)


Oh, I am definitely looking forward to the Windows clients! But for MMX, I was actually looking for a Linux version. It now takes about 2+ days per WU on that old box. Some days, I wonder if it's really worthwhile keeping that clunker running, but it seems a shame to throw away what little processing power it has.

I thoroughly understand being swamped! Not trying to rush you on any of it, but you had my hopes up with your semi-theoretical statement.

Keep up the good work, and Thank You!

Roy

PS. If you need a beta tester for the Linux MMX version, I'll be happy to place my few FPOPS at your service.
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Message 359488 - Posted: 7 Jul 2006, 21:51:07 UTC - in response to Message 359393.  
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//mouth drooling at thought of optimised apps :D

to celebreate ..i just won a auction on Ebay for a P4 3.2Ghz / 1 MB cache / 800 fsb.

to replace existing P4 3.0Ghz / 512k cache / 800 fsb.

I think I am right in thinking the extra cache and the SSE3 instruction set ...should make it worthwhile ?

After all once it arives and is fitted ...I will get most of my money back from auctioning it on Ebay ...having a nice feedback score :D

I debated about posting this but....the new machine should crunch faster than your old machine, but not by much. The Boinc client fits into the 512k L2 cache already so expanding to a 1 mb L2 cache is not that helpful. Also, using Crunch3r's apps as an example, the SSE3 app was actually 20 minutes per unit slower than the SSE2 app. The fsb being the same, at 800mhz, will not make any difference. The difference will come in the fact that the new machine is a 3.2 not just a 3.0 ghz machine. You COULD get a bit more or less depending on the motherboard, some mb's are faster than others at processing identical data. If the new one is in the VERY bad range than you could actually take longer to process units.

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Message 359499 - Posted: 7 Jul 2006, 22:03:58 UTC - in response to Message 359488.  
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//mouth drooling at thought of optimised apps :D

to celebreate ..i just won a auction on Ebay for a P4 3.2Ghz / 1 MB cache / 800 fsb.

to replace existing P4 3.0Ghz / 512k cache / 800 fsb.

I think I am right in thinking the extra cache and the SSE3 instruction set ...should make it worthwhile ?

After all once it arives and is fitted ...I will get most of my money back from auctioning it on Ebay ...having a nice feedback score :D

I debated about posting this but....the new machine should crunch faster than your old machine, but not by much. The Boinc client fits into the 512k L2 cache already so expanding to a 1 mb L2 cache is not that helpful. Also, using Crunch3r's apps as an example, the SSE3 app was actually 20 minutes per unit slower than the SSE2 app. The fsb being the same, at 800mhz, will not make any difference. The difference will come in the fact that the new machine is a 3.2 not just a 3.0 ghz machine. You COULD get a bit more or less depending on the motherboard, some mb's are faster than others at processing identical data. If the new one is in the VERY bad range than you could actually take longer to process units.


Oh !!

Well I hope it gets a little more ..thing is I am holding off upgrading my machines for now . as in all will eventually need new motherboards ...and now that AGP and AGP 2 is on its way out ... Graphics will be a major thing that adds to costs as I upgrade ...( main 2 machines ) ... moving the better components from the higher spec to the lower spec ...

The machine were on about has a Asus P4C800 M/B and Corsair Extreme pc 3200 mem ...and tbh ...will require a major revamp next time ...as in new CPU ..M/b...Gfx card .. and prob Ram too... so this was like a tiny bit of loving ...till the time comes to upgrade propperly.

As well as crunching ... gaming was the main reason for the upgrade ...nudged on by the crunching ...if you follow .

Will be my last upgrade for a while .... till the new hardware drops in price ... as I am one that thinks that buying hardware thats over a year old ...is fine ...coz it takes at least that long for games and other software to catch up .. :D


thanks for the info.

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Message 360102 - Posted: 8 Jul 2006, 16:37:49 UTC

Any news as to when the release of Windows clients? The suspence is killing me. I missed out on the other optimized clients...Though did find a 5.12 and 5.5 after going thru pages and pages on Google. Would rather wait for yours...
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Message 360544 - Posted: 8 Jul 2006, 23:13:35 UTC

You may want to check out this announcement :o)

Windows optimized clients are available for download.

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Message 360554 - Posted: 8 Jul 2006, 23:25:07 UTC - in response to Message 360544.  

You may want to check out this announcement :o)

Windows optimized clients are available for download.

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Simon you are the Man!!!Thank you so much for your UNSELFISH work. So many will appriciate your time...
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Message 360559 - Posted: 8 Jul 2006, 23:27:56 UTC - in response to Message 360544.  

You may want to check out this announcement :o)

Windows optimized clients are available for download.


You rock, Simon! Thanks for the hard work and well-done resource for disseminating your resulting clients.

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Message 360599 - Posted: 8 Jul 2006, 23:54:07 UTC - in response to Message 360544.  

You may want to check out this announcement :o)

Windows optimized clients are available for download.

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Strictly for comparison purposes how do your apps stack up against Crunch3r's?
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Message 360609 - Posted: 9 Jul 2006, 0:01:18 UTC
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Varies.

Depending on host and AR, his is sometimes faster, sometimes mine is. In my own testing, AMD chips tended to favour his binary, while Intels were quicker on mine.

You could check out the comparison tables to find out more.

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Message 360613 - Posted: 9 Jul 2006, 0:03:39 UTC - in response to Message 360609.  

Varies.

Depending on host and AR, his is sometimes faster, sometimes mine is. In my own testing, AMD chips tended to favour his binary, while Intels were quicker on mine.

You could check out the comparison tables to find out more.

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I have, which is why I was asking. Intel Prescott with Windows here.
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I intentionally did not include results using Crunch3rs binary because I did not distribute it to anyone. Some people did bench with it anyway, I also did myself. These results will stay private, though Crunch3r can have them if he wants to.

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