Hello!

@ KWSN - Chicken of Angnor

At first thanks a lot for your time and nice work for S@H ! :-)

A small question:
(Windows)
Are your apps faster than Cruch3rs?

This asks sounds oneself perhaps somewhat provocatively, is not it however!
(Diese Frage hört sich vielleicht etwas provokativ an, soll es aber nicht!)
(Ich hoffe das ist die richtige Ãœbersetzung ins englische?! :-)

In the beginning of this thread you posted the speeds...

testWU-1 (AR: 0.60488405578199)
testWU-2 (AR: 0.4437317022742)
testWU-4 (AR: 1.2796485198966)


...and it´s like that, that Cruch3rs and your apps have the same speed up...

The versions, that you will release nearly, they are the same or you will have more speed up? :-)

A smaller question at the end... :-)
Can you publish a "app_info.xml" too, for your apps then? :-)


Greetings!

:-)


PS. You will release maybe a MMX Version too for AMD K7 (Athlon, without XP ;-) ...?

PPS. World Soccer Match in Germany 2006, Germany only 3 or 4 place... we will see on Saturday... :-(

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It dosn´t matter Dirk.
If Chickens versions are faster than Berkeleys it helps a lot.

regards Mike

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I'm not benchmarking vs. Crunch3rs apps any more because in this thread he said it wasn't a valid comparison because his apps were based on old sources.

In any case, my Windows apps have not gotten slower, rather, a few percent quicker using the 9.1/5.1 commercial Intel versions than then 9.0/5.0 I was using before. Not much, just enough to notice.

Dirk, vielleicht ein bisschen provokativ, aber kein Problem...sind genauso schnell oder schneller, je nach System!

Also, yes, I am planning an MMX app, but that will take a little more testing. When I release the clients, the zips will contain an app_info.xml edited for the specific client, so you'll just have to copy it to projects/setiathome.berkeley.edu and restart BOINC (like with the Linux clients).

HTH,
Simon.

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Hello!
@ KWSN - Chicken of Angnor
At first thanks a lot for your time and nice work for S@H ! :-)
A small question:
(Windows)
Are your apps faster than Cruch3rs?
...and it?s like that, that Cruch3rs and your apps have the same speed up...
The versions, that you will release nearly, they are the same or you will have more speed up? :-)
A smaller question at the end... :-)
Can you publish a "app_info.xml" too, for your apps then? :-)
Greetings!
PS. You will release maybe a MMX Version too for AMD K7 (Athlon, without XP ;-) ...?

If you go to the website http://www.zadra.org/seti_enhanced/ and read about the Linux installation procedures they are VERY similar to the Windows ones. And yes there is an app_info.xml file.
As for the same speed as Crunch3r's apps, that depends on the extensions that Crunch3r used and the ones that Simon uses. There should be very little if any difference when all is said and done. There COULD be some because Crunch3r used some older versions of the original files than Simon is using, I think.
The whole point of the exercise is that Crunch3r was made mad endough that he will not be returning to Seti. AND Simon has stepped up and is using his expertise to provide what people want, a way to crunch faster. That being said if the new versions will not validate the units properly, then the speed up is not worth it. Simon has stated that testing is a VITAL and necessary part and nothing will be released until it passes ALL tests.
Simon has taken on a project that will benefit us, at the expense of his time and abundant energy. He is owed a ton of thanks and support for his efforts! He has ALREADY produced a Linux version and has an ambitious list of OS's he is working on.

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Thanks Mikey ;) Now stop making me blush.

I'm trying to make everything as simple as possible for the end-user - therefore, the *released* (currently we're in testing) clients will include instructions, the necessary License and Readme files and an app_info.xml. What's left is just unpacking them in the right place, and that will be put in the instructions.

Please, I don't want to be compared to anyone. I'd like to be myself, thank you ;o) This is not a competition, it's a community project.

HTH,
Simon.

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Thanks Mikey ;) Now stop making me blush.

I'm trying to make everything as simple as possible for the end-user - therefore, the *released* (currently we're in testing) clients will include instructions, the necessary License and Readme files and an app_info.xml. What's left is just unpacking them in the right place, and that will be put in the instructions.

Please, I don't want to be compared to anyone. I'd like to be myself, thank you ;o) This is not a competition, it's a community project.

HTH,
Simon.

I was just being honest!

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*grin*
Again, thanks.

In regards to my Intel licenses (and the processing delay) - it did take ~60 hours for me to get my license instead of 2, but they did state that they send them out during normal business hours.

Suffice it to say, I now have 7 different people trying to help me ;o) Can't fault them for lack of effort (or apologies for the delay). As the licenses did get sent (a total of 3 times, up to now), I'm a happy customer - and yes, they were all identical sets of two license numbers. No July 4th special 3 for 1 ;o)

Testing is running very nicely, so far all results have validated, some people are already running some of their hosts with it on BOINC. Again, all results have validated, some have already gotten credit.

At the rate it's going, I'll most probably release some builds to the public tomorrow. Watch the announcements thread or this one.

Regards,
Simon.

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Simon, when you do release your numbercruncher, will it automatically erase the cruncher already in the existing .....berkeley.edu file? If there happens to be another cruncher lying dormant (due to inept loading - I tried but failed to install Crunch3r's cruncher and his app_info file) in that folder or in a subordinate folder will your cruncher erase that one, too? If not, will that old dormant cruncher and its related files remain dormant? Thanks. Clyde

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I'm not benchmarking vs. Crunch3rs apps any more because in this thread he said it wasn't a valid comparison because his apps were based on old sources.

In any case, my Windows apps have not gotten slower, rather, a few percent quicker using the 9.1/5.1 commercial Intel versions than then 9.0/5.0 I was using before. Not much, just enough to notice.

Dirk, vielleicht ein bisschen provokativ, aber kein Problem...sind genauso schnell oder schneller, je nach System!

Also, yes, I am planning an MMX app, but that will take a little more testing. When I release the clients, the zips will contain an app_info.xml edited for the specific client, so you'll just have to copy it to projects/setiathome.berkeley.edu and restart BOINC (like with the Linux clients).

HTH,
Simon.

Hallo Simon, (KWSN - Chicken of Angnor)!

Meine Frage, ob deine apps schneller sind als Cruch3rs, kam daher, dass ich (O.K. meine PCs :-) gerne die WUs so schnell wie irgend möglich durchrechnen möchte.
Damit wir E.T. so schnell wie möglich finden! :-)
Dabei kommt es mir auch gar nicht auf die Credits an!
Von mir aus könnten wir einfach, wie bei Classic, die WUs zählen und fertig!

Nochmals vielen Dank für deine geopferte Zeit für S@H und deine Arbeit!


Grüße!

:-)

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Simon, when you do release your numbercruncher, will it automatically erase the cruncher already in the existing .....berkeley.edu file? If there happens to be another cruncher lying dormant (due to inept loading - I tried but failed to install Crunch3r's cruncher and his app_info file) in that folder or in a subordinate folder will your cruncher erase that one, too? If not, will that old dormant cruncher and its related files remain dormant? Thanks. Clyde

MOST, I did put it in all caps so you would know I meant MOST of the time, Windows will ask if you want to over write a file if a file exists that is the same name as the one you are copying. In this case the answer would be yes, you want to use Simons version not Crunch3r's. BUT to be safe it would be best to delete what you are not using. If you are not sure of the security of deleting anything you should get the message 'do you want to overwrite the file' when you install Simon's version. If you do not get the message than that is because he is not using the same file naming conventions that Crunch3r did and there should be nothing to worry about. The program will only use the files it is looking for, not any old file.

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Quite right -

I did not name the clients the same as the default one.

Instead, my clients have this nomenclature:

setiathome-X.YY-kwsn-EXT

So, for the current MMX one:
setiathome-5.15-kwsn-mmx(.exe)

or SSE:
setiathome-5.15-kwsn-sse(.exe)

et cetera, you get the picture. The only file that will be overwritten is app_info.xml. This is a good thing since the app_info.xml you have lying around there is most definitely not adjusted for that file name. So basically, you just need to unpack the contents of the zip file to your BOINC/projects/setiathome.berkeley.edu folder, then stop and restart BOINC (or the service, if you have it running as a service). That should be it. It's currently set to crunch all version 5.12 to 5.15 WUs.

HTH,
Simon.

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<snip>
So, for the current MMX one:
setiathome-5.15-kwsn-mmx

or SSE:
setiathome-5.15-kwsn-sse
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Simon, you mention an MMX version in your post above - but I don't see it at your site, only SSE and SSE2.

Since one of my boxes is an old P2 with only MMX (no SSE), I'd be very interested in finding an optimized client for it.

Am I looking in the wrong place, or did I misunderstand what you said?

TIA,
Roy

Hm,

I was speaking semi-theoretically :)

The released clients are Linux-only, and only SSE and SSE2 for now. An MMX version will follow.

Right now, I'm working on Windows versions. And yes, there is a Windows MMX-optimized build available, which is what I'm guessing you're looking for. These apps have not yet been released.

A Linux MMX-optimized build will come some time next week. Right now I'm swamped :o)

HTH,
Simon.

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Hm,

I was speaking semi-theoretically :)

The released clients are Linux-only, and only SSE and SSE2 for now. An MMX version will follow.

Right now, I'm working on Windows versions. And yes, there is a Windows MMX-optimized build available, which is what I'm guessing you're looking for. These apps have not yet been released.

A Linux MMX-optimized build will come some time next week. Right now I'm swamped :o)

HTH,
Simon.

Looks like your client will be my last chance to make it to the top 1000 machines...I was there once for a day then dropped to 470's RAC was only a couple percentages off this morning now have dropped big time again...Hope we don't knock your site offline with all the hits you will get.

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//mouth drooling at thought of optimised apps :D

to celebreate ..i just won a auction on Ebay for a P4 3.2Ghz / 1 MB cache / 800 fsb.

to replace existing P4 3.0Ghz / 512k cache / 800 fsb.

I think I am right in thinking the extra cache and the SSE3 instruction set ...should make it worthwhile ?

After all once it arives and is fitted ...I will get most of my money back from auctioning it on Ebay ...having a nice feedback score :D

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I'm not benchmarking vs. Crunch3rs apps any more because in this thread he said it wasn't a valid comparison because his apps were based on old sources.

In any case, my Windows apps have not gotten slower, rather, a few percent quicker using the 9.1/5.1 commercial Intel versions than then 9.0/5.0 I was using before. Not much, just enough to notice.

Dirk, vielleicht ein bisschen provokativ, aber kein Problem...sind genauso schnell oder schneller, je nach System!

Also, yes, I am planning an MMX app, but that will take a little more testing. When I release the clients, the zips will contain an app_info.xml edited for the specific client, so you'll just have to copy it to projects/setiathome.berkeley.edu and restart BOINC (like with the Linux clients).

HTH,
Simon.

Simon,

Pardon my ignorance--I'm a Windows user, not Linux, but I'm sure someone's going to be interested in this question:

If the Windows apps run better on the Comercial Intel versions, do you plan on redoing the Linux apps with the new versions too? Would it help them? Is it even possible?

Inquiring minds want to know...

Hm,

I was speaking semi-theoretically :)

Drats, foiled again. :(

The released clients are Linux-only, and only SSE and SSE2 for now. An MMX version will follow.

Right now, I'm working on Windows versions. And yes, there is a Windows MMX-optimized build available, which is what I'm guessing you're looking for. These apps have not yet been released.

A Linux MMX-optimized build will come some time next week. Right now I'm swamped :o)

Oh, I am definitely looking forward to the Windows clients! But for MMX, I was actually looking for a Linux version. It now takes about 2+ days per WU on that old box. Some days, I wonder if it's really worthwhile keeping that clunker running, but it seems a shame to throw away what little processing power it has.

I thoroughly understand being swamped! Not trying to rush you on any of it, but you had my hopes up with your semi-theoretical statement.

Keep up the good work, and Thank You!

Roy

PS. If you need a beta tester for the Linux MMX version, I'll be happy to place my few FPOPS at your service.

//mouth drooling at thought of optimised apps :D

to celebreate ..i just won a auction on Ebay for a P4 3.2Ghz / 1 MB cache / 800 fsb.

to replace existing P4 3.0Ghz / 512k cache / 800 fsb.

I think I am right in thinking the extra cache and the SSE3 instruction set ...should make it worthwhile ?

After all once it arives and is fitted ...I will get most of my money back from auctioning it on Ebay ...having a nice feedback score :D

I debated about posting this but....the new machine should crunch faster than your old machine, but not by much. The Boinc client fits into the 512k L2 cache already so expanding to a 1 mb L2 cache is not that helpful. Also, using Crunch3r's apps as an example, the SSE3 app was actually 20 minutes per unit slower than the SSE2 app. The fsb being the same, at 800mhz, will not make any difference. The difference will come in the fact that the new machine is a 3.2 not just a 3.0 ghz machine. You COULD get a bit more or less depending on the motherboard, some mb's are faster than others at processing identical data. If the new one is in the VERY bad range than you could actually take longer to process units.

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//mouth drooling at thought of optimised apps :D

to celebreate ..i just won a auction on Ebay for a P4 3.2Ghz / 1 MB cache / 800 fsb.

to replace existing P4 3.0Ghz / 512k cache / 800 fsb.

I think I am right in thinking the extra cache and the SSE3 instruction set ...should make it worthwhile ?

After all once it arives and is fitted ...I will get most of my money back from auctioning it on Ebay ...having a nice feedback score :D

I debated about posting this but....the new machine should crunch faster than your old machine, but not by much. The Boinc client fits into the 512k L2 cache already so expanding to a 1 mb L2 cache is not that helpful. Also, using Crunch3r's apps as an example, the SSE3 app was actually 20 minutes per unit slower than the SSE2 app. The fsb being the same, at 800mhz, will not make any difference. The difference will come in the fact that the new machine is a 3.2 not just a 3.0 ghz machine. You COULD get a bit more or less depending on the motherboard, some mb's are faster than others at processing identical data. If the new one is in the VERY bad range than you could actually take longer to process units.

Oh !!

Well I hope it gets a little more ..thing is I am holding off upgrading my machines for now . as in all will eventually need new motherboards ...and now that AGP and AGP 2 is on its way out ... Graphics will be a major thing that adds to costs as I upgrade ...( main 2 machines ) ... moving the better components from the higher spec to the lower spec ...

The machine were on about has a Asus P4C800 M/B and Corsair Extreme pc 3200 mem ...and tbh ...will require a major revamp next time ...as in new CPU ..M/b...Gfx card .. and prob Ram too... so this was like a tiny bit of loving ...till the time comes to upgrade propperly.

As well as crunching ... gaming was the main reason for the upgrade ...nudged on by the crunching ...if you follow .

Will be my last upgrade for a while .... till the new hardware drops in price ... as I am one that thinks that buying hardware thats over a year old ...is fine ...coz it takes at least that long for games and other software to catch up .. :D


thanks for the info.

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Any news as to when the release of Windows clients? The suspence is killing me. I missed out on the other optimized clients...Though did find a 5.12 and 5.5 after going thru pages and pages on Google. Would rather wait for yours...

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