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Message 358309 - Posted: 5 Jul 2006, 23:38:39 UTC

Ulli, bitte poste das auf dem anderen Board. Danke! Hier hat es keinen Platz.

Der Link geht direkt in einen Thread, dort kannst Du posten! Ist echt nicht schwer...

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Message 358312 - Posted: 5 Jul 2006, 23:42:43 UTC - in response to Message 358309.  

Ulli, bitte poste das auf dem anderen Board. Danke! Hier hat es keinen Platz.

Der Link geht direkt in einen Thread, dort kannst Du posten! Ist echt nicht schwer...

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euer forum ist echt hard da was zu finden...

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Message 358313 - Posted: 5 Jul 2006, 23:44:13 UTC

I'll install a german translation so you can find stuff more easily. Maybe that will help.

I will switch your account for you when it's there.
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Message 358316 - Posted: 5 Jul 2006, 23:47:04 UTC - in response to Message 358313.  

I'll install a german translation so you can find stuff more easily. Maybe that will help.

I will switch your account for you when it's there.


ich suche schon seit Stunden,

wo gibt es die Möglichkeit

reply to this

finde das einfach nicht vieleicht auch schon zu spät...

mfg

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Message 358320 - Posted: 5 Jul 2006, 23:49:07 UTC

I've got that same "Can't set up shared mem" Hasn't cause any immediate probs. All came out strongly similar.
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Message 358323 - Posted: 5 Jul 2006, 23:51:02 UTC
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Pepperammi, Sir Ulli, that's a message you get with the default client, too, so I'd safely ignore it.

It's not an error affecting anything.

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P.S. Ulli, especially for you: http://www.zadra.org/seti_enhanced/index.php?action=post;topic=13.0 - click on this link and it will open a new post in the correct thread. Oh, and your profile is switched to german :o) Hope that helps in finding links.
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Message 358329 - Posted: 6 Jul 2006, 0:03:45 UTC - in response to Message 358323.  

Pepperammi, Sir Ulli, that's a message you get with the default client, too, so I'd safely ignore it.

It's not an error affecting anything.

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P.S. Ulli, especially for you: http://www.zadra.org/seti_enhanced/index.php?action=post;topic=13.0 - click on this link and it will open a new post in the correct thread.


hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

An Error Has Occurred!

best to send me an E-mail

mailto:ulrichbrinkschmidt@teleos-web.de

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Message 358340 - Posted: 6 Jul 2006, 0:32:11 UTC

one of my main Probs

i m in at the best of 10 or 12 Teams also at their Forums but every Team use an other Forum Software and..................

at this time Time a dont know if
Team a or Team b using......


so pe patient...

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Message 358402 - Posted: 6 Jul 2006, 2:31:19 UTC

Preliminary testing is looking good.

All results so far have validated (using rescmp) vs. the default 5.15.

So far, the gains have been variable depending on which CPU architecture exactly is used - there is even quite some variance between Prescotts and Smithfields, for example.

The only clients that did not run or produce valid results were ones optimized for an unsupported instruction set (like an SSE3 binary on an SSE2-capable machine), which is normal.

There will be several versions you can download -

SSE (P3/Athlon XP)
SSE2-generic (Athlon 64/Turion)
SSE2-P4 (P4-only)
SSE2-P-M (Pentium-M, Core Solo/Duo)
SSE3

You should find out what instruction sets your CPU supports by using something like CPU-Z before using any of them.

You could do that now, while you still have to wait :o)

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Message 358411 - Posted: 6 Jul 2006, 2:40:58 UTC - in response to Message 358402.  

Preliminary testing is looking good.

All results so far have validated (using rescmp) vs. the default 5.15.

So far, the gains have been variable depending on which CPU architecture exactly is used - there is even quite some variance between Prescotts and Smithfields, for example.

The only clients that did not run or produce valid results were ones optimized for an unsupported instruction set (like an SSE3 binary on an SSE2-capable machine), which is normal.

There will be several versions you can download -

SSE (P3/Athlon XP)
SSE2-generic (Athlon 64/Turion)
SSE2-P4 (P4-only)
SSE2-P-M (Pentium-M, Core Solo/Duo)
SSE3

You should find out what instruction sets your CPU supports by using something like CPU-Z before using any of them.

You could do that now, while you still have to wait :o)

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Hi Simon. Seti apps compiled for P4/SSE3 are running fine on Core Solo/Duo

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Message 358465 - Posted: 6 Jul 2006, 4:08:04 UTC - in response to Message 358402.  


There will be several versions you can download -

SSE (P3/Athlon XP)
SSE2-generic (Athlon 64/Turion)
SSE2-P4 (P4-only)

Um... Both my Coppermine P3's report by CPU-Z supporting SSE2, and happily ran SETI/Einstein aftermarket aps designated as SSE2, I think.

As Coppermine was one of the most widely sold P3's, perhaps your summary needs a bit of revision?

Trying to be helpful--not sassy. And let me add my thanks for your efforts.

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Message 358560 - Posted: 6 Jul 2006, 7:08:11 UTC

I've so far read this thread with great interest and much respect for anyone trying to build an optimized application for S@h Enhanced!

Since we're all starting to wonder how big the speedup might be, I found this url=http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=83883658]result[/url]. There were 2 AMD Athlon 64 3500+ crunching and Chicken of Angor's app on his 3500+ finished valid in 12.800 seconds. The other 3500+ took 20.070 seconds which would make a speedup of 36% for the Chicken of Angor application! WOW! I don't know if his cpu is still stock, but I assume it is (at least for the test phase of the opt. app).

I'm aware that this is not a general number, but I found another url=http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=83902818]result[/url] where Chicken of Angor's P4 2,66Ghz dualcore outcrunched a normal 2,66Ghz P4 by half the time (12280 vs 24760 seconds). One might argue that this isn't an exact comparison, because of the one core, two core thing, but that was not my intention anyhow. Just some really rough numbers to see where we are. :)

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Message 358582 - Posted: 6 Jul 2006, 8:22:47 UTC
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Hello!

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At first thanks a lot for your time and nice work for S@H ! :-)

A small question:
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Are your apps faster than Cruch3rs?

This asks sounds oneself perhaps somewhat provocatively, is not it however!
(Diese Frage hört sich vielleicht etwas provokativ an, soll es aber nicht!)
(Ich hoffe das ist die richtige Ãœbersetzung ins englische?! :-)

In the beginning of this thread you posted the speeds...

testWU-1 (AR: 0.60488405578199)
testWU-2 (AR: 0.4437317022742)
testWU-4 (AR: 1.2796485198966)


...and it´s like that, that Cruch3rs and your apps have the same speed up...

The versions, that you will release nearly, they are the same or you will have more speed up? :-)

A smaller question at the end... :-)
Can you publish a "app_info.xml" too, for your apps then? :-)


Greetings!

:-)


PS. You will release maybe a MMX Version too for AMD K7 (Athlon, without XP ;-) ...?

PPS. World Soccer Match in Germany 2006, Germany only 3 or 4 place... we will see on Saturday... :-(


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Message 358601 - Posted: 6 Jul 2006, 9:49:07 UTC

It dosn´t matter Dirk.
If Chickens versions are faster than Berkeleys it helps a lot.

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Message 358674 - Posted: 6 Jul 2006, 12:56:36 UTC

I'm not benchmarking vs. Crunch3rs apps any more because in this thread he said it wasn't a valid comparison because his apps were based on old sources.

In any case, my Windows apps have not gotten slower, rather, a few percent quicker using the 9.1/5.1 commercial Intel versions than then 9.0/5.0 I was using before. Not much, just enough to notice.

Dirk, vielleicht ein bisschen provokativ, aber kein Problem...sind genauso schnell oder schneller, je nach System!

Also, yes, I am planning an MMX app, but that will take a little more testing. When I release the clients, the zips will contain an app_info.xml edited for the specific client, so you'll just have to copy it to projects/setiathome.berkeley.edu and restart BOINC (like with the Linux clients).

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Message 358678 - Posted: 6 Jul 2006, 13:05:40 UTC - in response to Message 358582.  
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Hello!
@ KWSN - Chicken of Angnor
At first thanks a lot for your time and nice work for S@H ! :-)
A small question:
(Windows)
Are your apps faster than Cruch3rs?
...and it?s like that, that Cruch3rs and your apps have the same speed up...
The versions, that you will release nearly, they are the same or you will have more speed up? :-)
A smaller question at the end... :-)
Can you publish a "app_info.xml" too, for your apps then? :-)
Greetings!
PS. You will release maybe a MMX Version too for AMD K7 (Athlon, without XP ;-) ...?

If you go to the website http://www.zadra.org/seti_enhanced/ and read about the Linux installation procedures they are VERY similar to the Windows ones. And yes there is an app_info.xml file.
As for the same speed as Crunch3r's apps, that depends on the extensions that Crunch3r used and the ones that Simon uses. There should be very little if any difference when all is said and done. There COULD be some because Crunch3r used some older versions of the original files than Simon is using, I think.
The whole point of the exercise is that Crunch3r was made mad endough that he will not be returning to Seti. AND Simon has stepped up and is using his expertise to provide what people want, a way to crunch faster. That being said if the new versions will not validate the units properly, then the speed up is not worth it. Simon has stated that testing is a VITAL and necessary part and nothing will be released until it passes ALL tests.
Simon has taken on a project that will benefit us, at the expense of his time and abundant energy. He is owed a ton of thanks and support for his efforts! He has ALREADY produced a Linux version and has an ambitious list of OS's he is working on.

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Message 358686 - Posted: 6 Jul 2006, 13:12:42 UTC

Thanks Mikey ;) Now stop making me blush.

I'm trying to make everything as simple as possible for the end-user - therefore, the *released* (currently we're in testing) clients will include instructions, the necessary License and Readme files and an app_info.xml. What's left is just unpacking them in the right place, and that will be put in the instructions.

Please, I don't want to be compared to anyone. I'd like to be myself, thank you ;o) This is not a competition, it's a community project.

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Message 358877 - Posted: 6 Jul 2006, 17:17:33 UTC - in response to Message 358686.  

Thanks Mikey ;) Now stop making me blush.

I'm trying to make everything as simple as possible for the end-user - therefore, the *released* (currently we're in testing) clients will include instructions, the necessary License and Readme files and an app_info.xml. What's left is just unpacking them in the right place, and that will be put in the instructions.

Please, I don't want to be compared to anyone. I'd like to be myself, thank you ;o) This is not a competition, it's a community project.

HTH,
Simon.

I was just being honest!

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Message 359014 - Posted: 6 Jul 2006, 19:53:50 UTC
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*grin*
Again, thanks.

In regards to my Intel licenses (and the processing delay) - it did take ~60 hours for me to get my license instead of 2, but they did state that they send them out during normal business hours.

Suffice it to say, I now have 7 different people trying to help me ;o) Can't fault them for lack of effort (or apologies for the delay). As the licenses did get sent (a total of 3 times, up to now), I'm a happy customer - and yes, they were all identical sets of two license numbers. No July 4th special 3 for 1 ;o)

Testing is running very nicely, so far all results have validated, some people are already running some of their hosts with it on BOINC. Again, all results have validated, some have already gotten credit.

At the rate it's going, I'll most probably release some builds to the public tomorrow. Watch the announcements thread or this one.

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