I was still trying to figure out how to use MKL because of this;

From Intel Site;
"Intel® Math Kernel Library (Intel® MKL) offers highly optimized, thread-safe math routines for science, engineering, and financial applications that require maximum performance."

"New support for FFTW* 2.x Interface
Migrate your fast Fourier transforms from FFTW to Intel MKL without changing source code"

"Outstanding Performance on Intel® Platforms
Intel MKL is highly optimized for Intel® Itanium® 2, Intel® Xeon®, and Intel® Pentium® 4 processor-based systems."

I mistook this to mean it would be faster but you'd know better.
Great to see you again Crunch3r. Be interesting to give your tips a try myself. Somewhat funny seeing how many critical errors a can get this time :)

Great to see you again Crunch3r. Be interesting to give your tips a try myself. Somewhat funny seeing how many critical errors a can get this time :)

It IS nice seeing Crunch3r on the Seti boards again!!! I think we are ALL just beginning to realise how much time and effort he put into the "optimised" apps of his!
I am personally sorry about the way it went down, and think the whole problem could have been solved by Berkeley(Eric) not being on vacation at the time this came down and then the later on/subsequent post of Eric's saying "optimised" apps are okay by Berkeley! If Berkeley had done this earlier on, maybe even from day 1, the whole situation would not be where it is today, IMO!

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Oh yeah,

just saw this among the other hosts on one of my WUs -

Windows optimized S@H Enhanced application by Daniel Schaalma -SETI.USA
Developed for Team SETI.USA(www.setiusa.net) JOIN Team SETI.USA!!!
Special Thanks to Crunch3r, Hans Dorn, TMR, Harold Naparst, and Financier!
Version info: Windows Intel P4 SSE2 V5.15c by Daniel Schaalma -SETI.USA

Work Unit Info:
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WU true angle range is : 0.5692

Flopcounter: 12903131849229.531000

So I guess team Seti.Usa has already gotten their own optimized windows client. kevint, you haven't answered whether you want to release anything to the public. Judging by what I'm seeing, it doesn't look likely.

Also, if someone's already testing this, why do it as "anonymous"? Seems a bit fishy to me - also, why test it online? Grab a few reference WUs and do it offline, where problems don't affect the project as a whole.

All in all, I'm moderately surprised you a) didn't announce anything b) are doing it in this sort-of furtive way (forgive my choice of words, but that's what it seems like to me). Oh, and thanks for deciding for me whether I wanted to include a team ad into my clients...you managed to put it once on each line on average.

Anyway, props to Daniel for getting his build to work :o)

Regards,
Simon.

Kick all Seti.USA from the BOINC apps ...as they dont share :/

All optimised apps should be available to all crunchers ...otherwise ...those that hold back apps from the rest of us ...have no place here ...

We are supposed to be one big happy family are we not ... ?



Remember the old Sci Fi TV that shows ET arriving ...only to be greeted with a barrage of weapons >


Sounds familiar ?


Seti.USA ...


release that optimised proggy to all ...you know it is better than hiding stuff like GWB does...

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Kick all Seti.USA from the BOINC apps ...as they dont share :/

All optimised apps should be available to all crunchers ...otherwise ...those that hold back apps from the rest of us ...have no place here ...

We are supposed to be one big happy family are we not ... ?

Remember the old Sci Fi TV that shows ET arriving ...only to be greeted with a barrage of weapons >

Sounds familiar ?

Seti.USA ...

release that optimised proggy to all ...you know it is better than hiding stuff like GWB does...

Only thing i'd say its a bit Anti-competetive isn't it? Its well know that optimized apps can increase the credit (i dont mean because someone programed it that way but because more wus can be done in same amount of time).

Teams use to have to rely on attracting new team members and new more powerfull machine running for even longer to get that bit more credit than their rivals.
Now it seems have to rely on getting programmers on their side and having a battle of the optimized apps too.

I'm not a credit junkie but I can see how that is a bit unfair. Only that team can have the opti app and HAHA to the other teams. Its like two F1 car teams in a race but one's got NO2- theres no competition there.

Admittedly if a few teams did start competing on the optimized app front it would boost the optiapps performance but they probly wouldn't release it for everyone. I can kind of understand the what happend to crunch3r reason too.

Of course its upto the people who provided the tools and the person(s) who created the app what they want to do with it but you can see my point too.
Think seti.USA suits well

P.S. @ KWSN
Is there a way to modify your benchmark script (brilliant bit'o'kit) to run the same unit twice at the same time? For the HT threading stuff I was babbling on about? thought the only really way to test it would be to put under boinc running conditions. Easyest way would be put into boinc after testing the app but then its difficult to be sure becasue of the WU's bieng wildly different at times.
Thanks for your added help by the way :) The How-To itself is brilliant but picking your brain too ;) Well you didn't have to answer all the often silly questions i had so thank you for that too

In that regard,

I stated before that I did not want to put any advertising or donation links on my site for the work I've done to be able to keep offering the Linux clients for free.

Now, to my (admittedly limited) understanding of the legal situation, when I read the license, it specifically states that it applies to the materials and programs created using these materials - hence, the Linux Intel products I used to create Linux optimized apps require me not get any sort of compensation for their creation and usage.

Now, the only platform they offer these non-commercial versions for is Linux, currently. So the real problem only exists in the Windows world - here, Intel licenses are not free, neither is Visual Studio (although you could use other IDEs). So, the only part requiring any sort of monetary involvement is and will stay Windows (and maybe OS X on X86, in the future).

Therefore, again to my limited understanding, I think it would be legal to accept donations geared towards getting a license for ICC and IPP on WINDOWS ONLY. As long as this is a given, it should be okay from a legal standpoint. Anyone who knows better, please educate me. I have so far held off on anything in this regard as I'd really like to be 100% sure this is okay.

What changed my mind for me is the fact that someone asked me whether I would accept a donation towards a compiler license for Windows. Given recent events, SargeD's explanation notwithstanding, I believe there would be enough people that feel everyone should have access to an optimized application for Windows.

So - that person motivated me to match his donation. I cannot personally afford to pay all the licenses myself currently - my budget is stretched as it is. However, I can state with satisfaction that totalling his and my donation, we are already more than half the way there!

The prices I looked up on the Intel site state that the ICC package is 399 USD, IPP is another 199 dollars. This adds up to 598 dollars.

We are already at 350 Euros. This translates to 447 USD at current exchange rates.

Do you think there are enough interested people to raise the 151 missing bucks? Personally, I think so.

I have not registered a donation button or asked for any donations yet, and as said, I'd like to be sure it's okay before I do so. I plan to send any excess funds over the required amount to Seti@Home.

Currently, I'm trying to find out if there's any way to register a separate PayPal account for this purpose and have some sort of publicly accessible means of checking the balance. Anyone know? The only way I've seen so far is that you can give multiple users access to an account and can specify what they may do (like just view balance, which would be what's interesting here).

I really don't want to get rich doing this, hey :o)

Comments please!
Simon.

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ACTUALLY, I believe Crunch3r's copy was donated by another Seti user.
It has been awhile, but I do remember this from A LONG TIME AGO now, a user had a copy and was not using it.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=23410#199350

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=23410#199350

I've edited the files online so the file names are now correct. Any new downloads should be okay.

Hi Simon, finally got around to testing the SSE version, but the UPX'd one crashes on my 2500+ Athlon XP (mobile Barton) running Mandrake 2005LE. Am about to test the un-UPX'd one, just thought I'd drop an FYI.

Thanks for putting them out there!

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Kung Fu and Powerlifting

Thanks for the feedback.

I'm playing around with some hints Crunch3r talked about a few posts previously. If I finally manage to compile a real static executable, there should be no more need for UPX and the executable should be much smaller.

Until that's so, I'm going to keep offering both versions. Some people have told me that the UPX-compressed versions show up just as "4" as process name instead of their real file name while the uncompressed versions do not. I guess UPX does have some issues there, which is why I'm looking for a way to make compression unnecessary.

I've tested the binary on the exact same CPU (mobile AthlonXP 2500+ Barton) and it worked fine for me (Debian Sarge). So I hope the uncompressed version will work for you :o)

Regards,
Simon.

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ACTUALLY, I believe Crunch3r's copy was donated by another Seti user.
It has been awhile, but I do remember this from A LONG TIME AGO now, a user had a copy and was not using it.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=23410#199350
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=23410#199350

WOW, do you bookmark those things or what? That search must have taken awhile otherwise!!! Good job!

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Kick all Seti.USA from the BOINC apps ...as they dont share :/
All optimised apps should be available to all crunchers ...otherwise ...those that hold back apps from the rest of us ...have no place here ...
We are supposed to be one big happy family are we not ... ?
Remember the old Sci Fi TV that shows ET arriving ...only to be greeted with a barrage of weapons >
Sounds familiar ?
Seti.USA ...
release that optimised proggy to all

You know we could just join their 'clique', get the optimised version and then quit and release it to everyone! What are they gonna do, call Berkeley? NO I AM NOT suggesting anyone do this...but I do agree, if SetiUSA wants money to cover their overhead, they should stand up and ask for it, like a Team that actually cares about the SCIENCE, not one that only cares about credits!!!
I sincerely hope Eric, Rom and David, etc, are reading this thread!
Schoolyard actions are NOT for reputable Teams!

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BOOYA!
It took just 3 people.

The license cost for Windows ICC and IPP is completely covered. All this without asking for any donation. It's good people can still surprise me! Expect release versions as soon as I can manage to get a licensed copy.

Can I just say you guys and gals are amazing?
You left me speechless.

Humble thanks and hats off to you!
Simon.

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This is a quote directly from the GPL, which is right on point.

"The GPL does not require you to release your modified version. You are free to make modifications and use them privately, without ever releasing them. This applies to organizations (including companies), too; an organization can make a modified version and use it internally without ever releasing it outside the organization. But if you release the modified version to the public in some way, the GPL requires you to make the modified source code available to the program's users, under the GPL.

Thus, the GPL gives permission to release the modified program in certain ways, and not in other ways; but the decision of whether to release it is up to you."

Regards, Daniel.

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That is awesome about the donations.

The process shows up as "3" for me, but only if I run it as 'root'. If I run it as 'nobody' it terminates immediately. This is part of something to do with UPX.

I'm getting all my sse boxes up by hand un-upx-ing them, and we'll see soon how quick they are. :)

Thanks for your efforts.

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This is a quote directly from the GPL, which is right on point.

"The GPL does not require you to release your modified version. You are free to make modifications and use them privately, without ever releasing them. This applies to organizations (including companies), too; an organization can make a modified version and use it internally without ever releasing it outside the organization. But if you release the modified version to the public in some way, the GPL requires you to make the modified source code available to the program's users, under the GPL.

Thus, the GPL gives permission to release the modified program in certain ways, and not in other ways; but the decision of whether to release it is up to you."

Regards, Daniel.

Learn something new every day :)
Still, this will be largely an academic issue in a few days, as everyone will have access to optimized Windows builds again.

Regards,
Simon.

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So I hope the uncompressed version will work for you :o)

Yep, works great - and looks to be quicker than I had hoped! Kudos

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BOOYA!
It took just 3 people.

The license cost for Windows ICC and IPP is completely covered. All this without asking for any donation. It's good people can still surprise me! Expect release versions as soon as I can manage to get a licensed copy.

Can I just say you guys and gals are amazing?
You left me speechless.

Humble thanks and hats off to you!
Simon.

Simon........I am ready with my check book or whatever if you need more for just in case things. I believe you have my email allready!

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Boinc....Boinc....Boinc....Boinc....

Thank you, Geek@Play.
Right now, that's not necessary, but I'll keep you in mind :)

Unless my hosting provider pipes up about excess bandwidth usage (unlikely), no big cost generators should come up.
However, it's my plan to extend the supported platforms to FreeBSD (like Tetsuji suggested) and X86 OS X. Towards this end (I'll have to see what's what first), there might be added cost. If so, I'll pipe up.

Until then, any donations received I will pass on to Seti@Home.

I'm not trying to dissuade anyone from contributing now :o)

Regards,
Simon.

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This is a quote directly from the GPL, which is right on point.

"The GPL does not require you to release your modified version. You are free to make modifications and use them privately, without ever releasing them. This applies to organizations (including companies), too; an organization can make a modified version and use it internally without ever releasing it outside the organization. But if you release the modified version to the public in some way, the GPL requires you to make the modified source code available to the program's users, under the GPL.

Thus, the GPL gives permission to release the modified program in certain ways, and not in other ways; but the decision of whether to release it is up to you."

Regards, Daniel.

Learn something new every day :)
Still, this will be largely an academic issue in a few days, as everyone will have access to optimized Windows builds again.

Regards,
Simon.

Congrats on your accomplishments, Simon! I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors!!!

Regards, Daniel.

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Thank you Daniel :)
I wish you the same.

I forgot to name the second, non-anonymous sponsor of the licenses: Pam Heinze. Pam, you rock. So do you, Mr A. Nonymous - and thanks for all the helpful hints and words.

The third sponsor is me. As posted elsewhere, I pledged 200 Euros towards this purpose (~250 USD).

Regards,
Simon.

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P.S. @ KWSN
Is there a way to modify your benchmark script (brilliant bit'o'kit) to run the same unit twice at the same time? For the HT threading stuff I was babbling on about? thought the only really way to test it would be to put under boinc running conditions. Easyest way would be put into boinc after testing the app but then its difficult to be sure becasue of the WU's bieng wildly different at times.
Thanks for your added help by the way :) The How-To itself is brilliant but picking your brain too ;) Well you didn't have to answer all the often silly questions i had so thank you for that too

Again, you're welcome. Someone else on this forum said (I think it was Pappa) "the only stupid question is the one you carry away with you unasked". I thoroughly agree with him (as long as it's asked in a civil sort of way).

And that benchmark script is just a very simple bit of bash magic. I'm pretty sure it should be trivial to run both at the same time; I'll have to see if I can whip one up.
On Linux, anyway.

The one for Windows is even more basic - I'd like to have a better tool. I'm thinking about coding a very small app just for this purpose, maybe a .wsh or .vbs script or a compiled VisualBasic executable that automates testing and gives people things to click ;) Not very tough, and you can use the built-in timers to measure stuff.

Right now I'm waiting til my brother gets up, then I'm going to borrow his CC to order the Intel tools for Windows (I don't have one). Making a better test and validation package is on my to-do list, but as that's pretty full at the moment, it may take a few days.

Regards,
Simon.

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