Simon

I wish you Luck! If you want a reference they you can give them my lowly al.setiboinc (at) Gmail.com addresss. I will be happy to add references and explain what is happening and how they "could" gain inroads into a "Sun Shop"...

From reading various BOINc Developers Froums, there are inroads into detecting the type of CPU to allow delivoring the correct Application according to the CPU type...

So Progress can be made, IF a Few people Try!

Oi, 649 posts...

And about the donation and related questions...er...no idea, don't really want to comment, nothing good could come of it.

I had a different idea, which is to write to Intel directly (marketing or one the CEO's office) about supporting Seti@Home and giving a license to the project for the express purpose of offering optimized clients for everyone.

Not sure how that will go, I haven't written and sent that letter (yes, snail mail) yet, but I will.

If Intel doesn't want to do that, then I'd try a donation drive towards the same goal - not giving this licence to any one person but to the project.

I really don't believe, even though I spent lots of time doing what needed doing, that I am entitled to any recompensation. Sure, it would be nice, but noone asked me to, right?

I can only hope Intel notices my letter and is interested :o)
After all, there are a lot of us crunchers, and we all need hardware to crunch with...and the project could always use some more server hardware, too, but that's a different thing entirely (and I will not ask them for it in my letter...alluding to it maybe).

Regards,
Simon.

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I think the gist of it is not so much the stable versions don't pass muster, but rather they aren't certified for use under the study protocol.
Alinator

I don't know if this argument holds water. IMO their validator should take care of this.

There are other sources for erroneous results:

- faulty hardware
- errors in the official apps

Regards Hans

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Well,

the whole problem for Akosf and with the Einstein apps is that they're closed source and he had only compiled code to optimize using manual assembly tuning.

The Seti@Home and BOINC clients are both GPL, the Einstein ones aren't. So I'm really not surprised (but sad for Akosf) that they decided to disallow (some of?) his apps.

And yeah, if you distribute a program, you should have a license for it...RTPatch isn't open source or free - but that's never stopped anyone from distributing it, heh...if you have a license, you're allowed to, as well - no idea whether he had one or not. There are free alternatives that are easy to use (even GUI-based).

So anyway, I've always just crunched for Seti, and that won't change anytime soon. No disrespect to other projects, but I'm staying right here :o)

Regards,
Simon.

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Brian

A portion went into the S5 Application, now he is looking at what is happening and going to work... So If you look and read there are many people working on it... For Seti that work is happening in Seti Beta...

A litlle OT, but Akos had to pull his latest patches because of validation issues.

Perhaps I just didn't sit down and really read what to do with the Einstein stuff, but it just seemed to be more complex than the "Average" user would be able to install. All the patching of .DAT files and whatnot... It shouldn't have been so public...and if patching of files was required then someone should've got an RTPatch license...IMHO.

I didn't bother with an optimized S5. Short run times for me were about 45 minutes with the long ones running at about 7.00 to 7.25 hours..on the stock app.

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A litlle OT, but Akos had to pull his latest patches because of validation issues.
A discussion about running optimized or not has started in this thread.

Some people are leaving Einstein already.

Regards Hans

A combination of issues. In the testing, some patches indeed produced invalid results and this was "live testing" so those WUs were being uploaded and failing validation.
Biggest issue appears to be that Einstein proj. mgt. only recognizes "official aps" as sanctioned for doing actual science. Unlike S@H, Einstein tightly controls modifications to the applications. Akos's previous S4 opt. aps were released as Official "Betas" after approval of project Mgt. HIs last validating patch, S5T0712 was @ 35% faster than the std application. It would seem there wasn't unanimous approval of his efforts w/ the project and he was requested to tell everyone that "the party was over"....rather abruptly w/o any warning. Needless to say, folks while certainly appreciative and supportive of Akos, are pretty peeved at E@H project Mgt. They're still adjusting to very same things we all went through with migration to Enhanced in May ie. dramatically increased crunching time and credit methodology changes. Many of the comments and discussions on their board right now will look quite familiar to S@H forum participants.

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Hans

Sorry, You forgot one...

Thier Validator with the new Appilication could also be an issue... In Alpha/Beta it is a Bug! After Release it is an "un-documented feature."

I think the gist of it is not so much the stable versions don't pass muster, but rather they aren't certified for use under the study protocol.
Alinator

I don't know if this argument holds water. IMO their validator should take care of this.

There are other sources for erroneous results:

- faulty hardware
- errors in the official apps

Regards Hans

Regards

Pappa

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Hans, I believe that too.
Which is why I'm taking the time to try and do that right, or they'll just ignore me.

Regards,
Simon.

While you're at it, could you mention that I want a couple of woodcrests NOW :o)

Regards Hans

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Simon

I wish you Luck! If you want a reference they you can give them my lowly al.setiboinc (at) Gmail.com addresss. I will be happy to add references and explain what is happening and how they "could" gain inroads into a "Sun Shop"...

From reading various BOINc Developers Froums, there are inroads into detecting the type of CPU to allow delivoring the correct Application according to the CPU type...

So Progress can be made, IF a Few people Try!

Exactly! So that's why I'm trying to spearhead a friendly effort at getting us all to enjoy the potential benefits.

I would be glad if I can include you in my references, thanks for offering. I really don't know what to do first right now, good thing I still have time off from work (anyone looking for a good NT/Linux/Slowaris/BSD sysadmin / web developer / multi-os wizard? *grin*).

Seriously though, I'm really trying hard to make everything I do as transparent as possible to avoid any possible drama.

So far, it's going well :o)

Regards,
Simon.

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Hans, I believe that too.
Which is why I'm taking the time to try and do that right, or they'll just ignore me.

Regards,
Simon.

While you're at it, could you mention that I want a couple of woodcrests NOW :o)

Regards Hans

Lol.

Yes, yes. A couple of Woodcrests to do the heavy lifting, and a couple of Core 2 Duo X6800s to play with. Er, there goes my mind :o)

Wouldn't we just love that.

Regards,
Simon.

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HI simon

Hi Pappa

Hi Hans

Pappa: Like I said, I believe he paid for them :o) Enough drama.

and Hans, I believe that too.
Which is why I'm taking the time to try and do that right, or they'll just ignore me.

Regards,
Simon.

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To be honest i think the windows version will be faster.

But you're talking about your new client, which you won't release,right?

Actually I don't want to buy ipp for $199 and icc for $399.

Crunch3r,

I have a fully licensed copy of MS Visual C++ 2003, but my trial versions of IPP, ICC and the Intel Math Kernel Library just expired as well. I haven't purchased them because I am so new to it, that I couldn't get it to compile without a buttload of error messages and warnings in the compiler output. If you would be willing to release your source code to me, I would be willing to buy a fully licensed copy of ICC & IPP, compile it with your instructions, and send it back to you to release to the public. You and your other source code contributors can take FULL credit for the clients, and I would get to learn a few things in the process. If you would be interested in this arrangement, let me know. If all I would need is the ICC and IPP, I should be able to swing the cost in about 2 weeks. If I would also need the Math Kernel Library, then it will take about 3 or 4 weeks to get the funds.

Regards, Daniel.

That Sounds good to me.

the above was copied from here .............. Posted .. on ... 30 Nov 2005 13:37:48 UTC

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=23410#199350


Regards
Byron

Thanks a lot for the links!

Lots of useful info. Huge threads, too :o) It'll take me a while to skim over them ...

Regards,
Simon.

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then, compile a faster linux client using ipp instead of fftw

then, Will you make optimized Windows client if I give the source?,

then, "Legal' optimized client for Windows,

then, Oh heck, just search TMR's post from 383 days ago and sooner, I'll stop the list here, but it continues for a while.

tony

NOTE: these were posted in chronological order of posting

Tony

Thank You!

then, compile a faster linux client using ipp instead of fftw

then, Will you make optimized Windows client if I give the source?,

then, "Legal' optimized client for Windows,

then, Oh heck, just search TMR's post from 383 days ago and sooner, I'll stop the list here, but it continues for a while.

tony

NOTE: these were posted in chronological order of posting

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Thank You!

HI simon

Hi Pappa

Hi Hans

Pappa: Like I said, I believe he paid for them :o) Enough drama.

and Hans, I believe that too.
Which is why I'm taking the time to try and do that right, or they'll just ignore me.

Regards,
Simon.

Some old history from ..... 30 Nov 2005 ... 13:37:48 UTC ...

To be honest i think the windows version will be faster.

But you're talking about your new client, which you won't release,right?

Actually I don't want to buy ipp for $199 and icc for $399.

Crunch3r,

I have a fully licensed copy of MS Visual C++ 2003, but my trial versions of IPP, ICC and the Intel Math Kernel Library just expired as well. I haven't purchased them because I am so new to it, that I couldn't get it to compile without a buttload of error messages and warnings in the compiler output. If you would be willing to release your source code to me, I would be willing to buy a fully licensed copy of ICC & IPP, compile it with your instructions, and send it back to you to release to the public. You and your other source code contributors can take FULL credit for the clients, and I would get to learn a few things in the process. If you would be interested in this arrangement, let me know. If all I would need is the ICC and IPP, I should be able to swing the cost in about 2 weeks. If I would also need the Math Kernel Library, then it will take about 3 or 4 weeks to get the funds.

Regards, Daniel.

That Sounds good to me.

the above was copied from here .............. Posted .. on ... 30 Nov 2005 13:37:48 UTC

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=23410#199350


Regards
Byron

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I don't know if this argument holds water. IMO their validator should take care of this.

There are other sources for erroneous results:

- faulty hardware
- errors in the official apps

Regards Hans

Very true, but then there is the case where 2 "faulty" test versions get teamed up, or a single FTV gets selected as the canonical. Since they went to an IR of 2, there's a pretty good chance that could happen.

I think they just want to limit the number of variables present when they post process the MSD at the end of the S5 run.

Alinator

Very true, but then there is the case where 2 "faulty" test versions get teamed up, or a single FTV gets selected as the canonical. Since they went to an IR of 2, there's a pretty good chance that could happen.

I think they just want to limit the number of variables present when they post process the MSD at the end of the S5 run.

Alinator

Yep. With an IR of 2 the chances are pretty high that bad results get validated.
It's a pity that there's no offline validator for Einstein.

Regards Hans

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