Quote Francesco:

...I don't like censorship so I suggest you to create a forum named "basket of the trash" and to move there every post that does not follow the forum's rules. So the original thread is clear but the moderator action is transparent. In order to do so you need a "move thread" and a "cut and move tree" funcion...

That's a pretty cool idea Francesco. Create a 'trash bin' for inappropriate threads to be moved to. Folks would have to purposely choose to go read them, thus keeping them out of general view. However, since the SETI forums are open to persons of all ages (perhaps your political forum has an age restriction), then the posts would still have to be moderated/censored for language unless a warning were put in place before entering that particular area.

Nice idea, but I'm not sure it is implementable in this type of setting.

Dig

Well put, Daniel. Thanks you. I hope things will cool down now. This is the first thread I've read today, so I don't know the overall state of things as yet.

Eric

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..... However, since the SETI forums are open to persons of all ages (perhaps your political forum has an age restriction), then the posts would still have to be moderated/censored for language unless a warning were put in place before entering that particular area.

Nice idea, but I'm not sure it is implementable in this type of setting.

Dig

Moderation for "languages" can be easly done with XXXXXXX on some words, if it is a penal offense.

Bye,
Francesco

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I am not meaning to open up any disagreements here so this question is to Eric only.

Eric,

Why go to the low end on credits and then incrementally raise them as needed to gain parity with other projects? Would it not have been less controversial to have initially stayed as it was and then incrementally reduce them little by little? You might wish to keep that in mind for future reference since it is human nature to abhor drastic change.

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I'm back from the mountain and still a bit off my schedule, so I'll probably be scarce the next day or two. I don't know how shift workers do it... (Well, when I was younger I could go weeks on 2 hours a day sleep and days without any. Given your prior career, I'm fairly sure you're familiar with such things for entirely different reasons.)

Why go to the low end on credits and then incrementally raise them as needed to gain parity with other projects? Would it not have been less controversial to have initially stayed as it was and then incrementally reduce them little by little? You might wish to keep that in mind for future reference since it is human nature to abhor drastic change.

Well, given the result of the beta, I was fairly sure that I had chosen a number smack in the middle, and I did get fairly close. But the nature of the beast is such even if I had hit the magic value, people with fast machine would still have seen a significant drop in claimed credit even if their granted credit didn't change and I think that's what propted the initial reaction. I did underestimate how severe the response whould be.

In hindsight, it probably would have been better to guess a factor 50% high and then drop by 10% in sucessive releases. Either that or have the credit factor be part of the workunit header so it can be changed on the fly.

Eric

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I think it would have been *much* uglier if credits were high then cut. As a general rule people will be unhappy with low wages, but will rarely complain about a raise regardless of size. Now to have ones wage cut, not a pretty sight. I think you made the right choice.

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I think it would have been *much* uglier if credits were high then cut. As a general rule people will be unhappy with low wages, but will rarely complain about a raise regardless of size. Now to have ones wage cut, not a pretty sight. I think you made the right choice.

Robert, even though the question was for Eric only I appreciate your input because you make my point for me. A large cut is defintely not a pretty sight and that was exactly what happened here. Had Eric brought it down gradually it would have met with much less resistance.

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... people with fast machine would still have seen a significant drop in claimed credit even if their granted credit didn't change ...

On my two fastest computers my credits per hour dropped from approximately 70 to 26. I do see a significant drop in the granted credits.

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