I exchanged emails with crunch3r yesterday and he said he was no longer interested in s@h and no longer wanted to hear or read about s@h....

It's sad...another one bites the dust.

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This unbelivable debate is about to reach a point beyond my comprehension.

mmciastro has stated a point veiw regarding a questionable ESAH client. That is his choice and well within the limits of freedom of speech.
Freedom of speech, as it is, does not prevent any to make mistakes.
This doesnt mean that i agree with mmciastro because i dont. Infact i think he spilled his gutts and devaluated his integrety and trustvorthtness in this community, by picking on crunch3r on an obsrevation of a few results returned by a few of crunch3rs hosts - without establishing a dialoge with crunch3r before stating the topic in public - that is not serious research - and therefore i cannot take the statement seriously.

The dedikation and effort crunch3r, trux, tetsuo maverik rai and others have put into SAH and ESAH throughout time has been and will most likely be beneficial to SAH in many aspects - a matter of utilizing the vast access of computerpower, and not spill it all over by making an avarege coded client that obviously doesnt utilize processor specifik instructions very well. I couldnt care less about credits, except of braggin to my freinds of course, but if the network is able to compute the work in less time, the project has gained proportionally.

To mmciastro:
Please go elswhere and display your statements - you will most likely not be taken seriously again, but you might make a "good" politician.

To crunch3r:
Dont be snobby and please join us again - we appreciate your work.

To SAH:
You guys didnt handle this case very well.

To strikers:
I am not joining you guys because there is a limit to how numb a situaton can get - strikes are an powerfull tool dont ever forget that. But i have turned to other projects such as LHC, EAH, Rosetta and upcoming Feynman, until faster clients are developed.

To MattDavis:
What the F¤%@ is wrong with you??

Have a nice day!
Fred

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To MattDavis:
What the F¤%@ is wrong with you??

Tee hee

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This unbelivable debate is about to reach a point beyond my comprehension.

mmciastro has stated a point veiw regarding a questionable ESAH client. That is his choice and well within the limits of freedom of speech.
Freedom of speech, as it is, does not prevent any to make mistakes.
This doesnt mean that i agree with mmciastro because i dont. Infact i think he spilled his gutts and devaluated his integrety and trustvorthtness in this community, by picking on crunch3r on an obsrevation of a few results returned by a few of crunch3rs hosts - without establishing a dialoge with crunch3r before stating the topic in public - that is not serious research - and therefore i cannot take the statement seriously.

The dedikation and effort crunch3r, trux, tetsuo maverik rai and others have put into SAH and ESAH throughout time has been and will most likely be beneficial to SAH in many aspects - a matter of utilizing the vast access of computerpower, and not spill it all over by making an avarege coded client that obviously doesnt utilize processor specifik instructions very well. I couldnt care less about credits, except of braggin to my freinds of course, but if the network is able to compute the work in less time, the project has gained proportionally.

To mmciastro:
Please go elswhere and display your statements - you will most likely not be taken seriously again, but you might make a "good" politician.

To crunch3r:
Dont be snobby and please join us again - we appreciate your work.

To SAH:
You guys didnt handle this case very well.

To strikers:
I am not joining you guys because there is a limit to how numb a situaton can get - strikes are an powerfull tool dont ever forget that. But i have turned to other projects such as LHC, EAH, Rosetta and upcoming Feynman, until faster clients are developed.

To MattDavis:
What the F¤%@ is wrong with you??

Have a nice day!
Fred

Brilliant first post!

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This unbelivable debate is about to reach a point beyond my comprehension.

mmciastro has stated a point veiw regarding a questionable ESAH client. That is his choice and well within the limits of freedom of speech.
Freedom of speech, as it is, does not prevent any to make mistakes.
This doesnt mean that i agree with mmciastro because i dont. Infact i think he spilled his gutts and devaluated his integrety and trustvorthtness in this community, by picking on crunch3r on an obsrevation of a few results returned by a few of crunch3rs hosts - without establishing a dialoge with crunch3r before stating the topic in public - that is not serious research - and therefore i cannot take the statement seriously.

The dedikation and effort crunch3r, trux, tetsuo maverik rai and others have put into SAH and ESAH throughout time has been and will most likely be beneficial to SAH in many aspects - a matter of utilizing the vast access of computerpower, and not spill it all over by making an avarege coded client that obviously doesnt utilize processor specifik instructions very well. I couldnt care less about credits, except of braggin to my freinds of course, but if the network is able to compute the work in less time, the project has gained proportionally.

To mmciastro:
Please go elswhere and display your statements - you will most likely not be taken seriously again, but you might make a "good" politician.

To crunch3r:
Dont be snobby and please join us again - we appreciate your work.

To SAH:
You guys didnt handle this case very well.

To strikers:
I am not joining you guys because there is a limit to how numb a situaton can get - strikes are an powerfull tool dont ever forget that. But i have turned to other projects such as LHC, EAH, Rosetta and upcoming Feynman, until faster clients are developed.

To MattDavis:
What the F¤%@ is wrong with you??

Have a nice day!
Fred

Applaud, clap clap, cheer, applaud.

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@JavaPersona: Spot on!

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This unbelivable debate is about to reach a point beyond my comprehension.

mmciastro has stated a point veiw regarding a questionable ESAH client. That is his choice and well within the limits of freedom of speech.
Freedom of speech, as it is, does not prevent any to make mistakes.
This doesnt mean that i agree with mmciastro because i dont. Infact i think he spilled his gutts and devaluated his integrety and trustvorthtness in this community, by picking on crunch3r on an obsrevation of a few results returned by a few of crunch3rs hosts - without establishing a dialoge with crunch3r before stating the topic in public - that is not serious research - and therefore i cannot take the statement seriously.

The dedikation and effort crunch3r, trux, tetsuo maverik rai and others have put into SAH and ESAH throughout time has been and will most likely be beneficial to SAH in many aspects - a matter of utilizing the vast access of computerpower, and not spill it all over by making an avarege coded client that obviously doesnt utilize processor specifik instructions very well. I couldnt care less about credits, except of braggin to my freinds of course, but if the network is able to compute the work in less time, the project has gained proportionally.

To mmciastro:
Please go elswhere and display your statements - you will most likely not be taken seriously again, but you might make a "good" politician.

To crunch3r:
Dont be snobby and please join us again - we appreciate your work.

To SAH:
You guys didnt handle this case very well.

To strikers:
I am not joining you guys because there is a limit to how numb a situaton can get - strikes are an powerfull tool dont ever forget that. But i have turned to other projects such as LHC, EAH, Rosetta and upcoming Feynman, until faster clients are developed.

To MattDavis:
What the F¤%@ is wrong with you??

Have a nice day!
Fred

Have to agree can't be said any better!

I'd like to add a new perspective to the discussion about distributing over-claiming seti applications:

V 5.11 right from the source..

I guess someone needs to pull this version, too.


Regards Hans

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I'd like to add a new perspective to the discussion about distributing over-claiming seti applications:

V 5.11 right from the source..

I guess someone needs to pull this version, too.


Regards Hans

Are beta binaries open to everyone? I would have thought not. Are people using them for production work? Hmmm sounds like if they are being distributed by the project no caveats then then they must be OK to use?

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I'd like to add a new perspective to the discussion about distributing over-claiming seti applications:

V 5.11 right from the source..

I guess someone needs to pull this version, too.


Regards Hans

Agreed.... Are all the naysayers now going to trash Berkeley the way Crunch3r was because Berkeley is distributing a 'banned' application....???

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I exchanged emails with crunch3r yesterday and he said he was no longer interested in s@h and no longer wanted to hear or read about s@h....

Same here, my last post!
P@H seems to get better credits for me, and some CPDN, LHC.
Credits done by seti, is 481764.

Cya2 in other projects!!

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I'd like to add a new perspective to the discussion about distributing over-claiming seti applications:

V 5.11 right from the source..

I guess someone needs to pull this version, too.


Regards Hans

Agreed.... Are all the naysayers now going to trash Berkeley the way Crunch3r was because Berkeley is distributing a 'banned' application....???

Well yes they might indeed. Had not thought of that. I too think it should be pulled without delay to avoid any confusion or cause anyone using it to have the same fate as Crunch3r albeit it is there for free distribution from the offical site.

But interestingly it perhaps proves beyond all doubt that Crunch3r was innocent and anyone that questioned that position should tender their apologies to him for causing so much disharmony, unhappiness, stress to him and it all being both a useless and unwelcome distraction form the work at hand for the rest of us.

Terrible handling on this whole episode straight terrible.

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It is over

Are there any site providing optimized clients?
in a message from Crunch3r he has deleted the source code and asked that everyone remove it from their computers.

There is no need for a Strike, there were no winners. There is a need to get the credit system fixed...

So it time to go back to Work, Crunch Or Stop it is Your Choice please just do it quietly...

Pappa

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There is now an English version of the blog entry I've mentioned before on some sociologically (and otherwise) interesting points about the strike, thanks to Dr. Christoph Jansen.
You'll find it at http://fischer.uni-hd.de/efcblog/special/seti_strike.htm. Have a look ...

There is now an English version of the blog entry I've mentioned before on some sociologically (and otherwise) interesting points about the strike, thanks to Dr. Christoph Jansen.
You'll find it at http://fischer.uni-hd.de/efcblog/special/seti_strike.htm. Have a look ...

Great read I must say.

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There is now an English version of the blog entry I've mentioned before on some sociologically (and otherwise) interesting points about the strike, thanks to Dr. Christoph Jansen.
You'll find it at http://fischer.uni-hd.de/efcblog/special/seti_strike.htm. Have a look ...

Great read I must say.

Yea... If you're in to one sided biased commentaries maybe....

This is a piece that does not even begin to consider the motivations of why people crunch for reasons OTHER then pure science, and actually insults the others who do not crunch purely for science by equating their reasons for involvement with "Dick Length"....WTF kind of unbiased crap journalism is that...? Yea it's his opinion but it could have been less abrasive and more objective and still would have gotten his point across.

http://fischer.uni-hd.de/efcblog/special/seti_strike.htm

SETI credits do not mean anything in the "real world": they are insubstantial, you cannot eat them and you cannot buy anything with them at all. They are just abstract numbers (and defined in a pretty complicated way). This does not keep a certain species of technology lovers and overclockers from gathering whole computer farms for the sole purpose of crunching for SETI (and other distributed computing projects based on Berkeley's open BOINC platform), to keep up in the electronic dick length comparison. If you follow the respective fora, you cannot quite help but feel that for some people hunting for credits means a vital purpose in their lives. The science done using their calculations has become practically irrelevant.

I'd like to add a new perspective to the discussion about distributing over-claiming seti applications:

V 5.11 right from the source..

I guess someone needs to pull this version, too.


Regards Hans

That build is for the BETA project not main. Notice BETA in the URL. Also every BETA build from 4.00 to 5.15 is in that directory as well. 5.11 was not ment to be run on the main project.

B E T A

Why try and stoke the flames with this?

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This is a piece that does not even begin to consider the motivations of why people crunch for reasons OTHER then pure science, and actually insults the others who do not crunch purely for science by equating their reasons for involvement with "Dick Length"....

Well, it says also:

It sure is fun to watch one's own credit accumulate and to overtake others in the overall ranking; the competitive element drives the users' commitment.

I know that because I feel that way, too. I'm still sad that I've never even got my 1000 WU badge at SETI Classic, but at the same time I'm totally aware that it doesn't mean anything really.

As for d*** length: It does seem to be a male thing in the first place, doesn't it? What's your gender?

There is now an English version of the blog entry I've mentioned before on some sociologically (and otherwise) interesting points about the strike, thanks to Dr. Christoph Jansen.
You'll find it at http://fischer.uni-hd.de/efcblog/special/seti_strike.htm. Have a look ...

It's strange that there is no mention of all the "science" that is done by all the credit freaks; the amount is quite substantcial and has benefited the project tremendously.

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It's strange that there is no mention of all the "science" that is done by all the credit freaks; the amount is quite substantcial and has benefited the project tremendously.

It sure has. Thus:

It was already then that the idea of a strike was coined to emphasize the demand for more valuable credits: the volunteers achieving the most for the project (and who suffered from the new credit system more than the average user) must not be the ones punished; the project team would have to yield to the demands of their participants they were after all depending on!