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Enigma Send message Joined: 15 Mar 06 Posts: 628 Credit: 21,606 RAC: 0 |
For goodness sake, you make credits sound like a "currency", and a case of the haves and havenots (especially when RAC is concerned). Thanks for re-enforcing my claims above. Steve Akers Joined: Sep 5, 2004 Posts: 102 ID: 7806029 Credit: 455,723 RAC: 767 Do you think the above Credits and RAC have ANY intrinsic value beyond you being personally satisfied with your contribution to a world-wide project?? Do people look on at your numbers (cause thats all they are) with ENVY? Admiration? Respect? It should never come to that as these values are human constructions and worth nothing. Talk about warped thinking.............. If the top 20% of 'crunchers' walked away today, SETI@HOME could completely revamp the credit system (i.e. disband it) and provide a more valuable measure of progress (like which star systems, maps, whatever have been examined). I suspect that they havent done it already because of advocates like yourself, but it is only a matter of time. >> MESSAGE TO THE MODS AND BERKLEY << **** UPGRADE THE CREDIT SYSTEM TO A WORLDWIDE PROGRESS TRACKING SYSTEM **** Now, this would be progress!! Belief gets in the way of learning |
Jim Send message Joined: 28 Jan 00 Posts: 614 Credit: 2,031,206 RAC: 0 |
Outrageous pomposity! Does higher RAC make you a better person in any way? Shame! Am I the only one who feels this deserves redress??? In the recent past such crass comments as his would have been blown out of the water by dozens. Step up people! Without love, breath is just a clock ... ticking. Equilibrium |
GilbertP Send message Joined: 2 Aug 00 Posts: 4 Credit: 418,976 RAC: 0 |
Let's do some number crunching. On BOINCstats, SETI@home currently has 460,156 users and 7,334,459,113 (over seven billion) credits for SETI@home. Trux mentioned that a reference SETI work unit generates 32.32 cobblestones on a reference machine. These figures then give a total of 226,932,522 work units. Let's assume 1% of total WUs used Crunch3r's code. That's 2,269,325 work units. Let's assume that, on average, Crunch3r's work cuts 20% off execution time. Conversely, we can say that 25% more work is done on Crunch3r-enabled machines than on non-optimized ones. Without Crunch3r's code, those machines would only have completed 1,815,460 work units. With optimization, 453,865 additional work units were completed. Again, using the BOINCstats figures above, SETI@home averages 493 work units per user. Everything else being equal, Crunch3r's code has generated the work of 920 ADDITIONAL average users. Everything else being equal, there are 4,603 users running Crunch3r's code. On BOINCstats, SETI generates roughly 20 million credits per day. That's 43 work units per user per day. Using the data above, a Crunch3r user generates 25% more work units than a standard user. If all 4,603 Crunch3r users stoppped work, SETI loses 247,411 work units per day. Over 100 hundred days, a full boycott results in 24,741,100 lost work units. These are a lot of assumptions. Scale them up or down, according to your inclination. Also, please check the math. I may have gotten some things wrong. After all is said and done, perhaps what I'm trying to say is: 1. people use Crunch3r's code because it gets more science done; 2. SETI benefits because more science is done sooner rather than later; and 3. people supporting Crunch3r have a right to be upset because, without him, further optimization may not be forthcoming (unless asokf, TMR, and others fill in the vacuum, or the project gets more funding to support further optimization). I'm shifting my machines to other projects in the meantime. Like Crunch3r, I don't have access to all my machines all the time, so some of them will still be crunching SETI. I'll set SETI to "no new work" until Crunch3r comes back. For this, it would be enough that the project (Dr. Anderson, et al) ask him to come back and continue his work, with or without "official" endorsement. If Crunch3r refuses, I'll reassess my stand then. Months ago, I added Einstein so my machines can work even when SETI was down. Last week, when both SETI and Einstein were down, I added QMC, SIMAP, and SZTAKI. I chose these other projects because I was interested in the science they were doing, but also because asokf has released optimized apps for SIMAP and SZTAKI as well. QMC isn't optimized, but... I like the science enough to crunch for it without optimized clients. I'm not on any team. I'm not in this for the RAC. |
CoolmanHB Send message Joined: 7 Aug 99 Posts: 4 Credit: 653,499 RAC: 0 |
.... respect !!!... has participated in the SETI@home project since 7 August 1999, and has contributed 496,297 Cobblestones of computation (428.80 quintillion floating-point operations) and 12488 Classic workunits to SETI@home's search for extraterrestrial life. |
Darth Dogbytes™ Send message Joined: 30 Jul 03 Posts: 7512 Credit: 2,021,148 RAC: 0 |
An official thank you would go a long way as well since we are all volunteers. No ones ever gotten one around here from officialdoom that I can remember; much less the entire Seti group. That's sad. Even businesses call their regulars "valued customers" whether they mean it or not. Account frozen... |
MattDavis Send message Joined: 11 Nov 99 Posts: 919 Credit: 934,161 RAC: 0 |
I don't care if I get banned from this board, or the whole project, for saying this, but Kevint and Steve Akers don't just have high credit-generation capabilities - they're also very rude and put out a bad message! We've all gotten into fights about differences in opinion, but this is more than that - you think you're better just because you have faster computers and higher numbers. That you deserve more respect and that your opinion is somehow "more valid." http://www.setiusa.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=23110#23110 ----- |
Lazy2 Send message Joined: 4 Sep 00 Posts: 14 Credit: 23,552,278 RAC: 0 |
I feel many are missing the point on the strike. A strike is indicative of dissatisfaction or issues that need to be addressed. The fact that one goes through the process constitutes the seriousness of the issue/issues. It is not the length of the strike that is important but that it even occurs. The strike is not intended to hurt anyone/anything but to enhance the relevance of an issue that many feel to be important. This is only a test... |
Gone thanks to mmciastro Send message Joined: 30 Jun 99 Posts: 51 Credit: 112,892 RAC: 0 |
Self censored in order not to heat up any further; was basically in support of Matts post. "I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant." R.M. Nixon |
Whitestar Send message Joined: 17 Jun 02 Posts: 7 Credit: 1,034,419 RAC: 0 |
Ok I agree with supporting crunch3r on this, but I can also see where Eric is coming from. If there really are more points to this than the situation with crunch3r, then list them, post them in the thread. Otherwise I can't see anything being resolved. Also I have to agree that a week isnt really going to do much. A month would be better. |
SargeD@SETI.USA Send message Joined: 24 Nov 02 Posts: 957 Credit: 3,848,754 RAC: 0 |
Ok I agree with supporting crunch3r on this, but I can also see where Eric is coming from. If there really are more points to this than the situation with crunch3r, then list them, post them in the thread. Well, if there is no resolution or at least movement toward a resolution, you may find that many of us participating in the "strike" have no intention of coming back. So therefor a week is plenty of time for us. Others are quite welcome to stretch it out as long as they are willing, but the original intent was to make the point without hurting the project if we could. |
CoolmanHB Send message Joined: 7 Aug 99 Posts: 4 Credit: 653,499 RAC: 0 |
new action against crunch3r look at this.. !!! http://calbe.dw70.de/ has participated in the SETI@home project since 7 August 1999, and has contributed 496,297 Cobblestones of computation (428.80 quintillion floating-point operations) and 12488 Classic workunits to SETI@home's search for extraterrestrial life. |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19401 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
@GilbertP think your maths is off a bit, per day / credits per unit /active hosts = units per day per host 20,000,000 / 32 / 320,000 = ~2 units per host per day I will not go further. Andy |
n7rfa Send message Joined: 13 Apr 04 Posts: 370 Credit: 9,058,599 RAC: 0 |
new action against crunch3r look at this.. !!! http://calbe.dw70.de/ I wish he'd post them as text instead of msg files. |
Pepperammi Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 200 Credit: 737,775 RAC: 0 |
new action against crunch3r look at this.. !!! http://calbe.dw70.de/ "Thanks for sending me some Viruses via Mail. Had a good laugh about it." Now thats disgusting behavior. Hope He's reported them in some way. Got to be illegal somewhat to delibrately try and infect someones computer with a virus. |
SargeD@SETI.USA Send message Joined: 24 Nov 02 Posts: 957 Credit: 3,848,754 RAC: 0 |
new action against crunch3r look at this.. !!! http://calbe.dw70.de/ The message files retain the dates and headers and are more valuable as proof than a text version would be. |
Pepperammi Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 200 Credit: 737,775 RAC: 0 |
new action against crunch3r look at this.. !!! http://calbe.dw70.de/ heres the first i pieced together anyway. Couldn't get it to open at all. Even tried a dedicated .msg file viewer. Wierd. If crunch3r would prefur that this not be posted here then please say so and i'll edit it out whilst i still can. Any one know?
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n7rfa Send message Joined: 13 Apr 04 Posts: 370 Credit: 9,058,599 RAC: 0 |
new action against crunch3r look at this.. !!! http://calbe.dw70.de/ While I agree with that, some people can't read them. |
Pepperammi Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 200 Credit: 737,775 RAC: 0 |
Second seems to be mostly the same at a glance so i wont waste my time. Probly loads of timestamps and addresses that i cant read because encrypted and i wont put peoples addresses on. Specially considering Crunch3r is getting viruses sent to his mailbox because of all this fiascow |
SargeD@SETI.USA Send message Joined: 24 Nov 02 Posts: 957 Credit: 3,848,754 RAC: 0 |
Second seems to be mostly the same at a glance so i wont waste my time. Probly loads of timestamps and addresses that i cant read because encrypted and i wont put peoples addresses on. Specially considering Crunch3r is getting viruses sent to his mailbox because of all this fiascow Probably a smart move on your part. :) |
Hans Dorn Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 2262 Credit: 26,448,570 RAC: 0 |
I don't care if I get banned from this board, or the whole project, for saying this, but Kevint and Steve Akers don't just have high credit-generation capabilities - they're also very rude and put out a bad message! ACK. The combined contribution of the small crunchers is the majority of the work done for seti. If I see someone with a RAC of 250 and a total contribution of nearly 200,000 credits, he has all my respect. Regards Hans |
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