If it was a genuine question he would have mailed crunch3r and asked.

Not necessarily so.
It's amazing how obvious things are after an event has occured.

To me it looked like there was an intent to cause a "biggy" - and it did.

And to me it just looked like a poorly worded question.
If the intent was to cause a "biggie" it would have been much more effective just to say outright that he was cheating & anyone using his software was cheating. But he didn't.

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Grant
Darwin NT

The original title of the first post was "Crunch3r are you trying to cheat?" that is an aggressive question not an accusation.

Fine line. Very, very, very fine line.
I personally read it as an accusation, not a question.




As to apologies- it's way beyond that.
1 No matter who apologises, no-one from the other point of view would consider it to be genuine, and would continue to harp on about it.
2 Whoever apologises would be considered to be acknowledging they were wrong (even though they weren't necessarily doing so), and people would continue to harp on about it.
3 It doesn't matter what either side does to resolve the situation as the other side would never be satisfied- no matter what was done- and so they would just continue to harp on about it.

If it was a genuine question he would have mailed crunch3r and asked. It looked aggressive almost. To me it looked like there was an intent to cause a "biggy" - and it did.

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The original title of the first post was "Crunch3r are you trying to cheat?" that is an aggressive question not an accusation.

Fine line. Very, very, very fine line.
I personally read it as an accusation, not a question.




As to apologies- it's way beyond that.
1 No matter who apologises, no-one from the other point of view would consider it to be genuine, and would continue to harp on about it.
2 Whoever apologises would be considered to be acknowledging they were wrong (even though they weren't necessarily doing so), and people would continue to harp on about it.
3 It doesn't matter what either side does to resolve the situation as the other side would never be satisfied- no matter what was done- and so they would just continue to harp on about it.

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Grant
Darwin NT

Why, should Tony have to make an apology?

The original title of the first post was "Crunch3r are you trying to cheat?" that is an aggressive question not an accusation.

And Crunch3r still hasn't answered that question, or why he rushed to release and use an out of date version (5.11) here on the main site. It was stated 5 days before enhanced was released here, there was a post on the Beta site stating that the fpops calculation factor was 7 in 5.11 and that in the official 5.12 it would be 3.35.

There was no need to rush out an optimised version, only 1 of the 6 splitters was producing enhanced units and most users would also have some 4.18's in their cache to work through first.

Andy

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He doesn't have to apologize to me.

Doesn't surprise me matt. See the "catfight thread".

You seem to do this type of thing to get attention, and not to work on a soultion.

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He doesn't have to apologize to me.

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Tony, why can't you just say "I'm sorry" to the general population, even if you aren't ready to do the same to Crunch3r?

Your actions have caused an outpouring of emotions from many, infact more so than the "seti Classic vs Boinc 2.x" debate a few years back (2004?)

Ok, we all know that you'll not offer an apology to Crunch3r, but can you atleat try to offer an apology to the many folks that have been impacted over the last couple weeks?

Right or wrong, you're now directly connected to a "strike" against Seti.

Follow after me:

"I'm" (tony repeats)
"sorry that" (tony repeats)
"Things really seem to have gotten out of control." (tony repeats)
"I don't want to cause an impact to this project or to it's donors" (tony repeats)
"and I'm sorry if I did." (tony repeats)

Now try it by yourself!

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I Hoped to have a quiet weekend, many parties are "wrong." there is no defense for the "wrongs"

Crunch3r quit, he was tired the BS that continues! There is the Enhanced App to fix and we still see this... What is it that is not understood... IT IS A DEAD ISSUE!

Each of these posting only continues the HATE AND DISCONTENT!

No One Won the WAR! The Losses on ALL Sides were Extreme!

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Professor Ray, Thanks for the thread. Logan5, grant, and Hans are right. I will not back down from this. I brought that thread back so all the users could get the facts of what happened, quash any hidden agenda, or conspiracy theories. So they (the users) can make up their own minds based upon what was presented.

Roger, that.

Listen, you have no leg to stand upon with respect to popular sentiment.

It seems that you're not clear that it matters not in the least whether you're right or wrong (or not). Everybody's hammering on the matter on how you handled it. I'm not exonerating you whatsoever concering the issue.

All I see is that you've not stepped up to the plate. Neither has any of the other parties stepped up to the plate. All I see is the blame game going on, and this will continue to go on until somebody steps up to the plate and swears they're not taking steroids.

I'm telling you right now: whomever does that first will obtain some sense of respectibility in my eyes. Is that going to be you Tony? I don't know dude, back in the day I used to listen to a lot of Humble Pie.

I'm not asking you to eat crow, but if you'll just humm a few bars of "I don't need no Doctor...", and fess up to the idea you made a faux pas, well, you just may win the battle of public crucifiction.

Would you mind emailing me? XXXXX@XXX

I have it, you can delete your email addy now so bots don't phish it.

tony

Tony, please follow your own advice. I had to XX out his email addy from your quote.

Oops, missed that one. Sorry. I've requested that's post deletion.

tony

Would you mind emailing me? XXXXX@XXX

I have it, you can delete your email addy now so bots don't phish it.

tony

Tony, please follow your own advice. I had to XX out his email addy from your quote.

It might be an idea to stop calling people children.

When they start acting like adults, then it would be appropriate. I suspect we've got quite a way to go before that will be the case.
Although i guess most children do display better behaviour than is going on around here at the moment.

Your calling people that have only expressed opinions same as MMCiastro tried to but they have yet is see try to insult anyone or start namecalling.
Again I say your making the situation worse with comments like that. I was trying to help calm things

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This is all going off topic and is turning it into yet another one of those threads. bye
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It might be an idea to stop calling people children.

When they start acting like adults, then it would be appropriate. I suspect we've got quite a way to go before that will be the case.
Although i guess most children do display better behaviour than is going on around here at the moment.

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Grant
Darwin NT

Just politely poking my head above the mayhem seeing if thinks are quietning down.

Nope, from the looks of all the new threads that have popped up in the last few hours the children are more worked up than ever.

Even more reason.

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It might be an idea to stop calling people children. Your only adding to the insults.
"4. Do not flame your fellow forumite. You must ask a mod to deal with the unkind comments of another."
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Just politely poking my head above the mayhem seeing if thinks are quietning down.

Nope, from the looks of all the new threads that have popped up in the last few hours the children are more worked up than ever.

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Grant
Darwin NT

[color=teal]Unfortunately, the next topic will take a considerable amount of typing (and proof reading), it has many levels and (from past experience)might get difficult to keep the "message" intact. I've been piecing it together for the last day or so, trying to determine the best way to ouline it.
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Please don't take this the wrong way but this new topic - If it might be on the same lines or you think it could even possibly have a similar reaction as that dreaded cheater thread. Is it possible you could hold it off the fourum for a day? or two? I know I can only politely ask but I think the fourums only now starting to settle and calm down a little from whats been happening. Last things it needs is petrol thrown on the embers.

Of course I have no idea what your cooking up is about so i 'm probly just making myself look silly here. You do however appear to have a reputation about your threads :)
I'm sure all you really want is a passionate debate But current climate is very volitile. Careful wording might be all thats needed


Just politely poking my head above the mayhem seeing if thinks are quietning down.

I don't mind being the "whipping boy" if it actually achieves my desired intent, and that's the protection of the Boinc projects credit system and keeping the playing field level for ALL users.

tony

Would you mind emailing me?

edit: removed address

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Problem was that Tony reposted it in a new thread that he started with the same "attitude" that got him in trobule!

Would have made much more sense to have reposted the "hidden or deleted" thread by an impartial third party.

Hmmm. OK, you're off topic in this thread.

Regards Hans

Actually not off topic. The way that the reposting of the "deleted or hidden" thread was done, it was done in a mannor to favor one side in the dispute. (reposted with comments by Tony to start the thread?)

Tony's friends backed him up. It's quite clear (from the reactions on these forums), that it might not have been the correct choice.

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