Problem was that Tony reposted it in a new thread that he started with the same "attitude" that got him in trobule!

Would have made much more sense to have reposted the "hidden or deleted" thread by an impartial third party.

Hmmm. OK, you're off topic in this thread.

Regards Hans

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Tony will not admit he's wrong - even if it's a "I was partly to blame". That just seems to be his nature.

The thread he started just yesterday, where he reposted the "deleted or hidden" thread that started this mess, seemed to start with a post with an attitude.

"Here's what happened and tell me how I could have been wrong, because it's the facts", was the way it read to me.

I do think he's doing the wise thing right now, and just not posting anything. A "cooling off period" is needed.

I repeatedly asked (among others I guess) that Tony's post was put on line again.
The discussion that followed allowed everybody to speak his mind and was badly needed.

Regards Hans

Problem was that Tony reposted it in a new thread that he started with the same "attitude" that got him in trobule!

Would have made much more sense to have reposted the "hidden or deleted" thread by an impartial third party.

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Tony will not admit he's wrong - even if it's a "I was partly to blame". That just seems to be his nature.

The thread he started just yesterday, where he reposted the "deleted or hidden" thread that started this mess, seemed to start with a post with an attitude.

"Here's what happened and tell me how I could have been wrong, because it's the facts", was the way it read to me.

I do think he's doing the wise thing right now, and just not posting anything. A "cooling off period" is needed.

I repeatedly asked (among others I guess) that Tony's post was put on line again.
The discussion that followed allowed everybody to speak his mind and was badly needed.

Regards Hans

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Tony will not admit he's wrong - even if it's a "I was partly to blame". That just seems to be his nature.

The thread he started just yesterday, where he reposted the "deleted or hidden" thread that started this mess, seemed to start with a post with an attitude.

"Here's what happened and tell me how I could have been wrong, because it's the facts", was the way it read to me.

I do think he's doing the wise thing right now, and just not posting anything. A "cooling off period" is needed.

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mmciastro has yet to acknowledge that it probably would have been better to first approach Crunch3r privately instead of publicly.

Problem is, if he did that he'd be admitting he was/is wrong about Crunch3r and that's not what he truly beleives, so he won't apologize or admit he went overboard even if it's the right thing to do to keep the peace.....

I've seen enough of Tony over the years both here and on the LHC Message Boards to know that he is like a bulldog: Once he get's his teeth in to something, he doesn't let go until HE decides to. All the trying to appeal to his reasonable nature in all the other threads is all for naught as he's made up his mind long ago about the guilt or innocence of Crunch3r...We have yet to hear from Tony with an apology to crunch3r to refute this.

I'm not flaming Tony, just making a confirmable observation based on years of seeing his posts and his posting style.

Probably the best thing to do if he does not want to apologize because he feels he's being pushed to do it is to simply let this whole mess die as a hard lesson learned and move on.

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Well......that was fun! As far as I can tell everyone is still alive and kicking.

mmciastro has yet to acknowledge that it probably would have been better to first approach Crunch3r privately instead of publicly. Crunch3r took his software and left Seti. Looks like the splitters are still kicking out a few work units that are questionable and Boinc/Seti app version 5.15 is still choking on them. The big gun's are either gone already or threatening to leave because of their RAC falling.

Looks like everything is the same as yesterday. Well almost the same anyway. At least now everyone who reads here KNOWS what has transpired between mmciastro and crunch3r. It is no longer hidden and everyone is free to make up their own mind about it. The really good part is that Boinc/Seti moderators have not made anything "vanish" and the conversation and discussion continues. This is the best part!

I want to say....Welcome back mmciastro. Your good advice to the new members here was sorely missed. To Crunch3r, you too are welcome to return here. Your continued absence is missed by far more crunchers than even you know about. The SETI project is a vastly better project with both of you onboard than it is without you.

One more thing. I have always been one of the despised "cheerleaders" here for Boinc/Seti. I CAN however acknowledge that there are problems as stated above. I also have faith that the project developers ARE aware of the problems, ARE working to solve the problems and WILL do so given the time to do so. As in so many things in life.....patience is required!

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Boinc....Boinc....Boinc....Boinc....

snippety-snap!

Thanks.

BTW I really enjoyed Matt's contribution.
His posts all were made in good humor, and made wading through this mess more bearable.

Regards HAns

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I have no doubt in Tony's integrity.

In his opinion the use of modified seti software is not fair.
I can relate to that to a certain degree.

I guess he started the thread the way he did to provoke a discussion, but things got out of hand.

He asked the mods to take his thread down after that, but the damage already has been done.


Regards Hans

thats right

People who dont know what they say

btw a good Anseer from our Seti Mod at the Planet

My reply was that i don't see any reason for me that i should appologise for anything. And that it should be the other way around...

Anyhow seems as if we got support from seti.germany and planet3dnow as well. for the planed strike.
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in German

Threads mit Kritk einfach loeschen ( ich hoffe die verschieben nur, damit das da mal jemand nachvollziehen kann, so wird es jedenfalls bei uns gemacht), dann Aussagen man waere im Wochenende und das Modsein waere momentan eingestellt und er postet als Privatperson.
Gleichzeitig werden Flamer und einfach Dummbatzposter wie dieser MattDavis komplett in Ruhe gelassen
Greetings from Germany NRW

Ulli

I have no doubt in Tony's integrity.

In his opinion the use of modified seti software is not fair.
I can relate to that to a certain degree.

I guess he started the thread the way he did to provoke a discussion, but things got out of hand.

He asked the mods to take his thread down after that, but the damage already has been done.


Regards Hans

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In defense of MMCiastro

Couldn't we have kept all this in the one thread?
This makes it about the 5th thread on (what really is) the same subject.

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Grant
Darwin NT

In my opionion he would truly take the high ground by expression his regret on how he initially handled the matter.

Since most seem to agree that Tony's accusations were the wrong approach, a sincere public apology from him to Crunch3r would definitely help bring some closure to this, IMHO.

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http://www.setiusa.net

he thougt he is right but...

when i look at all, he was wrong...

Greetings from Germany NRW
Ulli

With all due respect, sensitivity, discretion and taking in the whole scope of the matter of late, I truly believe that MMCiastro has been raked over the coals long enough. The popular consensus of the matter regarding his faux pas is clearly evident for all to see. Nobody's risen even the slightest in his defense. I believe he's been chastised enough.

In my opionion he would truly take the high ground by expression his regret on how he initially handled the matter. Enough said about that, let the chips fall where they may.

I believe that two parties should step up to the plate and declare whether or not there was error on their part either overtly or indirectly through lack of action (and elucidate what steps are being undertaken to ensure this fiasco doesn't occur in the future). Foremost in my mind is that administration bears a large portion of blame. With the inherent nature of open source of BOINC and its clients, what guarentees exist that people aren't (and can't) fudge their credit? What responsibility does admin/management assume with respect to the potential snowballing affect of the infamous 5.11 client credit issue? And how are they going to identify/address future cease and desist situations?

And furthermore, what responsiblity is Crunch3r going to assume with respect to the deliberate and continued offering of a known flawed client, despite being informed about that (admittedly in a most tactless und undiplomatic fashion), and when he knew full well that version was not meant for public consumption.

Y'all can continue to beat a dead horse into the ground (if MMCiastro is up to continue being your whipping boy), but I believe that to be non-productive and could ultimately prove to be quite counter-productive. So what's it going to be? Are we all going to learn from our mistakes, or are we going to continue to perpetuate them?

I've heard said that when bad things happen, it can be chalked up to experience. I beg to differ: its only experience if one learns from the event otherwise its just something that happened and the same situation can be repeated.