Better living through chemistry (organic)...estrogen will get rid of all your troubles.

I think if Robert had the operation it would resolve a lot of his internal conflicts, I think he should go for it.

I'll be running as a write in candidate on the ballot in 2008. Thank you much for your preleminary support.

I may start a 'Noodly ticket'...

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I read through your post to her and I actually thought you were over reacting. I don't think she has said anything particularly awful to you apart from getting frustrated with the way you argue. After all, you have a habit of putting people down when they don't agree with you, you have difficulty separating criticisms of your government from criticisms of yourself, and often refuse to accept the validity of any evidence that people do provide for you when you demand it. Personally I don't really want to bother arguing with you sometimes because you will always find away to dismiss things that you don't like the sound of and don't fit in with your world view.

Please bear in mind, this is not a personal attack, just my observations. I still like you as a person.

I like you too, Es99, but if I disagree with links or sources, I always say why. Always. There is a great difference between that and refusing to accept the validity of "evidence", especially when the evidence is not evidence at all. You could cite something a lunatic said, but it would not be convincing.

If I am brusk about criticisms of my government (more often President Bush) it is because personal hatred of the US or the President is not a convincing argument. In fact, relying on such an argument cuts the other way, often invalidating the person's position, especialy when it is the only argument. For example, if you say the war is illegal because Bush is a liar, well, whether he is or is not a liar is irrelevant to the legality of the war; if you say you hate America, and the war is illegal, you have not made a case for the war being illegal; if you claim that Congressional resolutions and UN mandates say one thing but they actually say the opposite, then I am within my rights to point out that faulty reasoning. What I get for my trouble is claims (from Enigma and others) that I did not back up what I said, and abject refusal to answer my direct request to show my error.

Better living through chemistry (organic)...estrogen will get rid of all your troubles.

I think if Robert had the operation it would resolve a lot of his internal conflicts, I think he should go for it.

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you have difficulty separating criticisms of your government from criticisms of yourself

That's because they are one in the same...

Who else would post 'document' after 'documentary' day after day of 'propaganda'... ;)

Alot of times I wish I could trade in my shoulderblades and narrow hips....along with height and become a woman for a while but no luck.

Christine went to Denmark...

DB, could you shave off this muscle mass and fit me with a wig to complete the process? lol....I'll seek private consulations for the anatomical adjustments..thanks.

Better living through chemistry (organic)...estrogen will get rid of all your troubles.

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First, his remark was surprisingly mild, in that she claims to be from Malaysia and she spouts, well, crap. Second, I did not condone his remark, but I explained his crudely put question. Third, if he agrees with me on this issue, that seems to be all you care about, not whether I am right or wrong about Enigma. Finally, I don't believe calling someone "she" when they are really "he" is an insult, and I will happily apologize if I am wrong. But I am disappointed that you either think I was being intentionally insulting, or that you bring up the point just to find some way to oppose my position.

It was something I had wondered about for a while so I asked. If I knew why you were doing it I wouldn't have asked, so please don't get paranoid about it.

I read through your post to her and I actually thought you were over reacting. I don't think she has said anything particularly awful to you apart from getting frustrated with the way you argue. After all, you have a habit of putting people down when they don't agree with you, you have difficulty separating criticisms of your government from criticisms of yourself, and often refuse to accept the validity of any evidence that people do provide for you when you demand it. Personally I don't really want to bother arguing with you sometimes because you will always find away to dismiss things that you don't like the sound of and don't fit in with your world view.

Please bear in mind, this is not a personal attack, just my observations. I still like you as a person.

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Alot of times I wish I could trade in my shoulderblades and narrow hips....along with height and become a woman for a while but no luck.

Christine went to Denmark...

DB, could you shave off this muscle mass and fit me with a wig to complete the process? lol....I'll seek private consulations for the anatomical adjustments..thanks.

Alot of times I wish I could trade in my shoulderblades and narrow hips....along with height and become a woman for a while but no luck.

Christine went to Denmark...

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Tom, I think ES99 was pulling your chain using some sardonic humo(u)r. :)

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why exactly would it be an insult to be thought of as a 'she' ?

Personally I think it's wonderful to be a woman, but when guys call each other girls it's usually meant as an insult...that's why I asked.

Alot of times I wish I could trade in my shoulderblades and narrow hips....along with height and become a woman for a while but no luck.

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I don't think Koenig was insulting anyone. He was just addressing the issues he wished to disagree with Enigma on. I don't recall whether he is msle or female....and apparanttly neither does Mr. Koenig as he has stated such and has also expressed that that particular fact is not relevent to the current situation. I think that is a particularly important point given the fact that issues sometimes become derailed through divergent tactics that are not germane to the topic at hand, much less the logic...

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You asked me to look in a mirror, well, when I look in a mirror, I see an honest man, or at least one who tries to be. When I look at you I am horrified by your ugliness, perhaps not physical ugliness, but a twisted, shriveled mind; a black heart; and a distorted sense of morality that make me shudder and recoil. I certainly hope you do not look in a mirror.

I find this statement to be utterly amusing...

Remember the old saying:

Even the ugliest of babies looks cute to their mommy and daddy... ;)

I broke my rule about not responding to him. That does not make him my friend. What kind of argument is that, Es99?

Because you didn't even see what was wrong with what he said about Enigma, all you cared about was that he agreed with you. Whatever your issue with Enigma should have nothing to do with where he/she comes from.

..and BTW, although it is not really important, is Enigma a woman or are you just trying to be insulting?

First, his remark was surprisingly mild, in that she claims to be from Malaysia and she spouts, well, crap. Second, I did not condone his remark, but I explained his crudely put question. Third, if he agrees with me on this issue, that seems to be all you care about, not whether I am right or wrong about Enigma. Finally, I don't believe calling someone "she" when they are really "he" is an insult, and I will happily apologize if I am wrong. But I am disappointed that you either think I was being intentionally insulting, or that you bring up the point just to find some way to oppose me.

why exactly would it be an insult to be thought of as a 'she' ?

Personally I think it's wonderful to be a woman, but when guys call each other girls it's usually meant as an insult...that's why I asked.

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Tom, I thought Enigma was a 'he'...I thought your post was entirely entertaining and made me bust a gut.....I didn't know that Enigma had supposedly made those comments that were defensive of terrorists though. I like him although we disagree on most things...but I'll reread your links to see where he (she?) is coming from....

I got the impression somewhere that Enigma was female, but I may be wrong. It doesn't change what I have said. As for defending terrorists, I actually said she was an "apologist", which means, in this case, that she finds reasons to side with, explain or excuse their actions, perhaps short of defending them.

Yeah, I understand that. And it's incidental what gender Enigma is...

Like you said, all of that is immaterial to your outlayed arguments.

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Tom, I thought Enigma was a 'he'...I thought your post was entirely entertaining and made me bust a gut.....I didn't know that Enigma had supposedly made those comments that were defensive of terrorists though. I like him although we disagree on most things...but I'll reread your links to see where he (she?) is coming from....

I got the impression somewhere that Enigma was female, but I may be wrong. It doesn't change what I have said. As for defending terrorists, I actually said she was an "apologist", which means, in this case, that she finds reasons to side with, explain or excuse their actions, perhaps short of defending them.

why exactly would it be an insult to be thought of as a 'she' ?

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I broke my rule about not responding to him. That does not make him my friend. What kind of argument is that, Es99?

Because you didn't even see what was wrong with what he said about Enigma, all you cared about was that he agreed with you. Whatever your issue with Enigma should have nothing to do with where he/she comes from.

..and BTW, although it is not really important, is Enigma a woman or are you just trying to be insulting?

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I heard the "Stay the Course" resolution passed both the Senate and the House with flying colors.

Since we all follow are 'Demon-Haunted World' by Carl Sagan... I would suggest reading the last two chapters very carefully as they pertain to politics...

Just because something passes in Government does not mean that it represents the majority of the people, nor does it mean that the opposition is in the minority... What It does mean is that there is the possibility that Government has gained too much power over the people... Which is both unpatriotic and unconstitutional... ;)

Dude, why even waste your time on a third world piece of crap?

I responded for all those who agree with her, and who think she is such a font of reason and knowlege. And even though I know I will not change their minds (or hers), I want them to know there is another side to her psuedo-rhetoric.

So Brainsmashr is your friend now? I thought you were better than that Tom.

I broke my rule about not responding to him. That does not make him my friend. What kind of argument is that, Es99?

Dude, why even waste your time on a third world piece of crap?

I responded for all those who agree with her, and who think she is such a font of reason and knowlege. And even though I know I will not change their minds (or hers), I want them to know there is another side to her psuedo-rhetoric.

Tom, I thought Enigma was a 'he'...I thought your post was entirely entertaining and made me bust a gut.....I didn't know that Enigma had supposedly made those comments that were defensive of terrorists though. I like him although we disagree on most things...but I'll reread your links to see where he (she?) is coming from....