Eric,

Just a suggestion:

Could you set the DB_Purger to allow the completed results to hang around a little longer (maybe a month) for a while? It would make it a litte easier to grab data and do a quick "eyeball" eval, especially on "slugs".

Regards,

Alinator

Couldn't the same information (more or less) be derived from the nightly XML files?

[edit]Too bad we don't have the XML files from before the switch[/edit]

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Eric,

Just a suggestion:

Could you set the DB_Purger to allow the completed results to hang around a little longer (maybe a month) for a while? It would make it a litte easier to grab data and do a quick "eyeball" eval, especially on "slugs".

Regards,

Alinator

Couldn't the same information (more or less) be derived from the nightly XML files?

[edit]Too bad we don't have the XML files from before the switch[/edit]

Nope. The XML files only contain stats, but no individual results.
I wonder how big a daily result xml would be, most likely not bigger than the currently available files.

Regards Hans

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With both Matt and Jeff out of town, I don't want to have to deal with the problems it might cause. Perhaps when they get back...

Eric,

Just a suggestion:

Could you set the DB_Purger to allow the completed results to hang around a little longer (maybe a month) for a while? It would make it a litte easier to grab data and do a quick "eyeball" eval, especially on "slugs".

Regards,

Alinator

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@SETIEric@qoto.org (Mastodon)

LOL, yeah that's probably a wise decision! :-D

I'd almost be willing to bet you're wishing now you had waited till they were around to roll out SE. ;-)

Alinator

Until you get enough data to see whats what you could try this.

(Benchmark credit + Fpops Credit)/2

Then everyone is happy. :)


Just remember, you can't please everyone everytime.

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More food for thought. This time a P4 2.8 w/HT on. This Host

AR for the seti units were 6.34.

Seti 7 WU for 28562.68 sec claimed 87.78 credits 11.0636677 c/hr
Rosetta 11 WU for 468891.84 sec claimed 731.7 credits 5.617756112 c/hr
LHC 4 WU for 46997.64 sec claimed 73.88 credit 5.65917778 c/hr

So it would appear that at this AR, seti is *over* claiming on the credits.

Perhaps the ratio of credits to AR needs to be looked at a little closer.


For those that want to just continue to complain: You can be part of the solution or part of the problem. The project has asked for YOUR data to see what and where things need to be adjusted. Give it to them. Having fits and acting childish will get you nowhere.

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With both Matt and Jeff out of town, I don't want to have to deal with the problems it might cause. Perhaps when they get back...

Eric,

Just a suggestion:

Could you set the DB_Purger to allow the completed results to hang around a little longer (maybe a month) for a while? It would make it a litte easier to grab data and do a quick "eyeball" eval, especially on "slugs".

Regards,

Alinator

Good thinking, Batman!

Andy

More food for thought. This time a P4 2.8 w/HT on. This Host

AR for the seti units were 6.34.

Seti 7 WU for 28562.68 sec claimed 87.78 credits 11.0636677 c/hr
Rosetta 11 WU for 468891.84 sec claimed 731.7 credits 5.617756112 c/hr
LHC 4 WU for 46997.64 sec claimed 73.88 credit 5.65917778 c/hr

So it would appear that at this AR, seti is *over* claiming on the credits.

Perhaps the ratio of credits to AR needs to be looked at a little closer.


For those that want to just continue to complain: You can be part of the solution or part of the problem. The project has asked for YOUR data to see what and where things need to be adjusted. Give it to them. Having fits and acting childish will get you nowhere.

Thanks for pointing that out, it is known, and applies more to Intel rather than other cpu's. One of the reasons why it is difficult to get the credit calculation correct. But probably, on average, it should be alright, until enough data is in to make final adjustments.

Strange how all the comments have concentrated on the other end of the AR/time graph, but not mentioned the boost at this end.

Andy

Strange how all the comments have concentrated on the other end of the AR/time graph, but not mentioned the boost at this end.

Because every man & his dog seems to think they're being ripped off in some way; but of course getting more than you deserve is OK.

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Grant
Darwin NT

Where are all the "I'm being ripped off" people and their stats? Where are you???

Bueller.....Beuller.....Beuller.....Fry......Fry......Fry?

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@Franz
Why are you running Crunch3rs 5.11? You know that seriously overclaims on credits right?

Hi Robert:

In response to your statement.

I’m one of those people that have to see for themselves what all the fuss is about. Therefore, I spent a considerable amount of time compiling the data and made it available on the thread for all to see. If this meant having to run Crunch3r’s 5.11 Enhanced Seti app so be it. To have left it out in the data analysis would have been counter productive in seeing the entire picture.

In regard to the second part of your statement, I have to ask relevant to which science application?
If you mean Crunch3r’s 5.11 Seti app versus:
1. His 5.12 Seti app then "Yes”.
2. Einstein’s standard app 4.37 then “Yes”.
3. Einstein’s enhanced 4.37 Akosf app then “No”.

I’m quite disappointed that you and maybe others failed to see the latter!!!

Regards
Franz

For those that want to just continue to complain: You can be part of the solution or part of the problem. The project has asked for YOUR data to see what and where things need to be adjusted. Give it to them. Having fits and acting childish will get you nowhere.

Hi Robert:

When we do post our data without having fits and acting childish. We get statements like, “Why are you running Crunch3rs 5.11? You know that seriously over claims on credits right?”

Not even a tiny peep about the data and what it clearly demonstrates.
Hint: It is not me cheating by having used 5.11!!!

Regards
Franz

@Franz
Why are you running Crunch3rs 5.11? You know that seriously overclaims on credits right?

Hi Robert:

In response to your statement.

I’m one of those people that have to see for themselves what all the fuss is about. Therefore, I spent a considerable amount of time compiling the data and made it available on the thread for all to see. If this meant having to run Crunch3r’s 5.11 Enhanced Seti app so be it. To have left it out in the data analysis would have been counter productive in seeing the entire picture.

In regard to the second part of your statement, I have to ask relevant to which science application?
If you mean Crunch3r’s 5.11 Seti app versus:
1. His 5.12 Seti app then "Yes”.
2. Einstein’s standard app 4.37 then “Yes”.
3. Einstein’s enhanced 4.37 Akosf app then “No”.

I’m quite disappointed that you and maybe others failed to see the latter!!!

Regards
Franz

You missed this part in Erics request

But please only a stock BOINC core client and stock applications. Using optimized core clients or applications would throw off the results.

Having you information is nice, but what is really needed is data from stock clients with stock apps.

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I've been crunching some Rosetta@Home work recently and here are 5 results:

CPU Time    Credits   Credits/hour
10,113      85.48     30.43
10,633      89.88     30.43
11,080      93.66     30.43
10,311      87.15     30.43
10,221      86.40     30.43

Here's some previous SETI@Home Enhanced work (using Crunch3r's 5.12 app):

CPU Time    Credits   Credits/hour     AR       Est Std App
 7,755      31.11     14.44            0.8098    8.66
 9,027      34.41     13.72            0.7181    8.23
 9,928      49.25     17.86            0.6029   10.72
12,019      62.82     18.82            0.4259   11.29
 3,589      15.47     15.52            0.0439    9.31

I also estimated what the Credits/hour would be for the standard application.

The system is a Pentium D830 with 2GB of memory, PCI Express, and SATA drives.

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My opinion only : It was'nt broken so why did Berkeley fix it?
I am now having a ball on Einstein until the damage is repaired.
Until such time as ALL the projects meet to decide upon a level
playing field then this debate is going to go on indefinitely.
So who can/will set this up. Soon!

Graeme.
www.Boincuk.com

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cpu time(sec)	cpu time(hr)credits	ang ran	  av. cr/hr	
					
45413.41	12.61	   58.69	0.039	   4.65	
24907.88	6.92	   60.57	0.444	   8.75	
26312.06	7.31	   64.12	0.406	   8.77	
26763.23	7.43	   63.78	0.410	   8.58	
25844.92	7.18	   64.71	0.422	   9.01	
24479.03	6.80	   58.12	0.467	   8.55	
25852.59	7.18	   62.35	0.426	   8.68	
7103.36	        1.97	   18.08	0.447	   9.16	
25114.44	6.98	   60.68	0.443	   8.70	
25283.02	7.02	   61.67	0.430	   8.78	
56526.05	15.70	   58.69	0.003	   3.74	

(results for stock app)

SETI enhanced - core client version 5.4.9
LGA775 P4 530 (Prescott) (Intel 925X mobo)
800MHz FSB
2.048Gb DDR2 533 (4-4-4-12)
SATA HDD (ICH6)
WIN XP PRO SP2

running 24/7

HTH

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edited for further info (thanks Odysseus)

[size=10]cpu time(sec)	cpu time(hr)	credits	ang ran	av. cr/hr	
45413.41	12.61	58.69	0.039	4.65	
24907.88	6.92	60.57	0.444	8.75	
26312.06	7.31	64.12	0.406	8.77	
26763.23	7.43	63.78	0.410	8.58	
25844.92	7.18	64.71	0.422	9.01	
24479.03	6.80	58.12	0.467	8.55	
25852.59	7.18	62.35	0.426	8.68	
 7103.36	1.97	18.08	0.447	9.16	
25114.44	6.98	60.68	0.443	8.70	
25283.02	7.02	61.67	0.430	8.78	
56526.05	15.70	58.69	0.003	3.74[/size]

Those figures can’t tell the developers much, especially without even an indication of the kind of system that produced them. What’s most needed here is comparisons between projects (including S@h Enhanced) on the same machine using stock apps and clients.

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Those figures can’t tell the developers much, especially without even an indication of the kind of system that produced them. What’s most needed here is comparisons between projects (including S@h Enhanced) on the same machine using stock apps and clients.

Was editing info, but you were too fast!

I only am running S@H

Sorry.

Was editing info, but you were too fast!

Sorry!

I only am running S@H

At least with the system specs you provided the figures can be compared to similar machines. And the angle-range info could be useful for ‘linearizing’ the Flop-counts, should that turn out to be feasible.

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Laptop Intel 1.6 Ghz 1Gig RAM
this machine is still running BOINC Core Client 4.45, part of the reason is to see the differences...

Version[u]   [/u]ARange[u]      [/u]ResultID[u]      [/u]WorkunitID[u]      [/u]CPU time (sec)[u]      [/u]CC[u]      [/u]GC[u]      [/u]C/H[u]      [/u]G/H
5.12[u]      [/u]0.6233[u]      [/u]335227586[u]       [/u]80372379[u]      [/u]37,185.80[u]      [/u]62.81[u]      [/u]pending[u]      [/u]6.0807[u]      [/u]
5.12[u]      [/u]0.4211[u]      [/u]334937968[u]       [/u]80304270[u]      [/u]46,617.02[u]      [/u]79.64[u]      [/u]64.86[u]      [/u]6.1502[u]      [/u]5.0088
5.12[u]      [/u]0.7392[u]      [/u]334761934[u]       [/u]80268977[u]      [/u]29,634.22[u]      [/u]50.63[u]      [/u]pending[u]      [/u]6.1506[u]      [/u]
5.12[u]      [/u]0.4326[u]      [/u]334359697[u]       [/u]80175683[u]      [/u]44,699.96[u]      [/u]76.37[u]      [/u]61.33[u]      [/u]6.1506[u]      [/u]4.9393
5.12[u]      [/u]0.9038[u]      [/u]334074586[u]       [/u]80120771[u]      [/u]28,406.02[u]      [/u]48.53[u]      [/u]29.16[u]      [/u]6.1504[u]      [/u]3.6956
5.12[u]      [/u]0.5181[u]      [/u]333720028[u]       [/u]80037894[u]      [/u]41,318.90[u]      [/u]70.59[u]      [/u]53.71[u]      [/u]6.1503[u]      [/u]4.6796
5.12[u]      [/u]0.469[u]      [/u]333257531[u]       [/u]79926184[u]      [/u]45,397.43[u]      [/u]77.56[u]      [/u]pending[u]      [/u]6.1505[u]      [/u]
5.12[u]      [/u]0.6999[u]      [/u]332876602[u]       [/u]79837297[u]      [/u]25,955.12[u]      [/u]43.26[u]      [/u]33.73[u]      [/u]6.0002[u]      [/u]4.6784
5.12[u]      [/u]-9   [u]      [/u]331680403[u]       [/u]79557927[u]      [/u]5,131.76[u]      [/u]8.55[u]      [/u]2.86[u]      [/u]5.9979[u]      [/u]2.0063
5.12[u]      [/u]-9   [u]      [/u]331291824[u]       [/u]79465719[u]      [/u]6,590.10[u]      [/u]10.98[u]      [/u]4.28[u]      [/u]5.9981[u]      [/u]2.3381
5.12[u]      [/u]0.4069[u]      [/u]330857440[u]       [/u]79367175[u]      [/u]46,751.07[u]      [/u]77.91[u]      [/u]64.11[u]      [/u]5.9993[u]      [/u]4.9367
5.12[u]      [/u]4.7366[u]      [/u]330560433[u]       [/u]79294168[u]      [/u]11,334.45[u]      [/u]18.89[u]      [/u]12.79[u]      [/u]5.9998[u]      [/u]4.0623
5.12[u]      [/u]0.4105[u]      [/u]330167326[u]       [/u]79203671[u]      [/u]56,069.99[u]      [/u]93.45[u]      [/u]77.08[u]      [/u]6.0000[u]      [/u]4.9490
5.12[u]      [/u]0.0835[u]      [/u]329775099[u]       [/u]79114737[u]      [/u]104,225.95[u]      [/u]173.7[u]      [/u]98.8[u]      [/u]5.9997[u]      [/u]3.4126
5.12[u]      [/u]0.0207[u]      [/u]329548334[u]       [/u]79059723[u]      [/u]40,086.87[u]      [/u]67.69[u]      [/u]27.31[u]      [/u]6.0789[u]      [/u]2.4526
5.12[u]      [/u]0.0028[u]      [/u]329328897[u]       [/u]79016712[u]      [/u]79,257.59[u]      [/u]133.83[u]      [/u]58.69[u]      [/u]6.0788[u]      [/u]2.6658
5.12[u]      [/u]0.5331[u]      [/u]328976042[u]       [/u]78931703[u]      [/u]39,524.83[u]      [/u]66.74[u]      [/u]52.66[u]      [/u]6.0788[u]      [/u]4.7964
5.12[u]      [/u]0.4471[u]      [/u]328582963[u]       [/u]78855488[u]      [/u]43,918.56[u]      [/u]74.16[u]      [/u]60.19[u]      [/u]6.0789[u]      [/u]4.9338
5.12[u]      [/u]0.9777[u]      [/u]328449760[u]       [/u]78823035[u]      [/u]26,868.97[u]      [/u]45.37[u]      [/u]27.97[u]      [/u]6.0788[u]      [/u]3.7475
5.12[u]      [/u]0.4183[u]      [/u]328186238[u]       [/u]78759595[u]      [/u]43,696.15[u]      [/u]73.78[u]      [/u]64.92[u]      [/u]6.0785[u]      [/u]5.3486
5.12[u]      [/u]0.4138[u]      [/u]327533630[u]       [/u]78627218[u]      [/u]73,728.27[u]      [/u]124.49[u]      [/u]64.22[u]      [/u]6.0786[u]      [/u]3.1357
4.18C[u]      [/u]------[u]      [/u]327455832[u]       [/u]78608294[u]      [/u]5,911.86[u]      [/u]9.98[u]      [/u]6.01[u]      [/u]6.0773[u]      [/u]3.6598
5.12[u]      [/u]0.4472[u]      [/u]327342035[u]       [/u]78580811[u]      [/u]40,484.10[u]      [/u]68.35[u]      [/u]60.17[u]      [/u]6.0779[u]      [/u]5.3505
5.12[u]      [/u]0.4292[u]      [/u]326778943[u]       [/u]78447544[u]      [/u]40,073.22[u]      [/u]67.66[u]      [/u]61.97[u]      [/u]6.0783[u]      [/u]5.5671
5.12[u]      [/u]0.5239[u]      [/u]326090321[u]       [/u]78281688[u]      [/u]40,314.19[u]      [/u]68.07[u]      [/u]53.65[u]      [/u]6.0786[u]      [/u]4.7909
5.12[u]      [/u]0.4183[u]      [/u]325661087[u]       [/u]78178826[u]      [/u]46,804.55[u]      [/u]79.03[u]      [/u]64.56[u]      [/u]6.0786[u]      [/u]4.9657
4.18C[u]      [/u]------[u]      [/u]325084361[u]       [/u]78041000[u]      [/u]7,513.65[u]      [/u]12.69[u]      [/u]32.3[u]      [/u]6.0801[u]      [/u]15.4758
4.18C[u]      [/u]------[u]      [/u]325007186[u]       [/u]78022117[u]      [/u]7,578.66[u]      [/u]12.8[u]      [/u]33.35[u]      [/u]6.0802[u]      [/u]15.8419
4.18C[u]      [/u]------[u]      [/u]324110926[u]       [/u]77807890[u]      [/u]5,901.75[u]      [/u]10.3[u]      [/u]32.09[u]      [/u]6.2829[u]      [/u]19.5745
5.12[u]      [/u]0.5067[u]      [/u]323537695[u]       [/u]77673054[u]      [/u]41,640.56[u]      [/u]72.64[u]      [/u]63.1[u]      [/u]6.2800[u]      [/u]5.4553
5.12[u]      [/u]0.4264[u]      [/u]320986034[u]       [/u]77070160[u]      [/u]46,282.81[u]      [/u]80.74[u]      [/u]62.4[u]      [/u]6.2802[u]      [/u]4.8536
5.12[u]      [/u]0.4097[u]      [/u]320739187[u]       [/u]77010593[u]      [/u]46,582.70[u]      [/u]81.26[u]      [/u]63.83[u]      [/u]6.2799[u]      [/u]4.9329
4.18C[u]      [/u]------[u]      [/u]319644165[u]       [/u]76744711[u]      [/u]5,958.73[u]      [/u]10.06[u]      [/u]10.06[u]      [/u]6.0778[u]      [/u]6.0778
4.18C[u]      [/u]------[u]      [/u]318425194[u]       [/u]76446322[u]      [/u]5,945.56[u]      [/u]10.04[u]      [/u]19.98[u]      [/u]6.0792[u]      [/u]12.0978
4.18C[u]      [/u]------[u]      [/u]317290754[u]       [/u]76176283[u]      [/u]7,512.07[u]      [/u]12.69[u]      [/u]12.69[u]      [/u]6.0814[u]      [/u]6.0814

Legend
4.18C = Crunch3r's Optimizied Application.
5.12 = Seti Standard Application.
-9 = Some AR that was too noisy and self aborted...
AR = Angle Range
CC = Claimed Credit
GC = Granted Credit
C/H = Credit / Hour
G/H = Granted Credit / Hour

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