LMAO...!!....touche...you outzingered me this time...but this time only...

'John'...lol....perhaps there is a cultural difference at work.

When someone is addressed by their last name here it is considered a sign of respect, not derision.

When someone addresses me as 'Brooke' instead of 'Robert' it means he respects my title, name, and so forth. The surname is the cultural title. Maybe you and I do not understand eachother
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Hmmm...I must have missed that class. Sorry Robert, but even though I use your first name, I still respect you. I just know way too many women named Brooke to call you that with a straight face. And I am NOT going to call you Mister either. lmao

As long as you call me 'Mr. Noodly' I'm content...lol

Ummm...again...I am not gonna call you Mister....lol Even if it IS Noodly to do so.

What would the Noodly version of Hell be? If I don't call you Mister is that where I'll be going? lmao

If you don't call me 'Mr. Noodly' you will be condemned to an afterflife inside my pants....this is horrifying to most people but the 'noodly people' wind up in heaven where there's a beer volcano and a stripper factory....lol

So...my afterlife is going to be consumed by a futile search for any kind of entity in your pants?
Meh. I suppose that works since I don't drink and I find watching strippers to be a pointless pasttime.

Might as well wander around in the nothingness.

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'John'...lol....perhaps there is a cultural difference at work.

When someone is addressed by their last name here it is considered a sign of respect, not derision.

When someone addresses me as 'Brooke' instead of 'Robert' it means he respects my title, name, and so forth. The surname is the cultural title. Maybe you and I do not understand eachother
edit--spelling

Hmmm...I must have missed that class. Sorry Robert, but even though I use your first name, I still respect you. I just know way too many women named Brooke to call you that with a straight face. And I am NOT going to call you Mister either. lmao

As long as you call me 'Mr. Noodly' I'm content...lol

Ummm...again...I am not gonna call you Mister....lol Even if it IS Noodly to do so.

What would the Noodly version of Hell be? If I don't call you Mister is that where I'll be going? lmao

If you don't call me 'Mr. Noodly' you will be condemned to an afterflife inside my pants....this is horrifying to most people but the 'noodly people' wind up in heaven where there's a beer volcano and a stripper factory....lol

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I think most posters here have 'mental health issues'...

Nothing like having the House Psychiatrist tell us that the majority of us are out of our minds first thing in the morning.

* keep in mind that I am READING the post in the morning *

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I think most posters here have 'mental health issues'...

I hope the 'alien visitations' were to be proven to be true...that level of fact would be outlandishly exciting....

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I apologise in advance for the length of this… but it is interesting…

Sleestak ..in reply

If the information that I've been digging up or the info from enzed is true

yes sleestak... what if ?...

judging by the conversations I have observed here over the last five or six years, you folk.... as in the collective "you" do tend to think more/deeper about lots of things... you verbally express yourselves well and demonstrate the ability to dig up info, raw data, facts, myths, legends, and I must say even the occasional bit of bulllshit realy well. From these observations I also conclude that as a collective group you tend to question, analyse, evaluate, explore, be sceptical, disect... etc most info that is spewed out by the "news services "

We all realise that almost any popular topic will by the nature of its own popularity also attract its share of cranks, nutters, etc so some of the data, info , theoretical happenings, events, etc will by inference be tainted with some levels of false data , imaginary, outright lies, deliberate deception, etc information... All this "additional noise" makes it much harder for those who would like to dig deeper into the "facts", to establish a simple honest and reliable baseline, against which we as a people can make an informed decision. Sorting the true from the un-true, the reliable from the un-reliable etc consumes enormous amounts of time.

so.... what if ..the info on ufo's was real

as stated we already "know" some of it will be false, the amount or really I should say more correctly the percentage that is false in relation to/against the percentage that is potentially true is what we are after... so using statistics. correlation, probability, heuristics, logistics, inference engines, and a few other models we try to reach an informed decision.

if the probability factor/balance should happen to result in a much higher probability rating towards "false" then we can assume the whole thing is untrue and not waste more time on it.. "however that by itself also raises many more questions"
why do people report being abducted ?... attention seeking , mental health..etc?
why do people see ufo's in the sky ?... new "secret" military aircraft, imagination..etc?

conclusion.. we have a sick society and definitely are not ready for deep space travel ourselves anyway.

if the probability factor/balance should happen to result in a much higher probability rating towards "true" then we can assume there is a higher level of reality to the data
which also raises questions… in fact for this particular subject a lot more questions than the result being negative

people do see them… and as a result they get discredited
people do get abducted… personally this one I have trouble with?? But we must maintain an open mind
Government(s) do know they exist.. but cover it up

WHY would it be covered up ?

To stop mass hysteria ?
To maintain a political power balance ?
To stop perceived Holy wars from suddenly?
To stop the whole fabric of society from falling to pieces ?
To protect the people?
To protect a balance of power?

BUT !!!!!!
IF they exist and IF there is a government cover-up THEN this is of a much bigger concern BECAUSE running the data over and over only produces a limited number of outputs,


1 THEY DON’T EXIST AT ALL

1.1
They dont exist and there is not a cover-up, it is a figment of wild imaginations and people with some mental health problems

1.2
They dont exist and yet there is a cover-up, the whole story is a diversion {either military or civilian, created to achieve psychological unease in the opposition, to create uncertainty and doubt eg a ufo crashed in roswell, the military collected it, the public cant see it, scientists worked on it,.. therefore the military have some “high technology” in their hands, therefore they are superior} but its all just a snow job… its all untrue.. so no side has an advantage of superior alien technology.

This one is your typical disinformation scenario.


2 THEY DO EXIST

2.1
They do exist and they don’t want us to know-
If this is true then in my opinion they have done an exceedingly poor job of hiding
What is their motives for wanting to hide in the first place {good or bad}

2.2
They do exist and they didn’t want us to know but we have “found them out”-
They have interfered in the affairs of mankind and quite frankly what else could they expect… unless they thought we were of low intelligence {slightly smart monkeys} and then theres the two crash sites to contend with, one covered up quickly by the military, the other one not.

2.3
They do exist and they want us to know-
Well..they don’t exactly make themselves available for inspection though..?
They don’t try to “talk” to the masses of earth ?
Where is the “mass contact”

2.4
They do exist and they have already contacted us-
Which raises the question of who they are talking to/with
And also why have they continued to talk only with these people/group

2.4.1
They do exist and they have already contacted us and they are negotiating

This seems harmless enough but there are two sides to the argument.

1 There is an equal and unilateral power balance between them and us
2 There is an unequal power balance between them and us

option 1 would be nice, because we don’t need to worry about superior technology or attitudes. So if they exist and they are communicating then the government would tell us so… wouldn’t they?… if not why not ??

option 2 would not be my personal choice because we are at a distinct disadvantage with technology, and a whole heap more things. So if they exist and are communicating and the government has not told us so then the only inference we can draw from this is that we are the ones in the underdog position and the government is running scared and wont say so.

...what are we processing on our computers?

I think we are processing data from aracebo radio telescope.
Otherwise the options are not very pretty at all. You tell me..

I believe this project started in good faith as a scientific endeavour to truthfully investigate the feasibility of radio signals from deep space , it has proceeded to act in good faith and hopefully will continue to do so.

If the aliens did follow our guys to the moon on each mission, why are we "searching for extra terrestrial life"?

All governments operate with budgets. You and I know of public departments that operate with the full sanction and obvious backing of both the people and government. We are also aware that some issues need the ‘black ops” approach in order to achieve the desired tasks. An then some divisions just don’t exist on record at all because they do work that can never go on record. It’s a fact of life and all governments have them.
If ufo’s followed our guys to the moon and then stayed and observerd them there, then it falls well outside the jurisdiction of any public department as to how to handle this. Seti would not be told about the reality of the others and must provide a public focal point for that “outer space stuff”. Rule 1 never let the left hand know what the right hand is doing… remember folks… plausible deniability must be maintained

Are we just slaves as someone mentioned? Are we monitoring potential threats to the local aliens that are involved in a war for the galaxy?

if we were then what could we really do about it…

The spike/triplet thing never made sense to me. Well, the spike does but it contains no information. We process only "blips" in time and are given data at random intervals, even if you download enough for 10 days now. BOINC went full swing directly after I received about 50 potential hits from 1 area in the sky. The hits were sequenced in time. An account of some of the data I found is here: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=24877 Intelligence found? In fact, this is what brought me to the boards.
A true transmission would occur in a span of time. Not "blips" in time. The real evidence would arise when there is a continuous emission.

I personally think the data is just taken off the tapes as is where is. Ok so we have data from 1999 being processed now, I don’t think this is strange, if I had just developed a tool for looking deeper into the data I definitely would go back to the beginning to ensure I had not missed something…

The human mind is a wonderful and also dangerous thing. We have this innate ability to sense and sort/sift input, we also have the ability to create totally fanciful junk and throw it out to the public. what I have just presented here is a short synopsis of what rattles around in my mind on this particular matter

Take it or leave it the choice is yours, I have presented arguments for and against

what do you think folks ?

'John'...lol....perhaps there is a cultural difference at work.

When someone is addressed by their last name here it is considered a sign of respect, not derision.

When someone addresses me as 'Brooke' instead of 'Robert' it means he respects my title, name, and so forth. The surname is the cultural title. Maybe you and I do not understand eachother
edit--spelling

Hmmm...I must have missed that class. Sorry Robert, but even though I use your first name, I still respect you. I just know way too many women named Brooke to call you that with a straight face. And I am NOT going to call you Mister either. lmao

As long as you call me 'Mr. Noodly' I'm content...lol

Ummm...again...I am not gonna call you Mister....lol Even if it IS Noodly to do so.

What would the Noodly version of Hell be? If I don't call you Mister is that where I'll be going? lmao

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If the informormation that I've been digging up or the info from enzed is true, what are we processing on our computers? If the aliens did follow our guys to the moon on each mission, why are we "searching for extra terrestrial life"? Are we just slaves as someone mentioned? Are we monitoring potential threats to the local aliens that are involved in a war for the galaxy? The spike/triplet thing never made sense to me. Well, the spike does but it contains no information.

We process only "blips" in time and are given data at random intervals, even if you download enough for 10 days now. BOINC went full swing directly after I received about 50 potential hits from 1 area in the sky. The hits were sequenced in time.
An account of some of the data I found is here:Intelligence found? In fact, this is what brought me to the boards.

A true transmission would occur in a span of time. Not "blips" in time. The real evidence would arise when there is a continuous emission.

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Perhaps I was ignorant. It wouldn't be the first time.
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What else is NEW?

Tread lightly H.B. We have been through the rules regarding personal attacks.

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'John'...lol....perhaps there is a cultural difference at work.

When someone is addressed by their last name here it is considered a sign of respect, not derision.

When someone addresses me as 'Brooke' instead of 'Robert' it means he respects my title, name, and so forth. The surname is the cultural title. Maybe you and I do not understand eachother
edit--spelling

Hmmm...I must have missed that class. Sorry Robert, but even though I use your first name, I still respect you. I just know way too many women named Brooke to call you that with a straight face. And I am NOT going to call you Mister either. lmao

As long as you call me 'Mr. Noodly' I'm content...lol

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'John'...lol....perhaps there is a cultural difference at work.

When someone is addressed by their last name here it is considered a sign of respect, not derision.

When someone addresses me as 'Brooke' instead of 'Robert' it means he respects my title, name, and so forth. The surname is the cultural title. Maybe you and I do not understand eachother
edit--spelling

Hmmm...I must have missed that class. Sorry Robert, but even though I use your first name, I still respect you. I just know way too many women named Brooke to call you that with a straight face. And I am NOT going to call you Mister either. lmao

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....
Perhaps I was ignorant. It wouldn't be the first time.
....

What else is NEW?

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When do men become an 'army'....

When they form a grouping of 135,000 or more. (In the strict sense of the word)
This is however variable and the Army can be plus or minus that depending on the speciality of the groupings (Brigades/Divisions and Corps - and depending on whether ther are Infantry [more men] or Armored [less men] )
Anything below 100,000 is regarded as a "Militia".

Oh...thank god we've got that mystery of the ages solved then....

I am sooo glad, RB, now you will never have to ask that question ever again!!!

hey sleestak... heres one for you...


This past January 30, 1996, WRXF-FM in Charlotte, North Carolina featured NASA scientist Dr. Norman Bergrun, whose book, "The Ring- Makers of Saturn," reveals that NASA's voyager space-probes of Saturn's rings took photographs of an elliptical (cigar-shaped) craft, length estimated equal to Earth's diameter, orbiting in Saturn's rings. Dr. Bergrun said that large apertures could actually be seen in the side of this craft.
Confirming data was published in the February issue of "Science News' (vol. 149, No. 5, p.71), which reported that the Hubble Space Telescope photographed a large elliptical "satellite" orbiting Saturn's rings. In a follow-up photograph, it had disappeared. Two other very big, very bright, orbiting objects were photographed May 22 and August 10, 1995, but by Nov. 21, had also disappeared. When asked why NASA had not managed to get a photograph of the huge craft previously, Dr. Bergrun said, "They have a tendency to hide." The NASA scientists said that this giant craft is apparently doing something, possibly exerting an attractive force on Saturn's rings.
When asked why NASA and other governmental agencies haven't released this information before, Dr. Bergrun answered that the 1958 Space Act states that the public will be informed regarding results of space photos and data only if it is determined that suit data are not a threat and that a craft this huge would have been considered a threat and deemed to have great military significance. Thus, it would fall under "top black-budget, military-intelligence agencies."
*Operation Right To Know, a civilian volunteer organization dedicated to ending the UFO cover-up, recently relayed an insider report that a military-intelligence agency now controls NASA.
by Richard Boylan from Perceptions August/September 1996
Operation Right To Know

considering this is YEARS AGO... what else has been photographed..

do we smell coverup ... or do we just smell...

Enzed,

I have not heard of this Saturn rings phenomena, do you have any online references or links/material??

It sounds interesting.

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When do men become an 'army'....

When they form a grouping of 135,000 or more. (In the strict sense of the word)
This is however variable and the Army can be plus or minus that depending on the speciality of the groupings (Brigades/Divisions and Corps - and depending on whether ther are Infantry [more men] or Armored [less men] )

Anything below 100,000 is regarded as a "Militia".

Oh...thank god we've got that mystery of the ages solved then....

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I did NOT authorize this belly writing!

hey sleestak... heres one for you...


This past January 30, 1996, WRXF-FM in Charlotte, North Carolina featured NASA scientist Dr. Norman Bergrun, whose book, "The Ring- Makers of Saturn," reveals that NASA's voyager space-probes of Saturn's rings took photographs of an elliptical (cigar-shaped) craft, length estimated equal to Earth's diameter, orbiting in Saturn's rings. Dr. Bergrun said that large apertures could actually be seen in the side of this craft.
Confirming data was published in the February issue of "Science News' (vol. 149, No. 5, p.71), which reported that the Hubble Space Telescope photographed a large elliptical "satellite" orbiting Saturn's rings. In a follow-up photograph, it had disappeared. Two other very big, very bright, orbiting objects were photographed May 22 and August 10, 1995, but by Nov. 21, had also disappeared. When asked why NASA had not managed to get a photograph of the huge craft previously, Dr. Bergrun said, "They have a tendency to hide." The NASA scientists said that this giant craft is apparently doing something, possibly exerting an attractive force on Saturn's rings.
When asked why NASA and other governmental agencies haven't released this information before, Dr. Bergrun answered that the 1958 Space Act states that the public will be informed regarding results of space photos and data only if it is determined that suit data are not a threat and that a craft this huge would have been considered a threat and deemed to have great military significance. Thus, it would fall under "top black-budget, military-intelligence agencies."
*Operation Right To Know, a civilian volunteer organization dedicated to ending the UFO cover-up, recently relayed an insider report that a military-intelligence agency now controls NASA.
by Richard Boylan from Perceptions August/September 1996
Operation Right To Know

considering this is YEARS AGO... what else has been photographed..

do we smell coverup ... or do we just smell...

When do men become an 'army'....

When they form a grouping of 135,000 or more. (In the strict sense of the word)
This is however variable and the Army can be plus or minus that depending on the speciality of the groupings (Brigades/Divisions and Corps - and depending on whether ther are Infantry [more men] or Armored [less men] )

Anything below 100,000 is regarded as a "Militia".

OK Robert - etiquette differences sorted. I'm off to work now, so let's bump this thread back onto track, eh?

Someone mentioned Google on the board earlier.

Which reminded me of this.

Is Google really trying to be a world dominating, lifestyle changing behemoth
as Microspoof has already become?

OK, JOHN...LOL

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OK Robert - etiquette differences sorted. I'm off to work now, so let's bump this thread back onto track, eh?

Someone mentioned Google on the board earlier.

Which reminded me of this.

Is Google really trying to be a world dominating, lifestyle changing behemoth
as Microspoof has already become?

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'John'...lol....perhaps there is a cultural difference at work.

When someone is addressed by their last name here it is considered a sign of respect, not derision.

When someone addresses me as 'Brooke' instead of 'Robert' it means he respects my title, name, and so forth. The sirname is the cultural title. Maybe you and I do not understand eachother

This is the first time I have noticed this difference between our two cultures.
Strange.
Using the surname of a person here is not so much derision, more of a 'de-personalisation' as in schoolteacher addressing pupil, officers addressing troops etc.

Oh...I have always seen it as a sign of respect. We refer to old homes as 'Smith house' or 'Mcaughlin house' and so on. Last names are formal and not used by people that are friendly. Only first names are casual. Perhaps I was ignorant. It wouldn't be the first time.

Regardless, when I use a last name (many countrymen do as well)
It is not to be considered as nothing more than a compliment..

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