First time on here since yesterday morning.........
OK - no vote, Sleestak to continue. Perhaps the Marilyn conspiracy
is a bit too 'murder mystery'/political for this thread....

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Not bad Sleestak...but there are a whole lot of physicists out there who are going to try to convince us that none of those things that Bob Lazar spoke of are even possible.

The common response is " there is no proof of those things being possible "

Ah, but using the NBC model (ala Dan Rather), there is no proof that it isn't true!

Now THAT one made me laugh out loud. I have been trying to tell people that for YEARS!!!!

You may not be able to prove it IS true....but ya can't prove it ISN'T either. LMAO

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Not bad Sleestak...but there are a whole lot of physicists out there who are going to try to convince us that none of those things that Bob Lazar spoke of are even possible.

The common response is " there is no proof of those things being possible "

Ah, but using the NBC model (ala Dan Rather), there is no proof that it isn't true!

Not bad Sleestak...but there are a whole lot of physicists out there who are going to try to convince us that none of those things that Bob Lazar spoke of are even possible.

The common response is " there is no proof of those things being possible "

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Sure, he described the spaceship a bit. It had almost perfect use of the energy release from matter-antimatter annilhilations. They had like 30 pounds of element 115 which is not found or producable on earth yet but falls in the island of stability for elements with certain number of neutrons.
Bob Lazar's Gravity Generators - by Paul E Potter

In 1988, he reported that the aliens came from Zeta 2 Reticuli.

In 1961, Betty and Barney Hill were abducted by aliens and taken aboard their spacecraft. During her abduction, Betty was shown a star map. She was asked by an alien to point out the Earth, but since Betty had no knowledge of astronomy, she couldn't reply. After her abduction, and under hypnotic regression Betty Hill drew the star map as accurately as possible. A few years later, Marjorie Fish built a few models of star systems using plastic balls and wire .. one of these models matched Betty Hill's diagram. The star system from which Betty had been told the aliens originated from was Zeta 2 Reticuli!
Home system of the Greys?

I would suggest watching the video, I got the set for around $5-$10 bucks from Best Buys. He also gives an account of an alien interaction that ends up killing the people in S-4 to make his escape. It sounded like a misunderstanding.

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Ok guys and gals....it's up to you where we go. Do we get into the Marilyn Monroe conspiracy...or go with the UFOs?

Myself, I think since John brought up Marilyn first,we can go with that and come back to the UFOs later on.

But I am going to leave it up to you as to where we go with this thread.

John, if the vote ( and yes, it is basically a vote ) goes in favor of Marilyn, please present the evidence that makes you wonder about a conspiracy.

Sleestak, in the event we go with the UFO Conspiracy, same for you, if you can produce something from the interview you referenced or some other evidence, please bring it forth for discussion.

* announcer's voice *

And now we leave it in the hands of our ever capable audience.

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The conspiracy that I would like to know more about it the UFO conspiracy.

Has anyone else seen the Robert Lazar interview on UFO: Top Secret or the other one UFO: Above & Beyond? He gives an impressive account of what he "understood" of the alien spacecraft he saw at the S-4 facility near Area-51 where Area-51 is actually there to draw attention away from the real facility of S-4. If he was lying, he was coached on how to lie. One theory suggests that he is a government "mis-informant" specifically to mislead the public from somehting else. If so, what is the thing, we are led from? Which is the real secret, S-4 or Area-51? If Area-51 is the big secret, why is it not situated in the visually secure mountain basin where S-4 is supposed situated? Is he legit? Can the tesimony from a child who saw aliens near Roswell with his dad be valid? Do they really have spacecraft?

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As recently as November 2005, the deputy DA John Miner who attended Marilyns autopsy has been
urging the authorities to re-open the case.....

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Hang on! Geeting back to 9/11 we need some closure!

So what are we saying?

1. 70 tons of Aluminium (note 747) pile into WTC I and II
2. 100 tons of fuel (with sulphur) ignites
3. Concrete re-enforcing from steel beams breaks down due to heat (30 mins)
4. Aluminium melts into large pools (possibly surroundind some support beams)
5. Sulphur attacks iron in beans, producing Fe-2-O-3 iron oxide
6. Iron oxide reacts with aluminimum (at heat levels) - thermite reaction
7. 2000C from thermite causes steel support beams to liquify
8. Building collapses

At the end of the day, it most likely depends on building design and we dont have any blueprints.....

I agree with 1, 7 and 8. As for 2-6 they are so far off the wall that they sound like something the "Office of Govt. Mis-information" (for the clueless it's a tongue in cheek spoof name) would distribute to an unknowing public.

4. Only small puddles would be required to catalyze the breakdown.
5. Sulphur was found in the iron oxidized to Fe(II)S along with Fe_2O_3. Sulphur is not responsible for iron oxide. Heat and oxygen are resposible for that oxidation.

6. other metals in the 7050 composite catalyzed the melting of the aluminum, such as a magnesium (upto 2.6% of composite) with an autoignition temperature of 510C which is below it's own MP. It would set off flashes of heat to initially melt the aluminum. Zinc, composing upto 6.7% of the composite, autoignites at 460 C which will set off intense flashes of heat. So, upto 9.3% of the composite is ready to explode when heated to 460-510 C.

7. As observed in the link film.
8. yes.

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Brief background.

Notice that the news clip reporter states that Marilyn was found.......'apparent suicide'.

I thought i went something like this

Marilyn made very public insinuations about her feelings towards the president (maddison square garden?)

After this, he refused to see or even speak to her again

She starts going a bit barmy, (note probably very depressed)

She threatens to go public with their various activities (obviously implicating others).

She commits suicide.

- I think she had wanted to marry JFK, but since she was a mistress how?! Finally realising this would never happend.... she snapped.

Of course if someone has a history of drug use (which she did) its a conveniant way to 'knock her off' if she is becoming too troublesome...

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This is how the world first heard of Marilyns death.....
Los Angeles Times, August 6, 1962

PDF file.

Thanks.

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Brief background.

Notice that the news clip reporter states that Marilyn was found.......'apparent suicide'.

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Did Marilyn Monroe really commit suicide?

Joe DiMaggio believed, right up to his death, that JFK had her killed......

Wow. I just realized that I have NEVER read any of the stories about that incident.

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Did Marilyn Monroe really commit suicide?

Joe DiMaggio believed, right up to his death, that JFK had her killed......

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We can move on...or continue. Makes no difference to me.

Any conspiracies anyone would like to suggest?

I agree about the facts brought up. I found out I am actually pretty clueless.....lmao

Robert, no comments from the gallery.

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Hang on! Geeting back to 9/11 we need some closure!

So what are we saying?

1. 70 tons of Aluminium (note 747) pile into WTC I and II
2. 100 tons of fuel (with sulphur) ignites
3. Concrete re-enforcing from steel beams breaks down due to heat (30 mins)
4. Aluminium melts into large pools (possibly surroundind some support beams)
5. Sulphur attacks iron in beans, producing Fe-2-O-3 iron oxide
6. Iron oxide reacts with aluminimum (at heat levels) - thermite reaction
7. 2000C from thermite causes steel support beams to liquify
8. Building collapses

At the end of the day, it most likely depends on building design and we dont have any blueprints.....

I agree with 1, 7 and 8. As for 2-6 they are so far off the wall that they sound like something the "Office of Govt. Mis-information" (for the clueless it's a tongue in cheek spoof name) would distribute to an unknowing public.

Agreed number 1, can we move onto the next conspiracy or... what??

Actually i enjoyed the debate on the 9/11 scenario, it brought out a lot of new facts and unknowns (for me anyway)......

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Hang on! Geeting back to 9/11 we need some closure!

So what are we saying?

1. 70 tons of Aluminium (note 747) pile into WTC I and II
2. 100 tons of fuel (with sulphur) ignites
3. Concrete re-enforcing from steel beams breaks down due to heat (30 mins)
4. Aluminium melts into large pools (possibly surroundind some support beams)
5. Sulphur attacks iron in beans, producing Fe-2-O-3 iron oxide
6. Iron oxide reacts with aluminimum (at heat levels) - thermite reaction
7. 2000C from thermite causes steel support beams to liquify
8. Building collapses

At the end of the day, it most likely depends on building design and we dont have any blueprints.....

I agree with 1, 7 and 8. As for 2-6 they are so far off the wall that they sound like something the "Office of Govt. Mis-information" (for the clueless it's a tongue in cheek spoof name) would distribute to an unknowing public.

Unfortunately, I don't think the name of that Office is far off. Sometimes it seems that the entire government takes us for a bunch of fools.

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Hang on! Geeting back to 9/11 we need some closure!

So what are we saying?

1. 70 tons of Aluminium (note 747) pile into WTC I and II
2. 100 tons of fuel (with sulphur) ignites
3. Concrete re-enforcing from steel beams breaks down due to heat (30 mins)
4. Aluminium melts into large pools (possibly surroundind some support beams)
5. Sulphur attacks iron in beans, producing Fe-2-O-3 iron oxide
6. Iron oxide reacts with aluminimum (at heat levels) - thermite reaction
7. 2000C from thermite causes steel support beams to liquify
8. Building collapses

At the end of the day, it most likely depends on building design and we dont have any blueprints.....

I agree with 1, 7 and 8. As for 2-6 they are so far off the wall that they sound like something the "Office of Govt. Mis-information" (for the clueless it's a tongue in cheek spoof name) would distribute to an unknowing public.

Repeatedly over the past several years on 'Whacky radio'. www.coasttocoastam.com has been an audio recording taken of 'hell' with people screaming in agony and torment. Supposedly this was due to Russian oil drillers. The new claim to this is now purported to be a hoax perpetuated by dubbers from very old horror movies.....

Just thought I'd toss this out as it has been bandied about as 'proof' of hell in earth and so forth...enjoy....commentary desired!

The Newsflash came from Coast to Coast as well. I heard it a couple of nights ago.

Personally. I never bought into that particular claim anyway.

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