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Message 319874 - Posted: 29 May 2006, 9:04:33 UTC - in response to Message 317762.  

I want to buy my nephew (who turned one year old yesterday) a nice bottle of alcohol that he will eventually (in 18 years) open and enjoy aged. I know wine is typically aged but is there any other type of alcohol that will age well over 18 years?


Hi Jeff,

So what did you get him - the suspense is getting to me!!
(And I might want to lay some down too)

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Message 319431 - Posted: 28 May 2006, 17:07:20 UTC - in response to Message 319427.  

Australian Table Wines

A lot of people in this country pooh-pooh Australian table
wines. This is a pity, as many fine Australian wines appeal not
only to the Australian palette, but also to the cognoscenti of
Great Britain.

"Black Stump Bordeaux" is rightly praised as a peppermint
flavoured Burgundy, whilst a good "Sydney Syrup" can rank with
any of the world's best sugary wines.

"Chateau Bleu", too, has won many prizes; not least for its
taste, and its lingering afterburn.

"Old Smokey, 1968" has been compared favourably to a Welsh
claret, whilst the Australian wino society thouroughly
recommends a 1970 "Coq du Rod Laver", which, believe me, has a
kick on it like a mule: 8 bottles of this, and you're really
finished -- at the opening of the Sydney Bridge Club, they were
fishing them out of the main sewers every half an hour.

Of the sparkling wines, the most famous is "Perth Pink". This
is a bottle with a message in, and the message is BEWARE!. This
is not a wine for drinking -- this is a wine for laying down
and avoiding.

Another good fighting wine is "Melbourne Old-and-Yellow", which
is particularly heavy, and should be used only for hand-to-hand
combat.

Quite the reverse is true of "Chateau Chunder", which is an
Appelachian controle, specially grown for those keen on
regurgitation -- a fine wine which really opens up the sluices
at both ends.

Real emetic fans will also go for a "Hobart Muddy", and a prize
winning "Cuiver Reserve Chateau Bottled Nuit San Wogga Wogga",
which has a bouquet like an aborigine's armpit.


My favourite for many many years has been Chateau Legopner.
Virtually every vintage has been bonzer.
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Message 319427 - Posted: 28 May 2006, 17:01:21 UTC

Australian Table Wines

A lot of people in this country pooh-pooh Australian table
wines. This is a pity, as many fine Australian wines appeal not
only to the Australian palette, but also to the cognoscenti of
Great Britain.

"Black Stump Bordeaux" is rightly praised as a peppermint
flavoured Burgundy, whilst a good "Sydney Syrup" can rank with
any of the world's best sugary wines.

"Chateau Bleu", too, has won many prizes; not least for its
taste, and its lingering afterburn.

"Old Smokey, 1968" has been compared favourably to a Welsh
claret, whilst the Australian wino society thouroughly
recommends a 1970 "Coq du Rod Laver", which, believe me, has a
kick on it like a mule: 8 bottles of this, and you're really
finished -- at the opening of the Sydney Bridge Club, they were
fishing them out of the main sewers every half an hour.

Of the sparkling wines, the most famous is "Perth Pink". This
is a bottle with a message in, and the message is BEWARE!. This
is not a wine for drinking -- this is a wine for laying down
and avoiding.

Another good fighting wine is "Melbourne Old-and-Yellow", which
is particularly heavy, and should be used only for hand-to-hand
combat.

Quite the reverse is true of "Chateau Chunder", which is an
Appelachian controle, specially grown for those keen on
regurgitation -- a fine wine which really opens up the sluices
at both ends.

Real emetic fans will also go for a "Hobart Muddy", and a prize
winning "Cuiver Reserve Chateau Bottled Nuit San Wogga Wogga",
which has a bouquet like an aborigine's armpit.
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Message 319360 - Posted: 28 May 2006, 14:37:22 UTC - in response to Message 319219.  

LOOK!! I am perfectly well aware that for some of you fuddy-duddies this might not be the place for this ... but it DOES fit in perfectly: ..............



I completely agree - and thanks for the words; I hadn't made the connection to F&S in conjunction with this topic, I must be getting slow!!

Of course it goes better with the music . . .

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Message 319231 - Posted: 28 May 2006, 10:41:58 UTC - in response to Message 319205.  

Gentlemen:

Can I interest anyone in a nice wine tasting form for taking your notes?

http://www.delongwine.com/news/wine-tasting-note-forms

And yes, Tigher, a "Wine, Fortified and Spirits" thread would be an excellent idea. Would you like to start one, or shall I do the honours?


Please do. No one visits my threads so it may do better from you.


Bravo Bodley, for the apt poem!

Tigher, some of my threads suffer the same fate. And look! There are 35 posts to this thread already, so maybe this is the natural home for your idea after all...

When Jeff is content that he's received enough advice on his purchase, he could just shorten the thread title to "Alcohol Connoisseurs".

I'm not lazy to start a new thread if the concensus is that we should. What do you think? What should we provide for the thread, if anything?



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Message 319219 - Posted: 28 May 2006, 10:30:24 UTC

LOOK!! I am perfectly well aware that for some of you fuddy-duddies this might not be the place for this ... but it DOES fit in perfectly: ..............

She was young, she was pure, she was new, she was nice,
She was fair, she was sweet seventeen.
He was old, he was vile, and no stranger to vice,
He was base, he was bad, he was mean.
He had slyly inveigled her up to his flat
To view his collection of stamps
And he said as he hastened to put out the cat,
the wine, his cigar and the lamps:

'Have some madeira, M'dear
You really have nothing to fear
I'm not trying to tempt you, that wouldn't be right
You shouldn't drink spirits at this time of night
Have some madeira, M'dear
It's very much nicer than beer
I don't care for sherry, one cannot drink stout
and port is a wine I can well do without
It's simply a case of Chacun à son gout
Have some madeira, M'dear!'

Unaware of the wiles of the snake in the grass
The fate of the maiden who topes
She lowered her standards by raising her glass
Her courage, her eyes and his hopes
She sipped it, she drank it, she drained it, she did
He quietly refilled it again
And he said, as he secretly carved one more notch
on the butt of his gold-handled cane;

'Have some Madeira, M'dear
I've got a small cask of it here.
And once it's been opened, you know it won't keep
Do finish it off, it'll help you to sleep
Have some Madeira, M'dear
It's really an excellent year
Now if it were Gin you'd be wrong to say yes
The evil gin does would be hard to assess
Besides, it's inclined to affect me prowess
Have some Madeira, M'dear!'

Then it flashed through her mind what her mother has said
with her antepenultimate breath;
'Oh, My child, is you look on the wine that is red
then prepare for a fate worse than death!'
She let go the glass with a shrill little cry
Crash! Tinkle! It fell to the floor
When he asked 'What in heaven?' she made no reply,
Up her mind, and a dash for the door.

'Have some Madeira, M'dear'
Rang out down the hall, loud and clear
A tremulous cry that was filled with despair
As she paused to take breath in the cool midnight air,
'Have some Madeira, M'dear!'
The words seemed to ring in her ear,
Until the next morning, she woke up in bed
With a smile on her lips and an ache in her head
And a beard in her earhole that tickled and said
'Have some Madeira, M'dear!'
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Message 319215 - Posted: 28 May 2006, 10:18:54 UTC - in response to Message 317762.  
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I want to buy my nephew (who turned one year old yesterday) a nice bottle of alcohol that he will eventually (in 18 years) open and enjoy aged. I know wine is typically aged but is there any other type of alcohol that will age well over 18 years?

I've heard whiskey doesn't age at all once bottled and I'm not sure if that applies to all similar products. Help would be much appreciated!!!! I need to buy a bottle today....

Many thanks!


Hi Jeff,

If its not too late, you could consider a bottle or two of Madeira Wine, after all, it is supposed to be the wine used to toast the Declaration of Independence, and was a big favourite of George Washington. It can be bought over the Internet from Madeira, and details, and a webshop, can be found here:

http://www.madeirawine.com/html/nindex.html

NOTE: I have no connection to this or any other supplier of Madeira wine, I just enjoy the country and their products.

Regards from England,
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Message 319205 - Posted: 28 May 2006, 8:53:17 UTC - in response to Message 318734.  

Gentlemen:

Can I interest anyone in a nice wine tasting form for taking your notes?

http://www.delongwine.com/news/wine-tasting-note-forms

And yes, Tigher, a "Wine, Fortified and Spirits" thread would be an excellent idea. Would you like to start one, or shall I do the honours?


Please do. No one visits my threads so it may do better from you.


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Message 319027 - Posted: 28 May 2006, 2:29:25 UTC - in response to Message 318582.  

WOW!
You live in the Margaret River Area?
You lucky man ...
[/quote]

Hunter Valley here... but we DO have a small collection of Aussie wines from all over the country.
Used to live in England, so I know a few Pommie beers

My taste has been honed on COLD Ozzie beers, though and warm UK beers have never taken off in OZ.

Not all brit beers are warm... Carling is best served ice cold
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Message 318936 - Posted: 27 May 2006, 23:37:03 UTC - in response to Message 318738.  

Simon ... NOTHING wrong with Carling for those who like it ...
My taste has been honed on COLD Ozzie beers, though and warm UK beers have never taken off in OZ.
The problem with this medium, however is that it lacks the dimension of "nuance". My repetitive " ... Simon ..." was, in fact, full of positive emotion ... Sorry! ... it just did not come out in print!
Apologies!

Ah good, so you won't be too upset when i say i like Fosters too :-)

And i agree, its easy to be misunderstood when all you see is text.
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Message 318738 - Posted: 27 May 2006, 19:05:23 UTC - in response to Message 318705.  

@Bodley, no need to be like that dear fellow
#318043 was fair point i hadn't thought about.
A little strange though to reply twice to the same message though isn't it?
And BTW, i happen to like Carling.

Simon ... NOTHING wrong with Carling for those who like it ...
My taste has been honed on COLD Ozzie beers, though and warm UK beers have never taken off in OZ.
The problem with this medium, however is that it lacks the dimension of "nuance". My repetitive " ... Simon ..." was, in fact, full of positive emotion ... Sorry! ... it just did not come out in print!
Apologies!
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Message 318734 - Posted: 27 May 2006, 18:58:48 UTC
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Gentlemen:

Can I interest anyone in a nice wine tasting form for taking your notes?

http://www.delongwine.com/news/wine-tasting-note-forms

And yes, Tigher, a "Wine, Fortified and Spirits" thread would be an excellent idea. Would you like to start one, or shall I do the honours?


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Message 318705 - Posted: 27 May 2006, 17:54:34 UTC

@Bodley, no need to be like that dear fellow

#318043 was fair point i hadn't thought about.

A little strange though to reply twice to the same message though isn't it?
And BTW, i happen to like Carling.
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Message 318689 - Posted: 27 May 2006, 16:53:32 UTC - in response to Message 318594.  
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I dont drink wine, too bleeding expensive, i stick to boddingtons or carling personally.

Simon, Simon, Simon, Simon, Simon, Simon, Simon, Simon, Simon, Simon, Simon, Simon,
... I got a BA (Hons) from Oxford, in "The Bleedin Obvious". This has been the first time in my 67 years that I have REELY been able to use my knowledge of the subject ...
If what you state above is true ... then WTF are you doing offering that jewel of advice to a guy who had a problem that had to be solved in minutes flat?
(btw ... I agree with Boddingtons ... although Brakspeare's Beehive was the best Beer in the World until it was bought out by the Biggies! ... As for a Lager ... Carling is even more insipid than Es99's Cat's p*ss. There is only ONE, repeat ONE Lager ... that is VB, VB, VB, VB. Coming from a Sandgroper that is praise indeed!!!!!!!
;-)))))))))


Not sure about Boddies these days...changed too much for me. Pedigree much better. Had the most excellent 6X yesterday though.....in Wilts. Wow that's still a great pint. As for Carling I always refuse it - prefer to avoid lager. Bitter is still king for me but decent stuff gets rarer.

If I were putting away a single I would do MacCallan. In barrels. They store it for you. You can have a part barrel if you want - various sizes. You share with others. Anyway they know how to keep it. Then they bottle it for you in 18 years or whenever. Wow!

If I look at the taste change calendar then Madeira will pop back and visit some time. Again that might be a good one to choose.

If you already did it.....do it again and make some money on it. But beware of Bodley's advice on environment. You can't just pop it under the stairs. Also if you are wanting to make money the specialists who likely would sell this for you will want to taste it to classify it and reassure bidders of its quality! So one bottle does not work! For wine, indeed, saying this really means you get at least 24 bottles!

I think we should have a wine, fortified and spirits thread to post tasting notes and make recommendations!




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Message 318685 - Posted: 27 May 2006, 16:43:36 UTC
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Well, dude, if your intention is to lie every time somone answers a question you ask, then your best bet is to ignore me.




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Message 318678 - Posted: 27 May 2006, 16:26:44 UTC
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DUDE,

You asked "who said anything about drinking it"

I answered....


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Message 318677 - Posted: 27 May 2006, 16:25:15 UTC - in response to Message 318676.  
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I dont drink wine, too bleeding expensive, i stick to boddingtons or carling personally.

Dear Simon ...
Who said ANYTHING about drinking it?

Ummm, the author of this thread.
"open and enjoy aged"

Where does that cross with what I have said?
Did I not say ... he can drink it OR sell it and buy whatever he likes ...
oh! dear!
The word was "quaff" ... I see a dictionary might be needed!
Please read the whole thread and use it in context.
This comes with NO ;-))
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Message 318676 - Posted: 27 May 2006, 16:21:30 UTC - in response to Message 318043.  
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I dont drink wine, too bleeding expensive, i stick to boddingtons or carling personally.

Dear Simon ...
Who said ANYTHING about drinking it?



Ummm, the author of this thread.

"a nice bottle of alcohol that he will eventually (in 18 years) open and enjoy aged."


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Message 318594 - Posted: 27 May 2006, 14:58:05 UTC - in response to Message 317999.  

I dont drink wine, too bleeding expensive, i stick to boddingtons or carling personally.

Simon, Simon, Simon, Simon, Simon, Simon, Simon, Simon, Simon, Simon, Simon, Simon,
... I got a BA (Hons) from Oxford, in "The Bleedin Obvious". This has been the first time in my 67 years that I have REELY been able to use my knowledge of the subject ...
If what you state above is true ... then WTF are you doing offering that jewel of advice to a guy who had a problem that had to be solved in minutes flat?
(btw ... I agree with Boddingtons ... although Brakspeare's Beehive was the best Beer in the World until it was bought out by the Biggies! ... As for a Lager ... Carling is even more insipid than Es99's Cat's p*ss. There is only ONE, repeat ONE Lager ... that is VB, VB, VB, VB. Coming from a Sandgroper that is praise indeed!!!!!!!
;-)))))))))
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Message 318582 - Posted: 27 May 2006, 14:43:33 UTC - in response to Message 318546.  

I dont drink wine, too bleeding expensive, i stick to boddingtons or carling personally.

When I read "Boddinton's", I thought: "This Earthling has taste!"
Then I saw "Carling" :(
On a brighter note, I live in one of Australia's biggest wine producing districts, and have been spoiled for choice since moving here! :)
I can't invest in wines, however, as I prefer to drink them! Polished off a bottle between myself and my better half last weekend... Capercaillie Merlot 1999. Excellent stuff. :)

WOW!
You live in the Margaret River Area?
You lucky man ...
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