I use only Top Tier gas/petrol...if you're going to polute, you might as well use the best!

A cleaner engine polutes less.

Which brings us back to my earlier comment about US auto makers taking new advances in internal combustion engines and instead of channeling them in to more fuel efficient engines that sip fuel rather then guzzle it they make bigger more powerful engines and bigger cars to go along with it. Again I still say nobody needs a car with more then 200hp yet I see cars being toted as 250-300+ hp. It's time to really raise the standards in the US and make it so that the car manufacturers have to make every engine with X amount of fuel milage instead of giving them an and average that they have to stay under over their whole product line. This ultimately is what has led to the monster that we call the Hummer. Then close down all the tax breaks which allow people to purchase the vehicle and write the whole cost off for a Hummer as a business expense. that is truly ridiculous...thanks again BushCo.

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The basics

Causes of climate change

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I use only Top Tier gas/petrol...if you're going to polute, you might as well use the best!

A cleaner engine pollutes less.

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Here's a list of institutes, foundations, and entities which are denying global warming/climate change for profit.

No strange fact that I don't (knowingly) buy my fuel from Exxon/Esso...
Regards, Martin

Don't forget Mobil is owned by Exxon! Personally I don't buy from Citgo, it is owned by Venezuela and it's the whole Hugo Chavez thing.

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Here's a list of institutes, foundations, and entities which are denying global warming/climate change for profit.

No strange fact that I don't (knowingly) buy my fuel from Exxon/Esso...

Regards,
Martin

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I just read this:
EXXON
Tullio

There's an interesting follow-on:
Congress to reconsider caps on carbon

The question is how far and how quickly. The USA has a long way to drag itself up from Neanderthal status...

Regards,
Martin

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Here's a list of institutes, foundations, and entities which are denying global warming/climate change for profit.

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"So, once you demonstrate humans are indeed warming the climate, you know the amount of future warming. This is where the greens (and Mr. Lieberman and Mr. McCain) made a major miscalculation: They assumed that once you could demonstrate a human influence on the Earth's surface temperature that people would be panicked into something like Kyoto. But, in reality, people are smart enough to know that a modest warming is a likely benefit, which is why they tend to move South as soon as they can afford it."

Posturing and Reality on Warming," Washington Times 10/16/03

Thanks for the link, I took a look and found this. While I accept, that people do have different points of view and even might not believe in global warming being a problem, I can't accept so much stupidity as it is shown in this statement when it comes to such a serious issue.

I just read this:
EXXON
Tullio

Yup, that's because they just got exposed recently in the media.

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I just read this:
EXXON
Tullio

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Just how much of the "Greenhouse Effect" is caused by human activity?

It is about 0.28%, if water vapor is taken into account-- about 5.53%, if not.

That comparison is disingenious and that site leaves out a lot of the story. All very deliberately misleading...


On Earth, we very much rely on a strong greenhouse effect to keep things as warm as they are. The problem is that Man's industrial might is adding too much to that warming.

Also note that there is a link between CO2 heating and the amount of water vapour in the atmosphere. We increase the CO2 and we then get an amplification as that then causes increased water vapour content.

See "The role of water vapor" for more details.

Also note that the proportions are not important. What is very important is whom adds just that little bit more that then tips us over into self destruction. What little extra CO2 is it that then tips the balance into catastrophy?


Next bit of oil sponsored FUD please?...

Human caused global warming is very real. Time to tell your politicians to get real about the heat! Ask them what they are doing and why, and now.

Regards,
Martin

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Just how much of the "Greenhouse Effect" is caused by human activity?

It is about 0.28%, if water vapor is taken into account-- about 5.53%, if not.

I just chose one of the sources listed in the index at random and found this. Another scientist who has sold out to the oil industry. I'll dig more it you wish?

And I might add that the US EPA has been packed with administration political appointments.

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I am qualified to teach special ed, physics and calculus if that helps. :-)

That must be a heck of a class to behold.

You have no idea :(

Got an inkling... :-(((((

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Don't drink water, that stuff rusts pipes!


You are making Proof out of Logic, by just being dubious! {Bluestar to me)

Just how much of the "Greenhouse Effect" is caused by human activity?

It is about 0.28%, if water vapor is taken into account-- about 5.53%, if not.

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And if you thought that the human induced CO2 increase in the atmosphere was drastic, just take a look at what has happened to CO2 in the worlds oceans:

The other CO2 problem

The chart there makes the 'hockey stick' atmospheric CO2 graph look limp.


We're not quite doomed yet, but we're a long way past the point of continued dithering and procrastinations.

Lobby your politicians, now.

Regards,
Martin

And don't for get the 'other' other CO2 problem Permafrost melt

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And if you thought that the human induced CO2 increase in the atmosphere was drastic, just take a look at what has happened to CO2 in the worlds oceans:

The other CO2 problem

The chart there makes the 'hockey stick' atmospheric CO2 graph look limp.


We're not quite doomed yet, but we're a long way past the point of continued dithering and procrastinations.

Lobby your politicians, now.

Regards,
Martin

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... But Eric's answer didn't include certain gases in the atmosphere (which are lacking in Martian atmosphere), including water vapor, methane, chlorofluorocarbons, and nitrous oxide which cause global warming as well as carbon dioxide.

If you wish to calculate the temperature increase for here on Earth, then you need only additionally add/subtract the warming/cooling effects of those various other constituents that you allude to.

The simple facts are that the greatest significant constituents are CO2 and water vapour. Especially note that the increasing level of CO2 also indirectly increases the water vapour content and so the CO2 warming effect is thus amplified.

All the carbon cycles on Earth have been very nicely kept in balance for hundreds of thousands of years and ...

And then came the industrial revolution that has for the first time in all that time upset the carbon balance on an industrial scale. The CO2 concentration in our atmosphere has proportionately increased in step with our industrialisation. ...

And I never realised that the good ole U-S-of-A was so stupendously bad!

This page summarises various greenhouse gasses, and also includes a chart of the world's contributors as of 1998.

Sure makes the USA look very bad... 24% of the generated CO2 for only 4.6% of the world population. Makes China look positively clean in comparison!

Just giving the USA some more recent more efficient technology may well push away the impending Global Warming problems by a decade or so. More than enough time to then fix the problem properly.


(Anyone for writing a MS virus to have the US missile command nuke themselves?)

Cheers,
Martin

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Contact your political representative now and ask them what they are doing to stop Global Warming. It'll be interesting to also hear what they comment.

You can even read what a British MP is saying on the BBC Climate Change Experiment.

http://bbc.cpdn.org/forum_thread.php?id=4656&nowrap=true#29100

"Climate Change ought to be one of the issues that interests all MPs, since if we ultimately fry it will affect everyone."

Yes it ought to be, but I doubt it is.

Then at least make a noise. Do something about it!

The more that politicians are woken up to Global Warming, the better the chances that something might get done about it. Preferably sooner rather than expensively later or too late.

Regards,
Martin

You are quite right Martin. I have written to my MP, Michael Gove, on more than one occasion. But not recently, so thank you for the reminder. There are links that can help you identify who your MP is in the UK, and can help you write a letter via web email, or provide you with constituency and parliamentary addresses if you prefer. I'm sure you can find more links and for the USA also.

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Contact your political representative now and ask them what they are doing to stop Global Warming. It'll be interesting to also hear what they comment.

You can even read what a British MP is saying on the BBC Climate Change Experiment.

http://bbc.cpdn.org/forum_thread.php?id=4656&nowrap=true#29100

"Climate Change ought to be one of the issues that interests all MPs, since if we ultimately fry it will affect everyone."

Yes it ought to be, but I doubt it is.

Then at least make a noise. Do something about it!

The more that politicians are woken up to Global Warming, the better the chances that something might get done about it. Preferably sooner rather than expensively later or too late.

Regards,
Martin

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Contact your political representative now and ask them what they are doing to stop Global Warming. It'll be interesting to also hear what they comment.

You can even read what a British MP is saying on the BBC Climate Change Experiment.

http://bbc.cpdn.org/forum_thread.php?id=4656&nowrap=true#29100

"Climate Change ought to be one of the issues that interests all MPs, since if we ultimately fry it will affect everyone."

Yes it ought to be, but I doubt it is.

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