Is there any sky map of the areas that have been covered by SETI so far? I wonder how fast that is changing now that CRAPPY BOINC is quickly outstripping Classic for getting work done IN AN UGLY AND INCONVENIENT (for the user)WAY?

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Never Forget a Friend. Or an Enemy.

The survey of the sky is probably the same, all the data only comes from one telescope.

The computational engine that is currently BOINC is over twice the size of what classic was at the time it was shutdown. It is growing by a few thousand machines a day.

IIRC classic was floating around 150 TeraFlops of computational capacity, but somebody who is more familiar with the classic numbers would need to speak up. As of today BOINC across all of the projects is floating around 396 TeraFlops. I looked up the stats from here.

Distributed Computing needs to be more than just each project running in isolation and being setup in such a way that the community feels as though it has to choose one project over another. People have diverse interests and generally want to explore several projects. BOINC provides compromises for both the community and the project administrators so that everybody can benefit. With one client any member of the community can contribute to any project they desire. Projects get an infrastructure that can scale up to what they can sell to the community. New projects do not need to develop a complete infrastructure on there own, they get one that works and doesn’t cost them anything.

Since the cost of entry for new projects is quite a bit less than before when they had to develop a complete infrastructure many more groups are willing to start up a new project. Proof can be seen in just how many new projects have started up in the last two years.

Several things are in the works to address many of the usability issues the client and server software face today. I think this year we are going to see a great many changes to address the usability gap and with that we’ll see a huge increase in additional hosts. I think we are going to hit 800 TeraFlops this year, maybe even more.

I’m pretty excited.

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BOINC Development Team, U.C. Berkeley
My Blog

I’m pretty excited.

The Cafe will do that to you.

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me@rescam.org

I’m pretty excited.

The Cafe will do that to you.

ROFLMAO

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----- Rom
BOINC Development Team, U.C. Berkeley
My Blog

Well, project developer Rom, nice answer for how fast CRAPPY BOINC is working. Hell, even a nice answer about

the usability issues

Guess enough people yapped loud enough. Thanks for actually listening.

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Well, project developer Rom, nice answer for how fast CRAPPY BOINC is working. Hell, even a nice answer about

the usability issues

Guess enough people yapped loud enough. Thanks for actually listening.

If Crappy Boinc is doing work on a faster scale, more convenient for project-side development, and is growing in the number of people doing work and overcoming minor obstacles, isn't that a sign that it isn't as "crappy" as before? Or do people not mind the smell?

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CRAPPY BOINC

Define what you think is crappy and I'll see if I can do something about it.

Unless you can define the problem space, I can't come up with a possible solution.

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----- Rom
BOINC Development Team, U.C. Berkeley
My Blog

Well, project developer Rom, nice answer for how fast CRAPPY BOINC is working. Hell, even a nice answer about

the usability issues

Guess enough people yapped loud enough. Thanks for actually listening.

Rom, may I introduce you to Chucky, the crappy cruncher and board troll and I might add his twin sister penny. They download a WU, then abort it, then another. They try to sound intelligent, but all the drival they spew are copy and paste lines from scientic journals found on the internet because they lack any real original thoughts of their own, much less any sort of native intelligence; it's all fake. Their computers are something one would find in a childs bedroom and not a scholar's. Their profile is as follows:



"Not every young person on the internet is an Enfant Provocateur; sometimes they're just a Net Rat. Net Rat spends countless hours in front of the computer and loves to play at being a grownup. Imagine your chagrin if in a love and romance forum you've been pouring out your anguish over a recent messy breakup with your boyfriend, or you have finally mustered the courage to talk about some particularly lurid desires that have been throbbing in your libido, or perhaps you thought you found a romantic soulmate on the internet only to discover that your hot cyber lover turns out to be in junior high. Even worse, in a serious discussion forum you may think you have succesfully faked a convincing understanding of Spinoza and later discover that the only person you have really managed to fool is still reading Harry Potter. Well, don't feel too bad about it - some Net Rats can be very convincing."

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Dogbytes, I just want to thank you.....

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CRAPPY BOINC

Define what you think is crappy and I'll see if I can do something about it.
Unless you can define the problem space, I can't come up with a possible solution.

Crappy trolls rant about what they do not understand. Those with multiple personalities rant with each other.

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I think it's a matter of "people do not mind the smell".

Once again, here are my own words.

Classic SETI:
Point-and-go; in terms of downloading work units and letting the program run.
Screensaver alot better, without moronic rotating.
Starrynight Plugin to update SETI position. (BIG plus)
Plugin to show results of work unit as well as all units completed. Far superior.

SETI on BOINC:
Instructions are about 'as clear as mud'.
Definitely NOT 'point and go'.
Lousy graphics not even worth watching for 3 seconds. Rotation highly annoying.
No found plugin for Starrynight software to update and disply SETI position. (HUGE minus)
No results plugin found either. Why should I even bother running program?


Now. Please don't bother repeating for the unpteenth time why SETI could only survive by being put onto BOINC. Nor how the plugins for other programs are hardly the responsibility of SETI. I'm telling you why Classic was far superior. Do with it what you want.

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You can always make your own plugin then by rewriting the SN Classic plugin source code. Or ask someone who can program to do it for you. Or ask one of the volunteer developers/programmers who roam these boards to look into the possibility of doing so.

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Classic SETI:
Starrynight Plugin to update SETI position. (BIG plus)
Plugin to show results of work unit as well as all units completed. Far superior.

SETI on BOINC:
Lousy graphics not even worth watching for 3 seconds. Rotation highly annoying.
No found plugin for Starrynight software to update and disply SETI position. (HUGE minus)
No results plugin found either. Why should I even bother running program?

Well the issues above are SETI@Home specific issues, not BOINC issues. I will however point out that classic did not start out with having all though plug-ins, it was people in the community who created them. If you really need them to feel good about using the software, come back in a couple of years when the community has ported all the old classic plugins to the new BOINC based infrastructure.

As for the couple of extra questions, we have something in the works for that. It'll help out with all the projects, not just SETI@Home.

At the end of the day, BOINC was born to benefit all of the distributed computing projects; past, present, and future. Now there is a framework that any scientist can plug into to get some computing resources that would have normally cost a few million a year on a super computer or mainframe. All they have to do is sell the community on it.

Participants no longer have to feel obligated to crunch for just one project or another, now they can crunch for as many as they deem worthy.

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----- Rom
BOINC Development Team, U.C. Berkeley
My Blog

I think it's a matter of "people do not mind the smell".

Once again, here are my own words.

Classic SETI:
Point-and-go; in terms of downloading work units and letting the program run.
Screensaver alot better, without moronic rotating.
Starrynight Plugin to update SETI position. (BIG plus)
Plugin to show results of work unit as well as all units completed. Far superior.

SETI on BOINC:
Instructions are about 'as clear as mud'.
Definitely NOT 'point and go'.
Lousy graphics not even worth watching for 3 seconds. Rotation highly annoying.
No found plugin for Starrynight software to update and disply SETI position. (HUGE minus)
No results plugin found either. Why should I even bother running program?


Now. Please don't bother repeating for the unpteenth time why SETI could only survive by being put onto BOINC. Nor how the plugins for other programs are hardly the responsibility of SETI. I'm telling you why Classic was far superior. Do with it what you want.

So you're not running any BOINC project then Chuck?

Dogbytes, what's the link for that site where you get the 'NetRat' pics and so forth? Thanks

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I did NOT authorize this belly writing!

I'm running SETI, but not nearly as often as I ran SETI classic!

Basically because BOINC is a pain in the ass, and utterly unappealing. I run it only when I specifically think I sould. Just check my credit for BOINC SETI - under 100!!! I'm not running it right now, and don't feel particularly that I must! Not like I felt with calssic!

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Never Forget a Friend. Or an Enemy.

Dogbytes, what's the link for that site where you get the 'NetRat' pics and so forth? Thanks

http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/index.htm