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Message 258189 - Posted: 6 Mar 2006, 15:00:23 UTC


find some interesting things here . . .

http://web.sfn.org/content/Publications/Guidelines2/index.html


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http://web.sfn.org/content/Publications/TheJournalofNeuroscience/index.html


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Message 273696 - Posted: 1 Apr 2006, 22:50:58 UTC


> another Thread of Suggestion

. . . Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation

" . . . research suggests that the technique, which uses a powerful
electromagnet discharge to alter brain activity, may also hold promise
as a treatment. Research indicates that those with depression and a
variety of other brain illnesses may benefit.

With continued research, many scientists are confident that magnetic
stimulation will help treat these illnesses and many others."

more . . .
http://web.sfn.org/content/Publications/BrainBriefings/magnetic_stimulation.html
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Message 274700 - Posted: 3 Apr 2006, 4:56:37 UTC - in response to Message 273696.  

Interesting as always nobody.

However perhaps it is also useful to ask why mental illness is so prevalent in us as a species - far more so than any animal. Are we constructed to a flawed plan?

Magnetics might renavigate the expression of such a maladaption, but perhaps genetic remanagement would be better. In this we should seek to design brains that were free from abberations in the first place, or to be tolerant of defects.

Mad cow disease exists and its effects are obvious - the other suggestion is that we jump to readily to subscribe a disease mechanism to bad human behaviour.

Isn't Saddam still on trial for the death of multitudes - did a mental illness cause this or did perfectly healthy people allow him to operate?



> another Thread of Suggestion

. . . Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation

" . . . research suggests that the technique, which uses a powerful
electromagnet discharge to alter brain activity, may also hold promise
as a treatment. Research indicates that those with depression and a
variety of other brain illnesses may benefit.

With continued research, many scientists are confident that magnetic
stimulation will help treat these illnesses and many others."

more . . .
http://web.sfn.org/content/Publications/BrainBriefings/magnetic_stimulation.html
http://web.sfn.org/content/Publications/BrainBriefings/index.html

Copyright © 2006 Society for Neuroscience


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Message 274704 - Posted: 3 Apr 2006, 5:04:01 UTC - in response to Message 274700.  

....but perhaps genetic remanagement would be better. In this we should seek to design brains that were free from abberations in the first place, or to be tolerant of defects....


I'm sure Josef Mengele would have agreed with you.

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Message 274714 - Posted: 3 Apr 2006, 5:39:37 UTC - in response to Message 274704.  
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More text would expand on this A/C

The way a brain works is intersting of course and we can simulate some of it on a computor with simple maths and an idealised model. I have found these to train easily on memory tests but never found any ability for complex problem solving - one theory is that a constrained memory net would need to make associations in order to give better answers than memory alone would suggest.

A net with 128 hidden nodes will easily remember 128 lessons, and do well up to about 300, then it gets a poor score. Three layers, 4, 5 etc and their is only a small improvement.

Well they are easy enough to play with and simulate, but the human brain, and the animal brain of which it's a subset have greater redundancy. We can loose neurons and still get by, so too can a net as I describe. But I read the brains of animals are "clustered" so one target neuron is actually a collection. We might need to loose a complete cluster of hundreds before an impairment would be noticed.

This raises an obvious question to those that can think - I suspect very few, based on personal anger at others when they cannot, how can a brain of very few total neurons, if diminished by 90% by redundancy do anything at all?

The human brain isn't very big - 1000*1000*1000 neurons for a small one. However it's difficult to simulate even 2048 neurons in a computor (a local control net) as it's a serial processor - a parallel processor would make this easy.

FPGA's are the best solution to do this - 2 million gates at 200 MHz is standard $5 component technology - but then I doubt that most readers here are educated in these matters, which is sad.

....but perhaps genetic remanagement would be better. In this we should seek to design brains that were free from abberations in the first place, or to be tolerant of defects....


I'm sure Josef Mengele would have agreed with you.


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Message 274981 - Posted: 3 Apr 2006, 18:01:22 UTC - in response to Message 274700.  

However perhaps it is also useful to ask why mental illness is so prevalent in us as a species - far more so than any animal. Are we constructed to a flawed plan?


Has it occured to you that the extremely 'generic' nature of human brains is what allows us to posess a high order of intelligence at the cost of aberrations? In some cases these aberrations are numerous enough within an individual to be obvious, but for the vast majority of the population they have 95% of a brain that is 100,000% better than a typical animal's.

The human brain is, if you'll forgive the expression, mind-bogglingly complex. The individual neurons aren't hard to model, but network effects tell us that effectiveness rises exponentially with the number of nodes. Until we have neural net processors with node counts within an order or magnitude or two of the mammalian brain, we shouldn't expect much intelligence from it.
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Message 274992 - Posted: 3 Apr 2006, 18:12:36 UTC - in response to Message 274981.  

Simple Octagon

Use a FPGA - google it if you want to know more.


However perhaps it is also useful to ask why mental illness is so prevalent in us as a species - far more so than any animal. Are we constructed to a flawed plan?


Has it occured to you that the extremely 'generic' nature of human brains is what allows us to posess a high order of intelligence at the cost of aberrations? In some cases these aberrations are numerous enough within an individual to be obvious, but for the vast majority of the population they have 95% of a brain that is 100,000% better than a typical animal's.

The human brain is, if you'll forgive the expression, mind-bogglingly complex. The individual neurons aren't hard to model, but network effects tell us that effectiveness rises exponentially with the number of nodes. Until we have neural net processors with node counts within an order or magnitude or two of the mammalian brain, we shouldn't expect much intelligence from it.


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Message 274998 - Posted: 3 Apr 2006, 18:24:10 UTC - in response to Message 274992.  

Simple Octagon

Use a FPGA - google it if you want to know more.

A gate is not the same thing as a neural node. I'm not conversant on the state of the art in AI, so I don't know how many gates it takes to model each neuron. A single in vivo neuron can be connected to thousands of other neurons, implying at least thousands of gates per neuron.

This wasn't really the thrust of this thread anyway. If anyone does work with AI, expansion on this point would be appreciated... but a side conversation by non-experts isn't really helpful.
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Message 275000 - Posted: 3 Apr 2006, 18:30:56 UTC - in response to Message 274998.  
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That's dumb Octagon

You get 2 million gates in a FPGA and lots of multipliers - you are out of the technology, obviously

Even I know how stupid you sound on this technology!

You should stick to the things you know and not pretend.

Simple Octagon

Use a FPGA - google it if you want to know more.

A gate is not the same thing as a neural node. I'm not conversant on the state of the art in AI, so I don't know how many gates it takes to model each neuron. A single in vivo neuron can be connected to thousands of other neurons, implying at least thousands of gates per neuron.

This wasn't really the thrust of this thread anyway. If anyone does work with AI, expansion on this point would be appreciated... but a side conversation by non-experts isn't really helpful.


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<*.> Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Laboratory . . . more

http://www.csail.mit.edu/index.php

<.*> Computer Architecture. [Very incomplete] . . . more

http://www.rdrop.com/~cary/html/computer_architecture.html

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Message 277592 - Posted: 7 Apr 2006, 18:52:48 UTC

Take a billion tiny transisters, shake it in a box and add a filler to hold them in place. Add a non conductive sealent to hold them all where they fell. Add voltages on the exposed leads and watch the outputs. This of course would not have any memory. Chemical storage memory must be quite complex. Perhaps a memory is and arranged grouping of neurons and nothing more. The grouping decays, the memory decays. Instead of sealing them all, seal small groups on occasion with a sealent that decays over time. Shake as needed.

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Message 278045 - Posted: 8 Apr 2006, 19:47:45 UTC


"A prognostic is the prediction of a future-failure event based on observation of selected precursors or test structures.
This is useful information for a comprehensive Prognostics and Health Management (PHM) System, where the system
can be programmed to monitor key areas of performance, and, if a fault is detected, take mitigating action as required
to provide continued mission success. By observation of specific points, advance notice of an impending failure can be
predicted on NASA’s systems, which can be deployed long distances away from earth."

"With remote systems deployed on other planets, autonomous operation enabled with electronic prognostics is very important.
Advanced warnings and mitigation of failures is facilitated using electronic prognostics that detect an impending failure before it
occurs. For example, there is a 40-minute bidirectional communication delay in Mars- to-Earth communications." . . . more

http://www.us.design-reuse.com/designplatform/structuredasic/
http://www.us.design-reuse.com/news/news12953.html
http://www.us.design-reuse.com/news/
http://www.us.design-reuse.com/esld/

/ Dolphin Delegation . . .
The Intelligence of Integration in a Team
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regarding the Topic - ". . . guidelines focusing on scientific communication"

" . . .By observation of specific points, advance notice of an impending failure can be
predicted on NASA’s systems, which can be deployed long distances away from earth."
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regarding the Topic - ". . . guidelines focusing on scientific communication"

" . . .By observation of specific points, advance notice of an impending failure can be
predicted on NASA’s systems, which can be deployed long distances away from earth."

I've just picked up a fault in the AE35 unit. It's going to go 100% failure in 72 hours.
--HAL 9000 (2001: A Space Odyssey)

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Message 283118 - Posted: 16 Apr 2006, 18:39:00 UTC

> Virtual Tools Add New Dimension to Learning . . .

< Internet-based resources educate students about archaeology, biology, computer science and geology

April 12, 2006

"An Internet-based education project at North Dakota State University (NDSU) provides a new virtual environment
in which high school or college students can learn about a variety of topics including cell biology, computer programming
and geology. One even runs the Oscar-winning software used to create the popular movies "Stuart Little" and "Toy Story II."

"The project's Virtual Cell (VCell) game, for example, allows students to explore the interior of an interactive 3-D cellular
world while learning about scientific methods and biological concepts such as respiration and photosynthesis. The game's
3-D graphics allow students the look and feel of moving through an actual cell or cellular component. Students are encouraged
to play the role of a biologist and examine cellular organelles, conduct experiments and form conclusions."
. . . more

http://www.nsf.gov/discoveries/disc_summ.jsp?cntn_id=106839
http://vcell.ndsu.edu/public.html
http://vcell.ndsu.nodak.edu/animations/
http://wwwic.ndsu.edu/

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Message 283125 - Posted: 16 Apr 2006, 19:01:50 UTC

> Unmasking Bias . . .
<quotes>
"It happens all the time," says the executive as the two walk away.

She suggests that the woman in the information booth probably didn't
even realize she was behaving in a subtly biased manner.

(For her part, the young white woman is too embarrassed to admit
that she barely took note of what happened until her new boss pointed it out.)

Psychologists have long suspected that a culture can imprint bias against stigmatized
groups so deeply on the human psyche that people are virtually unaware of it. Although
anecdotes like the above story abound, scientifically proving that unconscious bias exists
can be problematic.<end quotes>
. . . more
http://www.nsf.gov/discoveries/disc_summ.jsp?cntn_id=100297&org=NSF

< Project Implicit . . .
https://implicit.harvard.edu/implicit/
http://www.tolerance.org/hidden_bias/

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Message 283607 - Posted: 17 Apr 2006, 15:04:28 UTC
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sorry 'bout this one (duh!!!)

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Message 284022 - Posted: 18 Apr 2006, 7:05:05 UTC

Nobody.....few people read your links. You should really just post your links as backups for your own ideas. I believe most of your posts are totally ignored because of you just posting link after link after link after link after link and none of your own ideas. This has been pointed out at least 2 times before. There's even a 'Penny' type personality t ype written for you. Make your point and stick to it on your own grounds.
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I did NOT authorize this belly writing!

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Message 284086 - Posted: 18 Apr 2006, 10:18:47 UTC

~CLOSED~

> quote: Robert "There's even a 'Penny' type personality t ype written for you"

< don't understand your being this way - though since Feb 29 2000, i have posted in these boards - in the manner i which i do - which has been to "inform" others of things that i find interesting and as well 'topical'.

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