Thank you Paul for the Boinc Wiki, I would have been lost without it.

Thank you Paul for making your log files available. I will be hosting them on my SETI log repository for all to freely use and analyze. http://www.reubengathright.com/seti/

Ditto what Reuben said....

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Paul, I am very sorry to see you leave. As everyone has noted below, your work with all the BOINC projects has been a tremendous resource to us all. In many ways, you have been the heart & soul of BOINC (much moreso than even any of the BOINC developers!). I will greatly miss your comments in the forum and the logic that you always bring to discussions. I wish you the best of luck with whatever your next endeavor will be as well as with your health.

Best Regards,

Scott

Paul--thanks for your tireless efforts!

So, not much point in long explanations.

I wouldn't have minded the long version...even if there's nothing that can be done.

TG

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Paul,

Other people have thanked you for your contributions much more eloquently than I ever will be able to.

I, too, am curious, and would like to hear more of the story. I have only been reading the message boards for a couple of weeks, and only made my first post a couple of weeks ago, but I have been seeing some hints of what might be the source of some of your frustrations.

Good luck with your future. Thank you again.

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I wouldn't have minded the long version...even if there's nothing that can be done.

Re-read the Participant Rights and Responsibilities, remove the word hypothetical, insert project Predictor@Home.

You can still see (I think) the effect if you look at my account on WIlly's BOINC Stats.

For the rest, during Beta testing I told Dr. Anderson that the terminology for BOINC was not good for the general public and I could fix that. Now two years later ...

Benchmarking, credit granting, communication - here is a fun one ... look at the discussions on the Rosetta@Home board ... when the project first started I predicted that the communication with the participants would die off in 6 months ... sure enough ... oh, and the answer is that "we have too many important things to do ..." which tells you where participant communication is ranked ... and they are one of the good projects for communication

I could probably list 20-30 examples of my suggestions, suggestions by JM VII, John Keck, et al. all of which get no where. But again, citing examples is useless in that the people that could make a change or difference for the better cannot, or will not, see that there is a problem because they do not look at things from the perspective of a participant. They look at it from their perspective only.

Sadly, those of us that do have the participant's perspective cannot seem to make an impression.

Fundamentally BOINC needs leaders and what we have are dictators.

Anyway, if my life history shows me anything it is that I will never be back. To be honest, the changes required in the system to make it enticing for me again are so large that it is a virtual certainty that they will never happen.

Wendy, click on the link by my name and read back posts ... search the wiki for "Calibration Concepts" and read the discussion there ...

Anyway, I only dropped in because Jord asked me to look here ...

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Re-read the Participant Rights and Responsibilities, remove the word hypothetical, insert project Predictor@Home.

I concur about this project. It's been nothing but a headache for the past several months. I am now searching for something to replace it, but unsure who deserves it. I have removed most of my machines, and probably will remove the rest shortly.

As for other projects that I am on, I feel that there is at least some trying. SETI is overworked, but we see posts by the Devs, just not as timely as they could be. I have understanding about that from the corporate world, though. Einstein and CPDN are pretty good about keeping us informed. I am proud of those two projects.

It's still sad to see that you are going. I respect you, and your decisions. Undo stress is never a good thing and your stress level is probably overwhelming with the WIKI, and trying to keep contact with all the projects, their ideals, etc. Plus then there are the (ab)users.

Paul, I do not want to change your mind. I am proud that you are a pioneer and of all your work. Do what you need. Just keep in mind you have people here who generally care about you, and a note once in a while from you on how you are doing would be greately appriciated. Take your time before you come back to talk to us. We will miss you, but we will always be proud of what you accomplished.

Re-read the Participant Rights and Responsibilities, remove the word hypothetical, insert project Predictor@Home.

Where is that document to be found? I couldn't see anything in the BOINC or SETI "Rules and Policies" pages containing the word "hypothetical".

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here is that document to be found? I couldn't see anything in the BOINC or SETI "Rules and Policies" pages containing the word "hypothetical".

Link here.

Where is that document to be found? I couldn't see anything in the BOINC or SETI "Rules and Policies" pages containing the word "hypothetical".

It's been posted by Paul to many sites. You can find it in the cafe here

I am sorry to see that no one (in authority) learned from the losses 3 months ago. (this is sounding eerily like Deja Vu)!

Paul, you WILL be missed Sir!

I lost count of the MAJOR crunchers who followed suit and announced their retirement in this thread.

I have many of the same feelings, and have dipped my toe in FOLDING AT HOME which is NOT BOINC powered. I intend to keep my total farm running at Stage 5 Afterburner (SETI) until either we run out of work or I reach my goals.


Fare thee well all who are traveling on, wherever you may fare!

It is always sad to lose crunchers.

David

To all:

THE BOINC WIKI WILL CONTINUE!
BOINC WIKI
With negotiation between Rytis and I underway, we will bring you the BOINC WIKI, as long as we can sustain it.

In Paul's absence, I will endeavour to keep it running to keep the dream of all BONC Documentation together.

To Paul: Such a shame to see you go from this wonderful community, you will be missed.

Chris

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Benchmarking, credit granting, communication - here is a fun one ... look at the discussions on the Rosetta@Home board ... when the project first started I predicted that the communication with the participants would die off in 6 months ... sure enough ... oh, and the answer is that "we have too many important things to do ..." which tells you where participant communication is ranked ... and they are one of the good projects for communication

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Fundamentally BOINC needs leaders and what we have are dictators.
...

That is why I stopped crunching e.g. for Predictor a while ago. Anyways: Good luck to you Paul and thank you for your help.

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I too have dumped Predictor for the exact same reasons as Paul. NO communication, and telling anyone who reminds them that they have a problem to go away. That's no way to treat a user and I quit them for their "dictatorial" attitude.

I dont follow the politics of the various projects to closely. I have always found help on this site and others when needed. Except predictor - and its the only project that I know lost 2.5 days of crunching on 3 of my machines a couple of months ago. I'm sure others may have lost results but I dident realise.

I cannot comment on what is good or bad. But its a shame to see somebody leave who has contributed so much.

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I lost count of the MAJOR crunchers who followed suit and announced their retirement in this thread.
David

Other than Paul....who else retired?

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Paul, you have been a guiding light for many a BOINC participant, and surely your departure makes a profound statement about the sorry state of project-to-user relations. I wish you all the best in your future endeavors.

As David1339 said, there's a sense of deja-vu to this. We saw numerous crunchers depart when Classic shut down in December -- I almost called it quits then too -- and I see yours as the leading crest of a new wave, triggered partly by Berkeley's recent comments about running out of tapes to split and recommending other projects. I plan to stick around for a while yet; I still have a point to make, which is happening much more quickly than I ever imagined it could, and when that is accomplished, I'll probably let the room cool down for a change as well.

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Help keep SETI@home alive! Join The Planetary Society and crunch for our team!

No matter the reason this is a great loss to the comunity. I have used the WIKI OFTEN, Thanks, Paul for all the help.
Bye 8-(
Peace be with You.

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I Desire Peace and Justice, Jim Scott (Mod-Ret.)

I too have dumped Predictor for the exact same reasons as Paul. NO communication, and telling anyone who reminds them that they have a problem to go away. That's no way to treat a user and I quit them for their "dictatorial" attitude.

Then is the answer to say to Predictor that we all count. We all quit and discourage others from joining. This volunteer stuff is tricky. Its seems we get abused after we sign up. They ony want us for one thing!!!!!!! We are supposed to lie there and take it.

I have to say I am shocked at Paul getting on his horse and moving on. This is a big part of his life is Boinc. Really and I feel sorely tempted to say lets single out that one project that hurt him so bad and tell them what we think. They can't do it without us but they hate having us on board! Its those minority type projects that will suffer the worst. Seti has wide appeal but Predictor is a minoty event pursued mostly by Boinc regulars I guess. So to show them some solidarity around a decent guy like Paul may be easier than you think!

There you go I'm ^%$£%£ too now but hey so what!

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I too have dumped Predictor for the exact same reasons as Paul. NO communication, and telling anyone who reminds them that they have a problem to go away. That's no way to treat a user and I quit them for their "dictatorial" attitude.

Then is the answer to say to Predictor that we all count. We all quit and discourage others from joining. This volunteer stuff is tricky. Its seems we get abused after we sign up. They ony want us for one thing!!!!!!! We are supposed to lie there and take it.

I have to say I am shocked at Paul getting on his horse and moving on. This is a big part of his life is Boinc. Really and I feel sorely tempted to say lets single out that one project that hurt him so bad and tell them what we think. They can't do it without us but they hate having us on board! Its those minority type projects that will suffer the worst. Seti has wide appeal but Predictor is a minoty event pursued mostly by Boinc regulars I guess. So to show them some solidarity around a decent guy like Paul may be easier than you think!

There you go I'm ^%$£%£ too now but hey so what!

AGREE!!!

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I Desire Peace and Justice, Jim Scott (Mod-Ret.)

I too have dumped Predictor for the exact same reasons as Paul. NO communication, and telling anyone who reminds them that they have a problem to go away. That's no way to treat a user and I quit them for their "dictatorial" attitude.

Then is the answer to say to Predictor that we all count. We all quit and discourage others from joining. This volunteer stuff is tricky. Its seems we get abused after we sign up. They ony want us for one thing!!!!!!! We are supposed to lie there and take it.

I have to say I am shocked at Paul getting on his horse and moving on. This is a big part of his life is Boinc. Really and I feel sorely tempted to say lets single out that one project that hurt him so bad and tell them what we think. They can't do it without us but they hate having us on board! Its those minority type projects that will suffer the worst. Seti has wide appeal but Predictor is a minoty event pursued mostly by Boinc regulars I guess. So to show them some solidarity around a decent guy like Paul may be easier than you think!

There you go I'm ^%$£%£ too now but hey so what!

AGREE!!!

Yes, Predictor is one project where the admin treats the volunteers with disdain. I even have an e-mail where they suggested that Predictor may not be the project for me and all I was trying to do was suggest that a little feedback (well I was a little frustrated in my feedback) would go a long way. I continued on with predictor after that for a couple of months, but things got worse no better. So after the great credit debarcle where we returned wu's for days that all got lost with not even a small explanation of what was happening. That did it for me and I voted with my feet. I haven't crunched Predictor now for over 12 months.

Rosetta is also getting much less of my resource share than originally since there was no progress on the max_cpu_time issue and days of lost crunching for nada. IT WASN'T MY FAULT THE WU'S DIDN'T WORK.

We are volunteers and we can crunch where we like or in Paul's case not crunch.

Live long and crunch (if you want).

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Paul
(S@H1 8888)
And proud of it!