Dr. Chevalier

The machine that you have shows that it is running using 5.2.13 (returned workunits).

From taskmanager the 4.18 that you see is the Science Application... The Boinc Core Client you installed (5.2.13) version information can be found in BoincManager on the "Help" Tab. "About BOincManager"

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since the 'official' client is only @ 5.2.13
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php
why reco these? where are they? are they beta/test versions? are they 'official' releases? is it necessary to have a specific client that will eventually auto update or will boinc give you a message when the hosts running 4.xx - 5.1.x are no longer compatable??

I have 5.2.13 but when I do a Ctl-Alt-Del for the task list, I see Boinc 4.18 running. Whats the deal with that?
It been the same through 3 clients I have upgraded from.

Am I doing something wrong?

Please advise as I am running 9 computers with dual processors on differant id's.

thanks

doc

R/

Al
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Thanks for helping me out!

doc

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Dr. Dennis Chevalier, PhD, FIPC, CPPP
(Forensic Investigative Psychological Criminologist)
The Consortium of Scientific Investigation and Research (CSIR)
www.behavioral-sciences.org
psychologist@charter.net

For someone like me who never has a big cache (.1 days), is there any reson I shouldn't be able to stick with 4.19? I kind of like it's simplicity.

Just have a look here: http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php
The working version for Solaris is still 4.19, although old. It is still working and i will use it until they tell me, i have to change. I also don't like at all the new version, it looks awkward, tremendous and horrible to me :P

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Aloha, Uli

since the 'official' client is only @ 5.2.13
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php
why reco these? where are they? are they beta/test versions? are they 'official' releases? is it necessary to have a specific client that will eventually auto update or will boinc give you a message when the hosts running 4.xx - 5.1.x are no longer compatable??

Please note that the minimum version for some features is 5.2.8. It is still available, just not as the "recommended" which is at 5.2.13. Some people have valid reasons to run older versions. The lowest version that supports flops-counting is (I think) 5.2.6.

There is no auto-update for BOINC - only SETI and the other project science applications. Auto-updating BOINC itself could be a security risk.

There was never a BOINC V5.1.x, other than development versions; similarly, the 5.3.x are current development versions. Even middle digits = released versions (mostly).

I referenced the older versions mainly so that someone already running that or later would know there is not currently a reason to upgrade farther in my opinion.

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BOINC WIKI

BOINCing since 2002/12/8

since the 'official' client is only @ 5.2.13
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php
why reco these? where are they? are they beta/test versions? are they 'official' releases? is it necessary to have a specific client that will eventually auto update or will boinc give you a message when the hosts running 4.xx - 5.1.x are no longer compatable??

Please note that the minimum version for some features is 5.2.8. It is still available, just not as the "recommended" which is at 5.2.13. Some people have valid reasons to run older versions. The lowest version that supports flops-counting is (I think) 5.2.6.

There is no auto-update for BOINC - only SETI and the other project science applications. Auto-updating BOINC itself could be a security risk.

There was never a BOINC V5.1.x, other than development versions; similarly, the 5.3.x are current development versions. Even middle digits = released versions (mostly).

Maybe the Boinc Manager is the 5- series and the Boinc Daemon is the 4- series. ¡Qué confusión!

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I have 5.2.13 but when I do a Ctl-Alt-Del for the task list, I see Boinc 4.18 running. Whats the deal with that?
It been the same through 3 clients I have upgraded from.

Am I doing something wrong?

Please advise as I am running 9 computers with dual processors on differant id's.

thanks

doc

Look more closely, I think what you will see running is the SETI 4.18 science application, not the BOINC management framework.

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Dr. Chevalier

The machine that you have shows that it is running using 5.2.13 (returned workunits).

From taskmanager the 4.18 that you see is the Science Application... The Boinc Core Client you installed (5.2.13) version information can be found in BoincManager on the "Help" Tab. "About BOincManager"

{quote]
since the 'official' client is only @ 5.2.13
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php
why reco these? where are they? are they beta/test versions? are they 'official' releases? is it necessary to have a specific client that will eventually auto update or will boinc give you a message when the hosts running 4.xx - 5.1.x are no longer compatable??

I have 5.2.13 but when I do a Ctl-Alt-Del for the task list, I see Boinc 4.18 running. Whats the deal with that?
It been the same through 3 clients I have upgraded from.

Am I doing something wrong?

Please advise as I am running 9 computers with dual processors on differant id's.

thanks

doc[/quote]

R/

Al

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Please consider a Donation to the Seti Project.

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But, when Seti_Enhanced is "soon" released, it's in users own interest to upgrade to v5.2.6 or later, to get consistent claimed credit...
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I recommend updating to at least 5.2.8. Right now that is the latest version with a fix that effects everyone. The versions after that have all been communications issues fixes, if you are not having problems there is no need to upgrade farther.
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since the 'official' client is only @ 5.2.13
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php
why reco these? where are they? are they beta/test versions? are they 'official' releases? is it necessary to have a specific client that will eventually auto update or will boinc give you a message when the hosts running 4.xx - 5.1.x are no longer compatable??

I have 5.2.13 but when I do a Ctl-Alt-Del for the task list, I see Boinc 4.18 running. Whats the deal with that?
It been the same through 3 clients I have upgraded from.

Am I doing something wrong?

Please advise as I am running 9 computers with dual processors on differant id's.

thanks

doc

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Dr. Dennis Chevalier, PhD, FIPC, CPPP
(Forensic Investigative Psychological Criminologist)
The Consortium of Scientific Investigation and Research (CSIR)
www.behavioral-sciences.org
psychologist@charter.net

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But, when Seti_Enhanced is "soon" released, it's in users own interest to upgrade to v5.2.6 or later, to get consistent claimed credit...
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******************************
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I recommend updating to at least 5.2.8. Right now that is the latest version with a fix that effects everyone. The versions after that have all been communications issues fixes, if you are not having problems there is no need to upgrade farther.
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since the 'official' client is only @ 5.2.13
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download.php
why reco these? where are they? are they beta/test versions? are they 'official' releases? is it necessary to have a specific client that will eventually auto update or will boinc give you a message when the hosts running 4.xx - 5.1.x are no longer compatable??

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Every Dog Has His Day...I Wonder If I've Had Mine Yet?

You will need BOINC v5.2.x to use an Account Management System when they become available. You'll need v5.2.3 minimum to use a full featured AMS.

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Join team BOINCstats

BOINC View has a small bug where if it thinks the log file is corrupted it will not add more results into it. So, yes you can "lose" some work units. Since I roll my logs on a weekly basis this does not hit me too badly. If it is not adding them, shut it down, rename the log and restart it and it will create a new log, I THINK it will then "post" all the ones it had pending ...

The next version should have logging to a MySQL database which, in theory, will improve matters. Though I will have to figure out how to do replication from where BOINCView logs to another database where I can play with the numbers more easily.

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BOINC is an evolving project.
Sooner or later a feature you really want or must have will come along. That or a new project or updated SETI that requires a specific higher version will appear.

One day you will have to update so perhaps you need to just go with thye flow now.

that's also why everything is moduler, so that you can have 3rd party GUI apps, instead of the standard/stock one

But the 3rd party apps (like BOINCView) also need updating to support new functionality in BOINC. e.g. you need BOINCView 1.2.2 or later for BOINC 5 support.

The OP was specifically referring to liking the 'look' of BOINCMgr 4.x. Eventually he will need a BOINC > 4.x and BOINC and BOINCMgr come as a pair.

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Just as a point of reference for Matt:

I was in the same place you are - that is, asking
"should I take the plunge beyond 4.19", when it was
doing just fine. Never did any of the 4.x's above that.
Sat back and just watched all the bugs of those higher
4.x's go by.

I too didn't like BV dropping some of the completed units
from it's log.

Finally did take the plunge into 5.2.x (I think maybe .2 to
start, recently upgraded to .13). I got 3 things from it:

I was worried about the
prospect of being too far behind when mandatory changes come
along (perhaps with enhanced, but I don't really know). Maybe
some big problem would arise, or I'd have to rush into it.

I got the result duration correction factor which really simplified
the cache size worry - my machines run a spread of < .5 to almost
1.0. Now I can give it just a single, real real-time number. But
maybe if you sit at .1, you don't care. I do bigger caches than you.

I got to upgrade BoincView (1.2.2), and I think this has fixed the
missed completed result problem.

Since I was using BV before 5.2.x, I haven't really even looked at
the BoincMgr - I don't even start it. BV is great for monitoring
multiple machines, and the current versions are a bit better than
the one that works with 4.19.

So, anyway, in my situation I've had no ill effects from going 4.19 to
5.2.13, here in my SETI-only world of slow computers. Don't know if
the same opinion would hold in the multi-project case. Just my $.02,
and worth every penny.

Dave

BOINC is an evolving project.
Sooner or later a feature you really want or must have will come along. That or a new project or updated SETI that requires a specific higher version will appear.

One day you will have to update so perhaps you need to just go with thye flow now.

that's also why everything is moduler, so that you can have 3rd party GUI apps, instead of the standard/stock one

BOINC is an evolving project.
Sooner or later a feature you really want or must have will come along. That or a new project or updated SETI that requires a specific higher version will appear.

One day you will have to update so perhaps you need to just go with thye flow now.

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The benchmarks were definatly changed after 4.19, I'm not sure if there were any major changes after that.

4.45 (and several around it) had the return results immediately bug that would often cause the logging programs to miss workunits or miss the final status. The new version will normally let work sit around in the 'ready to report' state long enough for the loggers to spot it.

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BOINC WIKI

BOINCing since 2002/12/8

I've tried BoincView in the past, but I'm a perfectionist, and sometimes BoincView doesn't log a work unit in its logs. That bugs the heck out of me and made me stop using it.

well, don't have it log any, then it's just an improved manager :)
but the newer versions are much improved over the old(er) ones

I've tried BoincView in the past, but I'm a perfectionist, and sometimes BoincView doesn't log a work unit in its logs. That bugs the heck out of me and made me stop using it.

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Where there some changes in the methods of the version 5 benchmarks ? - On my test I noticed that dhrystone and whetstone are 30 % lower than on version 4.x.
Also I noticed that the benchmark is not impactable by the compiler optimisations.

yes there are, at least for multi-CPU hosts, i noticed quote a large increase in both, and my claimed credit rose to what it should be too ;)

I always had the or one of the lowest claims of credit, and my multi-CPU host is a dual 3.06GHz Xeon machine,

so it's well worth upgrading as you'll also get nice features like the result duration correction factor, and networking improvements too,

like i said previously, if it's just for GUI/cosmetic reasons then use BoincView

But, when Seti_Enhanced is "soon" released, it's in users own interest to upgrade to v5.2.6 or later, to get consistent claimed credit...

Where there some changes in the methods of the version 5 benchmarks ? - On my test I noticed that dhrystone and whetstone are 30 % lower than on version 4.x.
Also I noticed that the benchmark is not impactable by the compiler optimisations.

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