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Message 176320 - Posted: 10 Oct 2005, 17:54:20 UTC

i dont want to see this msg anymore ;[
"Suspending computation and network activity - user is active"
THERE IS NO ACTIVITY ON MY PC ;[ i killed EVERYTHING only BOINC with SETI is runnig... actually NOT runnig, because "Suspending computation and network activity - user is active"
i have EVERYTHING set the RIGHT way, and as i can see, i am not the only one who has this problem... is there any way how to solve this??? patch? new version?? i can compute like this ;[
thanx lot for help...
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Message 176324 - Posted: 10 Oct 2005, 17:58:45 UTC - in response to Message 176320.  

i dont want to see this msg anymore ;[
"Suspending computation and network activity - user is active"
THERE IS NO ACTIVITY ON MY PC ;[ i killed EVERYTHING only BOINC with SETI is runnig... actually NOT runnig, because "Suspending computation and network activity - user is active"
i have EVERYTHING set the RIGHT way, and as i can see, i am not the only one who has this problem... is there any way how to solve this??? patch? new version?? i can compute like this ;[
thanx lot for help...
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On the SETI website, Go to Your Account / Preferences - View or Edit General Preferences.

Set "Do work while computer is in use?" to Yes. Save your revised preferences.

Open the BOINC manager. On the "Work" tab, select Seti@Home and hit "Update." Your new preferences should take effect at once. If you don't Update, they'll take effect the next time BOINC 'reports in.'

In this case "User is active" means user is doing anything at all. Otherwise it only runs in screen-saver mode, which is apparently not what you want.
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Message 176325 - Posted: 10 Oct 2005, 17:59:30 UTC
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On the setiathome website, go to your account, general preferences, edit, and change "Do work while computer is in use?" from "no" to "yes"...

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Message 176329 - Posted: 10 Oct 2005, 18:06:39 UTC - in response to Message 176324.  

i dont want to see this msg anymore ;[
"Suspending computation and network activity - user is active"
THERE IS NO ACTIVITY ON MY PC ;[ i killed EVERYTHING only BOINC with SETI is runnig... actually NOT runnig, because "Suspending computation and network activity - user is active"
i have EVERYTHING set the RIGHT way, and as i can see, i am not the only one who has this problem... is there any way how to solve this??? patch? new version?? i can compute like this ;[
thanx lot for help...
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On the SETI website, Go to Your Account / Preferences - View or Edit General Preferences.

Set "Do work while computer is in use?" to Yes. Save your revised preferences.

Open the BOINC manager. On the "Work" tab, select Seti@Home and hit "Update." Your new preferences should take effect at once. If you don't Update, they'll take effect the next time BOINC 'reports in.'

In this case "User is active" means user is doing anything at all. Otherwise it only runs in screen-saver mode, which is apparently not what you want.


no no, this is not it, my BOINC doesnt work even in screensaver mode, it just tri to run calculation but it stops exactly when it starts with msg:
"Suspending computation and network activity - user is active"
and i dont want to calculate all the time, BUT only "while computer is NOT in use"
For example, i have set to calculate after computer is 1min idle, oki, but after 1 min of inactivity, it starts to work and stops the same time with
msg "Suspending computation and network activity - user is active"
The same problem when runnig screensaver mode, it starts to calc, ie 3sec of graphics is shown and then it stops and only BOINC star and text - BOINC is suspended is shown ;[
I think this is problem of many people as i can see in forum posts... but i cant find solution ;[

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Message 176334 - Posted: 10 Oct 2005, 18:12:39 UTC - in response to Message 176320.  
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i dont want to see this msg anymore ;[
"Suspending computation and network activity - user is active"
THERE IS NO ACTIVITY ON MY PC ;[ i killed EVERYTHING only BOINC with SETI is runnig... actually NOT runnig, because "Suspending computation and network activity - user is active"
i have EVERYTHING set the RIGHT way, and as i can see, i am not the only one who has this problem... is there any way how to solve this??? patch? new version?? i can compute like this ;[
thanx lot for help...
VictorC


As some others already have mentioned make sure your preferences is configured with "Do work while computer is in use?" to Yes.

Also make sure you're using the correct "venue", if you aren't running latest client-version it's also possible you've stumbled on a bug there venue is only set if it's been changed, so maybe you're currently running as default venue.

If you do want to only crunch after some idle-time, there's also been some bugs that this only works if you've not got any venue-preferences at all...


Hmm, if the preferences are set as they should, maybe you can try v5.1.9, even it's an alpha-version, and see if it works as it should... Note, v5.1.9 doesn't neccesarily work in all projects, so use at own risk. If you don't want to try an alpha-build, v5.2.x is expected released later this week...
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Message 176336 - Posted: 10 Oct 2005, 18:19:42 UTC - in response to Message 176334.  

i dont want to see this msg anymore ;[
"Suspending computation and network activity - user is active"
THERE IS NO ACTIVITY ON MY PC ;[ i killed EVERYTHING only BOINC with SETI is runnig... actually NOT runnig, because "Suspending computation and network activity - user is active"
i have EVERYTHING set the RIGHT way, and as i can see, i am not the only one who has this problem... is there any way how to solve this??? patch? new version?? i can compute like this ;[
thanx lot for help...
VictorC


As some others already have mentioned make sure your preferences is configured with "Do work while computer is in use?" to Yes.

Also make sure you're using the correct "venue", if you aren't running latest client-version it's also possible you've stumbled on a bug there venue is only set if it's been changed, so maybe you're currently running as default venue.

If you do want to only crunch after some idle-time, there's also been some bugs that this only works if you've not got any venues at all...


Hmm, if the preferences are set as they should, maybe you can try v5.1.9, even it's an alpha-version, and see if it works as it should... Note, v5.1.9 doesn't neccesarily work in all projects, so use at own risk. If you don't want to try an alpha-build, v5.2.x is expected released later this week...


as everybody said many times! I dont want to calculate all the time, BUT only "while computer is NOT in use"!!!! so why should i turn this option to "yes"????
I try alpha, i hope it will help... i never have problems with old SETI@home vers so i am quite unhappy about it ;[[[[
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Message 176346 - Posted: 10 Oct 2005, 18:31:15 UTC

your just been a pain in the ass and not listneting to what people tell you
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Message 176360 - Posted: 10 Oct 2005, 18:51:21 UTC

Now now Halifax......

If you are not touching the KB, mouse or Jstick then some program is telling Boinc User is active, first turn screen off and see what happens.....
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Message 176362 - Posted: 10 Oct 2005, 18:55:09 UTC - in response to Message 176336.  

I dont want to calculate all the time, BUT only "while computer is NOT in use"!!!! so why should i turn this option to "yes"????

You should turn it to "yes" because it will not harm you.
The Boinc process has the lowest possible process priority, which means, it is almost like the idle process (yes, 'even 'idle' is a process).
That means that all other things going on are priorized. You won't even notice that BOINC runs in the background when you use your computer.
There could at the most be a slight problem if your computer is low in memory, but then you'd have difficulties anyway sooner or later...

That's why you should.

But anyone to his gusto. You may have your reasons.
If you really want it to run only in idle mode and it won't work with the current version, I suggest as well to give it a try with 5.1.9.

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Message 176363 - Posted: 10 Oct 2005, 18:55:24 UTC - in response to Message 176346.  

your just been a pain in the ass and not listneting to what people tell you

Technically you all aren't listening to him... He is saying that he only wants the computer to crunch when it is idle. Hence the "Do work while computer is in use?" setting SHOULD be set to "no". But he is saying that even when the computer IS idle, it isn't crunching. I have seen a few scattered reports of this problem. I may try playing with my preferences tonight and see if I can duplicate it. I have never used this setting since seti doesn't affect the usability of my computer. But some people may have their reasons for not wanting seti to run while they are using the computer. That is why the setting is there.
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Message 176365 - Posted: 10 Oct 2005, 18:59:59 UTC - in response to Message 176363.  

your just been a pain in the ass and not listneting to what people tell you

Technically you all aren't listening to him... He is saying that he only wants the computer to crunch when it is idle. Hence the "Do work while computer is in use?" setting SHOULD be set to "no". But he is saying that even when the computer IS idle, it isn't crunching. I have seen a few scattered reports of this problem. I may try playing with my preferences tonight and see if I can duplicate it. I have never used this setting since seti doesn't affect the usability of my computer. But some people may have their reasons for not wanting seti to run while they are using the computer. That is why the setting is there.


Thanx lot to barbarossa and Toby, thats EXACTLY what i am trying to do, calculate only when my computer IS idle ;] well, i tried to set it to "yes" but it all the time shows 100% of CPU and thats what i dont want. Well i try the new alpha, maybe it can help, thanx lot!
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Message 176367 - Posted: 10 Oct 2005, 19:04:49 UTC - in response to Message 176365.  

Thanx lot to barbarossa and Toby, thats EXACTLY what i am trying to do, calculate only when my computer IS idle ;] well, i tried to set it to "yes" but it all the time shows 100% of CPU and thats what i dont want. Well i try the new alpha, maybe it can help, thanx lot!

Yes, it will show 100% CPU usage - but only if you aren't doing anything else with the computer. If you start up a program that needs the CPU seti will immediately give up as many CPU cycles as the other program wants. You should notice no "lag" whatsoever. I even leave it running while I play games. As I said above, it is your choice but the 100% cpu usage won't hurt anything or slow you down.
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Message 176370 - Posted: 10 Oct 2005, 19:14:13 UTC

Victor,

I run BOINC on my PowerMac, MySQL database for local work, and lots of other things, including iTunes while working to play music (I know, cuts into the CPU time something awful), and I never miss a note, and the two CPUs don't have idle hands to get them in trouble ...

So, unless it is just a "feeling" you can't get used to, I would suggest trying to let BOINC run while you work. Most people never notice it. However, some do.

Just some thoughts. Though you are right, it should do what you elected and yes, as others have said, there are a couple problems ... :(
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Message 176373 - Posted: 10 Oct 2005, 19:19:23 UTC - in response to Message 176365.  
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Thanx lot to barbarossa and Toby, thats EXACTLY what i am trying to do, calculate only when my computer IS idle ;] well, i tried to set it to "yes" but it all the time shows 100% of CPU and thats what i dont want. Well i try the new alpha, maybe it can help, thanx lot!

Your welcome.

Just to make one point clear: Of course it will show 100%, but this won't affect your other work with the computer. Boinc will only use what the other processes leave over to it.

I once had a dispute with someone who had some really CPU and memory intensive games. He told me that BOINC made the games run slower and the graphics juddering. Might be. But 'normal' applications won't even take notice of BOINC running in the background.

One other reason not to run it at 100% could be heat. The CPU in fact runs some degrees warmer with BOINC than without. (I guess that is because - unlike the 'idle' process - BOINC is constantly moving data to and fro L1/L2 memory). But overheating normally only applies to computers or to notebooks with poor cooling.

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Message 176380 - Posted: 10 Oct 2005, 19:29:35 UTC - in response to Message 176373.  

Thanx lot to barbarossa and Toby, thats EXACTLY what i am trying to do, calculate only when my computer IS idle ;] well, i tried to set it to "yes" but it all the time shows 100% of CPU and thats what i dont want. Well i try the new alpha, maybe it can help, thanx lot!

Your welcome.

Just to make one point clear: Of course it will show 100%, but this won't affect your other work with the computer. Boinc will only use what the other processes leave over to it.

I once had a dispute with someone who had some really CPU and memory intensive games. He told me that BOINC made the games run slower and the graphics juddering. Might be. But 'normal' applications won't even take notice of BOINC running in the background.

One other reason not to run it at 100% could be heat. The CPU in fact runs some degrees warmer with BOINC than without. (I guess that is because - unlike the 'idle' process - BOINC is constantly moving data to and fro L1/L2 memory). But overheating normally only applies to computers or to notebooks with poor cooling.

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well thanx again to all of you helping ;] i try it with "yes" on ;] i'll see what it can do ;]


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Message 176384 - Posted: 10 Oct 2005, 19:34:24 UTC - in response to Message 176365.  
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Thanx lot to barbarossa and Toby, thats EXACTLY what i am trying to do, calculate only when my computer IS idle ;] well, i tried to set it to "yes" but it all the time shows 100% of CPU and thats what i dont want. Well i try the new alpha, maybe it can help, thanx lot!


You got me curious about this, so I checked out the idle mode functionality on a couple of my boxes to see what happens.

On both of them when I switched to the venue I had setup to do idle only crunching, they both worked as I expected.

They initially suspended, but after the three minute delay both resumed until I did something at the keyboard or moved the mouse.

The only thing I can think of is you have something running which BOINC is interpreting as user activity, thus is preventing it from resuming.

Just wanted to let you know that it should work as advertised, so you may want to try experimenting further to see if one of your background apps is causing what you're seeing.

HTH, and good luck tracking it down.

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Message 176389 - Posted: 10 Oct 2005, 19:40:56 UTC - in response to Message 176384.  

Thanx lot to barbarossa and Toby, thats EXACTLY what i am trying to do, calculate only when my computer IS idle ;] well, i tried to set it to "yes" but it all the time shows 100% of CPU and thats what i dont want. Well i try the new alpha, maybe it can help, thanx lot!


You got me curious about this, so I checked out the idle mode functionality on a couple of my boxes to see what happens.

On both of them when I switched to the venue I had setup to do idle only crunching, they both worked as I expected.

They initially suspended, but after the three minute delay both resumed until I did something at the keyboard or moved the mouse.

The only thing I can think of is you have something running which BOINC is interpreting as user activity, thus is preventing it from resuming.

Just wanted to let you know that it should work as advertised, so you may want to try experimenting further to see if one of your background apps is causing what you're seeing.

HTH, and good luck tracking it down.

Alinator

PS: This was with 4.4x CC's.


well thanx for info, but as u can read in my first post... i kill nearly everything, no bckg process are running...
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Message 176433 - Posted: 10 Oct 2005, 21:22:54 UTC

A bit late to the discussion, but I've seen reports that in some systems the screen saver is interpreted as computer activity, so BOINC starting the screen saver triggers BOINC to stop processing. This I think has been addressed in the upcoming release, but may be a factor right now.

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Message 176490 - Posted: 10 Oct 2005, 23:38:50 UTC

On my system I have it set to 'Run always' and never notice boinc running while using my other programs. And my system has several jobs to do besides crunching and they never miss a beat.
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Message 177256 - Posted: 12 Oct 2005, 22:58:02 UTC - in response to Message 176389.  

well thanx for info, but as u can read in my first post... i kill nearly everything, no bckg process are running...

When you installed Boinc did you install it as a "service"?
Did you remember to update your account on your computer after you made changes on the web page?

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