Sure is easy to stir up this hive!

Of course it is! That needed no prove...

:-/ Greybeard

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All about BOINC: BOINC-Wiki (by Paul D. Buck)

Sure is easy to stir up this hive!

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Sure is easy to stir up this hive!

How many of the PC's crunching BOINC projects would have to be left "on" 24/7 if they were not being used for distributed computing projects? Virtually none. That is why its appropriate to question the amount of resources expended on these projects. I would guess that the majority of computers being used for BOINC projects average only a couple hours a day of "regular" computer use - some more than others, but there are many machines out there that do nothing but DC. The only PC's that really have to be on 24/7 are servers and gateways...how many of you can say your computers would have to be "on" all the time if not for DC?

I have one 24/7 machine that would be 24/7 regardless of DC projects (a university office machine that frequently does analyses for me overnight). Two others are on dial-up and are never on 24/7, though overnight runs for the slow process of updates are not unusual.

Thank you though for your guess that the majority of machines are only on a couple of hours per day in regular use. I suppose we should write the the thousands of businesses, universities, etc. that have people employed 8 hours per day that they really only need to provide their workers with computers 1/4th of the time...think of the overhead they would save!

I would guess that there are many more servers and gateways running BOINC than you suggest. Also, there are many other instances of 'have to be on 24/7' machines (e.g., university computer labs, etc.).

Please make sure she gets the slow, easily interrupted modem line then. ;)

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....snip....You have NO RIGHT at all to tell ANYONE what to do with their own computers or the time they spend doing anything! ...snip...

Yeah, that's my wifes' job.

How many of the PC's crunching BOINC projects would have to be left "on" 24/7 if they were not being used for distributed computing projects? Virtually none. That is why its appropriate to question the amount of resources expended on these projects. I would guess that the majority of computers being used for BOINC projects average only a couple hours a day of "regular" computer use - some more than others, but there are many machines out there that do nothing but DC. The only PC's that really have to be on 24/7 are servers and gateways...how many of you can say your computers would have to be "on" all the time if not for DC?

So let me get this straight...YOU are quitting because you don't like how I spend my computers time?! You have NO RIGHT at all to tell ANYONE what to do with their own computers or the time they spend doing anything! This is a fairly free World and that means that we get to CHOOSE what to do with our little part in it. I CHOOSE to run Seti, both Classic and Boinc, and do it hwappily and willingly! I THINK it is a very noble cause and the upside could be potentially better than any downside. I do understand that others feel otherwise, but that is their right!
You do what YOU want to do and stop telling others what they should do with their own lives. I am not telling you to sell your car and live like an Amish person, no disrespect to the Amish people. For those that do no not know about the Amish people, they live without any kind of mechanized equipment, electricity, etc., but live off the land farming etc.
You live your life in the way that it makes you feel good about it and let others do the same. Then understand that along the way you will meet people that do not feel like you do. Either get along with us or ignore us and we will try and do the same with you.

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Hmmm Hieroglyphics as an avatar. Let's see, ... Now sound out all three at once and you get??? LOL

What? It doesn't sound like "Pi ra te"?
Perhaps there is other meaning in some other language?
Similar to German mist?

;-)
Martin

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See new freedom: Mageia Linux
Take a look for yourself: Linux Format
The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3)

Currently I have all the DC projects set .

Hmmm Hieroglyphics as an avatar. Let's see, the first character is the "Sh"(an egyptian viper), the second character is the "hei" (an egyptian tool for clearing wheat), the final character is the "tt" (Egyptian hawk). Now sound out all three at once and you get??? LOL

Currently I have all the DC projects set to share resources equally, but I have been seriously thinking of reducing S@H to 50% and then adding 25% to Rosetta@home and Predictor@home. That's the great thing about BOINC. You can crunch more that one science in any share you want. You couldn't do that easily with S@H classic.

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Yet if someone means he adds PCs (not cows) to his farm (see? ;)) and thinks he is supporting to a DC concept in money (electricity) and time (installing the computers, putting Boinc on them), is he then really donating his computers to a cause? (Let's finally answer AZ with this :))

"BOINC lets you donate computing power to scientific research projects such as:..."

As long as the main BOINC-page calls it a donation, it's not unrealistic some users also will see it as a donation, regardless how correct it is.

I believe in the distributed computing concept, and have supported it myself with significant financial and time investment.

In other words: You bought more computers for it, used more electricity for it, yet you never spent a cent on a donation.
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Hmm... was under the impression only users that has donated money has a green star...[/quote]
I was answering to the bit of text I now added to the quote, Ingledagger. Without it, the star doesn't matter. 11 dollars per year is enough to get that star.

Yet if someone means he adds PCs (not cows) to his farm (see? ;)) and thinks he is supporting to a DC concept in money (electricity) and time (installing the computers, putting Boinc on them), is he then really donating his computers to a cause? (Let's finally answer AZ with this :))

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Of which about 500,000 clients were active. Clients, not people. Computers.

Well, going by SETI@Home Active Users "classic" was oscillating around 500k-550k active users till SETI@Home/BOINC was released...

In other words: You bought more computers for it, used more electricity for it, yet you never spent a cent on a donation.

Hmm... was under the impression only users that has donated money has a green star...

.o0(wonder if he saw I do know how to use a delete key)

There is a difference between jest and sarcasm. My, my, what a big mouth you have, wolfie. ;)

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Does your mum, grandma or other close family member live far away from you? Far means further away than you can walk or cycle to within 12 hours? Thus drive your car to, or take an airplane to?

Yes but I call her on the phone!!

Does your supermarket of choice, your work, your favorite holiday resort etc. mean you have to drive a car, fly a plane, go by anything that is driving on fuel?

Nope I ride my bicycle, but I am huff and puffing CO2 so I guess I am contributing to global warming sigh!!!

(Most of the above post is posted in jest.)

Ohhh wait you didn't ask me..

.o0(wonder if he saw I do know how to use a delete key)

THIS POST IS DIAL-UP FRIENDLY.

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I'd rather speak my mind because it hurts too much to bite my tongue.

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Kilowattshours and Quantawattas, Kilojules and Multijoules;

Oh my!

When Classic stopped accepting new accounts they had about 5.5 million users.

Of which about 500,000 clients were active. Clients, not people. Computers.

The 5.5 million users is a number. So 5.5 million people used this program once in a while in the past. It's not an active number, it's not updated in real time, it's not shown in the charts at every day. The charts say around 500,000 clients.

You can check that at ClassicAtWork.com.

What do you suppose was the total amount of energy used to ... I say it was a waste of valuable resources.

Does your mum, grandma or other close family member live far away from you? Far means further away than you can walk or cycle to within 12 hours? Thus drive your car to, or take an airplane to?

Does your supermarket of choice, your work, your favorite holiday resort etc. mean you have to drive a car, fly a plane, go by anything that is driving on fuel?

If so, then running your computer 24 hours a day and just looking at the pictures of your favorite holiday resort, while receiving your family's streaming internet connection is cheaper than going there in person.

It's not as much fun though.
Yet we don't talk about fun, as it would seem. You are talking about wasting the resources!

So yes, please stop crunching 24/7, as it is killing people. (There's a whole list more, but one should always stop at people!).

Yet since you don't care one bit about what else is killing people, should I tell you?
Or warn others about it? I am re-considering!

I believe in the distributed computing concept, and have supported it myself with significant financial and time investment.

In other words: You bought more computers for it, used more electricity for it, yet you never spent a cent on a donation.

I understand that finding verifiable signals was always a long shot... And are we really meant to discover these extraterrestrial signals at all?

Of course we aren't! We're here to spend lots of money on computers, and re-crunch the same work units at least 80 times over since we're now only at 50 times over. We have also only crunched units of the Northern Hemisphere, because the stupid program can't do anything else.

So no, we do not want BOINC, as it will bring in too many new options to check for radio signals in. Southern, Western, Eastern, Middlern. Redneckish Country. OH MY GOD!!!

How many of the PC's crunching BOINC projects would have to be left "on" 24/7 if they were not being used for distributed computing projects? Virtually none.

I agree, Eisntein@Home can check for their stupid waves in a single piece of the skyline only! Let them run that piece of millimetric sky for 50 times!

That is why its appropriate to question the amount of resources expended on these projects.

Kilowattshours and Quantawattas, Kilojules and Multijoules;

I would guess that the majority of computers being used for BOINC projects average only a couple hours a day of "regular" computer use

Mine are on 24/7. I have to pay 370 dollar extra for using the extra energy. Must be me. ;)

(Most of the above post is posted in jest.)

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Anytime there's change there will be dissenters. I ran Seti classic until May of this year. Nothing to brag about, I just let it run when I was on the computer for six years and never accumulated many WU's. I never got into it to the point I'm doing it now until I changed over to Boinc. I'm now running 7 computers 24-7 and have a couple more that I may add. I feel that Boinc allows me do more than classic did. I feel I'm actually doing something for the project. For me the change was good. The bottom line though Classic is going away and Boinc is the replacement.

Maybe die hard classic users just feel that they are starting over with the project since they start at square one with Boinc.

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http://www.teamstarfire.org/

Out of the 7 computers I run BOINC on, 6 of them would be on 24/7 no matter what. The laptop is the only one that would see any extra off time. At work I often leave in the middle of something or I leave things running during the night/weekend while I go home. At home I usually have 15+ web pages open in various states or I have some random code that I work on over the course of several days. Plus I help to run several IRC channels so I have a client online all the time to enforce channel rules and log activity. I have never bought a computer just to crunch. I may have upgraded a little quicker than was absolutely necessary once but that is about all the "extra cost" distributed computing has caused me... at least in terms of money. If you measure my time investment on the other hand... well we won't go there :)

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A member of The Knights Who Say NI!
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My BOINC stats site

I currently have 6 machines, all running as close to 24/7 as possible. 3 are used as work/play machines, 1 is a laptop and used for some play/travel, and the other 2 just sit and crunch. I am adding more to this, soon. One machine should be up and running later this week which will be almost dedicated to crunching, except the occassional surfing of another member of my family.

I want to have 10-12 machines total running at some time. I'd like more, but the room and abilities are not all there.

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