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Message 161904 - Posted: 2 Sep 2005, 9:23:41 UTC

What do you think the effects of Katrina will be on Seti? There have to be thousands of cruncher living in the affected areas. I know most of you probably don't agree with me on this. And some might just get plain angry. But, I think we all need to stop bickering and complaing over and over again about the servers at Seti. I think there are more important things going on in the country today. I dunno. I would shut my crunchers off and speed down to the affected areas if I could. But what the hell with it accomplish? Nothing...ah forget it. I still can't believe that this happened. In my opinion, this is the worst and most tradgic distaster to happen in the history of our country. Yes, I believe it's even worse than 9/11. Berate me if you want. I don't care. Ah screw the cost, I'm gonna head down there tonight after all.
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Message 161912 - Posted: 2 Sep 2005, 9:33:25 UTC - in response to Message 161904.  

What do you think the effects of Katrina will be on Seti? There have to be thousands of cruncher living in the affected areas. I know most of you probably don't agree with me on this. And some might just get plain angry. But, I think we all need to stop bickering and complaing over and over again about the servers at Seti. I think there are more important things going on in the country today. I dunno. I would shut my crunchers off and speed down to the affected areas if I could. But what the hell with it accomplish? Nothing...ah forget it. I still can't believe that this happened. In my opinion, this is the worst and most tradgic distaster to happen in the history of our country. Yes, I believe it's even worse than 9/11. Berate me if you want. I don't care. Ah screw the cost, I'm gonna head down there tonight after all.


No anger from me anyway.

You're right, there are more important things but:

1) This isn't really the place to discuss them and
2) I would imagine it's best to leave these things to the experts as first you may just get in the way and second you may become a victim yourself.

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Message 161916 - Posted: 2 Sep 2005, 9:50:58 UTC - in response to Message 161904.  
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What do you think the effects of Katrina will be on Seti?


Hi,

Well - I don't know!
But at least they have very good News coverage/broadcast - that's a lot more than we have had here after this LOIA (Long Outage In August).

1 line of news everyday - is a lot better than 3 lines of news every 3 days!

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Message 161925 - Posted: 2 Sep 2005, 10:48:10 UTC - in response to Message 161912.  

What do you think the effects of Katrina will be on Seti? There have to be thousands of cruncher living in the affected areas. I know most of you probably don't agree with me on this. And some might just get plain angry. But, I think we all need to stop bickering and complaing over and over again about the servers at Seti. I think there are more important things going on in the country today. I dunno. I would shut my crunchers off and speed down to the affected areas if I could. But what the hell with it accomplish? Nothing...ah forget it. I still can't believe that this happened. In my opinion, this is the worst and most tradgic distaster to happen in the history of our country. Yes, I believe it's even worse than 9/11. Berate me if you want. I don't care. Ah screw the cost, I'm gonna head down there tonight after all.


No anger from me anyway.

You're right, there are more important things but:

1) This isn't really the place to discuss them and
2) I would imagine it's best to leave these things to the experts as first you may just get in the way and second you may become a victim yourself.


Yah, I know. That's why I put the warning in the subject. One post ain't gonna make a difference at all.

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Message 161932 - Posted: 2 Sep 2005, 11:18:08 UTC - in response to Message 161904.  

Ah screw the cost, I'm gonna head down there tonight after all.


From the FEMA website:
Volunteers should not report directly to the affected areas unless directed by a voluntary agency. Self-dispatched volunteers can put themselves and others in harm’s way and hamper rescue efforts. Voluntary organizations are seeking cash donations to assist victims of Hurricane Katrina in Gulf Coast states.

Stay close to home, watch for opportunities to help raise money, to cover for the trained people who have gone down there. Start to learn what you'd need to help out if, no when, the next disaster strikes.

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Message 161936 - Posted: 2 Sep 2005, 11:45:23 UTC
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I think we may have one friend who's either in or very, very close to the worst of it. On the Hurricane a comin! thread, the last post from Major_Moe gives his address as being very close to the breach in the Lake Pontchartrain levee.

Lets wish him and the all the others caught up in this disaster the very best.

And recognise that the problems at UCB are insignificant.

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Message 161954 - Posted: 2 Sep 2005, 12:52:32 UTC - in response to Message 161936.  

I don't know...if I were ET watching this, I'd be afraid to come down and offer help for fear I'd be shot at... :o/

Stewie: So, is there any tread left on the tires? Or at this point would it be like throwing a hot dog down a hallway?

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Message 162158 - Posted: 2 Sep 2005, 20:23:48 UTC

At the moment, Katrina has to be "on topic", at least somewhat, everywhere. Everyone in the US is, or will be, affected by this. 8,000 refuges are now in, or on their way to, my area. And I'm not that close. The rest of the world will be affected to some extent, I'm sure.

If you are tired of half the news reports being all "feelings" and no news, and the other half all "looking for somebody to blame" and no news... here is a link to someone who is right in the middle of it, telling it like it is:

http://www.livejournal.com/users/interdictor/2005/08/27/

Here is one with no "proven credibility", other than many of the postings match verifiable things:

http://www.nola.com/weblogs/nola/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_nolaview/archives/2005_09.html#075773

Personal opinion, after reading this and other sites and seeing the pictures? There's plenty of blame to go around. Starting with every elected official at every level, city, state, or federal, current or past, for the last x years. Both parties. My initial response was "why didn't they leave?" - but now, seeing hospitals full of patients who weren't evacuated, schools full of kids, housing projects full of the poor and elderly - (plus of course those who were just too stupid or uncaring or who figured once everybody else was gone they could go wild looting...) - my response is more "why didn't anybody make it POSSIBLE for them to leave?".

If you think I'm overly anti-government... a friend's relative, local, is a pilot and has his own jet helicopter. He's been trying for three days, FEMA and Red Cross, to get "permission" to donate it's use and his time, dropping supplies, or whatever else they need. No luck. I'm a former EMT - several EMTs and Paramedics I know have tried to volunteer, only to be told "sorry, you aren't licensed in Louisiana, we can't allow you in".

If I'm not around the next few days, I've volunteered my gas and time; if "approved", I'll be making round-trips driving people from overcrowded shelters on the edge of the area, to more distant and less crowded ones near me. Of course, after answering the plea for help, it's been many hours with no response...
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Message 162163 - Posted: 2 Sep 2005, 20:52:38 UTC

You can't separate politics from this discussion...

I fail to see the difference in how the federal government would respond to terrorist attack & this natural disaster - i.e. a suitcase-size nuke on a key section of a levee would produce similar chaos in N.O.

Why have we spent $$$ billions on Homeland Security? I'm normally an advocate of a strong central government, but not if it has this type of misplaced priorities. For many months, governors around the country have complained about National Guard Troops being heavily deployed away from the homeland... It's sad that it's safer in most places in Iraq than it is in what *used* to be one of the most fun cities in our country...

My heart goes out to those who have died on the Gulf Coast and those who have died in the Middle East. It's time to get our priorities straight. People are more important than cheap gas. Poor people are just as important as rich people. And those who purport to be "conservative" need to ask themselves what it is they are conserving...

Flame on if you can defend policies that cause people to die.
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Message 162183 - Posted: 2 Sep 2005, 21:22:23 UTC - in response to Message 162158.  
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Let me field at least some of this, since I have similar experiences, background and/or knowledge of some of the aspects of it...

There's plenty of blame to go around. Starting with every elected official at every level, city, state, or federal, current or past, for the last x years. Both parties.


No argument there. The feds were caught with their pants down with respect to scope, despite the fact that they declared the emergency PRIOR to the event AND had the hard numbers that told them how bad BAD was going to be.

My initial response was "why didn't they leave?" - but now, seeing hospitals full of patients who weren't evacuated, schools full of kids, housing projects full of the poor and elderly - (plus of course those who were just too stupid or uncaring or who figured once everybody else was gone they could go wild looting...) - my response is more "why didn't anybody make it POSSIBLE for them to leave?".


(Had this argument with a co-worker, so the point is fresh... ;->)

Granted, some couldn't leave and they should be the focus of relief efforts.

However (and this is a biggie) some small number of opportunists stayed behind and are now looting, pillaging, burning, [insert crime here] and even worse are attacking RESCUERS. These clowns should be corralled, paraded on television and then shot, not necessarily in that order.

If you think I'm overly anti-government... a friend's relative, local, is a pilot and has his own jet helicopter. He's been trying for three days, FEMA and Red Cross, to get "permission" to donate it's use and his time, dropping supplies, or whatever else they need. No luck.


One word: LIABILITY. Respective agencies barely want to take it for fielding the effort; they don't want the paperwork headache of having to go through the motions of enlisting people (they don't know), even if it means turning good, decent, honest help away.

I'm a former EMT - several EMTs and Paramedics I know have tried to volunteer, only to be told "sorry, you aren't licensed in Louisiana, we can't allow you in".


See above, but you should also already know the other two words in this equation: MALPRACTICE and LAWSUIT. As soon as someone dies, either word will slip and again, nobody wants the responsibility or headache of having to deal with the paperwork aftermath THAT will generate.

If I'm not around the next few days, I've volunteered my gas and time; if "approved", I'll be making round-trips driving people from overcrowded shelters on the edge of the area, to more distant and less crowded ones near me. Of course, after answering the plea for help, it's been many hours with no response...


Don't feel too bad, my certs, skills and ambition are sitting idle as well while everyone looks at me with a blank look and says, "GUH?!"

I kinda feel like a client without a WU to crunch (ducking)


Stewie: So, is there any tread left on the tires? Or at this point would it be like throwing a hot dog down a hallway?

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Message 162189 - Posted: 2 Sep 2005, 21:37:09 UTC - in response to Message 162163.  

You can't separate politics from this discussion...


Nor can you intertwine it. They're people, not political playthings. The Red Cross is NOT setting up separate lines for Democrats, Republicans, Liberals, Conservatives, etc. etc.

For ANYONE with any morsel of conscience to politicize this at this moment is ghoulish at best, and downright evil at worst.

Save the people first BEFORE you worry how they're going to vote.

I fail to see the difference in how the federal government would respond to terrorist attack & this natural disaster - i.e. a suitcase-size nuke on a key section of a levee would produce similar chaos in N.O.


There should be no difference. The scope is what caught everyone, despite the scenarios run for years and years.

Why have we spent $$$ billions on Homeland Security? I'm normally an advocate of a strong central government, but not if it has this type of misplaced priorities. For many months, governors around the country have complained about National Guard Troops being heavily deployed away from the homeland... It's sad that it's safer in most places in Iraq than it is in what *used* to be one of the most fun cities in our country...


That should be landing squarely on the mayor's doorstep, since those funds are invaribly turned over to them. The caveat is that there are usually strings attached to it, depending on how they answered their questionaire when the funds were allocated.

My heart goes out to those who have died on the Gulf Coast and those who have died in the Middle East. It's time to get our priorities straight. People are more important than cheap gas. Poor people are just as important as rich people. And those who purport to be "conservative" need to ask themselves what it is they are conserving...


Self-reliant people are the most important of all.

If you remember 9/11, New Yorkers watched in horror, then got up and left when they had to. Rudy (Guiliani) got down on the streets with his police, firefighters and fellow residents and went to work. He DIDN'T run to the local media outlet and boo-hoo over what he DIDN'T have; he used what he did have.

That's the difference between leadership and cowardice. Politics and ideology have nothing to do with it. Strength of will and character will carry the day when there's hell to pay.

Flame on if you can defend policies that cause people to die.


No flames, just some cold hard facts...

1. Feds underestimated the scope and had to reinforce themselves, which cost the city time.

2. Emotion in the N.O. mayor's office provided no leadership at a time when the city needed it most. (Nearly a fifth of the police force is reported to have resigned and left the city).

3. The governor's lack of decisiveness over a SINGLE CLAUSE in state law allowed chaos to reign (if you're wondering, Martial Law was not declared, because a clause allowing shoot-to-kill by ANYONE feeling threatened still is on the books in Louisiana, and her ladyship didn't 'want to send the wrong signal in a time of crisis')

Yes, it's been a Cluster Foxtrot, to say the least, but let's set the blame aside and help the people first!


Stewie: So, is there any tread left on the tires? Or at this point would it be like throwing a hot dog down a hallway?

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Message 162599 - Posted: 3 Sep 2005, 18:35:23 UTC - in response to Message 162189.  


Flame on if you can defend policies that cause people to die.


No flames, just some cold hard facts...

1. Feds underestimated the scope and had to reinforce themselves, which cost the city time.

2. Emotion in the N.O. mayor's office provided no leadership at a time when the city needed it most. (Nearly a fifth of the police force is reported to have resigned and left the city).

3. The governor's lack of decisiveness over a SINGLE CLAUSE in state law allowed chaos to reign (if you're wondering, Martial Law was not declared, because a clause allowing shoot-to-kill by ANYONE feeling threatened still is on the books in Louisiana, and her ladyship didn't 'want to send the wrong signal in a time of crisis')

Yes, it's been a Cluster Foxtrot, to say the least, but let's set the blame aside and help the people first!



I think when people's lives are at stake it is time for the bureaucracy to be set aside and get down to what needs to be done and that includes letting the people who can help help. The Russians learned from this mistake, (re: Kursk incident) apparently the US after lambasting them for their handling of that event is too good to follow their own advice. Many many examples coming out of NO of professional emergency workers both from the US and other countries being turned away or their offers of help ignored.

Also it would seem FEMA needs a long close examination their powers are way too broad, and they seem to be more intent on flexing those powers and controlling the whole show themselves than getting down to business.

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Message 162636 - Posted: 3 Sep 2005, 19:52:17 UTC

From what they say on the news here my country are, after a request from the USA, sending an hercules paced with water cleaning equipment capable of serving 20.000 people and it should be operational in the beginning of next week.

I can only hope that the USA finally starts to take environment question seriously.

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Message 162656 - Posted: 3 Sep 2005, 20:14:35 UTC - in response to Message 162636.  

From what they say on the news here my country are, after a request from the USA, sending an hercules paced with water cleaning equipment capable of serving 20.000 people and it should be operational in the beginning of next week.

I can only hope that the USA finally starts to take environment question seriously.

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What the hell does the "environment question" have to do with releif to a natural disaster!
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I can only hope that the USA finally starts to take environment question seriously.
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What the hell does the "environment question" have to do with releif to a natural disaster!




Maybe he means that katrina is a direct effect of global warmth and other things that are bad for the enviroment.

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Message 162674 - Posted: 3 Sep 2005, 20:36:02 UTC - in response to Message 162656.  

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What the hell does the "environment question" have to do with releif to a natural disaster![/quote]

Not to the relief but to the natural disaster. The first step to understand the cause of a problem is to actually having the will of understand. ;)
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What the hell does the "environment question" have to do with releif to a natural disaster!


Not to the relief but to the natural disaster. The first step to understand the cause of a problem is to actually having the will of understand. ;)[/quote]

Geez I love it when foreigners think they know more about things in the US than the people that live there.
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Message 162685 - Posted: 3 Sep 2005, 20:51:29 UTC - in response to Message 162679.  

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Geez I love it when foreigners think they know more about things in the US than the people that live there.[/quote]

I guess you still not got it but it is actually the same planet.;)
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I guess you still not got it but it is actually the same planet.;)[/quote]

NO YOU don't get it

EPA policy here is far more stringant than anywhere in the world.
Looking for blame for a natural disaster is REDICULES !

SHIT HAPPENS !
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[quote EPA policy here is far more stringant than anywhere in the world.
Looking for blame for a natural disaster is REDICULES !

SHIT HAPPENS ![/quote]

Hmm... Yes. I suppose that Mongolia, Afghanistan and Bhutan have a bigger impact on air pollution than USA have.
Thank good does not everybody in USA have the same opinion as you that al happen by coincidence

In fact al of the Industrial world contribute to the pollution and now China is on its way to be motorized
so I guess it is too late if that makes you feel any better.
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