I personally believe it might be nice for the developers to move up to the next level when they reactivate the scheduler later today. What I mean is allow uploads of current work units but only download to client computers the new Seti Enhanced work units. This would slow everyone down on the number of work units that are uploaded and downloaded and benefit everyone.

Just my opinion but I hope it does happen!

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I personally believe it might be nice for the developers to move up to the next level when they reactivate the scheduler later today. What I mean is allow uploads of current work units but only download to client computers the new Seti Enhanced work units. This would slow everyone down on the number of work units that are uploaded and downloaded and benefit everyone.

Just my opinion but I hope it does happen!

I HOPE that once UCB gets the WFV backlog resolved, they change no SW for a couple of weeks and just let things calm down! This has been a PRODUCTION project for over a year! Can anyone tell me when it ran stable (including the backend stuff) (scheduled outages ok) for more than a week?

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I HOPE that once UCB gets the WFV backlog resolved, they change no SW for a couple of weeks and just let things calm down! This has been a PRODUCTION project for over a year! Can anyone tell me when it ran stable (including the backend stuff) (scheduled outages ok) for more than a week?

This from the number 1 doomsday sayer. AZ if you had your way this project would never have gotten off the ground. Too many bugs! For your information the software is running fine on the majority of users computers.

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I HOPE that once UCB gets the WFV backlog resolved, they change no SW for a couple of weeks and just let things calm down! This has been a PRODUCTION project for over a year! Can anyone tell me when it ran stable (including the backend stuff) (scheduled outages ok) for more than a week?

This from the number 1 doomsday sayer. AZ if you had your way this project would never have gotten off the ground. Too many bugs! For your information the software is running fine on the majority of users computers.

No, I'm just saying that it's time for the folks crunching for this project, to see a week or two of "stability" on a production project.

"For your information the software is running fine on the majority of users computers.".. What the heck are you trying to say? Do you not understand that the "critical code" is running at UCB and not on your PC?

Too many darn people here with pom-poms that are CLUELESS in how a system like this should work, and attack those who do understand. Have you even implemented a "production grade DC project"? I have, and you remind me of the clueless secretary that blamed the server when her mouse broke!

No wonder that this project has problems. The cheerleaders glam on to each other, and are clueless on what the problems really are!

DC is not something "new" with Seti Classic or Seti Boinc. It's been around for years. This isn't Rocket Science!

Just like the Internet! Newbies think it's "new", but don't realize it's been around for 20+ years! (my first access to the internet was in 82-83!)

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Yea this is great. Mr. Doom and Gloom is bringing is negativity into this thread. Negative attitudes never accomplished anything. Mostly they get in the way of the rest of us. It’s no good, it fails, it’s broken, not ready for prime time. All these negative comments serve no purpose other than to annoy those who already know about the problems.

The developers are aware of the problems usually before you are AZ.

What is absolutely for sure here. Anyone can claim anything about his knowledge, programming ability and accomplishments in these threads, there is absolutely no way for anyone else to prove or disprove it. Just a waste of time and space to make these sort of claims here. But maybe this is the only place you can get away with it!

Goodnight!

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Yea this is great. Mr. Doom and Gloom is bringing is negativity into this thread. Negative attitudes never accomplished anything.

and nor did those so positive that they don't question what's really happening!


Do you even have a clue on the problem? I'm not talking the servers, but include the crunchers! There are a bunch of people PO'ed, and all I said was to keep things stable for a week or two! (let's just run for 14 days!) You got your view so warped, that you are making no sense.

Remeber Geek - a negitive comment can be more constructive to a project than a positive one. UCB has got to know about issues to fix tem, as "we think you're doing a great job" comments don't fix the problems!

All I frigging said, was "let things calm down for a time before new changes are in the mix".

Goodnight Geek.. It's clear that you are attacking the messanger and not the message!

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Yea this is great. Mr. Doom and Gloom is bringing is negativity into this thread. Negative attitudes never accomplished anything.

and nor did those so positive that they don't question what's really happening!


Do you even have a clue on the problem? I'm not talking the servers, but include the crunchers! There are a bunch of people PO'ed, and all I said was to keep things stable for a week or two! (let's just run for 14 days!) You got your view so warped, that you are making no sense.

Remember Geek - a negative comment can be more constructive to a project than a positive one. UCB has got to know about issues to fix tem, as "we think you're doing a great job" comments don't fix the problems!

All I frigging said, was "let things calm down for a time before new changes are in the mix".

Goodnight Geek.. It's clear that you are attacking the messenger and not the message!

Woody, woody, they are a lot smarter than you give them credit for being, so why do you not just crawl back to Predictor and Einstein and behave yourself. The INTERNET as we know it started in the 90s, before that is was for Scientists and the such to use........
We believe in the Devs, they know whats happening, they do not need you and Tom blowing smoke up their arse at every problem, so relax, listen to some good music, or take a nap, cause your are cranky tonight.....


Your feind Pascal ;O)

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So long Paul, it has been a hell of a ride.

Park your ego's, fire up the computers, Science YES, Credits No.

"The internet" as we know it didn't exist until the 90s, therefore no project like BOINC could have existed in 1980. Yes, there were computer networks that distributed computing tasks across several nodes but I doubt there were 150,000 computers connected to a single network - anywhere. Now we have that many actively crunching for a single project and they are all thousands of times more powerful than the ones in 1980. When you have 10s of trusted nodes with known configurations, things are a LOT simpler as opposed to 100,000 untrusted hosts on any one of 15 different platforms. Not to mention the ability to run multiple types of studies on each host. Name a project with comparable scope that existed 20 years ago and I might just go away.

As for stability... My machines haven't run out of work in several months so stability seems fine to me.

As far as academia goes, BOINC is doing pretty dang good. Another department at my university is rolling out some applications that have been in development for 3 years, have cost millions and work MUCH worse than BOINC - so consider yourself lucky! :)

Geek may have jumped on you a little after your first post woody but you DO have a history of negativity around here that will take some time to mend - assuming you WANT to... Constructive criticism is made on the developer mailing list with possible proposed solutions. I see a fair amount of it every day. Message boards are not a reliable way of reporting serious problems to the main developers. Yes, some of them read these boards but they don't see everything plus with the level of detail most people include in forum posts around here it would be a waste of their time to follow up error reports here since half of them are user errors anyway.

Good night to you too. It is past my bed time :/

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Actually, I think he's just venting what is to a fair degree a valid level of frustration.

Also, I think his point of staying 'stable' for a bit before making changes in the software approach also makes sense. Then again, I an interest here, I'm still running 4.19 on a number of systems since I've not been able to get 4.45 to attach on a number of systems I've tried (not all of them but enough to make me wonder what's amiss) to a number of different projects -- this has been on systems where I was trying to move up from 4.19 and new 'pristine' systems where BOINC had not been deployed.

I also think the client software is not really where the primary problems have been over the past 60 days.

I further think the past 60 days have been at best, less than optimal for a fair number of folks.

Then again, in the continuum of posters, given that Woody has been tagged as a whiner by some folks, it might be that people can't see anything in any of his posts at all.

AZ if you had your way this project would never have gotten off the ground. Too many bugs! For your information the software is running fine on the majority of users computers.

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Then again, in the continuum of posters, given that Woody has been tagged as a whiner by some folks, it might be that people can't see anything in any of his posts at all.

It is not that he is whining. It is that he starts out (usually) negative. Then accuses any who do not support his view 100% as being out of touch, stupid, or worse.

I understand the frustration. Not that some will give me credit for that understanding. But, yelling, name calling, and hostile posts does not and will not get your point across successfully. Many of the points that Azwoody raises are valid. But, his absolutism and hostility robs him of the likelihood of convincing anyone. Who do you want to do something for, the person that asks with "Please & Thank you"; or the person who insults your family.

As an example:

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Too many darn people here with pom-poms that are CLUELESS in how a system like this should work, and attack those who do understand. Have you even implemented a "production grade DC project"? I have, and you remind me of the clueless secretary that blamed the server when her mouse broke!

No wonder that this project has problems. The cheerleaders glam on to each other, and are clueless on what the problems really are!
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Is this a balanced rebuttal? To me it looks more like an attack. And since in other posts Azwoody has indicated that he thinks I belong in the "pom-pom brigade", well, he widened the scope of the reply considerably.

What is really depressing is that just today I say a post that, like his first here, was calm, rational, correct, and to the point. I was so impressed that I was going to make a comment, but halted because I could not think of a way to respond that would not highlight the usual trend of negativity. And my usual rule of thumb is to not do that if possible.

I have been pondering this dilemma for some time and am no closer to really understanding why it occurs. Heck, I am still trying to figure out how we wound up with "sides".

Azwoody, believe it or not, this is my best attempt at a defense for you, but, you sure don't give people much to work with. In all seriousness, you may have points to make, but there is that thing about using honey ...

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Maybe I'm just breaking down, but I've just done my catch up reading and I've seen several helpful posts from AZwoody. Maybe it's because I haven't even had coffee yet, that I'm viewing them that way.

tony

Have you even implemented a "production grade DC project"? I have, and you remind me of the clueless secretary that blamed the server when her mouse broke!

Why don't you fix the problem then since you know how to do this stuff? What are you waiting for, a red carpet invitation? Go ahead and make everything work so that no one can complain.

With as much negativity as you put out, I am supprised you are still here. When there is something that I don't like because it doesn't work, I either attempt to fix it, or get rid of it. Why don't you go work on another project that doesn't have all the "problems" that SETI/Boinc has. Maybe even go back to classic since you seem to like classic so much.

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Thank {insert deity} for the Wikipedia: Creation of the Internet.

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Have you even implemented a "production grade DC project"? I have

What was it? Seriously, I'm interested.

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Have you even implemented a "production grade DC project"? I have

What was it? Seriously, I'm interested.

We'd all love to know, and seeing as you do have specific knowledge in this area , have you offered your skills as as a volunteer developer? After all, the more, the merrier :)

PS maybe woody's being helpful because he hasn't had his coffee yet ;)

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Creation of the Internet.

[font='courier,courier new']A condensed history of the Internet.

Once upon a time, the US Government wanted a communications network that would survive a nuclear attack. And it was good. Then, when they had spent too much money, time, effort, and energy in perfecting it, it got released into academia. And it was OK. Then, when academes got bored, they posted porn. And it was good, again. Then, someone figured out how to advertise and make a buck. And it was bad, for that someone had invented spam, pop-ups, and cross-posting.

Now it sucks, for everyone has become a wanna-be geek, flooded the communications network with un-information, and costs a bloody fortune even though the infrastructure has already paid for itself 100 times over...[/font]

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Creation of the Internet.

[font='courier,courier new']A condensed history of the Internet.

Once upon a time, the US Government wanted a communications network that would survive a nuclear attack. And it was good. Then, when they had spent too much money, time, effort, and energy in perfecting it, it got released into academia. And it was OK. Then, when academes got bored, they posted porn. And it was good, again. Then, someone figured out how to advertise and make a buck. And it was bad, for that someone had invented spam, pop-ups, and cross-posting.

Now it sucks, for everyone has become a wanna-be geek, flooded the communications network with un-information, and costs a bloody fortune even though the infrastructure has already paid for itself 100 times over...[/font]

Amen

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Creation of the Internet.

[font='courier,courier new']A condensed history of the Internet.

Once upon a time, the US Government wanted a communications network that would survive a nuclear attack.[/font]

You missed the part where it was all Al Gore's idea that he had in his sleep and so he introduced legislation to 'invent it'.

[font='courier,courier new']And it was good. Then, when they had spent too much money, time, effort, and energy in perfecting it, it got released into academia. And it was OK. Then, when academes got bored, they posted porn. And it was good, again.[/font]

Actually, porn was a wholly-owned subsidiary of the grad students, not the profs themselves.

[font='courier,courier new'] Then, someone figured out how to advertise and make a buck. And it was bad, for that someone had invented spam, pop-ups, and cross-posting.

Now it sucks, for everyone has become a wanna-be geek, flooded the communications network with un-information, and costs a bloody fortune even though the infrastructure has already paid for itself 100 times over...[/font]

Yeah, yeah, take a beautiful rolling meadow, plant some food crops, then tobacco and finally plow it under and put up an interstate highway. Some call it progress, others call it environmental sacrilege, still others call it a really quick way to sit for hours in traffic while impatient people whine and display certain otherwise-unused digits in disgust.

@Woody: If you think your point of view is any more valuable that the other six and one-half billion on the planet, then by all means channel the energy into something productive (i.e. write some code, d00d, that will fix the problem) and quit urinating into the wind.

AZ if you had your way this project would never have gotten off the ground. Too many bugs! For your information the software is running fine on the majority of users computers.

@Geek: Bugs never stopped the (currently) #1 software company in the world from releaseing a product, then a patch, then a fix, then another patch, then a service pack...well, you get the idea. :o) Woody just needs some perspective and perhaps somewhere to channel his aggression. I suggest a big-ass hamster ball. Once he's mastered navigating in that contraption, then perhaps he'll have an appreciation for patience, planning and non-furtive actions.

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Fox Sunday (US) at 9PM ET/PT

Could it be that when Seti@home was recognized as an successful project
that put the university on the headlines in different media the running of the project was overtaken by people at the university that had the right contacts and who was mainly interested of being on the headlines without actually having the competes to reconstruct or running the project? If the project was improving you should se a decrees of the shear numbers of outrage, now it almost seams to increase.

Ok. cheerleaders, I'm waiting for the tsunami. :)

Tomas

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Well, I think I understand your point but the fact is that Berkeley has been in the news for much bigger things than this... and truth be told, the story isn't big (no signal from ET yet), it isn't new (S@H has been running as a DC for 6 years), and Berkeley has handled bigger PR projects than this.

Things like the e-Voting Study they are taking part in warrant a much bigger piece of the media in most peoples minds.

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