Is this another one of the team look at start date and credits.

Going from my sons similar computer which I calculate if he was fairly lucky could get 800 credits/day this guy has probably 10 times that.

ANdy

I've tried a dozen different proxies. Completed work uploaded and two units downloaded, but no update on statistics.

Maybe this Computer was once owned by a different userid.
The user seemed to be 2 persons.

Maybe they merged their accounts together. So the credits
for this mini-team (new user account) started at zero,
while the individual credits of the systems remained and
only the link to the userid was changed (without giving
them a new system id).

Over 2 milion credits for a single cpu is impossible.

I have a´similiar system running since beginning of June 04
and I got right now about 165.000 credits (nearly 24/7).

First it was a 2.8 HT PIV and I switched to 3.0 HT PIV in Oct 04.
SOmetimes (when it's cold +10% overclocked).

So I think a single PIV with HT and optimized Client running
at 3 GHz or above is able to do about 250.000 credits per annum.

But there is no way to do 1.000.000 or more in a year (without
a time machine) with this configuration.

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I've tried a dozen different proxies. Completed work uploaded and two units downloaded, but no update on statistics.

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I found the 'current' system ID.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=1262723

Belongs to

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_user.php?userid=552

That computer has about 1235 work units either errored out or 'in progress'(about half errored out, the other half 'in progress') since the last 'good' result was turned in back on July 28th.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=1262723&offset=1220

My 'giving him the benefit of the doubt' guess would be that he has either hardware (overclock?) problems or has had his boinc install corrupted. It looks like he has been hitting either the 100 results per cpu per day limit or the reduced quota for turning in errors, and has been detatching/reattaching the client to get new ones (hence the hostid being different every day).

A typical stdout is:

<core_client_version>4.19</core_client_version>
<message>Funzione non corretta. (0x1) - exit code 1 (0x1)
</message>
<active_task_state>1</active_task_state>
<signal>0</signal>

This one is 4.19, but i did see a few on 4.45 (near the start of the errors). A possibility is that he made a mistake on an upgrade from 4.19 to 4.45. I would suggest that he uninstall BOINC totally (wipeing out the directory structure), then reinstall it. That, and reset his computer to stock speed, if he is overclocking.

Now, thats weird! When you click the user-ID URL from above you can see that this user has a total of 1,816,302.05 credits. However, clicking the Computer link on his profile the number one machine (out of 13) has a total credit of 2,332,203.47 credits. How can the total for all machines be less than the best machine?

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Seeing his userID number (522) he was part of the BOINC Beta project, but no credit was brought forward into the production BOINC Seti project.

Beta user IDs didn't carry over either. New accounts needed to be created for the live project whether you were beta testing or not...

You are right. Brain fart. Thanks for reminding me... It has been over a year, after all... :)

Seeing his userID number (522) he was part of the BOINC Beta project, but no credit was brought forward into the production BOINC Seti project.

Beta user IDs didn't carry over either. New accounts needed to be created for the live project whether you were beta testing or not...

THAT would constitute a type of cheating, would it not? Just like the guy that explained how to inflate the RAC, a few months ago....
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Siran, you can't really call it Cheating in the true sense of the word as long as the it's an Option to do so in the Preferences. But it is probably un-savory at the least to keep doing so (Merging 2 or more hosts together) just to keep 1 of the hosts at the top of the Computer Rankings to make yourself or the Host look good if thats the reason for doing so.

It's a problem at most of the Projects & you can spot it in an instant. A high Numbered Host all of a sudden shows up at the top of the RAC list with a small amount of Total Credit & then the RAC drops off rapidly until all of a sudden the same Host shows up again at the top of the list with a different Host ID Number again.

Until the Dev's can devise a more refined way that different Hosts that appearer close enough to each other to be merged together it will continue go on at the Projects...

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That was why I said "type of cheating". The question is: Why would someone want to artificially inflate the ranking of one computer just to keep it at the top? What would be the point? Except maybe an ego booster.... I don't even have an idea where my PC is in the standings and don't really care. I'm just here to do my part, not to boost my ego.... >:-) (-:<

Multiple machines being merged make it make sense; it explains the "more CPU seconds than there are in a day" question AND the overlap in WUs sent/received. Two PCs could have gotten a batch of WUs on 7/28 and returned them on 8/4, while another PC got WUs on 7/24 and didn't return them until 8/6, and another for the other dates...

And I wouldn't consider it any type of cheating at all - it doesn't make any SENSE, at least not without some explanation, but it's all one "person", and one "team", so I don't see that it matters how many CPUS are involved. Other than as a reason for one more thread on the boards... :-)

It looks to me like this owner has several identical machines that they keep merging into one. That would artifically make the "one" host look like a real powerhouse and get it in the top computer rankings.

THAT would constitute a type of cheating, would it not? Just like the guy that explained how to inflate the RAC, a few months ago....

I'd say it's only cheating if you're focussing on the credits per host. If he's indeed merging the hosts, does it really matter if they were done on one machine or two/three/fifty? The science would (I hope) still be good, the credit for the overall account would be good. Is anything else important?

MJ

That was why I said "type of cheating". The question is: Why would someone want to artificially inflate the ranking of one computer just to keep it at the top? What would be the point? Except maybe an ego booster.... I don't even have an idea where my PC is in the standings and don't really care. I'm just here to do my part, not to boost my ego.... >:-) (-:<

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It looks to me like this owner has several identical machines that they keep merging into one. That would artifically make the "one" host look like a real powerhouse and get it in the top computer rankings.

THAT would constitute a type of cheating, would it not? Just like the guy that explained how to inflate the RAC, a few months ago....

I'd say it's only cheating if you're focussing on the credits per host. If he's indeed merging the hosts, does it really matter if they were done on one machine or two/three/fifty? The science would (I hope) still be good, the credit for the overall account would be good. Is anything else important?

MJ

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Could he have had more than one client at one time and he merged there identities somehow?

It looks to me like this owner has several identical machines that they keep merging into one. That would artifically make the "one" host look like a real powerhouse and get it in the top computer rankings.

THAT would constitute a type of cheating, would it not? Just like the guy that explained how to inflate the RAC, a few months ago....

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Could he have had more than one client at one time and he merged there identities somehow?

It looks to me like this owner has several identical machines that they keep merging into one. That would artifically make the "one" host look like a real powerhouse and get it in the top computer rankings.

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Could he have had more than one client at one time and he merged there identities somehow?

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May this Farce be with You

But this doesn't explain why there's such a great difference in the benchmarks when there's but a 0.2GHz difference in speed. That's what I'm trying to know about.

Yes I agree with you. Like I posted earlier, My wife's computerhttp://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=1228066 has a similiar setup, and those figures are more than twice. I believe he's overclocking. That would explain why the figures are high, and also why there are so many client errors coming out of that box.

Ahh, now that makes more sense, overclocking....

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But this doesn't explain why there's such a great difference in the benchmarks when there's but a 0.2GHz difference in speed. That's what I'm trying to know about.

Yes I agree with you. Like I posted earlier, My wife's computerhttp://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=1228066 has a similiar setup, and those figures are more than twice. I believe he's overclocking. That would explain why the figures are high, and also why there are so many client errors coming out of that box.

What os are you running?

If this is in reply to my quest, WinXP SP1....

Hi. I'm running w98. I didn't read your post through well enough. But I did want to mention that xp, etc., has the ability to run more threads at the same time, and better ability to take advantage of the cpu's abilities.

But this doesn't explain why there's such a great difference in the benchmarks when there's but a 0.2GHz difference in speed. That's what I'm trying to know about.

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What os are you running?

If this is in reply to my quest, WinXP SP1....

Hi. I'm running w98. I didn't read your post through well enough. But I did want to mention that xp, etc., has the ability to run more threads at the same time, and better ability to take advantage of the cpu's abilities.

What os are you running?

If this is in reply to my quest, WinXP SP1....

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What os are you running?

I always look at my stats (that is: BOINCstats) to check for errors, and I have watched the number 1 host in SETI for a couple of days now. The number 1 is a new system every day (another ID) with just a bit more credit, but the same specifications.

Today that system has id 1261329 but when checked (here it has already zero credits, so it probably moved to a new ID again.

What is happening here?

What I'm puzzled about is this:

Yours:
Measured floating point speed: 3152.38 million ops/sec
Measured integer speed: 7737.68 million ops/sec

Mine:
Measured floating point speed: 1146.41 million ops/sec
Measured integer speed: 1491.67 million ops/sec

Now, I'm definitely no expert in CPUs, but this looks out of the ordinary to me. You're running a 3.0GHz P4, I'm running a 2.8GHz P4. The only real difference I saw was the fact you have double the memory I have.

Can someone, with greater knowledge about CPUs, explain how these 2 CPUs can have that great a difference? >:-| |-:<

[EDIT:]
I know that the PC in question is not yours, I just equated it as yours for simplicity.... >:-)
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