UPLOADING II --- I is TOOOOOO big

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Digitalis Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 24 Jul 99 Posts: 93 Credit: 85,678 RAC: 0	Message 139253 - Posted: 19 Jul 2005, 21:39:58 UTC - in response to Message 139241. But the computer can't be overcommitted on uploading work units only. They are no longer a care for the work scheduler, they live in the upload queue, where the scheduler doesn't care what happens to them. I don't understand this bit either. But if he attaches to a new project his resource shares will change and should cause the scheduler to make a new calculation. It would be interesting to see what would happen. ID: 139253 ·

Jord Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Jun 99 Posts: 15157 Credit: 4,362,181 RAC: 6	Message 139241 - Posted: 19 Jul 2005, 21:25:42 UTC John Henry's computer is at this moment already overcommitted, so even if he connected to another project, it wouldn't matter. As long as Boinc says "no new work fetch, computer is overcommitted", for whatever reason, he won't be able to download new work from other projects. Or as far as I know, I don't think so. John Henry, question: Are you sure that the list is empty, you have only got uploads waiting to go out? Something must still be running, else you cannot have the overcommitted message coming up. With the new scheduler, any work unit close to its deadline will make Boinc refuse to get more work, have it run in earliest deadline mode first. The message that it's overcommitted is never on its own. So what is the rest of the messages around that one? Anything alike this: [---] Suspending work fetch because computer is overcommitted. [---] Using earliest-deadline-first scheduling because computer is overcommitted. That just means that a unit that is still running is close to its deadline. All of the CPU power goes to trying to get that unit done before it gets to its deadline. When that unit is done, you'll see messages like this: [---] Allowing work fetch again. [---] Resuming round-robin CPU scheduling. But the computer can't be overcommitted on uploading work units only. They are no longer a care for the work scheduler, they live in the upload queue, where the scheduler doesn't care what happens to them. ID: 139241 ·

Rudy Ackerman Send message Joined: 12 Apr 00 Posts: 15 Credit: 24,776 RAC: 0	Message 139220 - Posted: 19 Jul 2005, 20:59:25 UTC Last modified: 19 Jul 2005, 21:00:28 UTC I understand problems, but with a number of processed units in my transfer folder and now it appears I'm unable to down load more, I have just reduced the Seti cpu time to 25%. If the WU are not uploaded by tonight I'll add a 3rd project and set seti to zero CPU time. I'm not pissed or mad, just will switch to other projects that are working for a while. Not there is an option when you are unable to down load more WU. :) ID: 139220 ·

Tigher Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 18 Mar 04 Posts: 1547 Credit: 760,577 RAC: 0	Message 139213 - Posted: 19 Jul 2005, 20:48:01 UTC - in response to Message 139206. I'm not running any other projects. Only Seti. Long story, but I went through a lot of times when every single one of the others would not give new data because it was dedicated to another client type, or because the other was down, or, etc., etc., so I have given up on all but Seti. Like the others said you should consider attaching to at least one other project. Einstein, PP and LHC have been supplying work regularly for the past while. You can see a comparison of availability here </p> I think LHC has closed to new starters again already...they got their 8000 I think. I'm still waiting for an executable from orbit......unless its all goin on and I got a fault lol! ID: 139213 ·

Digitalis Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 24 Jul 99 Posts: 93 Credit: 85,678 RAC: 0	Message 139206 - Posted: 19 Jul 2005, 20:28:36 UTC - in response to Message 139167. Last modified: 19 Jul 2005, 20:32:23 UTC I'm not running any other projects. Only Seti. Long story, but I went through a lot of times when every single one of the others would not give new data because it was dedicated to another client type, or because the other was down, or, etc., etc., so I have given up on all but Seti. Like the others said you should consider attaching to at least one other project. Einstein, PP and LHC have been supplying work regularly for the past while. You can see a comparison of availability here </p> ID: 139206 ·

Tigher Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 18 Mar 04 Posts: 1547 Credit: 760,577 RAC: 0	Message 139201 - Posted: 19 Jul 2005, 20:22:02 UTC Last modified: 19 Jul 2005, 20:22:30 UTC Yeah if these things were to be said face to face they would not come out this way at all and we would all be drinking beer drunk under a table at midnight....as buddies!. ID: 139201 ·

Qui-Gon Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 2940 Credit: 19,199,902 RAC: 25	Message 139198 - Posted: 19 Jul 2005, 20:17:47 UTC - in response to Message 139187. yep, that's it. everyone bash everyone else. shows that you are more interested in being right, than making this volunteer project work. real mature, why not grow up, put temperments aside, and figure out how this thing can get fixed, or wait until the berkeley team gets it fixed, instead of just arguing until you have the last word, nope, its a board, they will have the last word, nope its a board, i can comment again even more angrily, nope its a board, they will come back even harder, nope its a board... uh, is this getting clear? Just grow up, and work together, sound like we are turning into the same as Muslims versus Christians. instead of humanity working together. no wonder we are all doomed. Thanks for your input. I almost didn't respond, but it bothers me that you think we are "all doomed". Even the unbridled rancor that sometimes shows up on these boards is not enough to discourage me from a firm belief that things will get/are getting better: in this project and in the world. Don't let the ranting of others (myself included) convince you that things are all that bad, especially considering that very, very few of these things would ever be said face-to-face, but since no one is going to be punched out over the internet, lots of people go overboard . . . it doesn't mean that things are as bad as the words seem to indicate. ID: 139198 ·

Tigher Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 18 Mar 04 Posts: 1547 Credit: 760,577 RAC: 0	Message 139197 - Posted: 19 Jul 2005, 20:15:26 UTC I agree with Jim. I am one of the biggest critics here but I hope seen in a constructive sense. Its worth it I think to stay the course. We all make a good contribution. I think we should be able to moan but at the same time offer thoughts on how it could be better. Its a rocky road and I get uptight with it too but I will not give in....they are only dumb computers after all and they will be tamed. Stay....please.... ID: 139197 ·

jshenry1963 Send message Joined: 17 Nov 04 Posts: 182 Credit: 68,878 RAC: 0	Message 139194 - Posted: 19 Jul 2005, 20:13:28 UTC this is exactly the same discussion that was held 1 year ago, when boinc was having oodles of problems, then again 10 months ago when boinc was having oodles of problems, then 8 months ago when boinc was having oodles of problems, then 4 mos ago when boinc was having oodles of problems. the growing pains excuse is getting too old. each time these things happen, that is the excuse, it is just growing pains, and tomorrow we will be working 100% again. well, i'm tired of having to reset my project because of... and i'm tired of having to wait until tomrrow, 365 days and still waiting. the same is said for the other projects, sorry, cpdn is not connecting now, didn't for 3 mos, then the project itself got reset, sorry, but all 3 mos work was lost, nothing i did, just the problem with boinc and cpdn at the time. then the e@h problems that occurred, and the predictor problems that occurred. i had more p@h coming in due tot he schedule than could get completed. so i started timing out p@h, no matter what the settings were. told the guys at p@h, adn they jumped down my throat. then, hundreds of others had the same problem. but of course, the people reporting the problems were wrong, and had to reset, and lost all, and then got boinc limited. let me see, i have probably 100 more examples of where this has crashed for everyone over the last year, i got into this because i was enthusiastic about trying to help the world, and all it ended up being was trying to keep it running, one problem after another, nothing i did wrong, all well documented and known problems with the boinc or seti or 3@h or p@h or cpdn software, and when i brought it up, i got the hell beat out of me by reading all of the board postings of why i wasn't tolerant enough. well... sorry, as you can see, i'm tired of trying to volunteer and make this work, it isn't fun anymore, taking too much of not only the extra work time i have, but into the evenings when i should be doing things with family, into the nights when i should be sleeping, and it just isn't worth it anymore. that is how i ended up now only with one machine, and now it too can't get any work, and has over 50 to upload, yet it says it is over committed, .... i didn't drop projects when they had a problem, no i stuck with it, worked out the solution as it unfolded on the boards, and kept on crunchin, but it happened again, and again, and again, and again, not just one project doing this, all of them had many many many times when it itself had so many problems that it couldn't upload or download or connect or cogent or this or that. Thanks, and Keep on crunchin' John Henry KI4JPL Sevierville TN I started with nothing, and I still have some of it left. <img src="http://www.boincstats.com/stats/banner.php?cpid=989478996ebd8eadba8f0809051cdde2"> ID: 139194 ·

Jim Baize Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 6 May 00 Posts: 758 Credit: 149,536 RAC: 0	Message 139188 - Posted: 19 Jul 2005, 20:04:30 UTC - in response to Message 139167. I'm sorry that you feel this way about BOINC, Seti, and all of the other projects. yes, each project has it's own set of problems. Boinc is breaking new ground, and with it comes a very sharp learning curve for those involved in the development. If it was easy, everyone would be doing it. But everyone isn't doing it, just this group of people at Berkeley. One of the things you mentioned (as I understood you to say) was that you would drop a project when it was having problems. Obviously, that is your perogative to do, however, the beauty of BOINC is that if one project is having problems (as is SETI right now) the other projects under the BOINC architecture are there to pick up the slack without any intervention from the user. As seen in these forums, there are plenty of people making this adjustment or that adjustment in an effort to help alliviate some of the congestion at Berkeley, however this is not required. I hope you decide to stay with BOINC beit with SETI or one of the other fine projects available. They all have come a long way. They are all much more mature projects than in the past. If you still decide to take that month off, I wish you luck. I hope you can find the peace for which you are searching. Jim I'm not running any other projects. Only Seti. Long story, but I went through a lot of times when every single one of the others would not give new data because it was dedicated to another client type, or because the other was down, or, etc., etc., so I have given up on all but Seti. I use to be 3 machines, and due to the countless problems in downloads and uploads, servers down, etc., etc., I am now down to one machine. Now, it can't even get Seti. ID: 139188 ·

jshenry1963 Send message Joined: 17 Nov 04 Posts: 182 Credit: 68,878 RAC: 0	Message 139187 - Posted: 19 Jul 2005, 20:03:53 UTC yep, that's it. everyone bash everyone else. shows that you are more interested in being right, than making this volunteer project work. real mature, why not grow up, put temperments aside, and figure out how this thing can get fixed, or wait until the berkeley team gets it fixed, instead of just arguing until you have the last word, nope, its a board, they will have the last word, nope its a board, i can comment again even more angrily, nope its a board, they will come back even harder, nope its a board... uh, is this getting clear? Just grow up, and work together, sound like we are turning into the same as Muslims versus Christians. instead of humanity working together. no wonder we are all doomed. Thanks, and Keep on crunchin' John Henry KI4JPL Sevierville TN I started with nothing, and I still have some of it left. <img src="http://www.boincstats.com/stats/banner.php?cpid=989478996ebd8eadba8f0809051cdde2"> ID: 139187 ·

Tigher Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 18 Mar 04 Posts: 1547 Credit: 760,577 RAC: 0	Message 139186 - Posted: 19 Jul 2005, 20:01:39 UTC - in response to Message 139166. Tigher, I was one of them requesting the Author to make a new thread. I appreciate it being done and noticed the Author of "Upload I" did indeed close his thread so it seems he's OK with it. you did wait a while before starting the new one. Thanks (although I wish he'd have done it for protocol purposes) tony OK Tony thanks. ID: 139186 ·

Fuzzy Hollynoodles Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 9659 Credit: 251,998 RAC: 0	Message 139184 - Posted: 19 Jul 2005, 19:57:51 UTC - in response to Message 139177. Please do not bully me over this act. It was done with the very best of intentions and the original author was not online to act. Tigher, you were right to do that. Just ignore the bashing. I saw that guy call you an attention whore in another thread. And if you took a more closer look at his postings, you (and others) would see he has seldom any good words for anybody. He, and his comrads, are here to make trouble. If we ignore them, maybe they'll go away. Although I doubt it... In case anybody wonders who this gang is, they are: Iran t'k-ASS-i, Ms Fit, Flossy PoodleNoodles, and Korporal awe-tar. Plus a couple of more perifer members. How mature! "I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me ID: 139184 ·

Qui-Gon Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 2940 Credit: 19,199,902 RAC: 25	Message 139183 - Posted: 19 Jul 2005, 19:52:45 UTC - in response to Message 139177. Please do not bully me over this act. It was done with the very best of intentions and the original author was not online to act. Tigher, you were right to do that. Just ignore the bashing. I saw that guy call you an attention whore in another thread. And if you took a more closer look at his postings, you (and others) would see he has seldom any good words for anybody. He, and his comrads, are here to make trouble. If we ignore them, maybe they'll go away. Although I doubt it... In case anybody wonders who this gang is, they are: Iran t'k-ASS-i, Ms Fit, Flossy PoodleNoodles, and Korporal awe-tar. Plus a couple of more perifer members. That's nice. You complain about bad treatment by the "gang" then you go out of your way to belittle and insult them. What did you prove? You simply showed yourself to be as bad as you claim the so-called gang to be. ID: 139183 ·

Prognatus Send message Joined: 6 Jul 99 Posts: 1600 Credit: 391,546 RAC: 0	Message 139177 - Posted: 19 Jul 2005, 19:46:59 UTC - in response to Message 139155. Please do not bully me over this act. It was done with the very best of intentions and the original author was not online to act. Tigher, you were right to do that. Just ignore the bashing. I saw that guy call you an attention whore in another thread. And if you took a more closer look at his postings, you (and others) would see he has seldom any good words for anybody. He, and his comrads, are here to make trouble. If we ignore them, maybe they'll go away. Although I doubt it... In case anybody wonders who this gang is, they are: Iran t'k-ASS-i, Ms Fit, Flossy PoodleNoodles, and Korporal awe-tar. Plus a couple of more perifer members. ID: 139177 ·

jshenry1963 Send message Joined: 17 Nov 04 Posts: 182 Credit: 68,878 RAC: 0	Message 139167 - Posted: 19 Jul 2005, 19:36:32 UTC I'm not running any other projects. Only Seti. Long story, but I went through a lot of times when every single one of the others would not give new data because it was dedicated to another client type, or because the other was down, or, etc., etc., so I have given up on all but Seti. I use to be 3 machines, and due to the countless problems in downloads and uploads, servers down, etc., etc., I am now down to one machine. Now, it can't even get Seti. Don't jump down my throat, as is the custom for most people who bring up an issue on this board. He who speaks here gets his head ripped off because of some lame ass hole who has nothing better to do than cut someone else down. I'm sorry, I have been seti'ing for a year or so, and have been so many of these problems that I'm about ready to give up. When one problem comes up, like the servers are not uploading well, then it kills your work unit per day to 1 due to you not uploading more than a work unit per day, when you have crunched hundreds, yet the server is down, yet your scheduler says you aren't doing anything good for the project, so it limits you, etc., etc., When another problem comes up and you can't run any project because boinc crashes, only to find out that the version you are on is not an official version. When everyone is talking about that version and what good it does, only to find the problem, and then get lambasted by the cheer leaders that you are doing the wrong thing by using that version. When in the previous thread they were saying how good that version was. So I drop back to the official, again, another maintenance thing that I am of course the problem simply because I said I had a problem. Jumped on again. I'm sorry, but I am tired of this way of working. He who raises an issue gets his throat ripped out to the sacrificial holier than thou fat cow boinc almighty. I'll check back in a month or so and see if these supposed experts can get this thing running as good as seti classic use to run when i signed up with it last year. But of course, I know that will make my work unit per day allocation probably be 0.05, because I am a bad boy and haven't uploaded the work that I was given... tsk tsk, bad boy, even though the dam(*ed thing won't let me. But the dam()ed scheduler doesn't care, it just sees... sorry, rambling, hope you can see my overall satisfaction with the way this system is going. Thanks, and Keep on crunchin' John Henry KI4JPL Sevierville TN I started with nothing, and I still have some of it left. <img src="http://www.boincstats.com/stats/banner.php?cpid=989478996ebd8eadba8f0809051cdde2"> ID: 139167 ·

Astro Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 16 Apr 02 Posts: 8026 Credit: 600,015 RAC: 0	Message 139166 - Posted: 19 Jul 2005, 19:33:19 UTC Tigher, I was one of them requesting the Author to make a new thread. I appreciate it being done and noticed the Author of "Upload I" did indeed close his thread so it seems he's OK with it. you did wait a while before starting the new one. Thanks (although I wish he'd have done it for protocol purposes) tony ID: 139166 ·

Tigher Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 18 Mar 04 Posts: 1547 Credit: 760,577 RAC: 0	Message 139155 - Posted: 19 Jul 2005, 19:18:20 UTC - in response to Message 138704. Last modified: 19 Jul 2005, 19:19:41 UTC We need to think about dial up users....even my 2Meg is taking a fair time to get this thread up. PLEASE carry on here guys. So! You take it upon yourself to spawn/hijack another authors thread. Tsk tsk tsk. That is most un-cool. If the original author wanted to spawn HIS/HER own thread, they would have. I tell you what I'm going to do. I'm going to go through ALL the threads in NC and count how many have the topic of "uploads". Why ANYONE wants to rehash and rehash and rehash this topic is beyond me. We ALL know that there is a problem. The SETI/BOINC devs KNOW that there is a problem and have posted a notice about that. You can expect to see posts from me in your myriad other threads.... Whats the problem with this? There requests from dial up users at 13:26 and 14:48 UTC to have a second thread. The owner was not here. We waited nearly 6 hours for a new thread. It was unusable. So I created one so the discussion could carry on. I did not hijack.....I rescued. Please do not bully me over this act. It was done with the very best of intentions and the original author was not online to act. Thank you Regards ID: 139155 ·

fic Send message Joined: 15 Jul 99 Posts: 57 Credit: 1,075,709 RAC: 0	Message 139114 - Posted: 19 Jul 2005, 17:51:10 UTC - in response to Message 139101. I just had another one! Why are these suddenly so common...? I wonder if something is happening on the server... good or bad. Got the same thing today as well. I was just about to post about it... You beat me to it ;-) Nice to know one is not alone! ;) I had at least 6 of them today. Was pressing the "retry now"-button when I noticed. After the upload reached the 100%, it still took some 2 minutes before I got disconnected with a retry-result. I'm thinking of saving all my results on floppy and send the disk to Berkeley. In these modern times, this must be the fastest way... :-) ID: 139114 ·

Prognatus Send message Joined: 6 Jul 99 Posts: 1600 Credit: 391,546 RAC: 0	Message 139101 - Posted: 19 Jul 2005, 17:21:33 UTC Last modified: 19 Jul 2005, 17:31:33 UTC I just had another one! Why are these suddenly so common...? I wonder if something is happening on the server... good or bad. Got the same thing today as well. I was just about to post about it... You beat me to it ;-) Nice to know one is not alone! ;) ID: 139101 ·

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