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 Daniel Michel  Send message Joined: 2 Feb 04 Posts: 14922 Credit: 1,378,607 RAC: 13 
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Jack, you left stretch marks on the thread. Firefox? yep...looks good in my FIREFOX too!  PROUD TO BE TFFE! ID: 132517 ·  |
Fuzzy Hollynoodles  Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 9659 Credit: 251,998 RAC: 0 |
Jack, you left stretch marks on the thread. Firefox? Nope, mine is fine! Mozilla Firefox here! "I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me 
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Darth Dogbytes™ Send message Joined: 30 Jul 03 Posts: 7512 Credit: 2,021,148 RAC: 0
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Jack, you left stretch marks on the thread. Firefox? Well, I guess that may apply to someone's oral cavity...or brain? Anyway back at the ranch.......where were we? Account frozen... ID: 132505 · |
Jack Lass  Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 120 Credit: 41,972 RAC: 0
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Haha! Priceless. Neb old man you're either being obtuse or purposely insulting. In either case you haven't responded to the posts above. Now while one likes things to be neat and tidy I can say with some authority that has never been a sine qua non of the SETI boards. Still, if it will make you happy...and you seem a happy-go-lucky sort of a guy, I'll start a new thread on the subject and we can discuss things there. THE MOTHER OF FOOLS IS ALWAYS PREGNANT I'M TROLLING FOR FOOLS. THIS MUST BE THE PLACE! ID: 132499 · |
Nebby  Send message Joined: 14 May 99 Posts: 54 Credit: 1,896,156 RAC: 0
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Haha! Priceless. OK, back to the subject of the thread now. ID: 132463 · |
PanMan  Send message Joined: 6 Apr 04 Posts: 70 Credit: 80,415 RAC: 0 
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Dont even mention that in jest thats all we need another job for inter cops if i see one more illegal american invaison &*%^*$&**(. Illegal war = not authorised by the United Nations. America, england and australia (with some minor coalition nations) broke international law when they invaded iraq despite a UN Sanction against it, when they realised that france and russia were going to veto any such action in the UN. So they just did it anyway before it could be stoped, quite a number of countries are still calling for charges to be laid such as war crimes. PS Do you remember the whole weapons of mass destruction call. if that was the big issue and not oil which they claimed it was until they couldnt find any (funny how that shifted it was so subtle no one noticed)i wonder how north korea got away with it they were fairly screaming hey see our shiny new nuclear weapons but no oil. ID: 132354 · |
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PanMan Send message Joined: 6 Apr 04 Posts: 70 Credit: 80,415 RAC: 0
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Darth Dogbytes™ Send message Joined: 30 Jul 03 Posts: 7512 Credit: 2,021,148 RAC: 0
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Jack, you forgot the billions of tax payer dollars being wasted in that Iraqi sink hole, which could have been better spent here at home in America. Drilling for oil in the Alaska wilderness areas comes to mind. Well, as they say, sarcasm is the lowest form of wit, but when it smacks of the truth...we're in trouble. Account frozen... ID: 132341 · |
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Jack Lass Send message Joined: 22 Mar 02 Posts: 120 Credit: 41,972 RAC: 0
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Dont even mention that in jest thats all we need another job for inter cops if i see one more illegal american invaison &*%^*$&**(. Dear Nebby: I am curious to know what dreamworld you live in. Do you actually not know that many of your fellow Americans truly believed that Iraqui oil was a major reason for our illegal invasion of Iraq? Do you actually no know that there are such things as illegal wars? Ever hear of Nazi Germany. We hanged a lot of people after that one for waging illegal war. This nation was under no imminent threat of invasion by Iraq. We know that Iraq had no part in the tragedy of 9/11. We know that there were no weapons of mass destruction. We know that long before the bogus attempt to justify the invasion, the Administration had plans to invade. Now, I'm no lawyer, but Nebby I could make a pretty damned good case that this was an illegal war, that this is an illegal occupation, and that the result has been the destruction of thousands of Iraqui lives, the death and maiming of thousands of American boys and girls, and the effective growth in terrorism. But the President tells us we're doing OK and he would never lie. THE MOTHER OF FOOLS IS ALWAYS PREGNANT I'M TROLLING FOR FOOLS. THIS MUST BE THE PLACE! ID: 132338 · |
RDC  Send message Joined: 17 May 99 Posts: 544 Credit: 1,215,728 RAC: 0
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Yes, I know that poverty exists in this world. I also know it exists, right in my own neighborhood. I urge those of you that are considering giving money to the large multinational charities to give a part of that money as either cash, or in kind, to your local charities as well. Way too often, they are forgotten in this day and age. How right you are that charity should begin at home. While the African plight needs attention, so do many of the worthy charities right in each of our own backyards. The main problem I have with many of the national and multi-national charities is that little of a donation actually gets through as much is sucked up in administrative expenses and questionable activities (remember the Red Cross donation fiasco after 9/11). In addition the national and multi-national charities also get the celebrity and media support while local charities such as the neighborhood food bank, that many depend on to survive, struggle to make ends meet rather quietly. While it may sound selfish, I'd rather give to those in my community that are truly needy rather than send my donations off to a large multi-national charity where little of my donation actually reaches the people. At least with most local charities near me, 94% to 100% of the donations make it to those that need it. The national and multi-national charities are no better than the local charities right in my back yard.  To truly explore, one must keep an open mind... ID: 132301 · |
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Nebby Send message Joined: 14 May 99 Posts: 54 Credit: 1,896,156 RAC: 0
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Dont even mention that in jest thats all we need another job for inter cops if i see one more illegal american invaison &*%^*$&**(. I wasn’t suggesting there be an invasion. I was merely making a point that while people support helping people in Africa, they don’t want to treat the disease. They want to treat the symptoms. Fixing tough issues often requires tough solutions. By the way, who ever said anything about America? I didn’t realize people really believe that America went to war in Iraq for oil. I also didn’t realize that there was such thing as an illegal war…illegal to whom? ID: 132253 · |
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Darth Dogbytes™ Send message Joined: 30 Jul 03 Posts: 7512 Credit: 2,021,148 RAC: 0
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"Several times a year, I buy a few cases of assorted canned food, and take it down to a local food bank (for distribution to the truely needy). In the spring, I will buy a fan (wish I could afford to buy a window airconditioner unit, but I am not THAT rich), and in the fall, I will buy a blanket, and maybe a winter coat. These, I take down to the appropriate local charity for distribution. And for the gift-giving holiday season (christmas, etc.), I will buy and donate a few toys, so that a poor child or two can have at least a LITTLE joy during the season. Yes, I know that poverty exists in this world. I also know it exists, right in my own neighborhood. I urge those of you that are considering giving money to the large multinational charities to give a part of that money as either cash, or in kind, to your local charities as well. Way too often, they are forgotten in this day and age." You are oh so correct, charity should begin at home. I remember sending US$100 for the Tsunami relief, which I still don't begrudge, knowing that perhaps US$25 of it would reach the victims. Most of the money has been diverted into pet projects of the various nations to improve or create new tourists resorts as an example. Last year I had saved hundreds of meal comps from various Las Vegas casinos. I took these down to a local mission area, walking around and passing them out to homeless people at random, so they could have a really good meal, rather than the army style slop they feed the poor people. While there are many grifters among the homeless begging for money I am more selective about handing out cash. I saw a very old man in a wheel chair living on the streets asking for money. At first, I only gave him one dollar, but noticed he didn't smell of alcohol, and tried to keep himself somewhat clean. I talked to him briefly and found out he was a vet; I gave him another bill this time, a twenty and went on my way. Just a few weeks ago I met a homeless person wanting money to eat with. I told him I wouldn't give him any money (knowing alot of them use it to buy drugs or booze) but offered to take him into a restaurant and buy him lunch. He greatfully accepted, and during lunch I learned than he was a drug addict who had just kicked his habit. He had no clothes except what he we wearing, so I took him over to Walmart and got him several t-shirts, two pairs of pants, underwear and socks. I've seen him since and he now has employment and is getting his life back together slowly. I do not do it as a Christian charity since I'm an atheist, but the saying goes, "there but for the grace of God, go I." Putting a check into the mail is a crap shoot, but doing it yourself gives you immearsurable satisfaction, i.e. feeling warm and fuzzy inside. [b] @ PanMan - that was a real boner about African resources vis-a-vis oil. Nigeria is a major player in OPEC. Account frozen... ID: 132233 · |
AC  Send message Joined: 22 Jan 05 Posts: 3413 Credit: 119,579 RAC: 0
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So, we (those of us with the means to do so) have a choice. On the one hand, we can write checks and give to the large, multinational charities doing work over in the under-developed nations, and HOPE that those charities can buy what is needed and somehow sneak it past the foreign governments that are all too often corrupt... Or, we can (what I do) give in kind to local charities... Or, we can do both. Thank you for sharing your personal experiences and your story of kindness towards those that are much less fortunate. It was a very nice post to read. Honestly, I haven't really given that much to charities in the past. It's a somewhat chaotic world with so many things to do, so it is easy for many people (such as myself) to forget about all of the less fortunate people that are out there. ID: 132206 · |
Sir Ulli  Send message Joined: 21 Oct 99 Posts: 2246 Credit: 6,136,250 RAC: 0 
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who was not able to look st this if you have Emule or Bittorrent installed search for Live8 :) Greetings from Germany NRW Ulli  ID: 132193 · |
Dominique  Send message Joined: 3 Mar 05 Posts: 1628 Credit: 74,745 RAC: 0
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ps 7% of the world total what are joking. Joking? No and neither do these players. All the major international oil companies have a presence in Africa. The upstream oil industry is key to the continent of Africa and it's financial future. Go sit down and chill and have yourself an ice cold "Full Sail". ID: 132191 · |
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PanMan Send message Joined: 6 Apr 04 Posts: 70 Credit: 80,415 RAC: 0
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yes, I know that poverty exists in this world. I also know it exists, right in my own neighborhood. I urge those of you that are considering giving money to the large multinational charities to give a part of that money as either cash, or in kind, to your local charities as well. Way too often, they are forgotten in this day and age. Having grown up in similar circumstances to what you describe i am humbled by your goodness i had to rely on the kindness of people like you as a kid and this entire topic let alone your statements have shamed me that i dont do more now that i am able. keep up the good work. ID: 132183 · |
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PanMan Send message Joined: 6 Apr 04 Posts: 70 Credit: 80,415 RAC: 0
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[quote]ohh dont worry africa has no oil only diamonds and no american president will get re-elected on a cheaper diamond bill. And what are you smoking? wow handy figures pity they mean nothing to the topic by no means would an invasion of africa (or part of it) have an efect on the fuel price in america as in iraq that was my point and your own figures point that out, the oil industry in africa is to widely dispersed. ps 7% of the world total what are joking. ID: 132178 · |
KWSN - MajorKong  Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0
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Back when I was growing up in rural NorthEast Texas (about 30 years ago), there was poverty and starvation all around me. Many of my friends did not have running water or electricty in their 'houses'. Many of these 'houses' had leaking roofs, no cooling in the summer, precious little heat in the winter, and most had dirt floors. The 'toilet' was an outhouse, and the 'bath/shower' was down in the creek. They had precious little food to eat, and virtually no money. Those of us that DID get enough to eat at home usually gave the bulk of our school lunches to the really POOR kids during the school year, so that they would have extra. All too frequently, the school lunch was ALL the food those kids got to eat on school days. So, yes, I have seen poverty and starvation in what was virtually my own back yard. I moved to an urban area after I grew up. Just like many citizens of the USA, I know that poverty and starvation exists in this world, even today. However, unlike many (possibly most) of them, I was sensitized to its presence around me, in my own 'neck of the woods'. Yes, many people in underdeveloped foriegn nations are going hungry. At the same time, however, many people in my (and YOUR) own backyard are going hungry too. So, we (those of us with the means to do so) have a choice. On the one hand, we can write checks and give to the large, multinational charities doing work over in the under-developed nations, and HOPE that those charities can buy what is needed and somehow sneak it past the foreign governments that are all too often corrupt... Or, we can (what I do) give in kind to local charities... Or, we can do both. Several times a year, I buy a few cases of assorted canned food, and take it down to a local food bank (for distribution to the truely needy). In the spring, I will buy a fan (wish I could afford to buy a window airconditioner unit, but I am not THAT rich), and in the fall, I will buy a blanket, and maybe a winter coat. These, I take down to the appropriate local charity for distribution. And for the gift-giving holiday season (christmas, etc.), I will buy and donate a few toys, so that a poor child or two can have at least a LITTLE joy during the season. Yes, I know that poverty exists in this world. I also know it exists, right in my own neighborhood. I urge those of you that are considering giving money to the large multinational charities to give a part of that money as either cash, or in kind, to your local charities as well. Way too often, they are forgotten in this day and age. https://youtu.be/iY57ErBkFFE #Texit Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016. Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power. ID: 132177 · |
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Dominique Send message Joined: 3 Mar 05 Posts: 1628 Credit: 74,745 RAC: 0
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ohh dont worry africa has no oil only diamonds and no american president will get re-elected on a cheaper diamond bill. And what are you smoking? Upstream Africa is a continent of 54 countries with an estimated mid-2000 population of 805 million people. The upstream oil industry is key to the continent of Africa, with proved reserves of 75.4 billion barrels (7% of the world's total) and in 1998 it produced 7.8 million barrels per day (381 million tons/year) of over 40 types of crude oil. Five countries dominate Africa's upstream oil production. Together they account for 85% of the continent's oil production and are, in order of decreasing output, Nigeria, Libya, Algeria, Egypt and Angola. Other oil producing countries are Gabon, Congo, Cameroon, Tunisia, Equatorial Guinea, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, and Cote d'Ivoire. Exploration is taking place in a number of other countries that aim to increase their output or become first time producers. Included in this list are Chad, Sudan, Namibia, South Africa and Madagascar while Mozambique and Tanzania are potential gas producers. Downstream The downstream oil industry comprises 44 refineries in 25 countries with a total distillation capacity of 3,000 thousand barrels per day which represents 4% of the world total. The major refining centres are in Egypt (19.2%), Algeria (16.7%), South Africa (15.6%), Nigeria (14.6%), Libya (11.6%), Morocco (5.2%) and Kenya (3.0%) in decreasing magnitude of refining capacity (1/1/99) as a percentage of total African capacity. South Africa also has synfuels production. All countries have marketing and distributing facilities. In addition to fuels, Africa has an active lubricants industry which encompasses base oil refining, lubricant blend, distribution and marketing. Major Players All the major international oil companies have a presence in Africa, but there are also local African oil companies. Most of the companies issue regular press releases which are a supplement to the news available about their activities and to the investment reports of investment analysts. The World Bank and other bodies have undertaken studies and produced reports on the African oil industry. In recent years, there have been several conferences devoted to the African oil industry in both the upstream and downstream sectors. =========================================================================== ID: 132172 · |
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PanMan Send message Joined: 6 Apr 04 Posts: 70 Credit: 80,415 RAC: 0
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Keith - Would you support the use of force to change the governments in Africa? Dont even mention that in jest thats all we need another job for inter cops if i see one more illegal american invaison &*%^*$&**(. ohh dont worry africa has no oil only diamonds and no american president will get re-elected on a cheaper diamond bill. ID: 132169 · |
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