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Message 131090 - Posted: 1 Jul 2005, 13:12:37 UTC - in response to Message 130711.  
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you need a backup project, one set to 1%, if seti runs out of work you still can crunch.


Boinc client is too unreliable and complicated for multiprojects right now, per this message board. Besides my passion is seti and I don't care about the other things much.

Why not connect to Seti Beta as well then? Ignore the message at the front page about how it's shut down, account creation is working. I got WU from them. :)



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Message 130924 - Posted: 1 Jul 2005, 5:14:49 UTC

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Message 130870 - Posted: 1 Jul 2005, 4:03:06 UTC - in response to Message 130845.  

I am attached to 15 (the sixteenth was Pirates (RIP)).


I'm leaving my pc's attached to pirates *sniff* , just for memory's sake.


A Sentimental type of guy, huh Neil?


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Message 130845 - Posted: 1 Jul 2005, 3:29:46 UTC - in response to Message 130780.  

I am attached to 15 (the sixteenth was Pirates (RIP)).


I'm leaving my pc's attached to pirates *sniff* , just for memory's sake.


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Message 130843 - Posted: 1 Jul 2005, 3:26:27 UTC - in response to Message 130674.  

It's pretty simple really: with higher demand (especially after several long outages) the splitters are barely keeping up. It's hard to tell from the server status page, but the # of results left to send is anywhere from 0 to 50 at any given time, meaning we're creating work that is immediately being snatched up by hungry clients. Also note the transitioners are falling behind - they are the guys that turn split work into available work to send out.

So basically as the weekend draws near and activity quiets down a bit, I'm sure we'll see bad queues drain and good queues fill.

- Matt


Just curious, with the optimized client basically doubling the output on most of my pc's and many other peoples are you noticing a big increase in the throughput of wu's ?

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Message 130833 - Posted: 1 Jul 2005, 3:11:55 UTC - in response to Message 130787.  

Boinc client is too unreliable and complicated for multiprojects right now, per this message board.

What are you talking about? I'm attached to 16 projects. What exactly is unreliable and complicated?

All I can do is look at the gripes on the message board.

Most of the gripes on the board right now concerning reliability are SETI only. The BOINC gripes seem to me to be around differences of opinions on scheduling and crediting, not reliability. BOINC is working, the projects are sometimes having problems.

But the real issue is that I'm not generally interested in running a bunch of projects. If the boinc work units didn't time out, then I would probably join one or two other ones. Since there is a time limit, a 1% time allocation is probably not really ever contribute.

A 1% allocation won't contribute much, time limit or no. But the scheduler makes sure that any downloaded units are completed on time, and then just doesn't download another until it's time to make up that 1%, or when there's no work available on the 99% project. You're covered for the inevitable outages and shortages, which are not the fault of BOINC but are intrinsic to the projects.

However, I want to attack the most scientifically difficult project I can, which is Seti. That is, there is or will be lots of money for biology computing, using better systems than boinc. But not a lot of Senators would stand up and defend ET. So government funding is going to be minimal and that is where I come in, in my small way.

Hear, hear! I don't see much support heading for pulsars and gravity waves either, so my main projects are SETI & Einstein, wiht the other two as backups on small resource shares. I'm still waiting to get through to SSL for fresh work here, but E@H has been keeping my main box busy (the other two don't go through them as fast, and didn't run out this time).

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Message 130808 - Posted: 1 Jul 2005, 2:43:50 UTC - in response to Message 130787.  

Boinc client is too unreliable and complicated for multiprojects right now, per this message board.

What are you talking about? I'm attached to 16 projects. What exactly is unreliable and complicated?


All I can do is look at the gripes on the message board.

But the real issue is that I'm not generally interested in running a bunch of projects. If the boinc work units didn't time out, then I would probably join one or two other ones. Since there is a time limit, a 1% time allocation is probably not really ever contribute. However, I want to attack the most scientifically difficult project I can, which is Seti. That is, there is or will be lots of money for biology computing, using better systems than boinc. But not a lot of Senators would stand up and defend ET. So government funding is going to be minimal and that is where I come in, in my small way.

Thanks for bragging though. 16 projects is really impressive.

4.4x will still meet the deadlines for any work downloaded (if at all possible), therefore the work will not be wasted. That project will not be contacted again for some time until the other projects have had a chance to catch up. Of course when a CPU is idle, the daemon will try to get work from any where that you are attached to.


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Message 130787 - Posted: 1 Jul 2005, 2:13:37 UTC - in response to Message 130734.  
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Boinc client is too unreliable and complicated for multiprojects right now, per this message board.

What are you talking about? I'm attached to 16 projects. What exactly is unreliable and complicated?


All I can do is look at the gripes on the message board.

But the real issue is that I'm not generally interested in running a bunch of projects. If the boinc work units didn't time out, then I would probably join one or two other ones. Since there is a time limit, a 1% time allocation is probably not really ever contribute. However, I want to attack the most scientifically difficult project I can, which is Seti. That is, there is or will be lots of money for biology computing, using better systems than boinc. But not a lot of Senators would stand up and defend ET. So government funding is going to be minimal and that is where I come in, in my small way.

Thanks for bragging though. 16 projects is really impressive.
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Message 130780 - Posted: 1 Jul 2005, 1:54:39 UTC - in response to Message 130734.  

Boinc client is too unreliable and complicated for multiprojects right now, per this message board.

What are you talking about? I'm attached to 16 projects. What exactly is unreliable and complicated?

I am attached to 15 (the sixteenth was Pirates (RIP)).


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Message 130776 - Posted: 1 Jul 2005, 1:45:26 UTC - in response to Message 130674.  
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It's pretty simple really: with higher demand (especially after several long outages) the splitters are barely keeping up. It's hard to tell from the server status page, but the # of results left to send is anywhere from 0 to 50 at any given time, meaning we're creating work that is immediately being snatched up by hungry clients. Also note the transitioners are falling behind - they are the guys that turn split work into available work to send out.

So basically as the weekend draws near and activity quiets down a bit, I'm sure we'll see bad queues drain and good queues fill.

- Matt


Hi Matt
thank you very much for your post and information.
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Message 130734 - Posted: 1 Jul 2005, 0:44:22 UTC - in response to Message 130711.  

Boinc client is too unreliable and complicated for multiprojects right now, per this message board.

What are you talking about? I'm attached to 16 projects. What exactly is unreliable and complicated?
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Message 130711 - Posted: 1 Jul 2005, 0:00:29 UTC - in response to Message 130692.  

you need a backup project, one set to 1%, if seti runs out of work you still can crunch.


Boinc client is too unreliable and complicated for multiprojects right now, per this message board. Besides my passion is seti and I don't care about the other things much.

Just checked and I got a wu. So I'm good for another 5000 seconds.
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Message 130705 - Posted: 30 Jun 2005, 23:50:08 UTC - in response to Message 130702.  

OT = Off Topic

?? Yes, that's the meaning i presumed
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Message 130702 - Posted: 30 Jun 2005, 23:44:08 UTC - in response to Message 130693.  

[(Totally) OT] I love it... ;) [/OT]


i lobe also the OT

btw

OT = Off Topic

:)

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Message 130693 - Posted: 30 Jun 2005, 23:36:00 UTC

[(Totally) OT] I love it... ;) [/OT]
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Message 130692 - Posted: 30 Jun 2005, 23:35:55 UTC

you need a backup project, one set to 1%, if seti runs out of work you still can crunch.
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Message 130686 - Posted: 30 Jun 2005, 23:28:59 UTC

I looked and no new wu's yet. I did notice that this crazy boinc client jumped over two blocks of 3-4 wu's (as listed from seti/boinc server page). It completed those on either side, but the other ones just aren't there. Maybe the server isn't going to give me any if I still have some?? But of course I don't. Catch-22
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Message 130683 - Posted: 30 Jun 2005, 23:23:42 UTC

Yes, of course there is a cache. But it seems that it is completing the wu's faster than it is receiving wu's. Not sure why, but that's the fact. Let's see what the night time brings. (Maybe we wont' have two more outages like last night)
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Message 130676 - Posted: 30 Jun 2005, 23:08:30 UTC - in response to Message 130670.  

Ok, I'm antsy. My fastest computer just ran out of work. Can't wait to read the tech news on today's fiasco's. Probably somebody stole the air conditioner to cool the registrar's office, or some such.


do you have no Cache...

i have no Probs with my Hosts here


to set up a Cache for BOINC SAH


Greetings from Germany NRW
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Message 130674 - Posted: 30 Jun 2005, 23:07:33 UTC

It's pretty simple really: with higher demand (especially after several long outages) the splitters are barely keeping up. It's hard to tell from the server status page, but the # of results left to send is anywhere from 0 to 50 at any given time, meaning we're creating work that is immediately being snatched up by hungry clients. Also note the transitioners are falling behind - they are the guys that turn split work into available work to send out.

So basically as the weekend draws near and activity quiets down a bit, I'm sure we'll see bad queues drain and good queues fill.

- Matt
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