Just one of the few, of the recent articles written about the newly discovered British secret memo is this well thought out treatise from Juan Cole.

Fair points out the timeline and scarcity of coverage of the story.

Not a dayum thing in either acticle that I had not heard months ago..

We get your point Paul.. You don't like war, even though freedom should defended. You don't like Bush even though you have to endure him for 3 and half more years.

I wonder if the spirits of the 3,500 people whose lives were snuffed out because of terrorists give a rats ass if a few dozen people are being interrogated with prejudice. I certainly don't if it will stop another slaughter like 9/11 (no matter where in the world it occurs).

Every time America has stepped in to oust a foreign power we have managed to put in someone far worse. This time our government is taking the time to ensure that the "far worse" scenario does not happen, and you bitch.

Freedom does not come easy or cheap to places that have been under the thumb of dictators like Sadam. It it not won cheap from people like Bin Laden. His beliefs are as rock solid as yours. Like you he will not listen to saner minds.

I have to wonder if you beleive that people should die under the rule of people like Bin Laden, the Taliban or Sadam? What on earth would you have to bitch about? Do the lost lives of so many mean nothing to you? Do you feel the lives of those that have already died defending the lives of all of those that would have died have been for nothing?

We have known for months that the sources used to justify the actions in Iraq were not true. Why is this new news to you and your so-called sources?

One final thought: Maybe the scarcity of coverage was because the REAL journalist realise that nobody likes to be reminded of the true cost of Freedom everyday and every hour.

"The First Rule of Alchemy: For everything taken a thing of equal value should be given".. It applies to real life to0, to bad you don't or won't see that.

Just one of the few, of the recent articles written about the newly discovered British secret memo is this well thought out treatise from Juan Cole.

Fair points out the timeline and scarcity of coverage of the story.

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Why is he even here????

I've asked a million times, and a million times I got no answer.

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Why is Garfield giving Pauly-poo a massage?

Doesn't this give you a clue??

You must have an inability to decipher irony when you see it........

......the clue? ......it's gone over your head.

No Paul It's on your Head!

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I liked the forums before color text. Now it looks like lipstick scrawled on glass.

The real irony is your inability to realize that your irony may be lost on people whose native language is not English...

Celtic Wolf, even my native language is not English, my sense for numbers is very good!


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Timestamp: 19 May 2005 17:46:02 UTC

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"I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me

As you said it yourself, "you must have an inability to decipher irony when you see it"...

And I've just had that assessment reconfirmed beyond any doubt.

My amusement grows with each post.....

The real irony is your inability to realize that your irony may be lost on people whose native language is not English...

And I've just had that assessment reconfirmed beyond any doubt.

My amusement grows with each post.....

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"I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me

As you said it yourself, "you must have an inability to decipher irony when you see it"...

And I've just had that assessment reconfirmed beyond any doubt.

My amusement grows with each post.....

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You must have an inability to decipher irony when you see it........

......the clue? ......it's gone over your head.

Oh yes, little stupid me! We, the riffraffs, the unintellectuals, the uneducated, and the plebeian illitterate can't comprehend the immensity of your grandiously intellect!

No, your "friend" - soon to be ex-friend - was very accurate, and I took his post very literal!!!

Your first post here was a question, if there is any intelligent life here on this board. I guess you must have concluded by now that this is not the case, so I wonder why you want to waste your unbelievable intelligence and superiour intellect here among us, the little people!

You must feel very alone, so misunderstood by all the inferiour beings surrounding you! Even people in your own county is not able to grasp your superiour ability to know what is for their benefits! My heart is bleeding borscht for you!

And, for your information, I'm not ironic or sarcastic at all! As you said it yourself, "you must have an inability to decipher irony when you see it"...

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"I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me

Doesn't this give you a clue??

You must have an inability to decipher irony when you see it........

......the clue? ......it's gone over your head.

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If you like to deny there might be something worthwhile in understanding history, link removed.

I can hear it now Paully-PooZ:
Paul, get your ASS off the phone and do some work around here before I get my rolling pin out again! [Paully-PooZ's wife trying to get him off the phone].

Paully-PooZ, you need to get a life and quit scouring the Internet for all this crap you are digging up that is said by disreputable ne'r-do-wells. I'm not pro-Bush but I take exception to bashing. KNOCK IT OFF!!!

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Winders 10 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

>>>Join the NOW Paul, think about the future-

The war is over- Get with it bro
The US won the war many months ago
And dont start with that flushing the Koran down the crapper rumor
No real American patriot would ever disrespect
The enemy's religion or put electrodes on someone's balls-
Gloria Patria- That's not the American way

Wake up Paul! -The war's over and the US won it
Dont you remember 'Shock & Awe'
Victory was declared long ago by the warrior president
It's true that in his time he was too busy to go to war
But dont hold that against the Man

We all know his first priority is to end the world's evil
In all its many non faith-based forms

In the future the entire world will will look back
To praise his great accomplishments

Let the guy do his job
So far he certainly has impressed most Americans
With his eloquence and strength of character

It's the damn malcontents always with their why, why , why whining
That's the real problem in America

The President of the USA can do anything he damn well pleases
God told him He wanted him to be president
He said so himself
The suicide bombers will all be dead soon from committing suicide
And then what's left of the NG's and Reservists can come back to their jobs and families
So get with the program, PZ-
After all, It's just a matter of a few more years....cc

Thank you, Carl!!! :-)

Paul Zimmerman, even your own buddy is now asking you to get real! Even he is abandoning you!! He got tired of all your BS also!!! Doesn't this give you a clue??

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"I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me

>>>Join the NOW Paul, think about the future-

The war is over- Get with it bro
The US won the war many months ago
And dont start with that flushing the Koran down the crapper rumor
No real American patriot would ever disrespect
The enemy's religion or put electrodes on someone's balls-
Gloria Patria- That's not the American way

Wake up Paul! -The war's over and the US won it
Dont you remember 'Shock & Awe'
Victory was declared long ago by the warrior president
It's true that in his time he was too busy to go to war
But dont hold that against the Man

We all know his first priority is to end the world's evil
In all its many non faith-based forms

In the future the entire world will will look back
To praise his great accomplishments

Let the guy do his job
So far he certainly has impressed most Americans
With his eloquence and strength of character

It's the damn malcontents always with their why, why , why whining
That's the real problem in America

The President of the USA can do anything he damn well pleases
God told him He wanted him to be president
He said so himself
The suicide bombers will all be dead soon from committing suicide
And then what's left of the NG's and Reservists can come back to their jobs and families
So get with the program, PZ-
After all, It's just a matter of a few more years....cc

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If you like to deny there might be something worthwhile in understanding history, don't look here.

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>>>Join the NOW Paul, think about the future-

The war is over- Get with it bro
The US won the war many months ago
And dont start with that flushing the Koran down the crapper rumor
No real American patriot would ever disrespect
The enemy's religion or put electrodes on someone's balls-
Gloria Patria- That's not the American way

Wake up Paul! -The war's over and the US won it
Dont you remember 'Shock & Awe'
Victory was declared long ago by the warrior president
It's true that in his time he was too busy to go to war
But dont hold that against the Man

We all know his first priority is to end the world's evil
In all its many non faith-based forms

In the future the entire world will will look back
To praise his great accomplishments

Let the guy do his job
So far he certainly has impressed most Americans
With his eloquence and strength of character

It's the damn malcontents always with their why, why , why whining
That's the real problem in America

The President of the USA can do anything he damn well pleases
God told him He wanted him to be president
He said so himself
The suicide bombers will all be dead soon from committing suicide
And then what's left of the NG's and Reservists can come back to their jobs and families
So get with the program, PZ-
After all, It's just a matter of a few more years....cc

FBI Says Grenade Tossed Near Bush Was Live

Was PZ in Russia lately?

WASHINGTON (AP) - A hand grenade that landed within 100 feet of President Bush during his visit last week to a former Soviet republic was a threat to his life and the safety of the tens of thousands in the crowd, the FBI said Wednesday.

The grenade was live but did not explode.

The White House, which initially said Bush never was in danger, said the incident May 10 in the Georgia's capital has led to a review of security at presidential events.

FBI agents are still investigating in Tbilisi, where tens of thousands of people heard Bush speak in strong support of Georgia's efforts at democratic development.

It was unclear how much danger the president faced.

According to the FBI's initial investigation, the grenade failed to explode only because of a malfunction. The activation device deployed too slowly to hit the blasting cap hard enough, agent Bryan Paarmann said.

The grenade was a knockoff of a Soviet-designed RGD-5, a fragmentation grenade with a lethal range of about 100 feet, according to a source familiar with the incident, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

"We consider this act to be a threat against the health and welfare of both the president of the United States and the president of Georgia as well as the multitude of Georgian people that had turned out at this event," Paarmann said.

No one in the U.S. delegation - Bush, his staff, members of the press that accompanied him and others - saw a grenade being tossed. There was no sign that anything was amiss during the president's half-hour appearance in Freedom Square.

Bush spoke from an armored podium on a stage shielded by bulletproof glass on the sides; there was no bulletproof shield across much of the stage's front.

U.S. officials are trying to determine whether the grenade was thrown with the intention of doing harm or was placed in the crowd for other reasons.

"There are a lot of security measures that the Secret Service takes," White House press secretary Scott McClellan said. "The Secret Service has the full trust of the president."

The grenade's discovery has led to questions about the adequacy of the extensive security measures used to protect the president.

The number of metal detectors set up by the Secret Service, based on predictions by Georgian authorities, proved far too few. The crowd was one of the largest Bush has addressed. After three hours, authorities were overwhelmed by the enormous number of people and let many go around the detectors.

"The Secret Service is looking into all those issues," McClellan said.

Georgian officials have suggested the device may have been planted to undermine the upbeat relations on display between Bush and Georgia's new West-leaning president, Mikhail Saakashvili.

The small nation has a large cast of potential culprits, including former government elites angry at Saakashvili's anti-corruption crackdown, supporters of two separatist regions aligned with Moscow, terrorists from the Pankisi Gorge and Russian saboteurs.

A law enforcement official said there are not any individual suspects nor any claims of responsibility. A reward of about $11,000 was offered for information about those responsible.

Bush's decision to go to Georgia - a poor, dangerous country struggling to make the transition from ex-communist backwater to economically thriving democracy - had his security detail jumpy for weeks.

At the May 10 event, Georgian police were out in force. U.S. snipers took positions on rooftops.

The grenade was wrapped in a dark plaid cloth. It was "tossed in the general direction of the main stage" about 1:30 p.m., right after Bush began speaking, and landed less than 100 feet shy of the podium, Paarmann said. After bouncing off a child's cap, the grenade was removed by a Georgian security officer.

Bush knew nothing about the grenade until he had left the country. Georgian authorities did not tell the president's security detail until after his plane had left for Washington.

At first, the White House said the president never was in danger. Georgian officials denied the incident had happened.

A day later, Georgian officials confirmed there had been a grenade but said it was found on the ground - not thrown, as the Secret Service had said. They also said it was an "engineering grenade" - which is not designed to spread shrapnel - and was found in inactive mode.

"Obviously we've learned more since," McClellan said.

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The Enterprise was stuck in a causality loop too!

Pauly-Poo's personal causality loop? Hmmmm....

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr XO - L L & P _\\//
USS Vre'kasht NCC-33187
Winders 10 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

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It wasn't long before some people decided that the topic was unworhy of any discussion...
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If you would think about the topic, it IS unworthy of discussion simply because it is OLD news and everyone already knows about it. Why re-hash the past? Join the NOW Paul, think about the future, not the past. Nothing can be done about the past, but, something can be done about the future....

The Enterprise was stuck in a causality loop too!