I meant to add this but it's too late to edit my post.

This isn't about parties either. Stop hiding behind that argument.

You don't have to be a liberal to know that it is wrong to lie to Congress and the public to justify a war.

I usually don't participate in these kinds of threads because they go nowhere. As such, I will not post here again. The ignorance and apathy (towards the thousands of Americans who are dying needlessly and the countless Iraqi civilians killed or maimed for life as our freedom tank rolls over their homes) of those supporting the current war was just so staggering I had to say something.

Feel free to rag on my 2 short posts, since I won't read this thread anymore anyway. I'll be too busy leading an independent, intelligent life where I hold my elected leaders responsible for their actions, especially when they lie to me. I'm an American, it's my duty. Maybe you'll join the club someday.

Ooh, a drive-by flame. Well, if anything you said about me was even near to being accurate, I might be upset, but your total disconnect with reality simply makes me pity you.

[Edit]: Take a closer look at the history of these posts next time you want to make unsubstantiated claims.

I meant to add this but it's too late to edit my post.

This isn't about parties either. Stop hiding behind that argument.

You don't have to be a liberal to know that it is wrong to lie to Congress and the public to justify a war.

I usually don't participate in these kinds of threads because they go nowhere. As such, I will not post here again. The ignorance and apathy (towards the thousands of Americans who are dying needlessly and the countless Iraqi civilians killed or maimed for life as our freedom tank rolls over their homes) of those supporting the current war was just so staggering I had to say something.

Feel free to rag on my 2 short posts, since I won't read this thread anymore anyway. I'll be too busy leading an independent, intelligent life where I hold my elected leaders responsible for their actions, especially when they lie to me. I'm an American, it's my duty. Maybe you'll join the club someday.

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I am new to this thread, and this is a synopsis of what I see:

Paul: "I don't like my president using lies and misinformation to send our country into war. He deceived the Congress and the people, and many people are dying because of it."

Freeper: "Hey Pauly-poo, you're too sensitive!"



War is bad.

War for no reason is worse.

People who support the latter while sitting behind their computer screens safe at home aren't human. If you are going to support a war that sends our young bretheren off to die, have the guts to go join them.

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That is most obvious to us Mr. Freeloader....

I'm perfectly content to act how, and when, I decide to on my own terms....

This is also most obvious to us Mr. Freeloader....

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I'll offer you some free advise..

Demonstrating thick-headedness now, hairball
I've already told you I don't need or intend to act on your 'advice'.....

That is most obvious to us Mr. Freeloader....

I'm perfectly content to act how, and when, I decide to on my own terms....

This is also most obvious to us Mr. Freeloader....

I've told you that before but you have some strange compunction to hear yourself speak as if you think I might care....

Paul, if you cared about ANYTHING, you would be bending over backwards getting BOINC to run on your pathetic computer. But, you're nothing but a freeloading loser who rather relishes in making life hell for everyone else, because your life is hell, because you can't win a political election, because you can't MAKE people agree with your rhetoric, just as your lack of success in doing the same thing here.

Rant on, hairball

I told you about the disrespect, Paul.

Seems it gives you something to do.... (one might wonder if you could spend your time more constructively, though....)

Save for you, we ARE doing something constructive. We're all crunching WUs for BOINC/SETI, something you refuse to do. Can you handle the truth, Paul? I don't believe so....

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"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

In its June 9 issue (on sale this week), the New York Review of Books is the first American print publication to publish the full secret British document, known as the Downing Street Memo....

Available now on the web..


The New York Review of Books
The Secret Way to War

Leaked to the London Sunday Times, which first published it on May 1, the memo offers irrefutable proof of the way in which the Bush administration made its decision to invade Iraq -- without significant consultation, reasonable intelligence on Iraq, or any desire to explore ways to avoid war -- and well before seeking a Congressional or United Nations mandate of any sort.


The only real questions -- other than those involving war planning -- were how to organize the intelligence in such a way as to promote the war to come and how to finesse Congress (and the UN).

While people often speak of the "road to war," in the case of the invasion of Iraq, as this document makes clear, a more accurate phrase might be "the bum's rush to war."

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What is Projection?

Imagine going to a restaurant and being charged $15 for your meal. You hand the cashier a $50 bill, but rather than giving you your change of $35, the cashier looks you straight in the eye and tells you again that your bill is $15, as though you haven't paid him anything. You protest, but now he denies that you've given him any money. He even seems mad himself, which strikes you as just outrageous, since he's the one trying to cheat you. And you're feeling quite angry by now too.

So, question: If you've been cheated by a "covert-aggressive individual" (CA), does the above scenario remind you in any way of your experience? Or, instead, does it actually illustrate what CAs themselves believe that they're constantly undergoing with other people -- getting the short end of things?

The answer, of course, is both. Remain around a CA long enough, and you will eventually find yourself being cheated at every turn. On the other hand, the distorted perceptual world of CAs means that all of their experiences -- in their own eyes -- are like the above scenario. And usually -- although not always -- the CAs are mistaken about being cheated. Projection is the CA's normal mode for interpreting life. So their constant cheating of others, or belief that it wouldn't really be wrong for them to always be stealing if they could get away with it, is to their minds nothing more than attempting to get some restitution since everyone is always taking advantage of them to the hilt. Perhaps, then, it is less difficult to understand their perpetual anger. The whole world is "covert-aggressive" against them. Most CAs quickly learn, however, that for some reason -- probably, to their minds, because people are unjust -- others rarely think the CAs are being cheated and they don't get support for their belief that they're being stolen from in multitudinous ways every second of the day by everyone they have anything to do with. And so, since CAs think that they could never exact all that is "due" them, or "punish" and get "revenge" on all those who've cheated them, they can justify carefully picking a few people here and there to target so to perhaps get a fraction of what he sees as "justice."

Perhaps the bottomline conclusion one should draw about projection, then, is that it is really all about cheating, which in turn is about violating the boundaries of others. Specifically, the CA cheats others while falsely perceiving himself to be cheated; he draws boundaries which claim ownership over what actually belongs to others while at least claiming to believe that others are instead doing that to him. Interpreting reality, which includes drawing proper boundaries, is an ongoing multi-step process, and "step one" for the CA is faulty; he or she draws boundaries between himself and the world which violate the territory of others. Thereafter, however, in any remaining steps of interpretation, the CA views events using normal methods and principles. And it is in large part this normalcy, superimposed over the layer of erroneous beliefs acquired in "step one," which gives the CA much of the confidence he has in his faulty perceptions. He's been cheated, for example, like the customer in the restaurant, so why is he being expected not to be angry about being cheated? Why is he being expected to take the loss and deny he's been violated, and at the same time submit to the tyranny of being wrongfully forced to admit to being the violator himself and to pay the person who's violated his rights and stolen from him the amount that's been stolen. It's like being victimized twice -- like having your car stolen and then having to pay to the thief the value of the car. It's an outrage, an injustice, a rape-like violation of his rights and his person. The CA believes all of this, dismissing all evidence to the contrary, evidence which usually actually supports the idea that he is the victimizer expecting to steal twice (if not more) from those he targets, that he is the unjust one he pictures others as being like.

Perhaps CAs wouldn't have such an easy time lying to themselves as they seem to, however, if there wasn't some normal thinking going on in their judging of situations besides the fallacious thinking. For CAs actually use tried-and-true, logically-sound principles to interpret events around them. The problem is that even though the CA does the same mental calculations about a situation that a normal person does, the CA does the calculations with some extremely fallacious information with respect to personal boundaries, so the final conclusions the CA reaches are typically equally as exremely wrong. CAs don't recognize their boundary errors, on the one hand, and they know that their information about normal principles is basically correct, on the other hand, so they don't see the problem as emanating from themselves. And they interpret the attempts of others to impose or maintain proper boundaries as attempts to violate their boundaries -- which, given that CAs believe that the boundaries they've drawn with others are justified, is really not surprising. Finally, the more access a CA has to another person, the more of that other person, in general, the CA believes is on his side of the boundary line and so belongs to him. And the more that the other person's boundaries are violated, the more that this person will attempt to preserve his or her boundaries, and so the more that the CA will project the victimizer role onto the victim who isn't attempting to violate the CA's boundaries, but merely to defend him or herself.

It might also be useful to think in terms of different "sub-realities" which come together to form our total reality. Projection would then be seen to constitute a sort of flawed "total reality" process. The types of "sub-realities" most involved in projection are the following:

Identity reality. This is the reality which identifies everything in our lives, including the immaterial as well as the material. It grants identity to things through devising rules for classifying them -- i.e., rules which define the characteristics a certain thing should have, and/or what characteristics it shouldn't have. In other words, identity reality seeks to discover the boundaries between things so that the world isn't an incomprehensible jumble of indistinguishable things. Examples of this reality would be:

Normative reality. This is our knowledge of right and wrong, proper and improper, which is communicated to the individual from the society around him or her. The more important and timeless principles tend to be most impressed on the individual. Examples of this reality would be: it's very wrong to steal, lie, cheat and attack others. It's also wrong not to be polite and not to appreciate the kind acts of others.

Event/actual reality. This is our extremely detailed experience of living. It is our knowledge of what has happened, what's happening now, and what might and will happen. In large part, it is our "memory," but it also incorporates such factors as the knowledge that things are going on which we may have no hint of at one point in time, but which later come to light and will have to be retrofitted into the picture.

Interpreted reality. This reality is closely associated with and at some points indistinguishable from event reality. Where it is different, however, is in that it is our thoughts on and analysis of event reality, and as such, it is more liable to change. For example, a certain event occurs when we are ten years old. This event doesn't change, because the past can't change, and nor do we learn anything more substantial about it; nevertheless, we view it in different lights at different points later in our lives from how we did at the time it occurred.

While all of these "sub-realities" are "ingredients" in the "total reality," it's important to realize that unlike preparing a dish from a recipe, these ingredients aren't entirely separate entities being brought together in a certain fashion to produce a new, different whole. The "sub-realities" may produce the "total reality," but they are also produced by it at the same time. As for the recipe metaphor, the relationship of "total reality" to the "sub-realities" is probably better thought of as always being a finished product, like a food item bought from a store, in which the processes which created it are statically "trapped" in the product, rather than starting from ingredients and producing the product.

Finally, the tendency of CAs to project only increases every time they do it, and this escalating feedback loop makes it ever-more difficult for them to think and perceive differently with the passage of time. That is, once a person starts to pervasively project, it is difficult in part for him or her to stop because that would entail recognizing and accepting that he or she has been off-base and substantially wrong about all his experiences and that his or her total reality has been critically skewed and distorted for a long time. However, perhaps the most formidable hurdle is the original failure to self-correct and so avoid developing the problem of chronic projection in the first place. Considering that the individual developed this problem despite all of the considerable and strong natural checks-and-balances against it, it is highly unlikely that the only possible "cure" -- that one of these natural measures is suddenly going to start to get through to him -- will ever work.

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"I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me

Projection: a kind of unconscious identification with the object (participation mystique). All projections cause counter-projections; that and being spellbound into living out the projection are very close to M. Klein's "projective identification." There are personal and collective projections. National or global crises feed collective projections.

Psychological projection

Psychological projection (or projection bias) can be defined as unconsciously assuming that others share the same or similar thoughts, beliefs, values, or positions on any given subject. According to the theories of Sigmund Freud, it is a psychological defense mechanism whereby one "projects" one's own undesirable thoughts, motivations, desires, feelings, and so forth onto someone else (usually another person, but psychological projection onto animals and inanimate objects also occurs). The principle of projection is well-established in psychology.

An illustration would be an individual (Alice, for example) who feels dislike for another person (let's say Bob), however her unconscious mind will not allow her to become aware of this negative emotion. Instead of admitting to herself that she feels dislike for Bob, she projects her dislike onto Bob, so that her conscious thought is not "I don't like Bob," but "Bob doesn't seem to like me." Another, and an ironic, example is if Alice were to say, "Bob seems to project his feelings onto me."

Peter Gay describes it as "the operation of expelling feelings or wishes the individual finds wholly unacceptable � too shameful, too obscene, too dangerous � by attributing them to another." (Freud: A Life for Our Time, page 281)

The concept was anticipated by Friedrich Nietzsche:

"He who fights with monsters might take care lest he thereby become a monster. And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you."
- Beyond Good and Evil


Psychological projection is the subject of Robert Bly's book A Little Book on the Human Shadow. The "Shadow" - a term used in Jungian psychology to describe a variety of psychological projection - refers to the projected material.

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"I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me

Neurosis: a chronic characterological split between the ego and a content of the personal unconscious, resulting in a present (not just past) failure to achieve full maturity, adaptability, and awareness. Developmental disturbances. A sick system of social relationships. Jung was among the first to see neurotic conflicts as warped attempts to grow, an insight later taken up by Abraham Maslow. One shouldn't get rid of it, but experience it fully and see what it teaches, what's its purpose. We don't cure it; it cures us. A neurosis is just an extreme of a normal event. He also saw in neurosis a substitute for authentic suffering and, at bottom, a moral conflict involving a split of opposites needing reconciliation in the "third thing" (tertium comparationis) or reconciling symbol.

Two main categories of neurosis: collective people w/ underdeveloped individuality, and individuals with atrophied collective adaptation. Two more: diminished adaptation to outer or inner conditions. In the young, neurosis is mainly a failure to adapt; in the middle aged, an attempt to hang onto youth. Many people also suffer from neuroses that come from the emptiness and senselessness of their lives, symptomatic of our neurotic times (see Frankl's "noogenic neurosis"). They need meaning (like the body needs food--compare Maslow's B-needs) and spiritual development, and meaning only comes when the ego serves a supraordinate power outside the person (Frankl). "The important thing isn't the neurosis, but the man who has the neurosis" (The Practice of Psychotherapy).

Jung pushed for a study of the healthy psyche, like Maslow, and felt that analytical psychology should treat the sick, but beyond that facilitate individuation. The outbreak of neurosis comes when a new adaptation is needed.

Neurosis always means libido piled up where it shouldn't be or deprived of where it should. Also means regressed or fixated libido, which, encountering an obstacle its healthy regression can't overcome, activates the infantile parent imagos, immature emotions, and unconscious infantile fantasies.

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"I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me

. . . and that's your problem . . .

Won't be a problem at all.... I might even write it off as entertainment.... We aren't as isolated as you may wish....

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A single thread on Politics was started to cover the subject. You decided to start numerous others just to gain attention.

Call it what you want,cw.

It's ok to start a thread, ..one does not need your 'permission',

.... and, you don't have to like the subject.....

Yes, starting a thread is ok. What we are opposed to is the multiple threads you create for the same damned topic. Get it through that thick scull of yours!

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If you think I'm wrong about you and your threads, prove it to me [us].

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Transcript for Long-Term Effects of Drugs On the Brain video

The human brain weighs about three pounds and influences everything a person does. You may not realize it, but your brain is not the same today as it was yesterday or last month. The brain is a continuously changing collection of cells. When you learn something new or have a new experience, new synapses form. Some synapses get stronger, or some synapses may even disappear. Your brain even enables you to feel pleasure. Whenever you do something that you enjoy, such as eating your favorite snack, drinking a cold drink on a hot summer day, or laughing with your friends, the reward pathway in your brain is activated. It is that stimulation of the neurons in the reward pathway that makes you feel good.

Drugs of abuse act on the neurons in the reward pathway. Drugs increase the release of dopamine from the neurons. The increased dopamine levels give drug abusers the rush or a high that they enjoy for a short time. The feelings of pleasure the drugs create only last a short time, but drugs can cause changes in the brain that last a very long time. Some of the changes may even be permanent.

One of the changes that occurs when a person takes drugs is the development of cravings. If a person takes drugs and then stops taking them, he or she will crave the drug. In other words, the individual will have a strong desire to take more of the drug. Drugs exert such a strong effect that even the mention of drugs may stimulate cravings in drug abusers.

Does the brain change when a person experiences cravings? The PET image on the left shows the brain of an addict who is watching a nature video with pictures of mountains, trees, and animals. Compare that with the PET image on the right showing the addict's brain in response to a video that shows pictures of drug paraphernalia. When the drug addict sees the images of drugs or items associated with drugs, a part of the brain called the amygdala is activated. Because the amygdala is critical for memory functions, even stimulating a memory can trigger an uncontrollable urge for drugs.

As you have learned in previous activities, on a short-term basis, drugs of abuse alter the release of the neurotransmitter dopamine. But what happens when a person takes drugs over a period of time? Does the body respond to them in the same way it did when the person tried the drugs for the first time? Often, the individual doesn't get as intense of a response after taking drugs repeatedly. This is called "tolerance." The brain has adapted to having a certain amount of the drug present and doesn't respond the same way it did initially. The body may become more efficient at metabolizing or breaking down the drug. This reduces the amount of drug in the bloodstream. Or, the cells of the body, and the brain can become more resistant to the effect of the drug by causing changes in the activity of the receptors. Tolerance explains why drug abusers and addicts take increasingly higher doses of drugs over time.

Remember that although it is the drug's effects on the reward pathway that cause the abuser to feel the rush or euphoria, drugs affect many other parts of the brain. For example, when someone smokes marijuana, THC, the main psychoactive chemical in marijuana, localizes to many brain regions. The blue spots in this image indicate places in the brain where THC binds to its receptors. THC does not affect only the reward pathway, it affects many parts of the brain.

How does the THC distribution in the brain compare to the localized functions shown in this diagram? How does the presence of THC in these areas affect human behaviors? When the THC in marijuana acts on the neurons in specific brain areas, it changes the way the neurons function. When the neurons don't function normally, this results in changes in a person's behavior that are regulated by those neurons. That explains why marijuana use changes a person's abilities in movement, balance, coordination, memory, and judgment. These are body functions controlled by the brain areas where THC acts.

Some of the long-term effects of drugs are very profound. You may have heard that drinking alcohol kills brain cells. It's true. If a person abuses alcohol over a period of time in high amounts, some neurons in the brain will die. The mamillary bodies, groups of neurons in the brain associated with memory functions, are sensitive to the effects of alcohol. Neurons in the cortex, the part of the brain that controls most of our mental functions and gives us our consciousness, also can be killed by alcohol.

The drug MDMA, a stimulant commonly called Ecstasy, causes dramatic changes in brain activity. The top set of PET images shows the brain of a person who does not take drugs. The bottom set of PET images shows the brain of an individual who used MDMA for an extended period up to three weeks before the images were taken. Unlike the other PET images you have examined, these images measure the brain's ability to transport serotonin, a neurotransmitter that regulates many body functions, including learning, sleep, appetite, and emotions. The duller colors in the MDMA images indicate that serotonin transport is reduced in the brain of an MDMA user. The images of the drug abuser's brain certainly are different than the non-drug abuser's brain. Findings like this suggest to scientists that MDMA use may increase the risk of long-term problems with learning and memory.

In other studies, scientists have determined that MDMA can kill neurons. In these images taken of the brains of squirrel monkeys, scientists have used a fluorescent dye to label the axons of neurons that produce serotonin. The neurons that produce serotonin appear white in these micrographs. Neurons that produce a different neurotransmitter do not show up at all. How do the pictures labeled B and C compare to the picture labeled A? In the cerebral cortex, there are many fewer labeled axons after MDMA use. Even 18 months later, the number of fibers is still greatly reduced.

How does a different region of the brain react after MDMA use? In the hypothalamus, for example, there is a decrease in serotonin axons two weeks after MDMA use, as shown in the photograph labeled E. In this part of the brain, however, 18 months after MDMA, as shown in picture F, the number of labeled serotonin axons is approximately the same as in the control, as shown in picture D. Even though the number of axons is back to normal, scientists don't know if the neurons function differently than they did before MDMA use. Scientists currently do not know if MDMA kills neurons in the human brain.

Cocaine, like methamphetamine, is a stimulant that can have powerful effects on the brain and body. But how does it affect the brain over a long period of time? Can you tell which of the PET images shown here is of a normal brain and which one is of a cocaine addict's brain? Neurons that are the most active metabolize more glucose and are shown in red. The image on the left is the brain of a person who had never taken cocaine. The image on the right shows how cocaine decreases the activity of the brain.

After taking cocaine, the high wears off after about 30 minutes, but the brain is not the same as it was before. Once a person is addicted to a drug like cocaine, the brain is affected for a long time. In fact, the brain really is changed. These PET images show how cocaine affects the brain even after a person stops abusing drugs. Look at the brain of a cocaine abuser ten days after the last use of cocaine. How does the brain compare to a normal brain, that is, the brain of someone who has not abused drugs? Like most of the PET images you have examined, these measure glucose utilization and tell us about brain activity levels. The areas in red are most active. Even ten days after the last abuse of cocaine, the levels of activity in a drug abuser's brain are much lower than those in the normal brain. How long do these changes in the brain last? Even 100 days after the last cocaine use, the drug abuser's brain is much less active than the normal brain. That is over three months later. Scientists wonder if there are areas in the brain that never fully recover from the effects of drugs.

Scientific investigations reinforce the fact that drug addiction is a brain disease. Drugs really do change the way the neurons in the brain work. Scientists don't know all of the answers, though. Researchers continue to investigate how drugs exert their effects. But they must deal with several issues that make answers more difficult to find. First, each person responds to drugs differently. Not everyone who experiments with drugs will become addicted. An individual's genetic makeup undoubtedly plays a part in determining whether a person becomes addicted to drugs. Second, many drug abusers abuse more than one drug. Individuals who take cocaine, for example, may also drink alcohol. Taking more than one drug at a time makes the consequences of drug abuse more unpredictable. Third, addicts often have other health problems in addition to drug addiction. Heroin addicts, for example, spend a lot of energy trying to get their next fix. Their search for drugs takes over their lives. They don't eat right. They may have weak immune systems, and they often suffer from mental illnesses such as depression.

The brain is an incredibly complex and continually changing organ. This complexity will keep scientists working for many years to understand what the brain does and how it does it. Someday, continuing scientific investigations will answer the questions about what happens in the brain to cause addiction and also will answer the questions about how to prevent drug addiction.

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"I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me

. . . and that's your problem . . .

Won't be a problem at all.... I might even write it off as entertainment.... We aren't as isolated as you may wish....

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I'll offer you some free advise..

Demonstrating thick-headedness now, hairball

I've already told you I don't need or intend to act on your 'advice'.....

I'm perfectly content to act how, and when, I decide to on my own terms....

I've told you that before but you have some strange compunction to hear yourself speak as if you think I might care....

Rant on, hairball

Seems it gives you something to do.... (one might wonder if you could spend your time more constructively, though....)

Then don't start whining when people here don't want you around! Freeloader!

Spend my time more constructively? Hmmm..., how about yourself? Projecting again, huh??

Poor paulie-poo!!

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"I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me

I'll offer you some free advise..

Demonstrating thick-headedness now, hairball

I've already told you I don't need or intend to act on your 'advice'.....

I'm perfectly content to act how, and when, I decide to on my own terms....

I've told you that before but you have some strange compunction to hear yourself speak as if you think I might care....

Rant on, hairball

Seems it gives you something to do.... (one might wonder if you could spend your time more constructively, though....)

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...get some professional mental health counselling.

No need, tom...

I don't have a problem.... I don't follow people around in their posts attempting to discredit and demean them....

I don't wage silly campaigns to keep opinions from being expressed....

I don't suggest that the board is mine to direct others in whether they can or cannot post here....

Quite likely, some professionals would have some comment on those that do...

Me, I'll just continue as I have been.....

Knock yourself out.....

I'll be seeing you, tom

Paulie-poo, you are misguided again! You really must have some serious problems about guilt! Nobody have any problems about you posting here, as we just could put you on ignore, just as I had you for some time, as long as you pay your "taxes" for being here! Start crunching BOINC! Just as we others around here!

Stop with your poor excuses about your OS as you know, just as well as we do, it's just a poor excuse!

But OK, I'll offer you some free advise now, so pay attention: Get some help about your feelings of being a victim and your reluctance to give anything. You seem to have this personality of a freeloader, and, in case you shouldn't have found out yet, life is not for free! Start paying your due! Start crunch for your "rent" here!

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"I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me

...get some professional mental health counselling.

No need, tom...

I don't have a problem.... I don't follow people around in their posts attempting to discredit and demean them....

You certainly do!

I don't wage silly campaigns to keep opinions from being expressed....

You certainly do!

I don't suggest that the board is mine to direct others in whether they can or cannot post here....

You certainly act that way!

Quite likely, some professionals would have some comment on those that do...

I am certain they would!

Me, I'll just continue as I have been.....

I'll be seeing you, tom

. . . and that's your problem . . .

...get some professional mental health counselling.

No need, tom...

I don't have a problem.... I don't follow people around in their posts attempting to discredit and demean them....

I don't wage silly campaigns to keep opinions from being expressed....

I don't suggest that the board is mine to direct others in whether they can or cannot post here....

Quite likely, some professionals would have some comment on those that do...

Me, I'll just continue as I have been.....

Knock yourself out.....

I'll be seeing you, tom

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I am trying to put some sensible ideas into your "malfunctioning brain".

I've been privy to you sensible ideas, tom.

I don't need any of your brand of sense..... too nonsensical.....

I see it's hopeless. There are, indeed, none so blind as those who refuse to see. Why don't you follow Fuzzy's advice (it really is in your best interest), and get some professional mental health counselling.

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