Since PZ doesn't contribute to Boinc, I wonder if he contributes to the US tax system? Maybe he's just a drain on it.

Since you seem so easily able to raise questions about the lives of others with absolutely no foreknowledge, one might easily wonder if it's a defensive behavior caused by some shadowy guilt attached to your own behavior....

I could wonder if you might beat women? Are you a pedophile? A terrorist sympathizer?

Or are you just another of the many uncouth louts who are, with no regard, apt to cast any aspersion at all on others, ...just for your own sick and juvenile satisfaction?

Paul you really need to take a break for a while......

We are all sick and tired of your Bush bashing, Your party lost and you have 3 more years of the Reapers..... Go fishing, Get out more, Play with you dogs, Up grade your computer or pay more attention to you wife. Maybe you can start your own blog somewhere, It is easy to do and you have plenty of material for your thesis.......

You have no more Creditability here...

Please Just go away.....

---

Since PZ doesn't contribute to Boinc, I wonder if he contributes to the US tax system? Maybe he's just a drain on it.

Since you seem so easily able to raise questions about the lives of others with absolutely no foreknowledge, one might easily wonder if it's a defensive behavior caused by some shadowy guilt attached to your own behavior....

You've got some gall saying someone else here has guilt. You are the only quilty freeloader here....

I could wonder if you might beat women? Are you a pedophile? A terrorist sympathizer?

You best be very carefull of false accusations....

Or are you just another of the many uncouth louts who are, with no regard, apt to cast any aspersion at all on others, ...just for your own sick and juvenile satisfaction?

Can't you say ANYTHING without sounding like the lying politician you aspire to be?

---

CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr XO - L L & P _\\//
USS Vre'kasht NCC-33187
Winders 10 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

Feel free to look through any of my 988 posts, This reply to you is the ONLY one, directly bad mouthing anyone. Congrats, you bring out the best in people.

Can anyone say "Soup Kitchen"?

I can say diffident asshat....

---

hmmm, I've been called many things thank you. The worst have been by family members, but you're welcome to join in.

After thinking about his, I feel kind of stupid. I mean after all, just how much tax is involved in living under a tarp found by the highway and strung over the branch on some elses property? No sales tax either since he probably gets his clothes and evidently his puter from Goodwill.

Can anyone say "Soup Kitchen"?

Since PZ doesn't contribute to Boinc, I wonder if he contributes to the US tax system? Maybe he's just a drain on it.

Since you seem so easily able to raise questions about the lives of others with absolutely no foreknowledge, one might easily wonder if it's a defensive behavior caused by some shadowy guilt attached to your own behavior....

I could wonder if you might beat women? Are you a pedophile? A terrorist sympathizer?

Or are you just another of the many uncouth louts who are, with no regard, apt to cast any aspersion at all on others, ...just for your own sick and juvenile satisfaction?

---

Since PZ doesn't contribute to Boinc, I wonder if he contributes to the US tax system? Maybe he's just a drain on it.

Now THERE'S a thought....

---

CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr XO - L L & P _\\//
USS Vre'kasht NCC-33187
Winders 10 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

Since PZ doesn't contribute to Boinc, I wonder if he contributes to the US tax system? Maybe he's just a drain on it.

It's amazing how his democratic opposition wants to dramatically increase spending in light of the budget crisis. Ah-nold knows how to play to the people. Don't be suprised if he has something up his sleave and he stomps on some toes.

If he finishes a second term (4 years) in good standing.

Without digging up the links, I was just thinking about his recently abysmal popularity polls and the news about how far he is from fixing the budget or making good on his many campaign promises...

I hear all is not good in the land of the disappeared grizzly bear....

We shall have to wait and see..... the electorate can be a fickle bunch and 'marketing' is not going to carry the day forever....

And now, back to the Federal Budget imbalances.....

---

Beverly Hillbillies... an old TV show.
http://www.timvp.com/beverlyh.html

Arnold is holding his own. We'll have to see how this alleged special election will go in November. If the people are behind him and his issues then he'll stand a very good chance of being re-elected next year. If he finishes a second term (4 years) in good standing I can see him ousting Boxer in the US Senate. Her term will end at the same time his does so the timing is perfect.

a Beverly Hillbilly?

Well, I see those grasshopper rigs in yards in California, Texas etc..... and the hillbillies I've met are okay folks..... so, no... I guess I wouldn't be averse to being an Alaskan hillbilly with an oil well

As a further comment on the 'stipend' as your friend called it.

...the legislature keeps trying to dip in more and more to fund additional entitlements and government functions..... so while we have no state income tax per se, this compensation we are supposed to receive in lieu of our subsurface rights keeps getting tapped as a 'tax' replacement scheme.

The attempted raids on the Fund are an annual event in the legislature....

Simple politics, ....promise the people to leave the Fund alone to get elected and then facilitate generous campaign contributions by promising special interests that you will tap the fund rather than tax anyone who makes a profit off our resources.

Just a variation on a theme.....

(....how's Arnold doing?)

---

Your assumption that each Alaskan will notice a change in their shares of royalty is maybe premature. The legislation has already been proposed that in order to lure in the investors, the state may have to give up major shares of the royalties on that oil.

It's not my assumption. I had a friend who lived in Alaska for a few years. The info she gave me was directly from her experience. She rented an apartment and was paid (in her words) a yearly stipend from the State. She said she was all for more drilling because the more oil sold the more she would get. As for my views on Alaska it's too cold! That's all I need to say. Down here anything below 60 we consider freezing.

Personally, I would just as soon they grant us back our subsurface rights. Then we would be like people elsewhere.... if I found oil or minerals under my land, I could develop them and collect whatever I could.

And become a Beverly Hillbilly?

PZ,
What are your feelings on Bush's desire to drill and pump more oil out of Alaska given the fact that it would increase your yearly state stipend?

It's off topic but I don't mind telling you, ......no one else seems to worry about staying on topic......
*************************

First, I'm not sure that's just Bush's desire.... there's been a long campaign to get access to whatever oil may be in the Arctic Refuge.

Second, you refer to a 'stipend'? There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about our Permanent Fund, it's origins and how it's funded and how it's paid out.

In Alaska, we landowners are prevented from owning mineral rights or oil rights under our land. The state claims all those.

In a kind of exchange for losing the right to own our own subsurface rights, the state has created a fund that takes a very small percentage of the profits the state makes selling those rights, and gives a small payment to each Alaskan.

Now, is that fair? Not quite, as every Alaskan recieves a payment based on a formula for those royalties whether they own land or not. One other troubling aspect is that the state has continued to grant discounted royalty provisions to the oil companies, so on many contracts, there is very little royalty paid.

Your assumption that each Alaskan will notice a change in their shares of royalty is maybe premature. The legislation has already been proposed that in order to lure in the investors, the state may have to give up major shares of the royalties on that oil.

Personally, I would just as soon they grant us back our subsurface rights. Then we would be like people elsewhere.... if I found oil or minerals under my land, I could develop them and collect whatever I could.


As it is now, the state can lease the ground under my home and allow a drilling rig to be set up and I wouldn't be able to do anything about it.

This has not happened to me yet, .....though they did sell the leasing rights to my land already and drill rigs have been set up on some of my neighbors places....

I can tell you they are not happy with a drill rig outside of the house, drilling their land and all they get is a tiny percentage of the royalties.....

It's an odd arrangement.....

---

PZ,
What are your feelings on Bush's desire to drill and pump more oil out of Alaska given the fact that it would increase your yearly state stipend?

Now, again, show me where I'm wrong.

The experts seem to recognize and comment on the fact that the 'problem' is not being addressed or corrected now, tom.

The experts recognize that current policy and proposed policies do not address the problem.

Your simple math says all we have to do is pay a few hundred dollars more per month in taxes.....

Your simple math uses averages which suggest that each American will pay the same percentage of taxes ..... (we know that's not close)

So, you think it's no problem.... on top of all the taxes we pay now to maintain government, we just have to pay a few hundred dollars more.... more on top of what we will have to continue to pay just to keep things afloat.... no big deal, a few hundred more a month is surely no hardship for anyone, eh?

Hey, no problem, eh? Tom will lead us out of this fix, ....just open your pocketbook a little wider. A few hundred more each month for years and years will be no problem.....

Forget that productivity forecasts don't agree with your assessment....

In your simple math world, it's all going to be alright....

(Like I said, tom, show me some reputable economic analysts who agree with your assessment. The article highlighted the fact that whichever 'side' of the political fence you may wish to find yourself, the analysts are agreeing that there is a big problem and their fixes, which you discredit and say are not needed, are presented from both sides. ....You seem to be a man in the wilderness, standing by yourself, saying everyone else has it wrong....... excuse me if I rely on people who know better.)

Wow a whole post of almost original thought.. There is hope for you yet Paul.

However, nothing in your post has proven Tom to be wrong. The past has showed me that these so-called expert about every 4 years or so spell gloom and doom 30-40 years into the future. I remembe the first gas crisis where the experts said in 30 years ALL oil would be depleted. The 30 years was up 5 years ago. Then in the early 80's we started to hear that in 20-30 years the Ozone Layer would be depleted. 20 years were up 5 years ago...

If they are expert enough to say that in 30 years there will be a crisis of inmeasurable porportion they should be expert enough to tell us how to solve the crisis..

Tom has mentioned one solution.. Why don't you try and come up with a different one? Ohhhh wait that requires REAL original thought.. never mind!!

do you all need your own insecurities soothed?

Yes, I find it soothing.

Now, again, show me where I'm wrong.

The experts seem to recognize and comment on the fact that the 'problem' is not being addressed or corrected now, tom.

The experts recognize that current policy and proposed policies do not address the problem.

Your simple math says all we have to do is pay a few hundred dollars more per month in taxes.....

Your simple math uses averages which suggest that each American will pay the same percentage of taxes ..... (we know that's not close)

So, you think it's no problem.... on top of all the taxes we pay now to maintain government, we just have to pay a few hundred dollars more.... more on top of what we will have to continue to pay just to keep things afloat.... no big deal, a few hundred more a month is surely no hardship for anyone, eh?

Hey, no problem, eh? Tom will lead us out of this fix, ....just open your pocketbook a little wider. A few hundred more each month for years and years will be no problem.....

Forget that productivity forecasts don't agree with your assessment....

In your simple math world, it's all going to be alright....

(Like I said, tom, show me some reputable economic analysts who agree with your assessment. The article highlighted the fact that whichever 'side' of the political fence you may wish to find yourself, the analysts are agreeing that there is a big problem and their fixes, which you discredit and say are not needed, are presented from both sides. ....You seem to be a man in the wilderness, standing by yourself, saying everyone else has it wrong....... excuse me if I rely on people who know better.)

Do you have to misrepresent me every time? Nowhere did I say that there is "no problem", only that it's not as bad as those sensational, 35 year total numbers suggest.

And you can't say that the problems are "not being addressed or corrected now", when you yourself have complained about the Bush/Republican efforts to address the Social Security problem. If you had read any reliable news sources, you might know that the federal budget is also being addressed by Congress.

Then there is your misrepresentation about averages. It's an average, Pauly-poo. Anyone with a dictionary knows it's not what everyone pays . . . it's an average, not what "each American will pay", for crying out loud.

I never said I had the answers, I just showed that your sky-is-falling post is just too simple and sensational. The numbers can be worked out, not by me but by our elected government. And if they screw up, we can vote them out. (Gee, we have the next 35 years to deal with this, if we don't wait too long, it can be done.)

So, since all you've done is ridicule my post, I guess that you agree with my analysis and my premise: that this problem is not insurmountable, and your President Bush will lead the way.

do you all need your own insecurities soothed?

poor babies....

---

Remember paulie-poo's favorite play:
And his personal problem! and

And his unexplainable avoidance of the Political Thread for all of this stuff. Maybe he just likes spawning new threads of rehash just to see his name in the thread listing.

There, Misfit, you have just hit the nail on the head! It's his ego that he's stroking here! Nothing more or less!!!

Oh he's stroking alright.

And I don't think his ego is the only thing he strokes!

Seals, penguins, or fish?