They are, and the janitors refuse to mop up the floor unless they get hazard pay.

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Are you two having a pissing contest?

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> href="http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=13988#102464">Sure....[/url][/i]

You must not have read where I stated that I already found that thread....


> > If I remember right, the question was whether I was in league with a
> certain
> > other..... You decide.
>
> ????

What is the question that you don't get? or that you think I'm 'evading'.

> As I stated above, you numbers at "Classic" mean nothing to me. Your
> numbers here, though, and your obvious lack of effort to do anything about
> participating in SETI/BOINC is of concern.

Your opinion about whether there is or was a lack of effort is something you can harbor if you wish....


> You've been given the offer of a fix to run BOINC and you have, in my view,
> refused that offer. Now the offer is off the table.

In your view, there's little room for else but what you want to believe, I've already discussed that I missed or misread the offer and responded to that.

You don't have to acknowledge that if you don't wish to..... makes no difference to me.

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> I'm little concerned with people who may wish to question my motives based on
> their own bias about what defines a qualified member.

So Paul, you're saying, in a nutshell, that you are qualified to be here simply because you can log in and yap in the fora.

> ....
> participated in, .....you know how to find the current numbers but those
> numbers wouldn't serve your purpose as well in your attempts trying to make it
> look like I'm not doing much.

Evasion, evasion, evasion.... You evade every bit of directness. I'm NOT concerned with your actual numbers, that is moot. My point, [which is just one of many you do a great job of evading], is that "Classic" will not be around for long.

> you make excuses and you try to pass it off as 'semantics'.

I make NO excuses. And, why would I need to anyway? I'm not evading anything here.[/i]

> Well, do share siran. The 'fix' was refused? ....the 'offer' is no longer
> valid? How cryptic...... Care to be specific?

Sure....

> .... it's obvious I will have to seek alternatives at that time.

Procrastination.... at it's finest.

> Do you really think if I have a boinc credit that you will have any different
> opinion of my posts.... ??

NOT a single credit, but an increasingly larger number of them....

> .... I tend to accord them the honor I think they deserve)

Such as you're direct evasion of my question posed to you.

> If I remember right, the question was whether I was in league with a certain
> other..... You decide.

????

> Really......? Care to be specific?

As I stated above, you numbers at "Classic" mean nothing to me. Your numbers here, though, and your obvious lack of effort to do anything about participating in SETI/BOINC is of concern. Think about it Paul. You've been given the offer of a fix to run BOINC and you have, in my view, refused that offer. Now the offer is off the table.

T'Khasi Time: Friday, 22 April 2005 - 06:16 AM --700 (Pacific Standard Time)

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr XO - L L & P _\\//
USS Vre'kasht NCC-33187
Winders 10 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

> ...you were even offered a free copy.
> Not anymore.[pre]ERROR: PATIENCE(3134329) TIMED OUT WAITING FOR UID
> 7824376</PRE>
>

Sorry,..... If so, I must have misread, or missed entirely, that message.

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> > You missed the memo? .....it's 92 WU's and 969 cpu hours....
>
> Semantics, Paul, simply semantics. <a> href="http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/show_user.php?userid=7824376">This[/url]
> is what I looked at and that is all I need to look at. "Classic" will not be
> running for you this summer and beyond, which means you won't be participating
> in SETI at all. Do you think that those of us who have been crunching for
> SETI, in some cases for six years, are going to feel good about a non-cruncher
> yapping in the fora? I for one would feel out of place had I come here and
> not crunched. I would be questioning my motives as well.

I'm little concerned with people who may wish to question my motives based on their own bias about what defines a qualified member.

Semantics implies an incorrect word usage, .... not incorrect facts. As familiar as you are with the program, there is really no excuse for you to imply that I've only been credited with about half of the work I've participated in, .....you know how to find the current numbers but those numbers wouldn't serve your purpose as well in your attempts trying to make it look like I'm not doing much.

But then again, I doubt you will correct all your 'required' reading posts to reflect the corrections.... no, you make excuses and you try to pass it off as 'semantics'.


> I was not partly correct, I was correct. Believe me Paul, I have the
> facts. You have been instructed on what you need to do and the fix was
> offered to you and yet you refuse. I believe that the offer is no longer
> valid.

Well, do share siran. The 'fix' was refused? ....the 'offer' is no longer valid?

How cryptic...... Care to be specific?


> Then tell me Paul, what are you going to do when "Classic" is no longer
> running?

Since you asked so tactfully......... (snidely whiplash style) ....and as I've discussed before, it's obvious I will have to seek alternatives at that time. As will a number of others in the same position.




>Right now you're bordering on troll.

Do you really think if I have a boinc credit that you will have any different opinion of my posts.... ??

I'm not that gullible to assume as much..... I think you just don't like my view, so you look to 'control' things in any manner you may.

My purpose is of no more special or directed import than anyone's, to you or to any one else.

You intimating that I am 'bordering on troll' doesn't particularly concern me too much, you have your opinion, and you're welcome to it. As is everyone else.



> Just look how you treat some of my friends here.

The fatuous tom, defender of all things Bush, is the only person that comes to mind.... and he deserves no special deference as far as I'm concerned..... (you see, when people call me an asshole, and spend their time deriding me instead of addressing the content of a discussion, I tend to accord them the honor I think they deserve)

>I stuck up for you, went on
> crusade for you in the beginning when I was told "he's cool, Siran". So tell
> me, was I right in the beginning and what I was told about you false?

If I remember right, the question was whether I was in league with a certain other..... You decide.


>
> You're losing credibility here, Paul.
>You've been evading direct questions on
> topics you bring up. What does this say?

Really......? Care to be specific?

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Paul Zimmerman 
Results Received 93
Total CPU Time 976 hr 12 min
Average CPU Time per work unit 10 hr 29 min 48.9 sec
Average results received per day 1.03
Last result returned: Thu Apr 21 18:22:39 2005 UTC
Registered on: Sat Jan 22 03:34:37 2005 UTC

SETI@home user is what it says.... Message Boards Cafe Seti ...Seti @ Home

There's 4608 people with the same ranking. Surprisingly, we have completed more work units than 80.538% of all the users.

Out of 307 people who registered the same day as I..... I am currently ranked #91.....

(No big whooop, as far as I'm concerned, as I said before, I'm not particularly impressed with gaining any 'prestige' or to claim any superior 'right' by my level of participation, .....but I will be interested in your further attempts at seeking out all the other slackers in the program for your individual scrutiny of their 'motives' and their 'means'..... )
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...you were even offered a free copy.
Not anymore.[pre]ERROR: PATIENCE(3134329) TIMED OUT WAITING FOR UID 7824376</PRE>

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> You missed the memo? .....it's 92 WU's and 969 cpu hours....

Semantics, Paul, simply semantics. This is what I looked at and that is all I need to look at. "Classic" will not be running for you this summer and beyond, which means you won't be participating in SETI at all. Do you think that those of us who have been crunching for SETI, in some cases for six years, are going to feel good about a non-cruncher yapping in the fora? I for one would feel out of place had I come here and not crunched. I would be questioning my motives as well.

> Only partly correct here, siran,

I was not partly correct, I was correct. Believe me Paul, I have the facts. You have been instructed on what you need to do and the fix was offered to you and yet you refuse. I believe that the offer is no longer valid.

> .....I can upgrade my operating system if I want to run boinc. Presently my operating system is unreliable and not supportive of boinc.

Then tell me Paul, what are you going to do when "Classic" is no longer running? Are you going to upgrade then? Right now you're bordering on troll. Just look how you treat some of my friends here. I stuck up for you, went on crusade for you in the beginning when I was told "he's cool, Siran". So tell me, was I right in the beginning and what I was told about you false?

You're losing credibility here, Paul. You've been evading direct questions on topics you bring up. What does this say?

L8R....

T'Khasi Time: Thursday, 21 April 2005 - 08:14 PM --700 (Pacific Standard Time)

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr XO - L L & P _\\//
USS Vre'kasht NCC-33187
Winders 10 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

;
>
> Soooooo you are not upgrading because??? Hell you were even offered a free
> copy.

Oh? ..reference please... guess I missed that offer.

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> > > nice rant...
> > > ....
> >
> > So Paul....
> >
> > For someone that posts quite a bit, in the fora, you still have 0
> [that's
> > zero] credits crunched for SETI/BOINC. You have 49 crunched WUs for
> "Classic"
> > at 558 hours. Those hours boil down to 23.25 days. You've been here
> since
> > Jan 22, 2005. "Classic" is not going to be there for you forever. It's
> on
> > the verge of closure. When that happens, think about it. You will have
> > NO valid reason for being here. What are you going to do at the
> end of
> > "Classic"?
>
> You missed the memo? .....it's 92 WU's and 969 cpu hours....
> >
> > Now, I know for a fact that there is a way for you to participate in
> > SETI/BOINC other than yapping in these fora. I also know for a fact that
> you
> > have been informed and the offer extended. You've been told that your
> > computer has the capability to run BOINC. You blew it off. Or maybe
> forgot?
> > What's up Paul? What have you been doing about becoming a valid
> participant
> > in the fora? If all you're here for is the chat, then you should know
> that
> > there are many other "chat only" message boards with no work validation
> > required to participate.
>
> Only partly correct here, siran,
>
> .....I can upgrade my operating system if I want to run boinc. Presently my
> operating system is unreliable and not supportive of boinc.
>
>

Soooooo you are not upgrading because??? Hell you were even offered a free copy.

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I'd rather speak my mind because it hurts too much to bite my tongue.

American Spirit BBQ Proudly Serving those that courageously defend freedom.

> > nice rant...
> > ....
>
> So Paul....
>
> For someone that posts quite a bit, in the fora, you still have 0 [that's
> zero] credits crunched for SETI/BOINC. You have 49 crunched WUs for "Classic"
> at 558 hours. Those hours boil down to 23.25 days. You've been here since
> Jan 22, 2005. "Classic" is not going to be there for you forever. It's on
> the verge of closure. When that happens, think about it. You will have
> NO valid reason for being here. What are you going to do at the end of
> "Classic"?

You missed the memo? .....it's 92 WU's and 969 cpu hours....
>
> Now, I know for a fact that there is a way for you to participate in
> SETI/BOINC other than yapping in these fora. I also know for a fact that you
> have been informed and the offer extended. You've been told that your
> computer has the capability to run BOINC. You blew it off. Or maybe forgot?
> What's up Paul? What have you been doing about becoming a valid participant
> in the fora? If all you're here for is the chat, then you should know that
> there are many other "chat only" message boards with no work validation
> required to participate.

Only partly correct here, siran,

.....I can upgrade my operating system if I want to run boinc. Presently my operating system is unreliable and not supportive of boinc.

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> nice rant...
> ....

So Paul....

For someone that posts quite a bit, in the fora, you still have 0 [that's zero] credits crunched for SETI/BOINC. You have 49 crunched WUs for "Classic" at 558 hours. Those hours boil down to 23.25 days. You've been here since Jan 22, 2005. "Classic" is not going to be there for you forever. It's on the verge of closure. When that happens, think about it. You will have NO valid reason for being here. What are you going to do at the end of "Classic"?

Now, I know for a fact that there is a way for you to participate in SETI/BOINC other than yapping in these fora. I also know for a fact that you have been informed and the offer extended. You've been told that your computer has the capability to run BOINC. You blew it off. Or maybe forgot? What's up Paul? What have you been doing about becoming a valid participant in the fora? If all you're here for is the chat, then you should know that there are many other "chat only" message boards with no work validation required to participate.

L8R....

T'Khasi Time: Thursday, 21 April 2005 - 06:43 PM --700 (Pacific Standard Time)

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CAPT Siran d'Vel'nahr XO - L L & P _\\//
USS Vre'kasht NCC-33187
Winders 10 OS? "What a piece of junk!" - L. Skywalker
"Logic is the cement of our civilization with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." - T'Plana-hath

How could you blame them?

Now, as for the TSA jerk-ettes...

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...and Dominique groping (TSA) jerks.

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nice rant...

“But last Friday, news reports revealed that Admiral David Stone, the director of the Transportation Security Administration (TSA), was stepping down and that the incompetent, mismanaged, wasteful & inefficient, cost doubling, under-trained & corner-cutting, repeatedly failure-prone, safety illusion creating, performance mismonitoring, screener certification bungling, threat ignoring and internally miscommunicating, rights trampling, privacy violating (& cover up promoting), sexual harassment promoting, thievery enabling, hypocritical security side-stepping, long line creating, nail clipper, scissor, pocket knife/tool, tiny toy gun and cigarette lighter-confiscating, peanut butter sandwich thieving, elderly & disabled harassing, on the job sleeping, air marshal hemorrhaging, employment discrimination facilitating, employee health hazard creating, and just generally awful1 Transportation Security Administration may soon be a thing of the past, or will at least have a much reduced role.”

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Suddenly it's over, the war is fin'lly done.
Soldiers in the desert sand, still clingin' to a gun.
No-one is the winner an' everyone must lose.
Suddenly the war is over: that's the news.

Suddenly celebrity is somethin' back in style.
Back to runnin' tabloid for a while.
Pain's almost everywhere, the whole world's got the blues.
Suddenly the war is over: that's the news.

That's the news, that's the news.
That's the ever-lovin', blessed, headline news.
Someone's missin;' in Modesto, an' it's sad about the clues.
Suddenly the war is over: that's the news.


Suddenly the cost of war is somethin' out of sight.
Lost a lotta heroes in the fight.
Politicians do all the talkin': soldiers pay the dues.
Suddenly the war is over, that's the news.

That's the news, that's the news.
That's the ever-lovin', blessed, headline news.
Politicians do all the talkin': soldiers pay the dues.
Suddenly the war is over, that's the news.

(even merle haggard 'gets' it.)

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> I thought you meant "Your current administration hard at work
> against terrorism…"
>
> My bad!
>
I wish...

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I thought you meant "Your current administration hard at work against terrorism…"

My bad!

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Re-opened.

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Reopened

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