I got 4.10 yesterday. One WorkUnit crunched OK for about 3,5 hours, then quit do to a client error. The second Unit (waiting for the first to finish) went directly to 100%.

FYI: i did not use the graphics at all!

Hopes this helps the people at the Development department further. For now 4.09 has been reinstalled (see latest news at HomePage), so I can continue crunching.

logging off...

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> There's quite a bit of investigating going on around the graphics issues at
> the moment. I could ramble all night, but to summarise, that bug (97) seems
> closest to the problem being reported in the original post, since it covers
> the following elements BOINC 4.25, Screensaver, Graphics API, recently
> built client app
>

Thanks Ralic. Since i've been using BOINC 4.25 all along, and only experienced the graphics 'bug' since SETI 4.10 was downloaded to my machine last night, i'm not sure if that particular bug applies to me, but who knows if they are somehow not all inter-twined? Regardless, i am going to follow your advice and NOT do a reset at this time, since everything seems to be okay as long as i stay away from those graphics. :)

As always, your help is appreciated.

Happy crunching. :)

Dig

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> Dig,
> I have one Client Error. Note that I have managed to DL only four files since
> the update. One file reported, one Client Error'd, one is froze at 11.31%,
> and one is waiting to run.
>

Okay, PK28... thanks! I think this means that it is out of our hands. I'm not going to try a project reset at this point. As long as i stay away from graphics there doesn't seem to be a problem. You might consider staying away from the screensaver and/or "show graphics" options for a while until Berkeley gets this straightened out. If you can, post a link to your results history so that i can compare it to my own. Just so you know, allowing your computer to be 'seen' does not divulge any personal info. Your IP is only visible to yourself. You can click on mine to see what i mean.

Thanks again,

Dig

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> Funny, I'd already looked at that and written it off because the subject was
> losing graphics when going from BOINC 4.19 to 4.25 (mine worked fine with
> both) were as I "lost it" when going from S@H 4.09 to 4.10, but you guys have
> been doing this alot longer than me, so I'll go with your suggestion.

There's quite a bit of investigating going on around the graphics issues at the moment. I could ramble all night, but to summarise, that bug (97) seems closest to the problem being reported in the original post, since it covers the following elements BOINC 4.25, Screensaver, Graphics API, recently built client app

It's that "line" issue that you mentioned. With the graphics, it's more like a tree, than a line :)

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> rebooted my machine a number of times now with the same result. However, i
> will try a project reset per your suggestion if you feel it might be

Considering that the problem is not isolated to one user, the chances of a reset solving the problem is a long shot, which is why I don't suggest everyone try it.

If you've already tried a reboot, then there's probably not much more to try.
Let's hope Rom can narrow it down asap.

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Dig,
I have one Client Error. Note that I have managed to DL only four files since the update. One file reported, one Client Error'd, one is froze at 11.31%, and one is waiting to run.

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Bill McIlwee
wmcilwee@charter.net

> Since I'm not able to replicate the problem myself, I'm just offering ideas
> that I would try myself to resolve the problem.
>
> You'd be surprised how many strange errors can be resolved with a machine
> reboot. ;-)
>
>

No problem, Ralic! I just appreciate your trying to help us all out. I've rebooted my machine a number of times now with the same result. However, i will try a project reset per your suggestion if you feel it might be necessary. I just hate to leave all these work units orphaned, as i know it will delay other folks from recieving their credit (they will have to be sent back out again).

Dig

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PK28,

If you look at your account page (click the link up above) and then view your results history, are you seeing a lot of Client Errors since you started crunching 4.10 work units? That's what i was asking. You may or may not be, but that is the issue i have been having. :)

Dig

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> You're right, my bad for going OT.

Really no big deal! It's kind of hard to know where "the line" is anyway. :)

> There is an existing bug on this issue, no 97
> I'd be inclined to post a follow-up to that, but indicate in the follow-up
> that you're using SAH v4.10 and as much other detail as you can provide.

Funny, I'd already looked at that and written it off because the subject was losing graphics when going from BOINC 4.19 to 4.25 (mine worked fine with both) were as I "lost it" when going from S@H 4.09 to 4.10, but you guys have been doing this alot longer than me, so I'll go with your suggestion. Thanks.

> For those of you who can't get any graphics at all... try repeatedly hitting
> the "show graphics" option and see if it eventually displays. If it does, do
> you then get a client error? I'm curious about this.

Digger, this definitely was not a problem ! I had heard that 4.10 resolved alot of screensaver issues, so I was looking forward to it (my only issue is no screensaver when password protecting). When I finally got a 4.10 WU and had no graphics at all (a GIANT step backwards to me), I'm afraid I was, shall we say "a little abusive" of the "show graphics" option (my mouse clicking finger is still a little red! ;) I've tried that and the Win screensaver "preview" a number of times and no a hint of anything - but also no client errors either.

Thanks to all of you for your responses - Greg

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> Hi again Ralic. I'm sorry but i'm a bit confused by your suggestion. If we
> had a problem with our hardware (i.e. memory/disk issues) then why did this
> only start happening with version 4.10? OR... are you perhaps simply trying

[going OT]
I have had experience with science apps that have downloaded, passed the MD5 check and churned through wu's throwing errors. These have been resolved by a project reset. Admittedly, these usually throw errors immediately, and not only when invoking specially functionality, like graphics. (it's a long shot)
[/going OT]

Since I'm not able to replicate the problem myself, I'm just offering ideas that I would try myself to resolve the problem.

You'd be surprised how many strange errors can be resolved with a machine reboot. ;-)

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Digger,
Where are you looking to find this this?

> > Ever since I DL'ed v. 4.1 I have choppy graphics; that is when the
> program is
> > responding. It seems to lock up and quit process data - v. 4.09 ran like
> a
> > charm.
> >
>
> Thanks PK28... that at least confirms that someone else is having the same
> problem as i am having. When you look at your account after it is updated,
> are these failed work units showing up as client errors? Just curious.
>
> Dig
>

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Bill McIlwee
wmcilwee@charter.net

> You may want to try a project reset, followed by a reboot to see if that
> solves the problem in case it's related to some kind of memory/disk issue.
> BUT, be warned that a project reset will discard the application
> executable and any workunits that were downloaded for the project, and these
> aren't recoverable by your client.
>
>
Hi again Ralic. I'm sorry but i'm a bit confused by your suggestion. If we had a problem with our hardware (i.e. memory/disk issues) then why did this only start happening with version 4.10? OR... are you perhaps simply trying to pinpoint the bug in the 4.10 software which is somehow creating a memory and/or disk issue? I'd rather not reset the project. As i said previously, it works fine as long as i don't choose to display the graphics.

Thanks again,

Dig

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> Ever since I DL'ed v. 4.1 I have choppy graphics; that is when the program is
> responding. It seems to lock up and quit process data - v. 4.09 ran like a
> charm.
>

Thanks PK28... that at least confirms that someone else is having the same problem as i am having. When you look at your account after it is updated, are these failed work units showing up as client errors? Just curious.

Dig

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> b) The graphics are displayed, however they are very choppy and slow, and the
> work unit is then terminated with client errors.

You may want to try a project reset, followed by a reboot to see if that solves the problem in case it's related to some kind of memory/disk issue. BUT, be warned that a project reset will discard the application executable and any workunits that were downloaded for the project, and these aren't recoverable by your client.

[edit]
I don't suggest everyone tries this.
[/edit]

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Ever since I DL'ed v. 4.1 I have choppy graphics; that is when the program is responding. It seems to lock up and quit process data - v. 4.09 ran like a charm.

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Bill McIlwee
wmcilwee@charter.net

> Getting back to the original question of this post, I'm not experiencing any
> client or computational errors, just absolutley no graphics since seti
> upgraded to 4.10. Should that be reported as a bug as well - seperate from
> Diggers problem (181)?
>

Hi again everybody. From what i have read so far in the forums, the graphics problem with 4.10 seems to manifest itself in two ways:

a) You don't get any graphics at all, but your client keeps crunching okay (this has happened to me as well)...

OR...

b) The graphics are displayed, however they are very choppy and slow, and the work unit is then terminated with client errors.

For those of you who can't get any graphics at all... try repeatedly hitting the "show graphics" option and see if it eventually displays. If it does, do you then get a client error? I'm curious about this.

Thanks,

Dig

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Hi MGZ

> Getting back to the original question of this post, I'm not experiencing any
> client or computational errors, just absolutley no graphics since seti

You're right, my bad for going OT.

> upgraded to 4.10. Should that be reported as a bug as well - seperate from
> Diggers problem (181)?

There is an existing bug on this issue, no 97

I'd be inclined to post a follow-up to that, but indicate in the follow-up that you're using SAH v4.10 and as much other detail as you can provide.

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Getting back to the original question of this post, I'm not experiencing any client or computational errors, just absolutley no graphics since seti upgraded to 4.10. Should that be reported as a bug as well - seperate from Diggers problem (181)?

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I just start running my first WU seti 4.10 and there is no graphic available but it's running (same for Einstein@home in my case). Graphics for CPDN are OK.

I use a P4 3Ghz and a Radeon X300 graphic card.

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>
> @Digger
> You can report bugs here, like you have done, but there's also a separate bug
> reporting area located here.
>

Hiya Ralic!

Will do! I'm sorry i was not aware of the 'bug reporting area' prior to this, but i will go there shortly and do a search for my specific problem. I appreciate your reply!

To reiterate, i have not experienced this bug until 4.10 was downloaded to my machine and i began crunching 4.10 work units. You are welcome to view my result history. As you will see, prior to version 4.10 i have not received any client errors of any kind on this machine:

http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=664100

Also, i have more detailed explanations of my issue on this thread:

http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=13319

I'm pretty certain that these are not just anomalies, as it would be a pretty big coincidence if i just happened to receive 4 work units in a row with errors, that also just happened to quit on me immediately upon hitting the "show graphics" option.

I'll try to help in any way i can. My specs are as follows:

Intel Celeron D (Prescott) Processor 2.93 Ghz
512 MB PC3200 DDR
Intel 82845G onboard graphics (64MB Shared)
Windows XP Home SP2
BOINC Client 4.25
SETI Client 4.10

Thanks again for your response, i'll go look at the Bug Reports now.

Happy crunching. :)

Dig

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