there are still dozens of active standards for these tags, so development is chaotic.
Nothing like letting the markets do their own standardizing based on their own interests, isn't there?

One needn't look further than the plethora of incompatible cellphone networks here - Since no two companies share standards, each one has to put up its own tower, and if you have three "providers", that's three antennas where you'd only need one if everyone worked on one standard...

So I think we'd need about 7 RFIDs just to make sure that at least one gets the message through.

Or force standards down RFID manufacturers' throats like WalMart does.

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> As for the info being hyjacked, I guess it is like all other secure Data. The
> info itself is not stored on the chip, just the retrival code, and if you do
> not have physical characteristics and the location of the chip, info will not
> be released. Also the identifier in the number sequence is the only thing that

I was watching a lecture on UWTV (University of Washington Television. I love my TiVo) that talked about the current generation of RFID tags used for products and pets. Very little is currently stored on-chip, but he says that's about to change in the next few generations. There will be enough space for critical information that should be had without access to network. The impression I got is they'll have enough, for instance, to let a paramedic know of a diabetic condition even if his van's network comms is cut.

Their biggest problem, at least in the consumer goods world, is there are still dozens of active standards for these tags, so development is chaotic.

Best to leave the elephant lovers out of it.

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>
> Sort of reminds me of the Paris Hilton cell phone thing. Someone hacks your ID
> implant and the next thing it's telling the world that you are a child
> molesting terrorist with an unnatural love of elephants; or maybe it just
> erases all your drug allergies so that you are given a killer shot of
> penicillin.
>
> No thanks.

Hey Blanketpower,
First..interesting avatar. :-)
As for the info being hyjacked, I guess it is like all other secure Data. The info itself is not stored on the chip, just the retrival code, and if you do not have physical characteristics and the location of the chip, info will not be released. Also the identifier in the number sequence is the only thing that remains constant. The first numbers and last numbers displayed in the scanner change according to location reading takes place. These numbers are changed several times a day to insure safegaurd of the info. The only real way someone could really mess you up, is if they get a hold of your personal account access and add info to your medical or personal profile. Even this is by emailing me to a unique account to verify that I changed the info.

Respectfully,

Rocky

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> Interesting you should say that Murasaki,
> They have had trouble with the scanner reading the Id Tag number on only A
> small percent of chips, and it directly involved a certian Cell Phone
> Frequency that the Govt used. It botched the display on the scanner. Now they
> are on a frequency that has no other type of communication assigned to it. I
> forgot how high...but uo there.
> This was something I worried about initially.

Sort of reminds me of the Paris Hilton cell phone thing. Someone hacks your ID implant and the next thing it's telling the world that you are a child molesting terrorist with an unnatural love of elephants; or maybe it just erases all your drug allergies so that you are given a killer shot of penicillin.

No thanks.

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> I wonder how hard it would be to make a jammer for such tags. After all, the
> tags themselves aren't powered and only communicate by remodulating a constant
> carrier from the reading unit (that's a VERY small return signal). A little
> noise generator with a lithium battery, hmm...

Interesting you should say that Murasaki,
They have had trouble with the scanner reading the Id Tag number on only A small percent of chips, and it directly involved a certian Cell Phone Frequency that the Govt used. It botched the display on the scanner. Now they are on a frequency that has no other type of communication assigned to it. I forgot how high...but uo there.
This was something I worried about initially.

Respectfully,

Rocky

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I wonder how hard it would be to make a jammer for such tags. After all, the tags themselves aren't powered and only communicate by remodulating a constant carrier from the reading unit (that's a VERY small return signal). A little noise generator with a lithium battery, hmm...

> I know we don't usually see eye-to-eye on topics, but on this one I'm with you
> (even if I'm a bit squeamish about RFID implants... rather have an RDIF dog
> tag).
>
Either intentional or accidental the problem with tags is they can be "lost", "misplaced" etc., implants are MUCH harder to "lose".

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> > Ok, i understand the situation, but even in this case i think it would be
> more
> > human to poision her, than to let her die by starvation...
> >
>
> I think Tom can confirm this Ulrich, but what you are missing here is that it
> is illegal in the US to euthanize someone. You can let them die, but you can
> not speed up the process by the means of poisons. If was legal I am sure that
> was what would have been done.
>
> However, it was my understanding that they did give her high dose Morphine.
> Morphine is the only legal way to end a life medically in the US and only
> because people consider it a pain killer.
>
EXCEPT in Oregon...IF you as a sane and dying person BUT with FULL mental capabilities go into a Doctor's Ofice and ask them, they ARE authorized by State Law to provide you with the pills necessary to cause an overdose, therby causing your death.
YOU MUST take your own pills!!!!! NO ONE can help you do it, but it IS an option. It would NOT have been an option in the Schiavo case.

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dog,

I'm hardly qualified to advise on a case by case, state by state basis on this matter, especially since state's law is not uniform across the board on this subject.

Just like a regular will, I think the best advice is to search out advice from the pros, ie check with a lawyer who is familiar with medical law in your own state.

I have heard of some 'package' material on this, but I have no current links to direct anyone now. The link I had is no longer working.

But just like generic 'write your own' wills, there can be insufficient 'write your own' living wills too.

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I think the Nevada Living Will pretty much covers all the bases.
Paul let me know if you think there are any loopholes. (Link posted somewhat below)

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> I am sure as the technology evolves more and more people will utilize it.

rocky, In your instance, it sounds as if you have covered your bases exceptionally well... and if in your state the p.o.a. is a part of the living will, you've covered that aspect as well.

My post was meant to urge people to look beyond just what a living will provides in most instances.

It's not just here in this forum that I keep seeing mention of a living will being the answer to any 'difficulties' arising about one's care, and I hope people will investigate their own situations and act accordingly.

Your very exacting methods are indicative of an excellent means to attempt to protect one's wishes. Let's hope others take a look at protecting their own desires and preserving thier own personal choices in this politicized climate surrounding medical care of today.

Best wishes for you, rocky.....

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> > You know what I meant.
> >
>
> Ohhhh you want return to owner information on it.. How cute :)
>
> You do realize that stray dogs get neutered???

Who are you calling a stray dog?

> > You know what I meant.
> >
>
> Ohhhh you want return to owner information on it.. How cute :)
>
> You do realize that stray dogs get neutered???
>

Ouch!

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> You know what I meant.
>

Ohhhh you want return to owner information on it.. How cute :)

You do realize that stray dogs get neutered???

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You know what I meant.

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> I know we don't usually see eye-to-eye on topics, but on this one I'm with you
> (even if I'm a bit squeamish about RFID implants... rather have an RDIF dog
> tag).
>

The implant is the RDIF dog tag...

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> I know we don't usually see eye-to-eye on topics, but on this one I'm with you
> (even if I'm a bit squeamish about RFID implants... rather have an RDIF dog
> tag).

NA,
I wouldn't say that we ususally don't see eye to eye. I have found many, many of your posts to be informative and straight forward. I actually agree with you more than I place in words here. And I too am still a little squeamish about the tag. I think I just got a little unsettled in the beginning because of all the hype about a satellite being able to track me.

Paul,
In the Commnwealth Of Virginia, where I reside, our "Living Will" includes the "Medical Directive Power of Attorney" however The RFID tag eliminates the need for anyone else to "make" my Medical desisions for me. In the inforamtion that is stored in your personal file, you can spell out in the finest of detail all of your wishes. As for me, after discussing this with my family, I have spelled out that if my team of Doctors have conclusively determined that I am in An irreversable Vegetative state, that I will not be artificially kept alive. This has nothing to do with a DNR (Do Not Resucitate) order, Which I do not have. As long as there is brain activity that will continue to sustain life, then they are to do everything necessary to revive me.
My home hospital has my information on file, and with things that are happening in the world right now, I do not want my wishes tampered with or challenged in any way, or left to those with emotional attachements...thus the reason for the "Chip". Another nice feature of the "Chip" is that I am not limited to my area hospital. I will have a wallet card, a Medical Alert bracelet and necklace, identifing the "RFID".
Someone mentioned earlier in this thread that they could put Medical Directive information right on the Drivers License just like the organ donation. Well Virginia has also enacted legislation to do just that for RFID carriers. Since I do not have a Drivers License any longer (Medically Revoked),
my info will be on my "walkers ID". In the event I am hospitalized in a facility that does not have a scanner the number on my several "ID's" will direct them to the RFID info center to recieve the info on my "Chip" electronically.

I am sure as the technology evolves more and more people will utilize it.

Have A Great Day And A Better Tomorrow!

Respectfully,

Rocky

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> Hi All,
> the easiest way to get around all of this is
> to have a living will.

A misconception is that having a 'living will' is enough to protect oneself in a case where you can't make known your desires, such as not wishing to be maintained in a vegetative state, but that is only part of what you may need.

A living will has some loopholes, if you will.  It's not ....all you need.

If you are not conscious or able to defend your wishes outlined in your living will, a relative or someone/anyone might contest the matter, might hire a lawyer, and go after the hospital's "risk management" staff or seek hearings before the courts.  Living wills and donor designation documents are often 'broken' in this manner.

A 'medical power of attorney' is also needed so you can assign medical decisions to someone else if you are incapacitated or are not conscious and able to express your desires. Your designee then can legally argue for the points covered in your living will and any other contingencies which may pop up that you may not have delineated in your living will.

That additional legal document you should acquire, a health care power of attorney, can make all the difference.  

It gives the bearer the legal right to make all the health care decisions on your behalf in the case you cannot act for yourself. That person, as a communicative adult, can implement legal action on your behalf and this gets the requisite respect from hospital administrators.  This person is also empowered to make these decisions even if the particular situation was not considered when the document was drawn up.  This can make all the difference in case of some kind of litigation.

The person designated to have the power of attorney will have total access to the patient’s medical records and will be entitled to visit the patient.  A member of the patient's family cannot tell the hospital to exclude the designee.
 

In the case of non-marriage relationships a medical power of attorney will provide legal standing where there may not be any created outside of a state's marriage laws. (Something no living will can do.)

I would urge people to do both, write up a living will and designate a medical power of attorney. And most of all, periodically review and update the same.

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I know we don't usually see eye-to-eye on topics, but on this one I'm with you (even if I'm a bit squeamish about RFID implants... rather have an RDIF dog tag).

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