Again, not that anybody gives a shit, maybe we should pull our heads out of the sand/our asses and look at this. It's not new and I've believed in this for a long time, for like 30 years. The Earth IS a giant oil making factory that'll continue to function for untold eons. Dead dinosaurs do not = Oil. Of course, at $60 a barrel, do you really think that Big Oil wants the ignorant public to know.

Ziggy

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Oil Reserves Are Increasing

by George Crispin

Eugene Island is an underwater mountain located about 80 miles off the coast of Louisiana in the Gulf of Mexico. In 1973 oil was struck and off-shore platform Eugene 330 erected. The field began production at 15,000 barrels a day, then gradually fell off, as is normal, to 4,000 barrels a day in 1989, Then came the surprise; it reversed itself and increased production to 13,000 barrels a day. Probable reserves have been increased to 400 million barrels from 60 million. The field appears to be filling from below and the crude coming up today is from a geological age different from the original crude, which leads to the speculation that the world has limitless supplies of petroleum.

This really interested some scientists. Thomas Gold, astronomer and professor emeritus of Cornell held for years that oil is actually renewable primordial syrup continually manufactured by the earth under ultra hot conditions and tremendous pressures. This substance migrates upward picking up bacteria that attack it making it appear to have an organic origin, i.e., come from dinosaurs and vegetation. As best I have found so far Russian scientists support his position, at least that petroleum is of primordial origin. There is now plenty of evidence around proving the presence of methane in our universe. It is easy to see it as a part of the formation of the earth. Under the right conditions of temperature and pressure, it converts to more complex hydrocarbons.

Roger Andersen, an oceanographer and executive director of Columbia’s Energy Research Center proposed studying the behavior of this reservoir. The underwater landscape around Eugene Island is weird, cut with faults and fissures that belch gas and oil. The field is operated by PennzEnergy Co. Andersen proposed to study the action of the sea bottom around the mountain and the field at its top and persuaded the U S Dept of Energy to ante up ten million which was matched by a consortium of oil giants including Chevron, Exxon, and Tex Corp. This work began about the time 3-D seismic technology was introduced to oil exploration. Anderson was able to stack 3D images resulting in a 4D image that showed the reservoir in 3 spatial dimensions and enabled researchers to track the movement of oil. Their most stunning find was a deep fault at a bottom corner of the computer scan that showed oil literally gushing in. "We could see the stream," says Andersen. "It wasn’t even debated that it was happening."

Work continued for five years until funds ran out and they were unable to continue. With the world having 40 years of proven reserves in hand it is difficult to interest the major oil producers in much exploration, let alone something done merely for research, and so far from the current accepted theory of a fossil origin for oil.

Similar occurrences have been seen at other Gulf Of Mexico fields, at the Cook Inlet oil field, at oil fields in Uzbekistan, and it is possible this accounts for the longevity of the Saudi Arabian fields where few new finds have been made, yet reserves have doubled while the fields have been exploited mercilessly for 50 years.

Not only can the doom and gloomers not show us running out of the natural resources we recycle, but now there appears to be good odds of a limitless supply of petroleum working its way up to where we can capture it.

A caveat: Gold’s theory is not yet accepted by all scientists, probably all the more reason to trust it.

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Roman citizen: "So it's one, two, three, four, five, six... uh... VII?"
Shopkeeper: "Seven"
Citizen: "Yes, yes. Seven, eight, nine, ten, right?"
Shopkeeper: "Right."
Citizen: "Very well. Give me one two bags of cloves."
Shopkeeper: "You mean twelve?"
Citizen: "I mean cloves."
Shopkeeper: "No, no. One two is twelve."
Citizen: "I see... so your address is not one two zero, it's twelve zero."
Shopkeeper: "No, that's a hundred and twenty."
Citizen: "OH FORGET IT!!! I WILL NEVER LEARN THIS 'DECIMAL' NONSENSE IF I LIVE TO BE C!"

-From a comedy skit by, I think, The Frantics.

> Why are there two different amounts for the same thing?

saenger,
It's a recognition of differences in weights, both dry and liquid, and differences in dry volumes and liquid volumes in varied substances.... complicated but often much more precise from a scientific standpoint.

> How should anyone keep track of this mess outside your little country?

If you read the history of trade and the need to convert different measures designated by royal decree into standards of commerce as opposed to units of scientific measure you would see that even SI has to ignore some science in order to achieve 'standardization'.

In some applications, SI is less than perfect, which can result in 'messes' all it's own.

If you can find it, Asimov's essay, "Forget It" talks about measures and is a very good read.

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> liter = 0.264178 x gallon
> gallon (US) = 3.7853 x liter
> from http://www.tritechresearch.com/conversn.shtml

Just looked in my german - english dictionary on my desk and found this:

British (dry and liquid): 1 gallon = 4 quarts = 4.5459 liter
US (dry): 1 gallon = 4 quarts = 4.405 liter
US (liquid): 1 gallon = 4 quarts = 3,785 liter

Why are there two different amounts for the same thing?
So with even more emphasis: Please use SI-units.
How should anyone keep track of this mess outside your little country?

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Gruesse vom Saenger

For questions about Boinc look in the BOINC-Wiki

> You get your gas nearly for free and complain???
> ATM the prices are something about €1 - €1,3 per liter ($6-$7 per gallon, just
> curious, it's 4.4 liter, right? Try to use SI please ;)
>
liter = 0.264178 x gallon
gallon (US) = 3.7853 x liter
from http://www.tritechresearch.com/conversn.shtml

> IMHO the major point is the mileage, below 30 is just incredible crap!
> And another point is plain and simple lazyness. If you drive even distances
> under 1 km (~0,63 miles) you've lost IMHO your complaining rights, just walk
> or ride a bike.
>
kilometer = 0.62137 x mile (statute)
>
I do not ride a bide, I am over 50 and have had 2 foot surgeries. I do not walk too far, more than a couple of minutes hurts my feet.
Soooo....I drive wherever I have to go. I do own 2 small 4 door cars, a Honda Accord and a Toyota Corolla. Both get in the 20-25mpg range.
I also own an SUV, it is the "family" car and is used whenever we have to take trips or when I have to take a friend that is waaaay to big to fit in the other cars. It is a Honda Pilot and gets around 20mpg if I keep the tires aired up, the a/c off and my foot out of the gas pedal. If any of those things goes badly, I am down in the high teens for mpg.
My wife still works and commutes almost 50 miles per day round trip.

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> Anyway, a population of 20,000 can't support a public transportation service
> of any type....but I DO ride my bike a lot in the spring and summer. I bought
> it with the money I saved at the gas pump with my 6-cylinder.

> I thought THIS was God???
>

Yes, where is he?

We could really use some spiritual guidance around here these days! And, as far as I remember, he had some questions, he didn't answer!

So, please God, come back here and take care of your little flock here on this board! Even, I know you must be busy elsewhere e.g. in Asia after the tzunami, if you could make a free space in your busy schedule for us here for some spiritual advice, we will be very gratefull!

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"I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me

> just walk

Feets, ...... do your stuff.
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I'm a strong proponent of more walking, saenger

Where I live it seems if someone isn't driving a car they have to ride an ATV or a snowmachine....

Walking is nearly non-existant... People just scoff when I suggest they just do some walking.

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> > And GOD has spoken!
>
> Would you please stop this spamming, Mr.HR impersonater!
> I've Mushbrain on the ignore list, and you nobrainer make me have to read his
> bull*** nevertheless.
> And you spam the board with useless crap!
> So: Shut up!
>
> The ignorelist is unfortunately finite!
>

How do you know it isn't the real Mr.HR??? He and the rest of his family have been lurking around here all the time!

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"I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me

> Quality of human life is ALL about oil! And THAT is a major part of the issue!
> We, as people, NEED energy, alot of the Worlds energy currently comes from
> OIL! Without oil we are back to the horse and buggy days!
> Like it or not, we NEED oil companies and countries that have oil! We NEED
> them to maintain our standard of living! We NEED them to increase our standard
> of living! We should try and actually ARE trying to find other ways to do the
> things we need and do. It will NOT be easy, but it is a MUST DO!

Agreed, we need oil atm, but not that incredible amount of it, that is wasted for fun in gasguzzlers, A/C, outdated power plants....

> There ARE many ideas on the table, some good, some not so good. Corn can be
> made into a fuel for our cars, oil from restaurants can be recycled into fuel
> for our cars, pond scum can be made into a fuel for our cars, the plants in
> California that grow wild on the hillsides and cause such terrible fires every
> fall, are full of an oil that can be turned into fuel for our cars!

A resonable amount of diesel fuel is already made of rape seed in Germany. Works fine. And some Taxis in Berlin run on simply filtered frying oil without problems.

> The problem with all of this is the COST!!! We now pay, in the US, around
> $2.00 or so per gallon of regular gas. Those other things can make that same
> gallon cost closer to $4.00, AND UP!!!

These prices are a bit more than nothing ;)
You get your gas nearly for free and complain???
ATM the prices are something about €1 - €1,3 per liter ($6-$7 per gallon, just curious, it's 4.4 liter, right? Try to use SI please ;)

> You in Europe can expect to pay more
> too, you may actually use some of these ideas before the US does, simply
> because of the costs. In some areas of the US "gasahol" is available, a
> mixture of up to 10% corn oil. ALL US car manufacturers say their cars can run
> on this mixture just fine. This is a start, but far from the answer!!

IMHO the major point is the mileage, below 30 is just incredible crap!
And another point is plain and simple lazyness. If you drive even distances under 1 km (~0,63 miles) you've lost IMHO your complaining rights, just walk or ride a bike.

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Gruesse vom Saenger

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> And GOD has spoken!

Would you please stop this spamming, Mr.HR impersonater!
I've Mushbrain on the ignore list, and you nobrainer make me have to read his bull*** nevertheless.
And you spam the board with useless crap!
So: Shut up!

The ignorelist is unfortunately finite!

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Gruesse vom Saenger

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> > If you cared so much about your community as you SAY you do then you
> would be
> > concerned with your environment since it is that environment that you and
> your
> > community exist in.
>
>
> People come before trees and animals. You'd know that if you actually cared
> about anything other than yourself.
>

And GOD has spoken!

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> > That's a nice looking bike you got there. But my GT Performer is better.
>
>
> Probably cost a lot more than $120 too.
>
> > If a person was really that concerned with the impact to the environment,
> they
> > would not drive a car that uses gas at all.
>
> Never claimed to be concerned with the enviroment. I ride my bike for
> exercise and entertainment. Saving fuel, and by association the enviroment,
> is just a fringe benefit :)
>

And GOD has spoken!

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> > But how many trees had to be cut down to make your bus pass?
>
> If I knew how to say "in my car" in another language, then maybe I could reach
> you on a level you could understand.
>
> Anyway, a population of 20,000 can't support a public transportation service
> of any type....but I DO ride my bike a lot in the spring and summer. I bought
> it with the money I saved at the gas pump with my 6-cylinder.
>

>

And GOD has spoken!

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> > But that would mean waiting for an oil crisis to happen wouldn't it?
> Besides,
> > all oil will run out sooner or later anyways. This would REALLY force us
> look
> > for other alternatives to oil.
>
> Depends on how you define crisis. Gas is already over $2 a gallon in many
> places which is significantly higher than prices during the "fuel crisis" of
> the late 70's and early 80's.
>
> Since I don't drive an SUV, or monster truck, I don't have any problems
> keeping fuel in my car. That, coupled with the fact that oil is a
> nonrenewable resource suggest to me that it's better to tighten your belt and
> prepare for the future than to waste money now.
>

And GOD has spoken!

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> A terrible idea indeed.
>
> The Alaskan oil reserves should be saved for future Americans when there is a
> genuine oil shortage rather than plundered now in order to lower rising fuel
> costs and dependence on foreign oil.
>

And GOD has spoken!

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> > If you cared so much about your community as you SAY you do then you
> would be
> > concerned with your environment since it is that environment that you and
> your
> > community exist in.
>
>
> People come before trees and animals. You'd know that if you actually cared
> about anything other than yourself.

Then why don't you go swimming in your local sewer?

> The truly interesting part of the equations is that the fertilizers used to
> grow corn (and just about everything else) are made using petroleum products,
> from what I hear. So the question is, is there really much of a net gain in
> energy versus just skipping the whole growth and fermentation process and just
> burning the oil directly? I'd be interested in seeing some numbers on this.
>

I had looked it up a while back (and I don't feel like finding links to this again), but it had a net gain of about 20% (corn when grown for fuel). This was corn stalks, which are actually very poor for this use because of their low yield (IIRC 20 gal/dry ton). Paper was about 70 gal/ton, wood (brush) was about the same. If it were all trash the only energy expenditure is for transport to the factory, and what it take to process.

There is gain, just not a huge one. But the biggest problem I see, is the one dimentional approach being taken now (99% of the material is farmed for that use or as a dumping ground for the cornstalks after food growing). We could cut our need for landfills greatly if we decomposed the organic portion and this would actually provide usable fuel (I am assuming sorting out recyclable metal and plastic).

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Still looking for something profound or inspirational to place here.

The truly interesting part of the equations is that the fertilizers used to grow corn (and just about everything else) are made using petroleum products, from what I hear. So the question is, is there really much of a net gain in energy versus just skipping the whole growth and fermentation process and just burning the oil directly? I'd be interested in seeing some numbers on this.

Everclear is USP, as in Pharmaceutical grade grain alchohol. An ear of corn is on the label.

You can buy it on the shelf here. If you pick up the wrong icy cold glass at the barbecue and slug it right down on a hot summer day...... well, let's just say .......it is not good. Little or no impurities but that's not going to be of any consolation, at that point.

Just cause your thirsty, if there be Everclear around, it's best to sip cautiously that first small taste, before glugging just any old icy tumbler down the gullet.

Signed,

Lived to tell of it.....

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