> I guess you could say diagnostics instead of two agnostics Murasaki. Or hey,
> why not triagnostics for three, and so on.

Then I guess the phrase "running diagnostics" would be a three-legged race somewhere other than a church picnic?

> > I guess you could say diagnostics instead of two agnostics Murasaki. Or
> hey,
> > why not triagnostics for three, and so on.
>
> Then I guess the phrase "running diagnostics" would be a three-legged race
> somewhere other than a church picnic?
>

Heh, I think you COULD use the phrase like that. Although the first thing that came to my mind was two two-legged guys.

> Heh, I think you COULD use the phrase like that. Although the first thing that
> came to my mind was two two-legged guys.

The condition would still be reversible. After the race, the diagnostics can be separated again easily into their component agnostics. Maybe this would be an "agnostitomy"?

> > Heh, I think you COULD use the phrase like that. Although the first thing
> that
> > came to my mind was two two-legged guys.
>
> The condition would still be reversible. After the race, the diagnostics can
> be separated again easily into their component agnostics. Maybe this would be
> an "agnostitomy"?
>

Wooh, it just seems to get more complex. Agnostitomy... I won't even attempt to....

Ancient joke:

Q: What does an agnostic, dyslexic, insomniac do?

A: Stays up all night wondering if there really is a doG.

>”Agnostic: A person who believes that the human mind cannot know whether there is a God or an ultimate cause, or anything beyond material phenomena.”

I would see it, that if they can’t define the god they speak of then we can’t begin to discuss it because we don’t know what they are claiming.

A God that made Adam and Eve for example, could be very different to an unknown natural phenomena responsible for all of existence.
Why would we assume that it’s unknowable?

Interestingly, Webster’s dictionary [American] is the first known dictionary to distort the the meaning of atheist. The original author had a Christian bias.

"I am a theist," means, "I know that God exists." "I am an atheist"
means, "I do not know that God exists." Appending the Greek prefix "a"
could in no way be construed as meaning, I know that God does not exist."
[Chester Dolan, "Blind Faith"]

"I am an atheist because there is no evidence for the existence of God.
That should be all that needs to be said about it: no evidence, no belief."
[Dan Barker, "Losing Faith in Faith: From Preacher to Atheist"]

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>
>
>
>
> >”Agnostic: A person who believes that the human mind cannot know whether
> there is a God or an ultimate cause, or anything beyond material phenomena.”
>
> I would see it, that if they can’t define the god they speak of then we can’t
> begin to discuss it because we don’t know what they are claiming.
>
> A God that made Adam and Eve for example, could be very different to an
> unknown natural phenomena responsible for all of existence.
> Why would we assume that it’s unknowable?
>

I'd agree with that. Agnostic in the dictionary form that I provided, would be different from the literal sense of agnostic that I was referring to when I responded to Pual's description of me being Agnostic. Having questions about, or not having scientific proof of certain religious history, doctrine, etc, would be an example of being agnostic in a literal sense.

> > >”Agnostic: A person who believes that the human mind cannot know
> whether
> > there is a God or an ultimate cause, or anything beyond material
> phenomena.”
> >

Agnatheist: Well, this is what I am, and I will let the ignorant Christian right define it.

Have a nice day!

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>
> Interestingly, Webster’s dictionary [American] is the first known dictionary
> to distort the the meaning of atheist. The original author had a Christian
> bias.
>
> "I am a theist," means, "I know that God exists." "I am an atheist"
> means, "I do not know that God exists." Appending the Greek prefix "a"
> could in no way be construed as meaning, I know that God does not exist."
> [Chester Dolan, "Blind Faith"]
>
> "I am an atheist because there is no evidence for the existence of God.
> That should be all that needs to be said about it: no evidence, no belief."
> [Dan Barker, "Losing Faith in Faith: From Preacher to Atheist"]
>
> ~~~~~~~~
>

Athiest in the strict Greek sense means without God. This is the correct form.

Just to add, I don't have anything against an athiest person. Nor do I think that religion should be imposed on someone.

I'm not sure about that Alex.

I think it means "without belief in god" rather than, "without god".


The reason I say that is because "theist" means "One who believes
in the existence of a god or gods"



IMO Understanding each others deffinitions is the main problem in
religious discussions.

>
> I'm not sure about that Alex.
>
> I think it means "without belief in god" rather than, "without god".
>
>
> The reason I say that is because "theist" means "One who believes
> in the existence of a god or gods"
>
>
>
> IMO Understanding each others deffinitions is the main problem in
> religious discussions.
>

I guess so, but I think you can probly use both "without God" and "without belief in God" to describe the same thing. If I remember, witches were accused of being "without God" in the old old days.

atheist ~ from the Greek.` athe os` ....literal meaning = godless; a person who denies or disbelieves the existance of a supreme being or beings...

godless = having or acknowledging no god or diety,

agnostic ~ from the Greek, `agnost os` ....not known, incapable of being known; a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God, and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human knowledge is limited to experience.
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anoesis ~ a state of mind consisting of pure sensation or emotion without cognitive content.

noesis ~ from the Greek, `noesis` ....literal meanig = thought; the exercise of reason.

Where does one sign up for the one-legged race? (is a leg to stand on necessary to enter?)

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> atheist ~ from the Greek.` athe os` ....literal meaning = godless; a person
> who denies or disbelieves the existance of a supreme being or beings...
>
> godless = having or acknowledging no god or diety,
>
> agnostic ~ from the Greek, `agnost os` ....not known, incapable of being
> known; a person who holds that the existence of the ultimate cause, as God,
> and the essential nature of things are unknown and unknowable, or that human
> knowledge is limited to experience.
> -----------------------
> anoesis ~ a state of mind consisting of pure sensation or emotion without
> cognitive content.
>
> noesis ~ from the Greek, `noesis` ....literal meanig = thought; the exercise
> of reason.
>
> Where does one sign up for the one-legged race? (is a leg to stand on
> necessary to enter?)
>

Well done Paul. But you gotta contact Murasaki about the race.

>
> > > >”Agnostic: A person who believes that the human mind cannot
> know
> > whether
> > > there is a God or an ultimate cause, or anything beyond material
> > phenomena.”
> > >
>
> Agnatheist: Well, this is what I am, and I will let the ignorant Christian
> right define it.
>
> Have a nice day!
>
>

Agnatheist? Heh, I think you just said you don't have any knowledge of atheism. [edited]