What political minority would this be? According to most polls I've ever seen the respondents don't tend to believe that a fertilized egg is a person.

poll010626.html

"58 percent of Americans support stem cell research, while 30 percent oppose it, according to a new ABCNEWS/Beliefnet poll. Six in 10 also say the federal government should fund it."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/05/24/opinion/polls/main697546.shtml

"58% of Americans approve of medical research using embryonic stem cells, while 31% disapprove. Approval is higher now than it was last August; then, 50% approved and 31% disapproved, but 19% had no opinion."

http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=488


In 2001, a Harris Poll reported that a 3-to-1 majority believed that stem cell research should be allowed. Three years later, a new Harris Poll finds that this majority supporting stem cell research has increased to more than 6-to-1. Other changes since 2001 are a substantial increase in the number of people who have seen, read or heard about the debate on stem cell research, stronger support for arguments in favor of stem cell research and less support for arguments against it.

seems the majority of americans feel it's ok.....MMMMM.....

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Maybe you two got lost somewhere since the last two Presidental elections....

Otherwise you would have noticed that "polls" are not an accurate reflection of the voting booth.

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Maybe you two got lost somewhere since the last two Presidental elections....

Otherwise you would have noticed that "polls" are not an accurate reflection of the voting booth.

The voting booth is not a reflection of who wins like in Florida.

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Maybe you two got lost somewhere since the last two Presidental elections....

Otherwise you would have noticed that "polls" are not an accurate reflection of the voting booth.

Now who is sticking thier head were the sun dosnt shine.....

How many polls do you want me to quote?

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That opinion is one of the reasons you, and several others, are political minorities in this country.

...and ES, you're right, I really couldn't care less what you think, especially when you offer no proof to support your opinions.

You're not American, you don't vote in our elections, you don't pay our taxes. Your opinion is irrelavent when it comes to American politics.

The difference between and embryo and a foetus is not an opinion, it's a fact...and seeing as I teach science for a living, I think you can pretty much take my word for it..try looking beyond the narrow definitions in a dictionary, you might learn something.

Since when has Stem Cell research been purely an American issue? Each day I am astounded as I discover new depths to your ignorance. No wonder you fall back so quickly on insults. You have little else to support your opinions.

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Bush vetoes stem cell bill; House can't override him

By Charles Babington
THE WASHINGTON POST
The Chicago Tribune contributed to this report.

July 20, 2006

WASHINGTON – President Bush issued his first veto yesterday, rejecting Congress' bid to lift funding restrictions on embryonic stem cell research and underscoring his party's split on an emotional issue in this fall's elections.

At a White House ceremony where he was flanked by children produced from what he called adopted frozen embryos, Bush said taxpayers should not support research on surplus embryos at fertility clinics, even if the embryos offer possible medical breakthroughs and are slated for disposal.

The vetoed bill “would support the taking of innocent human life in the hope of finding medical benefits for others,” the president said, as babies softly cooed and cried behind him. “It crosses a moral boundary that our decent society needs to respect.” Each child on the stage, he said, “began his or her life as a frozen embryo that was created for in vitro fertilization but remained unused after the fertility treatments were complete. ... These boys and girls are not spare parts.”

Within hours of his announcement, the House, as expected, fell short in a bid to override the veto, extinguishing the issue as a legislative matter this year, but not as a political issue. Democrats said voters will penalize GOP candidates for the demise of a popular measure, and they predicted the issue could trigger the defeat of Bush allies such as Sen. Jim Talent, R-Mo., who faces a tough re-election battle.

“Those families who wake up every morning to face another day with a deadly disease or a disability will not forget this decision by the president to stand in the way of sound science and medical research,” said Sen. Richard Durbin, D-Ill.

Some conservative Republicans also criticized the veto.

“I am pro-life, but I disagree with the president's decision,” said Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., a heart surgeon who is weighing a 2008 presidential run. “Given the potential of this research and the limitations of the existing (embryonic stem cell) lines eligible for federally funded research, I think additional lines should be made available.”

The Republican-controlled House and Senate passed the stem cell legislation by comfortable margins, but not with the two-thirds majorities required to override a veto. The House voted 235-193 yesterday to override Bush, falling short of the threshold and negating the need for a Senate override attempt.

Reps. Brian Bilbray, R-Carlsbad; Bob Filner, D-San Diego; Susan Davis, D-San Diego; and Darrell Issa, R-Vista, voted to override the veto. Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Alpine, voted in favor of Bush's action.

Bush did sign a bill, unanimously passed this week by the House and Senate, to ban the creation of human fetuses for the sole purpose of harvesting organs. But the House thwarted prompt passage of another bill he had hoped to sign yesterday. It would have promoted efforts to conduct stem cell research without destroying embryos. Bush called it “an important piece of legislation,” but several Democrats called it a political fig leaf intended to distract attention from his veto of the long-debated funding measure for embryonic cells.

Bush has threatened vetoes on numerous issues over the years, but he and the Republican-controlled Congress worked out their differences. On stem cells, however, the president drew a sharp line during a televised address on Aug. 9, 2001, banning government funding for research using embryonic stem cell colonies created after that date.

Over the next five years, public sentiment increasingly moved away from him as celebrities such as former first lady Nancy Reagan and the late actor Christopher Reeve touted the potential that embryonic stem cells offer in treating Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, diabetes, spinal cord injuries and other conditions. Unlike adult stem cells, embryonic cells can replicate themselves and turn into any human tissue.

Officials say about 400,000 frozen embryos are stored at fertility clinics in the United States. The vast majority await disposal because the couples that produced them have completed their pursuit of children and do not want another person raising their biological child. Bush praised those who “adopt” such embryos and bring them to term.

But others said there will be few such adoptions because most couples seeking an in vitro child contribute their own sperm and/or egg. “Even with federal funding available to encourage adoption, the number is 128, which makes it conclusive that these 400,000 embryos will either be used for scientific research or thrown away,” Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., a proponent of the vetoed bill, said this week.

Bush and his allies contend that frozen embryos are tantamount to humans and therefore are no more appropriate for medical research than are death-row inmates. “If this bill were to become law,” Bush said yesterday, “American taxpayers would for the first time in our history be compelled to fund the deliberate destruction of human embryos.”

Others reject that analysis, saying it would make killers of every couple that produces an ultimately unused embryo in pursuit of a baby, and every employee and official who allows fertility clinics to produce and store such embryos.

“If that's murder, how come the president allows that to continue?” said Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa. “Where is his outrage?” Harkin called the veto “a shameful display of cruelty, hypocrisy and ignorance.”

Rep. Edward J. Markey, D-Mass., put it this way: “This will be remembered as a Luddite moment in American history.”

White House spokesman Tony Snow scoffed at the notion that Democrats could make political gains with the issue.

“I don't see this being a huge issue,” Snow said. “And if Democrats want to make that the centerpiece of their campaign, it will be interesting.”

Nonetheless, recent Gallup polling has found that most Americans support embryonic stem cell research. Among Republicans, about half find the research morally acceptable.

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Ayn Rand Institute Press Release
http://www.aynrand.org/

Government vs. Science
July 20, 2006

IRVINE, CA--"The political fighting over embryonic stem cell research is the inevitable result of government funding of science," said Dr. Yaron Brook, executive director of the Ayn Rand Institute.

"It is only because science today is so dominantly funded by the government that restrictions on federal funding can wreak the devastation they have--severely hindering a promising area of potentially life-saving medical research."

"If science were left free, as it should be, funded solely by private sources, a scientist would not have to plead the merits of his work before a majority of politicians, however ignorant or prejudiced by religious or other dogmas they might be.

"The government should get out of the business of funding science. But so long as it is involved, it must scrupulously respect the separation of Church and State. Its funding decisions must be made on rationally demonstrable, not faith-based, grounds. Bush's veto clearly violates this principle."

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