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Message 6617 - Posted: 12 Oct 2006, 8:23:44 UTC

In David Anderson's recent interview (4 Oct) he stressed the point that it will require about 14 times the computing power (or number of participants) to keep up with the volume of data produced by the new multi-beam recorder.
There was also a point that too few people know of the existence of BOINC.
This has probably already been tried, but has anyone at BOINC considered approaching Microsoft or Apple to get BOINC added to the list of freebie software/web-links that come bundled in with their OS or browsers?

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Message 6626 - Posted: 12 Oct 2006, 14:31:08 UTC - in response to Message 6617.  

In David Anderson's recent interview (4 Oct) he stressed the point that it will require about 14 times the computing power (or number of participants) to keep up with the volume of data produced by the new multi-beam recorder.
There was also a point that too few people know of the existence of BOINC.
This has probably already been tried, but has anyone at BOINC considered approaching Microsoft or Apple to get BOINC added to the list of freebie software/web-links that come bundled in with their OS or browsers?

Thats a very good point. If more people knew about bionc and the range of
projects that people can get involved in for FREE, i think more people would use the program.

I wish i could help. I am not very well connected.
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Message 6633 - Posted: 12 Oct 2006, 17:58:15 UTC - in response to Message 6617.  

This has probably already been tried, but has anyone at BOINC considered approaching Microsoft or Apple to get BOINC added to the list of freebie software/web-links that come bundled in with their OS or browsers?

A search for “BOINC” turned up nothing on Apple’s download pages. “SETI” turns up only a third-party Dashboard widget.

AFAICT any registered Apple developer (signing up with ADC is free) can get downloadable software—whether freeware, shareware or demos—linked to Apple’s website; I‘m surprised nobody from BOINC has done so.
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Message 6678 - Posted: 13 Oct 2006, 16:44:50 UTC

In David Anderson's recent interview (4 Oct) he stressed the point that it will require about 14 times the computing power (or number of participants) to keep up with the volume of data produced by the new multi-beam recorder.
There was also a point that too few people know of the existence of BOINC.


yes, I used to read and watch about seti@home many times, no one knows what BOINC is now....it's a pity. No documentaries, no nothing...

I heard about a new BOINC design, they will develop for next year, more friendly and simple, hope that helps to bring back old users....

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Message 6724 - Posted: 14 Oct 2006, 1:05:20 UTC - in response to Message 6617.  

but has Dr. A considered approaching Microsoft to get BOINC added to their OS as an included screensaver?

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Message 7106 - Posted: 17 Oct 2006, 10:32:00 UTC

The screensaver option would probably be the simplest and it would make sense to advertise this when the new, more user-friendly, BOINC interface gets released.

As Odysseus pointed out, there is already a mechanism in place to upload software to the Apple site (can't see an easy way to do this for Microsoft), provided you're a registered Apple developer and have exclusive rights to the software (so only the BOINC Devs could do that).

The link to Apple's screensavers is here Icons, Screensavers, etc.
and the "submit a file" button is handily placed at the bottom of the same page.

Enough said.
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Message 7126 - Posted: 17 Oct 2006, 13:39:33 UTC - in response to Message 7106.  

provided you're a registered Apple developer and have exclusive rights to the software (so only the BOINC Devs could do that).


Since BOINC is open source, would it satisfy the "exclusive rights" condition?

Also, in it's current state, BOINC does not do any work. The user would have to choose at least one project to run. perhaps this will be addressed in the "more user-friendly BOINC interface".
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Message 9948 - Posted: 20 Nov 2006, 12:46:23 UTC - in response to Message 6617.  
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In David Anderson's recent interview (4 Oct) he stressed the point that it will require about 14 times the computing power (or number of participants) to keep up with the volume of data produced by the new multi-beam recorder.
There was also a point that too few people know of the existence of BOINC.
This has probably already been tried, but has anyone at BOINC considered approaching Microsoft or Apple to get BOINC added to the list of freebie software/web-links that come bundled in with their OS or browsers?


I've been promoting BOINC & related projects on a series of pages in the Y!360 network for the past year. They're not brilliant because I am still on a learning curve myself & recently I have let things slide a little. But there's huge potential & there has been a lot of interest.

However, a lot of those who have contacted me are setting themselves up online for the first time & therefore the main problem that people come back to me with is that they simply don't understand the tech. What we need (& there may be one somewhere that I haven't found)is a kid/newb-friendly 'BOINC for Complete Beginners' site/page written in layman's terms where seemingly daft questions are not ridiculed. There should also be a ton of links for those who feel they are ready to join the science boards of their chosen project.

If possible maybe someone could sit on the page answering any questions or pointing people in the right direction at least.

We should also start looking at the potential crunching power of schools. BOINC would make a fantastic ongoing school science project. The whole subject & related projects are so diverse it would sit very well in a science/CSeD dept.

We need to start actively networking, but there is absolutely no point in doing this if we cannot help those without the tech. knowledge to back up their interest.

Just a thought.... :)
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Message 10204 - Posted: 26 Nov 2006, 5:40:57 UTC - in response to Message 9948.  


We should also start looking at the potential crunching power of schools. BOINC would make a fantastic ongoing school science project. The whole subject & related projects are so diverse it would sit very well in a science/CSeD dept.


I tried doing this at my old high school last year but I was shot down because they computer guy said that it would cost about $5,000 more a year to run the CPU full power on all PC's. I still belive that is a lot high but then again for 200 PC's you never know.

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Message 11737 - Posted: 24 Dec 2006, 7:29:55 UTC - in response to Message 10204.  


I tried doing this at my old high school last year but I was shot down because they computer guy said that it would cost about $5,000 more a year to run the CPU full power on all PC's. I still belive that is a lot high but then again for 200 PC's you never know.


Well, it all depends. If done right, $5000 seems a little high. If you are only running a project when a computer is idle, then it really isn't a significant amount more of electricity being utilized. The computer is already on and it is still drawing current when idle.

This is assuming an environment such as a lab where the computers are on say 8-10 hours a day. Faculty computers may not be constantly on. If you are running all the computers 24/7, yeah it adds up because they are drawing electricity the other 14-16 hours when they would normally be off. Plus you generally have to run A/C during that time to keep the area cooled down. Depending on the campus and even the building, it may not be possible to cool down JUST the lab.


One thing to point out in this discussion is that people are still mixing up BOINC and SETI. BOINC is just a platform, like Windows. SETI is the application or program that does something. There is a significant number of people on BOINC. The problem is getting more people for >SETI<.

There are at least a dozen BOINC projects out there. Visit http://distributedcomputing.info for a big list of most if not all the BOINC projects. What you see on the BOINC page is only a sampling. There's a lot of competition for CPU cycles out there.

New projects are constantly springing up on the BOINC platform. People fill up the sign-ups for betas for new projects in >hours.< The problem is obviously not BOINC. The problem is getting people to run or back to running SETI, or giving more shares to SETI.

There's been a lot of disillusionment about SETI and a lot of the old SETI folks have left. It's not BOINC. BOINC is a success. It's the way things have been going with the project with a lot of strife amongst different people and groups. The SETI@home people have to say enough is enough. You can stay neutral and yet keep everyone in-line.

A little more jazz for the project might not be a bad idea either. Add more options for the graphics. Try more presentations of the processing. Have a chat with the developers night.

The BBC helped sponsor a climate prediction project that runs concurrently with the original one. You want to talk about long periods of completion, try a year's time! That's what SETI@home needs, someone to help sponsor it. Try one of the corporate TV networks. Make a <xBC or xBS> branded client. xBC presents SETI@home. The viewer goes to their computer, visit's xBC's website, downloads xBC's client, and joins xBC's team. Just like the original SETI@Home, other people see it, goto the website and download it too.

David Anderson wants more people, he gets them for a little trouble on their part to developed a customized client. xBC gets ton of free publicity and traffic through their website.

All Mr. Anderson has to do is put the idea out to all the networks (to be fair) take the first network that replies they want to partner up. If the other networks don't have enough foresight to do it before it becomes a success for xBC, that's not Mr. Anderson's problem they lacked a vision. ;) If he gets more than one response, he can see which one he thinks will be most beneficial to the project.


Nothing ever got solved looking at problems. We know there are problems... perhaps everybody should be looking at the solutions?

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