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Message 4864 - Posted: 12 May 2006, 8:32:48 UTC - in response to Message 4853.  

Has any one got real, not projected times for Very low Angle range units, either here or on Seti.

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Can I ask, how and where do I get that information? I don't have any additional programs installed. Would it be a good idea to get one of those, and in case which?


I use BoincLogX, when the task is crunching opening BoncLogX will display info including the ar. After the unit has finished a right lick on icon and selecting history will display all tasks crunched with most recent at top. Bjoern's home page is at http://www.bjoernhenke.de/index_e.htm.
It also creates csv files with tons of info in them these can be opened in spreadsheet s/ware.

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Message 4866 - Posted: 12 May 2006, 10:29:20 UTC - in response to Message 4822.  

I am sure there will be a full week of "blood letting!" to an extent people have forgotten the orignal 10 times claim and are not happy with the 2-4 times depending on AR and Computer type...

Have you noticed how this are in majority people who have large amounts of credits and a huge RAC? That they try to throw it on the "slow computer" tactic? (Why don't they just say they are a credit whore? ;))

We've been warning for over 6 months that Enhanced would be slower than the current app. Now that Enhanced is here, what's the main complaint?

And then all those that compare an ultra optimized application's credits with those of the standard Enhanced.

Oh well, at least Boinc 5.4.9 is now released. The first complaints are there already, as it's not compatible with Truxoft. So those using that are dumping 5.4.9 to go back to 5.2.13 (:rolleyes:)
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Message 4867 - Posted: 12 May 2006, 12:17:24 UTC - in response to Message 4862.  
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Can I ask, how and where do I get that information? I don't have any additional programs installed. Would it be a good idea to get one of those, and in case which?

For completed results, the angle range is reported in the "stderr out" message on the Result page, the first item in a 'statistics' line, preceding the FFT, Gaussian, pulse, and triplet counts. (For some reason mine are usually repeated several—or even many—times.) For WUs still on your system, open the file with a text editor and look for the "true angle range" tag, maybe thirty lines from the top. I don't know what the 'official' definition of a VLAR is, but if there's a zero immediately after the decimal point (as in "ar=0.054321") it probably qualifies. Values between about 0.3 and 0.6 are typical; VHARs likely start somewhere over 1.0.


Thanks.

So the 5.14 I have right now with <true_angle_range>0.54430418489257</true_angle_range> is pretty normal.

Ok, I'll look for the VHARs now. :-)


BTW, I think I'll give this project a bigger chunk of my cycles. 5 (or 6 with Pirates) projects take their toll. But I love them all.... :-(


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Message 4868 - Posted: 12 May 2006, 12:24:14 UTC - in response to Message 4864.  

Has any one got real, not projected times for Very low Angle range units, either here or on Seti.

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Can I ask, how and where do I get that information? I don't have any additional programs installed. Would it be a good idea to get one of those, and in case which?


I use BoincLogX, when the task is crunching opening BoncLogX will display info including the ar. After the unit has finished a right lick on icon and selecting history will display all tasks crunched with most recent at top. Bjoern's home page is at http://www.bjoernhenke.de/index_e.htm.
It also creates csv files with tons of info in them these can be opened in spreadsheet s/ware.

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Thanks Andy, I'll look into it.

I had the old SetiSpy, but I never managed to get the new one work with BOINC, and I didn't care anyway. I think I have the statistics I want on my result page. But I'll see if this program can offer me anything I want, or else I can just open the file to look. But thanks again. :-)


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Message 4869 - Posted: 12 May 2006, 12:38:16 UTC - in response to Message 4866.  

I am sure there will be a full week of "blood letting!" to an extent people have forgotten the orignal 10 times claim and are not happy with the 2-4 times depending on AR and Computer type...

Have you noticed how this are in majority people who have large amounts of credits and a huge RAC? That they try to throw it on the "slow computer" tactic? (Why don't they just say they are a credit whore? ;))

We've been warning for over 6 months that Enhanced would be slower than the current app. Now that Enhanced is here, what's the main complaint?

And then all those that compare an ultra optimized application's credits with those of the standard Enhanced.

Oh well, at least Boinc 5.4.9 is now released. The first complaints are there already, as it's not compatible with Truxoft. So those using that are dumping 5.4.9 to go back to 5.2.13 (:rolleyes:)


Don't think thats going to do much good, last I saw was we have 3 servers now splitting enhanced work so assume by end next week most of splitters, if not all, will have be doing enhanced and the Trux's client will do nothing.

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Message 4872 - Posted: 12 May 2006, 15:53:42 UTC - in response to Message 4869.  

I am sure there will be a full week of "blood letting!" to an extent people have forgotten the orignal 10 times claim and are not happy with the 2-4 times depending on AR and Computer type...

Have you noticed how this are in majority people who have large amounts of credits and a huge RAC? That they try to throw it on the "slow computer" tactic? (Why don't they just say they are a credit whore? ;))

We've been warning for over 6 months that Enhanced would be slower than the current app. Now that Enhanced is here, what's the main complaint?

And then all those that compare an ultra optimized application's credits with those of the standard Enhanced.

Oh well, at least Boinc 5.4.9 is now released. The first complaints are there already, as it's not compatible with Truxoft. So those using that are dumping 5.4.9 to go back to 5.2.13 (:rolleyes:)


Don't think thats going to do much good, last I saw was we have 3 servers now splitting enhanced work so assume by end next week most of splitters, if not all, will have be doing enhanced and the Trux's client will do nothing.

Andy

Not true. It will still do a lot for einstein. If I did not have trux's client installed I would be dragging the credits down at einstein. Without calibration claim 7 or 8 credits, with calibration 37 - 39 credits and the standard claim should be 42 for long einstein units. So even with calibration I still drag it down a bit. There will be many hoping that trux does a 5.4.x client.

I don't care that much about credits but I do like to see the numbers go up, lol. And since there seems to be so many that get bent out of shape over credits I use the calibration to keep them happy.

I setup BAM on this system the other day using trux's client but CC v5.4.9 is needed I think for full functionality of the account manager software. So in order to use it I am having to decide :
1) Do I install 5.4.9 to get this working and drag down the credits at einstein
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2)Not install for now and hope that trux does a new client. But this option does not look good because there has been no activity at the truxoft site since january I think according to check-in notes.

Not positive on this but some have mentioned crunch3r also makes a calibrating client. If trux doesn't do it maybe crunch3r will update his if he has one. Just was checking crunc3r's site and can't find any mention of calibrating clients so guess some people over at seti main are confused as to who's client they are using.
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Message 4877 - Posted: 12 May 2006, 17:45:46 UTC - in response to Message 4872.  

Not positive on this but some have mentioned crunch3r also makes a calibrating client. If trux doesn't do it maybe crunch3r will update his if he has one. Just was checking crunc3r's site and can't find any mention of calibrating clients so guess some people over at seti main are confused as to who's client they are using.

I believe there's another one from Thierry H., who IIANM is associated with BOINCStudio. Not sure if it's Linux, Windows, or both. The only custom Mac client I know of is SuperBench, which is designed to work with Team MacNN's SETI apps.
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Message 4890 - Posted: 13 May 2006, 0:02:49 UTC - in response to Message 4827.  
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I'm not in any team, so I have little day-to-day contact with Mac crunchers. Maybe we should contact Mac team leaders and have them pass on the call for volunteers?

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You don't have to join BOINC Synergy to register on the team board. There are several regular posters there, who are not members of BS.

Feel free to come and use the facility, if you want to.



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Message 4892 - Posted: 13 May 2006, 0:52:55 UTC - in response to Message 4877.  

Nice avatar of Kai of the series Lexx there, Ody. :)
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Message 4895 - Posted: 13 May 2006, 6:34:27 UTC - in response to Message 4892.  

Nice avatar of Kai of the series Lexx there, Ody. :)

Thanks; I guess I was partly inspired by mmciastro's “Pilot”. (I was also looking for a suitable pic of the Lexx itself, but found this one first.)
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Message 4948 - Posted: 15 May 2006, 22:21:21 UTC
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The PII 400 finally got done... Seti Main
HostID 2377849

AR 0.037549 322435550 77415594 190,923.01 Sec 58.69 CC

AR 0.426109 324945400 78007027 124,661.59 Sec 62.43 CC

4.18's are varying 1,000 secs and average 53,000 sec...

XP 2000
HostID 2345777

AR 0.002380 325702605 78188801 46,157.49 Sec 58.69 CC

AR 0.426101 325131428 78052419 40,565.00 Sec 62.43 CC


AMD 64 3200
HostID 1233083

AR 0.017023 321599025 77217261 25,829 Sec 12,048.80 Sec (tx36) 58.69 CC

AR 0.426499 320276646 76898174 16,900 Sec 9,294.68 Sec (tx36) 62.37 CC

Intel P4 2.0Ghz
Cruncher 5.12
HostID 1065553

AR 0.0335 322575498 77449046 21,399.20 Sec 58.87 CC

AR 0.4359 325469509 77871820 21,531.06 Sec 62.23 CC

Intel P4 2.0Ghz running standard has no VLAR's
HostId 1254464

AR 0.426426 323752859 77723259 36,819.28 Sec 62.39 CC

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Message 5055 - Posted: 19 May 2006, 0:41:48 UTC

Andy, as we agreed on, I've sent the result of the VLAR I had over at Seti main to Pappa. He can forward it to you as soon you want it. :-)


The AR is 0.008011, so I guess it's pretty low. ;-)


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Message 5077 - Posted: 20 May 2006, 6:58:36 UTC - in response to Message 5055.  

Andy, as we agreed on, I've sent the result of the VLAR I had over at Seti main to Pappa. He can forward it to you as soon you want it. :-)
The AR is 0.008011, so I guess it's pretty low. ;-)

I can’t beat that, but I did get a low one in this result from the main project v5.12, on my Celeron/Win 98. It took 42.4 hours to crunch, for 58.7 credits: “ar=0.031933 NumCfft=51177 NumGauss=0 NumPulse=166225343616 NumTriplet=11930737557504”.
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Message 5080 - Posted: 20 May 2006, 8:59:07 UTC
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Thanks for the replies,I think even without doing the analysis that we can say the time to crunch for these VLAR's is Looonnnggg., and the credits are low. Lower even than the more common 0.422 tasks.

Which worries me a little, those that chase the credits can fairly easily see which units are liable to be VLAR from the deadline date e.g. if the deadline is 19 days away it either VLAR or ar=0.5 approx. and they could then abort the VLAR's. As the VLAR's are not that common, it would not affect there download limit.

Conversly at the other end, the VHAR's, seem to be claim/grant more per hour than the most common, and in percentage terms I am seeing more of these than VLAR's.

Guess at the Telescope end to get VLAR's the researcher using it would have to be tracking a particular object (star, Galaxy, whatever) with the Seti receiver following the tracking as it rides piggy back.

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Message 5167 - Posted: 25 May 2006, 7:19:04 UTC

Andy, I have a VHAR over at Seti at the moment, AR = 4.746,

Do you want me to post it here or shall I save the result and send it to Pappa, just as before with the VLAR?




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Message 5168 - Posted: 25 May 2006, 7:49:46 UTC - in response to Message 5167.  

Andy, I have a VHAR over at Seti at the moment, AR = 4.746,

Do you want me to post it here or shall I save the result and send it to Pappa, just as before with the VLAR?




Thanks,
But for VHAR's I seem to have them by the bucket load, over 50 units at AR=3 to AR=12 just on my Pent M alone.

So, unless Pappa can use them, just file and forget.

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Message 5169 - Posted: 25 May 2006, 8:38:21 UTC - in response to Message 5168.  


So, unless Pappa can use them, just file and forget.

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Ok, it has just finished after 2 hours and 10 minutes, so I'll forget it and move on to the next.

Thanks. :-)



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Message 5171 - Posted: 25 May 2006, 9:42:09 UTC - in response to Message 5077.  
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Andy, as we agreed on, I've sent the result of the VLAR I had over at Seti main to Pappa. He can forward it to you as soon you want it. :-)
The AR is 0.008011, so I guess it's pretty low. ;-)

I can’t beat that...

I can! :-)
I just have WU 22fe99aa.14097.10354.903410.3.103 with AR=00700245, have stored it and can send it to Pappa. BTW, seems to be problematic to crunch, as I see vatious hosts' results.

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BTW, thanks for the nice additional "Prev 20 | Next 20" links at the top of each Results' page!!
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Message 5190 - Posted: 25 May 2006, 23:35:59 UTC - in response to Message 5169.  


So, unless Pappa can use them, just file and forget.

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Ok, it has just finished after 2 hours and 10 minutes, so I'll forget it and move on to the next.

Thanks. :-)




But I now have a AR = 0.036 from Seti. I'll post the results here, then you can take them, if you want to. It is scheduled to take about 11 - 12 hours.



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Message 5191 - Posted: 26 May 2006, 0:27:24 UTC

Actually at this point, it may be easier for Eric to setup an SQL Query for Machine ID, AR, CPU Time, Claimed Credit, Granted Credit and Version... Thanks to everyone there are probably enough results that a valid table can be constructed...

I have a couple hundreds, but there is no easy way to sort all the information... It still ends up open a browser go look and cut and paste "something" LOL...

So Yes, we are aware of a an imbalance in the credit granted according to the AR...

I will end posting some later

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