A principled and outspoken Russian diplomat resigns

Boris Bondarev, 41, confirmed his resignation in a letter delivered Monday morning after a diplomatic official passed on his English-language statement to The Associated Press.

“For twenty years of my diplomatic career I have seen different turns of our foreign policy, but never have I been so ashamed of my country as on Feb. 24 of this year,” he wrote, alluding to the date of Russia's invasion.
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“The aggressive war unleashed by Putin against Ukraine, and in fact against the entire Western world, is not only a crime against the Ukrainian people, but also, perhaps, the most serious crime against the people of Russia, with a bold letter Z crossing out all hopes and prospects for a prosperous and free society in our country,” Bondarev wrote, referring to the widespread use of the letter “Z” as a symbol of support for Russia's war in Ukraine.
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“It is intolerable what my government is doing now,” Bondarev told the AP. “As a civil servant, I have to carry a share of responsibility for that. And I don't want to do that.”
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Bondarev said those who conceived the war “want only one thing - to remain in power forever, live in pompous tasteless palaces, sail on yachts comparable in tonnage and cost to the entire Russian Navy, enjoying unlimited power and complete impunity.”
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“In 18 years, he (Lavrov) went from a professional and educated intellectual to a person who constantly broadcasts conflicting statements and threatens the world with nuclear weapons!” he wrote. “Today, the (Russian) Ministry of Foreign Affairs is not about diplomacy. It is all about warmongering, lies and hatred.”

I hope he stays vigilant from this point on...

Russia would not let Space X take over the ISS for obvious reasons. It's life is only up until 2030 anyway.

I think that attacking a nuclear power plant should be the straw that breaks the camel's back as far as direct intervention by NATO or some other coalition is concerned. Such an attack can have serious ramifications for all of europe. This is more proof that a madman is in charge of the second most powerful nation on earth. And just when I thought it was safe to go to bed at night.

NATO can't intervene Bob as it's only a defence alliance for member countries and unless a member country is attacked it has to stay out of it.

What got me to try an impossible burger was an interview with a vegan. She said the impossble burger was so much like meat that it made her gag. That was enough of an endorsement for ne to give it a try.

Bob,

Does that mean you've lost the chance of starting a DeWoodyWich chain or are you still going ahead with it?

Here in Finland, where I live, we have this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porilainen

It'll go away when everyone is fully vaccinated. ;-)

11 days to go until I'm due for my booster and thankfully I can get that done at the local village chemist shop this time which is just a short walk away.

OK, I've now suffered enough range anxiety for January, and probably the rest of the year.....
The leaf took 16 hours to get its 42kW battery charged, and consumed 47kW in doing so. Obviously there are losses in charging any battery so that's not too bad.
Now comes the circular trip, 107 miles of mixed roads and traffic. According to the advertising range that should have been easy-peasy... Set of from home with a theoretical range of 168 miles and travelled the 1 mile to the highway, range has now dropped to 159 miles - a portent of things to come? The first 40 odd miles were fairly clear of traffic and I held a steady 65mph (indicated), at the end of this section the range was down to 100 miles remaining. Now came the twisty back rods bit, and the range fell by about 1.5 miles for every mile covered for the next forty miles - this is going to be tight.... final 20 odd miles, and the range was falling like a brick, ended up at 3 miles left after the 107 mile trip......
Phoned the garage to say they can collect the car as soon as they like. They can't do it until Monday.... Was transferred to the salesman I spoke to when arranging this loan, the conversation went along the lines "When do you want to take delivery Sir?", "Never, or at least until you can get the real world range to over 200 miles" "Oh, it's range is 170 miles" "Like heck, I've just flattened the battery on a fairly typical 100 mile trip" "I'll get the sales manager to phone you back" "Don't waste his time, the Nissan Leaf falls well short of what I need in a car and has dropped off my shopping list" "Why" "I just old you, the real world range is a long way bellow the advertising world range, so I'm not in the least bit interested in in".

Happy New Year to you too Wiggo.
And of course to everyone else here.

My realistic nature though, tells me that 2022 will be as crappy as the last 2, unfortunately.

The pitchforks will come/

SpaceX is sending supplies and photovoltaic panels to the ISS. It has sent two crews to the ISS on the Dragon Spacecraft and will send more, including a crew with Samantha Cristoforetti as ISS Commander. What Jeff Bezos is planning todo is only a show.
Tullio

Oh where do they breed these idiots? :-(

Mostly south of the Mason Dixon line.

Bob I take a cynical view. Social security and medicare are underfunded, It is an established fact that Covid 19 is very lethal for both the elderly and those who have other health concerns. Killing 10% of those people would greatly ameliorate the finance issue with out raising taxes. They want to kill you and me off in order to save money.

White House officials weighing appointing coronavirus czar
https://www.cnn.com/asia/live-news/coronavirus-outbreak-02-26-20-intl-hnk/index.html



Despite public denials today, White House officials have privately weighed appointing a czar to oversee the administration’s response to the growing coronavirus outbreak.

President Trump has privately expressed frustration with his Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar, who has taken the lead on coordinating the response so far, and is blaming him for not keeping him updated enough, sources say.

scroll to second story

I see that Pence has been appointed 'czar'.
In his last health scare when he was governor of Indiana, he turned to prayer, rather than issue clean needles, the recommended method, for an HIV outbreak caused by injection of Opana, an addictive painkiller, with dirty re-used needles. Over 200 died, when the total could have restricted to under 50.
It might have been even less had he not funding of the only Planned Parenthood clinic that did HIV testing in the state.

christian scientist? The USA is F'ed!

A little bit expensive. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-tyne-51620008

It is just a game of pawns to the wealthy ultra right wing. :(

I'd prefer not to know if it's only three, six even 12 months out.. Can you imagine the chaos if we knew...

A planet with six times the mass of Earth need not have six times the surface gravity. That would only be the case if the planet had the same diameter as Earth, which seems improbable. Given a larger diameter, the surface gravity falls off quickly, due to its greater distance from the center of mass. We know the mass of this newly discovered planet, but not its size. Hence, we can not yet know its surface gravity. There are reasonable scenarios where the surface gravity could be only twice that of Earth.

NASA is planning a Gateway space station orbiting the Moon and not the Earth. Astronauts should go from that to the surface of the Moon and return to it before establishing a permanent lunar base, which would certainly need a nuclear reactor as a first step.
Tullio

Just watched a short documentary on curiosity stream regarding fusion. It was reported that ITER "should" be producing better than break even energy by 2030 and follow on machines electricity by 2050 and commercial power before 2100. Still way in the future.

For all I know ITER is only an experimental nuclear fusion reactor that will never give any commercial power.
But there are plans to build other reactors.
DEMO (DEMOnstration Power Station) is a proposed nuclear fusion power station that is intended to build upon the ITER experimental nuclear fusion reactor. The objectives of DEMO are usually understood to lie somewhere between those of ITER and a "first of a kind" commercial station, sometimes referred to as PROTO.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEMOnstration_Power_Station
https://www.iter.org/newsline/-/3245
So any commercial power from fusion is still VERY way in the future...

My opinion is that, in one form or another, the universe has always existed and will always exist. And that there is no way to prove it one way or another. I also think that it is futile to spend one's entire life trying to discover the answer to the question.

I would entirely 100% agree with you. But answer me this.

Why do Universities and other "apparently" scientific institutions employ social dropouts and nerds to research just that???? You wouldn't let your daughter marry one so why pay them money?

You do know that was the star that Carl Sagan selected in his book "Contact"

Yes I was aware of that, but I doubt that was the reason why NASA calculated that Oumuamua originated from the area of Vega.

Contact is a 1985 science fiction novel by American scientist Carl Sagan. It deals with the theme of contact between humanity and a more technologically advanced, extraterrestrial life form. It ranked No. 7 on the 1985 U.S. bestseller list. The novel originated as a screenplay by Sagan and Ann Druyan (whom he later married) in 1979; when development of the film stalled, Sagan decided to convert the stalled film into a novel. The film concept was subsequently revived and eventually released in 1997 as the film Contact starring Jodie Foster.

I doubt anyone can answer that for you Bob!

Wasn't there one time when Mission Control noticed a heat tile damaged and they did a space walk to either check or try to patch it? Maybe I'm just dreaming.

In all cases the cause was technical limitations not human error.

Technical limitations is human error!

The prime error in both cases was external payload.

In case 1, because of external payload there was no escape system.
In case 2, because of external payload the payload was hit on ascent.

You should really read the accident investigation for the second disaster. Concludes than external payloads are inherently too dangerous. That is why after the disaster they would not launch until until a second shuttle was on the pad ready for a rescue mission, exception being to the ISS because the ISS could be used as the rescue holding place. You have forgotten all those hours of self inspection before they dared to return.

Hey, have you ever been to a winery? Have you seen the fermentation tanks? Have you seen one where they are chilling it to control the rate of fermentation? Do you remember the ice coating the tank? That tank is boiling hot compared to liquid oxygen sitting in a rocket tank. You have to insulate the tank or that same ice forms. If there is ice on a rocket tank guess what happens when you go up? Ice falls off and hits the external payload. Insulation does the same. That is why the payload has to be at the top!

If your country wants to build shuttles and kill people, go ahead, the rest of us learned the lesson.

Finally while Hubble was big, you should look up the sizes of some of the NRO birds, and the other space telescopes which launch from Atlas and Delta rockets.

And a very good morning to you Mr Wiggo!

Americans seem to work on the basis of Jewish Tailors as in "Never mind the quality, feel the width". But in terms of size yes, the UK could fit into Texas 3 times, not that it would want to of course. But we have Garden Cities over here

United Kingdom

Garden City, Flintshire, Wales
Garden Suburb, Oldham, Greater Manchester, England
Hampstead Garden Suburb, London, England
Humberstone Garden Suburb, Leicester, England
Letchworth Garden City, Hertfordshire, England, designed by Ebenezer Howard, originator of the Garden City movement
Welwyn Garden City, England, designed by Ebenezer Howard

It is noted that the USA doesn't have any.

------------> Garden City

Then of course we have the world famous Kew Gardens, and The Royal Horticultural Society's garden at Wisley, Surrey. Then we have the Annual RHS Chelsea Flower show with award winning gardens.

Point made young man? :-))

And we are seriously off topic here as well!

https://wtop.com/science/2018/11/dimming-the-sun-the-answer-to-global-warming/

At the time it was only 3. Now it is up to 13 individuals that have commented. As always, some threads take time to take off and arouse interest. The original premise was deliberately open ended to see what interest there was.

My conclusion is that people with medical issues would hope to be cured, and some would only go with their partners.

But we all agree what a fantastic journey it could be.

subspace still has to be proven to exist, no ?

Correct.

subspace
/ˈsʌbspɛɪs/
noun
noun: sub-space

1. Mathematics

A space that is wholly contained in another space, or whose points or elements are all in another space.

2. in science fiction

A hypothetical space–time continuum used for communication at a speed faster than that of light.

The Star Trek universe is of course an imaginary version of the future by scriptwriters for entertainment. But they go to great lengths to make it believable. And who knows, some of it may come true, I don't know and probably neither do you.

But the base fact is unless and until we crack FTL travel & Comms, we ain't going nowhere.

Likely neither, given launch and landing costs going forward. Early moon settlers will probably harvest for materials and recycle them.

Astronomers find evidence of dark matter and dark energy. Physicists search for dark matter particles and find none. It looks like the story of blind men describing an elephant. Maybe a basic question lies behind all this. What is reality? This is a problem of quantum theory that is hotly debated.
Tullio

Physicists search with the electromagnetic spectrum for a particle Astronomers say only has a gravitational spectrum. Am I the only one seeing this might be a problem?

I would hope that if ET has the technology to get here they also have the technology to immunize themselves and us from each other's diseases

Well sci fi films tend to think not. The various disaster movies often involving Martians have the aliens defeated by simple things we take for granted. And even Klaato died in the end after Gort's brief revival. But of course that may have been easier for the production teams to handle than inventing some super atomic weapon.

The archeological evidence is just asking to be found.

It sure reminded me of "Rama" from Clarke's "Rendezvous with Rama" ...

Then again, there have been arguments advanced that a generally humanoid form might exist naturally on other worlds, because our bodily form is a naturally workable design, and is likely to occur elsewhere, too. Even among creatures on Earth which are widely separated on the evolutionary 'bush', we find examples of 'convergent evolution' where similar forms have cropped up repeatedly.

Why should a humanoid form be better than other forms to being intelligent and becoming technologically advanced?
All it takes for an ultimate intelligent being is a smart brain with a smart communication system taking care of the brain.
That is of course extreme but as for humans there are a lot of body forms that maybe are becoming obsolete in the future.
Like legs. Who need them already today?
The same has to be the same for ET.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKAXrmkx12g

Prior to the 20th century nobody dared to question religion for fear of reprisals,

Tullio responded with a good classic example.

Well, Giordano Bruno and Galileo have opposed the Church's doctrine. Bruno was more aggressive, and paid with his life, Galileo was more prudent

Galileo's story Galileo

Galileo's championing of heliocentrism and Copernicanism was controversial during his lifetime (1564-1642), when most subscribed to either geocentrism or the Tychonic system. The matter was investigated by the Roman Inquisition in 1615, which concluded that heliocentrism was "foolish and absurd in philosophy, and formally heretical since it explicitly contradicts in many places the sense of Holy Scripture.

Galileo later defended his views in Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems (1632), which appeared to attack Pope Urban VIII and thus alienated him and the Jesuits, who had both supported Galileo up until this point. He was tried by the Inquisition, found "vehemently suspect of heresy", and forced to recant. He spent the rest of his life under house arrest.

When you realise that no religion on Earth has any basis in provable fact or concrete evidence, and just relies on blind faith, it always seems totally amazing to me that religion has the power that it has. Galileo is an example of the past, but even today, despite the fact that FGM has been illegal in the UK since 2003 , and arranged marriages since 2004, it still goes on because some religions decree it. The authorities are well aware of it, but are reluctant to take a stand because they fear accusations of religious intolerance and persecution.

Right on Chris. As I have posted before--and others as well--the only effect would be the world's religions updating their myths.

Only some, not all by any means.

I can't believe it's been over a decade already! :-( This post of mine from 27th March 2008...

Good Morning Earthlings, I am an undercover E.T. working for my superiors on Sirius A - you know, those 2 stars somewhere in your galaxy.

I've been here long enough to make a detailed report on whether or not we make first contact...........

..........and to be honest, my report will state NO.NO.NO

When asked as to why not? My report will state the following: -

Earthlings cannot work together for a common gaol
They enjoy attacking each other
They hate cultures different from their own
They are power mad
They are greedy
They are untrustworthy
They are too warlike

We should consider sending out a galaxy wide quarantine notice to avoid Earth at all costs!

Once I had a HP handheld calculator that used Reverse Polish Notation.
Tullio

I remember those.
Entering operands and operators is different to what we are used to.
Normaly you enter for example 3 + 4.
Instead you enter + 3 4.
That notation works very well with computers so there are several computer languages based on that.
For instance Forth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forth_(programming_language)

The NASA Icesat-2 satellite has been launched from Vandenberg Air Force base in California. It has reached a polar orbit at 290 miles, which correspond to 466.697 km if they are statute miles. I cannot understand why NASA does not use the SI System. It carries a single instrument, the Atlas laser system which will measure the height of ice fields in Greenland and Antarctica with a precision of a few millimeters.
Tullio

Even if there are earth-like planets, they would need to be at a comparable point of evolution for us to receive any signals. That is, if they are even 100 years less advanced, they would be sending no signals, and if they are even 1000 years more advanced, they might be sending no signals either (or in a form we would not understand).

For that matter, everyone seems to assume that advanced life forms will be zooming around in rocket ships and inhabiting large cities. I think it is at least as likely that advanced life may learn to subsist will less energy and mobility. The reasons you move around are mainly to get materials to support life, or information on where to get such materials. Advanced life will have all the knowledge available in the universe, and know how to live where they are. There probably won't be that much need for communications at a distance.

Hi Clyde. But as I said some posts ago, 1/2 a dozen people having a certain view on a Seti thread, is not representative of world opinion. At present the various countries cannot seem to agree whether to send a "Hi we are here" message. It was NASA and the USA that decided to send the Pioneer plaques.

Indeed.

sub-space

String theory hypothesizes a number of particles. None was found. Dark matter should consist of weakly interacting massive particles.None was found. We are flying blind.
Tullio

i think what you said is important. nothing of those lucrubations has been found so all of these are non sense.
thats my opinion

I just don't think an ETI visit would cause any more harm than we've already been doing to ourselves, and I definitely don't think it's suppressable.

A seemingly more workable solution for a radio telescope on the far side of the Moon would have it just over onto the far side, but still out of sight of the Earth. This would provide the needed shielding from our own radio waves, but greatly simplify the process of getting the signals back to Earth.

By selecting a site that was briefly brought into sight of Earth by the Moon's libration, no cabling, relay satellites, or towers would be needed. The data could be stored, and transmitted to Earth, once a month.

It also seems worth considering, sending a automated, self-deploying radio telescope to that location on the Moon. This would remove the difficulties connected with having astronauts do the work.

We already have a good deal of experience with automatically deploying fairly large radio dishes on Earth- orbiting satellites, and landing automated probes on distant planets. Combining these skill sets should bring a lunar radio telescope within reach.

Musicplayer..No matter what thread you enter, you ruin it!

The Cold Matter experiment brought to the ISS by the Dragon spacecraft has produced a Bose Einstein Condensate of Rubidium atoms for a time much longer than on Earth due to its low temperature and the absence of gravity.Physicists are excited at this new instrument's capabilities. The USA is searching for private investors in the ISS after 2024 to keep it living.
Tullio

I think that we should re-examine why we think that there is so much dark energy and dark matter. Perhaps there are other explanations. Tell me again why we think that the universe expansion is accelerating.

Einstein warned to be very skeptical of things that you cannot see

Why Would the Government Cover Up Aliens?
SETI Institute Senior Astronomer Seth Shostak asks noted skeptic Ben Radford a big question on behalf of a StarTalk fan.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17TP7ppflYM

Amazing Russian Scientist who sits on own hands tells all what where doing wrong, while NASA and others search the cosmos, Russian Scientist Vadim Rybin tells all..

NASA Probe Primed; 20,000 Worlds Await
Bill Retherford - Jul 14, 2018
https://www.forbes.com/sites/billretherford/2018/07/14/for-nasas-tess-the-search-starts-soon/#6b43e1b31315

The robotic spacecraft, launched 12 weeks ago, is now locked into “final science orbit,” says NASA’s Padi Boyd.

So far, all is good. Everything on TESS checks out, including the four cameras.

A spectacular test shot, an image of more than 200,000 stars, is just “a taste of things to come,” says Boyd, the TESS project scientist at the agency’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland.

Soon—perhaps by the end of July—the spacecraft will begin its long-anticipated search for exoplanets.

It was a test launch and needed the weight, rather than concrete he used a car..
Launching satellites that cost millions of dollars a piece on a test flight would have been silly had it exploded or crashed..

The satellite and the rocket can be insured.
There are mini and micro satellites that do not cost millions of dollars. Such satellites perform only one function. It could benefit the US and the World.

Study says it was a a comet after all.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2018/06/27/oumuamua-comet-asteroid-cigar-shape/738636002/

I doubt that a Martian helicopter is necessary for scientific research. It is better to send a drilling rig to Mars instead of a helicopter and drill a surface of 10 meters, which makes more sense, and there is a high probability of scientific discoveries, for example, water in a liquid state or life. What can the helicopter open? Make pictures where the rover can not reach and that's it? There is another sense, instead of the helicopter, to add to the rover the scientific equipment (minilabs).

They have been postponing nuclear fusion for years now, while we have all the right technology to realize it today IMHO. Wendelstein 7x, the Stellarator type, has the perfect technology to accomplish the breakeven energy point, the only drawback is that the device has not been built on the right height. I have been working out an idea of my own (I've sent a lettre to Yuri Milner about it)

http://juliedetavernier.wixsite.com/rozz/single-post/2016/05/05/Some-thoughts-on-Nuclear-Fusion

That sounds crazy, Bob. I can't imagine trying to teach in that environment, not to mention trying to learn. I don't see how kids manage to graduate like that.

And perhaps now you begin to understand why China makes so much of what we consume.

Most hated command on Star Trek "Full Stop" like you are on an ocean on earth.

Scotty used this device:)

But I have thinking.
How did the Apollo missions succeed to stop at our moon?
The escape velocity from Earth is about 40,270 km/h, 25,020 mph.
That is real fast but somehow they landed safely.
Without so much jet propulsion to deaccelerate as far as I know.
Going back to Earth though is much easier.

Don't forget the deceleration at the other end of the journey, so +1g for one year, cruise for ~3.75 year then -1g for one year to get into an orbit around either the planet or a station keeping location for observation purposes.

There was some talk about "micro-g" accelerations to achieve fractional light speeds in a reasonable time, but again the energy required is substantial - one concept to be trialled is the use of solar sails, but that probably wouldn't work in the further reaches of the Solar system, never mind in the long interstellar part of the trip.

You misunderstood my post.

Nothing to do with your post moomin. :)

I watched an episode on tv, and it was all about destroying asteroids.

As I say to the Jehovah Witnesses when they come to the front door, "I'm Jewish". Stops any further discussion and they move on.

I do the same thing - only I insert Catholic. It's true, I was raised Catholic, but there's no wall between that and science(at least for me). My friend, however, gets rather sanctimonious, and the worst part about it, is she said to me, "You want to see your mother again, don't you?" She was referring to my lackadaisical agnosticism, and I found her question very offensive. It implies I'm somehow a less valuable person, or I don't love and miss my mother, just because I don't have a dogmatic religious belief system.

Well fusion is the holly grail .

The UK has one working now..

http://www.getintonuclear.com/single-post/2017/12/15/UKs-latest-nuclear-fusion-reactor-could-supply-the-grid-with-clean-power-by-2030

Must be a slow day to find things American to complain about.

Check the date of the original post Bob and bluestar had replied to it 3 times before hand that I know of, but you know where his posts wind up. ;-)

You need to keep up with things. :-D

Cheers.

Bob, I can see why they would. Unfortunately the man is not qualified. His "learning" has totally destroyed the standing of the United States with other nations. That will take decades to repair. Russia will step in to fill the void. Their game is long term, not short term.

Such claims require proof. Maybe we should wait to see how this presidency pans out before making such claims. I didn't vote for the man but I am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt which is more than most liberals are doing.

Bob how do you feel about this? Does it deserve a chance?

House votes to ease enforcement of Americans with Disabilities Act against companies

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/house-votes-to-ease-enforcement-of-americans-with-disabilities-act-against-companies/article/2649192

Bob, I can see why they would. Unfortunately the man is not qualified. His "learning" has totally destroyed the standing of the United States with other nations. That will take decades to repair. Russia will step in to fill the void. Their game is long term, not short term.

these classes had no lesson plans ready for the substitute (me), plus it was six classes of 6th grade reading.

Did you have a discussion with the kids about what they were assigned to read?

A gigantic asteroid which is larger than the world's tallest building, the Burj Khalifa, will hurtle past our planet in around two weeks time.

The 2002 AJ129 asteroid has been classed a 'potentially hazardous' by Nasa and will fly past at speeds of 67,000mph (107,826kmh).

This makes it nearly 15 times faster than the world's quickest manned aircraft - the hypersonic North American X-15, which travelled at 4,520mph (7,300kmh).

It will pass.

Thank you for the reply but my point was not that the signal was hundreds or thousands of years old but would a society keep sending a signal for over ten years? When we go back to look at it would it still be going on? Just like if we are standing on the side of a road looking at a car go past - if we look away and look back the car has passed us, we can't see it any more. Just a thought.

Chook

In terms of the potential size of a spinning space station maintaining 1g, here's a useful resource

https://www.artificial-gravity.com/sw/SpinCalc/

Just a brief look gives the result of at least 1.1 miles diameter to provide a 1g environment, keeping the rotation to once a minute, so if anyone thinks windows are a good idea on anything smaller, then they are mistaken, people would start to feel physically sick looking outside at current ISS sizing.

Oumuamua came from out of the void of space, yet managed to pass much closer to Earth, than to any other sizable body in our solar system. It had to arrive at just the right time, and from the correct direction, to swing around the Sun and flash by Earth as it departed. Perhaps Oumuamua didn't send us a radio message, but it may still, in a sense, have spoken to us.

the whole world would go into panic. You'd have rioting in the streets, civil unrest, all major religions would collapse, governments would fall etc etc.


And what is this statement based on?
While I agree that there would be a period of adjustment...I really do not think it would be total collapse......and besides if they are close by....then when it is an acceptable time....they will make themselves known...and not through some shaky distant light in the sky shot with a 1960's type recorder...
There will be no mistake....There is no lid big enough...:-)

Possibly Truman, who made tough and mostly correct decisions after WW2.

Diving Korea so that we now face Kim. Interesting choice for best.

I don't see how NASA can ever get any long range planning done with one president saying do it this way, and then another president saying, "oh wait", "no, do it this way".

As far as the latest proclamation, Trump needs to put the money where his mouth is.

I'm surprised the current ISS hasn't had any issues with those, or even orbiting space junk debris.

It is well known that the ISS regularly alters it's orbital height by a few miles up or down to miss orbiting space junk. That is achieved by firing attached spacecraft thrusters, or by using their own thrusters.

I wonder how often they have to do that? They also must have a pretty sophisticated radar system to detect incoming projectiles quickly enough so they can make evasive maneuvers.

Keystone Pipeline leaks 210,000 gallons of oil in South Dakota
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/16/us/keystone-pipeline-leak/index.html

Exxon Valdez 150,000 barrels
http://www.heritage.org/environment/report/the-trans-alaska-pipeline-lessons-the-keystone-xl-pipeline-debate
or
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lac-M%C3%A9gantic_rail_disaster

As long as there are mouths that demand food, the oil is coming out of the ground. If you don't want the oil coming out of the ground then you have to reduce world population.

Finally, at last Gary you have made a statement that I totally agree with. +1

Yes. Let's start to reduce the people in countries that crave the most of OUR planet resources!

Keystone Pipeline leaks 210,000 gallons of oil in South Dakota
http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/16/us/keystone-pipeline-leak/index.html

Exxon Valdez 150,000 barrels
http://www.heritage.org/environment/report/the-trans-alaska-pipeline-lessons-the-keystone-xl-pipeline-debate
or
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lac-M%C3%A9gantic_rail_disaster

As long as there are mouths that demand food, the oil is coming out of the ground. If you don't want the oil coming out of the ground then you have to reduce world population.

If you put a tiny mustache under that nose he'd look just like....

According to "Nature" of December 7, ESA and NASA are planning an international space station orbiting not the Earth but the Moon. Roscosmos is also interested and so are Canada and Japan. It would be called the Deep Space Gateway. But much depends on the new NASA administrator James Bridenstine, nominated by President Trump, who has still to take his office.
Tullio

The US neighbors to the north should be very concerned by threats of Fat Dim Sum to 'Nuke' Washington DC......the ballistic trajectory of that 'Nuke' will cross a lot of Canadian territory en-route (and over some population centers, not just empty forest)........not to mention some Russian towns.


Everybody had better hope the US Anti Missile system works as designed.

Nothing works 100% :(

The main interest lies in that it is the first interstellar object detected from outside our Solar system. But I think we can pretty much rule out probes and spaceships. Be interesting to find out how long its orbit is and therefore when it has visited before and when it might visit again.

I've already heard a call to nuke DPRK after the launch today.

All I have to say is DPRK thanks Mr Rump for making them feel less secure and accelerating their development programs.

Well I hope they, the Trump supporters, "feel" alright when their incomes do not improve or cease altogether, that their taxes increase, that none of these promised jobs appear or are kept in the US, they have no health insurance and living costs increase. Add to that the feeling of paranoia when all foreign countries ignore the US, refuse to support them in any way and go ahead with trade deals among themselves.

They will feel it is Obama"s fault.

As constantly shown by the Never and Always Trumper's in this Subject.

Both sides accuse the other President if the economy goes bad.

Both sides champion their President if the economy is good/expanding.

Throughout history. Has always been, is now, and will always be.

I guess that is an indication of the level of quality of the foods they are eating. Yuk.

Or how sanitary their living conditions are. Many of those parasites are picked up from dirt.

They are now saying that the hyperbolic asteroid is about 30 meters wide by 180 meters long. This is based on the variability in the amount of light it reflects as it spins. That's a remarkably long, thin object, six times longer than its width. The longest, thinest asteroids found to reside in our solar system have less than half of that length to width ratio.

http://dailycaller.com/2017/11/16/doctors-found-parasites-theyd-never-seen-before-inside-the-north-korean-soldier-that-bolted-at-the-dmz/

Doctors Found Parasites They’d Never Seen Before Inside The North Korean Soldier Who Bolted At The DMZ

One issue in particular was the presence of several large parasites, the longest of which was 10.5 inches, in the man’s intestines. The parasites complicated the surgery to remove the bullets from the man’s abdomen, the Chosun Ilbo reports.

“An incredible amount of parasites was found in the stomach of the soldier from the JSA, so we are having trouble treating him,” Lee told reporters. “We’ve never seen anything like it in a Korean person before, and it can bring about tremendous complications and make a prognosis difficult.” The worms were reportedly all inside the man’s small intestine as well.

“We discovered parasites that are simply not found in people in this country,” he explained, “I haven’t seen them in my 20 years as a doctor except in textbooks.”

Apparently there is limited access inside them with tickets only.

I would like to revisit this 100 years from now and see how much of this has proven to be utter nonsense.

Bob, LIGO has proven this to be fact, spacetime is real and time dilation is real as demonstrated by GPS among many examples.
I f empirical evidence isn't good enough for you I'm sorry.

Doesn't matter which ideology is controlling a country. The Rich and Ruling Class of that country will employ any means to protect its wealth and power.

+1

If Nibiru is nearly close to Earth why wouldn't visible in the sky?

The trajectory of the object does look similar to a sling shot around the sun to give it some oomph on it's journey. But if it was a spaceship, then they would be able to detect life on earth and would likely have stopped and had a look, so I plump for a large asteroid or comet looking at the ellipse path printed so far wouldn't some sort of extrapolation give the far end of its path before returning again?

If only they had listened to Douglas MacArthur 67 years ago, when the US was the ONLY country with working nuclear weapons none of this would be happening today.

Incorrect.

While American experts had predicted that the Soviet Union would not have nuclear weapons until the mid-1950s, the first Soviet bomb was detonated on August 29, 1949, shocking the entire world.

If you respond that the US/UN threatens DPRK lives, that is "in response" to the 40000 artillery pointed at and threatening US and So Korean lives for 64 years.

Who will trust whom.......................first?

When that armistice was signed did either side lower any guns? If not, same can be said from the DPRK side.
If you say we could be trusted, remember Chosin was a bit far North of Pyongyang so it isn't like we didn't show them we didn't want them to survive, in fact we stated at the time they were to be one under Seoul, as a puppet of the USA. They have long memories.

Only way is for there to be a peace treaty, and/or a surrender. ROK and DPRK can likely work out an amicable peace treaty between themselves*. USA will have to surrender, like Vietnam, and withdraw. Then Korea will be for the Koreans, not China, Russia or the USA. There is no other exit strategy that will not involve massive bloodshed.


*they are sending each other's fishing boats back across the border already.

The title of this thread is "Science (Non-Seti)
You post seems to have a quite strong religious theme, and I wonder if it would not be better posted in a non Science thread?

•North Korea warns its 'hand is on the trigger' and is prepared to launch 'a salvo of missiles' at US territory Guam•

North Korea has threatened to send a 'salvo of missiles' at Guam

Pyongyang said it is even more 'determined that the US be tamed with fire'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4976550/North-Korea-warns-hand-trigger-attack-Guam.html#ixzz4vOCOZQY7

OK. First we have to send a Space Station in orbit around the Moon. Then it would launch exploratory missions on the Moon surface to hunt for ice. If found, a nuclear reactor should be sent on the Moon surface to provide electricity and get water and oxygen from that ice. From this, a build up stage could start. Nuclear power is essential.
Tullio

US Vicepresident Mike Pence, who chairs the National Space Council, said at NASA that US should continue sending astronauts in low Earth orbits and to the Moon, with the purpose of establishing a manned base there. He made no mention of a manned mission to Mars.
Tullio

No it does not.

Let me postulate the following:

When a person on the street, who has previously murdered many.

What action has Kim taken against the USA? Words do not count.

It's the resources thing that matters. The US destroyed the Soviet economy by spending so much GDP on weaponry(made possible by a Capitalist system) that made it impossible for the Soviets to match without starving the populace(a result of the Socialist system) and starting another Revolution(which 'kinda happened' anyway).

Except in the DPRK that revolution, when Kim's dad starved them, didn't happen and they now have a thriving advanced economy totally dedicated to destroying the bully USA.