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1) Message boards : Cafe SETI : TLPTPW #219: US Open Women's Finals! (Message 1565922)
Posted 17 days ago by Sten-Arne
Late Monday win!
2) Message boards : Cafe SETI : TLPTPW #219: US Open Women's Finals! (Message 1565896)
Posted 17 days ago by Sten-Arne
What win? Win where? :-)
3) Message boards : Cafe SETI : TLPTPW #219: US Open Women's Finals! (Message 1564851)
Posted 20 days ago by Sten-Arne

There are 16 circles hidden in that picture, amongst the squares and rectangles.
4) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Weather Forecasts V (Message 1564772)
Posted 20 days ago by Sten-Arne
Weather yeah...

All I can say is that from this point on, it's going down down down, all the way until at least March/April 2015.

Darker colder, snow, ice, winter tires, engine heater, clothes clothes clothes, and more clothes :-)

YUCK!
5) Message boards : Politics : The racial teachings of Rudolf Steiner. Founder of Anthroposophy and Waldorf education (Message 1564768)
Posted 20 days ago by Sten-Arne
Sten Arne
Have you seen 'Hundraåringen som klev ut genom fönstret och försvann'
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2113681/
Very funny movie and the book for that matter.
In one episode, he undergoes a race biological survey when he was young.
He had apparently negro appearance (Robert Gustavsson) and violent behavior.
So the doctor decides to neuter him as a precaution.

If you want to kill me, you'd better hurry, because I'm 100 years old.


I've read the book, but not seen the movie. The book is very good, with lots of humour in it too.
6) Message boards : Politics : The racial teachings of Rudolf Steiner. Founder of Anthroposophy and Waldorf education (Message 1564762)
Posted 20 days ago by Sten-Arne
So can you provide me proof, that he actually said 'white' people are the Übermensch?


The “race” which Steiner described in positive terms was – not surprisingly – the white one. When listing the different “races”, he described how they were inflicted by “hardening” of different organs. The list ended with those people who “did not become hardened at all”. They were found in “those areas that comprise of today’s Europe and Asia.” 18

18.Welt, Erde und Mensch, p. 6:17

Elsewhere, he stated that “the most mature characteristica are found in the European area. It is simply (a natural) law.” 19

19.Die Mission einzelner Volksseelen, p. 4:9.


There you go



Nothing in that text says or infers that Steiner did not see the white race as superior, or Übermensch, on the contrary:

"The “race” which Steiner described in positive terms was – not surprisingly – the white one"

“the most mature characteristica are found in the European area. It is simply (a natural) law.” (White race)

If you can interpret that text as him not seeing the white race as superior, then I don't know how you interpret things.



Ok, now I see I misinterpreted your post. Probably the antibiotics, anyway, I completely disagree with you, by all means. I'll start a positive thread on Steiner one of these days, without all the BS of incognizent critics!


So you're going to do the cult thing, and stop critical posts in your thead. Well, I'm sure that will work fine, especially when people can compare to this thread where I haven't tried once to stop anyone form posting positive things about Steiner. The only posts I have asked to be hidden, where a couple of totally off topic ones.

But by all means, don't learn from the "Scientology" experience, where they tried to stop critics from telling their side, and ended up in really deep trouble. (meaning losing lots of their supporters)


And the lesson for tonight (for me): Don't let anyone tell you different, thank you mum, and friends:)


By all means, don't learn through life. Be static and unchangeable.
Now I'm going to collect more "dirt" on Steiner for future references. (That, or maybe sleep)


By all means:) I'll be here to refute that dirt, goodnight.



Goodnight Julie :-)
7) Message boards : Politics : The racial teachings of Rudolf Steiner. Founder of Anthroposophy and Waldorf education (Message 1564756)
Posted 20 days ago by Sten-Arne
So can you provide me proof, that he actually said 'white' people are the Übermensch?


The “race” which Steiner described in positive terms was – not surprisingly – the white one. When listing the different “races”, he described how they were inflicted by “hardening” of different organs. The list ended with those people who “did not become hardened at all”. They were found in “those areas that comprise of today’s Europe and Asia.” 18

18.Welt, Erde und Mensch, p. 6:17

Elsewhere, he stated that “the most mature characteristica are found in the European area. It is simply (a natural) law.” 19

19.Die Mission einzelner Volksseelen, p. 4:9.


There you go



Nothing in that text says or infers that Steiner did not see the white race as superior, or Übermensch, on the contrary:

"The “race” which Steiner described in positive terms was – not surprisingly – the white one"

“the most mature characteristica are found in the European area. It is simply (a natural) law.” (White race)

If you can interpret that text as him not seeing the white race as superior, then I don't know how you interpret things.



Ok, now I see I misinterpreted your post. Probably the antibiotics, anyway, I completely disagree with you, by all means. I'll start a positive thread on Steiner one of these days, without all the BS of incognizent critics!


So you're going to do the cult thing, and stop critical posts in your thead. Well, I'm sure that will work fine, especially when people can compare to this thread where I haven't tried once to stop anyone form posting positive things about Steiner. The only posts I have asked to be hidden, where a couple of totally off topic ones.

But by all means, don't learn from the "Scientology" experience, where they tried to stop critics from telling their side, and ended up in really deep trouble. (meaning losing lots of their supporters)


And the lesson for tonight (for me): Don't let anyone tell you different, thank you mum, and friends:)


By all means, don't learn through life. Be static and unchangeable.
Now I'm going to collect more "dirt" on Steiner for future references. (That, or maybe sleep)
8) Message boards : Politics : The racial teachings of Rudolf Steiner. Founder of Anthroposophy and Waldorf education (Message 1564749)
Posted 20 days ago by Sten-Arne
If those concerned with Steiner Waldorf education read nothing else, they should read Peter Staudenmaier’s article “Anthroposophy and Ecofascism”.
It is a compelling account of Anthroposophy’s history; essential reading, too important to ignore.

In Sweden, Anthroposophical Society has its center in Järna and Ytterjärna south of Södertälje not far from Stockholm.
Actually my girlfriend has been there. She doesnt remember much from the visit but one thing.
That mind and body are linked to each other.
I dont think you have to be a doctor to figure that out.
Sten Arne
Please dont be so elaborate.
Too much to read in this forum as it is.

Heh, I can take a pause. There's enough racist material from Steiner to last me a lifetime. Steiner was a really really bad man.
I'll be back as Arnold said. :-)

Maybe Steiner was not bad man after all perhaps ignorant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YEG9DgRHhA


But but, the supporters call him a wise man. Can a wise man really be that ignorant without losing his title as a "Wise Man"? :-)
9) Message boards : Politics : The racial teachings of Rudolf Steiner. Founder of Anthroposophy and Waldorf education (Message 1564747)
Posted 20 days ago by Sten-Arne
So can you provide me proof, that he actually said 'white' people are the Übermensch?


The “race” which Steiner described in positive terms was – not surprisingly – the white one. When listing the different “races”, he described how they were inflicted by “hardening” of different organs. The list ended with those people who “did not become hardened at all”. They were found in “those areas that comprise of today’s Europe and Asia.” 18

18.Welt, Erde und Mensch, p. 6:17

Elsewhere, he stated that “the most mature characteristica are found in the European area. It is simply (a natural) law.” 19

19.Die Mission einzelner Volksseelen, p. 4:9.


There you go



Nothing in that text says or infers that Steiner did not see the white race as superior, or Übermensch, on the contrary:

"The “race” which Steiner described in positive terms was – not surprisingly – the white one"

“the most mature characteristica are found in the European area. It is simply (a natural) law.” (White race)

If you can interpret that text as him not seeing the white race as superior, then I don't know how you interpret things.



Ok, now I see I misinterpreted your post. Probably the antibiotics, anyway, I completely disagree with you, by all means. I'll start a positive thread on Steiner one of these days, without all the BS of incognizent critics!


So you're going to do the cult thing, and stop critical posts in your thead. Well, I'm sure that will work fine, especially when people can compare to this thread where I haven't tried once to stop anyone from posting positive things about Steiner. The only posts I have asked to be hidden, where a couple of totally off topic ones.

But by all means, don't learn from the "Scientology" experience, where they tried to stop critics from telling their side, and ended up in really deep trouble. (meaning losing lots of their supporters)

BTW: The spelling of that word is "incognizant", and it means "Lacking knowledge or awareness". Well well, I think it might actually refer more to the supporters of Steiner and not to the critics of him. The supporters are "incognizant" of the dark sides of Rudolf Steiner.
10) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Mysterious Miscellaneous Tool Time V4 (Message 1564737)
Posted 20 days ago by Sten-Arne
It's a Lithotome. Used to remove bladder stones.


Your a winner :-)


Thank you, but I invoke the new rule "that a winner, if they do not run the next stage declines and the game is open to any one who wants to play."

Anyone is free to post the new picture.
11) Message boards : Politics : The racial teachings of Rudolf Steiner. Founder of Anthroposophy and Waldorf education (Message 1564726)
Posted 20 days ago by Sten-Arne
So can you provide me proof, that he actually said 'white' people are the Übermensch?


The “race” which Steiner described in positive terms was – not surprisingly – the white one. When listing the different “races”, he described how they were inflicted by “hardening” of different organs. The list ended with those people who “did not become hardened at all”. They were found in “those areas that comprise of today’s Europe and Asia.” 18

18.Welt, Erde und Mensch, p. 6:17

Elsewhere, he stated that “the most mature characteristica are found in the European area. It is simply (a natural) law.” 19

19.Die Mission einzelner Volksseelen, p. 4:9.


There you go



Nothing in that text says or infers that Steiner did not see the white race as superior, or Übermensch, on the contrary:

"The “race” which Steiner described in positive terms was – not surprisingly – the white one"

“the most mature characteristica are found in the European area. It is simply (a natural) law.” (White race)

If you can interpret that text as him not seeing the white race as superior, then I don't know how you interpret things.
12) Message boards : Politics : The racial teachings of Rudolf Steiner. Founder of Anthroposophy and Waldorf education (Message 1564717)
Posted 20 days ago by Sten-Arne
Rudolf Steiner did make a large number of “discriminatory” quotations, but more importantly, he based a whole philosophy on a racist idea, i.e. that the human races are “evolving” through the different races, thus founding a whole philosophy on racist beliefs. He believed that humans evolve through “reincarnation”, starting at the bottom, (ie being black) and then reincarnating until they are “white”.

There’s strong evidence that Steiner schools promote ideas about reincarnation in their schools.



Some posts ago, you said he didn't consider 'white' people as Übermensch, strange...


No I didn't. Where did you get that from? Please don't resort to lies in your defence of Steiner.
13) Message boards : Politics : The racial teachings of Rudolf Steiner. Founder of Anthroposophy and Waldorf education (Message 1564714)
Posted 20 days ago by Sten-Arne
If those concerned with Steiner Waldorf education read nothing else, they should read Peter Staudenmaier’s article “Anthroposophy and Ecofascism”.
It is a compelling account of Anthroposophy’s history; essential reading, too important to ignore.

In Sweden, Anthroposophical Society has its center in Järna and Ytterjärna south of Södertälje not far from Stockholm.
Actually my girlfriend has been there. She doesnt remember much from the visit but one thing.
That mind and body are linked to each other.
I dont think you have to be a doctor to figure that out.

Sten Arne
Please dont be so elaborate.
Too much to read in this forum as it is.


Heh, I can take a pause. There's enough racist material from Steiner to last me a lifetime. Steiner was a really really bad man.

I'll be back as Arnold said. :-)
14) Message boards : Politics : The racial teachings of Rudolf Steiner. Founder of Anthroposophy and Waldorf education (Message 1564711)
Posted 20 days ago by Sten-Arne
Rudolf Steiner did make a large number of “discriminatory” quotations, but more importantly, he based a whole philosophy on a racist idea, i.e. that the human races are “evolving” through the different races, thus founding a whole philosophy on racist beliefs. He believed that humans evolve through “reincarnation”, starting at the bottom, (ie being black) and then reincarnating until they are “white”.

There’s strong evidence that Steiner schools promote ideas about reincarnation in their schools.
15) Message boards : Politics : The racial teachings of Rudolf Steiner. Founder of Anthroposophy and Waldorf education (Message 1564706)
Posted 20 days ago by Sten-Arne
Fair Use Excerpt from: STEINER’S RACISM, The Evil Within
by Roger Rawlings

Rudolf Steiner made many statements that must be deemed racist. Yet he also made a number of statements that deplore racism. How can we sort this out?

One point to bear in mind is that racists often make statements that conceal or belie their real, racist beliefs. Knowing that overt racism is often considered objectionable, they often avoid overt professions of their racist attitudes and ideas. Only when they are among friends, or when they lose control, do they typically state their real views.

A test (not infallible, surely, but generally reliable) is to note whether an individual ever makes racist statements. A racist may make any number of wise, liberal, enlightened statements, but every once in a while s/he will say something that is clearly racist. An individual who is free of racist beliefs will almost never — intentionally or otherwise — make a racist remark.

It is also important to understand what racism is. Usually, people equate racism with racial hatred, and indeed racists very often hate the members of "inferior" races. But racism is not, at root, an emotion, it is an idea. Specifically, it is the idea that some races really are "inferior" and other races really are superior. In other words, it is the idea that some races are higher than others. And this is precisely what we find in Steiner's doctrines. To repeat a quotation we considered above: “A race or nation stands so much the higher, the more perfectly its members express the pure, ideal human type ... The evolution of man through the incarnations in ever higher national and racial forms is thus a process of liberation [leading to] an ideal future.” — Rudolf Steiner, KNOWLEDGE OF THE HIGHER WORLDS AND ITS ATTAINMENT (Anthroposophic Press, 1944), p. 149.

Perhaps Rudolf Steiner hated few if any human beings of any racial or national group. Perhaps Anthroposophists today hate few if any human beings of any kind. But this does not keep them from being racists. No matter how well they treat the members of "inferior" races, if they believe that in fact some races are "inferior" or "lower," then they subscribe to a racist ideology — the racist ideology that Rudolf Steiner taught them.
16) Message boards : Politics : The racial teachings of Rudolf Steiner. Founder of Anthroposophy and Waldorf education (Message 1564701)
Posted 20 days ago by Sten-Arne
Really worth reading: STEINER’S RACISM The Evil Within

STEINER’S RACISM
The Evil Within
by Roger Rawlings
Afterword by Peter Staudenmaier
Appendix by Maura Kwaten

Short teaser:

Rudolf Steiner’s doctrines are infested with racial prejudice. I got my first inklings of this during my senior year at a Waldorf school.

One morning in a biology course, our headmaster laid out for us the overarching structure of the family of man. He explained that the various races stood at different levels of moral development — each was forging its own destiny. He said these things sympathetically, with no hint of condescension. Yet his words were jarring. The Oriental races, he said, are ancient, wise, but vitiated. The African races are youthful, unformed, childlike, he said. Standing near the center of humanity’s family are the currently most advanced races, the whites, he said. [2]

I also remember a lesson our class received in a related subject: botany. The teacher drew figures-of-eight on the blackboard and lectured us about "lemniscates": the mystic interaction of the "telluric" and "etheric" forces, which is the basic structure of nature, she said. During one day's main lesson, she veered off topic to warn us never to receive blood transfusions from members of other races. All of us in the class were white. Blacks and Orientals have blood types that are physically different from ours, our teacher informed us: Receiving such inferior blood would diminish our Aryan qualities. The moral once again seemed to be that for Anthroposophists racial identity has great significance. [3]

Here is one of Rudolf Steiner’s statements about the differences between various human races: “On one side we find the black race, which is earthly at most. If it moves to the West, it becomes extinct. We also have the yellow race, which is in the middle between earth and the cosmos. If it moves to the East, it becomes brown, attaches itself too much to the cosmos, and becomes extinct. The white race is the future, the race that is spiritually creative.” [4]
17) Message boards : Politics : The racial teachings of Rudolf Steiner. Founder of Anthroposophy and Waldorf education (Message 1564687)
Posted 20 days ago by Sten-Arne
If those concerned with Steiner Waldorf education read nothing else, they should read Peter Staudenmaier’s article “Anthroposophy and Ecofascism”.

It is a compelling account of Anthroposophy’s history; essential reading, too important to ignore.

Steiner Waldorf education, far from being progressive or democratic, is dogmatic, autocratic and anti-intellectual. The persuasive lobby for state funded Steiner schools in my opinion misrepresents Anthroposophy, there are no exceptional applications. It is this lack of honesty that causes most concern. Steiner schools have failed a particular responsibility to their clients, not shared by Church of England or Catholic schools, to explain at the beginning what is for most parents an unfamiliar world-view.

Most seriously, mindful of Steiner’s dogma of karma and the reincarnation of the human soul through the races: If genuine equalities impact assessments were conducted on these schools, in my view it is inconceivable that the implications for children from black and ethnic minorities, and those with learning difficulties, would permit the funding of Steiner education.
18) Message boards : Politics : The racial teachings of Rudolf Steiner. Founder of Anthroposophy and Waldorf education (Message 1564677)
Posted 20 days ago by Sten-Arne
Racial and Ethnic Evolution in Rudolf Steiner's Anthroposophy
19) Message boards : Politics : The racial teachings of Rudolf Steiner. Founder of Anthroposophy and Waldorf education (Message 1564671)
Posted 20 days ago by Sten-Arne
Staudenmaier is a historian, not primarily a critic of Steiner Waldorf education. But a knowledge of the history of the anthroposophical movement is essential if we are to make any sense of the difficulties the schools face today:


“I would be pleased if my research provided an opportunity for Waldorf admirers to ponder this contentious history and take its lessons seriously. What is worrisome about the Waldorf movement’s continued failure to address anthroposophy’s racial legacy is not that Waldorf schools in the twenty-first century will start churning out little Hitler youths; what is worrisome is that Waldorf advocates and sympathizers may unknowingly help prepare the ideological groundwork for another unforeseen shift in the broader cultural terrain, in which notions of racial and ethnic superiority and inferiority could once again take on a spiritual significance that lends itself all too easily to practical implementation in a changed social and political context. For this reason among others, I strongly encourage those involved in Waldorf endeavors to take another look at the history of their movement and the doctrines at its core.”
20) Message boards : Politics : The racial teachings of Rudolf Steiner. Founder of Anthroposophy and Waldorf education (Message 1564666)
Posted 20 days ago by Sten-Arne
Steiner and race: the path toward the universal human

One of the most authoritative writers about Anthroposophy in English is American historian Peter Staudenmaier. His recent PhD in modern history, written at Cornell, concerns Anthroposophy in Germany and Italy from 1900 to 1945. A fluent German speaker, Staudenmaier had access to Steiner’s untranslated work as well as to original archive material. He stresses that Steiner’s prolific output can be internally contradictory, enabling supporters to claim that anthroposophical race doctrine is incidental or misunderstood. But nevertheless, there’s a dominant and explicable theme, owing much to Steiner’s occult interpretation of German nationalism. Steiner’s attitude to Jewishness is an example of insular preoccupations:


“The nature of Steiner’s hostility to Jewishness was thus both ordinary and anomalous; it incorporated the common misconceptions of the era and simultaneously transcended these within the peculiar framework of “occult science”. It was not so much hatred or fear of Jews that animated Steiner’s mature antisemitism, but ignorance of contemporary Jewish life, of modern Jewish culture and history, as well as a myopic commitment to German spiritual superiority. What Steiner did know about Judaism, moreover, was generally refracted through a Christian and Germanocentric lens.” Peter Staudenmaier ‘Rudolf Steiner and the Jewish Question’ Leo Baeck Inst.


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