Posts by Robert Waite

1) Message boards : Politics : Coronavirus, Ebola and Infectious diseases, Food & Drugs, Studies, Recalls #6 (Message 2050425)
Posted 27 May 2020 by Profile Robert Waite
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Back to the core subject of the thread....
https://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-cases-georgia-florida-continue-153633256.html
Coronavirus Cases in Georgia, Florida Continue to Decline Despite Business Openings

.....the canary seems to have survived the trip into the coal mine......so far...


Posted May 14 by Old Yellow.
Today is May 26 and on the news this evening were doctors from both Georgia and Florida describing
how the Intensive Care beds are full.
2) Message boards : Politics : China, Hong Kong, Taiwan and The World (Message 2050072)
Posted 22 May 2020 by Profile Robert Waite
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Pot, meet Kettle.
Kettle, say hello to Pot.
3) Message boards : Politics : The Donald Trump Thread (IV) (Message 2049431)
Posted 16 May 2020 by Profile Robert Waite
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But why are the lying Democrat politician's. With their year's long Russian Collusion Hoax Lies and Impeachment sick process. Ignored and/or excused by their supporter's?
.


I tend to believe that once that useless Bump is removed from power, there will be court proceedings where his minions will be put under oath and questioned in great detail.
All that talk of hoaxes and fake everything will be exhumed and examined. That's when we'll learn the truth.
4) Message boards : Politics : Coronavirus, Ebola and Infectious diseases, Food & Drugs, Studies, Recalls #6 (Message 2048864)
Posted 11 May 2020 by Profile Robert Waite
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Canada for many years had a law that in order for a brewery to sell beer in each province they had to brew it in that province.

Seems to me that China, Turkey and other 'Global' manufacturing centers have taught the world a very good lesson...........

.....namely if you want to insure the quality of products needed locally they should be made locally........

Goodbye to 'The New World Order' and hello to 'Keep It At Home'.....which includes goods, jobs, wages and tax revenue.

Family First, Community Second, then worry about the price kumquats in Rangoon.

Hopefully, the 'The New World Order', which does sound suspiciously like something Adolf and Ioseb Besarionis dze Jughashvili wished for, is coming to an end.


You know, if you hang around this world long enough, you get to see some things.
Like globalization efforts. From the 1970's until the present, it was the right wing that supported the corporate strategy of moving production to the third world.
Now righties are suddenly sounding like organized labour fighting against the globalists.
All I can do is laugh at them.
They're like a f@rt in a windstorm, going wherever the wind takes them.
5) Message boards : Politics : The Donald Trump Thread (IV) (Message 2041812)
Posted 31 Mar 2020 by Profile Robert Waite
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Alrighty, let's try this again.

LOL
. Whatever.
I still want my line about trump and his 1974 daytime drinker haircut in here.

Okay?
6) Message boards : Politics : The Donald Trump Thread (IV) (Message 2040240)
Posted 25 Mar 2020 by Profile Robert Waite
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There is a vast Center that is neither Left nor Right.

Sorry, another confirmation regarding the Left's and Right's similar belief's about those not THEM.


Irony is boundless.
You're slaying me, "Liberal".
7) Message boards : Politics : The Donald Trump Thread (IV) (Message 2040198)
Posted 24 Mar 2020 by Profile Robert Waite
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Unfortunately,:

#1 - To the Never-Trump Press and Social Media. Facts are "inconvenient" to their Always Hate Trump beliefs.

#2 - To the Always-Trump Press and Social Media. Facts are "inconvenient" to their Always Love Trump beliefs.


Once again, everyone, absolutely everyone else, is wrong.
America, save yourself. Elect the self described "Liberal" to lead you to a bright and shining future. He alone knows the way.
8) Message boards : Politics : The Donald Trump Thread (IV) (Message 2027505)
Posted 12 Jan 2020 by Profile Robert Waite
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Enjoy the possible future of China and Russia controlling all outside the America's.


You'll have no one to thank but your pampered wealthy elites and the corporate pigs they control.
9) Message boards : Politics : The Donald Trump Thread (IV) (Message 2026380)
Posted 5 Jan 2020 by Profile Robert Waite
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Raspberry noise
10) Message boards : Politics : The Donald Trump Thread (IV) (Message 2026377)
Posted 5 Jan 2020 by Profile Robert Waite
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The United States, founded in 1776, has been at war for 214 out of 235 years of existence.
Yet, Americans cannot understand why so many in the world have a hate-on for y'all.

You keep repeating that America fights for it's freedom but of those 214 years of warfare,
how many times were you fighting an invading force?
Keep your bulbous nose out of the rest of the world.
11) Message boards : Politics : The Donald Trump Thread (IV) (Message 2021774)
Posted 5 Dec 2019 by Profile Robert Waite
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Question #1) Do you believe the US House of Representatives will vote to impeach President Donald Trump?
Question #2) Do you believe the US Senate will convict President Donald Trump of 'High Crimes and Misdemeanors'?
Question #3) Do you believe the expense of time and taxpayer funds have benefited the Citizens of the United States of America?

#1 Yes
#2 No
#3 Yes
12) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 2020011)
Posted 22 Nov 2019 by Profile Robert Waite
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#1 - It is the Democrat's, who control our House of Representatives, that started and have control over these hearings. It then correctly understood, by those who understand how our Federal Government operates, to be a Democrat Party hearing.
And what's the problem with having a hearing? Should there be no hearings?

I didn't say that.

I just corrected a poster who doesn't understand how our House of Representatives and their political party's really operate.

The Democrats voted for this Hearing. The Republicans voted against this Hearing. The Democrat Chairmen, Schiff, repeatedly stops Republican questions. But the Republican's don't have the authority to stop Democrat questions.

Therefore, describing this Hearing as a Democrat Hearing is correct.


Schiff is simply running his committee the same way repiglicans ran their committees.
The rules they are working under were put in place by the crying repiglicans.

As for Hunter Biden being on the board of a Ukrainian company while lacking any and all experience for said position,
there's a term for such abuse, it's called crony capitalism and it's practiced by the pampered wealthy elites the world over.
You won't find the adult off springs of repiglican house or executive or judicial members working the graveyard shift at the McDonald's
drive through either.

I too, vote for merit based hiring in all cases.
13) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 2016616)
Posted 25 Oct 2019 by Profile Robert Waite
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After what he was put through in confirmation......
This is going to be SO delicious........."best served cold".


Really? You rightists have dropped all pretence of an independent judiciary and appear gleeful at the prospect
of this (accused) sexual abuser and admitted heavy drinker taking personal revenge against those he feels wronged his good name.
Is that the system of justice conservatives now seek?
Don't you dare make squeaking noises if the next Democratic President just adds a couple of justices to the court for no other
reason than because she or he can.
14) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 2015916)
Posted 19 Oct 2019 by Profile Robert Waite
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Someone posted earlier that Trump is not a good Politician.................good.

Definition of Politician:

Politician n.
A person who smiles to your face while slipping a knife into your back.

With Trump, you know exactly where you stand.



Tell that to the Kurds
15) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 2015674)
Posted 17 Oct 2019 by Profile Robert Waite
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BEST EVER and GREATEST 'cause SUPERTrump has EXPOSED U.S.A./WORLD POLs; CORPORATISTs; ALL HUMANs, fO WAT THEY ARE.

A mO WONDERFUL THANG could NEVER HAVE HAPPENED, WITHOUT His LEADERSHIP.

I LOVE KNOWING dA ENEMIEs; NOT ENEMIEs; and ALL IN-BETWEENs

RUBEWorld MUCH OBLIGED and THANKFUL

ORANGe YAPe


Well, he's most certainly exposed his followers for what they are.
16) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 2008144)
Posted 18 Aug 2019 by Profile Robert Waite
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Well, thank you for the Freudian admission that you recognize the source of fake news.
17) Message boards : Politics : Another example of USA Gun Laws (or lack of...)? (Message 2006058)
Posted 6 Aug 2019 by Profile Robert Waite
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But that's not what's written.
18) Message boards : Politics : Another example of USA Gun Laws (or lack of...)? (Message 2006048)
Posted 6 Aug 2019 by Profile Robert Waite
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It ' means ' what is written and it doesn't ' mean ' what is not written.
Easy.


I eagerly await your response to the following...

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
19) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 2005087)
Posted 31 Jul 2019 by Profile Robert Waite
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Definitely a case of "Trump Derangement Syndrome" there.


"Yes, they are both the same and have always and will always destroyed the people if they gain power."

Along with a trumpist ability to misuse the English language.
20) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 2004279)
Posted 25 Jul 2019 by Profile Robert Waite
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Just ask Nicaragua how well saying no to the US went for them.
21) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 2003068)
Posted 17 Jul 2019 by Profile Robert Waite
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GREATEST BEST LEADER of ALL TIME. YEP!!!!!

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2019/07/17/nolte-gop-support-for-trump-rises-after-tweets-aimed-at-democrat-squad

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE DAWG EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!

RUBEWorld YEEEEEEEEEEEEE HAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW ing Like a mO fO

SWEETNESS of ORANGe YAPe


So, it's a big YeeDawgeeeeee for racism.
I can only assume that you were shipped from the factory with faulty wiring.
22) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 2001041)
Posted 4 Jul 2019 by Profile Robert Waite
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Today it's Fourth of July.
Trump. Please don't mess that up.
Why a military parade? Tanks on the streets?
That's Putin style.
........Can you say 'France'?


When your country is invaded twice, as was France in the last century, you can parade your weapons as a way to try and deter a third attempted invasion.

Beside that, when did rightists in the US start to care about what France does?
Anyone remember "Freedom Fries"?
23) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy Birthday Eric (Message 2001039)
Posted 4 Jul 2019 by Profile Robert Waite
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Congratulations on another successful spin around the fireball at the center of our solar system.
24) Message boards : Cafe SETI : It's Angela's birthday! (Message 1995232)
Posted 25 May 2019 by Profile Robert Waite
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Happy Birthday, Angela.
I hope Eric spoiled you with fine wines and chocolates from exotic places.
xxx ooo
25) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1993315)
Posted 10 May 2019 by Profile Robert Waite
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May cause Rump leakage too.



LOL
26) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1992912)
Posted 7 May 2019 by Profile Robert Waite
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Individual #1 watched his lawyer enter prison today.
I suspect Individual #1 is experiencing some anal leakage this evening.
27) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1992033)
Posted 30 Apr 2019 by Profile Robert Waite
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If, maybe, possibly or perhaps not. I'm totally sure I'm correct. If any disagree with me please tell me so I can inform you how wrong you are.

What will happen to Trump and what will happen in the 2020 election are, as of this posting, just possibilities.

To those in the Media and elsewhere, who believe they can tell other's the political future of Trump, Biden, et al and the results of next years 2020 election with 100% certainty.

We do, of course, dismiss their silly and adolescent type of certainty.


"To those in the Media and elsewhere, who believe they can tell other's the political future of Trump, Biden, et al and the results of next years 2020 election with 100% certainty."


Just curious.

Please indicate which media source has claimed 100% certainty regarding the 2020 elections?
I'll wait.
28) Message boards : Politics : How is agent Orange leaving? 25th Amendment? Handcuffs? Both? (Message 1989950)
Posted 13 Apr 2019 by Profile Robert Waite
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How is he leaving?
One way would be when the heat builds to unendurable levels, he could quietly load the whole Gump clan
into a plane and resurface in Moscow as an international fugitive under the protection of Putin.
Just sayin'.
29) Message boards : Politics : Venezuela's economic crisis was caused by US sanctions. US wants control over the largest oil reserves in the Americas. (Message 1986034)
Posted 19 Mar 2019 by Profile Robert Waite
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Hey, professor. The word is enemies.
That's two things wrong with your post.
The first being the post itself.
30) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1984822)
Posted 12 Mar 2019 by Profile Robert Waite
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Didn't think that one through, eh?
31) Message boards : Politics : Venezuela's economic crisis was caused by US sanctions. US wants control over the largest oil reserves in the Americas. (Message 1984625)
Posted 11 Mar 2019 by Profile Robert Waite
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The turmoil in Venezuela is really a class war brought on by the wealthy in an attempt to privatize the energy industry.
The wealthy are supported by outsiders wishing to cash in on the privatization.

I've been watching CBC television news as they interview "so called" citizen journalists about the troubles and it's very interesting
to take a look at the furnishings and decorations behind these "journalists" telling us how bad Maduro is.
These are not the homes of working class or poor citizens, these are the homes and possessions of the well off and very comfortable.


Take the so called political insights these actors offer with a grain of salt. What they offer is the perspectives of the well to do and the fortunate few.
32) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1981868)
Posted 23 Feb 2019 by Profile Robert Waite
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Clyde, that's all hogwash.
The bottom line is you set standards for others that you yourself cannot live up to.
33) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1981760)
Posted 22 Feb 2019 by Profile Robert Waite
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.......Hmmmmm........Mueller must be running out of things to do so they've cooked up another one.........wonder who'll be found wearing the 'blackface'?

Gotta love the Dims........

Dear JE...

If the final Mueller Report is just a 'Nothing Burger'.

The Democrat Party and their Useful Fools will continue in their attempt to nullify the results of a legally elected President.



"Useful Fools"?

This comes from the man accusing all others of name calling.
Sad.

I expected more from a self professed liberal.
34) Message boards : Politics : Amazon (in New York) (Message 1980813)
Posted 17 Feb 2019 by Profile Robert Waite
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Amazon pulling out of New York is not a loss for the area.
The corporate leech pays nothing into the local economy by way of property taxes or income taxes.
They pay nothing toward supporting hospitals, education, policing or fire protection.
They do not contribute to building and maintaining roads.
They are users. They are parasites. They are a blight and a pox on working people.
35) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1980752)
Posted 16 Feb 2019 by Profile Robert Waite
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Only in the eyes of liver failure guy is a Hollywood actor with toy guns a scary thing.

A good example of the expression Same Planet; Different Worlds.
36) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1980584)
Posted 15 Feb 2019 by Profile Robert Waite
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So, you two are calling this good governance?
37) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1980193)
Posted 14 Feb 2019 by Profile Robert Waite
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A federal judge has ruled that Manafort colluded with Russians.
What are the chances that members of the Rump crime family secretly flee to Russia in the near future?

Lovin' every minute of it.
38) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1979216)
Posted 8 Feb 2019 by Profile Robert Waite
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Soooooo...........the Dim Governor of Virginia is being vilified for allegedly wearing 'black face' in a College yearbook photo, and must resign.

Soooooo..........the Dim Lt. Governor of Virginia is accused of sexual assault and calls for his resignation precludes him from replacing the Governor.

Soooooo.........the Dim Attorney General of Virginia is also believe to have worn 'black face' in College and should disqualify himself from succession.

Soooooo........the next successor in line is the Virginia Speaker of the House..................a Republican..................I love it when a plan comes together.



The Democrats remove racists and predators from their midst, while the Republicans double down to protect those lifeforms.

Are you really coming here to brag about that? You do nothing to disolve the belief that repubs are nothing but a collection of opportunists with grand senses of entitlement.
That's a sad commentary on your chosen political party and positions.
39) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1978043)
Posted 1 Feb 2019 by Profile Robert Waite
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BIG BIG BIG DON Making His Speech, Holds Up PEACEPRIZE Medal to WorldWide Audience and Says: IRAN, You're Next.

Tho Likely, After SUPERTrumpS LEADERSHIP straightens out Venezuela His SUPPORT of REVOLUTIONaries in IRAN(UNLIKE NO SUPPORT O'BLABBY) will TOPPLE dA Regime. So He'lll be ACCEPTING dA PEACEPrize fO His SUPPORT Toppling IRANs Regime also

MAN O LIVE Do'in Wat O'BLABBY aka dA SPEECHIFIER COULD NOT.

FUTURE LOOKS GOoD, REAL GOoD fo

PEACE in

RUBEWORLD

OH OH OH OH OH So ORANGE YAPe



My gawd, some people are foolish.

(Overseers... this is a general statement and should not be conscrewed as a personal attack)
40) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1977376)
Posted 27 Jan 2019 by Profile Robert Waite
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Neither Majority Rule, or Mob Rule if you wish. Can abridge the Individual Rights of 49%, 40%, 25%, 10% or even one individual.

The belief that we can and should. Has been used most effectively to destroy a minority that the majority hates and wishes to destroy.

Let us not again travel down that Road of Hate again.



Please, someone check my temperature, I think something is wrong in my head and my soul.

I stand with Clyde regarding these three sentences in quotes. There, I said it, but I don't feel better about the situation.
41) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1976827)
Posted 25 Jan 2019 by Profile Robert Waite
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Dear Sirius B,

I am neither a Never Trumper nor an Always Trumper.

Who, as we see constantly in Social Media. Will never understand the difference between opinions, uncorroborated accusations, etc. and facts.

Sincerely, Clyde "Liberal"



If, after 2 years of this nonsense, you still cannot pick a side, may I suggest you seek professional help.
42) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1974439)
Posted 10 Jan 2019 by Profile Robert Waite
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Trump wants his wall, but is there any evidence that it is needed? Even Trump, today, made the admission, that the numbers trying to enter, without the required paperwork, are down, further undermining his perceived requirement.
All the numbers he quotes are lies or taken out of context, and that is backed up by government departments and sometimes by his own cabinet.

So isn't it logical for the Dems to object to wasting your tax money on a wall that is not required and has little chance of been completed while he is in office, even if he gets a second term. There are dozens of eminent domain cases still outstanding from George W's 2007 fence building exercise. Building a wall of concrete or steel is a lot different to a fence, it will require a road, concrete mixing facilities etc before it is actually built.
Will there be any gates in it for use by property owners whose land has been divided?
A environmental impact assessment needs to be conducted, "what happens to the run-off when there is a storm". And it will have to include monitoring equipment and presumably manned bases for any reaction force and repair and maintenance.

If I was a member of the Dems, I would insist on detailed plans to be submitted long before allocation of significant funding. And I bet the detailed plans haven't even been started yet.

So in your words the Dems are not "stomping their feet, yelling and finally pouting"., the only one throwing a tantrum is the orange one.


All excellent points that seem to have slipped past some in here.
Call me a +1
43) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1973317)
Posted 4 Jan 2019 by Profile Robert Waite
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Historical correction to the first sentence. The Berlin Wall was built to stop people from leaving a Communist Country. As if a Central American Government built a wall to stop their people from leaving.



Leaving

Arriving


Just simple semantics which depend upon which side of the wall you happen to be at any given moment.
44) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1972095)
Posted 27 Dec 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
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President MISSING bone spurs.

Why doesn't this surprise?

Possible true or possibly just ones family 'history' and statements said to children.

Any medical evidence or other peoples personal knowledge regarding Trump's bone spurs?



For the record, one's and people's are the correct form, self proclaimed professor. DER
45) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1971599)
Posted 23 Dec 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
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PS: Merry Christmas
Drink Crown Royal if you're boycotting US products.
46) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1971594)
Posted 23 Dec 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
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dA SWEETNESS. OH dA SWEETNESS

https://www.dailycaller.com/2018/12/20/border-wall-gofundme-millions

GUNNAgetErDONE GO GO GO FUNdatWALL GO GO GO!!!

APEWorld GOin' BIG BIG BIG DON

OneWAY orAnother

orangORANGE YAPe


GO GO GO

How much have you contributed?
Never mind, we already know.
47) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1968751)
Posted 5 Dec 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
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Hey, Planet Yawn.
Did you enjoy the news today?
Looks like Flynn pulled such a Luciano Pavarotti that he may have sung his way to no prison time.
AnD daT's deE NamE oH dat TUnE. LOL
48) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Breakthrough - Listen. (Message 1966794)
Posted 23 Nov 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
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Remain calm at all times and don't allow the mud wrestlers to drag you into their vortexes of nonsense.
Cheers to you, Fredrik.
49) Message boards : Politics : U.S. voting (Message 1965548)
Posted 16 Nov 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
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Hi Wiggo,

Just another confirmation of what people who believe in people and economy destroying Socialism believe.

The millions of people, some at risk to their lives, attempting to flee similar Ruling Class Systems you support may disagree.


Where are the hordes of Nordic refugees fleeing Scandinavian socialist states hiding?
CNN hasn't found the refugee camps anywhere and not one boat load has shown up on our shores.
You need to rethink your position.
50) Message boards : Cafe SETI : "I hate that" finish the sentence.... (Message 1965226)
Posted 14 Nov 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
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I hate that I had to give up beer because of frequent gout attacks.
I going to ask my Dr. for the daily gout pills.
51) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1964905)
Posted 13 Nov 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
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Yeah, I feel a sigh coming on.
52) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1964858)
Posted 12 Nov 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
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Dear Robert Waite,

Your disagreement and personal attack against a poster exposing those that support or excuse violence and intimidation against those they disagree with and their family's.

Is very interesting and very informative.

Sincerely, Clyde


We've reached the point where asking a question has become a personal attack.
You lose.
53) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1964681)
Posted 11 Nov 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
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Just the same old hysterical political posturing vomited from both sides :(



Really?

Just how do you describe what you do in here?
54) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1964450)
Posted 10 Nov 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Yeah, he's a real man among men.
55) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1963204)
Posted 3 Nov 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Unfortunately, the show will go on. Contempt for any outside the swamp. Sadly, the US is not the only ones broadcasting that show. :-(

Malicious accusations for Political Power by both sides Political Leadership is believed by many of their followers. This is a real problem and Social Media has apparently divided much of humanity into an Us vs. Them mentality.

The ability to discuss political and social disagreements without personal and malicious attacks has apparently eroded.



I think you'll find that social media didn't start the division and the us verses them mentality.

No, that would have been Newt Gingrich.
56) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1961383)
Posted 21 Oct 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Then, it would be my hope that both would stand together before the press and us to condemn all mobs.



You know why you have mobs?
Your country is ph^kd up.
Normal circumstances never produce mobs, which by the way, became quite prominent with Tea Baggers a few years ago.

Rightists didn't seem to mind mobs when it was goofy tea baggers doing the yelling.
Quit making squeak noises.
57) Message boards : Politics : Kavanaugh (Message 1959282)
Posted 8 Oct 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Dear Clyde
Your inability to stay on a single topic is troublesome to many.
This began with my response to a line you posted.... here it is.... are you ready?.....

this is copied directly from your own post.... no one else is responsible for these words..... it's all you.


"We have never, excepting Alcohol Probation, reduced any Individual Rights because of the Passions of the Day."


I simply pointed out that you forgot about the poor souls doing hard time for having a plant in their pocket.

Do not use this response to start assuming how I interpret US law or the US constitution.
My opinion of how your constitution will be interpreted matters not a whit, also you have that a$$hat Kavanaugh on the job now and he will be the decider.
58) Message boards : Politics : Kavanaugh (Message 1959128)
Posted 7 Oct 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Correct. We have included more and more regarding Individual Rights.

We have never, excepting Alcohol Probation, reduced any Individual Rights because of the Passions of the Day.

These Rights, enumerated in 1789, are fundamental to our liberty. They are neither 'old' nor obsolete.



Tell this nonsense to the untold numbers of federal prisoners doing time for possession of weed.
59) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1955918)
Posted 17 Sep 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
There is no Putin/Trump collusion and future historians will be shaking their heads in amazement that so much time and treasure was wasted on such a stupid premise just to salve the butt hurt of the supporters of a failed Presidential candidate who obviously lost on HER OWN MERIT!

Yes Hill=Liar-y "Stupidity IS it's own reward".


Still clinging to that "Hillary is the liar" line, are you?
Well, we'll all know the truth soon enough.
60) Message boards : Politics : Kneeling for what? (Message 1952261)
Posted 26 Aug 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Sorry Mr. Socialist. I do not believe in placing individuals into certain 'tribes' and then giving them negative and positive attributes.

As both the Radical Right and Radical Left have a need to.
You already have & always do, so WHAT tribes are left in your book that can make matters right?


Agree or disagree, the question remains valid.
I would very much like to hear your solution, Clyde.
Where is the sweet spot in politics?
61) Message boards : Politics : Kneeling for what? (Message 1950861)
Posted 20 Aug 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Many americans are proud to be ignorate:)



Some revel in it.
62) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1948500)
Posted 8 Aug 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


We can only attempt to make sure that evil doesn't have a Governmental or Social System where it can grow and flourish.



Isn't that what all the arguing is about?
63) Message boards : Politics : Major Kong (Message 1947807)
Posted 4 Aug 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Major Kong's last post was July 26, in the John McCain--Russian spy thread.

His message was short...……. " Interesting argument, Vadim."


That's why I was inquiring.
64) Message boards : Politics : Major Kong (Message 1947619)
Posted 2 Aug 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
MK
The news has gone from rock bottom, to your casual first post back, with no news of your life threatening condition.

We're all concerned but trying to respect your privacy at the same time.
65) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1947329)
Posted 1 Aug 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
An interesting Conundrum...........

Why, with no evidence at all, are all 'those leaning Left' convinced Trump is guilty of something, while at the same time, with all the evidence in the world, remain convinced that Hil-Liar-y is innocent?

........a possible answer is TDS.


WOW, same planet, different worlds.

Here is a short list of what he’s gotten away with:
Trump’s casino bankruptcies, which left investors holding the bag while he skedaddled with their money
Trump’s habit of refusing to pay contractors who had done work for him, many of whom are struggling small businesses
Trump University, which includes not only the people who got scammed and the Florida investigation, but also a similar story from Texas where the investigation into Trump U was quashed.
The Trump Institute, another get-rich-quick scheme in which Trump allowed a couple of grifters to use his name to bilk people out of their money
The Trump Network, a multi-level marketing venture (a.k.a. pyramid scheme) that involved customers mailing in a urine sample which would be analyzed to produce for them a specially formulated package of multivitamins
Trump Model Management, which reportedly had foreign models lie to customs officials and work in the U.S. illegally, and kept them in squalid conditions while they earned almost nothing for the work they did
Trump’s employment of foreign guest workers at his resorts, which involves a claim that he can’t find Americans to do the work
Trump’s use of hundreds of undocumented workers from Poland in the 1980s, who were paid a pittance for their illegal work
Trump’s history of being charged with housing discrimination
Trump’s connections to Russian mob and American Mafia figures involved in New York construction
The time Trump paid the Federal Trade Commission $750,000 over charges that he violated anti-trust laws when trying to take over a rival casino company
Paid for his executives to make illegal secret forays into Communist Cuba and hid the expenditures from the American government.
Trump has used his charitable Foundation to pay fines leveled against him.
Said Buffett declared an $873 million loss. This proved to be a blatant lie exposed when Buffett released his tax returns. He also donated $2.85 million to charity while Trump has a history of donating almost none.
As The New Yorker, ProPublica and the public radio station WNYC reported yesterday, longtime Trump lawyer Marc Kasowitz donated more than $50,000 to a Manhattan district attorney who later dropped a case against Ivanka Trump and Donald Trump Jr.
The presidency is benefiting Trump’s business in numerous ways. Government officials have stayed in hotels that bear Trump’s name, for example, while Trump’s Mar-a-Lago club doubled its membership rates after he won the White House.
Eric Trump has been giving his father quarterly updates on the financial health of his businesses, despite promises that the president would have no involvement. Those businesses have also done deals with foreign governments, despite the president’s pledge that they wouldn’t.
Trump has spent more than $30 million of taxpayer money traveling to properties he owns, by one estimate.
Ryan Zinke, Trump’s secretary of the interior, is under investigation for chartering a $12,000 flight from Las Vegas to Montana at taxpayers’ expense.
David Shulkin, the secretary of Veterans Affairs, charged taxpayers for a trip to Europe that included stopovers at Wimbledon and Westminster Abbey, plus a river cruise for him and his wife.
Scott Pruitt, who runs the Environmental Protection Agency, regularly dines with donors and lobbyists from industries his department is regulating. He also used public money to pay for a soundproof booth in his office and chartered private and military overseas flights.
Steve Mnuchin, the Treasury secretary, tried to use a government plane to fly him to Europe for his honeymoon. He may also have availed himself of a taxpayer-funded military plane to view the solar eclipse in August, though he says the trip had a different purpose.
Tom Price, the former secretary of health and human services who resigned last week, spent hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars on private planes. Trump hired Price despite Price’s history of using his position in Congress to receive sweetheart stock deals.
Jared Kushner has reportedly used his closeness with Trump to secure foreign investment in Kushner’s family-owned business, in exchange for granting visas.
A Chinese government office approved trademarks for a company owned by Ivanka Trump on the same day that China’s president met with President Trump.
Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chairman, may have used his position to repay a Russian oligarch.
Michael Flynn lobbied on behalf of the Turkish government, but Trump selected him as national security adviser anyway (before later ousting him).Trump’s marriage to Melania took place on 22 January 2005. The affair allegedly took place in 2006. Leaks from the White House has her furious with Trump.


Meanwhile, Hillary Clinton faced her political enemies for over two years of investigation and hearings, only to come through the other end facing ZERO charges.


JE, you and your kind are a dying breed. Human evolution has passed you by.
Rage at the heavens all you want, but you and your kind will be gone soon enough.
66) Message boards : Politics : What will trigger WWIII? (Message 1946049)
Posted 23 Jul 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The war will result from a 4am, all caps, poop tweet.
67) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1945699)
Posted 21 Jul 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


HEIL!!! APEman

ORANG ORANGE YAPe



Meat stick is getting ever more careless.

Allowing Nazi sympathies to slip into the conversation.
68) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1943982)
Posted 13 Jul 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Still talking out of your backside there Clyde. ;-)

But what would 1 expect from a privileged far right mighty whitey hey?

And you are in spades boy.

Hi Mr. Socialist, who believes in people destroying Socialism.

You inane belief that IE: Being against a Hitler type. Means you are for a Stalin Type.

Or that a persons race, be it Black or other race, is a negative.

Is why I do not inhabit the foul smelling sewer of those who believe as you.

Enjoying you exposing your real beliefs :)



OCD is treatable these days, you know. Your posts are seeming to come from a template which must be adhered to.
How many gawd dmmed times can you type the same phrases?

Also, lay off the strawman style of debate. It's embarrassing to all involved, including yourself.
69) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1943962)
Posted 12 Jul 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Fried Clyde
Your spelling and punctuation are substandard to even my expectations of a self proclaimed professor.
Your writing meets the level of consistency one would expect of a Plump Rump supporter.
70) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1943917)
Posted 12 Jul 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
And I see we're back to Neanderthal sounds as useful discussion....

Rhetorical Quiz......

1 What's wrong with this picture?

2 What's wrong with the President of the United States fixing it?



If every member who did not contribute at least half of the required 2% GDP, were asked to leave, it would be extremely embarrassing for the Headquarters Host country.....who should already be embarrassed by the difference to the contribution of financially troubled Greece....



What's wrong with this picture?

After studying the graph carefully, I can answer with confidence that I see one nation that is obviously more frightened of the rest of the world than all others.

It's leader is presently roaming the world screaming "Join us in fear, or else."
71) Message boards : Cafe SETI : congestive heart failure - signs - symptoms - treatments and disscussion. (Message 1943911)
Posted 12 Jul 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
As one of the true gentlemen to be found on these pages, you will be missed.

May your journey into eternity be comfortable and maybe even a little exciting, if that's possible.

Respect to you, fellow Canuck.
72) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1943797)
Posted 12 Jul 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Everything I see shows a Democratic wipeout of the Repiglicans in November.
You rightists are delusional with the nonsense you are spouting..... you too, self proclaimed centrist that denigrates anything politically left of Attila the Hun.
You're all going down with your fascist wanna-be leader.
Time for the lunatic fringe to scurry back under their rocks.
73) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1939912)
Posted 17 Jun 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Calling SUPERTrump VOTERs/SUPPORTERs All DEM NASTY NAMES and Describing DEM in Such VILE Words and Terms.

I Would Suggest to ELITEs and ALL HATERs of SUPERTrump and His VOTERs/Supporters to RESTRAIN Their VILE NATUREs.

We dA WEEE Peoples aka DEPLORABLEs can GO APE on YA.

REAL APE ALL dA Time

dA REAL VOTEs of REAL APEs. So Much mO than a WAVE.

ORANG ORANGE Yap



Have you suffered a brain injury?
74) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1938533)
Posted 7 Jun 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
(insert raspberry noise here)
75) Message boards : Politics : 44 GOING TO JAIL CONmutiny DESTRUCTIONizer to Have Teachable 'Moments' fO a 'CAPTIVE' Audience (Message 1938532)
Posted 7 Jun 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Therefore, despite Robert Waite's posts to deflect from the ridiculous belief, disguised as a question, that Trump is going to jail.

Clyde, deflect Robert may be doing but he is doing it with the truth.

Nope. Just personal and silly attacks. Not to the question if Trump is going to jail.

BTW: Robert, as some others, just confirm that any attempt to discuss the issues without personal attacks, is very difficult.


Sorry to burst your conspiracy bubble, but the couple of posts before mine showed up while I was typing mine.
There was no mention of jail time in the discussion when I started typing.

As for that lifeform spending time in the can, I highly doubt it.
Your country has a habit of letting the corporate pigs and the very wealthy get away with their crimes.

Should he go to prison? The Mueller investigation will make their findings known soon enough.
Personally, I'd throw him in the can for what his administration has done to the EPA alone.
76) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1938521)
Posted 7 Jun 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Nope.
Not buying a word.
77) Message boards : Politics : 44 GOING TO JAIL CONmutiny DESTRUCTIONizer to Have Teachable 'Moments' fO a 'CAPTIVE' Audience (Message 1938519)
Posted 7 Jun 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Although it's very easy to thoughtlessly post quotes such as, oh, I don't know... well, how about
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." it becomes
an albatross around the neck of the poster as those following the thread see that person
as a supporter of the corporate fascists dwelling in the house of the American people.

When one quotes such words, but remains oblivious to historical connections easily
made by others with a simple cursory view of the subject at hand, which could apply
to obvious links between the present day and events in Europe during the 1930's, one's
credibility falls into the abyss.
Let us know when you reach bottom.
78) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1938502)
Posted 6 Jun 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Votes, not protests, matter within the USA.

Really?

Mexico 1968 Summer Olympics

moomin... 'The Reaction' was to that and other Left Wing protests in 1968 was...
Nixon Won!
See.
Protests do matters:)


Add when the Democratic Party moved more to The Left in 1972. AKA McGovern.

Nixon won again and Watergate did not add to the American Voter Anti Left 'Reaction'.

Watergate was not the reason for McGovern's massive defeat. But... Nixon was still (fill-in the negatives).

BTW: After Nixon left office I had coffee with him one morning. We only discussed local New York City sports and local politics. Since I consider a persons eyes to be the gateway to their soul. I was very troubled by what I saw in his eyes.


LOL
You're the Forrest Gump of the SETI forums.
No one else claims such access to people and events as you.

What was the Woody Allen movie where his character obliviously turned up at every news event of social and political importance?
Both movies depict the life claimed by our Jack of all Trades and friend to world leaders, Importantman Clyde.
We've got a real contender here, folks.
Hey, Fried Clyde, could you please post your resume before you hit the red X over this post?
79) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1937607)
Posted 29 May 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Are you really the kind of person that wants the EPA made toothless, that wants public education degraded, national parks opened for industrial use and children torn from their mother's arms to the extent that 1,500 are missing from the system?
This is what you hired this snot guzzler to do to your country?

Finally! you begin to understand.............

HAPPY Memorial Day.


That must be the saddest response to anything I've ever posted.
Looking to do these things to your OWN country is inexcusable. I feel sorry for your children and grand children.
Good luck in the failed state you shamelessly advocate to live in.
I won't waste anymore of my time trying to reason with you after seeing what you call winning.
80) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1937541)
Posted 28 May 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Are you really the kind of person that wants the EPA made toothless, that wants public education degraded, national parks opened for industrial use and children torn from their mother's arms to the extent that 1,500 are missing from the system?
This is what you hired this snot guzzler to do to your country?
81) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1937498)
Posted 28 May 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I tried. I really tried to watch draft dodging, deferment taking President Bone Spur speak from Arlington.
I had to turn it off before I spewed all over my living room.
It's sickening to witness that chicken hawk coward sucking at the teet of honour, courage and valour after he spat on those values as a spoiled punk draft eligible young man.
82) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1937479)
Posted 28 May 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Whatever
83) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1937475)
Posted 28 May 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


MYGA........CHEERS!............[yawn]


Mueller will have the final say on whether that happens.
Unlike Fatface's White House, there are no leaks coming from the investigation, so we wait.
84) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1935584)
Posted 14 May 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Still drinking alone I see Eye. :-D

Cheers.

LOL


Me too.
That was hilarious.
85) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1930396)
Posted 16 Apr 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
What is the crime that Trump committed?
Campaign Finance laws.

Trump specifically. What crime?


None of us are privy to the information being gathered by Mueller.
Those who know what Mueller has aren't talking and those who are talking don't know what he has.

When the dust settles is the time we'll all know if Rump committed any high crimes or misdemeanors.
Having stated this, I tend to believe many pro Rumpers are going to be eating their words, clamming up and crying in their beers.
86) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1930001)
Posted 14 Apr 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


And I don't suppose anyone bothered to check the facts as I suggested that are presented at https://lyincomey.com/ ...of course not, that would invalidate their sick, hating view of the actual truth.



Alllllllrighty then, let's try this again.

What possible perspective should one expect to find at a site named lyincomey?
The content is revealed in the name, yet someone who won't put their real name to anything they post seems to offer it up as a fact filled romp.

Anonymous one. What will you do when the entire weight of justice comes crashing down on the Rump Whitehouse?
What will all of the extremist right wing fringe members do?

They will do as they always have done. They will hurl a few insults, sputter at the percieved injustice and change their username to carry on spitting venom.
87) Message boards : Cafe SETI : i've had a heart attack (Message 1928900)
Posted 8 Apr 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Best wishes for a speedy recovery.
We don't need to remind you of the incredible advances medicine has made in recent years, so do your best to relax and put your trust in science.
88) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1921426)
Posted 26 Feb 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Any comments on Rump's claim that he would have run headlong into an active shooter situation even if he were unarmed?
To show my support, I'd hold the door open for him so as not to slow down his big move.

In a further show of support, I would even push him into the building if I thought he wasn't running fast enough.
Just trying to be helpful.
89) Message boards : Politics : Bitcoin and other crypt-currency stuff (Message 1915500)
Posted 27 Jan 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:




If all the Oil, Diamonds and Gold are nationalized, that means they are in Maduro's pocket, and are only as good as his word..................



Right on, brother.
Everyone with half a brain knows that those resources belong in the pockets of the Koch brothers and their ilk.
90) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1915499)
Posted 27 Jan 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Trump is correctly laughing, and laughing, and laughing at them.

.


The last laugh will come courtesy of Robert Mueller.
I predict trumpy tears and bone shaking shock, in the near future, for the trumpheads.
Snicker while you can.
91) Message boards : Politics : Today the Doomsday Clock was set again. (Message 1915229)
Posted 26 Jan 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
DOOMsDayClock Belongs in dA TRASHCan, along wif dA ManMadeClimateChangeSHAT.

I LOVE dA BOMB and dA CLIMATE.

I Also LOVE dA Yap


You really are quite insane.
92) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1912027)
Posted 10 Jan 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
This airbag really is from Russia.
How else could he have a posting date of Jan 10 while North America is still Jan 9?
EDIT
Nope... I guess it's a glitch in the system, because I'm showing Jan 10 on my post too. Oh well.
93) Message boards : Politics : Greatest Best Leader of ALL TIME Yep Dat BeeeZZZ Big BIg BIG Hands Golden Haired Long Black Coat Wearin; WINNING ALWAYS Prez #45 45ers Gots His Back. You, Not So Much.......Yap (Message 1910698)
Posted 4 Jan 2018 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I tuned in to witness the Republican infighting and all I witness is avoidance.
C'mon, who's side are you on?
Who does Faux stand by, Trump or Bannon?
If Bannon shoots the wheels off the Trump train, is Breitbart looking to change horses?
If the reports of Trump's attention span are true, should he be trusted?

C'mon you guys, I know you all love to argue minutia. Let's get it on.
94) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Christmas... it's complicated (Message 1909109)
Posted 26 Dec 2017 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'm just late by hours, so I'm feeling it's still okay to wish Angela and Eric a very Merry Christmas.
Cheers from the great white north.
95) Message boards : Politics : 45 LOVERS and 45 NON-LOVERS Thread.....DREE THEIR WEIRDs (Message 1904762)
Posted 4 Dec 2017 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Witch Witch Which Witchy DIMMERs will FALL DOWN like dA KKKLOWNs dey are
Ooooooooooooh Ooooooooooooooooooooh Which Witchy DIMMERs
See How HIGH they've Flown and How faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar dey DROPppppp
Oooooooooooooooooooooooooh Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooohhh
Which Witchy Witchy DIMMERs
Outed Today and ToooooooooooooooooooooMmmmmmOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooh oh
Bye Bye Witchy DIMMERs
dA SKY is FALLING on You and IT WON'T STOP
Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh EEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeWWWWWWWwwwwww
Witchy DIMMERs
How HIGH You Did Fly and How LOW
You Forever GO
Bye Byyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyye Witchy DIMMERs
CO CA and a Few DIMMER Places Flyin' on STONER HIGH you'll have
Last Rites of your EXTINCTION Show

OooooooooooooooooohOhOh dAt Some Fine mO fOin Yap


Do you mind if some people quote you when the wheels on the Trump train fall off?
It's exciting to speculate on which cockroach will squeal next.
96) Message boards : Politics : 45 LOVERS and 45 NON-LOVERS Thread.....DREE THEIR WEIRDs (Message 1900983)
Posted 13 Nov 2017 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Every time a halfway serious discussion starts the usual suspects start turning it into a personal vendetta or attack."


Ah, there lies the semblance of the underlying truth of these forums.
The main non-medical reason for my not joining in on discussions came from the realization that hours of arguing amounted to a grand total of 'ZERO' when one tries to count the people changing their minds.
These threads become nothing more than monologues directed at those who cannot, or will not, alter their thinking when new evidence is presented.

So, everyone, rage at the foolishness of others while never contemplating one's own role in this pointless exercise.
97) Message boards : Politics : Following is an Alt-FAKE View:TAKE DOWN Washington Monument; Jefferson Memorial;All Other Monuments to Slave Owner Founding Fathers If NOT TAKEN DOWN, DEFACE IT Alt-FAKE Views are NOT to be BELIEVED Alt-FAKE Views are NOT A Call to Action in REAL WORLD (Message 1884794)
Posted 18 Aug 2017 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
A Smart Entrepeneur Could BUY ALL ALT-LEFT HATED Statues/Monuments Throughout America-plus Pay for TAKE DOWN and Shipment-and Open a Statue/Monument/Historical Facility, and MAKE A BUNDLE.

Christopher Columbus Statues/Monuments on dA TAKE DOWN List by ALT-LEFT?

http://www.oann.com/christopher-columbus-statue-in-n-y-may-not-receive-landmark-status

Man O Live.

Monumental Yap


Build it beside Ken Ham's money losing ark.
There's plenty of open parking spots, so I've heard.
98) Message boards : Cafe SETI : CRL (Angela) got a new hat for her birthday. (Message 1869596)
Posted 26 May 2017 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Best Birthday wishes from the north.

Sorry to be a little late
99) Message boards : Politics : ....................45....................aka CITIZEN No. 1 Calls 'em RIGHT Every Time...Greatest LIARS In PREZ History: O'BLABBY; SHRUB II; SLICK WILLIE 9 to Zero WINNING!!! by American & BEST PREZ EVER (Message 1866782)
Posted 11 May 2017 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Left wing Nazis, huh?
You're a real pip, CLYDE.
100) Message boards : Politics : ....................45....................aka CITIZEN No. 1 Calls 'em RIGHT Every Time...Greatest LIARS In PREZ History: O'BLABBY; SHRUB II; SLICK WILLIE 9 to Zero WINNING!!! by American & BEST PREZ EVER (Message 1866778)
Posted 11 May 2017 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Can I introduce you to Mark Sattler?

Me thinks Clyde and the kittyman are buddies.

Sorry betreger and Robert...

There are over 7 Billion people on this Planet. And some have had 'Life Experiences' you can only read about.

I, for one. Understand why you cannot accept this fact.

Sometimes a 'Street Kid'. Who should have lead a life, as some of his friends did. Of Drug Abuse, Crime, Imprisonment, and an Early Death. Would now be meeting with US Senators and other Officials. Regarding our Disabled Veterans.

Your refusal to accept this. Only enforces my opinion that The Fraudulent Left, who should be celebrating a successful, and interesting life. And should be asking, "why did that happen", or "what changed the course of your life". So we may help others in the same situation.

Don't. They just attack.

Yes betreger and Robert.... You have confirmed all that I have said about The Left.


Unlike the lunatic fringe of the extreme right, some of us need more than the say so of an anonymous online entity as verification of a claim.
As long as you remain a made up name on the internet, you are without credibility.
So," Clyde Claim" your brains out. No amount of bluster will make what you say true.
101) Message boards : Politics : ....................45....................aka CITIZEN No. 1 Calls 'em RIGHT Every Time...Greatest LIARS In PREZ History: O'BLABBY; SHRUB II; SLICK WILLIE 9 to Zero WINNING!!! by American & BEST PREZ EVER (Message 1866647)
Posted 11 May 2017 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:



Sorry again Robert Waite for your disbelief. Just an 'interesting' life.

CLYDE


Can I introduce you to Mark Sattler?
102) Message boards : Politics : ....................45....................aka CITIZEN No. 1 Calls 'em RIGHT Every Time...Greatest LIARS In PREZ History: O'BLABBY; SHRUB II; SLICK WILLIE 9 to Zero WINNING!!! by American & BEST PREZ EVER (Message 1866606)
Posted 10 May 2017 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


BTW: Have acquaintances in the FBI.


Another "CLYDE Claim"

Good gawd, boy. You sure get around.
103) Message boards : Politics : Controversial BOINC Notification (Message 1864951)
Posted 1 May 2017 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Good call, OzzFan.
104) Message boards : Cafe SETI : The continuing of life's adventures of the kittyman. (Message 1860224)
Posted 8 Apr 2017 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I can wait
105) Message boards : Cafe SETI : The continuing of life's adventures of the kittyman. (Message 1860212)
Posted 8 Apr 2017 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
What time does the show start tonight?
106) Message boards : Politics : I hope that this cop gets to feel the full force of the law. #4 (Message 1855669)
Posted 15 Mar 2017 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


And yes... I did arrest Police Officers, during one of my many 'interesting' jobs. In a very varied and 'interesting' lifetime.


Has anyone ever tallied up the claims made in this forum?
If no one is keeping track of those kind of things...
I was an astronaut
I was King of Canada
I was responsible for the US withdrawal from Vietnam
I wrote the Bible
I carved the statue of David
I invented the computer and the self driving car
I broke the sound barrier on a bicycle
and whenever the Pope calls on me for advice, I simply state, "Keep it real, man."
107) Message boards : Politics : Cricket 3 (Message 1853913)
Posted 8 Mar 2017 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Well, I read this thread from start to finish and am forced to admit that I still have no idea as to what you cricketers are talking about.
It may seem blasphemous to some of you, but not all members of the commonwealth have been exposed to the game.

Now that I'm retired, I'll stop and watch if I ever see it being played.
108) Message boards : Politics : ....................45....................aka CITIZEN No. 1 Calls 'em RIGHT Every Time...Greatest LIARS In PREZ History: O'BLABBY; SHRUB II; SLICK WILLIE 9 to Zero WINNING!!! by American & BEST PREZ EVER (Message 1853405)
Posted 6 Mar 2017 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Today, I am not a Pro Trump. I am an Anti Anti-Trump.


You bought it, you own it
109) Message boards : Cafe SETI : OH, Hello again.......I am back for a while. (Message 1852951)
Posted 4 Mar 2017 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Do you really think I would ever open a link provided by you?
Are the BOING BOING noises in your head too loud today?
110) Message boards : Cafe SETI : OH, Hello again.......I am back for a while. (Message 1852941)
Posted 4 Mar 2017 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Racism was invented in the 70s


What can a rational being say to someone like this?
There's no way to cut through the dense layers of racism and stupid that are wrapped around the dormant organ he calls a brain.
111) Message boards : Cafe SETI : OH, Hello again.......I am back for a while. (Message 1852722)
Posted 4 Mar 2017 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

I would not expect you to understand a manic depressive's mind.



I seem to recall you once admitting this to be a self diagnosis.
Since everything you say is bulls4!t, there's no way of knowing if the admission was bull or if the depression is bull.
It matters little.

What matters even less is the story of a lonely 60 year old virgin, living in a house full of garbage (you admitted that too) and cats.
To overcome feelings of overwhelming underachievement, the man rages to the world, "NOTICE ME! I AM HERE!"
But no one gives a damn because the lonely 60 year old virgin in a dirty house full of garbage and cats has spent years gradually insulting or even threatening others online.

Now this guy spends his time talking to himself in his own little thread.
Not playing well with others is how you end up alone online.
meow
112) Message boards : Cafe SETI : OH, Hello again.......I am back for a while. (Message 1852676)
Posted 4 Mar 2017 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
My Gawd, it's no wonder you are still all alone in a hoarder's house with only cats for company.
What level of dysfunction can turn, what must have been at one time a normal person, into such a drama queen?

If you're going, go.
If you're not going, lay off the melodrama.
For, I do declare, this overacting is giving me a case of the vapours. Oh my.
113) Message boards : Politics : I am now very sad to have watched the Oscars. (Message 1852586)
Posted 3 Mar 2017 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Whatever
114) Message boards : Politics : I am now very sad to have watched the Oscars. (Message 1852352)
Posted 2 Mar 2017 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Bite me Clyde
I used the term to show the duality of Sattler's screwed up life and thoughts.
The cat guy has spouted off in opposition to every progressive post for years, yet now he seeks the compassion of his fellow citizens.
I have none to give where that lifeform is concerned.

So, in closing, may I repeat... Bite me.
115) Message boards : Politics : I am now very sad to have watched the Oscars. (Message 1851978)
Posted 28 Feb 2017 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


It is better that their putrid and fetid inner hatred of those Not Them. Is exposed to the Cleaning Air of Ethics, Morality and Tolerance.

Understanding they have no Ethics, Morality, nor Tolerance. And most probably will never. Their self-exposure will probably lead to their consignment to the Toilet Bowl of History.

We can only hope.


I was going to go on a venomous rampage after reading this drivel, but, what good would it do?
If this Clyde guy believes he and the cross dressing cat guy possess the high ground where ethics, morality and tolerance are concerned, carry on fools.
116) Message boards : Cafe SETI : OH, Hello again.......I am back for a while. (Message 1851749)
Posted 27 Feb 2017 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
When Lori arrived, were you wearing that dress you spoke of earlier?
I'm forced to laugh heartily at Mark's behaviour. It's a microcosm of right wing politics.

When he became uncomfortable with the notion of his employer and local authorities being called in, he changed the topic.
Just as the Trumpster fire has deflected public ire by bringing out that old gem of bathroom use by transgender people, so has Mark Sattler changed the topic with a single statement.
117) Message boards : Cafe SETI : OH, Hello again.......I am back for a while. (Message 1851687)
Posted 26 Feb 2017 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Two years ago, you were almost blind too. Not much of a change eh, after all.
https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=73850&postid=1469000#1469000

But of course, being almost blind, you shouldn't keep your drivers license.
I'm sure your doctor will make sure you don't drive. It would be reckless and dangerous....
If not, and since everyone here knows your name, and where you live, I guess it would be a
service to society if your almost blindness was reported to the police, so that they can make sure that you do not drive a car any longer.


I'm more concerned with his ability to wire a firetruck properly.
Is it a moral responsibility of a citizen to report dangers to the authorities?

We have an admission of the progression of blindness, which he says could occur within a time period of a few months.
Not only does this person drive a car on public roadways, he is also involved at the manufacturing stage of emergency vehicles.

Are we, the untold numbers of citizens viewing this thread, obligated to report to both civil authorities and the company this person is employed by?
Does knowledge of this person's impairment involve those who have read this thread in a liable suit if Mark kills someone while driving or if firetrucks all across North America start failing during emergency situations?

Any lawyers out there willing to offer advice on this situation?


If I were impaired to the point of not being able to do my job properly, no team of lawyers would be needed to ask me to step down. I can see the circuit numbers on the wires.
I can still do my job properly and accurately.
You can go to hell with that post.
That was a sick post, and unwarranted, at best.


Your comfort level is outside the question being asked.
Are citizens, with first hand knowledge of visual impairment growing within another, obliged by law to report that information to civil authorities and to employers who may become the target of lawsuits if emergency vehicles start to fail?

I'd be outraged if an American citizen, having read Mark's admission, were found partially liable by way of NOT reporting.
118) Message boards : Cafe SETI : OH, Hello again.......I am back for a while. (Message 1851673)
Posted 26 Feb 2017 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Two years ago, you were almost blind too. Not much of a change eh, after all.
https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=73850&postid=1469000#1469000

But of course, being almost blind, you shouldn't keep your drivers license.
I'm sure your doctor will make sure you don't drive. It would be reckless and dangerous....
If not, and since everyone here knows your name, and where you live, I guess it would be a
service to society if your almost blindness was reported to the police, so that they can make sure that you do not drive a car any longer.


I'm more concerned with his ability to wire a firetruck properly.
Is it a moral responsibility of a citizen to report dangers to the authorities?

We have an admission of the progression of blindness, which he says could occur within a time period of a few months.
Not only does this person drive a car on public roadways, he is also involved at the manufacturing stage of emergency vehicles.

Are we, the untold numbers of citizens viewing this thread, obligated to report to both civil authorities and the company this person is employed by?
Does knowledge of this person's impairment involve those who have read this thread in a liable suit if Mark kills someone while driving or if firetrucks all across North America start failing during emergency situations?

Any lawyers out there willing to offer advice on this situation?
119) Message boards : Cafe SETI : OH, Hello again.......I am back for a while. (Message 1851120)
Posted 25 Feb 2017 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Ya ya, women, whadya gonna do, huh?
Oh well, bottoms up.
120) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Every Second Counts (Message 1847225)
Posted 7 Feb 2017 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I saved the site in my favorites and can't wait for the other flags to light up.
Great find Umteenth Snark.
Thanks for sharing it.
121) Message boards : Cafe SETI : OH, Hello again.......I am back for a while. (Message 1839454)
Posted 1 Jan 2017 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
wtf have I been reading here????
122) Message boards : Cafe SETI : OH, Hello again.......I am back for a while. (Message 1833933)
Posted 3 Dec 2016 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Every morning, I leave my bed and check them. And then I go back to bed to try to get some more sleep.

I am getting older, and it is getting increasingly harder to do that.


We're the same age, so I can relate to the difficulties of leaving the bed to check the computer.
I have but one computer to look at and it exhausts me, I cannot imagine looking at several.

Your efforts every morning are at par with those of a Kentucky coal miner on a double shift and you put everyone with only a single rig to shame.
I better not see anyone else complaining about how hard it is to check their single computer again.
You sir, are the Uberman.
123) Message boards : Politics : Donald Trump for President? (Message 1829890)
Posted 11 Nov 2016 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thanks a lot America.
With the Trump victory embolding them, our Canadian extreme rightist lunatic fringe is spouting off louder than ever.

Fortunately, we have 3 years before our next federal election.
124) Message boards : Politics : Donald Trump for President? (Message 1824120)
Posted 14 Oct 2016 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I am a white, union member, working class male.
I support women.
I do not pretend to have greater understanding of the pressures women face in life. I do not belittle women because their experiences are different than mine.
What I do is extend my support to women with the belief that they know more about the experience of being a woman than I do.
If women say the playing field is tilted against them, my reaction is not to argue, rather, I seek ways to level the field.

Some of you fellow SETI members should take a time out from your attacks and actually consider what women are facing in our society.

Trump is a pig. Those who justify his behaviours are pigs.
Pull your heads out of your arses and take a look around. The times, they are a changin'.
125) Message boards : Politics : Donald Trump for President? (Message 1824059)
Posted 13 Oct 2016 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
No worries For the Children... she can handle herself very well.
I've been following this thread with great delight as Es99 plays Whack-a-Mole with some lesser intellects.
I'm under Dr's orders to avoid stressful situations, such as jousting with the yapping coyotes, so I rarely get involved these days.
126) Message boards : Politics : Donald Trump for President? (Message 1814734)
Posted 2 Sep 2016 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Rising tides really do lift all boats.


Wrong.
The boats anchored to bottom end up being swamped.
127) Message boards : Cafe SETI : The kitties will still be hangin' around. (Message 1805906)
Posted 30 Jul 2016 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I am also entitled, by my extensive history and dedicated work here on the project to have a little more to say than some.


That's very Republican of you.
That same level of deep thought and social conscience is what allowed the property owning, wealthy white males the exclusive right to vote in the early years of your country.

You've got a few centuries of thinking to catch up on.
128) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Lost in space. (Message 1805669)
Posted 29 Jul 2016 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
"Well, a long, long, long time ago there was this puddle of chemicals... a primordial goo, as Q on Star Trek would call it, and ..." that primordial goo learned to become self contained in a coating of skin which allowed the goo to become mobile, thus permitting the goo to invent beer.
129) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy Birthday Uli!!!!!!! (Message 1803951)
Posted 21 Jul 2016 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Happy Birthday Uli
I'm glad you had a great day, you deserve it. xoxoxo
130) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Name your top 3+ music artists (Message 1801781)
Posted 9 Jul 2016 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Hmm, just three huh?

1) Neil Young
2) Bachman Turner Overdrive
3) The Beatles

If I were stuck on a deserted island, I would be happy with my choices.
131) Message boards : Cafe SETI : A reader's corner (Message 1801171)
Posted 6 Jul 2016 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Just started this one yesterday

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ancestor%27s_Tale
132) Message boards : Cafe SETI : A reader's corner (Message 1799386)
Posted 29 Jun 2016 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.cormacmccarthy.com/works/the-road/


I just finished this one. Wow
133) Message boards : Cafe SETI : my 1st seti-home milestone (Message 1799381)
Posted 29 Jun 2016 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Feels good, doesn't it?
134) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Something kitty this way comes....the kitties are back. (Message 1797248)
Posted 18 Jun 2016 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Most of us have learned that a little civility goes a long way.
135) Message boards : Cafe SETI : A reader's corner (Message 1795945)
Posted 13 Jun 2016 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
https://www.amazon.com/Dark-Money-History-Billionaires-Radical/dp/0385535597?ie=UTF8&*Version*=1&*entries*=0

This book exposes the puppet masters and shows us what inherited wealth does to some people's minds.
The sense of entitlement shown by some of these lifeforms is astonishing.
136) Message boards : Politics : Boxing should be illegal (Message 1794277)
Posted 7 Jun 2016 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Illegal?
I don't know the answer to that question.
Personally, at the age of 59, I find myself dealing with the consequences of a lifetime spent playing football. There's no telling how many thousands of times my poor little brain was slightly or heavily scrambled in the years 1967 to 1984.

I came up when the helmet was used as a weapon by us linemen during every play and the head slap, or forearm club, was permitted.
Form tackling was the preferred method of attack on the ball carrier, which is to say, driving one's forehead into the chest or helmet of the person you were tackling to keep them from gaining that extra yard as they were going to the ground.

Every play run during games and practices meant contact to the head if you played on either side of the ball in a line position.
Little regard was given to brain injuries such as concussions in the old days and I either kept playing after getting my "bell rung" or was sent back in very quickly after the how many fingers am I holding up test.

Do I regret playing? Sometimes I do.
Would I ban these types of sports? No, but I'd support outlawing kids under the age of 15 participating and I'd take even greater care to oversee the treatment of head injuries.
137) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy Birthday to Angela! (Message 1794151)
Posted 7 Jun 2016 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I really need to peek in here more often.

Anyway
I hope your birthday was a wonderful event Angela
Best wishes from the north country

Your buddy
Rob

OK, back to my homework... coffee break is over.
138) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Things That Should Never Have Been! (Message 1782787)
Posted 27 Apr 2016 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Religion
139) Message boards : Cafe SETI : A little bit of the kittyman's mind. (Message 1781926)
Posted 24 Apr 2016 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
From Wikipedia
This may explain much.


" Toxoplasma gondii (IPA /ˈtɑːksəˌplæzmə ˈɡɑːndi.aɪ/) is an obligate intracellular, parasitic protozoan that causes the disease toxoplasmosis.[3] Found worldwide, T. gondii is capable of infecting virtually all warm-blooded animals,[4] but felids such as domestic cats are the only known definitive hosts in which the parasite can undergo sexual reproduction.[5]

In humans, T. gondii is one of the most common parasites in developed countries;[6][7] serological studies estimate that 30–50% of the global population has been exposed to and may be chronically infected with T. gondii, although infection rates differ significantly from country to country.[8][9] For example, previous estimates have shown the highest prevalence of persons infected to be in France, at 84%.[10] Although mild, flu-like symptoms occasionally occur during the first few weeks following exposure, infection with T. gondii produces no readily observable symptoms in healthy human adults.[8][11][12] This asymptomatic state of infection is referred to as a latent infection and has recently been associated with numerous subtle adverse or pathological behavioral alterations in humans.[8][13] In infants, HIV/AIDS patients, and others with weakened immunity, infection can cause serious and occasionally fatal illness (toxoplasmosis).[11][12]

T. gondii has been shown to alter the behavior of infected rodents in ways thought to increase the rodents' chances of being preyed upon by cats.[10][14][15] Support for this "Manipulation Hypothesis" stems from studies showing T. gondii infected rats have a decreased aversion to cat urine and increased reaction time.[10] Because cats are the only hosts within which T. gondii can sexually reproduce to complete and begin its lifecycle, such behavioral manipulations are thought to be evolutionary adaptations that increase the parasite's reproductive success.[10] The primary mechanisms of T. gondii–induced behavioral changes in rodents is now known to occur through epigenetic remodeling in neurons which govern the associated behaviors;[16][17] for example, it modifies epigenetic methylation to cause hypomethylation of arginine vasopressin-related genes in the medial amygdala to greatly decrease predator aversion.[16][17] Widespread histone-lysine acetylation in cortical astrocytes appears to be another epigenetic mechanism employed by T. gondii.[18][19] Differences in aversion to cat urine are observed between non-infected and infected humans and sex differences within these groups were apparent as well.[20]

A number of studies have suggested that subtle behavioral or personality changes may occur in infected humans,[21] and infection with the parasite has recently been associated with a number of neurological disorders, particularly schizophrenia.[15] A 2015 study also found cognitive deficits in adults to be associated with joint infection by both T. gondii and Helicobacter pylori in a regression model with controls for race-ethnicity and educational attainment.[22] However, although a causal relationship between latent toxoplasmosis with these neurological phenomena has not yet been established,[8][15] preliminary evidence suggests that T. gondii infection can induce some of the same alterations in the human brain as those observed in mice.[23][24]"
140) Message boards : Number crunching : Climateprediction project is hogging my computer (Message 1778521)
Posted 12 Apr 2016 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Is this a common situation?
I run two BOINC projects, one being SETI@Home and the other is climateprediction.net.

Over the past several days it appears that the climate project has 8 items running while SETI@Home has 1.
There are 4 additional SETI items of various degrees of completion with the status waiting to run.

Is the climate project going to kill my SETI RAC?
141) Message boards : Politics : Are you left wing or right wing? (Message 1776227)
Posted 4 Apr 2016 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
It says I'm a righty.
There's no denying the inevitable, so I may as well embrace my new position by purchasing fossil fuel stocks and laughing at some homeless people.
142) Message boards : Cafe SETI : The kittyman fundraiser.........yes, on gofundme. (Message 1774288)
Posted 26 Mar 2016 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
No apologies needed.
I know that most of you do what you are able to.
I whack the stump when I can.


Do not in the slightest think that I am offended when others don't raise the bar to MY level.

I am an exceptional man, with exceptional expectations.

You are NOT required to live up to them.
\My cross to bear, not yours.


Yeah
143) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Orange or Red? (Message 1747151)
Posted 5 Dec 2015 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Dealers never say orange for some reason.
This colour is very close to my old, well, brand new at the time, 1976 Firebird and the colour was Carrousel Red on the paperwork.
144) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Whatcha Watching? (Message 1744811)
Posted 25 Nov 2015 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The Walking Dead
Fear the Walking Dead
Z Nation
and all forms of Star Trek
145) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What are you listening to? (Message 1738795)
Posted 1 Nov 2015 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wB9GUkEJek

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWf5xcGSdaY
146) Message boards : Politics : existance of god (Message 1736717)
Posted 24 Oct 2015 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Actually, it is very liberating. The moment I realised that I didn't believe in god I felt a huge weight lift off me and realised that I had more control over my life than I realised. There was no 'great plan' and I wasn't being judged by a set of rules that seemed horribly unfair. It was wonderful.

I highly recommend it.


That was my experience too Es99
The sudden sense of freedom and feeling more at one with the universe than any other point in my life.
147) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Looking for a Life Project Partner (Message 1736714)
Posted 24 Oct 2015 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Well, in language you might prefer, an old poem of mine.

To loose my limitations,
The bonds of mind set free,
To step forth from shadow
and greet God's Galaxy,

To snub the nub of tide in me?
Hell vengeance fire my soul!
I shall! I shall!! I shall!!!
I cry, have nothing more to know.


Have you met Mark?
When he returns from sabbatical, I predict some very interesting discussions.
148) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Languages (Message 1734892)
Posted 17 Oct 2015 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'm fairly fluent in three languages, plus one regional dialect.
I speak English
I speak American
And I speak Canadian, the dialect I'm fluent with is Northern British Columbian. eh?
149) Message boards : Politics : Democratic Presidential debates (Message 1734889)
Posted 17 Oct 2015 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Sanders is the only candidate speaking for the general population.
Given the opportunity, he would bring in a new beginning for working people in the US.
I hope he wins the Oval Office.
150) Message boards : Politics : Susan Scott (Message 1734887)
Posted 17 Oct 2015 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Does she live in a van, down by the river? :)
151) Message boards : Cafe SETI : I'm baaaaaack (Message 1733525)
Posted 10 Oct 2015 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Welcome back!

If you feel your blood pressure going up, step away from the computer!


Sound advice :)

Thanks for the welcoming back everyone.
152) Message boards : Politics : Will the "YouTube Era" change policing? (Message 1733191)
Posted 9 Oct 2015 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The number of abuses by police is appalling.
As more people become aware of the abuses via social media, the pressure for accountability will grow.

Cops have been handing out beatings since the beginning of their existence.
With the advent of cameras in cell phones, the ability of citizens to document the abuse is unprecedented.
Cops will be forced to change.
153) Message boards : Cafe SETI : New set of wallpapers (Message 1733189)
Posted 9 Oct 2015 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Nicely done Bogdan.
Welcome to the family.
154) Message boards : Cafe SETI : I'm baaaaaack (Message 1733187)
Posted 9 Oct 2015 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Finally have the new 'puter up and running and I'm slowly getting all my old haunts installed.
Nice to see that nothing has changed around here during the past few months.
That guy is even on a SETI vacation just now so it feels like I'm at home.

My next project is to get my old computer wiped and then get it hooked up to run only BOINC.
That will be it's retirement job.

Anyway, I'm very happy to be online once again and happy to be crunching too.
155) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Goodsearch stats... (Message 1648298)
Posted 1 Mar 2015 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I suppose the time outs from SETI@Home are wonderful opportunities to perform more searchs on Goodsearch.
Keep up the good work of contributing to the project by finding so many ways of creating free time for yourself to use Goodsearch as much as you do. :)
156) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Images of the fruit of the labor of my hobby (Message 1648064)
Posted 1 Mar 2015 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
A couple of guys I worked with at the phone company were hardcore model builders.
Mostly WWII tanks and planes, but they also built a whack of NASA stuff and of course Star Wars and Star Trek.
Many pieces were on display at the Legion and at the library for quite a while.

Thanks for sharing your hobby Bob.
I really like the sailing vessels.
157) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Various thoughts and thingys from the kittyman....... (Message 1645777)
Posted 23 Feb 2015 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
So clearly, this stunt driver thing is just another falsehood passed off as part of the alternative reality you choose to live in.

So many of your posts are like this. They are so filled with distortions and deceptions that you make it impossible to take anything you say seriously.

Well, if the creators of these forums didn't want people posting lies and made up facts, they should have made a rule that says no one can lie or make up facts.
158) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Various thoughts and thingys from the kittyman....... (Message 1645507)
Posted 23 Feb 2015 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


I was sliding sideways at about 50mph throgh the ditch and hit it dead on.
The car had flipped over in a 180 and then abruptly came down of the roof.
You could not have scripted it better. Years later, I learned that you could do this on purpose for a living...LOL.

I drove stunts for many years after that. And not one was as spectacular as thet first event.


msattler wrote the above claim.
That's awesome man!
Can you tell us what movies you are credited in as a stuntman?
Of course, if you didn't do movie work, you must be on YouTube for your stunt driving at county fairs and demolition derbies.
No one can spend years as a stunt driver and have no film.
159) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Let me ask a bold question........... (Message 1644183)
Posted 19 Feb 2015 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I don't see Chris S making excuses for msattler.
As a matter of fact, Chris S calls bull$&!T toward msattler on his made up facts quite often.
160) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Let me ask a bold question........... (Message 1641982)
Posted 14 Feb 2015 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
You forgot to allow funding for the legal fees you'll run up by offering music online that you don't own the rights to.
161) Message boards : Politics : Racist? [yes you are] (Message 1622059)
Posted 2 Jan 2015 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Well, actually quite hard to imagine that first cop action even if he would think that the child holds real gun will be to shoot into the child... Really hard...

Been there - 10 Year old - Real Gun.

Decided not to shoot, and place MY LIFE at greater risk.

Ethical Decision. Not Legal Decision.

Question: Would my decision have been different if he was 14 - 16 - 18 - 25 years old?

Would YOUR decision be different?

What is the 'Cut off' age, if any?


You seem to have a been there done that story for every situation.
162) Message boards : Politics : Has anyone else noticed? (Message 1617150)
Posted 22 Dec 2014 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The right wing lunatic fringe always seems to get much more active in the few years leading up to a US presidential election.
The past few years have been rather quiet in here but the righties are trending upward in their attacks and criticisms.
Looking forward to a spirited few years leading up to the election.
Nice to know some of the unemployed right wing whackos are finding work in a republican run cubicle maze filled with computers, reference books, talking points and suggested items to discuss online.
163) Message boards : Politics : Racist? [yes you are] (Message 1616989)
Posted 21 Dec 2014 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


As a recently retired Associate Professor at a Local University in Miami, after a Career as an NYPD Detective, and prior Service in Vietnam:

Have found that those Serving in the Armed Forces and Police Departments, are MORE Tolerant, than those Employed at University's of Higher Education.



I believe what you really mean to say is they are more tolerant of republicans.
164) Message boards : Politics : Are you a psychopath? (Message 1614705)
Posted 16 Dec 2014 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
So Robert if you score less than me but get the same description as i did , does that mean the test is crap ? or you put your score with my description .

At what score are you a psychopath then .

Darn i thought i scored high enough to be a nutter , darn i'm gona have to be careful i mite lose my pension then as that will be Abbott's next move to refuse a pension unless your a bona fide nutter .


This is the description given to me by the test. I think we can assume there are only three descriptions.

1) Innocent as a newborn
2) Normal
3) Dick Cheney
165) Message boards : Politics : Racist? [yes you are] (Message 1614701)
Posted 16 Dec 2014 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
LOL
Thanks Chris...
Oh yes, we've all seen her in action and it's quite evident she needs no help defending herself.
I simply put myself in her camp to show my moral support while I offer to hold her coat because I can't get my blood pressure elevated arguing with the lunatic fringe.
166) Message boards : Politics : Are you a psychopath? (Message 1614658)
Posted 16 Dec 2014 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
My score is 36%

Though your conscience is in the right place you also have a pragmatic streak and generally aren’t afraid to do your own dirty work! You’re no shrinking violet - but no daredevil either. You generally have little trouble seeing things from another person’s perspective but, at the same time, are no pushover. ‘Everything in moderation – including moderation’ might sum up your approach to life.
167) Message boards : Politics : Racist? [yes you are] (Message 1614655)
Posted 16 Dec 2014 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
This thread is a good example of why I've had to stay away from the forums these past couple of years.
There are a select few friends here that know what my situation has been and have shown great compassion toward me. Es99 is one of those few.

At the risk of overwhelming my medications by getting mixed up in another pointless argument based on personalities and not truth or facts, I feel the need to attempt to put this back on track.

THIS IS A THREAD ENTITLED "Racist? [yes you are].
It is not entitled "We Hate Esme and We Like Arguing With Her!"

The thread is based on the premise that everyone is racist. The issue is whether we are going to deny this fact of our tribal past or take the necessary steps to get beyond the racism by recognizing it for what it is and taking actions to end it.

Those of you piling onto Es99 for whatever reason, are off topic. Stop wasting your time acting like Howler Monkies and explore the topic of the thread.
168) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Talk about your profile pic (Message 1604121)
Posted 22 Nov 2014 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Just me in my little boat.
169) Message boards : Cafe SETI : The NEW youtube thread.... (Message 1596304)
Posted 3 Nov 2014 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
More from Siggy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lv_kzzzDRwU
170) Message boards : Cafe SETI : The NEW youtube thread.... (Message 1596301)
Posted 3 Nov 2014 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I grew up across the street from Siggy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzpCk_HNeOI
171) Message boards : Cafe SETI : The NEW youtube thread.... (Message 1596300)
Posted 3 Nov 2014 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE32tcojArI
172) Message boards : Cafe SETI : are you folks all retired like me that you can put in so much time on this? (Message 1595803)
Posted 2 Nov 2014 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Less than 3 years to go of working for wages.
173) Message boards : Politics : Goodbye to more freedoms, liberties and privacy (Message 1593960)
Posted 29 Oct 2014 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
That's why I called it "EXTREME"

The point I'm making is they are chipping away freedoms with every incident and at some point there will be nothing left.
174) Message boards : Politics : Goodbye to more freedoms, liberties and privacy (Message 1593886)
Posted 29 Oct 2014 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Regarding the surveillance state, anyone paying even the smallest amount of attention knows that the increase in state monitoring of our private communications, our activities and our thoughts is already contracted out to the other partners.

Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the United States created an entity called Five Eyes.

Each individual country has laws that prevent the governments from spying on their own citizens. To get around such silly hindering laws, they formed this alliance of spy agencies.
Each member country spies on citizens of the other four members then passes the information back to the governments who's citizens are being watched.

Our leaders continue to speak publicly to us about our wonderful freedoms and democracies and how they must be protected from outside attacks. The dangers to our democracy and freedom are not coming from outside sources.
The danger is from within.

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."
Sinclair Lewis
175) Message boards : Politics : Goodbye to more freedoms, liberties and privacy (Message 1593878)
Posted 29 Oct 2014 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Where does the growth of the surveillance state end?
Every time some idiot with a gun or a bomb in his underwear makes the news, we loose more freedom.

The governments invaded our circle of freedom after those Saudis attacked the U.S. on Sept 11.
Surveillance and monitoring of citizens increased... but, you know, just enough to keep us safe.

Some crazed fanatical goat herder makes threats against Canadian citizens and, once again, surveillance and monitoring of citizens is increased.

A couple of mentally ill lost souls attack and kill Canadian soldiers and once again the security state steps up to further worm it's way into our lives.

Every time they take another bite out of our privacy, our freedoms and liberties, they use the same twisted logic that it's for our own safety and security.

Follow this logic to it's extreme conclusion and you find the surveillance/security state has placed us in small concrete cells surrounded by armed guards and cameras pointed at us 24 hrs a day.
We will certainly be safe then.
176) Message boards : Politics : Goodbye to more freedoms, liberties and privacy (Message 1592991)
Posted 27 Oct 2014 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'm pleased to see not everyone going over the top with this...

http://www.canada.com/News/canada/Government+exploits+attacks+military+push+security+agenda/10326560/story.html

I'm feeling so damned manipulated right now.
Both national news services are running live reports from the funeral of the murdered reservist soldier.
The government has sickeningly placed this victim of a lunatic/fanatic as their poster-boy for why we need less privacy and freedom.

Who would dare argue when so many flags are waving?
Who would dare point out the cynicism while so many grieve?
177) Message boards : Politics : Goodbye to more freedoms, liberties and privacy (Message 1592983)
Posted 27 Oct 2014 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I swear the right wingers keep files filled with their extremist wish lists ready to be presented as legislation at the very moment something happens.

Some lonely loser gave Prime Minister Harper the opportunity to open the "INCREASED SURVEILLANCE" file and slap it on the table, all the while acting like he and a few ministers worked tirelessly to craft the bill.
No.
The lonely loser with a gun is just the pretext for more police state laws.
Our governments keep repeating that we will not be intimidated and we will not give in to terror.

What the hell do they call this if it isn't giving in?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/ottawa-shooting-harper-government-wants-to-make-terror-arrests-easier-1.2811571

Our Prime Minister had a fairly close experience with the gun laws he has been promoting and I thought he might have had a change of direction while pondering his fate while hiding in a meeting room with chairs piled against the door.
I'll even go further and say he probably peed his trousers too.

But I digress.
The point I'm making is how quickly rightist governments seem to have an entire package of laws drawn up after any incidents that relate to whatever the government has on it's agenda.
This opportunist collection of bobble-heads is going to put Canadians further into a surveillance police state without even a passing thought about the ramifications,
178) Message boards : Politics : Chimps... Are they people too? (Message 1587528)
Posted 16 Oct 2014 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


We have about 98% commonality with chimps


This is correct TS.
Homo Sapiens and Homo Troglodytes (Chimpanzees) share the same DNA with a difference of only 2%, give or take a decimal point or two.

I have an easier time welcoming Homo Troglodytes into the inner circle of what defines humans than accepting corporations into personhood.
179) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : What are you reading? (Message 1585558)
Posted 12 Oct 2014 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I am reading "The Third Chimpanzee".
Written over ten years ago, some topics within the book are slightly dated, but overall it's well worth anyone's time.

http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/49234.The_Third_Chimpanzee
180) Message boards : Politics : on the political correctness of political correctness (Message 1585454)
Posted 11 Oct 2014 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Common sense is one of those terms that everyone thinks applies to their own way of thinking.
Political correctness is a term that applies to the act of not being a jerk to others.
181) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Real Pictures of Real Seti Friends (Message 1582906)
Posted 7 Oct 2014 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thank you Lynn
(insert bashful grin here)
182) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Real Pictures of Real Seti Friends (Message 1582791)
Posted 7 Oct 2014 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Had the chance to meet Robert Waite today. We spent a pleasant afternoon over a few beers with my long suffering husband (who took the picture).

We can now vouch for each other's realness.



After a relaxing 8 hour drive, I'm finally at home again.
Thank you Esme and Terry for an afternoon of good conversation, plenty of laughs and just a small amount of gossip.

I was thrilled at the opportunity to meet over a few pints and I hope to do it again.

PS: Esme is much taller than I imagined. Couple that with her sharp intellect and she really is the full package.
183) Message boards : Cafe SETI : is it a hoax? (Message 1576798)
Posted 24 Sep 2014 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
She should have had the extra breast installed on her back.
Yeah, it would look funny but she'd be fun to dance with.
184) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Your Epitaph (Message 1574843)
Posted 20 Sep 2014 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
A few scant years of awareness sandwiched between two eternities of oblivion.
I don't think a carved stone will mean anything to anyone...
unless it's giving directions to the nearest pub.
185) Message boards : Cafe SETI : book readers (Message 1572990)
Posted 16 Sep 2014 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
PS: My favorite book of all time is probably 'The Grapes of Wrath' by John Steinbeck.

Everyone should read this book while making comparisons to the way modern neo-cons are treating the masses.
186) Message boards : Cafe SETI : book readers (Message 1572989)
Posted 16 Sep 2014 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I started reading Science fiction in '69 and am still an avid fan.
I use it to calm myself after reading more serious books like 'The World According to Monsanto' by Marie-Monique Robin.
I'm into the 4th chapter and it's one of the most frightening books ever.
I knew Monsanto is evil before buying this book, but the depth of evil is shocking.
187) Message boards : Cafe SETI : The NEW youtube thread.... (Message 1568619)
Posted 7 Sep 2014 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CxTRRJ7qdk
188) Message boards : Cafe SETI : The NEW youtube thread.... (Message 1568617)
Posted 7 Sep 2014 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
If the shoe fits...
steal the other one


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EnJcCBypF00
189) Message boards : Politics : The reassertion of whiteness in Canada (Message 1561685)
Posted 24 Aug 2014 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Because I have been 'labeled' as racist for discussing things as I see them.


If you see things in a racist manner and say those things in a racist manner, then maybe you are a duck.
190) Message boards : Politics : The reassertion of whiteness in Canada (Message 1561375)
Posted 24 Aug 2014 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Nor did I Bill.
This CONservative/reform party is a throwback to the McCarthy era of subversives hiding everywhere.
191) Message boards : Cafe SETI : The kittyman's home thread. (Message 1561145)
Posted 23 Aug 2014 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
May I suggest a theme song?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brJozYDT0Ts
192) Message boards : Politics : Energy channeling herbalist nut job (Message 1559196)
Posted 19 Aug 2014 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Was it in his book A Pale Blue Dot that Sagan bemoaned the growth of pseudoscience due to the way it deflected people from real scientific inquiry?
193) Message boards : Politics : First Scientific Proof Of God Found (Message 1554818)
Posted 11 Aug 2014 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


And the only people that will understand molecular biology are people that have studied it in university. And the people that have studied molecular biology in university won't read a book that has "God" in the title of the book because the world of science doesn't allow scientists to talk about God or Religion. Therefore, the book would almost be pointless. The general public just won't understand a book about molecular biology.


I feel that I must disagree with this Johnney Guinness.
A book founded on solid science would be read by the scientific community even if you called it 'The Big Book of God Stuff That's Really, Really Real and How I Came to Discover and Decode it in the Human Genome and then had a nice Holiday at the Beach.'
194) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What are you YouTubing today? (Message 1542256)
Posted 15 Jul 2014 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cvc4GUQpe70
195) Message boards : Cafe SETI : I have to acknowedge.......... (Message 1540533)
Posted 12 Jul 2014 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I helped do this one as well.
The studio was rather warm.
You can hear it closing in.
They were a few thousand dollars worth of Senns.
Very warm ribbon mikes.
Yeah, I did that.

Little Red.


In 1966 you were nine years old. This is no different than your claim of contributing to creation of the sound of the band Steppenwolf.

Since you are answering questions in here... What roll did you play in the Apollo moon landings?
196) Message boards : Politics : First Scientific Proof Of God Found (Message 1537058)
Posted 7 Jul 2014 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Its the same in every single nation on Earth. The "God" people were always there just waiting for us to arrive so they could have some fun playing God, with us!


Hello JG
You've got me wondering where the "God" people went after we took over the planet.
Are they hiding underground?
Did they all leave Earth?
Did we kill them?
197) Message boards : Cafe SETI : To the kitty people.....new edition. (Message 1523428)
Posted 2 Jun 2014 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Mark
You're just an endless loop of Slaughterhouse-Five
198) Message boards : Cafe SETI : You never heard it this way.;;;;;;;;; (Message 1505927)
Posted 19 Apr 2014 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I ran a studio, back in the 60s,

2014 - 54 = 1960 ran a studio aged 9!! Wow

Say 18 in 1969 born 1951 age 63

and I lost a lost a lot in a flood 'in 62

Born 1951 - age 11 in 62
Born 1960 - age 2 in 62

Obviously Bistro maths!


Hey Bernie, I've called bull$4!t before on these claims. Last time it was because Mark claimed to have suggested the musical sound for Steppenwolf in his studio in the 60's.
Mark and I are the same age and the oldest we ever got in the 60's is twelve.
So... while I was riding my bike around with baseball cards clothespegged into the spokes, he was running a recording studio.
His link to the Vietnam war is just as tenuous.
As Maxwell Smart would say...
Missed it by that much!
199) Message boards : Cafe SETI : How's life going for me? (Message 1496976)
Posted 29 Mar 2014 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
You were not in vietnam war, were you?


For Christ's sake Sattler, we're the same age.
Stop implying you went to Vietnam.

We are both too young to have been swept up into that hellhole.
200) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Guitar (Message 1487567)
Posted 11 Mar 2014 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Hmmm... I got a feeling the guitar is lonely again:))


True.
I find myself too tired to concentrate during the winter months because of the shift work and overtime involved with my job.
I'm hoping to pick it up again in a couple of months when regular dayshift hours kick in at work.
201) Message boards : Politics : Is it just a troll, or something far more sinister? (Message 1482942)
Posted 28 Feb 2014 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Yes, I know that.
My intent was to have people ask themselves if they might be dealing with more than some individual lonely loser internet troll when finding themselves involved in an argument in a forum or chat room.

The individual troll is a pain in the butt and means nothing. The fact that our governments are funding troll-like activities really is sinister.
202) Message boards : Politics : Is it just a troll, or something far more sinister? (Message 1482822)
Posted 28 Feb 2014 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Do you wonder why some trolls seem just too prepared to go over the top with their shtick?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUWnGXAfabA
203) Message boards : Cafe SETI : My Mom (Message 1474244)
Posted 8 Feb 2014 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Oh Allie
I'm so very shocked and sorry hearing this sad news.
Kenzie is one of the people I hoped to meet in person, and that can never happen now.
Please take comfort in knowing the high regard she was held in and that she did make a difference in many people's lives.
204) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics site (Message 1459475)
Posted 1 Jan 2014 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'm not a computer guy. I have no idea of the inner workings of these things.

Is there an option inside the Lunatics site that will scan my processors and video card then decide the most optimum program to increase crunching power?
205) Message boards : Cafe SETI : I can't do mathematics. (Message 1459474)
Posted 1 Jan 2014 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
MORE WINE!
206) Message boards : Politics : A modest proposal (Message 1459429)
Posted 1 Jan 2014 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Exclusive clubs always start with a "modest proposal".

I really don't care if I'm permitted to use the forums or not.
I joined SETI@Home with the express intent of allowing my computing resources to be used by the project. The forums were a pleasant surprise to me after getting everything up and running.

If my opinion were to be asked, the answer would surprise no one because my socialist views are well known. Leave the forums as they are. Egalitarian.

The odd lunatic does take advantage of the freedoms afforded here and they pay with banishment.
The odd lunatic believes he/she owns the forums due to his/her RAC numbers and length of involvement, but that same odd lunatic finds themselves banned anyway.

Keep the forums as open and free as possible with no restrictions.
207) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Good reasons to not ride the Harley. (Message 1458323)
Posted 28 Dec 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
[img] [/img]

Time to wake up the neighbors. LOL
208) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Good reasons to not ride the Harley. (Message 1458129)
Posted 28 Dec 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Because it's my brother's very distinctive looking ride, and the local cops know the bike.
I ride just a little slower when I take it out for a scoot.
209) Message boards : Politics : Master of disaster......... (Message 1457306)
Posted 25 Dec 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Really? You want to celebrate the life of another merchant of death?
Yes, I blame him for causing death, just as I blame the manufacturers and the trigger pullers.

For a dude from Kpac, you really seem to have bought into the NRA bullshyte completely.
Careful Mark. Once the Kpacians realize that you've been infected by 2nd amendmentitis, they probably won't allow you to return to the planet of peace.
210) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Guitar (Message 1456501)
Posted 23 Dec 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thank you Julie
I'll give these a try. If this helps me, I'll send you some backstage passes to the world tour. :)
211) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Guitar (Message 1455481)
Posted 19 Dec 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
We bought an electric guitar for my son a few years back and after a few years of lessons, well, let's just say that the guitar got lonely.
So, I've borrowed it from him thinking I'll try my hand at it.

Does anyone have a good site to begin the basics on?
I have absolutely no known musical abilities, so it has to be pretty simple stuff.

Twang
Twang
212) Message boards : Politics : Religion - is one better than another? (Message 1454374)
Posted 16 Dec 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


So you think my plan of setting up a festive diorama of Christians being fed to the lions on the front lawn might be in poor taste? I was hoping it would discourage them from parking there when the go to the Church across the street.


Brilliant Esme.
Now you've got me thinking of a wonderfully Christian scene based on events during the inquisition.
I'll need an Iron Maiden, stocks, thumb screws, a rack and a stake with some non-Christians blazing away all night.
That should keep them off my porch.
Thanks.

It's the most wonderful time of the year


213) Message boards : Politics : Another subtle indication of the political bias of the US media (Message 1451614)
Posted 8 Dec 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Anyone following current events knows that the mainstream media does not lean left.
The owners of big media outlets are corporations with agendas. The people hired to run those outlets are chosen for their ability to promote the corporate agendas.

I'm a leftist, way out left of most, and I cancelled delivery of my local newspaper because of my perception of right wing bias.

I suppose extreme views from either political wing will see bias when information is coming from the center. (or just right of it)
214) Message boards : Politics : To Toronto Mayer Rob Ford (Message 1443213)
Posted 16 Nov 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Ford continues to refuse to resign.
My opinion is that he has an over inflated sense of self worth. Growing up in a very wealthy family, the family business brings in over $100 million a year, he feels he deserves special treatment because of his special skills.
He truly believes that even in his booze and crack riddled state of mind, he's the only person capable of filling the position.
I can't wait to read the details of the accusation that he's spent time with some hooker too.

Tune in next week when Ford, the Peter Griffin of Canada, engages in a fight to the death with a chicken.
215) Message boards : Politics : How much does the general public actually know? (Message 1442192)
Posted 14 Nov 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Why do rightists and teabaggers always compare capitalism to various forms of governance?
Capitalism is an economic system, the others are political systems.
Apples to oranges Guy.

Capitalism would function under a communist government very easily.
Shareholders could own up to 49% of whatever industry they care to invest in and enjoy their profit for not really working. Just like now.
The state would retain control by owning 51%, thus allowing the profits to assist in maintaining services and government programs.
State ownership and capitalism are not exclusive of each other.
216) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Goodbye (Message 1437282)
Posted 3 Nov 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:



Also, we have people who create threads for their vitriolic rants and raves, then proceed to be the only one posting in the thread. If a thread originator is the only posting in that thread for, say, 10 posts in a row, perhaps the thread should be auto-locked. Why should the S@H message boards be turned into niches for blogs?


I'm not going looking for it, but there's a thread about feeding cats that has many posts by one member and they are only because he's keeping the thread going.

Maybe the best option is to leave things the way they are and allow the mods to stomp on those who need stomping on.
217) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Goodbye (Message 1437044)
Posted 2 Nov 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
When I joined the project, I had no idea that the forums existed.
I was just going to allow SETI to run on my machine.

If postings are causing you grief, avoid the forums and just leave BOINC running in the background.
218) Message boards : Cafe SETI : 10 Years Here, What You Got! (Message 1432076)
Posted 23 Oct 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
In 2 hours and 20 minutes, I will have completed 6 years in here.
219) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Last post for a lonnnnnnnnnnnng time then. (Message 1431251)
Posted 20 Oct 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Another hissy fit over foul language being removed from the boards.
Same old same old.
220) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Now I gotta ask this......... (Message 1431249)
Posted 20 Oct 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Dear friends, I'm afraid that my tolerance for the intolerant is at its end. If you feel similarly, please join me in my campaign to eliminate death threats from our forum.


+1
Thank you for taking a principled stand Angela.
High RAC numbers are not a get out of jail free card. The rules must apply to everyone, or the rules mean nothing.


221) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Last post for a lonnnnnnnnnnnng time then. (Message 1431242)
Posted 20 Oct 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I guess lonnnnnnnnng is a relative term. LOL
222) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Last post for a lonnnnnnnnnnnng time then. (Message 1431144)
Posted 20 Oct 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Make of it what you want.
I cannot stay here anymore.

You are happy now.

I am not.

No death threats.
Good bye.

I leave you with this.........


I look forward to a lonnnnnnnnng period of relative peace.
He's correct in saying "You are happy now." and I'm quite certain that his own unhappiness will soon be ended due to his overactive fantasy driven psyche.
I wonder what colour the sky is in his world.
223) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Now I gotta ask this......... (Message 1430903)
Posted 20 Oct 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
It's not about political correctness.
For myself, I just can't take the bull, the hate and the false bravado you spout.
When you spend your weekends getting gooned on your rotgut whiskey and cluttering up the forums with so much drivel that even a buzzard would vomit, it becomes too much for me to take.

If I wanted to spend my time in a world of fantasy, I'd go get a real book, by a real author and read that.

Like I said before, reading your threads is like watching a slow motion train wreck sometimes.
224) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Now I gotta ask this......... (Message 1430893)
Posted 20 Oct 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Don't blame the mods, t'was I reported you for foul language.
Bye Bye

Good! He's gone. Now we can talk about him. LOL
225) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Now I gotta ask this......... (Message 1430867)
Posted 19 Oct 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I got dragged out of my house and was taken to a hospital 20 miles away on a 48 hour commitment hold. I have hospital records to verify this.



Which I did, on stocking feet, and a cab ride for $200.00 back to my place.


I'm still trying to wrap my head around the 20 mile cab ride that cost $200.
That's the most believable part of that fever dream story, and even then it makes no sense.
226) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Now I gotta ask this......... (Message 1430828)
Posted 19 Oct 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Like any herd animal seeking out others of it's kind, the crazy also seek out others.
Sattler is advertising in forums for all of the bewildered and lost crazy people to contact him.
I hope he gets thousands of PMs and emails. Every lunatic in the world could end up seeking a personal audience with the galactic traveler.

I can see him now. Hiding in the basement while dozens of crazies wander in his yard, looking in windows and pounding on doors. "Show us the way!" "Take us with you!"
Oh yeah, when you send up the bat signal calling in the lunatic fringe, you really should ask yourself just what you are getting yourself into.

His 'two guns, one for each of you' shtick won't work on a zombie-like herd of mental cases as they force their way through the door. LOL
227) Message boards : Politics : The USA shuts down (Message 1430028)
Posted 18 Oct 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Correct WK
228) Message boards : Politics : The USA shuts down (Message 1429973)
Posted 18 Oct 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
DEM/Libs Lose This Battle.

Hustlin'BlabbyHusseinCaresNot is Total Fail

DEM/Libs Lose '14 and '16 Elections.

We Have A Big Inaugural TEA Party Bash in Jan. '17.

Sweetness. Oh Yeah. fO shO

Corn 'it'


Keep those predictions coming Corn
229) Message boards : Politics : Ayn Rand (Message 1429448)
Posted 16 Oct 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


If & when the TRUE producers strike, you will be surprised who is doing the striking. Yes, indeed, many surprises will be in store.


If you are referring to the pampered wealthy elite corporatists as the "TRUE producers", I think you'll find they began their strike many years ago under the Reagan/Thatcher fiascoes.
With the onslaught of globalization, they've been able to strike at the heart of the working class by sending manufacturing overseas.

Of course, these rich pigs aren't really the "TRUE producers" of anything. They are actually leeches sucking at the blood and sweat of those who do produce.
The wealthy are not producers of anything but greed and poverty. They do nothing more than profit from those who do the production.

They need us more than we need them. Let's see Bill Gates or some Saudi oil baron actually build their own mansions, planes, cars or anything else you can think of.
Most of them don't know how to fix a damned toilet, so don't call them the "TRUE producers".

PS: In Rand's feverish attempts to show how the elites don't need ordinary people, did she ever explain how the soft handed non-labouring elites actually built their new community?
230) Message boards : Politics : Is Marijuana the safest drug ever? (Message 1429435)
Posted 16 Oct 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
We should start a pool.
231) Message boards : Number crunching : 15th Anni T-shirt discussions (Message 1429046)
Posted 16 Oct 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'll take only 2 this time please ULI.
The kids never did wear their's. :(

Please mark me down for two XXL shirts.
232) Message boards : Politics : Ayn Rand (Message 1428365)
Posted 14 Oct 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Here's her complete interview with Mike Wallace.
I just shake my head at the foolish woman thinking that the elites can get by without any help. Christ, most of them couldn't mow their own lawns.

I wonder what her maid and cook thought of this interview. LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ooKsv_SX4Y
233) Message boards : Politics : Ayn Rand (Message 1428298)
Posted 14 Oct 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I came across this link and thought some of you might be interested in a short biography done in graphic style.

http://activatecomix.com/162-1-1.comic
234) Message boards : Cafe SETI : A new kitty auction.......... (Message 1428232)
Posted 13 Oct 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I believe you on this one Mark because I can see it happening.

"I think I'll get drunk" *POOF* it happens
"I think I'll ramble on aimlessly" *POOF* it happens
"I think I'll take credit for Steppenwolf's particular style" *POOF* it happens
"I think I'll base all of my self worth on gaining useless credits" *POOF* it happens
"I think I'll post every trivial moment of my life online as a kind of archive for future generations" *POOF* it happens
"I think I'll go back to Kpak" *NO POOF* yeah, that one never happens.
235) Message boards : Cafe SETI : I still miss George Carlin. (Message 1428202)
Posted 13 Oct 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
There's a time and a place for words.
Carlin made sure that he was in good form during his live shows before adult audiences but you never heard an F-bomb from him while he sat with Carson.

Even Carlin knew there was a line and he didn't cross it.

So you say you aren't scared to swear. What are you, eight years old?
No adult is scared to swear, but they seem to understand where and when to do it.

This isn't the place for it.

56 years old now, son.
Still not afraid to use whatever version of the King's English I choose to use.


Well then, feel free to make your choices.
See you after the banishment runs out. LOL
236) Message boards : Cafe SETI : TLPTPW numero 198...Kitties rule! (Message 1428197)
Posted 13 Oct 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thank you Uli
I think it's time to head upstairs and get started on the veggies.
237) Message boards : Cafe SETI : I still miss George Carlin. (Message 1428172)
Posted 13 Oct 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
There's a time and a place for words.
Carlin made sure that he was in good form during his live shows before adult audiences but you never heard an F-bomb from him while he sat with Carson.

Even Carlin knew there was a line and he didn't cross it.

So you say you aren't scared to swear. What are you, eight years old?
No adult is scared to swear, but they seem to understand where and when to do it.

This isn't the place for it.
238) Message boards : Cafe SETI : A new kitty auction.......... (Message 1427830)
Posted 12 Oct 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Joan could have had me as her own, but she chose not to.



She is wise to have severed contact with someone who would eventually become a cyber stocker.
You admitted in the past that you'd been booted from several JJ fan sites for spouting off the way you do.
239) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Now I gotta ask this......... (Message 1427827)
Posted 12 Oct 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'm detecting a messianic complex developing in Mark's posts here.
He's the last person I'd PM for insights on life. LOL
240) Message boards : Politics : Best examples of SD, Stupid Design (Message 1422723)
Posted 30 Sep 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Well Sarge, the invisible sky dude also saw it fit to not have me born as a member of the idle rich, so I've had to feed my family with my bent back.

I must have misplaced the manual, or it was taken from me when they pounded that Protestant work ethic into my brain... I think I'm finally becoming deprogrammed because I'm really enjoying down time as I get closer to retirement.
241) Message boards : Politics : Best examples of SD, Stupid Design (Message 1422209)
Posted 30 Sep 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I nominate the design of the human spine.
What the hell was the invisible sky dude thinking when he stacked a bunch of bones up vertically with the expectation that it would hold up under the stress of workloads applied to it.

The human spine is proof that intelligent design is a myth.
242) Message boards : Politics : What is the best evidence/argument for intelligent design? (Message 1422135)
Posted 29 Sep 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:



You have a damn good point!

The American experiment of self governing is the best and only example of what true Humanity is capable of.

Now even in America Brainiacs are farking up the mix and we have become the exporters of war and death. This is called smart. When in fact it's the dumbest thing EVER conceived by man!

Let the idiots carry on...we'll pick up the pieces.


So ID, in your opinion, American aggression is more of a recent turn of events brought on by "Brainiacs".
You don't seem to think your nation has been in a state of almost perpetual war with damned near everyone since the start of the "American experiment".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States
243) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Now I gotta ask this......... (Message 1421805)
Posted 29 Sep 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
In the interests of fairness, I did give you a chance.
244) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Now I gotta ask this......... (Message 1421804)
Posted 29 Sep 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Yeah, I didn't think you could.
245) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Now I gotta ask this......... (Message 1421803)
Posted 29 Sep 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

You suggest there is a difference between time and distance.
That is your limitation, my friend. And why you are stuck here on your little planet.
They happen to be one and the same bit of measurement.

Time IS space, and space IS time.

They are one and the same.

Once you grasp that, you can travel anywhere.
Even to kpax.

Meow.


Well then, I can expect you to pop up right next to me now to prove your point.
I'll sign off and count to 3
246) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Now I gotta ask this......... (Message 1421785)
Posted 29 Sep 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:



We sent beacons to you light years ago.



Jeez, I thought every pangalactic interdimensional being was aware that a light year is a measurement of distance, not time.

I guess there really is no intelligent life out there.
247) Message boards : Politics : Only in America! (Message 1421249)
Posted 28 Sep 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

'Even if Obama accomplishes nothing'.....

Well, he's well on his way to THAT goal. If nothing else.


Do I have to post a list of what the man has accomplished?
Are you really that much of a numbskull to believe Obama has done nothing?

Notice that I didn't CALL you a numbskull, but simply asked if you were one.
248) Message boards : Politics : Enforcing the Border (Message 1420344)
Posted 26 Sep 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Is this what some are hoping to see more of?
249) Message boards : Politics : Thor is the designer! (Message 1416586)
Posted 16 Sep 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
In the past, before I learned the real truth, I leaned toward Zeus, but the Flying Spaghetti Monster has begun to win me over to His side.
I think it's the cool spaghetti strainer hats that you get to wear that convinces me the most.

The hats are way cooler than those pointy hats Catholics love so much.
By cooler I mean, not only as a fashion statement, but the hundreds of holes allow for increased air circulation on those hot days of summer.
250) Message boards : Politics : Is this guy delusional? (Message 1416189)
Posted 16 Sep 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Yeah, that guy is a real zealot.
251) Message boards : Politics : Is this guy delusional? (Message 1416162)
Posted 15 Sep 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Ok Robert, go ahead and have some fun. I'm going to demonstrate to you that I have a spine.


I'm sure I don't know what you're speaking about.
If you take some kind of offense to this, it's of your own making as no one is mentioned at all.
Just a hypothetical, generic, nonspecific entity who is referred to in here as nothing more than a vehicle to move the expression of the idea along.
I chose the masculine generic nonspecific commonly used expression known as a guy in my effort to be nonconfrontational.

I suggest that you, as a moderator, do the same.
252) Message boards : Politics : Is this guy delusional? (Message 1416153)
Posted 15 Sep 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


If you knew some guy with this type of thought processing, would you not consider the guy delusional?
How does a guy like this ever advance his thinking? Where would this guy ever find opportunity to expand his intellect?

I find that most of the guys I've met with such closed mental environments as shown in the cartoon, are also quite aggressively religious.
I suppose these kinds of guys, once cemented into their medieval mindsets, cannot accept concepts more modern than the dark ages.

What do you do with a guy like this?
253) Message boards : Politics : Enforce the border........ (Message 1415628)
Posted 14 Sep 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


So, I take mine with a grain of salt and my tongue in my cheek.


Which is the part where you are tongue in cheek? Is it just the catapult? Or does that include the part about shooting human beings at the American border?

I hope it's both.

254) Message boards : Politics : Enforce the border........ (Message 1415603)
Posted 14 Sep 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
If it's about jobs jobs jobs, then I agree with the idea of using a catapult on those responsible for eliminating jobs.
First, the "Free Trade" politicians... WHOOSH... into the ocean.
Second, the corporate pigs using "Free Trade" to send manufacturing jobs overseas... WHOOSH... into the ocean.
Third, uninformed reactionary rightist "patriots"... WHOOSH... into the ocean.
(starts looking around. Hmmmm)
Fourth, religious fundamentalists of all stripes... WHOOSH... into the ocean.

Hey this is fun!

Fifth, all citizens with mental disorders or other problems such as alcoholism... WHOOSH... into the ocean.

This is awesome. What fun I'm having with this catapult.
Although, I have noticed that once I started flinging groups into the ocean, I didn't really know where to draw the line.
I just kept flinging even after running out of those inside my target groups.

Hmmm
I wonder if the hate filled right will be wiser when they use their catapult on us?
255) Message boards : Politics : Now the government wants to monitor your credit cards...... (Message 1415597)
Posted 14 Sep 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Credit card transactions were among the first and easiest activities to monitor.
The corporatists have been monitoring us for decades.
(pssst) they can also track your whereabouts by looking for your cellphone which can be triangulated by it's distances to different cellular towers, which is old school technology, or they just look into the GPS app.)
256) Message boards : Politics : Enforce the border........ (Message 1415286)
Posted 13 Sep 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Erase all of the arbitrary invisible lines on the map and let humans move freely, as we've done since the dawn of our existence.

The world has it's priorities all screwed up by controlling the movements of people but allowing the free movement of capital.
257) Message boards : Politics : What is the best evidence/argument for intelligent design? (Message 1415283)
Posted 13 Sep 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
"What is the best evidence/argument for intelligent design?."

Every argument supporting ID comes down to belief in the invisible man in the sky.
I cannot make that leap based on the crap being sold by you or the churches.

Based on that premise, I suppose the "best evidence/argument" is whatever suits your needs.
Of course, being the "best evidence/argument" doesn't make it correct. It just makes it the most creative wrong answer.
258) Message boards : Politics : Enforce the border........ (Message 1413145)
Posted 9 Sep 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Actually Gary, U.S. farm subsidies and protections make it impossible for for farmers on the other side of the globe to compete in the American marketplace.
259) Message boards : Politics : Enforce the border........ (Message 1413104)
Posted 9 Sep 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Americans, don't know about Canadians, are too damn lazy to actually give a days work for a days wages.


Do you include yourself in that thesis Gary?
To me, it's just corporate speak for working people don't deserve a fair wage.
260) Message boards : Politics : Enforce the border........ (Message 1413098)
Posted 9 Sep 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

By this is it obvious that Americans are flat out unwilling to work and feel too privileged to do manual labor. The great failure of the American educational system.



I disagree with this statement. Canadians and Americans are indeed willing to work hard. Look around any construction site or manufacturing plant.
The issue is wages. On construction sites, the pay is worthy of the work being done, in most cases.

The land owning "farmers" who, in their efforts to maximize profits, simply do not pay enough for the level of labour required to bring in the crops.
They've been relying on migrant workers for decades and their industry lobbyists have gone to great lengths in twisting the political arms holding office to ensure that minimum wages standards do not apply to agricultural piece work.

Pay a living wage and our own citizens will show up for work, no matter how hard it is.
261) Message boards : Politics : Enforce the border........ (Message 1412740)
Posted 7 Sep 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'm signing off now so there's one less reason for you to stay awake.
262) Message boards : Politics : Enforce the border........ (Message 1412739)
Posted 7 Sep 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Hard buns
263) Message boards : Politics : Enforce the border........ (Message 1412735)
Posted 7 Sep 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The world of fantasy you exist within just makes me shake my head in wonder.
To believe that one's drunken ramblings on an internet forum are cause for celebration and admiration is beyond my level of comprehension.
You are really in need of the kind of help that cannot be acquired in sites like this.
You really need to see a live, well trained human therapist or psychologist to work out why you've moved into such a vivid fantasy life where you are loved and admired for revealing for all to see nothing but bullshit and lies.
Some of them I let slide and others are too over the top to leave alone, so I comment on them.

Really, I mean it, seek professional help.
It's amusing to stand by and watch a slow motion train wreck for a little while, but this has been going on for way too long.
264) Message boards : Politics : Enforce the border........ (Message 1412727)
Posted 7 Sep 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
So, better men than I look at you in a manner lower than I.
Well, they should know.

265) Message boards : Politics : Enforce the border........ (Message 1412720)
Posted 7 Sep 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'm not sure, you've called me both in the past.
266) Message boards : Politics : Enforce the border........ (Message 1412715)
Posted 7 Sep 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Good answer
267) Message boards : Politics : Lies about WMD? (Message 1412662)
Posted 7 Sep 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
In the interests of civility, let's not call what Bush told us "lies".
Instead of "lies", let's call them "made up facts".
268) Message boards : Politics : Enforce the border........ (Message 1412612)
Posted 7 Sep 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Where do you get your information Mark?
Virtually every border in the world is passable without being shot on the spot as a matter of policy, as the three American college kids discovered last year when they crossed into Iran while hiking.
They were arrested and held for quite a while, but they were not shot.

The only places where the danger of being shot are those with ongoing tensions and military buildups at the borders, such as between North and South Korea or the old Berlin wall.

The rest of the world is not a free fire zone.
269) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Well, ya know....... (Message 1412607)
Posted 7 Sep 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
You should all know.
The kittyman will survive.

I have been through harder times than this.

I am a man, I can handle it.


Ah yes. The ancient and time honoured test of manhood known as internet forums.
You have indeed proved your manhood by enduring intensely moderated disagreements.
LOL
Thanks for the good laugh first thing in the morning :D


270) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Well, ya know....... (Message 1410843)
Posted 2 Sep 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
What?
The viper now plays the victim?

If you're going to dish it out Mark, you must be prepared to receive some in return.
271) Message boards : Cafe SETI : For the ET'S (Message 1405326)
Posted 20 Aug 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Julie
You are not mistaken, there was another post.
272) Message boards : Politics : For the U.S. Constitution (Message 1404296)
Posted 17 Aug 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Be careful guys.
I used to end up taking sabbaticals quite often because another person in Guy's position would initiate a disagreement and after several posts he'd drop out of the discussion for a bit, then pop back in to wield his hammer of justice on me.

I was sent to the woodshed while he chuckled quietly to himself at his cleverness.
273) Message boards : Politics : SNAP / Food Stamps (Message 1402494)
Posted 13 Aug 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Anything coming from Faux News should be taken with many grains of salt.
274) Message boards : Cafe SETI : I can haz cheezburger??? (Message 1400108)
Posted 7 Aug 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
This is My favorite cheeseburger, Carls Jr double bacon cheeseburger...

I haven't had one in years.


I haven't had a Carl's Jr's. burger in a LOOONG time either; however, what I like is that they flame broil, (like BK), and that they cook to order; so, the burger is fresh.

There's both a BK and a CJ within 5 min. of the house. There's an In-n-Out about 8 min from the house.



OK TimeLord04, was this intentional or just a super funny coincidence?
Everyone else measures distance in miles or kilometers. LOL
275) Message boards : Cafe SETI : I can haz cheezburger??? (Message 1399895)
Posted 7 Aug 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Just reading about cheezburgers has me craving a couple.
Eric must have superior willpower to have been that close and still walk away.

I too would have walked out with you Angela, because a principle must be upheld, but we would have stopped at the very next establishment we came across on the way home for some cheezy flavoured gut bombs.
276) Message boards : Cafe SETI : OK...another kittyman moment. (Message 1399201)
Posted 5 Aug 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I just cannot bring myself to walk on eggs with him any longer.
He's posted far too many hurtful and racist comments to simply let it go.

If no one calls him on his positions, he will continue to think he must be correct in his thinking and that will only lead deeper into the cesspool.

277) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Now I gotta ask this......... (Message 1398386)
Posted 3 Aug 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

One, if he were a friend, understands that sometimes another person has to live in another world to survive.

And, given that, I have done a well bit better to do so than some who deal with the demons I have.

You call me down, Robert.

I know you are right in many respects.

But, baby, you have not walked even an inch in my shoes.

So, best get your mind straight.

I done more, I have experienced more, than most outside of the military friends I have have done so.

Just because I try to share with you some things I have experienced in my freaking teenage years with you........

I should have known better.


Mark, I am NOT your friend. We've never met and never will meet.
Although, with the rich fantasy life you seem to be leading, you may think we spend every weekend fishing together and enjoying each other's company.

It's true that I haven't walked an inch in your shoes, but that's because I've spent my time trying to improve myself and the condition of working people via my union activities.
I haven't spent untold hours drinking my life away. I don't live in a junk filled house with a herd of cats.
I don't make stuff up to impress the gullible.

No. You can keep those shoes. I have a better path.

As for your claim that you've done more and experienced more...
How?

You've boozed more than anyone by your own admission. Where have you found time to do everything else?

Wake up to reality Mark. Look around your home at the piles of junk.
We've all seen the dusty old electronics with bags of beer and soda cans behind them.
Wake up.

You are not an important person. You do not make a difference. No one cares.


278) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Now I gotta ask this......... (Message 1398342)
Posted 3 Aug 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
What does one say after reading things like this last post?
279) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Continueing from where I left off............. (Message 1395975)
Posted 28 Jul 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Bump
I don't want this whopper to fade away too quickly
280) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Who is the king of Seti? (Message 1395852)
Posted 28 Jul 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Help! Help! I'm being repressed!


LOL
This is the ringtone on my cellphone
281) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Who is the king of Seti? (Message 1395766)
Posted 28 Jul 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I knew the Python fans would be drawn out with that one.
282) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Who is the king of Seti? (Message 1395763)
Posted 28 Jul 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
How will we know who the king is?

He's not all covered in shit.
283) Message boards : Politics : We, the people? Every American should see this. (Message 1395706)
Posted 27 Jul 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Let's just call Ted Nugent names like psychotic paranoid, a dog, insane, pant crapper, wannabe rambo, and child molester!

POWER TO THE GOVERNMENT!


People are just repeating his own words dude.


284) Message boards : Politics : We, the people? Every American should see this. (Message 1395590)
Posted 27 Jul 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Nugent is insane.
He's been a leader in the wingnut wannabe Rambo crowd but his life is a lie.
He admitted in an interview years ago that he pooped in his own pants in front of the recruiter to get out of going to Vietnam.

This is your inspirational guru? LOL
What a pair you make.
285) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Should I stay or should I go? (Message 1395587)
Posted 27 Jul 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Here we go again...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35BwwzqNb3g
286) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Continueing from where I left off............. (Message 1395585)
Posted 27 Jul 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The bit about 2 inch tape........
This is spoken about [url=] Here, by none other than Brian May........[/url]

You cannot any longer call me a liar about this bit.
I did 2 inch tape back in the 60s. Big, awesome tape decks. Rolling at 30 ips.......something that even Les Paul would have been envious of. This was a shitload of magnetic tape rolling past the heads. One take only kids. You had to get the first take right.

I linked you to the only cut I have that survives.
Sweet. This was done in my studio back then on magnetic tape on Nortornic heads on an Ampex deck at 30 ips. We only had one pass. It worked. I had tweaked the recording bias to something way outside of normal parameters. It should not really have worked.
But, it did. The guys got so wild that what the tape machine did not realize was that things were really Fd up. But, I had to go with it, and the group never realized just how messed up the tape was.
2 inch tape was about a dollar an inch. You did not throw that away.
The bit that was recorded at the time was not discarded.
I had 20 minutes or so of good time on that reel, and was not going to discard it.

This was the result.
And I have the master tape to prove it.
I also retain the rights to that tape.
There was never enough dead space on the track for anybody to detect the hiss.
The guys were just too wild.

It was copied(and you cannot possibly fathom what it took to copy a few thousand minute of 2 inch tape. An engineering feat in itself, kids.) and then forwarded to Mercury records and things took off from there.
Mercury never got the original copy. I own and retain that. They don't know that to this day. I might be sued. Or not. They got what they needed. It was so good that it did not matter. Then the guys went on to do more tracks in Merc's own studios.

I have the original tape. The decks that could play it are long worn out.

My old Scully decks cannot do 2 inch tape anymore. I wore them out years ago.

The heads would take thousands to replace. If Nortronics even would make them anymore. Custom full track 2 inch heads.......in this day and age. OMFG, I cannot even imagine. They were a few grand a pop back in MY day.

Digital sux. I miss tape hiss.........

The point is........I did what some were not able to back in my day.
Some of you do not believe me.
I did 2 inch tape, kids.

There was a magic in being able to do that at the time. There really was.
Nobody else in the world could do that back then.

Guess what other band and tune I did back then?

And this'll kill ya.'

Nothing saturared the tape like this one.

The meters were pounded and pegged every moment.

I mean EVERY moment.

Steppenwolf. Magic Carpet Ride.

Every second the meters were locked. Every second.
It was everything I could do to keep the tape saturation levels down to something acceptable. And at 30 ips......it was unbelievable what that took.
An unbelievable one time take.

[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5SuiSUbtg0]Magic Carpet.


I congratulate you on your accomplishments in the 60's Mark.
We're the same age. In 1967 we were 10, so the oldest we could have been in 1969 was 12.
While I was putting baseball cards in the spokes of my bike to make noise while I rode about my neighbourhood, you were running your own studio and bringing in big time performers.

No small feat indeed. Well done.

Please note that, as Mark requested, I did not call him a liar in this response.
287) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Should I stay or should I go? (Message 1394654)
Posted 25 Jul 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
You know that Joan Jett is waiting for you. You know she feels the same as you do but she has been afraid to admit it.

Go to the concert. Show yourself to her. Reignite the flame that once burned in both souls.

Time is running out in this life. If you don't make it happen, it never will.
Run to her.
288) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Live streaming video of bears feeding on salmon (Message 1391146)
Posted 16 Jul 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I can watch them for hours.
289) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Sometimes............ (Message 1390784)
Posted 15 Jul 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Yikes ;p
290) Message boards : Politics : You simply have to listen to this man. (Message 1390693)
Posted 14 Jul 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Well considered responses you two. LOL
291) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Live streaming video of bears feeding on salmon (Message 1390642)
Posted 14 Jul 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Check this out...

http://explore.org/#!/live-cams/player/brown-bear-salmon-cam-brooks-falls
292) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Sometimes............ (Message 1390635)
Posted 14 Jul 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

And others have stepped up to take their place.

In large part, because of my inspiration.



urp
I just threw up a little in the back of my throat.
People aren't signing in to read your next pearls of wisdom being dropped from on high, they are looking to see if you're engaged in another train wreck.
Seeing your special blend of anger and hatred, coloured by delusional, and very often booze inspired insights, is much like driving past a terrible traffic accident.
All the warning signs are there, like road flares placed by the cops, so we drive by slowly but can't help looking at the carnage.
Some people, upon seeing the carnage, will comment "Did you see that? His head came right off!".
Others feel that knot in their belly as they acknowledge the loss of life and feel sickened by the level of needless waste.

You aren't an inspiration to anyone Mark. You're a sideshow attached to the main carnival .
293) Message boards : Politics : You simply have to listen to this man. (Message 1390629)
Posted 14 Jul 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Katman has obviously never heard of the Treaty of Tripoli.

Article 11 of this document reads as follows...

"Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,—as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of Mussulmen [Muslims],—and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan [Muslim] nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

The bastardization of American history regarding this topic is not coming from liberals and progressives, it's coming from the religious right.

The statement "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,..." is as clear and concise as the English language can be.
294) Message boards : Politics : Loss of Dignity (Message 1387858)
Posted 5 Jul 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Have we let technology destroy our lives & respect for one another?

Dat Be Funny.

Family: What A Joke.

Friends: Back Stabbers.

Co-Workers: Back Stabbers.

Neighbors: Back Stabbers.

Government: ROTFLMAO

Dogs and Cats: Pain In Ass. Worth It.

Humanity: ROTFLMAO

Plants and Rocks: Pretty

Cosmos: Deadly Ugly and Beautiful.

Take Technology Away: Same Same.

Stick and Stones: Technology.

Feet and Hands: Weapons.

Mind and Mouth: Weapons.

Bound For IT IT.


What a sad, lonely world you live in.
295) Message boards : Politics : Another fine rant about illegals (Message 1385883)
Posted 29 Jun 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
296) Message boards : Politics : Another fine rant about illegals (Message 1385870)
Posted 29 Jun 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I always get a good giggle when righties start foaming at the mouth.
Immigration must have been the subject on some loony right radio program he just listened to and once again the hateful stench of Mark's special version of "I am not a racist... But..." comes spewing out of our computers.

Do you need a hug Mark?
297) Message boards : Politics : NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily - revealed (Message 1382112)
Posted 17 Jun 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
See how easy it is to become a self important bullshitter online from your basement?


Internet Tough Guy. Yeah, You Look Bad Ass in your LITTLE BOAT with its TINY Motor. ROTFLMAO.

Oh yeah. Nice Hat and Square Jaw. Tough Guy.

Bound For IT IT.


Whatever.
It's me and I put my name to everything I've ever written in here.
I'm not some anonymous troll shotgunning moronic libertarian garbage.
298) Message boards : Politics : NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily - revealed (Message 1381938)
Posted 16 Jun 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


When Bush enacted the Patriot Act (which he didn't, congress did and he agreed), we trusted he wouldn't abuse that power and had faith he'd use that power to protect the American people from another 9/11. His term expired and now we have someone else who said he'd stop it if he got elected. Well? He didn't stop it when he easily *could* have stopped it with his democrat majority in the 110th congress and now we find out he cannot be trusted with it.


This is funny. You trusted Bush but do not trust Obama with this power.
I trust neither and am on record as being opposed to the moronic and cowardly Patriot Act.




I wish I could talk more about the specifics of the implementation of the Patriot Act. I was read into multiple compartments when I was active duty (including the one that covers the topic of this thread) and all I can tell you is that we were on the "up and up" about protecting U.S. Citizen's constitutional rights the whole time I was actively participating. Since I was debriefed, we've had a change of administration and I don't know what's changed since then. My gut feeling is we've had the Patriot Act long enough and it needs to be stopped immediately. And we need to figure out other ways to try to protect the American people from another 9/11.


This is an internet forum. You can claim all of the insider knowledge you want but it doesn't make it believable.
I should know based on my own experiences as a commander in an elite special forces unit and my years as a counter espionage agent.
I still have access to secret files that even top level political leaders are not.

See how easy it is to become a self important bullshitter online from your basement?
299) Message boards : Politics : NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily - revealed (Message 1381778)
Posted 16 Jun 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Now it just comes across as a weasley effort to make the black guy look bad as you try to appear concerned about freedom.

I hope I don't get accused of making a racist comment because it isn't meant to be one, but over the pond many of us think that a fair proportion of America just didn't want a black President full stop. But these days it is very non-pc to say so.



I wasn't worried about any of your posts Chris S.
I'm just astounded at the way right wingers turn on and off as they are told to.
Where was their outrage during that idiot Bush's time in office?

300) Message boards : Politics : NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily - revealed (Message 1381776)
Posted 16 Jun 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Taken from the Free Julian Assange site...

Given all the recent "revelations" about the NSA listening in on conversations, I've been walking around shaking my head in wonderment. As someone who specializes in system security, I've been telling people for at least the past two years that the NSA has been doing this for years, and now people are acting all shocked, shocked I tell you, about it. C'mon folks... we don't live in wonderland. Don't act all surprised and hurt and offended about it now. You decided to allow this to happen a long time ago when you forgot to protest the Patriot act. You allowed this to happen when you didn't call for Bush Jr, Cheney, Rumsfeld and Rice's indictments as war criminals. You allowed this to happen when you didn't howl for Reagan and Bush Sr. impeachment and arrest for their involvement in the Iran-Contra business. You allowed it to happen when you screamed for the head of a President who got a blow job in the oval office (as if he were the first to get his rocks off there) instead of throwing Oliver North in Guantanamo. Every time we've failed to indict a political criminal in this country, we've been giving the school bully a little bit more of our lunch money. And now we're carrying his books back and forth to school and you're all shocked?

Realize a few basic truths: Capitalism does not equal Patriotism and if a corporation is a person, then every employee in that corporation from the CEO to the janitor, should be subject to the same scrutiny as you and I. Every "secret" corporate memo is in fact subject to surveillance just as your and my phone calls and emails are. Being an American means being rewarded for hard work and showing the rest of the world that individual achievement is only truly possible when all are given the opportunity. That's the "American Way" that built this country. Being an American does not mean being rewarded because your daddy is rich or because you're more clever at screwing someone over or because you've conned a bunch of poor people in the backwoods that they are temporarily discommoded millionaires.

Given the definition of "American" as it applied to the pre-Kennedy era, there is a great shortage of Americans in the United States of America today. We have become a loose coalition of warring tribes, jealous of each others fortunes, and falsely claiming our moral and economic superiority over the rest of the world while being totally lacking in moral courage and blithely ignorant of the disdain with which we are held by the majority of the rest of the world... not because we are wealthy and have something they don't - neither of these things being true - but because we are hypocritical enough to claim that we are the standard bearers of democracy and the true warriors of liberty, when in reality we have sacrificed our republic for the sake of a cancerous economic ideology and sold our birthright of freedom for empty words and a smile from Representatives who we should be taking to task for betraying the ideals of liberty. We ought to be ashamed of ourselves, but I don't think we have the courage to do so, much less the courage to make the changes necessary to earn the sobriquet: "American."

...
I wrote the other post before coming across this one.
301) Message boards : Politics : NSA collecting phone records of millions of Americans daily - revealed (Message 1381767)
Posted 16 Jun 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Hey! Right wingers!
Where was all the hand wringing back when Bush and Cheney brought in the "Patriot Act"?
Where was all the angst? Where were the questions over the loss of liberties and freedoms?
Nothing has changed since the Bush administration started this shit.

Yeah, I'm angry that both our governments are acting like peeping toms. I'm angry about the collection of more data than they can ever use and I'm angry that there's been no uproar over it.

Along with my anger, I'm also pissed off at you rightists making all these squeaking noises after the frigging fact.
The time to squeak with conviction was back in the Bush/Cheney days. Now it just comes across as a weasley effort to make the black guy look bad as you try to appear concerned about freedom.
302) Message boards : Cafe SETI : The Kitty Electric. (Message 1381282)
Posted 14 Jun 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I've written several versions of a response to this thread and deleted them all.
It ain't worth it.
303) Message boards : Politics : Oh Canada! (Message 1381275)
Posted 14 Jun 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
So it's not about French dislike of the monarchy, rather it's a test of the Canadian Constitution and the power of the provinces.

"The irony is palpable: Sovereigntists are basing a challenge to the federal government, and an attempt to shore up Quebec’s veto, on the argument that the monarch is the “Queen of Quebec.”"

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/commentary/you-say-succession-i-say-secession/article12523154/
304) Message boards : Politics : Oh Canada! (Message 1379642)
Posted 11 Jun 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www2.macleans.ca/2009/07/14/queen-costs-us-more-than-the-brits-pay/

From the article...
According to the latest figures out of Buckingham Palace, while Canadians are shelling out $1.53 per capita, the British are only paying about $1.32. And the Monarchist League’s own numbers show the Canadian cost is skyrocketing. Over just the last 10 years, the per capita bill for supporting the monarchist framework— including expenses incurred by the royal clan on Canadian soil, as well as the cost of running the offices of the Governor General and our 10 provincial lieutenant-governors—has more than doubled.
305) Message boards : Politics : Oh Canada! (Message 1379518)
Posted 10 Jun 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
$50,147,000 was spent during the 2006-07 year.

I didn't do an extensive search, but that $50 million has most certainly increased since 2007.
If Canadians are paying tens of millions toward supporting the monarchy, I think those same citizens have the right to voice an opinion.

Personally, I would rather keep the cash in Canada and agree that the Windsors can do whatever they want in their own country.
As it stands, Canadian citizens still have the right to intervene and they are exercising that right.
Franco or Anglo in heritage means nothing in this discussion because the monarchy accepts the cheques from us without questioning ancestries.
306) Message boards : Politics : The success of the current regime (Message 1375635)
Posted 2 Jun 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Nixon was old school dealing with a Democrat majority in both the house and senate. His downfall was trying to figure out how to deal with them and stepped over the line. His administration was a failure because he got caught.


In a nutshell, this quote describes the authoritarian right to anyone unfamiliar with American politics.

Nixon rode into office on a wave of fear. Fear of enemies outside and inside. The Commies, the hippies, the progressives, all were to be feared because they would bring America to it's knees if a strong authoritarian father figure wasn't in the White House.
That same father figure broke the law by having the Democratic headquarters broken into by his henchmen.
Nixon then went on to lie to the American people about his crimes.

Guy thinks Nixon's only shortcoming was that he was caught. The fact that his boy Nixon was a criminal and should have been doing time in prison after his impeachment is glossed over as unimportant.
Nixon was a paranoid whackjob who convinced the citizens that were stirred into fear by the rightists to support his crazy visions of the world.

If Guy was a fish, he'd have been reeled in long ago.

307) Message boards : Politics : The success of the current regime (Message 1375086)
Posted 2 Jun 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
C'mon Guy
3 people out of how many thousands of government employees?
You righties are getting that crazed look in your eyes again.
Sit down, take a few calming breaths... now, think things through to their logical conclusion.
There. See?
Everything is better.
308) Message boards : Politics : The success of the current regime (Message 1374948)
Posted 1 Jun 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
IRS Partying like there's no tomorrow.

On MY DIME.



Not much meat on that bone
309) Message boards : Cafe SETI : I should say something here....... (Message 1374754)
Posted 1 Jun 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
You keep claiming that we're going to miss you when you're gone, but you never leave.
310) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Angela's Birthday Pun Thread!!! (Message 1371610)
Posted 25 May 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Happy Birthday Angela.
I hope EK did something special for you today... you deserve it.
311) Message boards : Politics : Behold HIS MIGHTY Hand (Message 1369906)
Posted 20 May 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Shudap

http://www.thedailydolt.com/2012/09/13/%e2%80%8bdon%e2%80%8bald%e2%80%8b-ru%e2%80%8bmsf%e2%80%8beld%e2%80%8b-as%e2%80%8bser%e2%80%8bts-%e2%80%8bemb%e2%80%8bass%e2%80%8by-a%e2%80%8btta%e2%80%8bcks%e2%80%8b-du%e2%80%8be-t%e2%80%8bo-p/
312) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Johnny,Johnny, where for art though Johnny Guinness ? (Message 1366881)
Posted 11 May 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Perhaps Johnny was just a shared delusion experienced by all of us as a result of EK's evil experiment in controlling our minds through SETI@Home.

Quickly! Everyone wrap your computers in tinfoil and watch the skies!
313) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy 44th Birthday Blurf!!! (Message 1366835)
Posted 11 May 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
44?
I have high school wrestling T-shirts older than you. LOL
Happy Birthday Blurf
314) Message boards : Politics : Hey, Second Amendment Lunatics! Think About This: (Message 1359512)
Posted 21 Apr 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Hey, Second Amendment Lunatics! Think About This:


Published On April 21, 2013 | By Veruca |




by Steve Marmel


The entire city of Boston was under martial law the last few days. You get that, right? MARTIAL LAW.In a cameras-everywhere society, we went from tragedy to identification to capture in less than five days. And to make that happen, the full-force of the government came in, shut down a major metropolitan area, instituted a no-fly zone, flooded the place with troops and technology and locked it down until it completed it’s mission.Think about that, screaming gun lunatic with more weapons than friends, the next time you think your 100 clip magazine and fourteen guns can protect you from a determined military. Your “Red Dawn” fantasy is laughable. Think about that the next time there’s a school shooting that could have been prevented by a ban or minimized by regulating clip-size but wasn’t because of you or the fearful twit in the Senate that represents you. Think about that when some mentally unstable person gets his weaponry from a gun show without the simplest of background checks, and tears apart dozens or hundreds of lives.My views on the issue haven’t changed in the last week. I want sensible gun reform and will continue to fight for it. I stand with 90% of Americans and against the senators who are in the pocket of the NRA. You, on the other hand, got a big lesson on just how sad and defenseless you would be if Obama – or ANY President – truly was the dictator you fear.

You wouldn’t last two days.
315) Message boards : Politics : Good News; God created all Living things! (Message 1359177)
Posted 21 Apr 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Those who study the book, say the Earth is 6,000 years old.
There are human relics older than that... so... the bible is not relying on a history older than us.
316) Message boards : Politics : Nevmind............ (Message 1359141)
Posted 21 Apr 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
+1
317) Message boards : Politics : Good News; God created all Living things! (Message 1359137)
Posted 21 Apr 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Hey Johnney
Is there any mention of microbial life in the magic book of true history and all knowledge?
I think microbes deserve their own chapter as they are the dominant form of life on this planet.
Hell, as a biomass, they outweigh all other lifeforms combined in pure tonnage.


I'm still here Johnney.
An answer to this would certainly go a long way toward making your case in this thread.
318) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Anything goes thead......almost. (Message 1358815)
Posted 20 Apr 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
... and some of us are consistent in what we think.
319) Message boards : Politics : Nevmind............ (Message 1358813)
Posted 20 Apr 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Once more, into the abyss.
Bye bye Mark.
320) Message boards : Politics : interesting gun facts (Message 1358623)
Posted 19 Apr 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Once you teach the populace to ignore gun laws, you can take them away.

And once you have done that, you can trace your history to Hitler.


This is not rhetoric. This, my friends, is history.

Take the guns, then the country, then their totalitairy.
I have some history with this.


Your history is wrong.
Do you ever even try to confirm anything Mark? Hitler did NOT take all of the guns away from the people.

321) Message boards : Politics : Good News; God created all Living things! (Message 1358345)
Posted 19 Apr 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Nice deflection. Well done.
322) Message boards : Politics : interesting gun facts (Message 1358152)
Posted 18 Apr 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Dear gun kooks,
Here's something to cling to as you hide in the basement waiting for the government to kick in your door...

http://theeverlastinggopstoppers.com/2013/03/letter-nra-parents-children-die/
323) Message boards : Politics : Good News; God created all Living things! (Message 1358145)
Posted 18 Apr 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thank goodness we have Brainiacs today like Robert Waite to set out a righteous path for us.


It was a simple question Sarge. Why wouldn't the creator of the universe and all life within it have something to say about microbes?

After all, those microbes that the creator saw fit to place here with us are the source of so many of our illnesses.
If the invisible man in the sky had time to spell out what to eat and what not to eat, if he had time to tell us how to treat our wives, children and slaves, why not take a moment to tell us about microbes and the functions they provide in the grand scheme?
324) Message boards : Politics : Good News; God created all Living things! (Message 1357978)
Posted 18 Apr 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Trial and error I'm guessing.
It wouldn't take the equivalent of a rocket scientist to figure out that cleanliness would lead to better health. Kind of the same way westerners did it before they could actually see the microbes.
325) Message boards : Politics : interesting gun facts (Message 1357977)
Posted 18 Apr 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
parents should be responsible for their children and quit coddling them. if a parent protects their child and doesn't report their mental problems to the state and their child kills more then ~6 children in an act of violence, then the parents should go to jail for LIFE. if the parents report the child, then they are not responsible. since obama care says children can be on the parents insurance up to the age of 26, then let that be the cut off date.

i would even like to go a step further and throw three generations of the family in jail for life, of the chair.

just leave my guns alone...


I'm not your Daddy, but I feel the need to report you.
326) Message boards : Politics : Good News; God created all Living things! (Message 1357847)
Posted 17 Apr 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
"The problem with appreciating microbes is that they are invisible, Dr. Woese said. But they make up at least 80 percent or perhaps even 90 percent of the biomass. In terms of living protoplasm, he said, microbes outweigh all plants, insects and animals."

I've heard this from many different sources over the years. The quote is from the article the link will take you to.

http://www.nytimes.com/1996/10/15/science/microbial-life-s-steadfast-champion.html

327) Message boards : Politics : Good News; God created all Living things! (Message 1357226)
Posted 15 Apr 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


It says that God created all the living creatures. It says God created the Birds that fly in the air and the Fish that swim in the sea.



Hey Johnney
Is there any mention of microbial life in the magic book of true history and all knowledge?
I think microbes deserve their own chapter as they are the dominant form of life on this planet.
Hell, as a biomass, they outweigh all other lifeforms combined in pure tonnage.
328) Message boards : Cafe SETI : arghhhhhhhhhhh. (Message 1356489)
Posted 13 Apr 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

There has never been anybody on another planet that cared so much that they would offer their life for all others.


You seem to discount those who've thrown themselves down over a grenade, run into a burning building, stepped in front of a bullet or any number of ways to sacrifice one's self for total strangers in the attempt to save lives.

I'll bet none of them cried out "Father! Why have you forsaken me?" at the moment of death.
329) Message boards : Politics : Good News; God created all Living things! (Message 1356485)
Posted 13 Apr 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Very soon now, everyone will know. We are only a handful of years away from the great day of the Lord God almighty. The whole world will know who and what God really is, even the atheists, nobody will be excluded. Everyone will find out precisely what happened in the distant past. It will all become clear, and it will happen very very quickly. Those who put their trust in God will be rewarded.


So Johnney, I am forced to assume that as true believers, both msattler and yourself will be selling everything you own and giving it all to the foodbank.

That would be absolute proof that you truly believe the rapture is coming... but neither of you will dare to take that opportunity because in reality, the faith of "so called" believers is as shallow as piss on a plate.
330) Message boards : Politics : Ayatollah Lovin' InsaneHustlin'Hussein Workin' Wif Da Tollahs, but No Talkin' or Dealin' wif Da Pukes to Get Country Rolla. Jeez 'O Flip. Did I Type Dat? (Message 1354501)
Posted 7 Apr 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Feel free to print this thread
331) Message boards : Politics : I have told you about this for a long, long time, my friends. (Message 1354491)
Posted 7 Apr 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Having both agreed to this, we have to also agree that your belief that this piece of paper cannot pay taxes should also work in the reverse.

And it does. It simply sits in a safe.

The piece of paper should also be unable to pay shareholders, CEO's, board members, employees and various suppliers, contractors, etc...
But somehow, it does. The piece of paper performs the very act you say is impossible.

The piece of paper does none of those things. Humans do them.

And you were so close to understanding, but you got caught not understanding what a corporation is. A corporation is a piece of paper with writing and some official stamps upon it. It sits inanimate in a safe. Its purpose is to memorialize a fiduciary duty between humans. One of the official stamps upon it authorizes, or grants license, from the government - of the people, by the people, for the people (sounds like humans) - to the fiduciary duty or trust, to use a name and conduct business with a limitation on liability to the humans owed the fiduciary duty. From there humans do it as they are the only things on the planet capable of paying taxes. Well at least until the dolphins get a seat at the UN.



Corporations are not a piece of paper. The paper is simply the medium on which the rules of incorporation are written.
It's this line of thinking that allows the corporate pigs to escape responsibility for their acts of aggression toward the environment, government and the people.

This line of escaping responsibility is the result of selfish and greedy humans writing into law the ability to protect themselves from being held accountable for their own actions.

As you've stated here, humans do indeed control what happens as a corporation.
The corporation is a human invention. The corporation is a business model and subject to human rules.
If those human rules dictate that corporations will pay high taxes, then damn it, corporations will pay high taxes.

Just as they did before Reagan. Just as the wealthy pampered elites did before Reagan.
332) Message boards : Politics : Ayatollah Lovin' InsaneHustlin'Hussein Workin' Wif Da Tollahs, but No Talkin' or Dealin' wif Da Pukes to Get Country Rolla. Jeez 'O Flip. Did I Type Dat? (Message 1354478)
Posted 7 Apr 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
LOL B&ENB

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wars_involving_the_United_States

It seems that the US has had "issues" with every country on Earth at some point.
I don't recall seeing Iceland on the list but I'm sure it's just a matter of time.

So, the rest of the world owes you something for spending more on weapons of destruction and death than you do on everything thing else in your federal budget?

No one loves your weapons and those who've become ensnared inside the trap of your "tax dollars" will never get out of debt due to the terms of borrowing.

The world owes you nothing. Get real.
333) Message boards : Politics : I have told you about this for a long, long time, my friends. (Message 1354476)
Posted 7 Apr 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


I have yet to see a piece of paper pay a tax. It would be a neat trick for it to do so. Heck I have never seen one even open a checking account.



The problem one encounters when trying to discuss issues like this with people like you Gary, is everything you say is twisted around itself so tightly that it becomes too much a bother to even try to understand.

I'll try just a little with this one comment of yours.

The piece of paper you refer to is in fact a multi billion dollar self contained organization, with no public accountability for what goes on inside it's boardroom.
Having both agreed to this, we have to also agree that your belief that this piece of paper cannot pay taxes should also work in the reverse.
The piece of paper should also be unable to pay shareholders, CEO's, board members, employees and various suppliers, contractors, etc...
But somehow, it does. The piece of paper performs the very act you say is impossible.
Oh, and how does this piece of paper make most of these payments you ask?

Good question. It sends a cheque.
Yes. Another impossibility happening right before your eyes.

While it seems you are very wrong about the ability of the piece of paper to cut cheques or pay taxes. I encourage you to keep working on your argument until it holds water.
Good luck with that.
334) Message boards : Politics : I have told you about this for a long, long time, my friends. (Message 1354434)
Posted 7 Apr 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
LOL
I don't know about the parliamentary system being the best Glenn.
We have a very right wing conservative government presently in power here in Canada.
They support Big Oil and deny global warming while making plans for arctic shipping lanes which will be open due to the loss of ice.
They pulled out of the Kyoto Accord, which was signed by the previous governing Liberal Party.
They've just pulled out of the UN desertification talks which is another way of denying global warming.
Many members of the federal cabinet are known to be religious, speaking in tongues fanatics and certain religious groups have direct access clearance to the office of the Prime Minister, which is astounding. That level of access is usually reserved for CEO's and other big shots with pockets full of money.
They are buying weapons like crazed warlords.

All this, in a parliamentary system where they received 38% of the vote in the last federal election which gave them a majority of seats.

335) Message boards : Cafe SETI : arghhhhhhhhhhh. (Message 1354271)
Posted 7 Apr 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
So you got laid by JJ?
A real gentleman would keep that locked in the vault as a prized and pleasant memory.
Why do you have to spout it to the world to such a degree that you are tossed out of so many sites?
Is there nothing you can be trusted to keep between two people?
336) Message boards : Politics : I have told you about this for a long, long time, my friends. (Message 1354269)
Posted 7 Apr 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Stop groaning about your tax burden while supporting tax cuts to the corporate pigs and the pampered wealthy elites.


The Pigs and Pampered are The Takers/Entitlement Vacuumers/Grant Eaters/Aid Addicts/Bacon Lovers and Other Peace Prize Pitiful Voters/Takers Of US Dough of The USA. This would include Foreign Peoples and Countries Slopping at The US Taxpayer Trough.

Time For The USA to Collect Protection Monies from The Protected.

Oink. Follow Da Bacon.

Bound For It.


The Takers are Big Oil, General Electric and every other corporate entity that actually receives tax subsidies from the public teet.

Entitlement Vacuumers are the same group.

Grants are such a small portion that you are stretching the limits to try and make a case.

Aid addicts are your corporate farms and equipment makers who actually receive the "so called" foriegn aid.

The rest of this post is nonsense.
337) Message boards : Politics : I have told you about this for a long, long time, my friends. (Message 1354266)
Posted 7 Apr 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Corporations don't pay tax. Never have, never will. The people who buy stuff from corporations pay tax.


I am tired of hearing that line Gary. That's like saying citizens don't pay taxes because they receive their income from an employer who must pay them enough to allow them to afford taxes.

If corporations don't pay taxes, why do the selfish bastards keep lobbying to drive their tax contributions down?
Why do they move to tax havens? Why do they move their head office to Dubai?

Mark is making squeaking noises about his tax burden, which, before Reagan started his war on working people, was a much smaller percentage of total government revenue. He, and everyone else who isn't in the high income bracket, pays more because the corporate pigs and the pampered wealthy elites pay less.
338) Message boards : Politics : I have told you about this for a long, long time, my friends. (Message 1354199)
Posted 6 Apr 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Stop groaning about your tax burden while supporting tax cuts to the corporate pigs and the pampered wealthy elites. SHEESH

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151376530806275&set=a.180479986274.135777.177486166274&type=1&ref=nf
339) Message boards : Politics : I have told you about this for a long, long time, my friends. (Message 1354189)
Posted 6 Apr 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Mark, you know that isn't true by any stretch of the imagination, so why do you cling to it?
The polling stations aren't just wide open to whomever wants to walk in and cast a ballot.

Rightists have been blathering about voter fraud for years, yet there are never more than a couple of instances every election. It's not a factor in any outcomes.
Hell, most of the voter fraud I've heard of is attributed to republican voters like that horrible woman Ann Coulter.
340) Message boards : Cafe SETI : There might be reasons....... (Message 1354170)
Posted 6 Apr 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhTVSatyN90
341) Message boards : Politics : I have told you about this for a long, long time, my friends. (Message 1354167)
Posted 6 Apr 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

It's reported than more than 50 BILLION dollars will be required to support the illegals that voted for Obama and his amnesty shall require.




"Illegals" are allowed to vote in the US?
I'm bringing every lefty I can find and we're voting in the next US federal election.

342) Message boards : Cafe SETI : And I suppose you really do not know. (Message 1353823)
Posted 5 Apr 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
These posts are getting very Norman-like.
343) Message boards : Politics : Carlin. (Message 1350797)
Posted 26 Mar 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
When one lives in Canada, everything below the 49th is south.
344) Message boards : Politics : Carlin. (Message 1350619)
Posted 25 Mar 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
If I can survive our Canadian Prime Minister with his version of Christiofascist militaristic corporate rule, I'm pretty sure that getting through Obama will be a piece of cake for those of you dreaming of a rightist insurrection down south.
345) Message boards : Politics : Carlin. (Message 1350402)
Posted 25 Mar 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Teabaggers are so cute when they get to sputtering their crazed nonsense.

Blah Blah Blah shoot the Mexicans
Blah Blah Blah we righties are gonna rise up in a mass insurrection.
Blah Blah Blah the election was stolen
Blah Blah Blah I really love you other crazy righties man

You never cease to brighten my day when you start raving.
I can see the foamy spittle forming in the corners of your mouth :)
346) Message boards : Politics : The Night Watchman (Message 1350401)
Posted 25 Mar 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Corporations Do Indeed Suck.

But, What A Way For The Little Guy To MAKE A PILE.

Go Long, Short, Options, Futures, Etc. Etc. Etc.

Oh Yeah. A Pile Of Frakking Mooooo-La.

Haven't Joined In? Pitiful.

There Is Always Dat Guv Job.

Wall Street Corporate Bacon IS MUCH MORE TASTY.

Yum.

Bound For It.


How much does the average Joe have available to risk in the casino known as the stock market?
That's right, bugger all.
Even if someone has $10,000 to play with and they actually win the crap shoot and double their money. What are they going to do with $20,000? Retire? LOL
So, they risk it all again and somehow come up with the same good luck to double their money once more.
Are they set for life with $40,000. Of course not.
Joe Blow's luck then runs out and he's lost it all... of course his friggin' broker has pocketed a share of Joe's money with every transaction, so at least he's happy as he plays with other people's money.

The stock market is the biggest suckers game since three card monte.

347) Message boards : Politics : The Night Watchman (Message 1350243)
Posted 24 Mar 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.examiner.com/article/don-t-blame-the-president-who-you-should-really-blame-for-rising-gas-prices

Here you go Mark
348) Message boards : Politics : The Night Watchman (Message 1350236)
Posted 24 Mar 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
"Government is the shadow cast by business over society" - John Dewey

The corporatists have spent billions of dollars toward propaganda trying to focus the blame onto governments.
It seems to have worked on many of you.

Yes, governments set regulations. But. we've allowed the pampered greedy wealthy elites and the corporate sector the chance to control individual members of government with massive campaign contributions.
The US is a business controlled society.
Be angry with the corporations and get even by supporting the move to finance political campaigns with public money. Take away the opportunity to corrupt government by use of massive contributions from private sources.
349) Message boards : Politics : The Night Watchman (Message 1350036)
Posted 24 Mar 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I always laugh out loud when extreme right government haters claim they have the inside story because they spent their lives in the public service.
If that's true, they are now sucking at the public service pension teet while talking shite about the structure that allowed them to make a living.

Teabaggers need to be dipped in boiling water.
350) Message boards : Politics : Colored glasses (Message 1347514)
Posted 17 Mar 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Does that mean my swirly X-ray glasses make me look naked?
351) Message boards : Politics : I suppose it's true. (Message 1346520)
Posted 14 Mar 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
According to Newsweek, you aren't even in the top 10.
It's no big deal over where a country is ranked as long as the people living in that country are happy.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2010/08/15/interactive-infographic-of-the-worlds-best-countries.html
352) Message boards : Cafe SETI : I do not understand. (Message 1345035)
Posted 10 Mar 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

You might remember this day, when it all comes down.

I was the kittyman. I was the one. I carried the torch of truth, no matter how much it hurt me. I was the one.

See ya, kids.


Mark,
What is it you think you are contributing to the fabric of society or to the betterment of mankind by posting these slow motion train wrecks?

When all is said and done, you will just be some guy who used to be here. Some guy that 99.9% of the members never met in person, never talked to over the telephone and never made a human connection with.
You are just another faceless entity posting opinions based on the mood of the moment. There's nothing deep or revealing about your personal insights, there's nothing illuminating about your positions on immigration, race, sex and a myriad of other topics you've monologued on over the past several years.

Now we are to believe that you are the one. You are the Alpha and the Omega.
That guy from the Matrix.
Whatever.
353) Message boards : Cafe SETI : I suddenly feel old. (Message 1342308)
Posted 2 Mar 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
1973 wasn't a bad year at all for music...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vc2r3tpJjpQ
354) Message boards : Cafe SETI : A General Discussion of Phobias (Message 1339260)
Posted 17 Feb 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I do not enjoy take off's and landings, but I usually settle down once the plane is up there.
355) Message boards : Cafe SETI : I know, I always ask these quetions nobody wishes or dares to...... (Message 1339077)
Posted 17 Feb 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
If I told you the flavour you'd end up fixating on it, so I'll just leave it to your hyperactive imagination.
356) Message boards : Cafe SETI : I know, I always ask these quetions nobody wishes or dares to...... (Message 1338908)
Posted 16 Feb 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


I am gonna make a damned good try at making the footlights, at least.


When a nobody makes a play at becoming famous or well known, it almost always turns out to be a bad thing for others.
It seems that mundane, faceless grey people who try and make their "mark" in the world tend to be very noncreative in their choices,
That's how they end up simply choosing to do something mindbogglingly over the top stupid.

Good luck with that "Mark"
357) Message boards : Cafe SETI : I know, I always ask these quetions nobody wishes or dares to...... (Message 1338735)
Posted 16 Feb 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo10xdN2Rds
358) Message boards : Cafe SETI : I know, I always ask these quetions nobody wishes or dares to...... (Message 1338732)
Posted 16 Feb 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
There are still evil men and valiant men.
I should hope you would consider me the latter.
Point is......and this could take a while.

When I leave this earthly plane, all I know and all I have learned shall be lost, like Tears in the Rain.

Except for this fact.
When I go, everything, every single word. Is now, and shall be as long as they are online, saved in the Seti servers. I have posted more details about my life than I have told to the one I love, Lori, here online.
In my darkest hours, many things I have shared, some to the bottom of my soul.
They are stored here forever. I can't erase them, nor would wish to.
I shared them once, and they are shared forever......or at least as long as the Seti project lives.

Did you know, that by clicking on my username and posts.......or by going to advanced search and putting in my 421968 area code, you can see every post I have ever made?
It's a rather amazing compilation.

Some understudy student should be tasked to make a timeline of the kittyman.
It might be a daunting journey.

And I suppose, in the recesses of my mind, that's what I have been doing. Archiving my life for future generations to access. What I have done, what I should NOT have done. It's all there, kitties.

Like they said of the old men in Second Hand Lions........
Yeah, he did REALLY live. Not much more I could ask. I too, shall go out with my boots on.

I had to do everything I did to make me who I am today. My stories are my legacy to you......
And they are true......LOL. The JJ stories, the car stories, the whiskey, all of it, it was true.
My legacy was true.
I happen to be only about 5'9".........but I have put down men many times my size that did not know what a man posessed by kitties could do.
I don't take young punks or fools lightly. He's just a young kid, don't kill him, Hub.
You mods should be just happy sometimes that I take on four of you at once, and hand you back your knife. I did not always do that in my younger years......take heed. These days I am more inclined to take a .45 out of my belt and just put you down rather than to enhance your manhood. Not what I would like, but I am just getting too tired and old to put up with your BS.


But, I suppose my footprint on the life shall not ever be totally forgotten, especially like the few I have touched personally, like our dear Julie.

I had a virtual crush on her when she first appeared on these forums, with an avatar she no longer shows. BTW, Julie.......it's time you showed it again.
But, anyway, I had many interchanges with her passed husband Sebastian, who was very jealous of my 'relationship' with Julie....
Which, as I said, was a simple and virtual one. Sebastian and I came to terms and shook hands shortly before his passing.

@Julie...
The kitties still love you, and I know this has been a hard couple of weeks for you. Strength, support here, and the love of God be with you. Most do not know what we have shared.


I think you have a well developed sense of self worth.
You've used SETI@Home to archive your life. Now future generations can marvel at the wonder that was msattler.

Get a grip Mark.
A man's gotta know his limitations. I push snow around for a living while you put wires in firetrucks.
Neither of us is going to be of interest to future generations, but only one of us realizes that fact.
359) Message boards : Politics : Be Prepared (Message 1337013)
Posted 11 Feb 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
At what age did you make your sexual choice to be straight ID?
Are you actually going to tell us it was a coin toss for you?

C'mon man, that argument is long dead.
You keep calling yourself a constitutionalist but you won't allow gay citizens the opportunity to exercise the pursuit of happiness for themselves.

You and Mark worship an evil beast for a god. What kind of supreme being, with full knowledge of all future events, creates people with contrary sexual preferences?

Screw him. I'll do time on his damned meat rack in hell before I'd kiss his arse to open the pearly gates for hate filled lifeforms like yourselves while sending decent people to eternal agony for loving the same sex.

I'll also do time on that meat rack to avoid spending eternity with the likes of you two.
360) Message boards : Politics : Be Prepared (Message 1336708)
Posted 10 Feb 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Es, you tread a very fine line.
Nothing Mark has said in this thread could be inferred as being offensive to anyone, straight or gay, unless they have the most paranoid of dispositions.


I disagree TA.
Much of what Mark said is offensive. He's blamed the decline in our culture as a result of society's move toward acceptance.
He's also quite clearly against allowing gay kids to enjoy activities the rest of us enjoyed as youngsters.
Mark wants to return to a time where no one varied from the cookie cutter images and it's not acceptable.

Society and culture are changing msattler, so get used to it or get out of the way.
361) Message boards : Politics : so·cial·ism (Message 1336463)
Posted 10 Feb 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
ID
You have no idea of the differences between political systems.
Equating socialism to fascism has to be the most asinine position I've ever seen someone take in these forums.
You are so confused by rhetoric that you make no sense at all.

Why do the most opinionated people seemingly base those opinions on made up facts?
362) Message boards : Politics : so·cial·ism (Message 1336413)
Posted 9 Feb 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
so·cial·ism (ssh-lzm)
n.
1. Any of various theories or systems of social organization in which the means of producing and distributing goods is owned collectively or by a centralized government that often plans and controls the economy.


And to you this seems wrong?
I'd love to see the people owning their own resources and the means of production.
Who would better control the economy? The people, through honest and unbought politicians who are accountable directly to those same people, or profiteers working in secrecy in corporate boardrooms where citizens have no input or control in matters of the national economy?
363) Message boards : Politics : so·cial·ism (Message 1336408)
Posted 9 Feb 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
No, China doesn't own the US quite yet...
http://globalpublicsquare.blogs.cnn.com/2011/07/21/who-owns-america-hint-its-not-china/
364) Message boards : Politics : When are Christians going to start standing up for God......... (Message 1336405)
Posted 9 Feb 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


We have the right to freedom of speech in this country. This is fully expressed in the allowance of Porn in print as well as on the web. Some places on the web are a little backward and don't FULLY understand such things as our Bill of Rights. Just a little fact I thought Id let you in on....{smile}


Why don't you share some of your favorite porn sites ID?
You seem like the type who'd have quite a list of online sources to compliment your print porn collection.
365) Message boards : Politics : When are Christians going to start standing up for God......... (Message 1336229)
Posted 9 Feb 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
+1
366) Message boards : Politics : When are Christians going to start standing up for God......... (Message 1336001)
Posted 9 Feb 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://samuel-warde.com/2013/02/living-on-a-prayer/
367) Message boards : Politics : When are Christians going to start standing up for God......... (Message 1335836)
Posted 8 Feb 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Your god is a big boy, he can stand up for himself.
368) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Another magic kittyman moment......... (Message 1326873)
Posted 11 Jan 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Insecticides
Insecticides
Insecticides

There is the answer
369) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Joan Marie Larken. (Message 1325547)
Posted 7 Jan 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Mark
I ask you to consider that you just might be obsessing on this subject.
When you start freaking out kids working at the gas station over JJ, you might be going too far.
370) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Joan Marie Larken. (Message 1325373)
Posted 6 Jan 2013 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Has she ever had you served with a restraining order?
371) Message boards : Politics : What did God do before creation? (Message 1322409)
Posted 30 Dec 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
So, just what did God do before creating the universe?
Was he just floating in nothingness?
Are we the creation of a bored supreme being?

Before everything began, there was nothing. Not even time and space.
What was God up to in the before time?

Wouldn't an eternity of solitude in nothingness drive any intelligent mind insane?
Are we the product of madness?


This was my original question. It seems straight forward enough to me, so why am I receiving notices of lockdowns on this thread?
I don't blame the mods, they aren't the one's who aren't getting along in here.

Religion claims to have all of the answers, science does not make such claims.
Science has no answer to what happened before time and space erupted from a singularity. This does not mean science will never know the answer but for now it's an unknown.

I'm still interested in what religious believers think their god was doing before creation? I don't care which god you follow.

372) Message boards : Cafe SETI : As you must know.......... (Message 1320055)
Posted 26 Dec 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
So much for the good Christian sentiments of the season.
373) Message boards : Politics : Firearms. Who or what is dangerous? (Message 1319001)
Posted 22 Dec 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


They didn't have to. They just waged guerrilla warfare and won. The oldest tacitic in the world.

Yes, they won. And we fell for it just like the USSR did.


America is there. The invasion was not turned back.
The guy in a cave did not win... BECAUSE HE'S LIVING IN A CAVE!

Is that your idea of victory? Is that the ideal you aspire to with your precious 2nd amendment? To hide in a cave for the rest of your life seems like defeat to me.
374) Message boards : Politics : Firearms. Who or what is dangerous? (Message 1318921)
Posted 22 Dec 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Does ID really think by squatting in a cave in the woods with that rifle, he will stave off the US army or a foreign invasion of troops using the latest military technology?


Al Queda is doing it right now in Afghanistan.


Really? They've stopped an invasion of their country?
375) Message boards : Politics : Firearms. Who or what is dangerous? (Message 1318917)
Posted 22 Dec 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
This ID dude is seriously thinking that guys in the woods with guns are an army.

What good will a deer rifle do against heat-seeking, laser and satellite guided armed drones?
Does ID really think by squatting in a cave in the woods with that rifle, he will stave off the US army or a foreign invasion of troops using the latest military technology?

Pull your head out of your arse man! Do rightists ever think anything through to it's conclusion?
376) Message boards : Politics : I think some from other countries do not underand our bill of rights. (Message 1318670)
Posted 22 Dec 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Chris, it's not a quandary, at least in this country, it's becoming a bit of a battle between Obama's government and the almost half this country that voted against him.

I don't know ho6w it's gonna all
turn out, but either way, it shall not lead to peace in my time.

A recent thread was simply shredded by folks wanting to force their own agendas on others.\\

I posted my thoughts. I did not spear anybody.


I TOLD you......I am a Patriot.


The voter turn out was approx 57.5% of eligible voters.
I'll round that number off to 60%, which means that less than 30% voted as you claim. Less than a third of the population, not half.
You do not have the support you think you do for your crazy express to the revolution.
377) Message boards : Politics : NRA and school security. (Message 1318665)
Posted 22 Dec 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Some schools wont be about to pony up that kind of cash for a fulltime employee.

I Okay with it if they can afford it. If not, arm the janitor/anyone who can pass the training. But MANY need to be armed.


Hey ID
I thought you were a believer.
Why are you promoting going against the will of your own god? If the invisible man in the clouds wants school kids dead, why do you want to put security in the way?

God's will is god's will. We can do nothing to alter god's will, at least that's what believers in the cloud being accept as fact.
378) Message boards : Politics : NRA and school security. (Message 1318663)
Posted 22 Dec 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Question is....

Victim or Freeman.

Once the firearm is allowed in school, the student will stand to attention and learn. Guy wont snap, he will teach. The inner-city will snap to attention too.

Solves more then one problem. Respect is back were it belongs, the ruler is no longer needed.


What a stroke of genius.
If a kid won't pay attention, Kashick... pow pow pow... "Now, who else doesn't know the square root of nine?"

Righties are riding the crazy express to a place where teachers shoot children.
It seems that inner city children (black kids) need special attention by ID's inclusion of them as a separate group that will snap to attention too.

379) Message boards : Politics : This is what I believe........UFOs. (Message 1318596)
Posted 22 Dec 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Contact with Europe wasn't so darned good for the original inhabitants of North America.
380) Message boards : Politics : I think some from other countries do not underand our bill of rights. (Message 1318594)
Posted 22 Dec 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
You people are out of your minds.


Thank you for saving me the trouble of posting the same sentiment.
It's no wonder the right wing politicians are crazy... look at the people they have to answer to.

381) Message boards : Politics : Just woke up from a dream..... (Message 1312762)
Posted 8 Dec 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Waiting with guns drawn?
Your belief in democracy, the constitution and the concept of civil governance is truly heartwarming.
Now go sit in the corner and allow the grown ups to run the country.
382) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Meowsighs, but I must. (Message 1305078)
Posted 11 Nov 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
There once was a guy who loved his kitten
He was chastised for what he had written
He authored many words
with too many turds
Until finally they'd had enough and he was smitten


:)
383) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Meowsighs, but I must. (Message 1305077)
Posted 11 Nov 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
+3
384) Message boards : Politics : How will Mitt Romney Save America ? (Message 1302099)
Posted 4 Nov 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Mitthead? Save America?
That lifeform is the posterchild for what is wrong with America.
I cannot believe that a scum vulture capitalist is even a contender for the highest office in the land.
385) Message boards : Politics : Monks in monasteries are hiding ET/God/Yahweh!! (Message 1299497)
Posted 27 Oct 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
JG wrote... "So where could an immortal person live today, without being noticed, and without drawing too much attention to himself? And still be able to practise the religion that he actually started himself thousands of years ago?"

How about New York, London or Hong Kong?
An immortal could live in one of these cities forever and not be noticed.

To your question about practicing his religion... don't you think there's enough self worship in the world today?
386) Message boards : Politics : What you seem to not know........ (Message 1299376)
Posted 27 Oct 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/05/federal-deficit-barack-obama-spending-stimulus-budget-historic-trends.php

What you seem to not know are the plain facts of your president's spending habits.
The rightists haven't changed over the years, they still lie and make up facts.
They just don't get the idea that their lies are so easy to uncover these days.
The only way someone could ever accept the lies is to be willfully blind to the truth.
387) Message boards : Politics : No mo 'Bamaphones. (Message 1297477)
Posted 21 Oct 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Yeah! Right on!
Let's hang the weak and the unstable! Yeah!
Illegals, deficients, browns, yellows, reds, blacks and anyone who suffers from ailments that aren't normal.
Drug addicts, alcoholics, bi-polars, manics. They've all got to go in order to perfect society.
Oh yeah, one last thing. The crauts. They've been a big problem for the last two really big wars. The crauts have to be eliminated too. We'll start with the alcoholic bi-polar manic brown crauts and then work our way through the skin colours till we get to the white ones.
Thanks for showing us ignorant liberals the true way Marky.
388) Message boards : Politics : LOL.....discussing Obama's raping of our economy for his political means?????/ (Message 1297475)
Posted 21 Oct 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Marky thinks only repubs actually pay taxes
389) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Newbie bearing gifts (Message 1295027)
Posted 13 Oct 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
G'day
390) Message boards : Cafe SETI : OK, friends...... (Message 1294626)
Posted 13 Oct 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I believe you have too much of your self worth wrapped up in this.
391) Message boards : Politics : If ET wrote the Bible, would u read it? (Message 1294029)
Posted 12 Oct 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Why wouldn't they throw in a few tidbits of information that would speak to the future readers of this book?
Instead of spending so much time covering topics such as how to treat slaves or how a brother must marry his dead brother's wife if they never conceived a son, why not drop some interstellar navigation rules or advanced computer modelling?
The goat herders of the time wouldn't have known what the hell was being shown, so it wouldn't have had any affect on them, but we would know that an advanced mind was at work.
392) Message boards : Politics : What did God do before creation? (Message 1289767)
Posted 30 Sep 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
There's been quite a lot said in here but I haven't been offered a satisfying answer.
The only response that sort of tried was to state God exists outside our time frame. Still most disappointing.

Who cares if God exists outside our time frame? What was he doing where ever he was?

The followers of religious beliefs like to insert religion as an explanation when science admits that it has no answer at this time. An admission such as this doesn't mean that there truly is no answer, it just means that science hasn't found it yet.
Here was a golden opportunity for the Godists to show their stuff, and they have failed, again.

393) Message boards : Politics : I guess I am not quite done here............ (Message 1287130)
Posted 23 Sep 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
When the mood turns black try viewing this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F5lbMrCj80
394) Message boards : Politics : I guess I am not quite done here............ (Message 1287084)
Posted 23 Sep 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
"Lori and I watched Avatar again tonight.
And I once again realized what a wonderful and insightful film it is.

I am also somewhat humbled and saddened that the human race cannot learn the lessons of the Na'vi.....

That we are all one on this planet.
That we are all one with this planet.
That all life is sacred.
And that the reason for mankind waging war on others many times has less to do with the reasons given than with our greed to obtain something that does not belong to us."

The above quote is from msattler.

Mark covers the entire spectrum when it comes to his opinions. If you disagree with him on any topic, just wait for a while and he will mood swing right into agreement with you.
Of course, that won't last long and then he'll be off on another rampage.
395) Message boards : Politics : The Warren commies never revealed...... (Message 1286971)
Posted 23 Sep 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Robert, Robert, Robert.
Of course I shall vote.....just like the meat puppets that have been bought and sold by those who have the money to make a difference.

I, sadly do not have either influence.
Just a single tick in the boxen. Lost in the flutter, gone with the wind.
Like I said, friend, it has all been bought and sold long before this.
Nothing we say matters, I suspect.

That is why, when this election is done, and Obama feels he is empowered again, I fear a revolt is coming. Those of us who realize that our vote has been bought and sold just might take umbrage to it. And it might get very ugly down here. Best hold your nuggets tight and stay safe, friend.


I won't be answering your PM Mark. I'd prefer to keep all communications between us in the open.

It appears you think the only valid ballots are the ones cast in agreement with your very rightist attitudes and any votes left of that opinion are bought and paid for.
You do realize that the repubs have been in the White House more than the Democrats, don't you?
You also realize that the repubs are the party of the wealthy elites? Working people, the poor, students and minorities just don't have the means to equip the Democrats with enough money to buy an election.
The Koch brothers alone could do that, and we all know which party they are throwing multi-millions of dollars at.
Your theory holds no water, much like the glass you are holding right now.

396) Message boards : Politics : The Warren commies never revealed...... (Message 1286931)
Posted 23 Sep 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Except the fact that the US presidency has been established long ago by something other that the vote of the republic. That is a fact, kids. You and I voted in vain. It was all preestablished. Done deal, not matter what WE said. It was bought and sold way before we had our say. Or, thought we did.





I got 4 cats waiting on the freakin Warren comissiion so they can give their direct evidence, a couple of freaks next door that still think their girlfriend is Mary Jane, and half the population is depenedent on the government and expect me to pay for them when they vote the moron pres back into office.



Which way is it Mark?
Do your votes count or not?
You can't have it both ways.
397) Message boards : Politics : Death, do you fear it? (Message 1286636)
Posted 22 Sep 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I have no fear of death.
To me, death is nothing more than what we experienced in the billions of years before we were born. It is simply nothing. Oblivion.

What most people fear is the method of getting to that oblivion.
Dying happens many ways and most involve pain.

I think the better question is to ask if people fear dying.
398) Message boards : Politics : Anti Mohammed Movie? (Message 1285316)
Posted 19 Sep 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
This rioting nonsense is one reason I am an atheist.

How much blood do you suppose has been spilled between atheists arguing over which one disbelieves in God the most?
399) Message boards : Politics : What did God do before creation? (Message 1284499)
Posted 16 Sep 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Before Creation, GOD did a lot of Design Work. Designing takes a lot of thought. Lots of Rough Drafts. All in The Virtual Mind and on Virtual Paper.

Once GOD produced a Design which would Create A Universe, HE got to Work. Prototypes First. Then as GOD produced A More Stable Model of Universe, HE was ready for The Big Bang. The Real Thing Hubble is seeing today.



So there's at least two of you that believe God is not perfect and infallible.
He had to build rough drafts and make numerous revisions.

That doesn't fit with the God they told me about in Sunday School, but knowing that God isn't perfect somehow makes him seem more human.
400) Message boards : Politics : What did God do before creation? (Message 1284389)
Posted 16 Sep 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

I answered your question, Robert. The Bible quotes I posted that you short quoted me on.



OK, if that's good enough an answer for you, so be it.
I just cannot fathom a sentient being existing as a singularity (not the black hole type) for the eternity before creation.

Alone forever in the blackness of nothingness, could even a god remain sane?


401) Message boards : Politics : I happen to belive in God....... (Message 1284388)
Posted 16 Sep 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thank you Mark
Enjoy the rest of the weekend
402) Message boards : Politics : I happen to belive in God....... (Message 1284381)
Posted 16 Sep 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


As the thread title indicates, I happen to believe in God.

You might ridicule me for this.
But it brings me much comfort.


It's quite evident by the level of serenity you bring to the boards. :)
403) Message boards : Politics : What did God do before creation? (Message 1284380)
Posted 16 Sep 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

So, what is it that you really want? Argument till I lose my temper and get kicked off again? Kicked off for the something that everyone else does yet they still remain? Are you all keeping score or something? What is it that you really want. Don't B.S. me Robert, you can't B.S. me. I see right through all of you. Transparent as cheap toilet paper most of you are.


So just answer the question without insults and cuss words.
It's a simple question.

If no one can give a reasonable answer, there's no need to get dramatic by blowing a hissy-fit.
Science has no answer for what went on before expansion. The standard theory is that time began with the big bang and there was nothing before. I'm not taking that fact as a personal insult. I can live with the admission that not all is known at this time.

I just want to know what religion has for an answer.
Did God exist before creation? If so, what the hell was he doing with his time?
404) Message boards : Politics : So, what do we, as a nation, do about Obama? (Message 1283043)
Posted 12 Sep 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
You know, another way of looking at incarceration rates is that maybe we still have more individual freedom here in the U.S.


That's a most interesting perspective you have there Guy the Great.
More people are in prison because of the "freedoms" Americans enjoy. WOW


405) Message boards : Politics : So, what do we, as a nation, do about Obama? (Message 1282515)
Posted 11 Sep 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


I think that you will find that it is in proportion to those committing the crimes, offenses and felonies. It's not because of any implied prejudice.


The US has the highest incarceration rate in the world, so it seems that William believes Americans are the worst people on Earth and deserve to be imprisoned.


406) Message boards : Politics : So, what do we, as a nation, do about Obama? (Message 1282095)
Posted 10 Sep 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
If the bottom line is more important than people, maybe some of you rightists can begin to advocate shooting the dependent people in our society.
407) Message boards : Politics : So, what do we, as a nation, do about Obama? (Message 1280356)
Posted 5 Sep 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
4th angle makes a great deal over those job creators.
Where are the jobs dude?

The pampered wealthy elites have increased their share of the pie.
The corporate sector is sitting on mountains of cash.
Where are the jobs?

Society bought the dribble down theory and allowed the rightists to lower taxes on the corporatists and the wealthy. They promised that a rising tide raises all boats.

Well, the tide is in.
The biggest yachts are all afloat but those working people sitting in their canoes are adrift and taking on water.

North America's best years were when the working class had stability and a voice in the country's direction.
Now, it's money that does the talking.
408) Message boards : Politics : So, what do we, as a nation, do about Obama? (Message 1280348)
Posted 5 Sep 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


And yeah, The SUPER RICH will continue to be SUPER RICH. And enjoy every second of Everyone else's suffering. Sweetness.



This says it all for me
409) Message boards : Politics : Gawd, I do so love Clint Eastwood..... (Message 1280132)
Posted 5 Sep 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Oh yeah... he got Bin Laden too.
Bush said he didn't give it much thought, but Obama did.
410) Message boards : Politics : So, what do we, as a nation, do about Obama? (Message 1280130)
Posted 5 Sep 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The super rich will still be super rich, even with the progressive tax rates of the 1940's and 50's.

Multi-millionaires and multi-billionaires must contribute more because they have more.
411) Message boards : Politics : What did God do before creation? (Message 1280073)
Posted 4 Sep 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thank you Bobby.
I am interested in knowing what the omnipotent being was up to before creating the universe. It's a simple question really.

How did the God from the Christian Bible spend his/her/it's eternity in the before time?
412) Message boards : Politics : So, what do we, as a nation, do about Obama? (Message 1280070)
Posted 4 Sep 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I hereby cast one international vote for Mr. O’Bama!


+1
413) Message boards : Politics : What did God do before creation? (Message 1280024)
Posted 4 Sep 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'm simply asking those who believe in the God written of in the Bible if they have any explanation as to his activities during the eternity before the so called creation.

414) Message boards : Politics : Gawd, I do so love Clint Eastwood..... (Message 1280022)
Posted 4 Sep 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

He hasn't done a single THING he promised for 'hope and change' except to extract more and more money from 'we, the people'.


The tax rate on the working class is lower.

You've moved closer to universal single payer health care and now cannot be denied care due to a pre-existing condition.

The Iraq war is over.

The auto industry is growing way stronger by the day.

That's just 4 off the top of my head. I can go looking if you need more.

415) Message boards : Politics : So, what do we, as a nation, do about Obama? (Message 1279775)
Posted 3 Sep 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

I copied this from the Facebook wall of The Norman Goldman Show



Our FB friend Shaun M. Smith sent me this as a message - it's too good not to share! Thank YOU, Shaun!

Hello republicans here are a few facts for you contemplate:

After The 8 Years Of The Bush/Cheney Disaster, Now You decide to loose your dam mind?


You didn't get mad when the Supreme Court stopped a legal recount and appointed a President.

You didn't get mad when Cheney allowed Energy company officials to dictate Energy policy and push us to invade Iraq.

You didn't get mad whe
n a covert CIA operative got outed.

You didn't get mad when the Patriot Act got passed.

You didn't get mad when we illegally invaded a country that posed no threat to us.

You didn't get mad when Bush borrowed more money from foreign sources than the previous 42 Presidents combined.

You didn't get mad when over 10 billion dollars in cash just disappeared in Iraq.

You didn't get mad when you found out we were torturing people.

You didn't get mad when Bush embraced trade and outsourcing policies that shipped 6 million American jobs out of the country.

You didn't get mad when the government was illegally wiretapping Americans.

You didn't get mad when we didn't catch Bin Laden.

You didn't get mad when Bush rang up 10 trillion dollars in combined budget and current account deficits.

You didn't get mad when you saw the horrible conditions at Walter Reed.

You didn't get mad when we let a major US city, New Orleans, drown.

You didn't get mad when we gave people who had more money than they could spend, the filthy rich, over a trillion dollars in tax breaks.

You didn't get mad with the worst 8 years of job creations in several decades.

You didn't get mad when over 200,000 US Citizens lost their lives because they had no health insurance.
You didn't get mad when lack of oversight and regulations from the Bush Administration caused US Citizens to lose 12 trillion dollars in investments, retirement, and home values.

You finally got mad when a black man was elected President and decided that people in America deserved the right to see a doctor if they are sick.

Yes, illegal wars, lies, corruption, torture, job losses by the millions, stealing your tax dollars to make the rich richer, and the worst economic disaster since 1929 are all okay with you, but helping fellow Americans who are sick...Oh, Hell No!!
416) Message boards : Politics : So, what do we, as a nation, do about Obama? (Message 1279661)
Posted 3 Sep 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I've gathered that Mark doesn't want a strong central government with the powers to tax and regulate industry and trade.

He doesn't want part of his income used for welfare programs or health care that is run as a universal single payer plan.

He doesn't want gun control and leans toward the Nuggent vision of everybody being armed at all times.

If the state of politics in the US has him thinking of relocating, I suggest a move to Somalia.
Everything Mark wants can be found there. I hope he finds happiness in his new home.
417) Message boards : Politics : What did God do before creation? (Message 1279659)
Posted 3 Sep 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
John, my question wasn't about the bible.
I'm asking about pre-creation. Before the universe burst into being, an event described by some as the will of God, what was this entity doing?
If God created the heaven and the Earth, if God said "Let there be light" then the implication is that there was nothing before.

What was God doing before creation?
418) Message boards : Politics : So, what do we, as a nation, do about Obama? (Message 1279522)
Posted 3 Sep 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Mark.
You're going to vote the teabagger line no matter what the truth is.
Good luck with that.
419) Message boards : Politics : What did God do before creation? (Message 1279520)
Posted 3 Sep 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Of course I want answers.
Every rational being wants answers.
420) Message boards : Politics : What did God do before creation? (Message 1279484)
Posted 3 Sep 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
So, just what did God do before creating the universe?
Was he just floating in nothingness?
Are we the creation of a bored supreme being?

Before everything began, there was nothing. Not even time and space.
What was God up to in the before time?

Wouldn't an eternity of solitude in nothingness drive any intelligent mind insane?
Are we the product of madness?
421) Message boards : Politics : I happen to belive in God....... (Message 1278961)
Posted 1 Sep 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
What some of you do not understand, or wish to, is this simple truth.

God's love for you is unconditional.
No limts, no worries.


He loves you every moment with every breath you take.
You are his children.
You are his life on this, his earth.


Unconditional? Unconditional?
Please explain why you believe there's also a place called hell.
It seems there are conditions.

422) Message boards : Politics : Could I do this? (Message 1267731)
Posted 4 Aug 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgYEuJ5u1K0
423) Message boards : Politics : Could I do this? (Message 1267728)
Posted 4 Aug 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


NO, church and state are NOT separate in my view........they are one and the same.


How would this work in your mind?
Who's beliefs represent this blended state you seem to want?
Does the president get to decide which version of faith is the truth, or is it congress or the senate?

If an Odin worshipper becomes president will you switch over?
What if a satanist were president?
Where's the cut-off if there's no seperation between church and state?

Think fast because there's a Mormon in the race.
If he wins, will you put on some magic underwear and join him?

Maybe it's best that America sticks to it's constitutional government and leaves religion out of the mix.
424) Message boards : Politics : Could I do this? (Message 1267559)
Posted 4 Aug 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
And in my defense.......
NONE of you could possibly have been through what I have.
Don't even try to go there.......it's a nasty place and I'd rather not revisit it today. Don't make me go there. Not today, please.


I have enough to deal with knowing that those who I once counted as friends have mostly dismissed me.


Listen Mark
We all have problems, so don't dismiss everyone else's as trivial when compared to yours.
Hell, you aren't the only alcoholic depressive in the world but I think you'll find that most of whatever is bothering you will go away if you lay off the booze.

To complain that "friends" have dismissed you is to minimize the confrontational positions you take with people in here.
Give up on the megalomania and your overestimation of your position as a member of the project and you may find people somewhat more receptive to your musings.

You seem to have invested too much of your self image and identity into being Mr. Big Crunch while ignoring basic human decency.

Notice that I've said all of this without dropping F bombs.
425) Message boards : Politics : Chicken Power and Huckabee Power. Oh Yeah. (Message 1266535)
Posted 1 Aug 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Protest is also freedom of speech.
426) Message boards : Cafe SETI : First words to a visitng alien? (Message 1266534)
Posted 1 Aug 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
"Here, pull my finger."


OK, this is really funny
427) Message boards : Politics : PitifulPeacePrizin' POtus aka PrisonerExchanging You Can Believe In, 'is' Tee'd Up & Ready tO Act. HOle in One fO da Vrold. (Message 1265390)
Posted 29 Jul 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
President Obama? An airhead? Really?

EDUCATION:
J.D., Magna Cum Laude, HARVARD LAW SCHOOL, 1991
President, Harvard Law Review (first African-American ever elected)
B.A., Political Science, COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY, 1983
428) Message boards : Politics : Another American Massacre (Message 1262801)
Posted 21 Jul 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Simple solution:
All public gathering places must have enough weapons to arm every individual as they enter.
If some looney jumps up and starts shooting, the rest can join in and enjoy a real John Wayne shoot out.
Afterward, the establishment can gather up the guns as the patrons leave, then go into the room to remove the bodies and hose the place down for the next event.
Idiotic second amendment rights as interpreted by the arms industry will be protected.
429) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy Birthday Eric!!! (Message 1255234)
Posted 4 Jul 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Happy Happy Birthday you crazed science guy.
If you're a really good boy, perhaps Angela will take you to see the Spiderman movie.
430) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Lord Stanley's Cup (Message 1240554)
Posted 3 Jun 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I lost interest after LA bombed the Canucks in the first round.
The only pleasure I've had for the rest of the play-offs has been to wear an LA jersey to work every week or so to earn a middle finger from some of the guys on the crew. LOL
431) Message boards : Politics : This is what it's about........Memorial Day....... (Message 1240459)
Posted 3 Jun 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
And could you ever forgive him for This?
I did.....I must. He was of my fatherland. And I am forever sorry for his actions. And das fatherland. Germany was a grand country once.

Forever doomed by a dictator with his only means in mind. How could a total population be overtaken by such a dictator. Take heed, Obama lovers......
He is not far from overtaking such a coup.

And mind you.....this is exactly what Obama is about.

And I mean this sincerely.

He is not far from it.

We are one election away from it. One vote.
They gave it to Hitler back then.
Please do not give yours to Obama now.

I wish I could tell you how close the similarity is.
Very close.
Those in the military might have a clue.
And best be on the verge of a grand uprising right now.



For this, I am forever doomed in time to surrender to his memory.
And mock him any time I have the chance.

I love the film Inglorius Basterds.
And one day, I shall have my skalps.


If I have read this rambling post correctly, Mark's idea of what Memorial Day is all about is...
1)Forgiving Hitler
2)Warning others that Obama is following Hitler's gameplan
3)Hoping for a military coup
4)Promising to collect scalps one day.

Anything else we can celebrate the day with?
432) Message boards : Politics : The very last election? (Message 1240456)
Posted 2 Jun 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
President Obama is not a socialist. In fact, he's further to the right politically than the extremist righties in power here in Canada at the moment.

The Dems and the Repubs are both rooted in the same corporately controlled ideology.
If Obama were a socialist, you'd have Universal Single Payer health care and not the same old for profit corporate driven crap you've had to endure for so long. All Obama did was force the poorer citizens in the US to pony up for coverage they were opting out of before.
That's no socialism, that's corporatism.

433) Message boards : Politics : Is there any way to discuss racism on these boards without getting banned???/ (Message 1237671)
Posted 27 May 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Very clever
434) Message boards : Politics : Is there any way to discuss racism on these boards without getting banned???/ (Message 1237265)
Posted 26 May 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
You can stop playing the "poor white me" card anytime now Mark.

That itself is a racist comment. Proof: change the "white" to any other color and that post gets deleted. As always, great job.


Wrong
As whites are the dominant race in North America, we have no basis for feeling hard done by. Everything has been geared toward our advantage from day one.
To express resentment toward any vehicles that attempt to even out the playing field in our society and allow minorities a chance at success is nothing more than backdoor racism.
We whites have no need for advocacy groups or laws that improve our stations in life because we were born into a culture with those advantages already built in.

Yes, it's true that all whites aren't living the high life, but within the economic groups we're born into, whites have the advantage when it comes to jobs and justice.
435) Message boards : Politics : Is there any way to discuss racism on these boards without getting banned???/ (Message 1237241)
Posted 26 May 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
You can stop playing the "poor white me" card anytime now Mark.
Everything in our society is geared toward the white male. Why would you want to squawk when allowances are made to allow women and minorities a small piece of the pie?

There is a way to discuss racism on these boards without getting banned, you simply need to speak against it.
If you want to speak in favour of racism, go to the KKK boards.
The average Member of the SETI community has no time nor tolerance for racism.
436) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy Birthday CRL (aka Angela aka Pun Queen)! (Message 1237235)
Posted 26 May 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Happy Birthday Angela.
You are one of the biggest sweethearts it's been my honour to know.
One of these days I hope we can meet face to face.
XXX
Rob
437) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What are you listening to II ? (Message 1214471)
Posted 6 Apr 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x6chChxzV0
438) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What are you listening to II ? (Message 1214470)
Posted 6 Apr 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYZMRLtwbd4
439) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What are you listening to II ? (Message 1214468)
Posted 6 Apr 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgZDsNdAMtY
440) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What are you listening to II ? (Message 1214467)
Posted 6 Apr 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVxTsXRjNTw
441) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What are you listening to II ? (Message 1214466)
Posted 6 Apr 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Waz-XL3FkFs&feature=relmfu
442) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What are you listening to II ? (Message 1214465)
Posted 6 Apr 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQK4o7Iaorc
443) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What are you listening to II ? (Message 1214464)
Posted 6 Apr 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWBG1j_flrg
444) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What are you listening to II ? (Message 1214463)
Posted 6 Apr 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UVNT4wvIGY
445) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What are you listening to II ? (Message 1214462)
Posted 6 Apr 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caQE6nEDQYc
446) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What are you listening to II ? (Message 1214461)
Posted 6 Apr 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WokNaiDRenc
447) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What are you listening to II ? (Message 1214156)
Posted 5 Apr 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lxINyZxbgU
448) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy Anniversary Robert Waite (Message 1202548)
Posted 5 Mar 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thank you, one and all.
I can't take credit for the mix up in years Angela. It was the Mrs. who told me 27.
Finally! It wasn't my fault! :)
449) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Our Trip To California's Central Coast (Message 1202312)
Posted 4 Mar 2012 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Congratulations on hitting the 18 year marker Angela.
We celebrated our 27th anniversary today.
450) Message boards : Cafe SETI : A plea to aquarium people (Message 1157337)
Posted 30 Sep 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thank you for the offer of tons of the stuff Carlos, but my basement is full enough without a dumptruck load tucked into the corner. LOL
451) Message boards : Cafe SETI : A plea to aquarium people (Message 1157336)
Posted 30 Sep 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thanks VW Bobier
I followed a few links through your links and finally made some connections this evening.
The bag is twice the price of any other site I've seen them on, but at least it's on the way.

The powder was sourced through another vendor but it's on the way too.
Thank you once again.
452) Message boards : Cafe SETI : A plea to aquarium people (Message 1156921)
Posted 29 Sep 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
In my rec room, I have a 75 gal aquarium.
Recently, after bringing some new fish home, my aquarium became toxic. All of the fish I brought home that day died within a week and most of the other fish died shorlty after.

I have 10 or 11 hardy souls still swimming.
Since the die off, I've been battling an algae bloom and some sort of fungus that grew around the mouths of the fish that died.

I also have two Diatom Vortex filters that could clear the water until it sparkles if I could find some P-4 Diatom bags and some Diatom powder. The filter removes particles down the size of .85 of a micron. Very useful in an algae and fungus attack.
I have searched through countless sites seeking these pieces but most retailers are unaware of the type of filter or they are out of stock with no idea as to when they'll have a new supply.
Oh, and others don't ship to Canada.

Is there anyone familiar with this type of filter? If yes, do you have a connection that you buy from or a site you could send me to that has inventory and is willing to ship to Canada?

While trying to find the pieces I need, I've been using the chemical treatments which seem to clear the water for a couple of days but then the murkiness returns. I've also been replacing the water at a rate of 10 gal every 5th day.

If nothing works, I'll have to wait until the last fish croaks so I can drain the tank and do a severe chemical clean out. I'd much rather just run the Diatom filter for a night.

I would really appreciate any help you can offer.
453) Message boards : News : Another way to support SETI@home (Message 1154620)
Posted 21 Sep 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Great suggestion Blurf
454) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Goodsearch for Seti........ (Message 1154616)
Posted 21 Sep 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I like this idea and signed up as soon as I read EK's post on Facebook.

With the number of members SETI@Home has, this has the potential to turn into quite a nice chunk of change toward the project.
455) Message boards : Politics : Bring Back Caning In Schools? (Message 1153773)
Posted 19 Sep 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
“Children today are tyrants. They contradict their parents, gobble their food, and tyrannize their teachers.”

Oh, by the way, this quote is attributed to Socrates.

Somehow, since the dawn of civilization, children have managed to grow out of their rebellious stage to become productive adults.
I don't think beatings are the reason.
456) Message boards : Cafe SETI : I made it 1000,000 unites! (Message 1153700)
Posted 18 Sep 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Pretty exciting eh?
Well done CT
457) Message boards : Politics : Bring Back Caning In Schools? (Message 1153329)
Posted 17 Sep 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
.
The issue was about him threatening to ruin my career, which he had the power to do.


Would a severe caning of his backside have made things better?



458) Message boards : Politics : Bring Back Caning In Schools? (Message 1153277)
Posted 17 Sep 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
This thread reminds me of the old workplace bulletin board notice...

"The Beatings Will Continue Until Moral Improves."
459) Message boards : Politics : Sept 11 isn't the only Sept 11 in the world (Message 1152264)
Posted 14 Sep 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
My point was one of perspective.
I also mourn the loss of innocent lives on that 2001 morning.

It just seemed that the US is playing the victim card all too well because they were the target of the hostilities on that day.
One gains a different perspective when the sword is gripped by the opponent's hand rather than gripped in your own.

No one, but the Chileans, marks the Sept 11 when the US had a firm grip.
460) Message boards : Politics : Sept 11 isn't the only Sept 11 in the world (Message 1151326)
Posted 12 Sep 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I was unaware of the Ukranian internments, thank you for suggesting further reading on my part.

The Japanese internments and the Chinese virtual slave labour are well known to most Canadians.
Lesser known is the African slavery issue that once was permitted in Canada.

We can all learn from our own pasts and the past that is Canada's does not meld well with the present day script stating our position in the world.

We can't fix all of the problems in the world, or even in our own country, with a single post.
The point of mine was to suggest that 9/11 is not exclusive to America. Hell, America's 9/11 isn't even the worst 9/11 in history.

The Chileans not only suffered the deaths of 30,000 loved ones but they also had their democratically elected government overthrown by an unhappy giant.
How many Americans were tortured and imprisoned by the government after 9/11?

I still feel the Chileans suffered as a people much more on that date.
461) Message boards : Politics : Sept 11 isn't the only Sept 11 in the world (Message 1151305)
Posted 12 Sep 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
In 1973, Sept 11, Nixon and Kissinger brought death to 30,000 Chileans after they both agreed that the recent election didn't go the way that best suited US needs and wants.

I believe the Chileans have the first and the strongest claim to be outraged and angered as they remember their own 9/11.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLbJlIAI8zc&sns=fb
462) Message boards : Politics : Damn the oil speculators........ (Message 1148276)
Posted 2 Sep 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Lets just name the two biggest ones during their "big" time in history....Britain and the USA. But these two countries have allowed their social consciousnesses to get the better of them and hence produced equality policies that in the end sap their nations wealth. It's happened in the UK and it will eventually happen in the USA too and all it leads to is the nations becoming financially poorer for it in the end.



I very much disagree with your analysis of social and economic decline.
These are two classic examples of empires which started out with a strong industrial base in their domestic markets which provided both employment and consumer goods for the masses.
In both cases, the capitalists (investors who don't actually work to live) discovered the profit level increase to their investment by no longer producing goods using the workforce within their own country.

The act of shifting from a production based economy to an economy based on financing industry elsewhere in the world is the cause of their decline, not the social programs put in place to help the lesser of their citizens.

I just can't get my head around the ability of some to blame economic downturns on the people with the least influence on the economy.
463) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Alien characters pictures. (Message 1146534)
Posted 29 Aug 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:



Up until that point this thread was getting a little top heavy, if you know what I mean...
(My, my, my there certainly are a lot of lonely men out there in the universe!!!)


LOL
Isn't space filled with buxom slave chicks?
That's what this search is all about, isn't it?
464) Message boards : Politics : Jack Layton, may he rest in peace........... (Message 1146530)
Posted 29 Aug 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
"My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world." Jack Layton


Can any of us imagine Dick Cheney speaking this way?

I hope these words inspire some of our youth to seek political office for the right reasons.

465) Message boards : Politics : Jack Layton, may he rest in peace........... (Message 1144633)
Posted 24 Aug 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Wot's it matter?
Your plan, "Between these oblivions" is to "drink beer, go fishing and get **** as often as the situation presents itself. :)"


You are quite correct Sarge, in that after I die nothing will matter to me.
What we all should be striving toward is the betterment of life for those coming after us.
While you may believe that this quote you've pulled from another thread is a complete explaination of my existence on this Earth, you may rest assured that I also find time to take part in many aspects of life which promote the improvement of living conditions for working people.

Between the few worldly pleasures listed in that other thread, I've been very active in the union movement for almost all of my working life.
466) Message boards : Politics : Jack Layton, may he rest in peace........... (Message 1144463)
Posted 24 Aug 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thanks for this CT.
I'm still in a state of shock. Jack was a once in a generation type of politician.
He leaves behind a powerful legacy of striving to improve the lot of common working people and I truly feel the fates have robbed Canadians of a golden opportunity.

I just don't see anyone waiting in the wings who is capable of holding the torch quite as high as Jack Layton did.
467) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : latest greatest Telescope for the low low price (Message 1144213)
Posted 23 Aug 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


If The B2s did not exist, The 8 Billion would not exist.



I'm always forced to laugh at this type of logic. It's as if the writer believes these planes drop gold bars or endless supplies of food instead of death.




468) Message boards : Politics : how do you expect to spend eternity? (Message 1144008)
Posted 22 Aug 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I expect to spend eternity after my death in the same way I spent eternity before my birth.

Between these oblivions, my plan has been to drink beer, go fishing and get laid as often as the situation presents itself. :)
469) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : Last Ever Shuttle Launch (Message 1138236)
Posted 10 Aug 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://360vr.com/2011/06/22-discovery-flight-deck-opf_6236/index.html

My friend sent this link in an email... Wanna take a ride?
470) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Films that make you go hmmmm (Message 1137497)
Posted 8 Aug 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The Top 1%

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95iHcdbQz0o
471) Message boards : Cafe SETI : The Jeep Celebrates 70 Years... (Message 1137091)
Posted 7 Aug 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I ordered my YJ from the factory in 1992 and it's still going strong at a ripe old age of 19.
I change the oil once a year (whether it needs it or not) and it's had only one tune-up in it's life, way back when it was 13 years old.

I drive it every day to work and I drag my 14 ft welded aluminum boat behind it on weekends.
Great ride.
472) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Female explorer wanted for companionship. (Message 1132840)
Posted 28 Jul 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Send picture of boat and motor.

I know it's an old joke, but I had to throw it out there. :)
473) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Films that make you go hmmmm (Message 1132392)
Posted 27 Jul 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The debate goes on in this province over the proposed Enbridge pipeline that will carry oil from the Alberta tar sands to Kitimat, a northern coastal town in British Columbia.
This 1,170 kilometer pipeline, refered to as the Northern Gateway Pipeline, will cross the Rocky Mountains, several watersheds and countless rivers and streams.
225 oil tankers per year will be coming into Kitimat to be filled.

I think many Alaskans may have some thoughts on that subject...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhyT_Q0YJ5c&feature=watch-now-button&wide=1
474) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : This universe of ours is interesting (Message 1132380)
Posted 27 Jul 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.space.com/12432-saturn-water-rain-enceladus-moon.html
475) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : Solving problems in science (Message 1132356)
Posted 26 Jul 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


If we cloned two of you, the Robert i am talking to now would not be able to tell the difference between the two clones. There would be three Robert Waite's. All the memories would be wiped clean, you would be starting again with a clean slate. But Robert number two could choose to learn about the life of Robert Waite number one, the original you.



Sorry to disagree JG, but there is no way a clone could pass itself off as the original to anyone familiar with that original.
Even things such as speech patterns would be different due to seperate upbringings.
The clone would have none of the life experiences of the original to build it's personality upon.
A clone can study the original's life until it's blue in the face, it may even become able to mimic a few personality traits like Rich Little doing impressions, but there is no way it could be exactly like the original.
476) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : Black Holes (Message 1132344)
Posted 26 Jul 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The history of science is one of many more dead ends than breakthroughs.
Proving something doesn't exist is as important as proving that it does.
477) Message boards : Politics : Prez is Good, Real Good. You've Won. Time to Get 'er Done. (Message 1132340)
Posted 26 Jul 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The Bonehead has it wrong because the government IS the people.
What other institution is directly answerable to the people? Government is the only vehicle through which the people can express their will.
Of course the corporatists and the pampered elites despise it.

Why do so many rightists hate government so much, yet spend their lives in government?
478) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : Solving problems in science (Message 1131607)
Posted 25 Jul 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Lint trap is very correct in that cloning doesn't bring the dead back to life.
The being that is created by cloning may be genetically identical but will have none of the learned behaviour traits of the original.
No memories or learned responses are carried over. The clone is really just a clean slate with shared genes.

The guy who's genes are used is still just as dead.

Interesting!!
Even when the science is presented in front of you, science being preformed by reputable universities and respected professors, you guys can all find flaws.

None of you are scientifically thinking people at all. You guys have really shown you inability to understand science.

Its already happening right now. Humanity is splitting into two species of people;
Type 1. The people who truly understand and contribute to science.
Type 2. The people who don't understand science but just believe it anyway.

John.


JG, surely you can't be claiming that a clone created with your own DNA will be another you.
479) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : This universe of ours is interesting (Message 1131219)
Posted 24 Jul 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.space.com/12400-universe-biggest-oldest-cloud-water.html
480) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : Solving problems in science (Message 1131216)
Posted 24 Jul 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Lint trap is very correct in that cloning doesn't bring the dead back to life.
The being that is created by cloning may be genetically identical but will have none of the learned behaviour traits of the original.
No memories or learned responses are carried over. The clone is really just a clean slate with shared genes.

The guy who's genes are used is still just as dead.
481) Message boards : Politics : Prayer (Message 1131214)
Posted 24 Jul 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thank you JG
I don't know who said it so I couldn't give credit.
482) Message boards : Politics : Prayer (Message 1131031)
Posted 23 Jul 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I am neither angry with nor am I hiding from such people, just avoiding unnecessary, pointless conflict that prior contact with such people convinces me will continue.


That's good advice

At this point, I have nothing further to add other than to state the obvious... yet, here you are.
483) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Almost had a heart attack (Message 1130811)
Posted 23 Jul 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
LOL
Don't scare the guy away Mark. He's only posted 3 times.

wop wop wop wop wop wop wop wop
HEY,what's that noise?
484) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Almost had a heart attack (Message 1130655)
Posted 22 Jul 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
You would be informed if your computer crunched the data that provided the proof.
I'm told you would even share in the Nobel Prize.

485) Message boards : Cafe SETI : . . . Happy Birthday kenzieB - July 21, 2011 (Message 1130654)
Posted 22 Jul 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
In keeping with my new tradition of stealing other people's posted images...



Have a GREAT day kenzieB
Happy Birthday

486) Message boards : Politics : Prayer (Message 1130307)
Posted 21 Jul 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
PS: JG, I don't think the version of God that you have expressed a belief in will fit into Qui-Gon's vision of the universe.
Don't be angry if he puts you on ignore too. :)
487) Message boards : Politics : Prayer (Message 1130305)
Posted 21 Jul 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Unlike Qui-Gon, I haven't blocked anyone I disagree with.
I don't care how angry someone makes me with their opinions, I still read them because there may be something valid in what they say.

I believe this fact is one of the main differences between religious believers and athiests.
If my opinion differs from some believer of the invisible man in the sky, whether it be on the topic of religion or anything else, the believer generally doesn't want to know about it. Differing beliefs cause the believer to consider alternatives which don't fit into their limited scope of vision.

Qui-Gon, who seems intelligent enough, cannot cope with opposition to his world view and his beliefs. Therefore, in an attempt to insulate himself from pagan liberal nonbelieving socialist thinking, he has chosen to simply ignore anything that I may post in these forums.

He doesn't care and I don't care that he doesn't, but it certainly shows a shallowness of character and a weakness of conviction on his part, in my humble opinion.
488) Message boards : Politics : Prayer (Message 1129565)
Posted 19 Jul 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I prayed to God on December 8th 2010 and asked God for help in my scientific work.

On December 29th 2010 God answered my prayer and revealed the whole universal book of science to me. I didn't ask for the whole universal book of science, but it appears thats what he gave me!

So in my opinion, to completely rule out prayer as a method of communicating with a higher power is a bad idea. It seems to have worked fairly well for me.

John.



Once the mysteries of the universe are all solved by you in a couple of years, feel free to remind us disbelievers of this book.
Some of us may take a moment to reconsider our position on prayer.

Of course, at some point in the next few years, you may have to come forward and retract some of your claims of devine intervention.

I'm willing to bet large that your book, and the strange language it's written in, will prove to be not what you think it is.
489) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy Birthday Uli (Message 1129536)
Posted 19 Jul 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:



Thanks to kenzieB for a most stealable photo.

Happy Birthday Uli
I hope you've had a wonderful day
490) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : Solving problems in science (Message 1128847)
Posted 17 Jul 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
JG
If you have, as you claim, solved many of the greatest problems in physics, I recommend you send a single piece your information to every newspaper in the world.
Once one of the science reporters publishes the information, the world will beat a path to your door.

You wouldn't have to give more than the solution to a single one of these problems to the newspapers to find yourself inundated with requests for more.

491) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : Black Holes (Message 1127733)
Posted 15 Jul 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www-istp.gsfc.nasa.gov/stargaze/Sblkhole.htm

http://www.mpe.mpg.de/ir/GC/index.php

Steve


Oh yeah, we're discussing black holes.
Good links Steve, thanks.

492) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy National Nude Day everyone! (Message 1127717)
Posted 14 Jul 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Well, I'll go watch the parade but in the interests of all concerned this 54 year old ex-lineman will not be removing any of his gear to join in on the festivities.

Thanks for the photo Scarecrow. Good one :)
493) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Women Soccer World Cup 2011 (Message 1127716)
Posted 14 Jul 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Who do I cheer for?
The US team has fought hard and Japan has fought hard.
The US plays a more open style while the Japanese play ball control.

I'm going to cheer for Japan with 10% more vigor than the US because of the nightmare the Japanese have suffered at home recently.

494) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : Black Holes (Message 1127451)
Posted 14 Jul 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

But what i can say at this stage is that the book i am translating is a scientific book written by someone who millions of ordinary people refer to as "God". I'm still working on translation but i already have many scientific answers that go way beyond the science we have today in our science books and academic science journals.


Written by God? Am I to believe the author credited on the cover of this book is named God?
Is there an Earthly publisher or does the book simply appear before those who want to read it?

JG, you'll have to understand my skepticism over the claims you've made.
Why would God author a book that only one person in forty million can understand?
Doesn't God know English?




495) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Women Soccer World Cup 2011 (Message 1126907)
Posted 12 Jul 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
After this past weekend I find myself cheering for both the US and Japan.
Wednesday's games are looking to be pretty darned good.
496) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : Black Holes (Message 1126596)
Posted 10 Jul 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Yikes! Sorry about that.
I just copied and pasted without really reading it.
497) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : Black Holes (Message 1126590)
Posted 10 Jul 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The Galaxy Song

Just remember that you’re standing on a planet that’s evolving
Revolving at 900 miles an hour
It’s orbiting at 19 miles a second, so it’s reckoned
A sun that’s the source of all our power

The Sun and you and me and all the stars that we can see
Are moving at a million miles an day
In outer spiral orb at 40,000 miles an hour
Of the galaxy we call the ‘Milky Way”

Our galaxy itself contains a hundred billion stars
It’s a 100,000 light years side to side
It bulges in the middle 16,000 light years thick
But it’s only just 3,000 light years wide

We’re 30,000 light years from galactic central point
We go ‘round every 200,000,000 years
And our galaxy is only one of millions of billions
In this amazing and expanding universe

Our universe itself keeps on expanding and expanding
In all of the directions it can whiz
As fast as it can go, the speed of light you know
12,000,000 million miles a minute, and that’s the fastest speed there is

So remember when you’re feeling very small and insecure
How amazingly unlikely is your birth
And pray that there’s intelligent life somewhere up in space
‘Cause I’m afraid there’s buggar all down here on earth

Eric Idol
498) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : Black Holes (Message 1126589)
Posted 10 Jul 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Why not scan this book and put some of it online here?
I'm sure there are more than a few linguists that would really like to help you interpret the language in the book.
Even just a dozen or two pages would certainly go a great distance in proving your claim.
499) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Women Soccer World Cup 2011 (Message 1126386)
Posted 9 Jul 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Looks as if Japan is even stronger and more disciplined than I thought.
That was a hell of an exciting game.
500) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Women Soccer World Cup 2011 (Message 1126303)
Posted 9 Jul 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Heartbreaker for the English side in penalty kicks.
France certainly worked hard for the win.
501) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Internet forum debate (Message 1126269)
Posted 9 Jul 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
It seems the creators of this animation have spent some time in online forums.
I am smart! LOL

502) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : Black Holes (Message 1126184)
Posted 9 Jul 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


I know i'm right in my scientific findings because God told me!



Did you get it in writing? Is it notarized?
Can you ask this God dude to reveal the secrets of the universe to me too?

503) Message boards : Cafe SETI : A lovely cat named Nora (Message 1125739)
Posted 8 Jul 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
It's always so very hard to lose an old friend.
I'm sorry for your loss Esme.
504) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Films that make you go hmmmm (Message 1124777)
Posted 5 Jul 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
If you are thinking of watching this film, do so quickly.
It seems to disappear soon after it's posted. Fortunately, people put it back up after a while.
I wrote to my Prime Minister and my Member of Parliament several years ago expressing my outrage at our continued partnership in the Afghan war.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S38trvSbq3Y
505) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Films that make you go hmmmm (Message 1124504)
Posted 4 Jul 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The Man Who Knew Bush

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETlq6fWaNuQ&feature=watch-now-button&wide=1
506) Message boards : Politics : Asbestos (Message 1123958)
Posted 2 Jul 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
How much longer will this practice carry on if letters and emails start pouring into the offices of Canadian Members of Parliament?

You don't have to be a Canadian voter to send your opinion to the Prime Minister.
His email is listed on the government of Canada site.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20110701/canada-mocked-asbestos-hypocrisy-110702/
507) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Sunday July 3rd is Eric's Birthday! (Message 1123953)
Posted 2 Jul 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Have a Happy Birthday EK.
Nanoo Nanoo
508) Message boards : Politics : Asbestos (Message 1123632)
Posted 2 Jul 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
My worries about Harper really became justifiable after reading The Armageddon Factor by Marci McDonald.
Quite an eye opener, even for someone who already knew about the Harper "speaking in tongues" type of religious right government he leads.


509) Message boards : Politics : Asbestos (Message 1123607)
Posted 2 Jul 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
If ever there was an example of how the elites and the ruling class consider the well being of working people, this is it.

http://www.slate.com/id/2298185/

Canada is spending $863 million to remove asbestos from the buildings forming our Parliament complex, while allowing the mining of asbestos to continue in Quebec.
This industry brings in a total of $90 million.

Working people in the rest of the world, where asbestos has not been banned, are exposed to the fibers daily but Canadian parliamentarians will not allow themselves even the slightest chance of exposure.
Our Prime Minister, Stephen Harper, can now be considered an official S.O.B.
510) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Women Soccer World Cup 2011 (Message 1123422)
Posted 1 Jul 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I watched the first half of Japan vs Mexico this morning.
Japan looked strong and very disciplined with a 3 goal half.

The best part of women's soccer is the lack of stoppages due to theatrical diving.
Men, take note: You are being out classed.
511) Message boards : Cafe SETI : HAPPY BIRTHDAY CANADA! (Message 1123109)
Posted 30 Jun 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Happy Canada Day
Great photos Byron, thanks.
512) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : Black Holes (Message 1122393)
Posted 28 Jun 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Isn't there a theory somewhere that says that the big bang was in fact a single black hole, that had swallowed up the entire universe. It got to the stage where it couldn't contain all the matter any more and just exploded?


That would explain recent discoveries of galaxies moving faster than the speed of light.
If a black hole exploded, throwing matter outward at a greater speed than light, the matter expelled would continue at it's rate of travel until affected by the gravity and mass other matter.
513) Message boards : Cafe SETI : S@H Song Dedication Thread (Message 1122379)
Posted 28 Jun 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
For my fellow Canadian members of SETI@Home

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1e3m_T-NMOs
514) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy Gay Pride Week! (Message 1122150)
Posted 27 Jun 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Society is slowly recognizing that some people still don't enjoy full human rights within it.
You don't have to be something to support it and protecting human rights for some helps protect them for all.

Happy Pride Week.
515) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy Birthday ES99 (Message 1120265)
Posted 23 Jun 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Have a wonderful birthday Esme.
Splurge at dinner and have the biggest desert on the menu.
516) Message boards : Cafe SETI : I'm at the age where I'd rather watch (Message 1119173)
Posted 19 Jun 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
My old red StingRat bike with a banana seat and 3 speed stick shift would not have fared well in any of these stunts... and I'd still be in the intensive care unit.
517) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy Birthday to Mike! (Message 1119136)
Posted 19 Jun 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Have a very Happy Birthday Mike.
518) Message boards : Cafe SETI : I'm at the age where I'd rather watch (Message 1119135)
Posted 19 Jun 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
No, it's not that! LOL

Just a guy on a bike having some fun.
http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=Cj6ho1-G6tw&vq=medium

519) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Films that make you go hmmmm (Message 1119030)
Posted 19 Jun 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I've had no luck finding the complete versions of Harold and Maude and Wizards.
While I don't think I've ever seen H&M I did see Wizards in the theatre when it came out.
I quite enjoyed it, so if I find the film somewhere later I will create a link to it.

I'm also having trouble finding another favorite of mine... Quest for Fire.
Who doesn't appreciate a good caveman movie?
520) Message boards : Cafe SETI : celttooth is learning to see again............. (Message 1119018)
Posted 19 Jun 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I hope you sail through this process smoothly Celt Tooth. So far, so good.
Keep the updates coming bud.
521) Message boards : Cafe SETI : You aren't going to believe This (Message 1118088)
Posted 16 Jun 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I really wish we could get beyond this type of ignorance.
I'd check out filing a human rights complaint if this happened to me.
522) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Stanley Cup musings........... (Message 1117528)
Posted 15 Jun 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

I've swiped this image, can't believe I've been sucked into this..


LOL
Put on your toque, your snowshoes and your lumberjack shirt because you've just become a Canadian. PING
523) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : I want a frickin shark with Laser beams (Message 1117283)
Posted 15 Jun 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
... and I want a frickin Killer Whale with Stanley Cups.

Which of us is more likely to get what we want? LOL
524) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : Heaven May Be a 'Fairy Story' to Stephen Hawking, Not to Many Americans (Message 1117190)
Posted 15 Jun 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Here is a movie I saw called Letting Go of God, which follows what OzzF4|\| has been talking about. If you don't want to buy the movie, then read the description and review. It is really interesting, funny, and thought provoking.

Steve


SciManStev suggested this film.
It's a one woman on stage dialog by Julia Sweeney and it's outstanding.

525) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Films that make you go hmmmm (Message 1117186)
Posted 15 Jun 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The Gods Must Be Crazy

This is one of those offbeat films that everyone must see.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tO8RdA446Uc&feature=related
526) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Stanley Cup musings........... (Message 1116909)
Posted 14 Jun 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
While this series is stressing out everyone in this part of the country, it's great for the game of hockey for this to go to a seventh game.

The Nucks better come out playing like crazed wildmen to pull it off Wednesday.
527) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : Heaven May Be a 'Fairy Story' to Stephen Hawking, Not to Many Americans (Message 1116560)
Posted 13 Jun 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Actually JS, there are several examples of genocide, rape, murder and just general crimes against humanity in the old testament and they are all approved and commanded by the god of love.

Here's a link to several examples of the order to commit murder, you can search around for the other atrocities to be committed if one is to follow the god of love.

http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm
528) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Just remeniscing....MASH. (Message 1116112)
Posted 12 Jun 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Dropping F bombs doesn't indicate depth of character bud.
Try expressing yourself in a manner which better exemplifies this.
529) Message boards : Cafe SETI : The Kittyman's musical travels continue...... (Message 1116110)
Posted 12 Jun 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:




Too much PC in this world. I just tend to call it like it is.


No Mark. You call it like you think it is, there's a big difference.
I'm not red Xing that post, but I venture someone will.
530) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Just remeniscing....MASH. (Message 1116105)
Posted 12 Jun 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Wow, that disappeared quickly. LOL
531) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Stanley Cup musings........... (Message 1115922)
Posted 11 Jun 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-WQx2N1aXA&feature=share

Message from Johnny Canuck
532) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Stanley Cup musings........... (Message 1115791)
Posted 11 Jun 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Oh man. Vancouver is going to blow a gasket if the Canucks pull this off.
533) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : Heaven May Be a 'Fairy Story' to Stephen Hawking, Not to Many Americans (Message 1115649)
Posted 10 Jun 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
If dreams are a glimpse into other levels of existence, than there's plenty of crazy monkey sex going on in those other universes... if I'm to interpret my dreams as visions of those other dimensions.
534) Message boards : Politics : OSAMA IS DEAD, DEAD, DEAD!!!! (Message 1115220)
Posted 9 Jun 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
If your country possesses resources in any abundance, your country is on the list of targets.
Does anyone truly believe there isn't an invasion plan for Canada in some vault in the pentagon?
535) Message boards : Politics : Sen. Edwards and Rep. Weiner (Message 1115219)
Posted 9 Jun 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Is this the best you've got?
A sex scandal with no sex? You may as well charge him with murder too, there's no dead guy either. LOL
536) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Stanley Cup musings........... (Message 1115218)
Posted 9 Jun 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
As long as the home team keeps winning, I can live with these results.
Fingers crossed.
537) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : Power Down Week (Message 1114859)
Posted 8 Jun 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I used to let this 'puter run 24 hours, but I've started turning it off at night and not turning it back on until I'm home from work.
There go the crunch numbers, not that there was any danger of challenging msattler for bragging rights. LOL
538) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : Huge solar flare explodes on camera (Message 1114858)
Posted 8 Jun 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
That's awe inspiring footage.
Now you've got me wanting a set of solar filters for my telescope.
539) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : Heaven May Be a 'Fairy Story' to Stephen Hawking, Not to Many Americans (Message 1114857)
Posted 8 Jun 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
No worries Lynn
540) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Stanley Cup musings........... (Message 1114181)
Posted 7 Jun 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
YIKES!


541) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Films that make you go hmmmm (Message 1112914)
Posted 4 Jun 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Watched that one earllier, Robert. I, too am old enough to remember those 'drills', having been born around Eisenhower's time.


LOL... That stuff scared the hell out of me back then.
I had nightmares about mushroom clouds over Vancouver.
542) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Films that make you go hmmmm (Message 1112913)
Posted 4 Jun 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Watching it now. Yes, very beautifully filmed, but they could've done without the Liberal/Progressive viewpoint in the narration.


I guess they could have done it that way.
Of course, it wouldn't be a wake-up call to humanity from the conservative/regressive perspective. It would be just another "business as usual" industrial infommercial.
543) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Films that make you go hmmmm (Message 1112730)
Posted 3 Jun 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Home
This is a beautifully filmed documentary

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqxENMKaeCU&feature=watch-now-button&wide=1
544) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Films that make you go hmmmm (Message 1112670)
Posted 3 Jun 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The Atomic Cafe
Some of the nonsense propagated on the population back then was amazing.
I'm old enough to still remember the drills in school and the air raid sirens being tested.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOUtZOqgSG8&feature=watch-now-button&wide=1
545) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Films that make you go hmmmm (Message 1111925)
Posted 1 Jun 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
A true classic
Plan 9 From Outer Space

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mC9-aEDXEiw&feature=watch-now-button&wide=1
546) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Films that make you go hmmmm (Message 1111918)
Posted 1 Jun 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Reefer Madness
BEWARE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2FZgErvNTE&feature=watch-now-button&wide=1
547) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Films that make you go hmmmm (Message 1111634)
Posted 31 May 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I just found this strange little Star Trek parody

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7185067049150068960#
548) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Films that make you go hmmmm (Message 1111633)
Posted 31 May 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Eraserhead
I've seen this film so many times and still cannot come to grips with the imagery or message.
This one is a big favorite of mine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgvcRrch_b4&feature=share
549) Message boards : Cafe SETI : A birthday raccoon for Angela (Message 1109427)
Posted 24 May 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:



None of the raccoon images I looked for could come close to the one Carlos posted... so I stole, I mean, I sampled it. :D

Happy Birthday young lady. All the best today.
550) Message boards : Politics : Well that's it then isn't it ...... (Message 1109302)
Posted 24 May 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


In contrast, my mom had to write to the school Principal before my 3rd grade teacher would stop trying to bust a ruler across my left hand during 'cursive' lessons.

I believe too many of today's kids will be ill-prepared for the harsh light of reality after their school days are behind them.

Martin


I'm wondering what being whacked with a ruler does to prepare one for adult life?
Was the purpose of this to prepare students to be accepting of abuses by their future employers?

Sorry, but I've never agreed with the whole "Spare the rod and spoil the child" thing.
551) Message boards : Politics : Can someone splain this one to me? (Message 1109300)
Posted 24 May 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Gary, how does that explain the Pinto, the Corvair or lead based paints among a zillion other examples?

Do you want to be one of the victims of a free market?
I certainly would choose government regulation over a cost benefit analysis done by some actuary in a corporate backroom.
552) Message boards : Cafe SETI : So, what do you have planned for the end of the world? (Message 1109292)
Posted 24 May 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I spent three solid days fishing without a single nibble. Nothing. Zilch. Nada.
I've come to the conclusion that the rapture happened, but it wasn't a human rapture, it was the fish that disappeared.

There can be no other explanation.
553) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : Heaven May Be a 'Fairy Story' to Stephen Hawking, Not to Many Americans (Message 1107723)
Posted 19 May 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
All is well JG.
Thank you for that.
554) Message boards : Cafe SETI : OMG This is spooky! (Message 1107575)
Posted 19 May 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
You all remember Walt Disneys's Cinderella?



What is that knot thing on that woman's head?
The one wearing pink in the bottom left photo.
555) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : Heaven May Be a 'Fairy Story' to Stephen Hawking, Not to Many Americans (Message 1107387)
Posted 18 May 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Well JG, if you believe I tell lies, just don't read what I post.
Speaking for myself, I have never posted a lie. If I can't present my opinion without lying, then my opinion would be without foundation.

I'm just a little offended by your closing statement.
You may disagree with me over something, but it doesn't mean I have lied.
556) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : Heaven May Be a 'Fairy Story' to Stephen Hawking, Not to Many Americans (Message 1107224)
Posted 18 May 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I think Hawking is just plain afraid to die, but rather than admit that fear, he goes off on those who have faith in God and that they will be in Heaven when they pass on.



Hawking is one of the greatest intellects produced in human history.
I believe he has spent some time pondering the god issue and reached his logical conclusion.

The number of gods created by fearfull humans over the course of our existence could fill Arrowhead Stadium. What is it that drives some to seek solice through the belief in some higher form?
Is it the need for a strong father figure to watch over his frightened children?

I don't think that it's Hawking who's so afraid to die.
I know I don't fear being dead. Do you remember the way you felt 10 years before you were born?
That's what it's like after you die.
557) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Brazil on Star Trek (Message 1106984)
Posted 17 May 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Yup, you have a sharp eye.
558) Message boards : Politics : Wasteful Gov't spending (Message 1106983)
Posted 17 May 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
It would seem Keith is volunteering to work for less than a dollar per day so he can be competetive with the third world.
I'm quite certain his boss will be delighted.
Once the rest of the employees find the boss making their wages more in line with keith's, he may take a beating in the parking lot after work.

Enjoy living in that cardboard box down by the sewage treatment plant.
Strive for the bottom Keith. I know you can do it.
559) Message boards : Number crunching : News on Green Bank (Message 1106343)
Posted 15 May 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-05-astronomers-alien-life-planets.html

cheers


Just made it active for you.
560) Message boards : Politics : Ohhh, snaAAPPp! (Message 1105511)
Posted 12 May 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
As skildude said, "Me = cat..."

Now, if you'll please excuse me, I'm going to beat myself about the head to attempt some memory loss.
561) Message boards : Politics : Ohhh, snaAAPPp! (Message 1105361)
Posted 12 May 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
YIKES
Trust me people, you don't want to know.
562) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Aurora over the pole......... (Message 1105108)
Posted 11 May 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
We're being rained upon, no sightseeing for me tonight.
563) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : This universe of ours is interesting (Message 1104557)
Posted 9 May 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The Hubble scope needs to be maneuvered and to try and catch a moving object in this close would prove almost impossible. If anyone knows for certain, I'm ready to be corrected.
564) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Aurora over the pole......... (Message 1104553)
Posted 9 May 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
No fair CT
There's no sign of activity from my location. Great photos.

I always regret not having a camera for that one night several years ago when the aurora was complete from the East/West horizons to it's peak straight above.
Every colour was involved.
I felt like an ant at the base of a skyscraper.
565) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Two Dogs Dining (Message 1104271)
Posted 7 May 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
That is so funny.
566) Message boards : Politics : We don't need no stinkin' pictures (Message 1104244)
Posted 7 May 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Legality, schmegality (smeagol)!
Pakistan acted as our ally in the "war against terror," and Osama Bin laden was a war criminal.


I'm wondering how legal, schmegal America would feel if another country covertly sent equipment and troops onto American soil to assassinate or capture someone.
Just sayin'
567) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : This universe of ours is interesting (Message 1104016)
Posted 7 May 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.space.com/11556-earth-asteroid-flyby-2005yu55.html
568) Message boards : Politics : OSAMA IS DEAD, DEAD, DEAD!!!! (Message 1103979)
Posted 6 May 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Agreed, let's get back to the Bin Man...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-media-consortium/weekly-diaspora-what-home_b_858368.html
569) Message boards : Politics : OSAMA IS DEAD, DEAD, DEAD!!!! (Message 1103932)
Posted 6 May 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Keith, your entire ideology seems based on a belief that the ends justify the means.
Lie until you're blue in the face.
What you have to say has become irrelevant to me.

The people you see as leftists did not cheer as CNN showed your soldiers being sniped at.
That has to be one of the most assinine staements I've ever heard.

It has become quite clear to me that your present identity has become compromised, everyone can now see you as the Astroturf Blogger that you are.
Time to change identities and start over.
570) Message boards : Politics : OSAMA IS DEAD, DEAD, DEAD!!!! (Message 1103785)
Posted 6 May 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The left was cheering when CNN showed our soldiers being sniped at by a terrorist.


Why do rightists feel they can just spout any manner of nonsense and still feel they have the moral high ground.
Keith, this was an idiotic statement that serves no purpose beyond showing you to be a flat out liar.
Nothing you say can be taken seriously from this point on if you do not admit you're way off base by posting this obvious lie.
571) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : This universe of ours is interesting (Message 1103713)
Posted 5 May 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.astronomy.com/en/News-Observing/News/2011/05/Gravity%20Probe%20B%20confirms%20two%20Einstein%20space-time%20theories.aspx
572) Message boards : Politics : Things are about to get really interesting.... (Message 1103712)
Posted 5 May 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

You make it sound as if the Captains of Industry had a choice in the matter. They did not. They were required by law to do their fiduciary duty to their shareholders and reduce costs via every means available.


It's a simple matter for the corporatists to write laws that appear to force the corporatists to not pay taxes in their own country, lay off union workers and manufacture goods in slave states with no environmental laws.

It's also a simple matter for citizens to force their elected representatives to rewrite those laws to better serve the society which allowed these corporations to grow and prosper.

It all falls to whether we chose to live in a business run society or a citizen run society. I know which version I would prefer.
573) Message boards : Politics : Things are about to get really interesting.... (Message 1103468)
Posted 5 May 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Keith, entire factories were closed in both your and my country. The machinery for fabricating and manufacturing were crated up and moved to the new supplier of choice in China.
This sudden growth of China as a manufacturing giant was not an accident. It was a direct result of the Captains of Industry in North America making a conscious decision to move their plants to a virtual slave state to avoid union wages, taxes to their own governments and environmental regulations.
Now it's turning around to bite us in the ass.
574) Message boards : Politics : Things are about to get really interesting.... (Message 1103300)
Posted 4 May 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Hey Keith, why no blame heaped onto the American industialists and corporatists who sent your manufacturing base to China?
None of this would ever been allowed to develop if American working people hadn't been betrayed by the pampered wealthy elites.

China is now a powerful monster who holds all the cards, oh ya, and all the money too.
I am always amazed at the short memories of the free market types.
Just a few years ago we were all told what a good thing sending all manufacturing to China was for both them and us.

Now you're about to soil your pants because the monster won't be controlled.
575) Message boards : Politics : Prayer (Message 1103295)
Posted 4 May 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Are the followers of the Skyman offended that I also don't believe in Zeus or Neptune?
I don't believe that the sun and moon are gods either, even though, at one time in human history I would be put to death for expressing any of this. (another reason to be weary the true believers)

How is the invisible man in the sky any different from these other examples?
All sorts of powers were attributed to them too.

The fact remains that praying to nothing brings nothing. None of these gods ever answered a prayer and any seeming result from prayer is statistically accountable.
576) Message boards : Politics : OSAMA IS DEAD, DEAD, DEAD!!!! (Message 1102809)
Posted 2 May 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Then again, Muslim's are the one's that claim they worship the same God that Christians do. I wonder what most Christians' take on this is?


Christianity, Judaism and Islam all pray to the same God as Abraham did. They all branched off from the same trunk.

577) Message boards : Politics : OSAMA IS DEAD, DEAD, DEAD!!!! (Message 1102682)
Posted 2 May 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Offered without comment

http://www.gregpalast.com/so-osama-walks-into-this-bar/
578) Message boards : Politics : Prayer (Message 1102669)
Posted 2 May 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
are you going to suggest that evolution has resulted in you, something so unique, that your thought patterns are completely different from that of other humans?


I'm here to tell ya that my thought patterns certainly differ from yours.
Why is it difficult for you to understand that I am the only "me" in the universe?
The same is true of yourself. Does anyone speak for you in all matters?
Are you not unique in whatever it is that makes you self aware?
579) Message boards : Politics : OSAMA IS DEAD, DEAD, DEAD!!!! (Message 1102661)
Posted 2 May 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
This does not make light of the Sept 11 attack on the US, but there were more than just Americans killed that day.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_September_11_attacks#Non-American_casualties

The world took a hit too. So Keith, I think that allows me an opinion.
580) Message boards : Politics : OSAMA IS DEAD, DEAD, DEAD!!!! (Message 1102658)
Posted 2 May 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


He killed thousands of our citizens and I couldn't care less if we incite some hatred by pissing off some religious zealots.

You know, you are a downright offensive individual, and a gutless one at that. Stay in Kanada, with your tail between your legs.


Just trying to keep you all from living in fear.
Someone has to be the grown-up in the room.
581) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Original music corner (Message 1102649)
Posted 2 May 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
LOL Celt Tooth
I kept hearing a voice in my head yelling ALVIN!
582) Message boards : Politics : OSAMA IS DEAD, DEAD, DEAD!!!! (Message 1102647)
Posted 2 May 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I wouldn't doubt the Pakistani ISI(their CIA) was hiding the bastard...


Pretty big risk to take for an outcast
583) Message boards : Politics : Prayer (Message 1102645)
Posted 2 May 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I've been confused as to why a self proclaimed agnostic fence sitter would be getting so whipped up over someone stating a disbelief in all things religious.

The only answer that comes to mind is political.
The rightists have created an alliance between the corporatists and the religious right in America (it's developing here in Canada too) and they need that well indoctrinated voting block to keep on supporting them.
Without the religious vote, the right would sink into the oblivion it so rightly deserves.
584) Message boards : Politics : OSAMA IS DEAD, DEAD, DEAD!!!! (Message 1102638)
Posted 2 May 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'm wondering about the reaction from the Skyman over burying Bin Laden in such a manner as proposed by VW Bobier.
Since both religions pray to the same dude in the clouds, will the Skyman be pleased or angered?
585) Message boards : Politics : OSAMA IS DEAD, DEAD, DEAD!!!! (Message 1102633)
Posted 2 May 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Bury Him on US soil not facing Mecca.



If you guys killed him, I guess you can do what you want with him.

Just a thought here... Why incite more hatred for America by pissing off the religious zealots that live over there?
If everyone knows they are crazed, why poke the tiger with a stick?

Oh, I get it. Burying him in an insulting manner will please the religious zealots over here.
Gotta love it. The Skyman will be pleased.
586) Message boards : Politics : Prayer (Message 1102630)
Posted 2 May 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

If anything is working me up, it's that you're a terrible proponent for your beliefs.


Now it's your turn to make me laugh.
I'm the only proponent for my own beliefs in the entire universe buddy.
No one else is me and no one else can speak for me.

You seem intimidated by the fact I have reached such a conclusion regarding religion.
You do realize that if the Skyman exists, you get to do time on the nonbeliever rack in hell too. There's no room for "thinking agnostics" in the christian world view either. LOL

Of course, all of this will pass when you've changed your mind again, if for no other reason than to not be dogmatic. (more laughter)
587) Message boards : Politics : Prayer (Message 1102600)
Posted 1 May 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Do not question what Robert has to say? Hmmm. OK, thanks for the contradiction, Robert Waite. I'll wait until you clear it up. I hope it's not too heavy a weight on your heart and mind.


Stop twisting words Sarge.
No one says you can't question my position. I put it out there and you are free to question away.

I can get through any of my heaviness of heart and mind without the imagined help of some creation of the superstitious minds living in caves thousands of years ago.

My original point was to question why believers in the Skyman still feel the need to seek solutions for their ailments from more Earthly sources.
One, in particular, seeks prayers and mercy when personal wants are to be fulfilled but offers nothing by way of mercy or humanity when it concerns others who may or may not be members of other ethnic groups.

You seem quite stirred up for a 'thinking agnostic' over the contents of this thread.

588) Message boards : Politics : Prayer (Message 1102534)
Posted 1 May 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:



What you don't believe in are genies.


Excellent description tbret, and very correct.
We're here, we're on our own and we'd better get used to it.


589) Message boards : Politics : Prayer (Message 1102278)
Posted 30 Apr 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


I would Trust a Religious Zealot before I would trust someone who continually rants & raves about The WORLD IS ENDING from RESOURCE WARS because of GOD followers.

iWorm 'em.


It would seem my posts have an overly strong effect on you DW.
While I may have expressed my disbelief once or twice over the past few years, this is the first time I set out to clearly state my position.

If you think that indicates a continual rant and rave, I will take a moment to ask you to reassess your thinking.
590) Message boards : Politics : Prayer (Message 1102196)
Posted 30 Apr 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'm getting angrier by the day with the followers of the Skyman.
One of the factors in my anger is playing out right here.

Why do I have to show sensitivity toward pre-medieval thinking and beliefs?
If I stated my disregard for the Myan gods, would anyone give it a second thought?

While people like me are asked to hold our views to ourselves, the followers of the Skyman are forming massive voting blocks to control our political lives.
They have filled my Canadian government with rapture kooks and speaking in tongue types who seem to get away with many offenses against humanity because they claim a higher morality.
Racists and corporatists hiding under the name of the Skyman are destroying what is left of our position in this world by making Canada join in on what will soon be seen as resource wars.

My suggestion to the followers of primative belief systems is to stay out of this thread so your shallow beliefs won't be damaged or hurt.
I wanted to spout off and I have done so.
591) Message boards : Politics : Prayer (Message 1102038)
Posted 30 Apr 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Whatever happens is supposed to be god's will.
Doesn't anyone question why god is going to change his mind because someone prays?
Isn't god supposed to know all things that are going to happen from the dawn of time?
Why is this supreme being going to change his plans for the unfolding of the universe because someone wants a different outcome?

I have no use for religion at all. Am I not permitted this opinion? There are people in here who feel free to espouse their pro-religious views.

I kept it out of the thread I wanted to post it in to avoid confrontation.
592) Message boards : Politics : Prayer (Message 1101805)
Posted 29 Apr 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
If someone truly believes prayer does work, why do they still go to a surgeon?

If prayer really works, why are there people living under a bridge or in a cardboard box?
Why do we build hospitals?

Why the hell do we need an army? We could have just prayed for victory in WWII.


593) Message boards : Politics : Donald Trump.....a man after my own heart....and vote. (Message 1101802)
Posted 29 Apr 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The Birthers have had their way and President Obama has shown the certificate.
I hope others will join me in this new movement called Balders.
We want a look under that thing covering Trump's head.
594) Message boards : Politics : Ayn Rand was nuts (Message 1100988)
Posted 27 Apr 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
It seems cash makes up for a myriad of shortcomings in your world.
The wealthy can be flawed to the point of being mentally disturbed, but their cash makes it all good again.
595) Message boards : Politics : Ayn Rand was nuts (Message 1100858)
Posted 26 Apr 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
People who have never developed past that stage of infancy, where everything is about themselves, are the only followers of this woman.
Her writings put the meat on the bones of a lifestyle that is shallow, self concerned and ignorant of the commons. Anyone attempting to live this way at any time in human history, other than the present, would have been banished from the community.
Contribute to the society you are a part of or be gone. There is no room for the frivolous.

The foolishness of thinking one can survive as an island shows an absolute break with reality. I'm sure that over the course of time, there have been many who went off to attempt to fulfill this desire but they seem to have not passed on their genes. That means they died alone in the wilderness.

Rand wasn't a prophet or a philosopher. She was a selfish, shallow and foolish woman with poor judgment when it came to the realities of life.
The only reason her works survive is the need of the super self concerned to have external justifications for their own greed and lack of personal development.
596) Message boards : Cafe SETI : SETIzens' got talent! (Message 1100742)
Posted 26 Apr 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Sorry Sarge
We didn't realize you meant highbrow stuff. :)
597) Message boards : Politics : Chess for all School Children? (Message 1100740)
Posted 26 Apr 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Many many years ago, my room mate and I would play. The standing bet for each game was the same...
I win, I got to listen to my Alice Cooper records (Glen hated Alice)
I lose, I had to clean the toilet.

The end result was a lot of Alice Cooper was listened to while a kelp bed happily grew in the toilet.
Ahhhh, the single life.

It may not sound as good now as it seemed back then.
598) Message boards : Politics : Odds on the Canadian elections..... (Message 1100739)
Posted 26 Apr 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
With no substantive difference between the Libs and the Cons, maybe people are starting to clue into the scam played on us by the overlords.
599) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : This universe of ours is interesting (Message 1100713)
Posted 26 Apr 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.space.com/11188-alien-earths-planets-sun-stars.html?kw=FB_Space
600) Message boards : Politics : Odds on the Canadian elections..... (Message 1100642)
Posted 25 Apr 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
To anyone planning on voting for the conservatives on May 2, please read this to be sure that this is what you really want for Canada.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/second-reading/gerald-caplan/more-voices-you-wont-hear-in-the-election-campaign/article1996127/singlepage/
601) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : This universe of ours is interesting (Message 1100536)
Posted 25 Apr 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.space.com/11471-weird-pioneer-space-anomaly-explanation-proposed.html?kw=FB_Space
602) Message boards : Cafe SETI : SETIzens' got talent! (Message 1100531)
Posted 25 Apr 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'm really good at burping loud.
603) Message boards : Cafe SETI : I quit (Message 1100530)
Posted 25 Apr 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I still enjoy a few good strong vodka and cokes or my old standard Lucky Lager beer.
As for pot, I learned years ago that it's no fun for me because I came down with feelings of paranoia when I smoked it.
Other people seem to really enjoy it so let's just decriminalize the stuff and let them toke away.
604) Message boards : Politics : Ayn Rand was nuts (Message 1100176)
Posted 24 Apr 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Knowing that she thought of the masses as lice and parasites is enough for me to form an opinion.
You can cling to your illusions of hightened levels of awareness if you wish, this woman was a complete whack-job and only spoke for those who's sense of entitlement is out of proportion with their contribution to society.

http://www.theinfounderground.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=31895&sid=396d465d26ec302d70c87fe9f6aaf815

605) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What's YOUR hobby!? (Message 1099684)
Posted 22 Apr 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I can't get enough camping and fishing. I hope to retire in 6 years and become a pro.

I read a lot, mostly political and social themes. Recently, to calm my anger after reading these works, I decided to do light reading between the non-fiction. Mostly SF of course.

A good friend and a guy I really miss as a reliable member of the Old Caledonians soccer team recently published a book that may satisfy the cravings of some hardcore fans of SF/Fantasy.
I bought a copy last week and it's next in line on the reading list.

http://fantasybookcritic.blogspot.com/2011/04/napiers-bones-by-derryl-murphy-reviewed.html
606) Message boards : Politics : Ayn Rand was nuts (Message 1099677)
Posted 22 Apr 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thanks for the morning chuckle Skildude
607) Message boards : Politics : Ayn Rand was nuts (Message 1099471)
Posted 21 Apr 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
This woman's name has come up in here before as a shining light for the rightists.
I have not read her junk, nor am I inclined to ever do so.

I find it interesting that the rightists would use this seriously flawed person as their flag bearer.
Her judgment and attitudes toward humanity seem to be in need of a second look by those so inspired by her fumbling scratches refered to as writing.

Here's a couple of examples of why the rightists need to take another kook as their inspiration...

http://southpawbeagle.com/2011/04/20/ayn-rand/

http://www.michaelprescott.net/hickman.htm

This was one seriously troubled mind. If she was capable of such a majestic lapse of reason in her admiration of this psycho killer, what else could this nutbar have been wrong about?
608) Message boards : Politics : The last government shutdown (Message 1095793)
Posted 10 Apr 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
C'mon Gary
We all rely on each other to get by. Collectivist is just another way to describe being a member of the human race.
609) Message boards : Politics : GE 0% tax on multi billion profit (Message 1095620)
Posted 10 Apr 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Protect the poor by not taxing the corporatists.
Rush, you're haven't missed a beat.
610) Message boards : Politics : The last government shutdown (Message 1095617)
Posted 10 Apr 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Cut the Military Budget in half?

Why do you think The Duke has done an about face?

The first time he walked into The Situation Room and saw The Real Numbers; was shown The Real World; was Told how The Real World is A Threat, The Duke turned White and Almost became A Republican.

You People have Not been On The Inside.

There is a Reason for The Bloated(as so many Know Nothings say) Budget.

Your Safety. Your Lives. The Preservation Of The Good 'ole USA and The Rest of The World.

iWorm 'em.


You crack me up DW
So now you're an insider too? LOL again.

Keep building up your weapon piles, all in the name of safety, security and the good old USA.
Just remember, if you place a big red button in a room full of monkies, eventually one of those monkies will push that button.
611) Message boards : Politics : The American Dream....... (Message 1095615)
Posted 10 Apr 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Have a Country where 100 percent of The People do not want to become Rich via The Dream and you will have a Country where even The Left can't bear to live.

iWorm 'em.


DW, I honestly don't know what that means.
If no one wants to become super rich, the left won't be able to bear living?
612) Message boards : Politics : The American Dream....... (Message 1095373)
Posted 9 Apr 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
George is sounding rather leftist in this piece.
What a concept to consider that the masses should sieze control of our own destiny, that we should shake ourselves from this fever dream that's referred to as "The American Dream."

613) Message boards : Politics : Obama is not sure about Canadian oil? (Message 1094393)
Posted 7 Apr 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Celt Tooth
Under the NAFTA rules, we cannot lower the amount of oil, gas or electricity we send south.
The way the Free Trade Agreement is worded, we could potentially end up freezing in the dark if disaster strikes our reserves, but still not be permitted to reduce the flow going to the states.

Personally, I would try all negotiators and signators of that deal for treason.
They simply sold out Canadian interests.
614) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : This universe of ours is interesting (Message 1094383)
Posted 7 Apr 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.astronomy.com/en/News-Observing/News/2011/04/Two%20dying%20stars%20reborn%20as%20one.aspx
615) Message boards : Politics : Odds on the Canadian elections..... (Message 1093649)
Posted 5 Apr 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
This sure isn't very Canadian of our Prime Minister... but it is in keeping with his emperor delusions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hlpNe6sXFc&feature=player_embedded
616) Message boards : Cafe SETI : April 2nd is Scarecrow's Birthday!!! (Message 1092944)
Posted 3 Apr 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Happy Birthday Scarecrow...May the wizard grant your every wish.
617) Message boards : Politics : Odds on the Canadian elections..... (Message 1092943)
Posted 3 Apr 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Could there be an alternative conclusion Celt Tooth?
Could it be that Canadians are more concerned with the well being of the community than the individual?

I'm pretty sure you answered the questions truthfully, as I did, and then found yourself somewhat left of the party you tend to support...as I did.

Is it due to a bias in the questions? I dunno, we both answered the same questions and ended up left of where we lend our main support.

Rather than decide that the individual responsible for creating the app, who by the way has a professional reputation to defend, has lead the voters astray, perhaps it's time to think that the party we usually support is further right than we suppose.
Hell, I've gone from being a Mulroney conservative to joining the far left in the span of a few years by being honest with myself and what MY ambitions for Canada really include.
618) Message boards : Politics : Odds on the Canadian elections..... (Message 1091966)
Posted 31 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
It seems that the list of conservative wrong-doings isn't fair game in the national papers I read, but there are sources which have no dog in this fight and are able to print some of the truth.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/world/canada-watches-its-democracy-erode/story-e6frg6ux-1226030310248

For a complete list of the wrong-doings of this conservative government, I highly recommend the book Harperland by Lawrence Martin.
619) Message boards : Politics : Odds on the Canadian elections..... (Message 1091387)
Posted 29 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

I saw his documentary, more to the point, the part where he played the returning
poor displaced prince in a little town in Russia. (I am certain the people in that part of the world could have used the influence of his family over the last eighty years, where was he then?) It looks to me like this man says things based on who he is talking to, not what he believes.
I could go on, as you know we here in the west we have had our issues in the past with intellectual prime ministers. The other things that come to mind are all centred on his adventures in America, not here in Canada.
I could be wrong, but I won't risk The future of my family on any of it.
celttooth


Where was he during the past eighty years? He wasn't born when those events occurred.
As to the suggestion that "we" in the west have had issues with intellectual Prime Ministers, well my only issue has been the lack of them.

Don't think I'm all for Iggy. I see no real difference between the Liberal and conservative parties when they form government. Neither do the wealthy and the corporatists see any difference as campaign donations have been pretty evenly split between the two.

I do wish Canadians would reward intellect in politics. We'd certainly end up with a better quality of debate in the House of Commons.
620) Message boards : Politics : Compete on Tax Policy or Wither and Die (Message 1091191)
Posted 28 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Only the simple minded cannot follow this idea to it's natural conclusion.
Join the race to the bottom and once we get to the zero level of taxation to corporations, they will start demanding we actually pay them to stay.
Now we're in a bidding war to see which country is willing to pay the most for the privilege of having these thieving bastards in our midst.

Sorry Keith. I just can't follow the logic.
621) Message boards : Politics : Odds on the Canadian elections..... (Message 1091190)
Posted 28 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I think this poll is bent; it has me as a liberal. Wow!
I have a memory. I would not leave my garbage alone at home with some of these people.
Certainly not with Iggy (Michael Ignatieff.) the liberal leader.
I see some of the others as "Space Cowboys".
In all likelihood it is not your politics but the test that is suspect.
Again as I always say, "It all comes down to what kind of country you want to live in."
celttooth


I agree with your conclusion: "It all comes down to what kind of country you want to live in."

I want to live in a country where no one is left behind for any reason.
I want a country where education is so much a right that it is free to all.
I want a country that controls the actions of corporations based in Canada but doing business worldwide.
I want a country where citizens recognize the communal needs over the individual wants.

I'm curious as to why you show such disrespect to Ignatieff. You do realize that he's a world respected intellect with authorship of many books and a reputation as a fine prof?
622) Message boards : Politics : Odds on the Canadian elections..... (Message 1090858)
Posted 27 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
CBC has an app that asks you twenty questions and charts your position relative to all of the federal parties.
No surprise to find myself left of both the Green and NDP parties.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadavotes2011/votecompass/
623) Message boards : Politics : Five Myths About Your Taxes (Message 1090497)
Posted 26 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Rather than realize how wrong you've been in the belief that the super rich and the corporations fund society, you go off on some weird tangent that finds a way to blame the Democrats.
They're both to blame, so fix it now.
624) Message boards : Politics : Five Myths About Your Taxes (Message 1090486)
Posted 26 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I wish this was a myth but it seems GE not only avoided paying tax but claimed a rebate.
US taxpayers actually gave billions of dollars to this transnational megacorporation, all according the the rules written by the corporations and their good friends in committee rooms.

It seems the super rich and the corporate sector really aren't the contributors to society that Keith and the other dittoheads would like everyone to believe.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/25/business/economy/25tax.html?_r=1&hp=&pagewanted=all
625) Message boards : Politics : Five Myths About Your Taxes (Message 1089988)
Posted 24 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Most of the deficit problem can be solved by gradually increasing the retirement age as the system was not designed for the present average lifespan. Retirement at 70 being the ultimate goal at current lifespan solves the entire problem. And people today are healthier at 70 than their grandparents were at 65 so people ar still ahead of the game. But if people insist upon 65, not a problem but SocSec taxes have to increase dramatically.



Matt
The rich dudes think everyone should work until they drop dead, preferably on their own time.
Some rich jerk who hasn't spent his life breaking his back with physical labour can carry on into his eighties.
Real people want out of the workforce and they deserve to take a decent pension with them when they leave.

The simple solution is to remove the ceiling on pension contributions.
In Canada, everyone contributes to the Canada Pension Plan (CPP).
There's a ceiling on contributions of $46,300.
All earnings above this number are free from further contributions.
Instead of allowing a ceiling on contributions, all income should be factored in. This means the guy making $25 million will pay contributions on every penny earned.

Problem solved and the working guy can retire to relax his weary bones.
626) Message boards : Politics : Five Myths About Your Taxes (Message 1089225)
Posted 21 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
There just wasn't an issue about government revenues when the corporations and the wealthy were paying their progressive taxes. Now, every level of government, from the feds to the municipal, are short of funds.

Keith would have this shortfall added to by allowing those with the most wealth to pay even less.
When does the bloody obvious come and whack such people over the head with the revelation of the truth?


627) Message boards : Politics : Five Myths About Your Taxes (Message 1089000)
Posted 21 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Give them what they want or they'll leave???
Pretty weak argument Keith.

I say "Bye bye and good luck being rich in Libya. Oh by the way, there's a 99%exit tax."

See? Problem solved.
628) Message boards : Politics : Do you think to bomb another country is "democratic" mean? (Message 1088923)
Posted 20 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I haven't seen the video you mention. This may have been broadcast before things got as ugly as you say they have.

I was overwhelmed by the images coming from Japan and I really haven't watched any news for several days.
629) Message boards : Politics : Five Myths About Your Taxes (Message 1088922)
Posted 20 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Keith
Unless you are one of the super rich pampered elites, who's vast wealth the tax codes are written to protect, you really make no sense.
Why would you advocate a system that simply prolongs the rule of the wealthiest?

What possible benefit to the well being of the masses is there in keeping the super rich able wipe their arses with silk?

630) Message boards : Politics : Do you think to bomb another country is "democratic" mean? (Message 1088907)
Posted 20 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'm against invasions of any kind on principle.

This is from a friend's Facebook post...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUZ7e90Fo80

631) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Just check that Ph.D. at the door... (Message 1088840)
Posted 20 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
It's a "guy" thing............which also means it's a "kid" thing.

May your reign over the arcade continue EK.
632) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy Anniversary Bill and Ann Walker (Message 1088838)
Posted 20 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Monday March 21st marks the 37th wedding anniversary of Bill Walker and his lovely wife Ann.


Well done Bill and Ann.
May you both continue to find happiness with each other through many, many more years.
633) Message boards : Politics : What the hell? (Message 1087985)
Posted 18 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The one thing that caused me the greatest anger was the pure joy she expressed at the deaths resulting from the quake.
What has become of the christians I knew as a child. The ones with the message of peace, tolerance and hope?
Those were the christians I've tried to show respect for.
No longer will I give an inch when the subject comes up.

Religious beliefs belong in the trash heap of history and the sooner these rapture kooks wake up from their delusional beliefs, along with their weak minded brethren in other religions, the better off the world will be.
634) Message boards : Politics : What the hell? (Message 1087592)
Posted 16 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
If their invisible man in the sky really wanted to make people convert, he wouldn't just shake up a country and smash everything.
No, I think it would be far more impressive if god squashed only the homes of non-believers during a giant earthquake.

Hell, even better, he should squash the homes of only the unbelievers worldwide in one moment. Now that would get my attention.
635) Message boards : Politics : What the hell? (Message 1087496)
Posted 16 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Here's another source to the video.

http://perezhilton.com/tv/Girl_Says_Japan_Tragedy_Is_A_Sign_From_God/?keyword=god&ptvid=70e2664888349&start=0&end=7

It just made me angry all over again.
636) Message boards : Politics : What the hell? (Message 1087320)
Posted 15 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
These are the same types who demand that others respect their personal beliefs in their God.
My tolerance for religion is now long gone, and so is any pretense of respect for the religious beliefs of others. I see that the respect is not mutual and while I exercise tolerance, the religious rapture kooks are praying to their imaginary invisible friend for the destruction of those deemed as unfit.

I am sickened by this twirp's righteous attitude
637) Message boards : Politics : What the hell? (Message 1087298)
Posted 15 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Is this what passes for Christianity these days?
Is this what is being preached inside those tax free buildings?
How commonly held are beliefs such as this pinhead is expressing?

Seeing the glee with which this rapture kook views the deaths of over 10,000 people causes me such anger that I'm gobsmacked.

This is the good Christian girl next door...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UmotTE-VlY
638) Message boards : Politics : The economy has not hit bottom yet (Message 1087062)
Posted 14 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Yet you advocate increasing oppression. You want to take even more from the corporation in the form of taxes. Who runs the government? The people who pay for it! 47% of American's pay no income tax. Think long and hard about this.



Gary, you and the other supporters of a corrupt system need to take another look at this invisible hand of the market bull....
You are giving aid and comfort to the real enemies of justice, freedom and all the things that America lays claim to being.


http://www.alternet.org/story/146509/?page=1
639) Message boards : Politics : The economy has not hit bottom yet (Message 1086561)
Posted 12 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Keith wants a survivor world.
A place where the strong strive toward excellence and the weak are left behind.
A place where the strong are the winners and the weak are the losers.

I don't think he means that in a literal fashion though.
These types speak of the survival of the fittest in financial terms, not in the true sense of survival of the fittest.
In Keith's eyes, some 86 lb semi blind guy in an iron lung is the fittest to survive if he happened to inherit $500 million.

Keith has great respect for the felony sharks on Wall St that cooked up the whole collapse by convincing republicans and stupid people that what was needed was more deregulation.
640) Message boards : Politics : The economy has not hit bottom yet (Message 1086178)
Posted 11 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I always enjoy hearing you guys go on about how you've clawed your way to where you are in life, while having seen real poverty and desperation, and stopping long enough to be personally waterboarded on the side.
What's next?

I should know better than to ask you to be concerned for your fellow citizens.
641) Message boards : Politics : The economy has not hit bottom yet (Message 1086109)
Posted 11 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Do you really believe this fear mongering? This is CBS propaganda at its best trying to displace blame. Why not try placing blame where it really belongs?



Guy Navarro, these are your fellow Americans. They are suffering because of the pro-corporatist agenda.
Their strength, and the strength of their children, as they endure this brings a tear to my eye.

These are the people I see as Americans.
A good portion of the blame lies with people like you who care nothing about the circumstances created by the corporatists and the pampered wealthy elites.
You keep supporting every move the powered elites desire by putting the corporate puppets into office.
republicans, and their base, are nothing but stooges to the overlords.
That's my opinion.
642) Message boards : Politics : The economy has not hit bottom yet (Message 1086031)
Posted 11 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'm dumbfounded that some people still cling to the idea that what America really needs is more of the same.
More of the same is what drove the economy into the ground.
Who's to blame? If you watch Faux News, your answer to that question is the unions and working people.
Can you still support the republicans and their uber rich masters after watching this 60 Minutes piece?

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=7358670n
643) Message boards : Politics : Is "Fox News" entertainment or Fascist Propaganda? (Message 1086003)
Posted 11 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Glen Beck is against violence and I would love to see an unedited clip where you think he is in favor of it.



Dena, let me help you out with that...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e48cCPz3SZg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zq-kW-ifRR4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j66UQDzW3yU
644) Message boards : Politics : Dubyas Legacy (Message 1085602)
Posted 10 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Qui-Gon, you can claim to have had it done to you and you can claim it isn't torture until you're blue in the face. (pun intended)

This is torture...Christopher Hitchens didn't last more than a few seconds and I'm confident you didn't either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LPubUCJv58
645) Message boards : Politics : Dubyas Legacy (Message 1085540)
Posted 10 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Japanese officers were executed by the Americans after WWII for performing that non-torture technique refered to a waterboarding on US soldiers.
646) Message boards : Politics : Dubyas Legacy (Message 1085498)
Posted 10 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
:)
I was thinking of the chasm between W's words and his actions.
647) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : The Passionate Eye (Message 1085478)
Posted 9 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I don't know how long this link will stay active.
This episode relates to the search for near Earth asteroids, the results of impacts on the Earth and the possibility of water and the stuff of life coming to this planet by way of asteroid impacts.

The Passionate Eye is a fantastic series of documentaries.
http://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/passionateeyeshowcase/video.html
648) Message boards : Politics : Dubyas Legacy (Message 1085471)
Posted 9 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The claim of occupying the high moral ground rings hollow when the world has witnessed the sloganeering claimant wallowing in the foul mud.
649) Message boards : Politics : No "Death Panels" huh ? (Message 1085360)
Posted 9 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Keith actually could have a set, I've never met him.

Just in case, here's some help and support (no pun intended)

http://www.manboobsfacts.com/
650) Message boards : Politics : No "Death Panels" huh ? (Message 1084867)
Posted 8 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Keith Keith Keith
Why does everything from the rightist's perspective seem as if it's directly from Bizzarro World?

The existence of Death Panels is well documented. Decisions over treatment or non-treatment leading to a lingering painful death have been ongoing in insurer's boardrooms and policy meetings forever.

It's the "for profit" pigs in private insurance companies that have conducted death panels for decades.
651) Message boards : Politics : Something for Mark when he gets back (Message 1084535)
Posted 7 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Mark, I've never heard a line of questioning like this regarding the Kennedy assassination.

How can Bush Sr. have stayed under the radar of public awareness regarding the the events brought forth by this article?

http://whowhatwhy.com/2011/02/19/unanswered-questions-as-obama-anoints-hw-bush/
652) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy Belated Anniversary Robert Waite (Message 1084499)
Posted 6 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
LOL
Sounds like a win-win situation to me
653) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy Belated Anniversary Robert Waite (Message 1084448)
Posted 6 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thank you all so very much.
The heavy lifting has been performed by Shelley, so I'm inclined to give her more of the credit for our years together.

That cake looks good enough to eat Angela. Thanks to both of you.
654) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy Anniversary Angela & Eric (Message 1084194)
Posted 5 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Congratulations kids.
You newly weds are always so cute.
655) Message boards : Cafe SETI : A gift for Angela (Message 1084114)
Posted 5 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'm so glad you could view this. Sometimes, things like this seem to get blocked at the border for whatever reasons.

I was really amazed when I watched this. Who knew the little beggers were as intelligent as that?
You might be onto something when you speak of our new overlords.

Hmmmm... all this time I expected the overlords would come from space, the final frontier.
656) Message boards : Cafe SETI : A gift for Angela (Message 1084100)
Posted 5 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I watched this broadcast the other night on David Suzuki's program The Nature of Things. Another fine production from our CBC.
The habits of urban raccoons are quite astounding and there are a few surprises in their behaviours.

Enjoy Angela aka The Crazy Raccoon Lady

http://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/natureofthings/video.html?ID=1815680672
657) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Ever GOOGLEd your 'ALIAS' ? (Message 1083750)
Posted 5 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Only 290,000 hits...and to my great outrage, most are NOT about me! :)
658) Message boards : Politics : Beating Down the Super Rich Elite (Message 1083632)
Posted 4 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Robert,

No. This indicates at least some people are concerned about the direction the U.S. is taking.



Teabaggers claim they are worried about the direction the US is heading.
Their solution? More of the same, only bigger and meaner and doing it at warp speed.

People like myself look at the US and the direction it's taking and are really very concerned that Americans are heading toward plutocracy with just enough militarism to probably be labeled as fascism.
659) Message boards : Politics : Beating down the working people (Message 1083595)
Posted 4 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
It doesn't trouble me Chris S.
Unlike some more seemingly oversensitive types, I don't care where the discussion goes.
Whatever happens, happens.
660) Message boards : Politics : Beating Down the Super Rich Elite (Message 1083593)
Posted 4 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
What's the deal with this story Guy?
Are we all supposed to adjust our personal beliefs and philosophy based on this bit of email fiction?
661) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : This universe of ours is interesting (Message 1083248)
Posted 3 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.astronomy.com/en/News-Observing/News/2011/03/Solar%20mystery%20solved.aspx
662) Message boards : Politics : Beating down the working people (Message 1083146)
Posted 3 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'm trying to figure out what Cheney at Langley has to do with this thread?

Freakin bizarr0.







I will contact you on 702BX shelflife 4904. Reminder: The rooster crows at midnight, but only during a one-off Mobil/Exxon eclipse.

State Department Cable 41444/ National Clandestine Service/dest/Skildude

.......


You think highly of yourself, don't you?
Is it lonely sitting in your parent's basement shouting at the world?
663) Message boards : Politics : Beating Down the Super Rich Elite (Message 1083011)
Posted 2 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Return to the taxation levels that existed at the end of WWII, including the inheritance tax.
Introduce a Tobin tax.
Close the corporate loopholes in the taxation system that allow corporations making record profits to not only avoid paying taxes but actually receive tax credits from the people.

Let's start with these and evaluate the situation at a later date.
The super rich were still super rich back then and the working people made their greatest moves forward by being a working class that possessed some disposable income.
664) Message boards : Politics : Beating Down the Super Rich Elite (Message 1082991)
Posted 2 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
At least, as a group, they know how to handle their finances.

Wrong...they can afford high priced accounting

When you give The Working People too much money, look what happens.

Working People buy houses they can't afford. Result: Housing Bust.

Wrong...first, if working people have too much money, how is it they can't afford the house? Also, it was the super rich that KNOW how to handle their finances that supplied the investments to the mortgage funds.

Working People use too much Credit. Result: Bankruptcies and higher credit card rates.

Wrong...I do agree working people use too much credit. There's been a stagnation in earnings for working people since the Reagan administration. If, as you've stated, working people have too much money, why would they be overusing credit? Why would bankruptcies be increasing?

Working People do not scrimp, save and use their noggin when it comes to Finances.

Wrong...the vast majority of working people do indeed scrimp, the problem, despite your claim they have too much money, is that most have no savings due to a shortfall in earnings vs the rising costs of living in North America. This malady, of course, does not affect the super rich who have enjoyed 30 to 40 years of sustained growth in their personal portfolios.
665) Message boards : Politics : Couldn't happen to a more "progressive" city! (Message 1082778)
Posted 1 Mar 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
What's the beef Keith?
Are you concerned that the flow of republican policies is being reduced?

On the topic of low flow toilets I have one in my home, and yes, sometimes it doesn't get the job done.
You can't blame people for trying to conserve treated water.
(Well, the thoughtful and concerned ones are. Funny that the ones identifying themselves as conservatives do not)

I suppose a solution to the use of treated water for sewage disposal would be the use of untreated water. That would mean a seperate water system, running beside the existing mains, which would provide cheaper untreated water for use in toilets and for outside watering of lawns and washing of cars.

Nope. Don't see it happening.
Another solution would be to add untreated water to the flow of the sewer mainlines.
The systems are almost all gravity reliant so an untreated water flow coming from the top end would certainly help move materials down the pipes once it has entered the system.
666) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Our niece is a rising star! (Message 1081928)
Posted 27 Feb 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
That was wonderful :)
667) Message boards : Politics : Beating down the working people (Message 1081690)
Posted 26 Feb 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Here's a thoughtful and well considered response to events in Wisconson.
This clearly lays out a plan that would eliminate the deficit while protecting working people from harsh capitalist ideology and still allow the wealthy to be well, wealthy.
It has the added bonus of permitting those children inheriting vast fortunes to almost have to think about standing on their own merits.

Let the howling begin...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-G6iVGNsozI&feature=player_embedded
668) Message boards : Politics : Separation of Church and State? Not so fast... (Message 1081573)
Posted 26 Feb 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I agree with you Keith, let the invisible man in the sky fix his own damned buildings.
669) Message boards : Politics : InsideJob! (Message 1081571)
Posted 26 Feb 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Greed can be contained but when the citizens lower their guard, it comes back with a vengeance.
The French Revolution is a good example of this.

CHOP CHOP CHOP
No one was overly filled with greed until the next generation where those CHOP CHOP CHOP events were something from the past and the citizens lowered their guard.
670) Message boards : Politics : Beating down the working people (Message 1080855)
Posted 24 Feb 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
There are FACTS and there are teabagger facts.

Personally, I have a hard time taking someone seriously when they have teabags hanging from their hat like some crazed outback wildman.

No worries...the masses always win in the end.
671) Message boards : Politics : Somali pirates......... (Message 1080853)
Posted 24 Feb 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Cosby???? He's like Dennis Miller for Christ's sake.
Rich and right wing.

I'm sorry you guys feel so inclined toward vengeance with no hope of a change at a social level.
I forgive you all. Peace be with you, even if you won't offer it to others.
672) Message boards : Politics : Somali pirates......... (Message 1080830)
Posted 24 Feb 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Rather than seek a solution to the problem, let's just blow them all to Hell.

People with a future, a job and a small amount of hope don't perform these sorts of actions. These are the acts of desperate people.

I cannot condone what they've done and whatever punishment is decided is fine, but I would like to also see some measure of social change that would allow these men an alternative to piracy.

I'm sick of the conservative idea of cutting everything to the bone when it comes to social programs and then turning their guns on those who strike back to survive.
673) Message boards : Politics : Beating down the working people (Message 1080827)
Posted 24 Feb 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Keith, there's no point bringing teabagger folk lore into the discussion.
It simply shows that you are unable to get beyond whatever Fatface Limbaugh or the Beckerhead spout at you.

Do you work at the American Chamber of Commerce?
Are you in an office or are you a cubicle dweller? LOL
674) Message boards : Politics : Beating down the working people (Message 1080494)
Posted 23 Feb 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

I post an article showing they've been paying NOTHING towards their pensions and you post a hippy playing music? What am I supposed to do with that?

Robert, unionized workers have got to start paying towards their pensions and benefits like everyone else, in a similar amount like everyone else in the private sector, PERIOD.




To your first point, you are supposed to listen to the song if so inclined, or not, I don't really care.

I don't know for a fact that they don't pay anything toward their pensions and benefits, but let's act as if that's true.
How would that have come about?

Obviously through the bargaining process. These benefits were accepted instead of wage increases. Everything was legally bargained in good faith.
If working people can negotiate good deals toward a pension, what the hell is wrong with that?
Only the wealthy should be secure in their old age?
675) Message boards : Politics : Beating down the working people (Message 1080492)
Posted 23 Feb 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
You would have to factor in all of the millions of private sector people who have no income since they have lost their jobs. Public Sector jobs in the US have increased by 200,000 in the past two years. Since those in the private sector have lost probably close to 10 million jobs ( underemployment is close to 20% in the US ) then I would venture to say that a study by education level of all people of those levels (not just those employed) would show a very different picture than what your graph apparently does.

Also: average is not always a good descriptor; what is the Median? The average net worth of those alumni of Bill Gates' High school class is at least $50,000,000.

Figures don't lie, but liars can figure.


While the corporate world is drowning in cash reserves, they aren't hiring.
While private sector jobs have been sent to low wages countries the private sector job pool dries up.

Your solution is to also eliminate public sector jobs so even more people can be destitute.
Seems you've done some figuring there.
676) Message boards : Politics : Beating down the working people (Message 1080272)
Posted 22 Feb 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The graph I just posted didn't come out as well as I had hoped.

The blue bar is private sector and the red is public.
They are grouped by education levels.

The public sector DOES NOT do better than the private
677) Message boards : Politics : Beating down the working people (Message 1080270)
Posted 22 Feb 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbWRfBZY-ng
678) Message boards : Politics : Dubyas Legacy (Message 1079676)
Posted 20 Feb 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The United Nations clearly disagreed with the concept of the invasion of Iraq being legal.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/3661134.stm

As for charges against these lifeforms, well, the process has been initiated with the filing of a complaint and only time will tell whether the ICC can make a case.

http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/TPV3/Voices.php/2010/01/22/international-criminal-court-complaint-f
679) Message boards : Politics : Dubyas Legacy (Message 1079536)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Take a hint from your own avatar . . .

By the way, are we out of Iraq yet? Have we found Bin Laden? Is Guantanamo closed? How is the economy doing after billions in "stimulus"? How's the unemployment rate?

Please recognize that there are factors out there that are beyond the control of any president. It doesn't help to lay blame as you have, and such finger pointing does not hold up to the facts or history.


Everything you've used as examples of how a president cannot control is a direct result of presidential policies, both foreign and domestic.

It doesn't help to appologize or simply accept these acts, some of which have been considered war crimes or crimes against humanity by the civilized world, it simply encourages the next guy who sees that his actions will be whitewashed by the American version of world history.
680) Message boards : Politics : So let me ask this... (Message 1079502)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Corporatists have the money and lobbyist influence to write the laws.
Corporatists spend untold millions electing buffoons to office, who once in office, allow the lobbyists to actually write bills going before the house.

Choking the corporatists also means taking back the law and putting citizens first and foremost.

As to your closing remark, perhaps you should work on your civility Gary...most unbecoming.
681) Message boards : Politics : So let me ask this... (Message 1079481)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
This teabagger squawking is just recycled libertarian rubbish.
Where were the teabags when Bush was power diving the country into the ground?
Where were the teabags when Reagan was doing the same?

If you don't get the corporations in a choke hold right now, there's no stopping the damage and suffering.

If the teabaggers were really serious about saving the country, they'd elect intelligent people to govern. This pack of teabag fools you elected in Nov are like Village Idiots
682) Message boards : Politics : Cost of being a good neighbour! (Message 1079376)
Posted 19 Feb 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
What is the definition of democracy?

What is the definition of socialism?

Do you think that they are the same ??

Do you believe that ones well being should depend upon his efforts and achievements ??


Democracy and Socialism aren't mutually exclusive.
Hell, you can have free votes for independant or party candidates while still allowing the state to control the means of production.

I don't believe in allowing people to starve in the streets if your last question is leading that way.
Many people can put forth great efforts yet achieve nothing, while others apply zero effort and still the dividend cheques keep coming. That's just the way it is.

683) Message boards : Politics : Cost of being a good neighbour! (Message 1078934)
Posted 18 Feb 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
We enjoy it too
684) Message boards : Politics : Beating down the working people (Message 1078933)
Posted 18 Feb 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
LOL
Don't let all the power go to your head
685) Message boards : Politics : Beating down the working people (Message 1078924)
Posted 18 Feb 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Time to wake up and face reality, folks.



Agreed, and the reality that all Americans must face is that yours is the most business driven society on Earth.
Government policies, both foreign and domestic, are geared to support and enhance the powerful elites who control the corporations.

Unions are demonized by the elites because they give the working people the only real opportunity to challenge that power.
Unions are a force for democracy in the workplace.

Corporations are not structured as a democracy, they are structured after the model of a fascist state. They are a system in which all decisions and all power is held by the very few at the top.

Most of you claim to revere your American freedoms, yet accept the role of subservient peasant in the workplace.
This is not a healthy situation for a country which claims to be the greatest democracy on the planet.

It's citizens, who are indoctrinated into believing in the top down power structure at work will soon come to accept that same behaviour from their government.
If you can't see this happening already, than I fear it's too late to stop it.

686) Message boards : Politics : Why Are OFF topic posts allowed ? (Message 1078847)
Posted 18 Feb 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Did you notice how I cleverly brought the thread back to the topic out of Canadian politeness to Robert Ribbeck?
687) Message boards : Politics : Why Are OFF topic posts allowed ? (Message 1078845)
Posted 18 Feb 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I notice this thread itself is more like a living entity than a laser beam.
I wonder where this discussion will lead?
688) Message boards : Politics : Why Are OFF topic posts allowed ? (Message 1078843)
Posted 18 Feb 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Well, let me give you a big Canadian thank you Chris S.

I'm told we're considered by the rest of the world to be very polite here in Canada.
689) Message boards : Politics : Curveball uses US to take out Saddam? (Message 1078825)
Posted 18 Feb 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
History covers a long time and that 100 club may be beyond his accomplishments along that line during 8 years of madness.
There are some who've enjoyed a long lifetime of killing throughout history.
690) Message boards : Politics : Why Are OFF topic posts allowed ? (Message 1078823)
Posted 18 Feb 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Because a discussion isn't like a laser beam. It's a living entity and will wander as more input is added.
At least, that's how it happens in Canada.
691) Message boards : Politics : Beating down the working people (Message 1078819)
Posted 18 Feb 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I've worked in union and non-union jobs.
I've worked in the private and the public sectors.

Funny thing. Everywhere I've worked the people are the same.
The private sector wasn't filled with Superman employees and the public sector isn't filled with lay-abouts.

If public sector employees have better benefits, it's due to the union and the solidarity of the members.
If the private sector has less, it's due to the loss of the culture of solidarity that unions bring to working people.

Anyone spouting the republican/conservative/right wing/neo-con/libertarian points of view is a willing dupe of the overlords in a class war being fought against working people the world over.

If you work for wages. If you work for someone else's enrichment. If you have no input into the conditions you work under, you need a union.
It's the only way that working people have of advancing their best interests.
692) Message boards : Politics : Cost of being a good neighbour! (Message 1078541)
Posted 17 Feb 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Maybe they supported afganistan
another first for their supporting US policy


You do realize that Canada is a sovereign nation with it's own laws and goals, social order and mores that are seperate from American laws and goals.
What makes someone like you think the role Canadians should play in world events is one of lapdog to US policy?

693) Message boards : Politics : Cost of being a good neighbour! (Message 1078444)
Posted 17 Feb 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I just heard it on CBC news.
The land of the free just became the land of paid admission. LOL
694) Message boards : Politics : Curveball uses US to take out Saddam? (Message 1078399)
Posted 17 Feb 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
This is absolute proof that Bush didn't lie, but he was willing to be taken for a ride.


If you are claiming that Bush was a doofus fool, I can agree.
If you are going to state that the most powerful intelligence gathering mechanism on the planet, the US government, was fooled by one dude with a grudge then you and I are again in disagreement.
Bush lied but now has some other asshat to blame it on.
695) Message boards : Politics : Beating down the working people (Message 1077973)
Posted 16 Feb 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Working people, union or not, better wake up.
It's not enough that manufacturing, production and assembly jobs have gone overseas, now the wealthy pampered elites want to crush the wages of working people.

I suppose they think the dirty people are too well off.

http://www.thenation.com/video/158600/wisconsins-attack-public-employees-could-lead-nationwide-campaign

http://www.theprogressiveprofessor.com/?p=13603

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thelookout/20110104/ts_yblog_thelookout/states-congress-ready-assault-on-labor

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/13/943816/-So-called-Right-to-Work-and-the-assault-on-the-middle-class

http://socialistworker.org/blog/critical-reading/2010/06/08/republicans-and-democrats-atta

If the American workforce drops the ball on this issue I fear our northern republicans going by the name conservatives here in Canada will feel emboldened to follow.
Following is one thing right wingers do very well.
696) Message boards : Politics : SocialSecurity in Far Worse Shape Than You Think (Message 1076827)
Posted 13 Feb 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Government taking funds from it did hurry the process, but ponzi schemes never mathematically work.

I believe when FDR started Social Insecurity, there were 11 workers for every retiree. Today there are just under 3 workers for every retiree.

Today it's a lot of promises and there's little cash behind it. We should transition to a private system where there aren't smoke and mirrors created by do-gooders.


Very nice. You've pulled some numbers out of your backside and we are expected to trust you.
Doesn't matter, let's use your numbers.

So there are less than 3 workers for every retiree. (wow)
How does your private system change the ratio?

Won't the numbers remain the same whether the system is public or private?
SHEESH
697) Message boards : Politics : Somali pirates......... (Message 1076825)
Posted 13 Feb 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I realize there's no big explosion, no flames and no blood, but this seems a more reasonable solution to the problem of piracy while allowing time to sort out the social problems driving men to desperate acts.

Perhaps the laser device could be phallic shaped just enough to provide Keith with enough arousal stimulus to make him happy too.

http://www.gizmag.com/bae-systems-anti-pirate-laser/17579/
698) Message boards : Politics : Somali pirates......... (Message 1076531)
Posted 12 Feb 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

I get aroused everytime another hellfire missile or a JDAM is deployed


Decorum keeps me from describing the mental picture this brings...suffice to say that this quote answers many questions.
699) Message boards : Politics : Happy Birthday Reagan (Message 1075555)
Posted 9 Feb 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Here's a legacy that would make Emperor Caligula feel shame.
If there's an afterlife, this maniac is swimming in a sulfur pool.

http://readersupportednews.org/off-site-opinion-section/102-102/4859-ronald-reagan-enabler-of-atrocities
700) Message boards : Politics : Scenario... (Message 1072487)
Posted 30 Jan 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The owner of a family business producing widgets passes away.

Keith
You are the one who started this string with this opening sentence.
701) Message boards : Politics : Let's hear the right wing howl about this one too (Message 1072485)
Posted 30 Jan 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
A Tobin tax wouldn't hurt the small investor. It's a minimal tax on any movement of funds within the market.
The little investor with their pension hopes invested isn't moving that around the world a thousand times a day while speculating on foreign currencies.
702) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : Atmospheric pressure, space pressure.. (Message 1072063)
Posted 29 Jan 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Take off.

All the non-Canadians are going to feel left out. LOL
703) Message boards : Politics : Let's hear the right wing howl about this one too (Message 1071954)
Posted 29 Jan 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
It's a simple thing. A small tax on stock transactions can amount to huge revenue to the state.
A Tobin Tax doesn't hurt the super rich and doesn't mean squat to those of us not playing silly buggers with the market.

http://www.nader.org/index.php?/archives/2236-Letter-to-Governor-Elect-Andrew-Cuomo-regarding-A-Stock-Transfer-Tax.html
704) Message boards : Cafe SETI : UOTD SciManStev (Message 1071789)
Posted 29 Jan 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Alright...User of the Day
What are you planning to do with all the cash and swag?
LOL atta boy
705) Message boards : Politics : Scenario... (Message 1071787)
Posted 29 Jan 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I always enjoy a giggle when scenarios like this come along.
The concern seems to be the plight of the poor employees by the way the story unfolds.
Yes, we better not allow that awful inheritance tax or all the working people will be out on the street. LOL

The bottom line is the family of the dead dude will still be filthy rich even after a tax of 75% on all monies, so don't weep for the poor little rich kids.
706) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : This universe of ours is interesting (Message 1071704)
Posted 28 Jan 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.astronomy.com/en/News-Observing/News/2011/01/First%20light%20for%20Virus-W%20spectrograph.aspx
707) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Another 'meow' moment..... (Message 1071587)
Posted 28 Jan 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

A lotta hangers around, cuz they think it might be cool to associate with me.


You really believe this?
I'll say this about you msattler...you have multiple personal and psychological disorders (you've listed them for all to see) but no one can ever accuse you of suffering from low self esteem.
LOL
WOW
708) Message boards : Cafe SETI : The Goofy Questions thread 2...... (Message 1070889)
Posted 26 Jan 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
If you are on enough pain medication and drop an anvil on your foot, it won't hurt.


Actually, with the right medication it will still hurt, but you just won't care. LOL
709) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : This universe of ours is interesting (Message 1070887)
Posted 26 Jan 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.spacetelescope.org/news/heic1103/
710) Message boards : Cafe SETI : ?! (Message 1070863)
Posted 26 Jan 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
since no one at the seti cafe don't know what to do can't write or participate I am going home and find a better place where the patrons are not so standoffish.


I tried PaulDHarris
My problem is being on graveyard shift as a city worker running heavy equipment for snow removal.
I can only seem to find the energy to check in every few days because we've been working overtime for 3 1/2 weeks steady...and just when we think we're caught up, another dump of that horrid white frozen water comes falling from the cruel skies.

I'm pleased to see you've not given up on the SetiHeads quite yet.
That's all I've got...time to get some sleep. More OT tonight.
711) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : This universe of ours is interesting (Message 1070667)
Posted 26 Jan 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.astronomy.com/en/News-Observing/News/2011/01/Runaway%20star%20plows%20through%20space.aspx
712) Message boards : Cafe SETI : A bit of better news for the kittyman. (Message 1070267)
Posted 24 Jan 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
It is what it is
You'll survive or you won't
We'll cry or just not notice
The universe will continue
It doesn't know about us
It doesn't need us

The message is moving at the speed of light
My chances just improved by .000000000000000000001%
No big whoop
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
This has been my first poetic offering to the Seti Forums
713) Message boards : Cafe SETI : ?! (Message 1070262)
Posted 24 Jan 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I remember August of '99 like it was yesterday. Well, seeing as dad died on his birthday six years before he was born and mom made her special bacon flavoured birthday cake every day of August, except the day dad was born you can see why August of '99 really sticks in my mind.

The events of August of '99 started, unknowingly to us at the time, with dad coming up from the cellar holding what seemed to be a time traveler's key chain. It seems the first person in human history to travel in time ended up in our cellar. Leaping from his device, he proudly claimed the entire territory as the property of future generations... well, he started to make the claim but was cut short when my startled dad whacked him on the top of his head with a half empty bottle of Hudson Bay Gin.

Time had run out for the time traveler, but...
714) Message boards : Politics : Corporations do more good than people or a person. (Message 1070251)
Posted 24 Jan 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Well, I suppose the Holy Rollers will take issue with your line of thought.
Personally, it's clearly untrue and unworthy of comment.

Having now made a comment, I retire from the thread.
715) Message boards : Politics : Corporations are NOT people (Message 1070228)
Posted 24 Jan 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'm confident that everyone can agree on this one item.
Only a member of the human race can be allowed the status of person.
One must be living, breathing and self aware while sharing the same basic sets of genes as the rest of the human race.

Corporations are vehicles of capitalism and industrial enterprise.
They exist as a product of the state and are less alive than a virus...although the behaviours are similar.

If you agree that corporations are not to be considered a person...

http://pol.moveon.org/constitutionalamendment/?rc=fb.taf.alt
716) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : Atmospheric pressure, space pressure.. (Message 1070071)
Posted 24 Jan 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
...but it's a dry cold.
717) Message boards : Politics : SocialSecurity in Far Worse Shape Than You Think (Message 1069985)
Posted 23 Jan 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
You and I agree with Robert Reich


Ain't that the truth.
It feels so right to be in agreement with someone with such credentials and position and such a history of involvment.

The other option would be to agree with some guy named Keith, who presents no verifiable credentials, refers to himself/herself in the single name manner much like Cher or Madonna and who seems to enjoy spouting the same garbage as is presented on Faux Network.

I feel we are on the moral and factual high ground on this issue skildude.


718) Message boards : Politics : SocialSecurity in Far Worse Shape Than You Think (Message 1069900)
Posted 23 Jan 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Social Security is fine.
The Canada Pension Plan is fine.

Why do the neo-cons in both countries want you scared? Because there's big money waiting for them if they can only get you to support individual retirement plans. Every transaction is money in their pockets.

Want to add a level of insurance to the pension plans of both coutries?
Remove the ceiling on contributions.
In Canada, that ceiling is $46,300.
No further contributions are required above that amount.

Make all earnings subject to contribution to the plans. Let's hear the gnashing of teeth from the trust fund babies and dividend dorks now.
719) Message boards : Politics : Now I guess I should have my say....... (Message 1069895)
Posted 23 Jan 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The Nuge is a total whack-job.
This is one of those lifeforms with enough resources to be able to hide from the carnage he supports in the streets.

In the world he seeks, everyone settles scores with a quick draw right there in the street.
Of course, all this goes on while he watches from behind high walls and tight security.
None of us can afford to send the hired help out into the mayhem to do our shopping and errands. None of us can stay home collecting royalties instead of going to work every day.
He wouldn't have to exist in the world outside his gated palace.

Don't buy into Nuge's delirium of another wild west. It is simplistic, reactionary and just plain moronic.
720) Message boards : Politics : Why we're a divided nation (Message 1069893)
Posted 23 Jan 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

It is interesting the few posts so far have shown a little proof of the message of the thread.

And it is not a Divided Nation, it is a Divided World.

iWorm 'em.


Once again, if it happens in the US then it must be everywhere.

DW thinks this thread is a cross section of world opinion but fails to realize that every post (until this one) is from an American.

I will give America credit for being the best at being the worst when it comes to political discourse.
721) Message boards : Politics : How many people actually use Facebook on a regular basis? (Message 1067222)
Posted 16 Jan 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I use it quite often. There are pages in there from most things of interest along with quick contact with friends.

722) Message boards : Politics : Somali pirates......... (Message 1067057)
Posted 15 Jan 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Kill 'em all and let God sort them out!

Why go to the trouble of finding out what is driving these men out to sea to commit such desperate acts?
Why seek a solution to the desperate poverty and hunger these people are facing when we can just blow them all up?

Once again, our resident gun fanatic arrives at the most simplistic and reactionary solution. Shoot them all.

723) Message boards : Politics : Who to vote for in 2012 (Message 1065805)
Posted 12 Jan 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Whatever
724) Message boards : Politics : Democrats still blame Bush (Message 1065803)
Posted 12 Jan 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Democrats still blame Bush

At least they focus on the recent past while the republicans are still squawking about Roosevelt. LOL
725) Message boards : Politics : Who to vote for in 2012 (Message 1065785)
Posted 12 Jan 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
MajorKong, my thoughts on libertarians is summed up in one sentence from my post.

"Be afraid of this party of and for the corporatists and the wealthy."

I'm curious as to your reasoning in asking my politics. You must be aware that I'm way left of center and my voting reflects my belief system.

My first choice, all candidates being equal, is the New Democratic Party.
As I live in a parliamentary democracy with a greater selection of parties to consider, there has been times where the Green Party or Liberal Party candidate received my vote due to being the superior choice.

I believe in the welfare state, even though your republicans/libertarians have made that almost a four letter word.
I believe in nationalizing all utilities commonly used by the citizens, such as telephone, electric, railroads, oil and gas, mining... everything that is of necessity to everyday life or of strategic importance to the national and common good.

726) Message boards : Politics : Who to vote for in 2012 (Message 1065512)
Posted 11 Jan 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Before even considering the libertarian option, one should know what they are getting into.

Be afraid of this party of and for the corporatists and the wealthy.

http://world.std.com/~mhuben/libindex.html
727) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : This universe of ours is interesting (Message 1065416)
Posted 11 Jan 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.spacetelescope.org/images/potw1102a/
728) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : This universe of ours is interesting (Message 1065415)
Posted 11 Jan 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.astronomy.com/en/News-Observing/News/2011/01/Fermis%20Large%20Area%20Telescope%20sees%20surprising%20flares%20in%20Crab%20Nebula.aspx
729) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : This universe of ours is interesting (Message 1065414)
Posted 11 Jan 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.astronomy.com/en/News-Observing/News/2011/01/Dwarf%20galaxy%20harbors%20supermassive%20black%20hole.aspx
730) Message boards : Politics : HAHAHA! Dennis Miller: The Big Speech (Message 1062993)
Posted 3 Jan 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
He's too embittered to be funny
731) Message boards : Politics : The Simple Math of CO2 Reduction (Message 1062992)
Posted 3 Jan 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Barack is telling the world we Americans are willing to turn off the heat , eat uncooked food, and turn off the lights 42% of the time. We will have to drive tiny little cars and trucks. The buildings we work in (or live in) will be insufferably hot in the summer and icy cold in the winter. Curtailing economic activity means more of us will be unemployed and even if we do have a job, it will not pay a living wage. (Unless of course, you happen to be a Washington insider.) More of us will be living in poverty. Health care will definitely deteriorate. In other words, by 2030 America’s economy will look just like Cuba’s economy.


In reality, this has been our destiny since globalization became the new way to beat the working class down.




732) Message boards : Politics : South American development (Message 1062988)
Posted 3 Jan 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Hugo Chavez may be somewhat more blustering than Morales but he too has threatened the US model for economic development by socializing industries.

There is a greater good and the needs of the people outweigh the wants of the elites.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=22602
733) Message boards : Politics : South American development (Message 1062984)
Posted 3 Jan 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I started a new thread so as not to hijack the Understanding US Politics thread.

Morales represents everything the elites fear. He has socialized many industries that were once cash cows for a privileged few and he has taken the profits from these industries and put them to work for the people.

This first link is Noam Chomsky speaking about Bolivia:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bwPuWu2jGw&feature=related


Here is an interview with Evo Morales broadcast on Jazeera:
Part 1... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zOdPP1ruHdk

Part 2... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zibjQzJizU&feature=channel

The man is quite sincere in his goals for his country. The US portrays him as some sort of radical communist thug because he threatens the economic development model featured as the centerpiece of US foreign aid.
734) Message boards : Politics : Sam Harris writing in the Huffington Post (Message 1062957)
Posted 3 Jan 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Bye Bye
735) Message boards : Politics : Sam Harris writing in the Huffington Post (Message 1062917)
Posted 3 Jan 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The neo-cons and libertarians like the idea of "pay as you go" so why not have the super rich pampered elites pay for the privilege of being wealthy in a stable and generally peaceful, healthy environment such as North America?

I think those who would not pay their share in a progressive taxation system should be free to leave and go be rich in the Congo, Bangladesh or some other region of poverty created by the free market.

How safe do they think they'd be living as they do in Afghanistan?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sam-harris/a-new-years-resolution-fo_b_802480.html
736) Message boards : Politics : Understanding USA Politics (Message 1062871)
Posted 2 Jan 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

As far as 'true socialism' goes, there has never been a successful example of it on any sort of a large scale beyond just a few people. Human nature gets in the way. And that won't change, any time in the near future. Greed, power, control...

True socialism fails in the presence of these. At least market capitalism, while it may not be a totally perfect system, works better the more widespread these are.



I would suggest we look at the work being done by Chavez, Morales and Kirchner among others, as they lead their South American countries out of the crushing poverty imposed upon them by the market capitalists.

The main opposition socialism faces is the "greed, power, contol..." exercised by those who stand to lose their vast fortunes and privileges.
737) Message boards : Politics : Understanding USA Politics (Message 1062816)
Posted 2 Jan 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

I see that you seem to agree with me for the most part. I don't see why you have to be so derogatory of my statement as a whole, calling it a spiel, making many of the same points, just in slightly different ways.



MajorKong
It would seem I do owe an apology to you in this instance. My response was unduly harsh and in going over your post once more, I see that I must have skimmed through without really reading it.
In future, I will try to be more attentive while reading through these threads.

One point I would like to clarify about your statement that both parties are becoming more socialist in nature is the form of socialism you use in this explanation.
True socialism in it's basic form means the benefits and profits of production are redistributed within the society for the betterment of all, not simply the enrichment of a select few.
As Noam Chomsky asks, “Why shouldn't the workers own the factory they work in?”

The only “socialism” I see happening in the US going unquestioned is the socializing of financial risk. The system is built on the premise that the super rich can never really lose. They are protected from loss by favorable tax deductions on losses and direct handouts in hard times.

These recipients of governments policies geared toward protecting private wealth are the same lifeforms who constantly bombard the population with the idea of survival of the fittest.
Their Darwinian view of life seems to apply only to those who are not part of the elite class and live outside the privileged “Too big to fail” status.



738) Message boards : Politics : 47% of households will pay NO federal Income tax ! (Message 1062805)
Posted 2 Jan 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
"Far out in the uncharted backwaters of the unfashionable end of the Western spiral arm of the galaxy lies a small unregarded yellow sun. Orbiting this, at a distance of roughly ninety million miles is an utterly insignificant little blue-green planet, whose ape descended life forms are so amazingly primitive that they still think digital watches are a pretty neat idea. This planet has, or had, a problem, which was this. Most of the people living on it were unhappy for pretty much of the time. Many solutions were suggested for this problem, but most of these were largely concerned with the movements of small, green pieces of paper, which is odd, because on the whole, it wasn’t the small, green pieces of paper which were unhappy. And so the problem remained, and lots of the people were mean, and most of them were miserable, even the ones with digital watches."


Ahhhhh
Douglas Adams
One of the greats
739) Message boards : Politics : Understanding USA Politics (Message 1062418)
Posted 1 Jan 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Chris S
You can believe that whole speel posted by MajorKong or you can look at the reality of the facts.
The United States has one political party. It is the party of the super rich and the corporations.

The party of the super rich has two divisions, each of which fight for the right to form government and do so under the watchful eye of their super rich masters.

The super rich don't care which, republican or democrat, forms government because the policies and wants of the super rich will still be advanced.

This is why I laugh when anyone calls the democrats a pack of socialists.
The people who say this are either politically naive or they are part of the lie.
740) Message boards : Politics : NYC Storm Issues (Message 1062416)
Posted 1 Jan 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Wow, that's some article Blurf. Looks like something written directly by the republican/libertarian propaganda dep't.

I'm a street worker in my city. I run the plows and heavy equipment so I obviously will tend to cut those guys some slack.
Every snowfall comes with it's own personality. I'm not in New York, but if the #1 routes are plugged with buried cars, the foremen or supervisors would send the trucks into the secondary routes. It only makes sense.

There's no way in hell that the workforce would be sent out with the instructions to "make the mayor pay".
741) Message boards : Politics : Swinging to the "Right" (Message 1062411)
Posted 1 Jan 2011 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Seems to me there is a great movement of socialization going on, not a swing to the right.


A globalized manufacturing system is the furtherst thing from socialism I can conceive of.
This is a huge step backward, reaching so far back to be almost in the slave trade.
What could be more profitable than slavery? No unions, no wages, no health care, no pensions and absolute corporate control over every aspect of the working person's life.

There is nothing socialist about the fact the powerful wealthy pampered elites decided to increase their profitability by taking away opportunities for working people in the western democracies.

I can only speculate on these wealthy pigs as they sit around the pool and scheme of more ways to make use of desperate populations in the third world while driving their own countrymen and women further down.
742) Message boards : Politics : $50.00 lesson (Message 1062134)
Posted 31 Dec 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I have asked our friend, Robert, up in Canada at least one very specific question about health care, and he has ignored it.



I didn't ignore anything but I guess I missed this question.
Some of these posts are tiresomely long and there's no way I'm starting at the top again to look for it.

Please repeat the one specific question about health care and I will try to answer it
743) Message boards : Politics : Why is edumacation so expensive? (Message 1061426)
Posted 30 Dec 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Because students have almost unlimited access to credit, universities are able to raise tuitions without the limits market discipline would otherwise enforce.



I have stayed out of the recent rounds of disussion because I recognize a cyclical trend of right winger venom and I see no point in arguing with someone who's going to disappear and be replaced by another neo-con zombie.

Having said this I feel the need to respond to this little piece of nonsense posted by Keith.
So the blame for high tuitions lies at the feet of those taking loans to attend college.
What drivel.
Of course, without stating it, this guy is clearly in favour of the wealthy pampered elites having unfettered access to education but would justify the removal of access to loans for those born into families without vast resources.

He seems quite happy to limit healthcare to these same people who can afford anything.
I'd really hate to be someone without a trust fund and a rich daddy in the world Keith advocates. It sounds very self concerned and childishly selfish.

Everything this lifeform posts is directly out of the Libertarian Handbook and ends up directly supporting the wealthy and the corporatists.

Thanks for all the insights bud.
Now I'm off to work
744) Message boards : Politics : $50.00 lesson (Message 1059738)
Posted 26 Dec 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I guess the secret is out...I'm not a Rand zombie.
745) Message boards : Politics : $50.00 lesson (Message 1059704)
Posted 25 Dec 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Is there some sort of Libertarian Convention coming up?
All the corporatist/wealthy elite supporters seem to be extra vocal recently.
Please keep the Anne Rand quotes to a minimum. LOL
746) Message boards : Politics : $50.00 lesson (Message 1059461)
Posted 24 Dec 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I don't blame you skildude.
This is like dealing with Rush or ScaryCapitalist.
Even the wording in this guy's arguments look the same.

They've all pulled themselves out of poverty, they've all travelled the world and seen "real" poverty and they all have first hand knowledge of people trying to rip off the system.

I think this is just another doink from some right wing PR company who's paid to spout off.
Probably in the cubicle next to Rush. LOL

I don't argue anymore. I just state my case and let them spout off until they're blue in the face.
747) Message boards : Politics : 47% of households will pay NO federal Income tax ! (Message 1059421)
Posted 24 Dec 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
A trend that may interest the real middle of the road person.

Leftists tend to seek the good in people while righties always seem to see people (read this as "poor people") as abusers of the system.

I think it goes back to the Cadillac driving black welfare mothers that Reagan made so famous in his statements as president while he rode the train down the losing his mind track.
748) Message boards : Politics : $50.00 lesson (Message 1059130)
Posted 23 Dec 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Blah Blah Blah
Republicans, as demonstrated here, care nothing about those worse off than themselves.
"Screw em. It's their own fault they are living under a bridge." seems to be the mantra.
A surprisingly high number of those "useless and lazy" homeless are veterans.
Republicans love the soldier but hate the veteran.
Republicans choose life then support the death penalty.
Republicans, the party of contradiction where Christ is their saviour but if you end up poor it's due to some personal flaw in your own character and are unworthy of help.

Christ, as represented in the bible, was a socialist.
He didn't say "Go forth and amass great wealth."
He said "What you do to the least of my brothers you also do to me."

Merry Christmas

Reposted with offending word removed and my apologies to the mods
749) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Winter Solstice (Message 1058528)
Posted 21 Dec 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
We missed the eclipse due to cloud cover.
Oh well, we'll just catch it next time it happens on the solstice. LOL
750) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Post your age, if you dare. (Message 1058525)
Posted 21 Dec 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Born in 1957, the dawn of the space age.
If 53 years is good enough for Sputnik, it's plenty good enough for me too.
751) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : This universe of ours is interesting (Message 1058248)
Posted 21 Dec 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://cs.astronomy.com/asycs/blogs/astronomy/archive/2010/12/20/become-a-planet-hunter.aspx
752) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Merry Christmas to all who celebrate the season (Message 1057630)
Posted 18 Dec 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Today is a Humbug day...I'll try to leave a warm greeting later.
753) Message boards : Politics : Wiki Leaks and free speech (Message 1057629)
Posted 18 Dec 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Here's something you can put your name to if you agree with the statement.

http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/592/p/dia/action/public/index.sjs?action_KEY=5343
754) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : This universe of ours is interesting (Message 1057347)
Posted 18 Dec 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.astronomy.com/en/News-Observing/News/2010/12/Herschel%20looks%20back%20in%20time%20to%20see%20todays%20stars%20bursting%20into%20life.aspx
755) Message boards : Politics : Budget ifor 2010 is a JOKE (Message 1057115)
Posted 17 Dec 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Hey Robert
Why the mental distress about what other people earn?
If you think a nice round number like $1,000 per week sounds good, then scoot on down to Berkeley and hand in your resume.

Personally, I couldn't get by on that little, so you'll have no competition from me for the job.
756) Message boards : Politics : Wiki Leaks and free speech (Message 1056983)
Posted 17 Dec 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
If a life is lost because of the leak, the people involved should be punished.


Dick Cheney's release of Valerie Plame's CIA activities was much more dangerous and I don't recall much hand wringing by the rightists after that one.

757) Message boards : Politics : Budget ifor 2010 is a JOKE (Message 1056822)
Posted 17 Dec 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
$52,000 per year for rocket scientists?
Sounds like a hell of a bargain to me. I'd double that figure if I were in charge.
758) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : Voyager getting close getting out (Message 1056495)
Posted 16 Dec 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thanks Pasi
It's hard to believe that 33 years have past since humanity sent Voyager 1 on this great adventure.
These are very interesting articles.
759) Message boards : Politics : Washington State to Tax Marijuana..... (Message 1056300)
Posted 15 Dec 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Could the state be aiming for a tax evasion angle to add to whatever charges are laid against someone caught selling?
760) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : 2012 - real or not? (Message 1056177)
Posted 15 Dec 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'd be much more impressed with the Mayan calendar if it had predicted their own end as the dominant culture.

If the rock they carved this calendar onto had been larger, this discussion wouldn't be coming up for another couple of centuries. (they would have had more room to extend it further into the future)
761) Message boards : Politics : Wiki Leaks and free speech (Message 1055967)
Posted 14 Dec 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Strangely, seeing a post from Dena for the first time in a while, in this very thread, and not reading her responding to your error is shocking.
Then again, maybe she steers around reading much of what you have to say, Robert. And I think it's more than just conservatives steering around you, Robert. ;)


I may be tired after a long all night shift or my computer may be malfunctioning, but I have looked this thread up and down several times and can find nothing posted by Dena.
I guess she steered so wide that she slid out of the forums.
762) Message boards : Cafe SETI : S@H Song Dedication Thread (Message 1055964)
Posted 14 Dec 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
A dedication to the SETI@Home crew is a darned good idea Es99...Thanks kids.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5iOiLX5ppA
763) Message boards : Politics : Wiki Leaks and free speech (Message 1055962)
Posted 14 Dec 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Well Sarge, I read quotes like this one and I guess I just take a leap of faith that the author is supportive of Wilson...

I have been living in a socialist like country all my life and while it hasn't treated me all that bad, I fear very much what we are becoming because it could become very evil. To understand what we are dealing with you should read Woodrow wilson and the Roots of Modern Liberalism. This book will put you in the head of of the Progressive movement and you will find by wilson's own words that the end goal is form of government very much like what Russia had before 1990.

PS:
If you are going to quote me, that's fine but please don't proceed to misquote me in your own text under it.
764) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : This universe of ours is interesting (Message 1055953)
Posted 14 Dec 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.spacetelescope.org/news/heic1018/
765) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : This universe of ours is interesting (Message 1055800)
Posted 14 Dec 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com//seth-shostak/when-one-big-bang-is-not-_b_796009.html
766) Message boards : Cafe SETI : S@H Song Dedication Thread (Message 1055580)
Posted 13 Dec 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Dedicated to all those who drag their arse out to provide for their families.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njG7p6CSbCU
767) Message boards : Cafe SETI : S@H Song Dedication Thread (Message 1055553)
Posted 13 Dec 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I have a best friend that's my wife Valerie for over 30years
So this is for her

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWGDeBFLsf8


I gave life to the link posted by platium


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWGDeBFLsf8
768) Message boards : Cafe SETI : S@H Song Dedication Thread (Message 1055314)
Posted 12 Dec 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I would like to dedicate this one Angela.
She's almost always upbeat and positive.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RTWzsGO4Zc
769) Message boards : Politics : Wiki Leaks and free speech (Message 1055166)
Posted 11 Dec 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The jackboot coming down on our freedoms has been enabled by people like Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and those who would vacantly follow them over the edge.

Dena loves to speak of Woodrow Wilson as a great hero of the American people but neglects to look any deeper into his actions than her right wing asshat Guru permits.
Freedom is being crushed due to the blind acceptance of authoritative rule by those who refuse to think situations through to their conclusions.

How does that old quote go?
When fascism comes to America, it will be carrying the flag and wrapped in religion.
770) Message boards : Cafe SETI : So sad. (Message 1055162)
Posted 11 Dec 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Mark
What the hell do messages like this mean to anyone who exists outside of your head?
771) Message boards : Number crunching : Splitters is now running. New work is coming. (Message 1053994)
Posted 8 Dec 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
It's Christmas come early.

Thanks to the crew down there in Berkeley.
772) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : This universe of ours is interesting (Message 1053775)
Posted 8 Dec 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Wink Interesting findings


HEY!!!
LOL
773) Message boards : Politics : Your Taxes AT Risk... Tricky Title (Message 1053476)
Posted 7 Dec 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Bernie Sanders is always an inspiration.

There's been a class war going on since the Reagan era and anyone who can't see it is deluded, willfully blind or "below average".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5OtB298fHY
774) Message boards : Politics : Your Taxes AT Risk... Tricky Title (Message 1052745)
Posted 3 Dec 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Now tell me what is the motivation to do more than just hunt and gather enough for today? How does a complex society come into existence?



You fail to recognize that the overwhelming majority of people with vast wealth did nothing to aquire it. They were born into wealth and inherited their great fortunes.
These people seem to do alright with no outside motivation. They wake up, are spoon fed while still lying in bed and then spend a tough day lounging by the pool while the dividend cheques pour in.
Then they cap the day off with dinner and cocktails at the club.
775) Message boards : Politics : Your Taxes AT Risk... Tricky Title (Message 1052519)
Posted 2 Dec 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I see no reason why the wealthy shouldn't pay extra for the priviledge of living in a country that allowed them to become rich in the first place.

Their extra contributions go toward the education of the workforce they rely upon, the construction, maintenance and safety of infrastructure they rely upon and the security (police-fire-armed forces)they rely upon.

Dig deep pampered wealthy elites
776) Message boards : Cafe SETI : NASA announcement thursday (Message 1052061)
Posted 30 Nov 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
They will announce the discovery of extraterrestrial life, but this lifeform lives on a 12 mile wide asteroid and is coming toward the Earth at 47,000 miles per hour.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=louXPUW7tHU
777) Message boards : Politics : Flying Wednesday in the USA? (Message 1050749)
Posted 24 Nov 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Be sure to moan a lot and ask for seconds.
778) Message boards : Cafe SETI : A moment of your time........ (Message 1049748)
Posted 20 Nov 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Yup
It's Friday
779) Message boards : Cafe SETI : SETI : The Searching Sound (Message 1049185)
Posted 18 Nov 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
SorinC
That was fabulous. You seem to have captured the essence and spirit of the search.
780) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Youtube development, a hack, a workaround? (Message 1048200)
Posted 13 Nov 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I went there and viewed the movie Blankman, but only because I didn't have to sign up.
So far, nothing bad has happened.
781) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Just me maing my mistakes........ (Message 1047943)
Posted 13 Nov 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
It's one of my all time favorite movies.
782) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Youtube development, a hack, a workaround? (Message 1047942)
Posted 13 Nov 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Hey Scarecrow
Is this for real? I'm always nervous about signing up to websites.
I'd hate to end up with a computer full of spyware and trojans.

Have you been using this site for long and have you ever encountered any problems?
It seems too good to be true.
783) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : This universe of ours is interesting (Message 1047539)
Posted 11 Nov 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.astronomy.com/en/News-Observing/News/2010/11/Giant%20structure%20in%20our%20galaxy.aspx
784) Message boards : Politics : 'I REMEMBER, SO I'M VOTIN n I AIN'T VOTIN REPUBLICAN' (Message 1046916)
Posted 7 Nov 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
and...
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/11/05-3
785) Message boards : Politics : 'I REMEMBER, SO I'M VOTIN n I AIN'T VOTIN REPUBLICAN' (Message 1046914)
Posted 7 Nov 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/11/07-2
786) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Oh, here I go again.......... (Message 1046764)
Posted 7 Nov 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Save our boys for other things.
God gave then for what life brings.

They were not to be pawns.
But meant to see more dawns.
I suppose you think me trite
for stating what is right.

But I just can't sleep an night,
Knowing some's son still has to fight.


And for what?

Our liberty?

Christ, that has been bought and paid for with blood so many times.


If we would only address our energy problems in our own backyard, we would not have to make excuses to go to war in the name of........you guessed it......oil.



There are areas of agreement between us Mark
787) Message boards : Cafe SETI : If you worry about being on your own, you're not. (Message 1046644)
Posted 6 Nov 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I don't worry about being alone Mark.
I can face the abyss for what it is without having to fill it with magical creatures.
788) Message boards : Politics : Hard for me to say this......... (Message 1046639)
Posted 6 Nov 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
What part of Ted's argument do you not understand????????


The part where every citizen can take justice into their own hands and deliver capital punishment at a whim.

The part where every citizen is armed to the teeth and the streets become some insane version of a Sam Peckinpaw movie.(probably spelled the name wrong)

The part where a multi millionaire can advocate for such craziness on the streets while he is one of the few priviledged elites who can afford to hide behind walled properties and hire protection from the idiots he's encouraging outside.
789) Message boards : Politics : 'I REMEMBER, SO I'M VOTIN n I AIN'T VOTIN REPUBLICAN' (Message 1045929)
Posted 4 Nov 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
he control the evil jews who were running the business that were keeping the german people down,



What the hell is this Dena?
I think empty minds like yours were the fodder for Hitler's rise.
You use words with no understanding beyond the definitions given by Beck.
You spout strange concepts that are historically incorrect but woven together to make sense in the chimp minds of Beck followers.

You frustrate anyone attempting to speak truth to you with your Beckerhead logic.
It's like you've lived in a cave for most of your life, with no access to real knowledge, history or current events.
Suddenly, you find some twirp who speaks at such a level that you feel connected and there's just no turning you away.

Enjoy your teabag party with all the other racists and hate mongers.
790) Message boards : Politics : Am I getting too cynical? (Message 1045737)
Posted 3 Nov 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
An idea came to me while working today.
I haven't read anything even closely related to this and I'm hoping that I'm way out in left field with this idea.

The corporate sector accepted the stimulus plan two years ago. This was a lifeline thrown to them by government, on behalf of the citizens, in the belief that the corporations would use the boost to get their business engines running on all cylinders.

In the two years since receiving these public monies, corporate bank accounts have become swollen with cash surpluses. Big business has more cash assets on hand than they know what to do with.

The powerful elites, in who's hands are the reigns of corporate power, have failed to use this surplus of cash in any manner that seems to help the economy.
There has been no effort at retooling factories nor has there been any purchasing of new equipment.
This surplus of cash has not even lead to new hiring in the face of high national unemployment.

I found myself pondering this seemingly unexplainable situation and the only thing that seems to make sense is that those powerful elites are not going to spend the stimulus money until the republican party can be in a position to take credit for turning the economy around.

I think the pampered elites are very aware that had they invested in equipment and increased their workforces, the economy would have started chugging back to life. This couldn't be allowed to happen under a Democrat dominated Congress and Senate.
The republicans would never come close to regaining power for at least a generation if the present administration were permitted credit for saving the economy.

The elites have maintained the pressure on working people by continuing foreclosures on homes and by not spending their vast reserves of cash on inventory, equipment and new hires.
I suppose the proof will be revealed if the republicans gain control of congress.
Will there be a sudden free flow of corporate cash into the economy that puts people back to work and back into their homes? And who will be front and center taking credit for the turn about in the fortunes of working people?
791) Message boards : Politics : 'I REMEMBER, SO I'M VOTIN n I AIN'T VOTIN REPUBLICAN' (Message 1045705)
Posted 2 Nov 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/11/2/ralph_nader_dems_face_losses_to
792) Message boards : Politics : Why do/don't you believe in God? (Message 1043551)
Posted 22 Oct 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


If you believe in nothing, then that;s what will be your return.
If you believe in nothing, God will send you what you've earned.
If you believe in nothing, then you will have no hereafter to have learned.



This line of logic astounds me.
This would be the logic of one trying to keep the seats filled in a church with no regard for what was going on in the minds of those in the seats.

Are you suggesting I disregard my own belief that there is no "God" and spend my life attending church in the hope that I'll go somewhere after I'm dead?

I'll make a deal with you "God". Never mind sending me somewhere when I'm dead, send me across the universe now and let me witness all that is. When I get back, I promise to believe in you.
793) Message boards : Politics : Why do/don't you believe in God? (Message 1043218)
Posted 18 Oct 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Sarge, if those three people believe what was in the link then I don't want them around either.
794) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Steelheads V.Cheeseheads, who wins? (Message 1043178)
Posted 17 Oct 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I have my Chiefs hoody on at this moment and when it starts getting colder outside, I have my Chiefs sideline warm-up jacket.

I still miss the Nigerian Nightmare
795) Message boards : Politics : Why do/don't you believe in God? (Message 1042592)
Posted 16 Oct 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
How about this for a reason.
I don't want to be associated with people like this...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hga-mQyjYrI&feature=related
796) Message boards : Politics : Why do/don't you believe in God? (Message 1042588)
Posted 16 Oct 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I found a video which shall ease all doubts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uX-Aldx-LM0&feature=related
797) Message boards : Politics : Why do/don't you believe in God? (Message 1042584)
Posted 16 Oct 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I don't believe because I fear ending up like this woman...LOL
After all her testifyin'...she kept the money.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftjFkwAWs2A&NR=1
798) Message boards : Politics : Behind the scenes.....the Obama swindle? (Message 1042512)
Posted 15 Oct 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Glad I/we made you laugh. And I think the thoughts clear. Either it's bogus, or it's business as usual like what we get from BOTH sides.


...and then Obama gets rich
799) Message boards : Politics : Behind the scenes.....the Obama swindle? (Message 1042360)
Posted 15 Oct 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I have not had the time to vet this, just posting it as I received it.

Facts, or just another conspiracy theory?
Your opinions?

The Military Industrial Complex is secretly ruled by a clandestine group. This group, known from within as The Scenturions, consists of well connected members of the military elite worldwide, members of the old European aristocracies and some guy named Doug.

Doug is a shadowy figure in international shoe distribution and is constantly changing residences to avoid detection. His associations with the elite procurement officers has allowed Doug the inside advantage on the lucrative bidding processes for supplying army boots to all militaries worldwide from western democracies to the cruelest dictatorships being supported by those western democracies.

The European aristocrats and the military elites conspire to maintain a steady state of war in selected regions of the world in order to keep the sweaty feet of soldiers busily trudging through both deserts and swamps in order to create a ready supply of feet stink contaminated army boots.

These boots are collected and stored in an undisclosed location until the annual meeting of the Scenturion Society. It is at this time the Scenturions unpack the feet stinking boots in a cult like ritual that has it's roots in messages hidden in subliminal texts in episodes of Married With Children.
Upon receiving the subliminal messages, the members of the Scenturions bury their faces deep inside the feet stinking army boots and inhale deeply. Then, they sometimes go out for icecream.

Oh ya...and Obama gets rich
800) Message boards : Politics : Behind the scenes.....the Obama swindle? (Message 1042349)
Posted 15 Oct 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Left-handers are out to get you!

George H.W. Bush
Bill Clinton
Ross Perot
and now
Barack HUSSEIN Obama!!!


Thanks Sarge
This contains more truth and makes more sense than the original post in the thread.
801) Message boards : Cafe SETI : I need your support (Message 1041438)
Posted 12 Oct 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Oh Uli, I'm so very sorry for your loss
802) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Go The Holdens (Message 1040735)
Posted 10 Oct 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The TeamVodafone pair took out the 1000km endurance classic...

I spent 19 years driving highway tractors in Northern British Columbia and I (along with all of the other line and long haul drivers) think 1,000 kms is just an average day.
One man's endurance classic is another man's daily life. LOL

ZOOM ZOOM
803) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What some of you don't guite understnd.......... (Message 1040081)
Posted 9 Oct 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
kay
see ya
804) Message boards : Politics : Tea Party Song (Message 1040032)
Posted 9 Oct 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first."

Ronald Reagan


Thanks for the quote from the ultimate political prostitute.
He offered up America's rump for every corporatist to have a ride on... for a price.






805) Message boards : Politics : Rally to Restore Sanity (Message 1038752)
Posted 3 Oct 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I hope, with every fibre of my being, that Stewart and Colbert hit this out of the park.
There's a chance this thing could be so big as to overwhelm the city, making that Pilsbury Doughboy's rally seem lame.
806) Message boards : Politics : Teabaggers...feeling manipulated? (Message 1036744)
Posted 28 Sep 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Every once in a while the lunatic fringe far right goes on a tear.
We had something similar here in Canada a few years back with a bunch of mouth breathers called the Reform Party.

They were going to cut spending, take orders from the grass roots, all that nonsense we are seeing with the baggers now.
They won a few seats in parliament.

After a few years they ended up back in the conservative party. Although, there's still a few religious far right talking in tongues creeps from Reform that hold high positions in the present government.

I wish they would just hooba nagooba lipsity goolabundaloom... HEY! I can get away with saying anything and using any offensive words I want in the forums if I just talk in tongues!
807) Message boards : Politics : Nearly DEAD. Stoning & Torturing a Woman AND her SON to Death... (Message 1036347)
Posted 25 Sep 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Well, no one threw rocks at her head but this woman is just as dead. The state cannot continue to be permitted the power to take the life of one of it's own citizens.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/23/teresa-lewis-executed-mentally-disabled-virginia_n_737454.html
808) Message boards : Politics : Teabaggers...feeling manipulated? (Message 1036306)
Posted 25 Sep 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Oh those Tea Baggers and their independence from the GOP...LOL...you lemmings.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/24/gopers-parrot-lines-from-_n_710541.html
809) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Aliens messing with our nukes??? (Message 1035548)
Posted 24 Sep 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Gary Seven is at it again!


LOL
One of the best episodes
810) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : This universe of ours is interesting (Message 1035073)
Posted 21 Sep 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.spacetelescope.org/images/potw1022a/
811) Message boards : Politics : Glenn Beck vs Dr. Martin Luther King (Message 1034758)
Posted 20 Sep 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Now the Wall Street Journal is a little on the left.

Dena, is there anything fact based in your belief system????
812) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Apology to America (Message 1034752)
Posted 20 Sep 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'm so glad my American friends have a sense of humour.
813) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Radiation from cell phones and WiFi (Message 1034639)
Posted 20 Sep 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

5 to 1 baby
1 in 5
No one here gets out alive


Doctor Parnassus.... I presume...


Jim Morrison
814) Message boards : Politics : Glenn Beck vs Dr. Martin Luther King (Message 1034626)
Posted 19 Sep 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

I was not aware of them, but I know there were and are many groups that formed to help others. The church took on big projects like hospitals and the local church would take care of people in the area of the church. By losing this sharing I think we have lost some of our sense of neighborhood.


How well would a local church have faired during Katrina?
This isn't to say that your government did well during the horrors of that hurricane, but that's because BUSH and BROWNIE were running the show.

Do you really think the locals will be able to scrape together a few cans of beans when the really big, and overdue by some predictions, earthquake hits Los Angeles?

C'mon Dena. This local church caring for a couple of families in a small town sounds fine but the entire concept falls apart during a catastrophe of large scale.
815) Message boards : Politics : Glenn Beck vs Dr. Martin Luther King (Message 1034610)
Posted 19 Sep 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Now let's hear from Jefferson


"Some men look at constitutions with sanctimonious reverence, and deem them like the ark of the Covenant, too sacred to be touched. They ascribe to the men of the preceding age a wisdom more than human, and suppose what they did to be beyond amendment... laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the progress of the human mind... as that becomes more developed, more enlightened, as new discoveries are made, institutions must advance also, to keep pace with the times.... We might as well require a man to wear still the coat which fitted him when a boy as civilized society to remain forever under the regimen of their barbarous ancestors."

The Beckerheads would tie your hands by not allowing a country where the constitution is a living, growing entity.
This is fun.
816) Message boards : Politics : Glenn Beck vs Dr. Martin Luther King (Message 1034605)
Posted 19 Sep 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Oh look, I found a fun quote (well, a paraphrase actually)

To paraphrase Anatole France: "How noble libertarianism, in its majestic equality, that both rich and poor are equally prohibited from peeing in the privately owned streets (without paying), sleeping under the privately owned bridges (without paying), and coercing bread from its rightful owners!"
817) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Radiation from cell phones and WiFi (Message 1034600)
Posted 19 Sep 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
5 to 1 baby
1 in 5
No one here gets out alive
818) Message boards : Cafe SETI : The Danger of Contact (Message 1034578)
Posted 19 Sep 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
If ET simply shows up in our skies one day, we'll be thrown into turmoil. If they decide to bless us with some of their technology, we'll be overcome in the same way the locals were when the technologically advanced Europeans showed up.

If contact is made by way of a signal from the depths of space, we'll have several generations to come to terms with the implications and may adapt to the knowledge that we are not alone and that we also aren't the supreme lifeforms in the universe.
819) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Apology to America (Message 1034564)
Posted 19 Sep 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
This is from a popular Canadian political comedy program "This Hour Has 22 Minutes".
I stole it from a friend's wall on Facebook.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K8cDRwhgi6Q
820) Message boards : Politics : Glenn Beck vs Dr. Martin Luther King (Message 1034341)
Posted 19 Sep 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-madrick/memo-to-dems-poverty-and_b_721444.html

This is more truth than you'll find in some Wilson revisionist false history.
821) Message boards : Politics : Glenn Beck vs Dr. Martin Luther King (Message 1034301)
Posted 19 Sep 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

"There is a price for a republic and that's personal responsibility. A person has to understand that the government will not be there to protect them so they need to watch out for themselves."


Dena, the entire point of good government is to be there when it's citizens need help.
This can come in the form of aid in a natural disaster or aid in a man made disaster.

Your line of thought is taken directly from the libertarian handbook. No big surprise there.

I think everyone can agree with the idea of personal responsibility when it comes to lifestyle choices such as not educating yourself or becoming a drug addict. Anyone choosing to drop out of school or choosing to become a drug user obviously is responsible for those choices and must live with the consequences.

The sad part of this libertarian independent individualist belief system is that it doesn't punish the wealthy for wrong choices, only the poor.
Some dink sitting on a multi-billion dollar trust fund can make all the wrong choices in life and never suffer the consequences of those choices, while a kid from the projects that drops out of school is faced with a lifetime of repayments for bad choices.

The super wealthy don't need help, they have everything at their fingertips. They are the ones dictating to the non-thinkers that governments have no role to play in the lives of the citizenry.

I find the attitude expressed by libertarians to be unthoughtful, selfish and at odds with the continued well being of the country as a whole.
No one person can go it alone. We evolved as a social animal and we rely on the pack for our well being.

You can spout all you want about the evils of government, but the fact remains that you live in a building that is safe because of government regulation and inspection during construction.
You travel in relative safety due to government oversight of air, sea, rail and auto safety standards.
The very food you shove into your face comes with government safety, hygiene and cleanliness standards.

You can convince yourself that government isn't needed or required, but it's government that keeps the streets safe for people like you. I know you're going to make some statement regarding this issue, but I'll counter that right now by mentioning the fact that you are safely sitting at your computer responding to this post rather than fighting off a band of raiders seeking your money, food or even you yourself.
Government works for the people. And it's up to the people to make sure it keeps on doing so.

Wake up, smell the coffee and come into the reality that you need good government if you plan to continue to exist. The super wealthy dink sitting on his trust fund may not want government rules and regulations, but you sure as hell should.
822) Message boards : Politics : Glenn Beck vs Dr. Martin Luther King (Message 1034101)
Posted 18 Sep 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
There's no getting through g-man...I've tried and given up.
It's like communicating with an automaton. All you get in return to well considered posts are conditioned responses based on made up facts and false histories.

Sometimes one has to admit that the lifeline isn't long enough to reach a person so you have to give up on that one to try and reach another.
823) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Ooopa... (Message 1032774)
Posted 11 Sep 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
LOL Blurf
824) Message boards : Politics : Teabaggers...feeling manipulated? (Message 1032629)
Posted 10 Sep 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Hmmm...
http://www.truthdig.com/cartoon/item/fanaticism_infringement_20100831/
825) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : This universe of ours is interesting (Message 1032562)
Posted 10 Sep 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx?c=a&id=10208
826) Message boards : Politics : Book Burning (Message 1032247)
Posted 9 Sep 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
If this idiot Jones owns a book, he can do as he wishes with it.

The real issue here, in my mind, is the reaction of the corporate media.
The media has chosen to make this non-news event into a circus and we all must ask ourselves why?

It suits the powerful elites in America to keep the frenzy of hate rolling along. They have a need of this hate and fear in order to continue funding the war economy dispite the common knowledge that other aspects of society are suffering due to lack of funding.

The real issue is control of public opinion and the elites are the ones who control the message.
By attending this idiotic event and beaming the images worldwide, the corporate media is doing it's job of whipping up greater hatered and fear on both sides, thus insuring a continuance of heightened "defence" spending.
827) Message boards : Number crunching : Quick fundraiser for SETI's new server (Message 1031481)
Posted 6 Sep 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Give credit where credit is due.
Mark, when you're good you're very good: but when you're bad you're a pain in the donkey.

In this case, you've gone above and beyond the call and congratulations are called for.
Well done.
828) Message boards : Politics : Do you believe in GOD? (Message 1031219)
Posted 5 Sep 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Seems like a good time for a musical interlude

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3MkK0rpxk0&NR=1
829) Message boards : Politics : Teabaggers...feeling manipulated? (Message 1030918)
Posted 4 Sep 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Bill Mahr always has a way of getting the point across

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if88PgI-vfU
830) Message boards : Politics : I HATE foreign Tech support. (Message 1030673)
Posted 4 Sep 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
There has to be a way to make companies stop farming out jobs...


Pass a law that states all tech support must be done in the country, or even the state, the customer is calling from.
831) Message boards : Politics : Do you believe in GOD? (Message 1030539)
Posted 3 Sep 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
LOL
Even the guy who looks the most like Moses doesn't believe
832) Message boards : Politics : Glenn Beck vs Dr. Martin Luther King (Message 1030381)
Posted 3 Sep 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Even though I too have used wiki as part of my argument in past threads, it's a source open to change by anyone.
I could go in and change it to suit my needs right now.

I am open to another source though if you post one.

As it stands, I can only go by what was actually written in the treaty.
833) Message boards : Politics : Glenn Beck vs Dr. Martin Luther King (Message 1030366)
Posted 3 Sep 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded o­n the Christian religion. -George Washington, Treaty of Tripoli, 1796
834) Message boards : Politics : Teabaggers...feeling manipulated? (Message 1030304)
Posted 3 Sep 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
This link speaks volumes as to the vague misty demands of the tea bagger cult.

Also included is something I have said many times, the far right is moving toward fascism during these troubled times and it will be the will and hard determination of working people that ends the slide into darkness.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=18677
835) Message boards : Politics : Glenn Beck vs Dr. Martin Luther King (Message 1030120)
Posted 2 Sep 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

How can I tell that this was a great moment in history. To Glen Beck, it was a telephone call he received around 11pm after the event. He felt in was important to wake his wife and children to tell them the news. The Smithsonian Institution called and wanted what ever items he could provide from the event to add to their collection. You may not care about history but they do.


I'm pretty certain an institution called Beck, but I'm double damned sure it wasn't the Smithsonian.




836) Message boards : Politics : Glenn Beck vs Dr. Martin Luther King (Message 1030119)
Posted 2 Sep 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

You use the word progressive like they don't exist in the Republican party. The truth is they do exist and George Bush was one of them.


OH MY GOD

The reality lapse is astounding. GEORGE BUSH WAS A PROGRESSIVE.

Dena, you and your tea sipping friends can try to distance yourselves from that neo-con far right war criminal until you're blue in the face.
The fact remains that the tea baggers, virtually 100%, supported that lifeform throughout his presidency and allowed him the power to commit his foul acts.

Now, when the truth is pouring out, you suddenly see him as a progressive?
Next you'll be informing all of us that Gengis Khan was a progressive too.

History is like soft putty to you tea baggers isn't it?




837) Message boards : Politics : Teabaggers...feeling manipulated? (Message 1029871)
Posted 31 Aug 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp9852hq0W0

838) Message boards : Politics : Glenn Beck vs Dr. Martin Luther King (Message 1029859)
Posted 31 Aug 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Dena
The wealthy buggers calling the shots and financing your teabagger movement should be the focus of your teabag anger.
These are the same lifeforms that spend billions of dollars lobbying congress for concessions to the wealthy, corporate tax cuts and all of the other things that make life so sweet for the pampered elites.

You, and your angry teabag friends, have been like lemmings. The elites give you several targets to focus your anger on while they hide in the shadows.

This last new angle, where white folks are the oppressed is over the top. Isn't it strange that you have never mentioned your feelings of oppression before this idiot Beck started ranting about it?
The corporate media, controlled by those same wealthy elites, have been filling your minds with visions of Jihad, fear of outsiders and danger in the streets.

It's all a smoke screen to hide their own actions from public view.
I cannot believe people like yourself eat this garbage up and ask for more.

I've had enough of this moronic movement that seeks to fulfill the desire of the selfish elites to further the far right agenda that has lead to the current state of affairs, not just in America, but because of American corporate and financial power, throughout the world.

I feel your time as a world leader is over. At no time in your history has America looked backward to the good old days. It's always been the far sighted, moving forward attitude that made America so attractive and powerful.

You and your friends can stare at your navels while your country drifts into a dark age if you wish but the blame will lie with those of you who chose to allow the careless elites to do your thinking for you.
839) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : This universe of ours is interesting (Message 1029822)
Posted 31 Aug 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.spacetelescope.org/images/potw1019a/
840) Message boards : Politics : Glenn Beck vs Dr. Martin Luther King (Message 1029818)
Posted 31 Aug 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The host has also said this event will "reclaim the civil rights movement" from the nation's progressives.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-deggans/the-frightening-prospect_b_696958.html

Glen is reclaiming America from the political groups and reclaiming freedom for all. If you read Martin Luther King's 'I have a dream' speech, you will find King was asking for nothing more than the rights guaranteed to all Americans by the constitution. I was alive when King first made his speech and I know what America was like then, Almost all of kings goals have been obtained so clinging to the civil rights movement today is nothing but a way to obtain votes.
Today the Civil Rights Movement has become a lobby group that is trying to obtain welfare and other money for blacks. The constitution gives you the freedom to be successful, it doesn't guarantee you will be and also doesn't say the government will take care of you if you are not. King understood this but many of the Civil Right people today don't.
As normal, the Huffington post has twisted the truth.


Dena
I'm 53 and I remember. The event was called "The March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom."
Here is the truth and your boy Glenn can eat it. Stop trying to revise history.

http://www.blackpast.org/?q=aah/march-washington-jobs-and-freedom-august-28-1963
841) Message boards : Politics : Teabaggers...feeling manipulated? (Message 1029816)
Posted 31 Aug 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


I wasn't angered at the cover either bobby.
That was just a small piece in the article and I believe the author was using it as an example of why the New Yorker would seem so willing to now expose the financial backing of the teabagger movement.

I posted the article to show that this so-called simple little grass roots movement is in fact another tactic of the powerful elites to control public opinion.
And the non-thinkers bought into it again.

842) Message boards : Politics : Teabaggers...feeling manipulated? (Message 1029613)
Posted 30 Aug 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Is this thread for real? :-O


Of course it's for real.
The republicans screwed the country and robbed the working people with their neocon policies and doctrines.
The elites who finance the right wing know they were going to be dragged out into the streets unless they found a way to deflect blame from themselves so some of them financed this stupid tea bagger movement.
Instead of getting angry at the super wealthy pigs who've done so much damage to America, the nonthinking crowd has been diverted to focussing their anger at the wrong targets.

They blindly supported Bush/Cheney through all the lies leading to the Iraq war and now they are blindly supporting this idiotic tea bag thing.
843) Message boards : Politics : Glenn Beck vs Dr. Martin Luther King (Message 1029607)
Posted 30 Aug 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The host has also said this event will "reclaim the civil rights movement" from the nation's progressives.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-deggans/the-frightening-prospect_b_696958.html
844) Message boards : Politics : Glenn Beck vs Dr. Martin Luther King (Message 1029606)
Posted 30 Aug 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Please warn people before posting links to distastefull sites.
I almost lost my stomach contents.

I edited out of respect for a certain mod.
845) Message boards : Politics : Glenn Beck vs Dr. Martin Luther King (Message 1029591)
Posted 30 Aug 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m05VSyHoQ4
846) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : This universe of ours is interesting (Message 1029377)
Posted 29 Aug 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx?c=a&id=10175
847) Message boards : Politics : Teabaggers...feeling manipulated? (Message 1028562)
Posted 26 Aug 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Just one more and I'm off to sleep.
In the morning, I shall drink coffee.

________________________________________________________________________________
Resurgence
The intersection of race, culture, and politics
David Koch Is Tea Party's Sugar Daddy
Kris Broughton on August 25, 2010, 10:08 AM




I guess the New Yorker is still trying to redeem itself for the notorious “The Politics Of Fear” cartoon cover during the 2008 presidential primary that depicted Barack Obama in Muslim garb. "Covert Operations", an extensively researched article in this week’s magazine about the infamous Koch brothers and the hundreds of millions they have shoveled into political organizations, including big bucks to prop up the Tea Party brand, goes a long way towards making up for a transgression I saw as unforgivable two years ago.



A Republican campaign consultant who has done research on behalf of Charles and David Koch said of the Tea Party, “The Koch brothers gave the money that founded it. It’s like they put the seeds in the ground. Then the rainstorm comes, and the frogs come out of the mud—and they’re our candidates!”

Covert Operations – The New Yorker



The Koch brothers substantial investments to make sure the Tea Party groups across the country flowered in a way that would draw maximum media attention to its efforts was no secret to me or to any of the leading political pundits and the news producers who script their shows. There has been enough verifiable information about these two power mad billionaires laying right out there in the open for years to make a week long television documentary chronicling the subversive nature of their political activism, but even now, after The New Yorker has opened the barn door, I doubt that you will see very much coverage of this story.



Over the July 4th weekend, a summit called Texas Defending the American Dream took place in a chilly hotel ballroom in Austin. Though Koch freely promotes his philanthropic ventures, he did not attend the summit, and his name was not in evidence. And on this occasion the audience was roused not by a dance performance but by a series of speakers denouncing President Barack Obama. Peggy Venable, the organizer of the summit, warned that Administration officials “have a socialist vision for this country.”

Five hundred people attended the summit, which served, in part, as a training session for Tea Party activists in Texas. An advertisement cast the event as a populist uprising against vested corporate power. “Today, the voices of average Americans are being drowned out by lobbyists and special interests,” it said. “But you can do something about it.” The pitch made no mention of its corporate funders.

Covert Operations – The New Yorker



To a Tea Party member reading the New Yorker article, it must be the equivalent of being pimp slapped. Because despite all of their protestations to the contrary, they will be back out on the streets next week, and the week after that, making noise for the TV cameras exactly the way rich men like the Koch brothers intended, the same way prostitutes get back on the stroll after they’ve taken a beating from their pimp.



Americans for Prosperity, meanwhile, has announced that it will spend an additional forty-five million dollars before the midterm elections, in November. Although the group is legally prohibited from directly endorsing candidates, it nonetheless plans to target some fifty House races and half a dozen Senate races, staging rallies, organizing door-to-door canvassing, and running ads aimed at “educating voters about where candidates stand.”

Covert Operations - The New Yorker



It must be mind boggling to realize that your rallies wouldn't have half the attendance they do now if it wasn't for the professional organization, logistics, supplies and transportation that the very people you were railing against were actually making available to your troops.



Charles Koch seems to have approached both business and politics with the deliberation of an engineer. “To bring about social change,” he told Doherty, requires “a strategy” that is “vertically and horizontally integrated,” spanning “from idea creation to policy development to education to grassroots organizations to lobbying to litigation to political action.” The project, he admitted, was extremely ambitious. “We have a radical philosophy,” he said.

Covert Operations – The New Yorker



On top of all of this, how bad must it feel, after spending the last few months trying to eradicate the appearance that your beloved Tea Party harbors racists, to come to find out that the sugar daddies who have provided aa substantial amount of the transportation and organization and logistical planning for your largest "grassroots events" are direct descendants of a bona fide founder of the John Birch Society?
848) Message boards : Politics : Teabaggers...feeling manipulated? (Message 1028561)
Posted 26 Aug 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2010/07/28/4770006-meet-david-koch-tea-party-funder
849) Message boards : Politics : Teabaggers...feeling manipulated? (Message 1028560)
Posted 26 Aug 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Seems the grass roots teabag movement isn't quite what the automatons thought they were buying into.

http://exiledonline.com/teagagged-tea-party-protest-silenced-over-organizers-links-to-2008-drill-here-drill-now-astroturf-campaign/
850) Message boards : Politics : . . . a 'voice' from the past (Message 1027008)
Posted 21 Aug 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thanks for posting that link Bill.
I thought of this story as soon as I opened this thread.

This conservative/wanna be republican government lead by Prime Minister Harper sickens me with their lies.
I copied the part that angers me the most in that article you linked...


"For instance, injured vets no longer receive a monthly disability pension for life.

Instead, they are granted a lump sum payment up to a maximum of about $276,000, based on the level of disability.

The issue is that, even if invested properly, the amount equals hundreds of thousands of dollars less than what someone would have received under the previous system over the course of a normal lifetime. And that's if it's invested.

Many also question the wisdom of giving a young, injured serviceman, who is perhaps also suffering from PTSD, a large sum of cash up front."


The conservative government in Canada doesn't give a rat's @ss about the well being of those in the armed services.
851) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : This universe of ours is interesting (Message 1026629)
Posted 20 Aug 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.spacetelescope.org/news/heic1014/
852) Message boards : Cafe SETI : They are at it again (Message 1025239)
Posted 15 Aug 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:




Times changed.. and the exiled started having time to go to learn new "processes". New Age Thinking, Quality Management, ISO-9000. Six Sigma, and many others..


So this left those lower down.. fighting a battle.. and winning it.. fighting the same battle again, winning it again, fitting the same battle again, winning it again, fighting the same battle again... I give up I quit.


I'd forgotten about all those programs the private sector buys into...LOL
So many excuses for the muttonheads to schedule more meetings, congratulate each other and put on pancake breakfasts for employees numbed by yet another set of awards that seemed to be directly linked to the amount spent by the company.

As to fighting those battles over and over every time some new wizkid entry level manager came down the pike, I was refighting those battles as a union representative. It always pissed me off because it was something new and interesting to the boss while I got to the point where I could bring out the rulings from arbitrations or grievance meeting notes to show that we had already won that battle several times.
853) Message boards : Cafe SETI : They are at it again (Message 1025238)
Posted 15 Aug 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

But I know first hand where he got his material.. or at least his early material.


Before I became aware of his real story, I was certain he was an employee of the telecommunications company I was working for.
Everything in the strip seemed to be in sync with events in our workplace.

854) Message boards : Cafe SETI : They are at it again (Message 1025225)
Posted 15 Aug 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Must be a government job. Too many bosses for the private sector.


Anyone who's ever worked in the private sector for a corporation of any size is very aware of the vast number of bosses.
Some departments have more management drones than working people.

The private sector is the source of my working person lament, which goes:
The overseers are more important than the work being overseen.
855) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Makin' some bread (Message 1025179)
Posted 15 Aug 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I've been a prison guard.
A football player in the CFL.
A linehaul trucker for the telephone company...until the new CEO decided that contracting out was a good idea.
Now I work for the City of Prince George, streets division.
I operate dump trucks mostly during the summer months, with stints on the paving machine and crack sealing truck.
In winter months, I run a loader and generally clean up behind the graders as they clear snow from the streets of the city.

Hoping to retire in less than seven years.
856) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : This universe of ours is interesting (Message 1024394)
Posted 12 Aug 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx?c=a&id=10128
857) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Posters and members gone past..... (Message 1024092)
Posted 10 Aug 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Ozzfan has been Missing.

Nah He's just changed his avatar and name. He's here


And the new name is ...???

JohnTesh fan
858) Message boards : Politics : Nearly DEAD. Stoning & Torturing a Woman AND her SON to Death... (Message 1023751)
Posted 8 Aug 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'm against the right of any state to take the life of one of it's citizens.

I also agree that the method of dispatching a human to oblivion doesn't make the act any more acceptable...but being buried to the waist with hands bound while rocks are thrown at one's head seems a very cruel way to go.
859) Message boards : Politics : Nearly DEAD. Stoning & Torturing a Woman AND her SON to Death... (Message 1023467)
Posted 7 Aug 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The Saudis are more fond of public beheadings, I believe.
860) Message boards : Politics : Nearly DEAD. Stoning & Torturing a Woman AND her SON to Death... (Message 1023259)
Posted 7 Aug 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I agree that this situation and sets of laws are something left over from a primative stage in human development.

When ever and where ever religion becomes the driving force behind government, outrages such as this one become common place events.
Christians have not done any better when their church dominated society.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/how-do-we-convince-iran-that-stoning-is-barbaric/article1662016/

861) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : This universe of ours is interesting (Message 1022832)
Posted 5 Aug 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.spacetelescope.org/images/opo1025a/
862) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : gamma-ray burst (Message 1022126)
Posted 3 Aug 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
What i find fastening is the fact it came from 5 billion years ago, very close to creation.



If you meant the creation of the Earth, that would be close to the time.

The creation of the universe happened 15 to 18 billion years ago by the last estimates I remember.
863) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : This universe of ours is interesting (Message 1019874)
Posted 26 Jul 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx?c=a&id=10074
864) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy Birthday Uli! (Message 1017179)
Posted 18 Jul 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:



Angela's cake was so beautiful that I stole it to regift it to you.

Happy Birthday Uli.
I hope today is a wonderful day for you.


865) Message boards : Politics : Always thought Dick Cheney was... (Message 1017178)
Posted 18 Jul 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Good one DW

I said something that you agreed with? I have to watch myself, I must be slipping.


You aren't slipping. There's still nothing we agree on Dena.

I thought that the inclusion of the quote from DW (Darwin's Worm)would be enough information to allow people to understand the source.
866) Message boards : Politics : Always thought Dick Cheney was... (Message 1016497)
Posted 16 Jul 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thank goodness for men like Dick Cheney who protect us everyday from the Egalitarian Forces which will Destroy the World if left to do their bidding.



Egalitarian:::
Affirming, promoting, or characterized by belief in equal political, economic, social, and civil rights for all people.

HE'S RIGHT!!!
RUN AWAY FROM EGALITARIANS! SAVE YOURSELVES! LOL

Good one DW
867) Message boards : Politics : Always thought Dick Cheney was... (Message 1016090)
Posted 16 Jul 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
He's been an evil bastard and if he's dead the world is a better place
868) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : This universe of ours is interesting (Message 1015272)
Posted 13 Jul 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx?c=a&id=10023
869) Message boards : Cafe SETI : One joy of life (Message 1015258)
Posted 13 Jul 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Permission to board, captain?


Is this what's meant by a sCURVEY crew?
Come about and prepare to be boarded.
870) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Worlds Cup (Message 1015253)
Posted 13 Jul 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
If I were that referee, I'd avoid any vacations in Holland for the rest of my life.


Why Robert

The game was very bad tempered throughout, mainly due to the poor and unsporting play by the Dutch team. The 14 yellow cards were testimony to the bad tempers, with the largest portion to the Dutch team (which I think was uncharacteristic of them).

The main thing was the ref was firm, and never lost control of the game (despite the bad temper).

The Dutch play should have had at least 3 red cards and that number of players sent off.


I didn't see it that way at all. I thought the Dutch played their normal game and were doing nothing differently than they had throughout the tournament.

The majority of yellow cards should have been simply free kicks.
I think the bad tempers started coming from frustration at the number of calls that seemed one sided.

I can't say anything bad about the play of Spain. They deserved a win because of their superior ball control, but I can understand the feeling players get when they think they are under a microscope.
871) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Worlds Cup (Message 1015251)
Posted 13 Jul 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
It's a good excuse for having a beer while watching or for having a beer after playing. LOL
872) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Worlds Cup (Message 1014789)
Posted 11 Jul 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
It was an exciting game and a sweet goal.
If I were that referee, I'd avoid any vacations in Holland for the rest of my life.
873) Message boards : Cafe SETI : One joy of life (Message 1014714)
Posted 11 Jul 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Here's a song for you PK

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_CXaeN5QNU&feature=related

Go on bud, sail that boat through every room in your house. LOL
874) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Question of the week (Message 1013481)
Posted 8 Jul 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Brilliant solution Jim_S
You just impressed the hell out of me
875) Message boards : Politics : A quick overview of the financial crisis (Message 1013469)
Posted 8 Jul 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


I've gotta disagree with you Bill.
Unionized working people are not getting rich by any definition of the word, unless you compare us to those working overseas for a buck or two a day.

The pockets of poverty where these people are forced to work for such low pay is the reason private firms are moving production and manufacturing overseas.
None of the executive types making the decisions to move production seem to be taking any reductions in their own salaries or stock options.

Unions are not the problem. Unions help protect working people from the abuses of the wealthy pampered elites who strive to increase their own bloated incomes by forcing working people to do more for less.
876) Message boards : Cafe SETI : All Canadian Music Thread (Message 1013464)
Posted 8 Jul 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Teenage Head

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CeSfojOJKjU
877) Message boards : Cafe SETI : All Canadian Music Thread (Message 1013461)
Posted 8 Jul 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The Northern Pikes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG3ExHB133k
878) Message boards : Cafe SETI : All Canadian Music Thread (Message 1013456)
Posted 8 Jul 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thanks KenzieB...I love the Hip

Bare Naked Ladies are another Canadian group that's done well...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMfneL5eU8A
879) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Lost Mixology (Message 1013118)
Posted 7 Jul 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
If you are going ice fishing, allow me to suggest my belly warmer...

Thermos 3/4 full of coffee
1/4 Jack Daniels

Optional... a few scoops of brown Demerara sugar

I'll sometimes order up a few black coffees with JD when I'm in the pub with my mates.
Sounds nasty, but tastes good.
880) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Didn't want to detract from Es99's thread (Message 1013116)
Posted 7 Jul 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Sounds a bit like me way back when. The real issue was the utter lack of challenge in school. It took me a year or so after I was out of the public school to realize how dummied down it was. For many of the classes there was no need to study at all. Then when I had to, I was so out of practice ... so A's in the hard subjects and C's in something easy on the same report card. I'm still seething at teacher unions who foist that upon society. [It isn't the individual teachers, it is the collectivism cover all rears thinking of the union boss.

What a load.
The teacher's unions are not the problem.
It's the drive toward privatization of all public services for the sake of the profiteers that has caused the problems.
The ideologues in positions of power set the curriculum and the rules teachers must work under.
Don't blame the teachers, the unions or the public education system for the shortcomings forced upon them by republican toads.

The only purpose for public education, in the master plan of the wealthy pampered elites, is to produce a workforce able to read and understand simple instructions, but unable to exercise critical thought.

This is why public education has been dummed down.
It's the direct fault of the elites, not the teacher's unions.
881) Message boards : Cafe SETI : All Canadian Music Thread (Message 1013034)
Posted 7 Jul 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Can't have a Canadian music thread without Bruce Cockburn

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PyPMy7V9moc
882) Message boards : Cafe SETI : All Canadian Music Thread (Message 1013031)
Posted 7 Jul 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Great Big Sea
What a great live show these boys put on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iggOu6tKyE
883) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy Birthday Victor! (Message 1012963)
Posted 6 Jul 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Happy 50th Birthday.
sigh...I can't remember that far back
884) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Teenagers (Message 1012962)
Posted 6 Jul 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I have a 17 year old son who hasn't been trouble at all... although he's becoming distracted by his Play Station to the point where this Honour Roll student received two C- grades in his finals.
The Play Station will be off limits through the week during the next school year.

My 15 year old daughter is somewhat more demanding of our attentions.
Nothing seems to be good enough for her.
Our house isn't big enough, either is her room.
We don't take fancy vacations or drive fancy enough vehicles.

I sat her down a few weeks ago and had a long talk about life and the reasons I do things the way I do.
She seems to have come to an understanding because her sulleness has mostly disappeared and she's actually spoken politely to me on several occasions.

Taking things away works for some kids while an honest discussion works for others.
For some kids, a combination of the two may be productive.

Good luck ES99
885) Message boards : Cafe SETI : All Canadian Music Thread (Message 1012487)
Posted 6 Jul 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Guess Who
These guys did ok in the business.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqeSUAlI5uI
886) Message boards : Cafe SETI : All Canadian Music Thread (Message 1012484)
Posted 6 Jul 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Sloan
Here's a band I always thought would get really big...but I never bought any of their albums.
I guess no one else bought either. LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3tLtF8kyOQ
887) Message boards : Cafe SETI : All Canadian Music Thread (Message 1012471)
Posted 5 Jul 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Martha and the Muffins played at UBC when I was a student...another fun night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvqjYxeTODY
888) Message boards : Cafe SETI : All Canadian Music Thread (Message 1012469)
Posted 5 Jul 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Doug and the Slugs
I caught these guys a million times back in the 80's
Great party

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzocrN1zUE8
889) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : This universe of ours is interesting (Message 1012436)
Posted 5 Jul 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science_and_environment/10501154.stm
890) Message boards : Cafe SETI : All Canadian Music Thread (Message 1011993)
Posted 5 Jul 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ens9B3Qy0n0
891) Message boards : Politics : Republicans block BP Oil Investigation (Message 1011980)
Posted 5 Jul 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
They do serve their masters with vigor, don't they?
892) Message boards : Politics : A quick overview of the financial crisis (Message 1011979)
Posted 5 Jul 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I agree. The elites have done a very good job of making the public fear public ownership.
Somehow, if the profits are going into the overstuffed pockets of the wealthy all is well.
If the profits are going toward public services, utilities and infrastructure then that is evil.

Eventually, the world will awaken from this fever dream and realize what rubes we the public have been played for.
893) Message boards : Politics : A quick overview of the financial crisis (Message 1011955)
Posted 5 Jul 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
This is a clever little piece of film.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOP2V_np2c0

894) Message boards : Cafe SETI : The best 100 movie lines in 200 seconds..... (Message 1011110)
Posted 3 Jul 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
"Vee cannot looken for the sheepen in the rainen."

Benny Hill
895) Message boards : Politics : Naomi Klein @ a Council of Canadians event (Message 1011065)
Posted 3 Jul 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Maude Balrow, head of the Council of Canadians, spoke at this same meeting in Toronto.
There are some astonishing stats in this speech.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wnpcw-90T7U
896) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy Birthday Canada (Message 1010380)
Posted 1 Jul 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
A good friend from years past had this posted in Facebook...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWQf13B8epw

C'mon over. There's lots of room to breath here.
897) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy Birthday Canada (Message 1010288)
Posted 1 Jul 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'll probably see if the kids want to go down to Fort George Park where our town meets on Canada Day.
There's a bandstand going all day with musicians and dancers from all countries.
Booths are set up with food from around the world. I went to the Africa Cafe last Saturday and I'll be looking for some more of that.

The forcast is for clear skies but it's only 1 degree C outside right now.
There's no World Cup soccer today so I may as well get out, although, the CFL does begin their season.

Happy Canada day fellow Canucks
898) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : This universe of ours is interesting (Message 1010263)
Posted 1 Jul 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://chandra.si.edu/photo/2010/cid42/
899) Message boards : Politics : The Gulf Oil Spill (Message 1009891)
Posted 30 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Well stated
900) Message boards : Politics : Naomi Klein @ a Council of Canadians event (Message 1009560)
Posted 29 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
During the G20 summit in Toronto, the Council of Canadians held their own rally at Massey Hall.
This is the speech given by Naomi Klein...it's well worth taking the time to view.

http://www.livestream.com/rabbletv/video?clipId=flv_bb4f1bd3-ce79-40ec-ada9-b1472c4fc7e7
901) Message boards : Politics : The Gulf Oil Spill (Message 1009546)
Posted 29 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I lifted this from the Facebook wall of a friend who is also a SETI@Home member.
You will be sickened to your soul and enraged.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QPnJT5DQikU

902) Message boards : Politics : The Gulf Oil Spill (Message 1009087)
Posted 28 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:



Gulf Oil Spill: A Hole in the World
By Naomi Klein, The Guardian, June 19, 2010

Everyone gathered for the town hall meeting had been repeatedly instructed to show civility to the gentlemen from BP and the federal government. These fine folks had made time in their busy schedules to come to a high school gymnasium on a Tuesday night in Plaquemines Parish, Louisiana, one of many coastal communities where brown poison was slithering through the marshes, part of what has come to be described as the largest environmental disaster in US history.

"Speak to others the way you would want to be spoken to," the chair of the meeting pleaded one last time before opening the floor for questions.

And for a while the crowd, mostly made up of fishing families, showed remarkable restraint. They listened patiently to Larry Thomas, a genial BP public relations flack, as he told them that he was committed to "doing better" to process their claims for lost revenue ? then passed all the details off to a markedly less friendly subcontractor. They heard out the suit from the Environmental Protection Agency as he informed them that, contrary to what they have read about the lack of testing and the product being banned in Britain, the chemical dispersant being sprayed on the oil in massive quantities was really perfectly safe.

But patience started running out by the third time Ed Stanton, a coast guard captain, took to the podium to reassure them that "the coast guard intends to make sure that BP cleans it up".

"Put it in writing!" someone shouted out. By now the air conditioning had shut itself off and the coolers of Budweiser were running low. A shrimper named Matt O'Brien approached the mic. "We don't need to hear this anymore," he declared, hands on hips. It didn't matter what assurances they were offered because, he explained, "we just don't trust you guys!" And with that, such a loud cheer rose up from the floor you'd have thought the Oilers (the unfortunately named school football team) had scored a touchdown.

The showdown was cathartic, if nothing else. For weeks residents had been subjected to a barrage of pep talks and extravagant promises coming from Washington, Houston and London. Every time they turned on their TVs, there was the BP boss, Tony Hayward, offering his solemn word that he would "make it right". Or else it was President Barack Obama expressing his absolute confidence that his administration would "leave the Gulf coast in better shape than it was before", that he was "making sure" it "comes back even stronger than it was before this crisis".

It all sounded great. But for people whose livelihoods put them in intimate contact with the delicate chemistry of the wetlands, it also sounded completely ridiculous, painfully so. Once the oil coats the base of the marsh grass, as it had already done just a few miles from here, no miracle machine or chemical concoction could safely get it out. You can skim oil off the surface of open water, and you can rake it off a sandy beach, but an oiled marsh just sits there, slowly dying. The larvae of countless species for which the marsh is a spawning ground ? shrimp, crab, oysters and fin fish ? will be poisoned.

It was already happening. Earlier that day, I travelled through nearby marshes in a shallow water boat. Fish were jumping in waters encircled by white boom, the strips of thick cotton and mesh BP is using to soak up the oil. The circle of fouled material seemed to be tightening around the fish like a noose. Nearby, a red-winged blackbird perched atop a 2 metre (7ft) blade of oil-contaminated marsh grass. Death was creeping up the cane; the small bird may as well have been standing on a lit stick of dynamite.

And then there is the grass itself, or the Roseau cane, as the tall sharp blades are called. If oil seeps deeply enough into the marsh, it will not only kill the grass above ground but also the roots. Those roots are what hold the marsh together, keeping bright green land from collapsing into the Mississippi River delta and the Gulf of Mexico. So not only do places like Plaquemines Parish stand to lose their fisheries, but also much of the physical barrier that lessens the intensity of fierce storms like hurricane Katrina. Which could mean losing everything.

How long will it take for an ecosystem this ravaged to be "restored and made whole" as Obama's interior secretary has pledged to do? It's not at all clear that such a thing is remotely possible, at least not in a time frame we can easily wrap our heads around. The Alaskan fisheries have yet to fully recover from the 1989 Exxon Valdez spill and some species of fish never returned. Government scientists now estimate that as much as a Valdez-worth of oil may be entering the Gulf coastal waters every four days. An even worse prognosis emerges from the 1991 Gulf war spill, when an estimated 11m barrels of oil were dumped into the Persian Gulf ? the largest spill ever. That oil entered the marshland and stayed there, burrowing deeper and deeper thanks to holes dug by crabs. It's not a perfect comparison, since so little clean-up was done, but according to a study conducted 12 years after the disaster, nearly 90% of the impacted muddy salt marshes and mangroves were still profoundly damaged.

We do know this. Far from being "made whole," the Gulf coast, more than likely, will be diminished. Its rich waters and crowded skies will be less alive than they are today. The physical space many communities occupy on the map will also shrink, thanks to erosion. And the coast's legendary culture will contract and wither. The fishing families up and down the coast do not just gather food, after all. They hold up an intricate network that includes family tradition, cuisine, music, art and endangered languages ? much like the roots of grass holding up the land in the marsh. Without fishing, these unique cultures lose their root system, the very ground on which they stand. (BP, for its part, is well aware of the limits of recovery. The company's Gulf of Mexico regional oil spill response plan specifically instructs officials not to make "promises that property, ecology, or anything else will be restored to normal". Which is no doubt why its officials consistently favour folksy terms like "make it right".)

If Katrina pulled back the curtain on the reality of racism in America, the BP disaster pulls back the curtain on something far more hidden: how little control even the most ingenious among us have over the awesome, intricately interconnected natural forces with which we so casually meddle. BP cannot plug the hole in the Earth that it made. Obama cannot order fish species to survive, or brown pelicans not to go extinct (no matter whose ass he kicks). No amount of money ? not BP's recently pledged $20bn (?13.5bn), not $100bn ? can replace a culture that has lost its roots. And while our politicians and corporate leaders have yet to come to terms with these humbling truths, the people whose air, water and livelihoods have been contaminated are losing their illusions fast.

"Everything is dying," a woman said as the town hall meeting was finally coming to a close. "How can you honestly tell us that our Gulf is resilient and will bounce back? Because not one of you up here has a hint as to what is going to happen to our Gulf. You sit up here with a straight face and act like you know when you don't know."

This Gulf coast crisis is about many things ? corruption, deregulation, the addiction to fossil fuels. But underneath it all, it's about this: our culture's excruciatingly dangerous claim to have such complete understanding and command over nature that we can radically manipulate and re-engineer it with minimal risk to the natural systems that sustain us. But as the BP disaster has revealed, nature is always more unpredictable than the most sophisticated mathematical and geological models imagine. During Thursday's congressional testimony, Hayward said: "The best minds and the deepest expertise are being brought to bear" on the crisis, and that, "with the possible exception of the space programme in the 1960s, it is difficult to imagine the gathering of a larger, more technically proficient team in one place in peacetime." And yet, in the face of what the geologist Jill Schneiderman has described as "Pandora's well", they are like the men at the front of that gymnasium: they act like they know, but they don't know.

BP's mission statement

In the arc of human history, the notion that nature is a machine for us to re-engineer at will is a relatively recent conceit. In her ground-breaking 1980 book The Death of Nature, the environmental historian Carolyn Merchant reminded readers that up until the 1600s, the Earth was alive, usually taking the form of a mother. Europeans ? like indigenous people the world over ? believed the planet to be a living organism, full of life-giving powers but also wrathful tempers. There were, for this reason, strong taboos against actions that would deform and desecrate "the mother", including mining.

The metaphor changed with the unlocking of some (but by no means all) of nature's mysteries during the scientific revolution of the 1600s. With nature now cast as a machine, devoid of mystery or divinity, its component parts could be dammed, extracted and remade with impunity. Nature still sometimes appeared as a woman, but one easily dominated and subdued. Sir Francis Bacon best encapsulated the new ethos when he wrote in the 1623 De dignitate et augmentis scientiarum that nature is to be "put in constraint, moulded, and made as it were new by art and the hand of man".

Those words may as well have been BP's corporate mission statement. Boldly inhabiting what the company called "the energy frontier", it dabbled in synthesising methane-producing microbes and announced that "a new area of investigation" would be geoengineering. And of course it bragged that, at its Tiber prospect in the Gulf of Mexico, it now had "the deepest well ever drilled by the oil and gas industry" ? as deep under the ocean floor as jets fly overhead.

Imagining and preparing for what would happen if these experiments in altering the building blocks of life and geology went wrong occupied precious little space in the corporate imagination. As we have all discovered, after the Deepwater Horizon rig exploded on 20 April, the company had no systems in place to effectively respond to this scenario. Explaining why it did not have even the ultimately unsuccessful containment dome waiting to be activated on shore, a BP spokesman, Steve Rinehart, said: "I don't think anybody foresaw the circumstance that we're faced with now." Apparently, it "seemed inconceivable" that the blowout preventer would ever fail ? so why prepare?

This refusal to contemplate failure clearly came straight from the top. A year ago, Hayward told a group of graduate students at Stanford University that he has a plaque on his desk that reads: "If you knew you could not fail, what would you try?" Far from being a benign inspirational slogan, this was actually an accurate description of how BP and its competitors behaved in the real world. In recent hearings on Capitol Hill, congressman Ed Markey of Massachusetts grilled representatives from the top oil and gas companies on the revealing ways in which they had allocated resources. Over three years, they had spent "$39bn to explore for new oil and gas. Yet, the average investment in research and development for safety, accident prevention and spill response was a paltry $20m a year."

These priorities go a long way towards explaining why the initial exploration plan that BP submitted to the federal government for the ill-fated Deepwater Horizon well reads like a Greek tragedy about human hubris. The phrase "little risk" appears five times. Even if there is a spill, BP confidently predicts that, thanks to "proven equipment and technology", adverse affects will be minimal. Presenting nature as a predictable and agreeable junior partner (or perhaps subcontractor), the report cheerfully explains that should a spill occur, "Currents and microbial degradation would remove the oil from the water column or dilute the constituents to background levels". The effects on fish, meanwhile, "would likely be sublethal" because of "the capability of adult fish and shellfish to avoid a spill to metabolise hydrocarbons". (In BP's telling, rather than a dire threat, a spill emerges as an all-you-can-eat buffet for aquatic life.)

Best of all, should a major spill occur, there is, apparently, "little risk of contact or impact to the coastline" because of the company's projected speedy response (!) and "due to the distance to shore" ? about 48 miles (77km). This is the most astonishing claim of all. In a gulf that often sees winds of more than 70km an hour, not to mention hurricanes, BP had so little respect for the ocean's capacity to ebb and flow, surge and heave, that it did not think oil could make a paltry 77km trip. (Last week, a shard of the exploded Deepwater Horizon showed up on a beach in Florida, 306km away.)

None of this sloppiness would have been possible, however, had BP not been making its predictions to a political class eager to believe that nature had indeed been mastered. Some, like Republican Lisa Murkowski, were more eager than others. The Alaskan senator was so awe-struck by the industry's four-dimensional seismic imaging that she proclaimed deep-sea drilling to have reached the very height of controlled artificiality. "It's better than Disneyland in terms of how you can take technologies and go after a resource that is thousands of years old and do so in an environmentally sound way," she told the Senate energy committee just seven months ago.

Drilling without thinking has of course been Republican party policy since May 2008. With gas prices soaring to unprecedented heights, that's when the conservative leader Newt Gingrich unveiled the slogan "Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less" ? with an emphasis on the now. The wildly popular campaign was a cry against caution, against study, against measured action. In Gingrich's telling, drilling at home wherever the oil and gas might be ? locked in Rocky Mountain shale, in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, and deep offshore ? was a surefire way to lower the price at the pump, create jobs, and kick Arab ass all at once. In the face of this triple win, caring about the environment was for sissies: as senator Mitch McConnell put it, "in Alabama and Mississippi and Louisiana and Texas, they think oil rigs are pretty". By the time the infamous "Drill Baby Drill" Republican national convention rolled around, the party base was in such a frenzy for US-made fossil fuels, they would have bored under the convention floor if someone had brought a big enough drill.

Obama, eventually, gave in, as he invariably does. With cosmic bad timing, just three weeks before the Deepwater Horizon blew up, the president announced he would open up previously protected parts of the country to offshore drilling. The practice was not as risky as he had thought, he explained. "Oil rigs today generally don't cause spills. They are technologically very advanced." That wasn't enough for Sarah Palin, however, who sneered at the Obama administration's plans to conduct more studies before drilling in some areas. "My goodness, folks, these areas have been studied to death," she told the Southern Republican leadership conference in New Orleans, now just 11 days before the blowout. "Let's drill, baby, drill, not stall, baby, stall!" And there was much rejoicing.

In his congressional testimony, Hayward said: "We and the entire industry will learn from this terrible event." And one might well imagine that a catastrophe of this magnitude would indeed instil BP executives and the "Drill Now" crowd with a new sense of humility. There are, however, no signs that this is the case. The response to the disaster ? at the corporate and governmental levels ? has been rife with the precise brand of arrogance and overly sunny predictions that created the disaster in the first place.

The ocean is big, she can take it, we heard from Hayward in the early days. While spokesman John Curry insisted that hungry microbes would consume whatever oil was in the water system, because "nature has a way of helping the situation". But nature has not been playing along. The deep-sea gusher has bust out of all BP's top hats, containment domes, and junk shots. The ocean's winds and currents have made a mockery of the lightweight booms BP has laid out to absorb the oil. "We told them," said Byron Encalade, the president of the Louisiana Oysters Association. "The oil's gonna go over the booms or underneath the bottom." Indeed it did. The marine biologist Rick Steiner, who has been following the clean up closely, estimates that "70% or 80% of the booms are doing absolutely nothing at all".

And then there are the controversial chemical dispersants: more than 1.3m gallons dumped with the company's trademark "what could go wrong?" attitude. As the angry residents at the Plaquemines Parish town hall rightly point out, few tests had been conducted, and there is scant research about what this unprecedented amount of dispersed oil will do to marine life. Nor is there a way to clean up the toxic mixture of oil and chemicals below the surface. Yes, fast multiplying microbes do devour underwater oil ? but in the process they also absorb the water's oxygen, creating a whole new threat to marine life.

BP had even dared to imagine that it could prevent unflattering images of oil-covered beaches and birds from escaping the disaster zone. When I was on the water with a TV crew, for instance, we were approached by another boat whose captain asked, "Y'all work for BP?" When we said no, the response ? in the open ocean ? was "You can't be here then". But of course these heavy-handed tactics, like all the others, have failed. There is simply too much oil in too many places. "You cannot tell God's air where to flow and go, and you can't tell water where to flow and go," I was told by Debra Ramirez. It was a lesson she had learned from living in Mossville, Louisiana, surrounded by 14 emission-spewing petrochemical plants, and watching illness spread from neighbour to neighbour.

Human limitation has been the one constant of this catastrophe. After two months, we still have no idea how much oil is flowing, nor when it will stop. The company's claim that it will complete relief wells by the end of August ? repeated by Obama in his Oval Office address ? is seen by many scientists as a bluff. The procedure is risky and could fail, and there is a real possibility that the oil could continue to leak for years.

The flow of denial shows no sign of abating either. Louisiana politicians indignantly oppose Obama's temporary freeze on deepwater drilling, accusing him of killing the one big industry left standing now that fishing and tourism are in crisis. Palin mused on Facebook that "no human endeavour is ever without risk", while Texas Republican congressman John Culberson described the disaster as a "statistical anomaly". By far the most sociopathic reaction, however, comes from veteran Washington commentator Llewellyn King: rather than turning away from big engineering risks, we should pause in "wonder that we can build machines so remarkable that they can lift the lid off the underworld".

Make the bleeding stop

Thankfully, many are taking a very different lesson from the disaster, standing not in wonder at humanity's power to reshape nature, but at our powerlessness to cope with the fierce natural forces we unleash. There is something else too. It is the feeling that the hole at the bottom of the ocean is more than an engineering accident or a broken machine. It is a violent wound in a living organism; that it is part of us. And thanks to BP's live camera feed, we can all watch the Earth's guts gush forth, in real time, 24 hours a day.

John Wathen, a conservationist with the Waterkeeper Alliance, was one of the few independent observers to fly over the spill in the early days of the disaster. After filming the thick red streaks of oil that the coast guard politely refers to as "rainbow sheen", he observed what many had felt: "The Gulf seems to be bleeding." This imagery comes up again and again in conversations and interviews. Monique Harden, an environmental rights lawyer in New Orleans, refuses to call the disaster an "oil spill" and instead says, "we are haemorrhaging". Others speak of the need to "make the bleeding stop". And I was personally struck, flying over the stretch of ocean where the Deepwater Horizon sank with the US Coast Guard, that the swirling shapes the oil made in the ocean waves looked remarkably like cave drawings: a feathery lung gasping for air, eyes staring upwards, a prehistoric bird. Messages from the deep.

And this is surely the strangest twist in the Gulf coast saga: it seems to be waking us up to the reality that the Earth never was a machine. After 400 years of being declared dead, and in the middle of so much death, the Earth is coming alive.

The experience of following the oil's progress through the ecosystem is a kind of crash course in deep ecology. Every day we learn more about how what seems to be a terrible problem in one isolated part of the world actually radiates out in ways most of us could never have imagined. One day we learn that the oil could reach Cuba ? then Europe. Next we hear that fishermen all the way up the Atlantic in Prince Edward Island, Canada, are worried because the Bluefin tuna they catch off their shores are born thousands of miles away in those oil-stained Gulf waters. And we learn, too, that for birds, the Gulf coast wetlands are the equivalent of a busy airport hub ? everyone seems to have a stopover: 110 species of migratory songbirds and 75% of all migratory US waterfowl.

It's one thing to be told by an incomprehensible chaos theorist that a butterfly flapping its wings in Brazil can set off a tornado in Texas. It's another to watch chaos theory unfold before your eyes. Carolyn Merchant puts the lesson like this: "The problem as BP has tragically and belatedly discovered is that nature as an active force cannot be so confined." Predictable outcomes are unusual within ecological systems, while "unpredictable, chaotic events usual". And just in case we still didn't get it, a few days ago, a bolt of lightning struck a BP ship like an exclamation mark, forcing it to suspend its containment efforts. And don't even mention what a hurricane would do to BP's toxic soup.

There is, it must be stressed, something uniquely twisted about this particular path to enlightenment. They say that Americans learn where foreign countries are by bombing them. Now it seems we are all learning about nature's circulatory systems by poisoning them.

In the late 90s, an isolated indigenous group in Colombia captured world headlines with an almost Avatar-esque conflict. From their remote home in the Andean cloud forests, the U'wa let it be known that if Occidental Petroleum carried out plans to drill for oil on their territory, they would commit mass ritual suicide by jumping off a cliff. Their elders explained that oil is part of ruiria, "the blood of Mother Earth". They believe that all life, including their own, flows from ruiria, so pulling out the oil would bring on their destruction. (Oxy eventually withdrew from the region, saying there wasn't as much oil as it had previously thought.)

Virtually all indigenous cultures have myths about gods and spirits living in the natural world ? in rocks, mountains, glaciers, forests ? as did European culture before the scientific revolution. Katja Neves, an anthropologist at Concordia University, points out that the practice serves a practical purpose. Calling the Earth "sacred" is another way of expressing humility in the face of forces we do not fully comprehend. When something is sacred, it demands that we proceed with caution. Even awe.

If we are absorbing this lesson at long last, the implications could be profound. Public support for increased offshore drilling is dropping precipitously, down 22% from the peak of the "Drill Now" frenzy. The issue is not dead, however. It is only a matter of time before the Obama administration announces that, thanks to ingenious new technology and tough new regulations, it is now perfectly safe to drill in the deep sea, even in the Arctic, where an under-ice clean up would be infinitely more complex than the one underway in the Gulf. But perhaps this time we won't be so easily reassured, so quick to gamble with the few remaining protected havens.

Same goes for geoengineering. As climate change negotiations wear on, we should be ready to hear more from Dr Steven Koonin, Obama's undersecretary of energy for science. He is one of the leading proponents of the idea that climate change can be combated with techno tricks like releasing sulphate and aluminium particles into the atmosphere ? and of course it's all perfectly safe, just like Disneyland! He also happens to be BP's former chief scientist, the man who just 15 months ago was still overseeing the technology behind BP's supposedly safe charge into deepwater drilling. Maybe this time we will opt not to let the good doctor experiment with the physics and chemistry of the Earth, and choose instead to reduce our consumption and shift to renewable energies that have the virtue that, when they fail, they fail small. As US comedian Bill Maher put it, "You know what happens when windmills collapse into the sea? A splash."

The most positive possible outcome of this disaster would be not only an acceleration of renewable energy sources like wind, but a full embrace of the precautionary principle in science. The mirror opposite of Hayward's "If you knew you could not fail" credo, the precautionary principle holds that "when an activity raises threats of harm to the environment or human health" we tread carefully, as if failure were possible, even likely. Perhaps we can even get Hayward a new desk plaque to contemplate as he signs compensation cheques. "You act like you know, but you don't know."
903) Message boards : Politics : Do you believe in GOD? (Message 1009077)
Posted 28 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I lifted some more biblical quotes from the site I offered earlier....


Biblical/Pentateuch Intolerance:

I see so many religionists rant and rave about how Atheists are “not tolerant of believers and have no respect for their faith”. To non believers this claim is absurd. For intolerance of various religions is the foundation of Judaism, Christianity, Muslim and many other orthodox communities. Matter of fact, the Bible and Pentateuch commands religious intolerance in MANY verses, even to the point of KILLING people for their beliefs. Here then, are a few choice verses that show just how intolerant these religionists are of other believers and nonbelievers. We shall start with the two verses that helped to inflict one of the biggest mass murders in history, the Inquisition.

Woman with “familiar spirits” must be stoned to death. Leviticus 20:27

“Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.” Exodus 22:18



Kill those who are not Christian or Jewish:

You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20

Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10

Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16

Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7

Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13

Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20

Any city that doesn’t receive the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. Mark 6:11

Jude reminds us that God destroys those who don’t believe in him. Jude 5



Ignorance is bliss. Christians should not practice free inquiry nor socialize with non Christians:

Don’t associate with non-Christians. Don’t receive them into your house or even exchange greeting with them. 2 John 1:10

Shun those who disagree with your religious views. Romans 16:17

Paul, knowing that their faith would crumble if subjected to free and critical inquiry, tells his followers to avoid philosophy. Colossians 2:8



Judge other religions for not following Christ:

Whoever denies “that Jesus is the Christ” is a liar and an anti-Christ. 1 John 2:22

Christians are “of God;” everyone else is wicked. 1 John 5:19

The non-Christian is “a deceiver and an anti-Christ” 2 John 1:7

Anyone who doesn’t share Paul’s beliefs has “an evil heart.” Hebrews 3:12

False Jews are members of “the synagogue of Satan.” Revelations 2:9, 3:9



Here are my two personal favorites:

Everyone will have to worship Jesus -- whether they want to or not. Philippians 2:10

A Christian can not be accused of any wrongdoing. Romans 8:33
904) Message boards : Politics : Say hello to my little friends (Message 1009073)
Posted 28 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

So Mujahideen = Taliban

Got it.




"Many of the mujahideen who later joined the Taliban fought alongside Afghan warlord Mohammad Nabi Mohammadi's Harkat i Inqilabi group at the time of the Russian invasion. This group also enjoyed the loyalty of most Afghan Arab fighters."

I lifted the above quote from the piece below...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda

905) Message boards : Politics : Say hello to my little friends (Message 1008786)
Posted 26 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Here's where I found the photo.

http://ourcanada.tk/

This is the caption under the photo...
President Ronald Regan meets with Afghan Taliban leaders at the White House.
906) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Worlds Cup (Message 1008751)
Posted 26 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
That really was an exciting game with plenty of good opportunities for both sides.
Well done US.
907) Message boards : Cafe SETI : The eyes of the kittyman...countdown to Bionic. (Message 1008668)
Posted 26 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
You're down to the short strokes, so it's time to express my hopes for a speedy recovery from a successful surgery.
Good luck msattler.
908) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Worlds Cup (Message 1008666)
Posted 26 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The soccer world is fortunate that the 2008 champions of old guy soccer in Prince George BC decided to not attend this World Cup.
Spain, Brazil and Portugal all have a good shot at taking the crown in our absense.

That's me with the ball in the cup.

909) Message boards : Politics : Say hello to my little friends (Message 1008664)
Posted 26 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
How many bad things going on in the world right now are directly linked to Reagan and his corporate criminal connections?

Here he is hosting the very people we are at war with at the present time.
I guess we really are judged by the company we keep.

910) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy Birthday KenzieB !!! (Message 1007113)
Posted 22 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

It is only 5:10 in the afternoon in Vancouver, but I am already incredibly drunk. I only drink twice a year, new years and today, so I am def a cheap date. Lol



I'm 500 miles north of you, but I'll crack a tube right now and join you in a birthday drink.
Cheers Kiddo



911) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : This universe of ours is interesting (Message 1007111)
Posted 22 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx?c=a&id=9963
912) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy Birthday KenzieB !!! (Message 1007102)
Posted 21 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Have a very Happy Birthday KenzieB
913) Message boards : Politics : The Gulf Oil Spill (Message 1006748)
Posted 21 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
More from the mouth that roared.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/37479318#37479318
914) Message boards : Number crunching : Confessions of a SETI@home Cruncher (Message 1006681)
Posted 20 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I crunch for SETI@Home only.
If there's an outage and I've run out of work, I shut my computer off.
There's no point in getting hysterical over technical problems and throwing a hissy fit isn't going to make the problem go away.

915) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : This universe of ours is interesting (Message 1006454)
Posted 20 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Welcome aboard Coco.
I just toss articles of interest in here...even if they interest only me.
Being a noob in astronomy, everything I come across seems so new and exciting.

http://www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx?c=a&id=9959
916) Message boards : Cafe SETI : The best 100 movie lines in 200 seconds..... (Message 1006447)
Posted 20 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Ever notice that once in a while you run across somebody you should not have
F'd with?

That would be me. You could ban me from these forums.......but you better not try to break into my house.

The most powerful handgun in the world.

MAKE MY DAY.

Pussies........ Whatever it is, you won't have a chance.

"I prayed that somebody would show up, but nobody came."

"The bartender looks up at them and says......get the F outta here.."

And I have turned my life over to God........and as such, could not be so mean.


But, do not cross my path anytime soon. Even God will not save you.


Turned your life over to God? Seems to me that you've turned your life over to Charlton Heston and the NRA.

The "I'm a bad dude with a big gun" thing grows tiresome. again.

I guess we were handed different Bibles as a kid.
Mine had a part called the New Testament that offered up a lot of peace and love, turn the other cheek and forgiveness in it.

Maybe if you read past the first part where all the vengence crap is you'd get the idea.

Be careful while you practice your quick draws. I'd hate to have to hear about how your shoes don't fit because you have only nine toes.
917) Message boards : Politics : Trust in your god, not men (Message 1006343)
Posted 19 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
1: In the beginning Man created God; and in the image of Man created he him.
**Ian Anderson


Boy, does that take me back.
I bought Agualung back in 1971 (?give or take a year?) and I still have it in the pile of vinyl under the basement stairs.
Thanks soft^spirit






918) Message boards : Politics : Trust in your god, not men (Message 1006295)
Posted 19 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Not if He's betting the point spread
919) Message boards : Cafe SETI : How do you think you will die? (Message 1006271)
Posted 19 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I've been functioning under the assumption that I am immortal.
I suppose I'll just carry on this way until proven wrong.
920) Message boards : Politics : Fraud on Welfare/Public Assistance (Message 1004315)
Posted 15 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Your country, your rules. However I would bet no matter your rules if you saw someone actively flouting them and spending your tax dollars in violation of the rules, you might be upset. I believe that is the motivation behind Blurf's post.


I think this may not come as a surprise to most people in here.
I wouldn't be upset at all. Really, I wouldn't.

Once the person has received their assistance, it's their's to do with as they please.
If they choose to eat healthy food, they have made a wise choice.
If they choose smokes, beer and Cheetos, so be it.
It's just none of my business what they eat or drink.

As a community, we have done our part in ensuring a meager source of income and I leave them the dignity of free choice when it comes to how they want to exist while receiving that income.

I'd much rather get angry at the spending habits of those on the receiving end of corporate welfare.




921) Message boards : Number crunching : Hitting a Mill (Message 1004307)
Posted 15 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I just noticed my credit total is 999,952
Looks like I'll hit a million tonight. YEEHAAAAAA
922) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Beer from Around the World... (Message 1004221)
Posted 14 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I've tried all the premium and imported beers but I always come back to Lucky Lager.
923) Message boards : Politics : Fraud on Welfare/Public Assistance (Message 1004211)
Posted 14 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Of course Robert, living in the USA you are fully aware that the WIC assistance program [the most common one] strictly prohibits the purchases Blurf saw.


I can't say that I'm fully aware of the rules GC because I live in Canada.
We don't take such a hard line on what recipients of social assistance can and cannot spend the money on.
Seems to me, a person at the bottom of the social structure would need a box of beer even more than a rich dude.
924) Message boards : Politics : The Gulf Oil Spill (Message 1003632)
Posted 12 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'm not even going to start picking apart your logic or reasoning other than to Same the Limbaughesque tranference syndrome is clearly at work. Bush a Progressive? Liberals Pushed them further offshore? I'm going to stop short of calling everything you've typed in your last post as a bald faced lie. This really is pathetic. Post so much crap that it takes hours to research it and in the end you'll just deny it.


It gets old, doesn't it? I don't see any logic in engaging people like Dena in a discussion.
There's no give and take in any exchange with her. It's just a one way pipeline coming straight from the far right talking points issued by Fatface Limbaugh and the getting fatter by the day Beckerhead.

Why regular people would take their marching orders from super rich ideologs is a question I can never answer.



925) Message boards : Politics : Fraud on Welfare/Public Assistance (Message 1003628)
Posted 12 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I opened this thread to see what "Fraud" was being perpetrated only to find the usual Reaganist hate mongering of those at the bottom end of society.

No evidence of fraud is offered, just personal opinions about the purchacing choices made in the store, opinions about her fat kids and wedged in there was some crap about this person spouting off to anyone in range that she was on the public cheese.

Did you follow her around that day Blurf? Do you know for a fact that she didn't already have the healthy choices of food in the fridge at home?

RRRR poor people RRRR let's hate them all RRRRR
The premise of this thread is so cliche I tend to not believe it from the start.
926) Message boards : Politics : Climate Change, 'Greenhouse' effects, Environment, etc part II (Message 1003620)
Posted 12 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
It is our only planet and to paraphrase Bill Maher (the first of the two links I posted) this is a science issue and therefore non-scientists don't get a vote.

I've been in the group that believes we should err on the side of caution.
If the science is correct in their warnings, we have to do what we can to lessen the impacts of our activities.
If the science is wrong, we still end up with a cleaner environment by cutting emmissions and seeking other methods of producing energy.

I believe the science is correct. Petroleum and nuclear are not options that should remain on the table.
927) Message boards : Politics : Climate Change, 'Greenhouse' effects, Environment, etc part II (Message 1002794)
Posted 11 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.canada.com/technology/Wacky+spring+weather+warmest+record+Canada/3136667/story.html
928) Message boards : Politics : Climate Change, 'Greenhouse' effects, Environment, etc part II (Message 1002776)
Posted 11 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/video/video.php?v=128881907132045

929) Message boards : Politics : The Gulf Oil Spill (Message 1002379)
Posted 10 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Hmmm
Looks like business as usual with more of the same old same old.
These efforts didn't work in 1979 and strangely enough, they haven't worked now.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHmhxpQEGPo&feature=player_embedded
930) Message boards : Cafe SETI : i need (Message 1002007)
Posted 9 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
MMMMMMM Bacon
931) Message boards : Politics : Do you think this is Money well spent Yes No (Message 1001658)
Posted 8 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:



We sure save Canada a lot of money every year not needing much of a defence budget...I bet if America was more like Mexico Canada would spend more on defence.


LOL...so it's our fault the US outspends everyone else in the world on it's military.

Blame Canada!
932) Message boards : Politics : Do you believe in GOD? (Message 1001655)
Posted 8 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


An oldie but a goodie
933) Message boards : Politics : Do you believe in GOD? (Message 1001428)
Posted 7 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
When, in the history of human endevor, religion becomes part of the ruling state, attrocities such as this occur as a matter of doctrine.

Human history is replete with stories such as this. Religion is unhealthy for those outside the fundamental base.
This story explains my fear of religion very well.
934) Message boards : Politics : Do you believe in GOD? (Message 1001311)
Posted 6 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
By the way msattler, do you have any comments on this list of contradictions posted in the link?

Is there some way a believer can read this and explain it in a way that makes any sense at all?

http://www.evilbible.com/Biblical%20Contradictions.htm

935) Message boards : Politics : Do you believe in GOD? (Message 1001310)
Posted 6 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:




Byron......there IS a God.

And even if you refuse to acknowledge him, he still looks after you.

That's what he does.


Can you please rationalize this belief with my post earlier?
The post I mention is this one:

Burn Nonbelievers



"Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

The non-believers here are to be murdered and their possessions are to be burned.
If that is what you mean by being taken care of, well, I'd rather live in a universe where life sprang up on it's own with no help from this all loving God.
936) Message boards : Politics : Do you believe in GOD? (Message 1001184)
Posted 6 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
There's the rub.
Which are the true?

http://www.evilbible.com/Biblical%20Contradictions.htm

To base one's life on serial contradictions seems like a wasted life.
937) Message boards : Cafe SETI : There are few things in life....... (Message 1001149)
Posted 6 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Nothing could top the birth of my kids.
938) Message boards : Politics : Do you think this is Money well spent Yes No (Message 1001128)
Posted 6 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I think we need to get our priorities straight.
NO
939) Message boards : Politics : Do you believe in GOD? (Message 1001126)
Posted 6 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Burn Nonbelievers



"Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

I really hope the religious fundamentalists are unsuccessful in their bid to control the house, senate and of course, the lives of all the unbelievers.
Every time the church has had power, bad things have happened.
940) Message boards : Politics : Do you believe in GOD? (Message 1001122)
Posted 6 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Yes, Virginia...I know there is a God above.
And whether others believe it or not should not matter to you.
For he does not care what they think.......only what you do.



[b][b]Kill Nonbelievers

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

This seems to be in contradiction with what you think msattler. Actually, the Bible is loaded with stories of God ordering the killing of entire civilizations for what they think.



941) Message boards : Cafe SETI : KIttyman at a crossroads...part II. (Message 1000821)
Posted 5 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Fair enough msattler.
As I stated in my response to your PM, I thought I was the target of that jab so I responded in a like manner.
I publically apologize for leaping to a conclusion and for coming back with an overly aggressive response.

Good luck with the surgery.
942) Message boards : Cafe SETI : KIttyman at a crossroads...part II. (Message 1000817)
Posted 5 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
One prick to another: I hope the surgery is a success. Not because I like you or agree with you on anything.

I believe we have one short existence on this world and we should all have the opportunity to make the best of it. Even those we may think of as needy reactionary right wing jerks. :p
943) Message boards : Politics : Harrison Schmitt on the Gulf Oil Spill (Message 1000813)
Posted 5 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
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Well, I can see again that any hope of possibly getting you to look beyond your own little version of the world according to Beckerhead is fruitless.

I try to show that the human spirit can soar while you respond with lazy Indians and drunken Russians as examples of why we need greed.

God damn Ronald Reagan to hell for doing away with the Fairness Doctrine for broadcasters. It has lead to idiots like Beckerhead and Fatface Limbaugh brainwashing an entire segment of a once vibrant society.
Have a happy tea party.

I think I'm done with this.
944) Message boards : Politics : The Massacre of the Gaza Aid Flotilla (Message 1000529)
Posted 4 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The Cuban blockade was designed to prevent weapons from getting to Cuba. The United States had the right in international waters to stop and inspect any ship for weapons (nuclear or not) that was headed to Cuba. If American Marines or sailors had been attacked in the process they would've had the right to defend themselves with deadly force.




Qui-Gon
Could you please cite the international regulations that back up your position that the US had the right to stop and inspect ships bound for Cuba in international waters?

I know America feels it is permitted to unilaterally do whatever it wants, but just once, could you show why it was legal in international waters?

I also feel Americans need to understand that the fear they felt about nuclear missles being positioned against them so close to home was the same fear they placed on the USSR by surrounding that country with nuclear missles.

I know, I know, it was ok because you were the good guys, right?
945) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : This universe of ours is interesting (Message 1000507)
Posted 4 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx?c=a&id=9915
946) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Any fishermen/women here? (Message 1000505)
Posted 4 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I love fishing.
Most of the time I fish for Rainbow trout, but hooking on to a big Dolly Varden can sure make your day.
I also love to fish for Char (Lake Trout) which can be over 30 lbs but they are getting more rare these days.

So many people think they've caught something special when they land a 5 to 7 lb Char. They don't realize that Char are still juvenials at that weight and haven't even reproduced yet. Any Char under 7 lbs gets released from my boat. If you don't like that rule, fish from shore.
947) Message boards : Politics : Harrison Schmitt on the Gulf Oil Spill (Message 1000501)
Posted 4 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
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The feeling I get is not greed, but the fact that I want more is.


That feeling is caused by the release of endorphines into the brain via the bloodstream.

The truth of the matter is you want more because of the reward your body has given itself for doing good.
This isn't greed. You simply want more because it feels good to do good works for your community and social group.

Greed doesn't present this same physiological response within the body because greed is a selfish act.
Performing a selfish act serves no usefull purpose to the survival of the tribe and evolution hasn't provided us with a greed pleasure response.
In fact, most normal humans have a shameful response to acts of greed.

Greed is counter productive in terms of human survival.
We are a social animal and we have been conditioned by natural selection to perform as a part of the collective.
Without this positive response to acts of kindness and generosity, we would never have come down from the trees.

It wasn't greed that drove human evolution, it was our collective need to nurture others in our group by the sharing of possessions and food.

Please excuse any spelling errors...I had a few cocktails after work.
948) Message boards : Politics : Harrison Schmitt on the Gulf Oil Spill (Message 1000261)
Posted 3 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
There is nothing wrong with helping people and I do it when I can. The reason is when I make an impact on a persons life, I get a good feeling. The reason I continue to do so is because I crave that feeling and my payment for the service is the feeling. Because I want even more, I call that my greed.

Wanting more is what created the world we live in today. Without greed we would still be living in trees.


When you help someone, you get a good feeling.
The corporatist profiteering pampered elites have told you this is greed.
I call it the thing that makes us human.

Greed is the accumulation of capital and goods beyond the point where your needs are being met. (with allowances for some creature comforts)

When one has so much that several generations of their family can live in Calligula-like splendor while doing nothing productive for society. That is greed.

You don't seem like one consumed with greed in that last post. I'm thinking you just need to lay off reading the right wing garbage.
949) Message boards : Politics : Harrison Schmitt on the Gulf Oil Spill (Message 1000223)
Posted 3 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
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“A Native American grandfather talking to his young grandson tells the boy he has two wolves inside of him struggling with each other. The first is the wolf of peace, love and kindness. The other wolf is fear, greed and hatred. "Which wolf will win, grandfather?" asks the young boy. "Whichever one I feed," is the reply.”
950) Message boards : Politics : Harrison Schmitt on the Gulf Oil Spill (Message 1000219)
Posted 3 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
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If bettering working people's lives is seen as a bad thing by you...I guess I'm doing something right.
951) Message boards : Politics : Harrison Schmitt on the Gulf Oil Spill (Message 1000209)
Posted 3 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
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I always say that the far right has a low opinion of humanity.
Those of you who buy into this greed driven form of existence must project that onto others in a case of self delusion to salve your own souls.
I suppose the reason for this is that you think you are normal, so everyone one else must feel the same levels of greed as you.

There are many powerful forces that drive humans.
The most powerful force would probably be love. Love has been the inspiration for some of humanities finest moments in art, literature and of course real life.
For love, people have both aspired to greatness and also given up everything.

Wonder, or our sense of discovery is another. The wonder of knowing the universe and all it's secrets drives people. The wonder of what's over the horizon has caused us to cross continents and oceans. It will eventually send us to the stars.

You can live in your greed inspired world if you see fit, but I find greater things than greed while sitting in my boat on a quiet lake as the sun rises.
You can equate all human activity with greed but the vast majority of people are inspired and driven by far better things.

I know that the things I do are not for greed. I know it in my gut.
When I spent untold hours performing unpaid union work, it wasn't greed driving me, it was to try and better the lives of those I worked with.
I still go to work every day, like the vast majority of common people. It isn't greed that sends me to work. Necessity drives me to work. In the same way hunter/gatherers must get out to provide the necessities so must we. Our society may be greatly different from that of hunter/gatherers, but our necessities are the same.
We all must have food, water and shelter. If, in an industrial society, one acquires material goods as a side benefit of one's labours, it doesn't mean it's due to greed. It's simply a byproduct of living in an industrial society.

It doesn't matter to me that people like you don't get it.
The reason you don't get it is directly proportional to your own level of greed.
952) Message boards : Politics : Harrison Schmitt on the Gulf Oil Spill (Message 1000164)
Posted 3 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
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I would say that Greed is the most important trait that drives humans. You may think I am wrong, but consider that greed is not always about money. It could be making sure your family is taken care of. It could be having the time to do charity work. It could be about power. It's being able to get what's most important to you. People may think they are filling a need to help other, but it's a way of taking care of their greed to feel good about what they do.


Dena, that is the worst argument I've ever seen.
The super rich elites, having no way of justifying their own greed, simply thrust the word greed onto their critics.

If the pampered elites are driven by greed, so must be the person spooning out the soup in a breadline.

Even a child could tear that argument down.
953) Message boards : Politics : Right wingers know who's to blame (Message 1000154)
Posted 2 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
He went so far to the right that he fell off his flat Earth.
954) Message boards : Politics : Harrison Schmitt on the Gulf Oil Spill (Message 999898)
Posted 2 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
And, all the women who have won the right to vote in America owe tribute to Susan B. Anthony, a socialist, with all those American citizens, both men and women, of the socialist and communist parties fighting for civil rights, and champions of the suffrage movement. (Woman and American Socialism 1870-1920 Books.Google.com)


Seems I've found the source of your 1870 theory
955) Message boards : Politics : Harrison Schmitt on the Gulf Oil Spill (Message 999892)
Posted 2 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Dena says:
June 1, 2010 at 9:20 pm
I have been learning about the progressive movement and our brainwashing started around 1870.

Dena, you could learn about astrology too, but that doesn't mean astrology is anything more than pablum for the simple minded.
956) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : This universe of ours is interesting (Message 999817)
Posted 1 Jun 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://chandra.harvard.edu/photo/2009/crab/
957) Message boards : Politics : Chomsky on why the center is weakening (Message 999761)
Posted 31 May 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Noam Chomsky explains the movement away from the political center and what is driving this.

http://www.democracynow.org/2010/5/31/noam_chomsky_the_center_cannot_hold
958) Message boards : Politics : Are the global melters still lying? (Message 999609)
Posted 30 May 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
???
If the average temperature of Earth is, let's say 15C for arguments sake, why is it so darned cold at the North Pole?

That seems to be the argument you are making.

So, I suppose you should just ignore the melting glaciers and polar regions.
Ignore them, even though the greatest non-believers of global warming such as Stephen Harper (Canadian Prime Minister)and his fellow right wing wingnuts are striving to claim ownership of Arctic shipping routes that strangely enough seem to be open even during the North American winters now.
959) Message boards : Politics : Animal Brutality (Message 999595)
Posted 29 May 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
You need to learn the difference between fact and opinion.


LOL
I rest my case.
960) Message boards : Politics : Animal Brutality (Message 999581)
Posted 29 May 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
OK, we want a fact based conclusion.

Fact 1...PETA : People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals. The name itself states their mission statement. I do not believe for one second that PETA members would have broken into a dairy farm to perform outrageous brutalities upon cattle.
Look at the footage again. In many scenes the cattle's udders are absolutely loaded with milk. If PETA was involved in a break in, where the hell was the dairy owner and his crew? Shouldn't they be aware that the cattle are due for milking? It's done on a very regular schedule.
Have the farm hands all gone on vacation and left the cattle to milk themselves?
That's a very weak argument for the assertion that PETA did this act.

Fact 2...Farmers would not risk injuring their own stock. It's quite clear that these guys are running cattle through the gates and using whatever means are at their disposal to hurry the process along. In a post-Reagan deregulated world, stabbing holes in a cow's shoulder and neck to hurry production along would just be part of a cost/benefit analysis. If it speeds the milking process and does nothing to damage the product (milk) then it is justified, in their minds.

Fact 3...PETA members, having broken into this dairy are so damned stupid that they actually present their faces to the camera while performing these atrocities. They take the footage back to their secret lair to edit and put it together to present to the public, never once noticing that they have filmed themselves doing this and therefore have incriminated themselves before the world.

Fact 4...This is as stupid as Rush Limbaugh blaming the Sierra Club for the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. The conclusion one must draw from fact 4 is that right wingers are mindless automatons who will spout the party/corporate line even in the face of the truth.
961) Message boards : Politics : Animal Brutality (Message 999504)
Posted 29 May 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
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The video is sickening in it's cruelty. Those men should be prosecuted to the fullest extent allowed by law.

To find some posts blaming PETA for the cruelty is beyong belief. Some of you actually think the people trying to end animal cruelty broke into a barn and filmed themselves beating animals.

Think about that for a minute while you pray before your Ronald Reagan alter.
What wires are crossed here?
962) Message boards : Politics : Right wingers know who's to blame (Message 999410)
Posted 29 May 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
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Fatface Limbaugh has a unique angle on who's to blame for the BP/Halliburton oil spill in the gulf.

http://vodpod.com/watch/3649809-rush-limbaugh-blame-sierra-club-for-oil-spill

963) Message boards : Politics : BP: The Gift that Keeps on Giving (Message 999365)
Posted 28 May 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.gregpalast.com/smart-pig-bps-other-spill-this-week/
964) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : This universe of ours is interesting (Message 999363)
Posted 28 May 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx?c=a&id=9904
965) Message boards : Cafe SETI : the Bibliophile bunker. (Message 999362)
Posted 28 May 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I've just finished this one:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/books/review-the-armageddon-factor-by-marci-mcdonald/article1569099/

and I just picked this up yesterday:
http://www.librarything.com/work/9392/descriptions
966) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : This universe of ours is interesting (Message 999269)
Posted 28 May 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.ciclops.org/ir_index_main/Cassini
967) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : This universe of ours is interesting (Message 999268)
Posted 28 May 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx?c=a&id=9900
968) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : This universe of ours is interesting (Message 999267)
Posted 28 May 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx?c=a&id=9901
969) Message boards : Cafe SETI : LOST: A Series Finale Masterwork (Message 999265)
Posted 28 May 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I watched an entire 5 minutes of the series once while surfing channels. Once a commercial came on, I moved on.
970) Message boards : Politics : WHY do you/don't you believe in GOD? (Message 999252)
Posted 28 May 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
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I could spout my reasons for none belief, but someone else has already taken the time and made the effort. I'll just provide the link to an essay written on why one would not believe.

http://www.evilbible.com/why_i_am_not_a_christian.htm
971) Message boards : Politics : BP oil spill live feed (Message 999077)
Posted 27 May 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


http://www.vancouversun.com/news/Chevron+warned+couldn+clean+Canadian+coastal+spill/3049172/story.html
972) Message boards : Politics : BP oil spill live feed (Message 999076)
Posted 27 May 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
This just sickens me to my core.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/26/bp-oil-spill-live-feed-vi_n_590635.html
973) Message boards : Politics : The kittyman is at a crossroads......... (Message 998695)
Posted 25 May 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I won't bother to comment on the argument that people wouldn't look after themselves.
Republicans, Conservatives and religious nationalists all carry a low opinion of their fellow citizens.


My father in law has had cataract surgery and a friend at work has just come back from a month off after having a new cornea implanted.

They didn't have to sell anything because they had no deductables to pay.
974) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Angela's Birthday Thread (Message 998592)
Posted 24 May 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I would like to join in on wishing you a very Happy Birthday
975) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : This universe of ours is interesting (Message 998590)
Posted 24 May 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx?c=a&id=9886
976) Message boards : Politics : The kittyman is at a crossroads......... (Message 998387)
Posted 24 May 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
An interesting article from the National Post...


U.S. health care lies about Canada
Posted: May 12, 2009, 8:40 AM by Diane Francis
Greed, U.S. Politics, dysfunction


National disgrace: Free health care handed out to Americans last year in an animal pen.


Another American blowhard
Just who is this jerk, Rick Scott of propaganda-mongering Conservatives for Patients’ Rights? He and his group are fabricating negatives about Canada’s health care system and I resent this. I am an American who has lived in Canada for more than 35 years. I can vouch that the system is more than adequate and is not run by civil servants but by doctors who are able to treat everyone, rich or poor.
Mr. Scott, and other conservatives (code for rich) are against universal health care without any justification whatsoever. Their criticisms are in accurate and should not be broadcast.
Where are the ethics in network broadcasting? I saw one of Scott’s ads on CNN recently and wondered why the same curation of content was not imposed on CNN advertising messages as is upheld editorially. If CNN is unwilling to vet content, then where is the FCC?


The real story
Here are the facts as to why Canada’s medical system, far from perfect, is dramatically better than America’s:
1. It is cheaper even though it takes care of the entire population, or 10% of GDP compared with 15% in the U.S.
2. Canada’s health care system which fully looks after 32 million people costs roughly what the private-sector health insurance companies make in profits in the United States looking after less than half the population for excessive premiums.
3. Canada’s health care system is cheaper still if the litigation costs of fighting over medical bills is eliminated as it is when the government is the sole-insurer. Estimates are that court costs and judgments add another 2 to 3% of GDP to the total medical tab.
4. Canada’s health care system enhances economic productivity. Workers diagnosed with illnesses can still change employers and be employable because they are not rejected by employers with health benefits due to pre-conditions.
5. Infant mortality is much lower in Canada and Europe than in the U.S.
6. Outcomes with major illnesses, such as cancer and heart disease, are better than in the United States.
7. Longevity is better in Canada and Europe than in the U.S.
8. No emergency is neglected in Canada.
9. Some elective procedures may take longer if compared to blue-ribbon U.S. health care but that’s no comparing apples with apples. More appropriately, the overall population’s care should be compared and there are tens of millions of Americans who are uninsured or uninsurable.
10. No one in Canada goes broke because of medical bills whereas ARP estimates half of personal bankruptcies are due to unpaid, high medical bills.
11. Canadians are able to choose their own physicians and to seek multiple opinions.
12. Canadian doctors and nurses are better trained than American counterparts and U.S. physicians must study for at least a year in order to qualify to practice in Canada.
13. Drugs made and invented in the United States are cheaper in Canada, Europe and Japan because our communal health care means volume discounts and savings passed along to society. Americans are overpaying.
14. Americans are being cheated by a patchwork quilt system where the highest risk people – veterans, the indigent and elderly – are insured by governments but the “gravy” or young, healthy people are handed over to private insurance companies.

Is Canada’s system perfect? No and nobody said it was. Networks should stop allowing propagandists to tell lies and any arguments about other countries’ practices should be ignored as totally irrelevant.
The United States is a rich and talented nation and it’s very upsetting to me, as an American, that it does not have the world’s best medical care for its citizens instead of one of the worst.
Americans deserve better.




977) Message boards : Politics : The kittyman is at a crossroads......... (Message 998385)
Posted 24 May 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Then would you explain this in your frame of reference.


According to the piece you posted, doctors were unsable to do the surgery in Canada so the family went south. Thank you for being such good neighbours.

Should I post a bunch of pieces about Americans coming north for affordable treatments and pharmaceuticals?



978) Message boards : Politics : The kittyman is at a crossroads......... (Message 998352)
Posted 24 May 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


This belongs over on the political form, but it is the march to free medical care that is causing much of the problem. We not only pay for our care but we give very good care and maybe better care than we receive to those who don't pay. The difference is that it is hidden in your taxes where as it comes directly out of our pockets here. The person who is responsible and takes responsibility for their actions pay in this country. The irresponsible get off scott free.


Wrong Dena
This belongs exactly where I put it. It's in a thread posted by a guy who's going to have to make personal sacrifices to cover his costs in a for profit medical system.

Of course the costs come from our taxes. They aren't hidden.
The costs are a matter of public record.
The difference is that I wouldn't have to worry about how I was going to cover the cost from my own pocket.

Medical costs are socialized. That means it's equal for all and no one has to worry about remortgaging their home or worry about selling off assets during at medical situation that is already stressfull enough.

As for your howling at the irresponsible being treated better than those who try to do the right thing...save it for the Sarah Palin crowd, I don't buy it.
979) Message boards : Politics : The kittyman is at a crossroads......... (Message 998317)
Posted 23 May 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
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This situation is a very good example of why universal single payer health care is good for regular people. The pampered elites never have to face the reality of giving up something they enjoy or even love for the sake of financing their portion of a medical procedure needed to maintain their quality of life.
No, they just cut a cheque for the full amount.

Anyone who supports the “for profit” health care system in America should take a moment to rethink the social injustice built into the system.

As msattler is now discovering, the free market is anything but free.

While some members of the SETI@Home forums have been quite vocal about their extreme right wing views, they must now acknowledge that the whole John Wayne stand on your own attitude cannot work for common citizens in a medical time of need.

There can be no equality or justice when citizens are cast aside by the system when they encounter insurmountable expenses due to medical needs, and this one is a relatively minor expense in the grand scheme of things.

So, in the name of the ideology of free markets, a member of the forums must most likely sell off personal possessions, cut back on the power needed to run those possessions and make many other sacrifices in order to pay the pound of flesh his insurers demand.

This does not happen in Canada. I know many of the extreme righties will call our medical system socialism and I don't give a damn.
If msattler happened to be a citizen of this country, he would simply walk in on the day of his surgery and walk out after his recovery period.
No one has to sweat out the stress of paying their deductible because the costs have been socialized.

We don't have to fall back on car washes and bake sales to raise funds. Of course, these are just smaller and more personal ways of socializing the costs but they are socializing none the less.

I'm very aware msattler's views on the so called socialization of his country under Obama and I'm quite certain that his ideology would never permit himself the calming effect afforded those of us who enjoy our universal single payer health care.
I'm also quite certain that, as one who has expressed deep concern about the creeping socialist attitudes within his country, msattler would never allow funding to be raised in his cause and that his ideology would never allow him to accept those funds if they were raised.

That would be too socialist.
980) Message boards : Politics : Trust in your god, not men (Message 998142)
Posted 23 May 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
LOL
981) Message boards : Politics : Trust in your god, not men (Message 998135)
Posted 23 May 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
That link was in no way aimed at you KenzieB.
I hope you didn't take it that way.
982) Message boards : Politics : Trust in your god, not men (Message 998128)
Posted 23 May 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mQZmCJUSC6g
983) Message boards : Cafe SETI : The Seti whining thread......... (Message 998030)
Posted 22 May 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
This guy wonders why some people don't understand him?

I just can't play nice nice with this guy anymore.
He abuses his posting priviledges.
He abuses minorities.
He abuses the English language with his simpleton poems.

I should start a pool to guess the date of his next crybaby, nobody knows the trouble I've seen post.

Oh well, soon enough he won't be seeing troubles at all.

PS: Love of country is a unique defense for your choice of foul language.
Well thought out dude.
984) Message boards : Politics : Trust in your god, not men (Message 997814)
Posted 22 May 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Is any among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church; and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord: and the prayer of faith shall save him that is sick, and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he have committed sins, it shall be forgiven him. (James 5:14-15 ASV)


"True believers" here's the proof that you don't need doctors.
Don't waste your money on health insurance.
Don't worry about what medical procedure is recommended by the doctors.
Just follow your faith and all will be well with you.
985) Message boards : Politics : Trust in your god, not men (Message 997665)
Posted 21 May 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Why would someone, with a self proclaimed deep belief in God, even bother to be a participant in health care insurance?
Those who “truly believe” always seem to hedge their bets with health coverage, home insurance, retirement plans and other forms of coverage.

Why?
Do they truly believe that God's will should be done? Do they think they need to help God in some way by having insurance?
Why bother with health care insurance when the “true believer” can fall on their knees and pray for a cure?

Of course, this brings the question: If the ailment is God's will, is a prayer going to make God reconsider?
“Hmmm, My will was to allow Fritz to suffer and/or die of (insert painful condition here) but that was such a good prayer that I'll change my plans for the universe and heal him instead.”

Why do the “true believers” bother visiting doctors? By their own claims, and many quotes in their Bible, all they need to do is pray for good health every day and it should be so.

I suppose the “true believers” aren't quite so certain about the likelihood of prayer being answered as they might claim to others.

It's like a jerky president from the past, let's call him George W. Bush, going on and on about God's will but still surrounding himself with Secret Service protection. If bonehead were indeed a “true believer” he would have accepted God's will and dismissed the protection of mere men. If it were God's will that he would not die, the bugger could have walked the streets of Baghdad naked and alone while bellowing curses through a bullhorn. But he would never put his faith to the test in that manner, would he.

I think the same can be said about “true believers” who always seem to end up in the hospitals of man rather than relying on the will of their God to save them from whatever outcome life has in store for them.
I say put your faith to the test and refuse the aid of men while exercising your right to freedom of religion. Pray to your God as your form of health care. Once a “true believer” has reached the age of consent, which wouldn't be that often without pharmaceuticals and human health care, I fully support their right to rely completely upon their God to keep them alive and healthy.
986) Message boards : Politics : World may become too hot for humans... (Message 995475)
Posted 11 May 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:



So after all that Robert, you agree. Politicians are doing as they please.


Uh, no.
I don't agree. The premise of your statement was that there was "nothing we can do about it" and I simply pointed out you were wrong.

We can do anything we want if we get our shite together collectively.
987) Message boards : Politics : World may become too hot for humans... (Message 995443)
Posted 10 May 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


And before you start arguing again, my point is that there's nothing we can do about it. Politicians run the world, we just live on it. They make the world we live in.



Politicians will do exactly what the people tell them to do, if the people can get their shite together and force the issue.

We have the ultimate power but fail to exercise it as a collective entity.
988) Message boards : Cafe SETI : someone save me!!!! (Message 992270)
Posted 27 Apr 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Next time, do what all guys do.
Get rubber-faced and dance with your wife.
989) Message boards : Politics : Aliens may exist but contact would hurt humans: Hawking (Message 992241)
Posted 27 Apr 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
No worries Iona
That would be like warning Carl Sagan on an aircraft carrier to stay away from a proto-human squatting on an island banging two rocks together while thinking it's the apex of universal intellect.
990) Message boards : Cafe SETI : How can I possibly explain this? (Message 992093)
Posted 26 Apr 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Welcome to Earth great intergalactic being.

Thank you for your concerns about human violence toward other members of the species and your concerns about cats and fish are understood by many of us.

I have just one small question to put to you great intergalactic being.

How can you advocate for peace while you openly support shooting unwhite humans for minor property crimes and border violations?

I await your words of wisdom oh great intergalactic being.
991) Message boards : Cafe SETI : The song you never tire of (Message 990327)
Posted 19 Apr 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
For me, it's this...
I can't explain why I can listen to this endlessly.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AINUPFbFpqg

Hell, I'm not even a country fan
992) Message boards : Cafe SETI : First mowing of the season..... (Message 989960)
Posted 17 Apr 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
No sign of green in my yard yet, but the snow is all gone.
We seem to be about 6 weeks early this year...not that I'm complaining.

I'm eyeballing the boat, thinking about getting that new fish finder and changing the oil in the leg.
993) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : Would this work? (Message 989803)
Posted 17 Apr 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Besides that, the current science indicates CO2 is not a problem.


Dena
Please go sit in your car while it is running in a closed garage. When the tank is empty, please come out and repeat this statement.
994) Message boards : Politics : WHY do you/don't you believe in GOD? (Message 988581)
Posted 12 Apr 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
As human knowledge advances, religious doctrin is pushed aside.
I'm fairly certain no one sacrifices a virgin to the gods in order to cause the sun to rise anymore.

995) Message boards : Politics : WHY do you/don't you believe in GOD? (Message 988119)
Posted 10 Apr 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Here's a well thought out and respectfully presented argument against the idea of a god.

Essentially, the basic premise is to ask the question about why if God is claimed to have healed cancers, illnesses and other various medical conditions, why then hasn't God ever healed an amputee?

http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/
996) Message boards : Politics : Do you believe in GOD? (Message 987786)
Posted 9 Apr 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
NO!
997) Message boards : Politics : Show off your red neck................ (Message 987778)
Posted 9 Apr 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Hymn 43

Oh father high in heaven smile down upon your son
whose busy with his money games his women and his gun.
And the unsung Western Hero killed an indian or three
and made his name in Hollywood to set the white man free.
If Jesus saves, well he'd better save himself
from the gory glory seekers who use his name in death.
I saw him in the city and on the mountains of the moon
his cross was rather bloody He could hardly roll his stone.


I thought some Jethro Tull lyrics were called for.
998) Message boards : Politics : Let the Olympic hangover begin (Message 987764)
Posted 9 Apr 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Many were shipped out of Vancouver to places like this...

http://www.baldyhughes.com/Welcome.html

It's just outside of my town in the middle of the province.
While the services offered are all agreeable to me, the place was also a very convenient dumping ground during the Olympics.
Notice the last item they offer treatment for.

I'm sure anyone wishing to spend the time could easily fing many more sites like this all over the province.
999) Message boards : Politics : Show off your red neck................ (Message 987762)
Posted 9 Apr 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Rummaging through your car is a capital offense?
Good thing for you that being out of touch with reality isn't also a capital offense.

What are you going to do when the powerful elites decide mental illness is cause to put you down?
It's bye-bye time for you.

I'm not going to start using the red x, but this crap you spout sometimes is really over the top.
1000) Message boards : Politics : Animals don't invent Gods... (Message 987546)
Posted 8 Apr 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Sorry Skildude, I haven't seen that movie.
1001) Message boards : Politics : Animals don't invent Gods... (Message 987534)
Posted 8 Apr 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I think the deity issue is a manifestation of a frightened mind seeking leadership.
1002) Message boards : Politics : Let the Olympic hangover begin (Message 987532)
Posted 8 Apr 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thanks for the civics lesson.

I guess I'm imagining all of the social cutbacks. The Olympics may have brought a few short term jobs for regular old working people but the overwhelming amount of capital spent by the conservative/reformer/right wingers, who hijacked the Liberal party in order to steal the name, went into the already overflowing investment portfolios of those who needed it least.

Now, in order to pay the piper, the conservative/reformer/right wingers are cutting back on the services they themselves never use. The social safety net services that care for the needs of the people at the bottom of the monetary piramid.

I notice that the conservative/reformer/right wingers haven't introduced a progressive taxation system which would place more emphasis on the very wealthy contributing slightly more.
I notice they can still deduct martinis consumed while talking business.
1003) Message boards : Politics : Let the Olympic hangover begin (Message 987452)
Posted 8 Apr 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Yeah right....even the Canada Pavilion was built by an American construction company.
1004) Message boards : Politics : Sarah Palin (Message 987451)
Posted 8 Apr 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
You do realize that it was Coulter who cancelled the appearance, not the university.
While you acknowledge that we have hate speech laws, you seem to think it's some kind of international incident that someone reminded her of the fact.

That's all that happened. She wasn't censored. She wasn't barred from speaking.
1005) Message boards : Politics : War (Message 987344)
Posted 7 Apr 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I agree Luke
Almost every American citizen I've met has been a pleasure to get to know.
It's the damned corporate structures and a government filled with weaklings willing to do corporate dirty work (for a reward) that project such a sick image to the world.

There are so many people that buy into the idea that America can do no wrong.
The guy talking in the video saying "That's what they get for bringing their kids into a battle" when they see two children being rescued from the van.

The people on the ground didn't come to a battle. That's where they live.
What would you do if you came across a wounded man in the street?
Would you try to help as they did?

Does helping a wounded man make you a target?
1006) Message boards : Politics : War (Message 986966)
Posted 6 Apr 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Heroic my ass
I'm so damned mad after seeing this horror and hearing how cheap life is to a couple of these guys talking.

http://agonist.org/wikileaksvideo

You will see people gunned down from a very safe distance. If this is herioc warfare, I'll be dipped in dogsh##
1007) Message boards : Politics : Let the Olympic hangover begin (Message 986913)
Posted 5 Apr 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Therein lies the difference between members of a society and members of the consumer culture.

One looks after their own while the other sees no value or return on investment in caring for their own.
They never seem to think about how their parents cared for them when they were young and absolutely helpless.
1008) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Crunching up my RAC to 10 (Message 986868)
Posted 5 Apr 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Congrats for being in the bottom 1%.


Everyone has to be somewhere.
Even if we all ran a HAL 9000 on the project 24/7 someone would still be in the bottom 1%
1009) Message boards : Politics : Let the Olympic hangover begin (Message 986866)
Posted 5 Apr 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Really sucks being dependant on the Government for everything.


No doubt it would. But it beats the alternative of having no safety net at all. Where do people go and what can they do if they're unable to meet their own needs, either by being disabled in some way or because of a job loss that wasn't their choice?

A healthy, caring society takes steps to ensure people aren't allowed to fall by the wayside.
It seems that a healthy, caring society isn't in the right wing game plan.

They spent money like a sailor on leave during the Olympics and now there's nothing left.
Who ends up paying for that spending spree? The people who can afford it the least.
These cut backs in social spending don't hurt wealthy people because they never access those services.
1010) Message boards : Cafe SETI : As hard as it is to admit..... (Message 986777)
Posted 5 Apr 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
When they change the rules to allow base runners to carry their bats, I might get interested.
1011) Message boards : Politics : Let the Olympic hangover begin (Message 986689)
Posted 4 Apr 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Pieces are begining to be written about our inability to care for those most in need since the spending spree of the 2010 Olympics in Vancouver/ Whistler.

The School Board in my area is forced to close 14 schools in this district alone.
The provincial budget brings further cuts to the social safety net while the finance minister introduces a bill that shifts $4 BILLION in taxes from the business and corporate side onto the heads of private citizens. (HST = Harmonized Sales Tax)

Here's an article from today's Vancouver Sun::::

After the pricey 2010 party, the poor take it in the teeth
By Pete McMartin, Vancouver SunApril 3, 2010 This news arrived earlier in the week:

We now live in a province where the government is so cash-strapped that the trimming of its budget includes downgrading the frequency with which we clean the teeth of poor children. The tykes will now only be required to be tortured by their dentists once a year rather than twice, as was previously allowed. Out of the mouths of babes, presumably, will come fiscal prudence. And, possibly, teeth.

And this:

Where once the poor and afflicted could qualify for the province's monthly nutritional supplement program by exhibiting just one of the symptoms in a list that included malnutrition, significant weight loss or significant neurological degeneration, they must now exhibit two of the symptoms to qualify. It's a new world out there, folks. Coming down with pneumonia just doesn't cut it any more. It has to be double pneumonia.

I kid, but shouldn't. These are but two among a list of cuts the provincial government made to its income assistance programs earlier this week, and reading that list is not just sobering, it's dispiriting.

This is a diminished government rummaging behind the sofa cushions looking for chump change.

The Liberals intend to trim about $25 million from those programs over the next two years. The government argues that most of these savings will come from the elimination of overlapping services and the more efficient procurement of medical equipment and supplies. To be fair to the government, this may be the case, though it is too early to tell. Even advocates for those affected, as alarmed as they are, are largely taking a wait-and-see approach.

What was immediately alarming, however, was the reasoning behind the cuts, and what it said of our priorities. Despite the much-proclaimed economic recovery underway -- the benefits of which are uneven, if not illusory -- the number of people now getting income assistance has increased by 15 per cent over the last year, to a total of just over 177,000 people. That is huge. That is an increase that cannot be put down to an influx of "welfare bums." That is an additional $20 million in payments per month.

"The budget is very tight because of the increase in the number of people on social assistance," said Housing and Social Development Minister Rich Coleman.

"It's a reality of life that you've got to balance your services to what you can pay for."

How undeniably true that is. It is also true that on the same day that Sun reporter Jonathan Fowlie's front-page story about the income assistance cuts ran, below it, at the bottom of the page, was a column written by my colleague Miro Cernetig on how the provincial government was building a $7-million wooden apartment building in Beijing, in a nation with the largest cash reserves ever amassed, to promote B.C.'s lumber industry.

And some weeks before that, business columnist Don Cayo wrote about the fabulously generous government subsidies the fabulously well-paying film industry enjoys in B.C. Tell me: Business and industry types are always telling government to get out of their way so they can do their job. Does that job include standing on their on two feet, or do they consider the government crutches of "subsidies" and "tax credits" different from poor kids visiting the dentist all of twice a year?

I know the argument. Government is helping business create jobs. But isn't it the business of business to create jobs?

And shouldn't it be the priority of government to first help those who have lost their jobs, or help those who can't help themselves?

These aren't just questions we should ask of the government: We should ask them of ourselves. I hate to bring this up, again, but we have just finished throwing the largest and most expensive party in our province's history. It cost billions.

Most people felt it was money well spent or, at the very least, great fun. Many have since waxed poetic about the intangibles it inspired -- a new sense of patriotism, the rekindling of fun in the city, the love of sport. The idea for that party -- no lie -- started when some guy thought, "Let's throw a party," and he told another guy, and that guy told another guy, and a committee was formed, and the committee lobbied the government, and billions of dollars and years later the Olympics arrived.

It was all so extemporaneous as to pose the question: Is there anyone really in charge out there any more? Is anyone planning for the rainy days? Or have we been lurching from one eventuality to another?

And what does it say about our government, and us, that on the "balance" Rich Coleman so sternly and pragmatically philosophizes about, the care of poor children's teeth tip the scales so lightly?
1012) Message boards : Cafe SETI : I think......... (Message 986122)
Posted 2 Apr 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zhy5T0WHYE
1013) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Inanimate objects have a secret life (Message 985714)
Posted 1 Apr 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


My socks don't change size, but my pants and shirts keep getting narrower.



It's very difficult to find good quality bell bottom shirts too!
1014) Message boards : Politics : Sarah Palin (Message 984962)
Posted 28 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Are you, as a Candian, attempting to influence the internal politics of the USA? Have you registered as a foreign agent? ;)


LOL
All I need to do is incorporate myself and I can dump an unlimited amount of my billions of dollars into the American political system.

Seems kinda unfair to regular American citizens that an incorporated me could have so much influence over their lives.

Gotta go now, I have schemes to hatch.

1015) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Wanna go for a ride? (Message 984707)
Posted 28 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'm taking the wayback machine for a ride through San Francisco in 1906.
Be careful though, this is before the days of regulation so the streets can be dangerous.

There are several other trips to take once you get through this one...so sit back and enjoy the ride.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGloeX1SpAU
1016) Message boards : Politics : Sarah Palin (Message 984688)
Posted 28 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Yes indeed.
The hypocrisy of these people is enough to make me blow chunks out my ears.
1017) Message boards : Politics : Ann Coulter in Canada.......big deal (Message 984512)
Posted 27 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
While the Coulter incident at the University of Ottawa makes for great copy on the right wing talk shows, the fact that free speech is part of the Canadian Charter seems to escape mention.

Coulter was not denied the right of free speech at any time.
Coulter was not banned from appearing.

Coulter simply received an ill-conceived notice to keep the rhetoric to a minimum and to keep in mind Canada's anti-hate speech laws.

While this incident created great buzz, not much has been said about the fact that she went on to speak at other venues without being busted by the thought crime police.

Here's an article from the Globe and Mail on the subject:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/university-of-ottawa-gets-an-f-in-coulter-culture-101/article1514059/

Another:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/ann-coulter-come-back-bring-rush-limbaugh-too/article1514018/

Last one:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/the-menace-of-free-speech/article1513877/

Once again, Ann Coulter was not banned from speaking. She and her handlers found a way to create an uproar over a poorly conceived attempt to keep the event from becoming overly contentious.

The guy who wrote the letter to Coulter is not a representative of the government of Canada.
He did not censor, impinge or block her from appearing.

What he did was write a letter without thinking the thing through to what would be the ultimate outcome when trying to tone down a radical righty from the far fringes of kookiness.
1018) Message boards : Politics : Sarah Palin (Message 984288)
Posted 27 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
And our congressional delegation, God bless 'em. They do a great job for us. Representative Don Young, especially God bless him, with transportation -- Alaska did so well under the very basic provisions of the transportation act that he wrote just a couple of years ago. We had a nice bump there. We're very, very fortunate to receive the largesse that Don Young was able to put together for Alaska." --Sarah Palin, on federal pork and earmarks secured by Rep. Don Young (R-AK)
1019) Message boards : Politics : Sarah Palin (Message 984287)
Posted 27 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
"We need to come to the defense of Southeast Alaska when proposals are on the table like the bridge and not allow the spinmeisters to turn this project or any other into something that's so negative." --Sarah Palin, on the Bridge to Nowhere, interview with the Ketchikan Daily News, Oct. 2006
1020) Message boards : Politics : Sarah Palin (Message 984283)
Posted 27 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
"Oil and coal? Of course, it's a fungible commodity and they don't flag, you know, the molecules, where it's going and where it's not. But in the sense of the Congress today, they know that there are very, very hungry domestic markets that need that oil first. So, I believe that what Congress is going to do, also, is not to allow the export bans to such a degree that it's Americans that get stuck to holding the bag without the energy source that is produced here, pumped here. It's got to flow into our domestic markets first." --Sarah Palin, billed by John McCain as the nation's foremost expert on energy, clumsily answering a question while speaking off the cuff at a town hall meeting, Grand Rapids, Michigan, Sept. 17, 2008
1021) Message boards : Politics : Sarah Palin (Message 984276)
Posted 27 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
"I don't know if you're going to use the word 'terrorist' there." --Sarah Palin, asked if people who bomb abortion clinics are terrorists, NBC News interview, Oct. 23, 2008
1022) Message boards : Politics : Sarah Palin (Message 984275)
Posted 27 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Palin? A closet socialist???
Could I have been wrong about her?......naaa


"And Alaska -- we're set up, unlike other states in the union, where it's collectively Alaskans own the resources. So we share in the wealth when the development of these resources occurs. ... It's to maximize benefits for Alaskans, not an individual company, not some multinational somewhere, but for Alaskans." --Sarah Palin, explaining the windfall profits tax that she imposed on the oil industry in Alaska as a mechanism for ensuring that Alaskans "share in the wealth" generated by oil companies, New Yorker interview, Sept. 2008
1023) Message boards : Politics : Sarah Palin (Message 984271)
Posted 27 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
"It may be tempting and more comfortable to just keep your head down, plod along, and appease those who demand: 'Sit down and shut up,' but that's the worthless, easy path; that's a quitter's way out." --Sarah Palin, announcing her resignation as governor, July 3, 2009
1024) Message boards : Politics : Sarah Palin (Message 984266)
Posted 27 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
"I think on a national level your Department of Law there in the White House would look at some of the things that we've been charged with and automatically throw them out." --Sarah Palin, referring to a department that does not exist while attempting to explain why as president she wouldn't be subjected to the same ethics investigations that compelled her to resign as governor of Alaska, ABC News interview, July 7, 2009
1025) Message boards : Politics : Sarah Palin (Message 984265)
Posted 27 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
"The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil." –-Sarah Palin, in a message posted on Facebook about Obama's health care plan, Aug. 12, 2009
1026) Message boards : Politics : Sarah Palin (Message 984263)
Posted 27 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
"Who calls a shot like that? Who makes a decision like that? It's a disturbing trend." –Sarah Palin, pushing a conspiracy theory that "In God We Trust" had been moved to the edge of coins by the Obama administration (the change was made by the Bush administration in 2007 and was later reversed by Congress, before Obama took office), West Allis, Wisconsin, Nov. 6, 2009
1027) Message boards : Politics : Sarah Palin (Message 984260)
Posted 27 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
What would your response be if I asked you to remove some books from the collection?
Sarah Palin
Inquiring with Wasilla librarian Mary Ellen Emmons about banning books right after Palin took office as Mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, in 1996.
1028) Message boards : Politics : Sarah Palin (Message 984258)
Posted 27 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'm the mayor, I can do whatever I want until the courts tell me I can't.
Sarah Palin
As quoted by former City Council Member Nick Carney, after he raised objections about the $50,000 she spent renovating the mayor's office in Wasilla, Alaska, without approval of the city council.
1029) Message boards : Politics : Sarah Palin (Message 984254)
Posted 27 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I think God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that.
Sarah Palin
On $30 billion national gas pipeline project that she wanted built in Alaska, speaking to students the Wasilla Assembly of God, June 2008.
1030) Message boards : Politics : Sarah Palin (Message 984252)
Posted 27 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
As for that VP talk all the time, I'll tell you, I still can't answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day?
Sarah Palin
Her surprise at US presidential candidate John McCain choosing her as vice-presidential running mate, interview with CNBC's 'Kudlow & Co', July 31, 2008.
1031) Message boards : Politics : Sarah Palin (Message 984250)
Posted 27 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Absolutely. Yup, yup.
Sarah Palin
Asked by People magazine if she was ready to be a heartbeat away from the presidency after being chosen to run for vice-presidency, August, 2008.
1032) Message boards : Politics : Sarah Palin (Message 984248)
Posted 27 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
You'll be there to defend the innocents from the enemies who planned and carried out and rejoiced in the deaths of thousands of Americans.
Sarah Palin
Linking Iraq war to the 9/11 attacks while addressing U.S. soldiers shipping off to Iraq, Fairbanks, Alaska, September 11, 2008.
1033) Message boards : Politics : Sarah Palin (Message 984247)
Posted 27 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Let me speak specifically about a credential that I do bring to this table, Charlie, and that's with the energy independence that I've been working on for these years as the governor of this state that produces nearly 20 percent of the U.S. domestic supply of energy.
Sarah Palin
Misstating the amount of energy produced by Alaska, which is only 3.5 percent, September 11, 2008.
1034) Message boards : Politics : Sarah Palin (Message 984243)
Posted 27 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
They are also building schools for the Afghan children so that there is hope and opportunity in our neighboring country of Afghanistan.
Sarah Palin
Speaking at a fundraiser in San Francisco, October 5, 2008.
1035) Message boards : Politics : Sarah Palin (Message 984237)
Posted 27 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
LOL
Colter was asked by someone to tone down the rhetoric in her speech.
This request came from someone from the university and was not, I repeat, was not the official stand of the government of Canada.

What surprises me is they found anyone willing actually go listen to her...hmmm...must have been free tickets with complimentary coffee and doughnuts.
1036) Message boards : Politics : Sarah Palin (Message 984221)
Posted 27 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


On the other hand, I have learned that Canada lacks freedom of speech. I suspect this thread would be censored if it were on a Canadian server.


I'm free to speak. It's right here in the Charter of rights.
I know Faux makes Canada out to be some sort of near communist state, but only the simple minded would believe that.

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/charter/1.html#anchorbo-ga:l_I-gb:s_2
1037) Message boards : Politics : Sarah Palin (Message 984218)
Posted 27 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Palin is at a loss for deep thoughts
By Robyn E. Blumner, Times Columnist
In Print: Sunday, February 14, 2010


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Since Sarah Palin won't rule out running for the presidency in 2012, her performance recently at the Tea Party convention in Nashville deserves more scrutiny. Voters may have to soon evaluate her as a future leader of our nation and defender of the free world. Which makes her strikingly vapid answers to the softball questions thrown her way all the more frightening.

The last time Palin barnstormed the country as Sen. John McCain's running mate, she had a glaring lack of comprehension of national issues. But then she had a lot to learn in a short time.

By now she should be prepared, particularly since she quit her day job. But she's not. While her written remarks at the Tea Party were intelligible, her performance during the question period demonstrates that Palin has no ready command of issues and has little to offer beyond platitudinous and confused rhetoric.

Sitting in comfy armchairs she answered questions put to her by the adoring Judson Phillips, founder of Tea Party Nation.

Palin was asked: "We hear about the Obama plan. What's the Palin plan?" Her answer on her national defense plan — the entirety of it — was this: "And when it comes to national security, as I ratchet down the message on national security, it's easy to just kind of sum it up by repeating Ronald Reagan when he talked about the Cold War. And we can apply this now to our war on terrorism, you know. Bottom line, we win, they lose. We do all that we can to win."

Compare that bit of nearly indecipherable triumphalism with the answer President Barack Obama gave at a news conference Tuesday when asked about Iran's decision to further enrich uranium, which is too long to reprint verbatim.

First he spoke about efforts to negotiate with Iran and the country's rejection of the offer to convert "low-enriched uranium" into the "isotopes that they need" for medical research and hospitals. Then Obama said bluntly, "That indicates to us that, despite their posturing that their nuclear power is only for civilian use, that they in fact continue to pursue a course that would lead to weaponization."

He went on to discuss the "regime of sanctions" being developed to isolate Iran and the role China and Russia might play.

Whether you agree with Obama's approach or not, it was an articulate briefing that gave context to and specific action for a vexing national security issue.

Back to Palin, who was asked at the Tea Party for her three top things to get done if conservatives win majorities in Congress.

It was here that Palin peeked at her hand for some palm-prompter help, meaning she was probably given advance notice of the question. Even so, her answer was a garble of attack-Obama talking points and pandering to the Christian Right.

Palin: "We've got to rein in spending, obviously, and not raise it extremely high budgets and then say, Okay, we are going to freeze a couple programs here. That doesn't do us any good really. We've got to start reining in the spending."

Palin's excruciating syntax aside, she's a jejune thinker. Without notes, she could barely conjure the words to cryptically criticize Obama's budget.

Her second priority, she said, is domestic drilling and mining for fossil fuels — "oil and gas and our coal." She offered a fuller energy policy in her prepared remarks, but extemporaneously, the equivalent of "drill, baby, drill" was all she could muster.

Palin's last must-do for Congress is to allow "America's spirit to rise again." To do this, she said, we should seek "some divine intervention again in this country so that we can be safe and secure and prosperous again. To have people involved in government who aren't afraid to go that route."

Gee, is there really a dearth of religious politicians? I can't seem to find any who aren't. But I don't doubt some miracle for our nation would be needed, desperately, if Palin-like conservatives took Congress.

During the Q & A, Palin called on people to run for office who have no elective office experience and don't have "some kind of fat elite resume in their back pocket." I guess that is one way to make herself sound cogent by comparison — dissuade candidates with training, education and knowledge.

All I can say is in 2012, I "hopey" we don't "changey" to this embarrassing woman.
1038) Message boards : Politics : Sarah Palin (Message 984210)
Posted 27 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Have some tea, relax, then carry on believing that this bonehead will lead your country to greatness.

I'm unsure as to when people stopped having higher expectations of their elected representatives.
I'm going to go with my gut and say it started with the election of the second rate actor Reagan.

It's become quite clear that the dumbing down of America is reaching it's final stages.
So Dena, take all the offense you want from this thread because it's aimed at people like you who allow themselves to be lead by the nose.

Keep listening to Beck and Limbaugh.
Keep demanding a strict interpretation of the constitution.
Keep dragging America backward.

You just might win the cause and be surprised to wake up one morning to find that your right to vote has been taken away because you're a woman and the constitution doesn't speak for you as a person.
1039) Message boards : Politics : Sarah Palin (Message 984179)
Posted 27 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtcVMTZkTZQ
1040) Message boards : Politics : Sarah Palin (Message 984165)
Posted 27 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8__aXxXPVc
1041) Message boards : Politics : Sarah Palin (Message 983990)
Posted 26 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYxn2vlhtWo
1042) Message boards : Politics : Corporation to run for congress (Message 983982)
Posted 26 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
[quote]
It was the Federal reserve that started the Great Depression, Hover made some wrong moves and FDR copied Hovers moves. quote]

Economists with Master's degrees and PHD's in the field of economics have never come to any conclusions about the cause of the Great Depression in all these years, yet, some idiot on the boob tube spouts some drivel while looking into the camera using his serious face and now it's all cleared up in your mind.

STOP WATCHING FAUX NETWORK! IT WILL FURTHER ROT YOUR BRAIN!



1043) Message boards : Politics : Corporation to run for congress (Message 983978)
Posted 26 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

As for the insurance and medical people, they were in Obama's corner till he turned on them and they found out Obama was out to destroy their industry.


The day after the bill was completed, shares in that industry went up.
How does President Obama destroy an industry by mandating 40 million more insurance policies?
STOP WATCHING FAUX NETWORK! IT WILL FURTHER ROT YOUR BRAIN!





1044) Message boards : Politics : Sarah Palin (Message 983971)
Posted 26 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Great shame if that is the best that Canada can offer!!


I'm quite pleased to say she has no connection to Canada.
She was the republican vice-presidential candidate in last year's US federal election.
It speaks volumes to the state of affairs in the United States at this point in history.

She belongs to the US and they can keep her. Preferably, on a remote mountain top in Alaska.






1045) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Guilty Little Pleasures (Message 983755)
Posted 26 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Such restraint KenzieB...It would have all been in my belly before I got home from the store.
1046) Message boards : Politics : Sarah Palin (Message 983739)
Posted 26 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
This has to be the only unread bestselling book in history.
How extensive is the personal book collection of most of these people? (and I'll even allow for the magazine racks beside their toilets)

My thinking is that they are the proud owner of one book.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKKKgua7wQk
1047) Message boards : Politics : Sarah Palin (Message 983737)
Posted 26 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Since this wingnut seems to be making her way into the news again, I thought we could all have a good laugh at some of her attempts to seem normal.
How could anyone feel this lifeform has the intelligence, character and wisdom to lead any nation on Earth?

I wouldn't allow her to drive a school bus.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrzXLYA_e6E
1048) Message boards : Politics : Free Market Healthcare (Message 983608)
Posted 25 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


I figure that it would take between half a million and a million in the stock market just for a minimal existence for most of your life. If you want to add medical care it could take far more. Some people do need the jackpot payouts at levels far higher that but many people don't deserve a cent.


I suppose you'd still refer to a judgement in your favour as a "jackpot payout" if a surgeon removed your left lung when you were supposed to have a hernia repaired.

As for who deserves compensation? The courts will decide.
If someone has been damaged by another, that damaged someone has recourse through the court system.

*note to self*
Sarah Palin isn't an anomaly


1049) Message boards : Politics : Free Market Healthcare (Message 983603)
Posted 25 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Wow. Surgeons pay over $100,000 a year for malpractice insurance. If your numbers are right, that means they are making around $30,000,000 a year.


Or perhaps I'm talking about the tiny bite tort takes from the total spending in all of health care.
1050) Message boards : Politics : Corporation to run for congress (Message 983540)
Posted 25 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
HUH?
????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
I had thought you would hold the sanctity of your own democratic proccess to a higher standard.
More proof that the right doesn't give a damn about the well being of citizens or their role in a free society.
Just keep the money rolling in.
1051) Message boards : Politics : Free Market Healthcare (Message 983538)
Posted 25 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

The next step (in my opinion) should be medical malpractice tort reform. Let's hope it doesn't take another 45 years.


Did you know that this expense ranges from 1/3 of 1% up to 1.5% depending on which source is giving the information.
Naturally, I did not include anyone on Faux Network or that drug addict Limbaugh as one any the sources because they make tort costs out to be the highest cost in health care.

It isn't an issue.
1052) Message boards : Politics : Corporation to run for congress (Message 983409)
Posted 25 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Since the Supreme Court ruling, the system has been thrown wide open to allow maximun corporate participation.
Why the hell not? The citizen participation in the American system is one of the lowest in the world and if corporations wish to step in to fill the void...good luck to them.

Fortunately, the new ruling also allows for unlimited foreign campaign contributions so maybe some state owned Chinese corporation or a corporation from Dubai can back this run for office with unlimited funding.

What fun. It's a Libertarian wet dream.
1053) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Guilty Little Pleasures (Message 983140)
Posted 24 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Good quality black licorice mmmmmmmmm
1054) Message boards : Number crunching : Hosts will double in the next three years or less (Message 983134)
Posted 24 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
If we do find THE signal will we be called upon to help with the translations? That should keep us busy for some time as no one could know how they communicate.


I think that would be the time Uncle Sam steps in to take over.
Not much chance of an alien signal being left in the hands of those who've simply discovered it.

TOP SECRET-----NATIONAL SECURITY----NEED TO KNOW BASIS-----TOP SECRET
1055) Message boards : Cafe SETI : A big thank you for your service (Message 982953)
Posted 24 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thank you both for a job well done
1056) Message boards : Number crunching : Is it really over? (Message 982338)
Posted 21 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Seems that everyone has a differing expectation of what SETI is supposed to provide.
Myself, I came across SETI while poking around the internet.
I signed on after reading the blurb about donating computer time for the project.

I came in unaware that there were forums to discuss almost anything with the other members and unaware there were credits issued for work done.

I enjoy getting into a dust-up occasionally in the forums and I don't care about credits.
If the forums and the credits were removed from the system, it wouldn't matter.
I would still allow SETI to run on my machine even if down time is part of participating in this.

.
1057) Message boards : Number crunching : Development BOINC 6.10.43 released (Message 981748)
Posted 20 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'll wait for the big red warning to be taken down before I load it.
1058) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Some News . . . . NOT getting married (Message 981342)
Posted 19 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
They don't have to be divorced to do that...oops, was that my outside voice?
1059) Message boards : Politics : CPAC Keynote (Message 981338)
Posted 19 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Dena, I'm quite aware of the fact that you were never taught anything that was outside the borders of the US but here in Canada we also have two main levels of government.
The federal government and the provincial governments.

You do not want the major decision making to be made by your state or provincial governments, in spite of what republican, libertarian and teabagger doctrine tells you.

The only level of government with the resources to take on the transnational corporate powers is the federal.
That is why the republicans have been downloading responsibilities to state governments for years. The bastards are in bed with the corporate sector.

Most state's powers are no match for the transnationals.
Most states are more than willing to change the regulatory structure to allow corporations to kill and eat babies just to keep the paultry few jobs that are left after the NAFTA deal.

I think you must be quite young and that you are unaware of what life was like before that corporate criminal Reagan came to power.
Since his administration and it's concessions to the corporateers there has been a steady decline in the standard of living across North America.
The only thing keeping this system from eating itself from within is cheap slave produced merchandise from China.
Once that dries up and people suddenly realize that we make nothing in North America, therefore are unable to produce goods for sale to the rest of the world in order to sustain our economy there will be turmoil.

You think the French Revolution can't happen again? Think again.
A nation of citizens betrayed and desperately hungry will go berserk on the elites.

They have but one chance and that is to hide behind walls and gates while hoping they've paid their security guys enough to fight the approaching mobs.

Like the old song asks...Which side are you on boys?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iAIM02kv0g
1060) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Some News . . . . NOT getting married (Message 981230)
Posted 19 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
What's so wrong about being free and single?
Soon enough, you'll realize that she actually did you a favour by not going through with the wedding.

I sign off knowing there's a storm coming my way.
1061) Message boards : Politics : CPAC Keynote (Message 981159)
Posted 19 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


A few more powers are granted to the government by latter amendments, but in truth when the government takes on a task we can do for ourself, the task will be poorly done and cost us more than if we did it ourself. That is why the founders wanted to keep government out of our life.


Here's a line of thought that slipped through the cracks earlier in the discussion.

It appears that Dena wishes to perform his or her own meat inspection and water treatment.
Dena would rather have the express elevator inspected by the building owner than an expert in the employ of some government agency.
Dena will put his or her own house fire out and then track down the guy who steals the car.
Dena also feels we are all capable of signing off on the final inspection of the wiring and plumbing when we have a house built.
Hell, let's build our own roads too.

C'mon Dena. Government, when it isn't being destroyed from within by republicans, conservatives and other assorted right wing libertarian wannabe's, is the strongest protection we as citizens can have.

When government works, it works well. The problem is the right wingers have run it into the ground at full throttle to destroy the people's faith. It seems to have worked on you quite well.
1062) Message boards : Cafe SETI : I have THE fastest seti cruncher eVar (Message 981119)
Posted 19 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Open the pod bay doors Hal
1063) Message boards : Politics : CPAC Keynote (Message 981108)
Posted 19 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Once the church started allowing wealthy patrons the opportunity to buy their way into grace, the foundation for this belief that God blesses His chosen favorites with wealth had a chance to work it's way into the belief system.

I wonder if the merchant made enough money to pay off the priest?
Then I wonder what God's reaction would be when the merchant came knocking at the gate after he died.


Of course, the accumulation of wealth by supposed pious believers tells me that they may not be as much a believer as they claim.
Sort of like George Bush claiming to be a believer in the will of God, while still retaining the aid of the Secret Service to protect himself from that will...LOL

1064) Message boards : Politics : Wish I had thought of it first... (Message 981100)
Posted 19 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I found this while seeking other information relating to that well known progressive liberal socialist social agitator named Jesus Christ.

Seems the rapture doesn't really get much notice at the source.




The end of the world
There are books around which claim that Jesus in the Gospels made astonishingly detailed predictions about “the end times” which are all being fulfilled in the present day, so the end of the world is well and truly, as they say, nigh.

They could be right… but they’re not. People have played this game with Jesus’s words for 2,000 years, and they’ve always been proved wrong.

The traditional Christian understanding of what Jesus said is that he would return to earth and this would signal the end of the world. The dead would be raised, he would judge every person, and he would recreate the earth. He said even he did not know when this would take place.
1065) Message boards : Politics : CPAC Keynote (Message 981094)
Posted 19 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Holy cow (no pun intended)
This Jesus dude has lots to say on the topic.
Seems he was a real socialist progressive crazy man.

More things against the American way...

Wealth
Jesus had lots to say about wealth. He seemed to think weath is a dangerous thing – and in a society where wealth was generally seen as God’s reward to his favourites, this was controversial. Some of Jesus’ teaching…

God has a special concern for the poor – “Blessed are you who are poor, for yours is the Kingdom of God” (Luke 6:20).

Too much money does untold damage to the spiritual life – “No one can serve two masters. He will love one and hate the other. You cannot serve both God and money” (Matthew 6:24).

Those who have money have a duty to give to people in need – “Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back” (Luke 6:30).

Following Jesus may sometimes require the deliberate renunciation of wealth – “You lack one thing. Sell what you have and distribute the money to the poor” (Mark 10:21).
1066) Message boards : Politics : CPAC Keynote (Message 981090)
Posted 19 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
How's the weather in cliche world?

I went looking for some of what Christ had to say on the topic.


[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[[
A rich ruler asked what it would take to inherit eternal life, and Jesus told him that, along with keeping the commandments, he should sell his possessions and give to the poor. Only then would he have “treasure in Heaven” (see Matthew 19:21). Upon the man’s dejection at that comment, Jesus remarked, “It is hard for the rich to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.… It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for the rich to enter the Kingdom of God” (Matthew 19:23-24).

Jesus told parables that demonstrated how people’s obsession with earthly treasure prevented them from the relationship with God that would save them (see Luke 12:16-21, 16:19-31). He could find only one worthy purpose for wealth: to distribute it to the poor (see Luke 14:12-14). Apart from that, Jesus never mentions any benefit to be gained from materialism or fortune.

In Matthew 6:32-33, we are told that it is pagans who “run after” material things.
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Hmmmm
I suppose that this progressive thought should be banned at all cost.
Jesus Christ, just another damned liberal commie leftist progressive trying to undermine the American way.
1067) Message boards : Politics : CPAC Keynote (Message 980607)
Posted 18 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I find it almost beyond belief how funny it is that the teabaggers, who lay unfounded or unproven claim to their independence of thought, all start talking about the "code words" (that are supposed to be in use among the secret leftist sleeper cells) as soon as Beckboy starts mentioning it along with his discovery of secret symbols on public murals and various other sites.

When one allows another person to do the thinking for the entire group, perhaps it would be wise for one to be sure the guy doing the thinking isn't insane, a racist or just barking mad.
1068) Message boards : Politics : CPAC Keynote (Message 980569)
Posted 18 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Charity is only charity if it is given by the individual of their own free will. If it is taxed by the government and given to someone else, it is no longer charity.


I see no mention of the source of monies when charity is being defined.
It actually covers off on public monies as being charitable giving.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/charity
1069) Message boards : Politics : CPAC Keynote (Message 980567)
Posted 18 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Social justice is a political idea where all people are equals and wealth should be equalized by the government so all people have equal income and charity is not required. Again there is nothing wrong with this idea if you are socialist or communist, but it's not the american way.



Again, you are lead so far off the baseline by allowing yourself to be manipulated by the crazies.
No one ever said, besides Limbaugh, O'Reilly and Beck, that social justice means everyone will end up with equal incomes.
That is so damned stupid a statement that I can't believe I'm having to respond to it.

Social justice simply means that those with the priviledge of living as a rich person in the most stable, safe, clean and free place on Earth should pay a higher percentage of their wealth to aid in the upkeep and maintenance of that society. This includes contributing to the betterment of those without wealth.
A progressive tax system is one small piece of what social justice demands of those who have prospered while others have fallen.

How the hell does that go against the "American way"?
By the way, what is an "American way"? Does that mean anything that Beck thinks is good?
Doesn't Noam Chomsky have a right to include his thoughts on what the "American way" should be?

I'm going to go way out on a limb and state, even though I'm not American, that there are many Americans in these forums who do not agree with you.
Does that mean they are against the "American way"?
Are those in disagreement with Beck or yourself unAmerican?
1070) Message boards : Politics : CPAC Keynote (Message 980536)
Posted 18 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
That is wrong on so many levels. First the church described it's self as a "progressive" church. That means they mix the political idea of progressivism with the teaching of the church. They are not teaching the bible, instead they are teaching a political idea. That's ok in this country if that's what you want but you should understand that you are not getting religon as it appears in the bible.

Social justice is a political idea where all people are equals and wealth should be equalized by the government so all people have equal income and charity is not required. Again there is nothing wrong with this idea if you are socialist or communist, but it's not the american way.

Charity is only charity if it is given by the individual of their own free will. If it is taxed by the government and given to someone else, it is no longer charity. Jesus would not have approved of Social Justice by the government because the money was not given freely and even then money didn't always go where it should. On the other hand he did strongly approve of charity where people freely give to help others.

Social Justice is one of those terms that is a code word for more government and it's used because people don't understand what it means. It's like buying a used car that has real problems but a nice paint job. It looks like you are getting a real deal but you are overpaying.


Dena.
I see you are missing something in your interpretation of events.

Progressive is not a political concept.
It is a moral concept. Christ, whether he existed or not, is a fine historical example of a progressive.
I would challenge you to support your claim that Christ would not approve of social justice even in the form of governmental social justice. That seems just like such a bad reading of the message of Christ that even a heathen like myself can see it's wrong.

Social justice is not a code word for government, even though Faux Network says differently.
Social justice is simply a term used to describe the need for those with vast resources to help those without. period.

It doesn't have to come from government, although government is the greatest source of the people's revenues and most capable of equaly distributing those resources.
Social justice happens every time a citizen contributes to a foodbank with goods, cash or time.
It happens every time we give blood or donate to disaster relief.

I think you need to turn off the Faux Network for a while and start to receive your news and perspectives from other places in the world.
1071) Message boards : Politics : CPAC Keynote (Message 980000)
Posted 17 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Is it even possible to go over the top with the insane rhetoric coming from the right?

Every time I think they can't plumb the depths of crazy any further, another one of them steps forward spouting such ideological madness that I become certain the American people's heads will collectively explode.

The mush minds that still tune this garbage in should do themselves, and the rest of us, a great service by performing a home self-lobotomy with a keyhole saw.
1072) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Everyone welcome KenzieB to the Modlist (Message 979738)
Posted 17 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
You'll be just fine at this...I'll try not to make life difficult for you. LOL
1073) Message boards : Politics : CPAC Keynote (Message 979567)
Posted 16 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Oh that wacky Glenn Beck

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQcrM4HQQyg

1074) Message boards : Cafe SETI : This is sooooooo me. (Message 978645)
Posted 14 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
WTF?
Are you claiming that you live like that?

This will be the only time I comment in this thread...so here it is...
Mark and Lori
Open the windows and start shovelling - Don't stop until the house is empty.

1075) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What would you do when the rapture comes? (Message 978214)
Posted 13 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Enough of the funny fictional question... let's ask a real question.

What are the "believers" going to do when the rapture doesn't come?
1076) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Our Trip To Monterey (Message 976791)
Posted 8 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
groan
that joke was a bust
1077) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Our Trip To Monterey (Message 976588)
Posted 7 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I love fossil hunting on the shore. I dug a complete nautilus fossil out of some volcanic rock in the Queen Charlotte Islands.
Looks like you kids had a great time.
1078) Message boards : Politics : CPAC Keynote (Message 976256)
Posted 6 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alan-dershowitz/reactionary-activism_b_57453.html

While the republicans are the loudest voices in recent times to cry out over "judicial activism", it is worth noting that this version of the Supreme Court is heavily loaded with republican appointments and the most active in passing down their own interpretations of law.
1079) Message boards : Politics : CPAC Keynote (Message 975858)
Posted 5 Mar 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
{At age 39, Liu has compiled an impressive resume: Rhodes Scholar, Supreme Court clerk, top grades at both Stanford University and Yale Law School and now law professor University of California, Berkeley.

Liu has also aligned himself with progressive legal groups, including the American Constitution Society, where he is chairman of the board of directors.}


Republicans hate smart people
1080) Message boards : Politics : CPAC Keynote (Message 974601)
Posted 27 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:



I don't really want a lecture but if you could just describe your vision of government and it's role in the lives of the citizen.


Dena
Please help me to understand what a constitutionalist is.
What would your version of government have the power to do?
1081) Message boards : Politics : Guilty until proven innocent? (Message 974421)
Posted 27 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Qui-Gon
Doesn't the Patriot Act bypass all those rights in America?
1082) Message boards : Politics : CPAC Keynote (Message 974071)
Posted 26 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Dena
You describe yourself as a constitutionalist.
What does that mean and what is it you are looking for?

I don't really want a lecture but if you could just describe your vision of government and it's role in the lives of the citizen.

PS: Thanks for putting some spaces in your text. It's so much easier to read
1083) Message boards : Politics : Free Market Healthcare (Message 973808)
Posted 25 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Here's a link to the full article I lifted those numbers from

http://www.americanprogressaction.org/issues/2010/02/pdf/wellpoint.pdf
1084) Message boards : Politics : Free Market Healthcare (Message 973806)
Posted 25 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
My question to all the American SETI@Home folks...
How's the Free Market Healthcare working out for you?

Here's some interesting reading on health insurance rate increases coming down on you or your employer.

California: Average rates are expected to increase 25 percent in 2010,
with increases as high as 39 percent for some policyholders.
Colorado: Average rates are expected to increase 19.9 percent in 2010,
with increases of up to 24.5 percent for some policyholders.
Connecticut: State regulators approved an up to 20 percent increase for
certain policyholders in 2009 after WellPoint’s subsidiary requested rate
hikes from 22 percent to 32 percent.
Georgia: Average rate increases were 21 percent in 2009. Georgia Insurance
Commissioner John Oxendine said the same percentage increase is
expected for 2010.
Indiana: Rates are expected to increase 21 percent in 2010.
Kentucky: Rates for individual policyholders with Anthem’s PPF/FFS plan
increased 3 percent in July 2009.6
Maine: Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield requested a 23 percent
increase for 2010 after five straight years of double-digit increases for
individual policyholders. Anthem is suing the Maine Insurance Commissioner
for rejecting its request last year for an 18.5 percent rate hike and
allowing a 10.9 percent increase.
Missouri: No data available. WellPoint did not respond to CAP Action
requests for data.
Nevada: The Nevada Division of Insurance approved roughly a 13 percent
overall rate increase for Anthem Blue Cross and Blue Shield in 2009.7
New Hampshire: Average rates are expected to increase between 12
percent and 13 percent. There was a 17 percent increase in 2009 for small
business premiums.
New York: Rates are expected to increase 13.2 percent to 17.2 percent,
depending on the health plan.
Ohio: Average individual rates are expected to decline 40 percent in 2010
due to a new state law that went into effect in 2010.
Virginia: Rates are expected to increase 7 percent to 15 percent.8
Wisconsin: Certain individual health plan rates are expected to increase
17.2 percent.9
Recent premium changes in the individual market from WellPoint Inc. subsidiaries by state

Universal Single Payer sure starts to sound even more appealing after this.

1085) Message boards : Politics : Wish I had thought of it first... (Message 973659)
Posted 25 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I grabbed this from the wikipedia link....

Some notable rapture predictions include the following:

1792 - Shakers calculated this date.[citation needed]
1844 - William Miller predicted Christ would return between March 21, 1843 and March 21, 1844, then revised his prediction, claiming to have miscalculated Scripture, to October 22, 1844. The result of their being no second coming was refered to as the Great Disappointment. Miller's theology gave rise to the Advent movement.
1977 - William M. Branham predicted in 1962 that the Rapture could take place by 1977[citation needed]
1981 - Chuck Smith predicted that Jesus would probably return by 1981.[44]
1988 - Publication of 88 Reasons why the Rapture is in 1988, by Edgar C. Whisenant.
1989 - Publication of The final shout: Rapture report 1989, by Edgar Whisenant. More predictions by this author appeared for 1992, 1995, and other years.
1992 - Korean group "Mission for the Coming Days" predicted October 28, 1992 as the date for the rapture.[45]
1993 - Seven years before the year 2000. The rapture would have to start to allow for seven years of the Tribulation before the Return in 2000. Multiple predictions.
1994 - Pastor John Hinkle of Christ Church in Los Angeles predicted June 9, 1994. Radio evangelist Harold Camping predicted September 27, 1994.[46]
2011 - Harold Camping's revised prediction has May 21, 2011 as the date of the rapture.[47]
2060 - Sir Isaac Newton proposed, based upon his calculations using figures from the book of Daniel, that the Apocalypse could happen no earlier than 2060.[48][49]


C'mon people! Better gits ta believin' right quick like cuz thar's only two dates left on the list!
1086) Message boards : Politics : CPAC Keynote (Message 973477)
Posted 23 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The Beckheads and Dittoheads are continually told by their manchild leaders that the Democrats, the left, liberals or progressives (progressive is the new swear word of the right) are the spenders of the people's money, while the republicans and others from the far right are the great stewards of the people's money.

They repeat this like some looney mantra until it becomes the truth in their closed circuit heads...dispite the facts...which just get in the way of their ideology.

Here are the facts Dena
Please take note of the Carter years that you seem to have suffered through with it's reckless spending.
I guess a good Beckhead will never let the facts get in the way of a good revisionist version of history.

1087) Message boards : Politics : Wish I had thought of it first... (Message 973476)
Posted 23 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
So this invisible man in the sky has had the rapture all planned out since the begining but forgot to see to the well being of the believer's goldfish?

Sounds more semi than omnipotent...LOL


1088) Message boards : Politics : CPAC Keynote (Message 973439)
Posted 23 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Faux seems to be lacking in journalistic morality and seperation from the subject being reported on.
In fact, Faux seems to be directing events rather than reporting on them.

http://mediamatters.org/research/201002210009

Here's an interesting little tidbit...
http://thinkprogress.org/2010/02/10/right-rebels-foxnews/

WOW! WHAT A GREAT SCAM
1089) Message boards : Politics : CPAC Keynote (Message 973248)
Posted 22 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Dena, please note the spacing in most people's posts.

It makes it much easier to read than a solid wall of text.
1090) Message boards : Politics : CPAC Keynote (Message 973247)
Posted 22 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Dena
While you seem quite concerned that some of us don't spend the time to get to know your boy Glenn Beck, and therefore start down the path to enlightenment, but what you have failed to do is actually double check the stuff he says.

Most of the things you've listed as reasons for being one of those simplistic teabag people are right off Beck's program.

If you are worried about government spending and national debt, why are you still voting right wingers into office? Since shortly after WWII the republicans have been the party of big spending and large debt.

The only reason there has been no complaints from the corporatists and the elites about this is due to the fact that the powerful are the recipients of this spending.

The left may have the reputation of being the big spenders but if you look at the numbers you'll find that it's just another right wing lie.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_by_U.S._presidential_terms

I don't know what you were doing during the Carter administration, but paying attention wasn't part of it.
1091) Message boards : Politics : CPAC Keynote (Message 973019)
Posted 22 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Dena, I'm not going to argue with you over this. I'm just going to sit back and watch the right wing devour itself. Enjoy the Kool-aid.
1092) Message boards : Politics : CPAC Keynote (Message 972906)
Posted 21 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I don't watch Glenn Beck, but I hear his commentary sometimes through various sources.
I'm of the opinion that the guy is a right wing wingnut and brings nothing constructive to the table.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFWOLSIhYMg

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0110/31882.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsYuT_c77GI&feature=related
1093) Message boards : Cafe SETI : 12/21/2012 (Message 972861)
Posted 21 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Now that's a Bug. So I kinda doubt insects would dominate,


80 million years ago, a tiny mousey shrew-like mammal scurried about the undergrowth while dinosaurs dominated the world.
Who would every have thought this creature would carry the genes that would lead to a large brained (some would question) biped that would one day become self aware?
1094) Message boards : Cafe SETI : 12/21/2012 (Message 972631)
Posted 21 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The world survived the impact that created our moon.
Earth has survived a multitude of cosmic collisions and life has endured.

I really don't think the old girl would miss being covered with humans, if it comes to that, as much as some of us may think.

Life will find a way to endure on Earth right up to the moment our sun dies.

Bottom line, enjoy your time while it lasts, because every species has a go at it and then oblivion.
Personally, I don't think we'll last as long as the dinosaurs did.

Perhaps the insects will fair better when their time comes to rule the top of the food chain.
1095) Message boards : Cafe SETI : 12/21/2012 (Message 972412)
Posted 20 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1loyjm4SOa0&feature=fvw
1096) Message boards : Cafe SETI : 12/21/2012 (Message 972081)
Posted 20 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

And Angela, I do openly covet you.
Eric is one lucky gentleman. And you can tell him I said that.

My Lord will forgive me that little sin.




You just broken one of the 10 "Thou Shalt Not..." rules of your own religion.
How is it that you would impose these beliefs on everyone while refusing to follow and obey them yourself?

I think the state and the church should be kept widely seperated.
1097) Message boards : Politics : Anyone watch Tiger Woods speech? (Message 971943)
Posted 20 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I turned on the television to check the weather forcast and discovered this guy on every network. WTF?

I guess there's no need to speak about the state of American news or culture.
Even less need to speak of the cult of celebrity.
1098) Message boards : Number crunching : Eric Are you out there or anyone from Seti? (Message 971917)
Posted 19 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
'The comfort of the rich rests upon the abundance of the poor,"

And without the other, both shall perish.


Hails of derisive laughter.
Humans existed long before the concept of money.

1099) Message boards : Cafe SETI : 12/21/2012 (Message 971916)
Posted 19 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Make fun of me, if you must.


I'm not making fun of you Mark.
I'm just pointing out that you've based your vision of your own country on a falsehood.

The revisionists would have everyone believe that America was founded as a Christian nation. It isn't true.
Would you carry on believing something that's proven to be a lie?

Is that something you wish as the foundation of your belief system?
A lie makes for a flimsy foundation.





1100) Message boards : Cafe SETI : 12/21/2012 (Message 971893)
Posted 19 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


IE.......the arguments about posting the 'ten commandments' in our public courts should be admired, note admonished.

Some in this country have longgggggggggggg ago lost their grasp of where we started.



Mark, I realize that this doesn't fall into your vision of what the United States of America started out to be, but the facts are very clear that it was not founded as a Christian nation.
The words "under God" were only added to your pledge in the 1950's.

http://skeptically.org/thinkersonreligion/id9.html
1101) Message boards : Number crunching : Eric Are you out there or anyone from Seti? (Message 971885)
Posted 19 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Patience and trust.
My 'puter runs 24hrs for the SETI@Home project.
If the system goes down and I run out of work, I just shut down for the night.

I know they'll get it up and running as soon as they can because they need the work to get done.
Patience and trust.
1102) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Social Experiment: What do you think about Sending messages into space? (Message 971025)
Posted 18 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
ET doesn't give a damn about the corporate invention called Valentine's Day.

Mods, are there any rules about some lame sales pitch for a stupid idea within the forums?
I resent the use of the forums for commercial purposes.
1103) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Social Experiment: What do you think about Sending messages into space? (Message 970813)
Posted 16 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I think that every time I speak on the radio at work the same thing is happening.
1104) Message boards : Cafe SETI : TLPTPW #108 - Closer and closer... (Message 970664)
Posted 15 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Valentine's Day went great. Mrs. Leftist bought her own present and we invited my newly single (again) brother over for dinner.
I've been relaxing with a beer or two while playing Jewel Blitz.
Now it is time to sleep
G'night all
1105) Message boards : Politics : Escaping Plato's Cave (Message 970578)
Posted 14 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thanks for that Phil. My wife isn't pleased because I'm supposed to be installing the new dishwasher right now. I opened the link expecting something that would be about 5 minutes in duration. LOL

This link will be quite an eye opener to those who will actually open their eyes.
Kissinger is the product of US corporate imperialism. He is the lesson everyone should be aware of when they allow themselves to blindly serve power.

Every aspect of life brings us into contact with people like Kissinger. These are people so convinced they are right that they will use lies and deceit to make their case.
Never once thinking that perhaps, by having to use lies, they may not be correct.
1106) Message boards : Cafe SETI : 2010 Winter Olympics (Message 970358)
Posted 13 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The question remains, why are they located beside the track at the bottom of a curve? If they are holding up a snow roof, move the posts further from the track.
Give the kid a chance to tumble through some loose snow to absorb some momentum.
1107) Message boards : Politics : Looks as though the NO SPANKING experiment a bust... (Message 970355)
Posted 13 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'm interested to know which books you have ordered Dena.
1108) Message boards : Politics : Ok.......here's a simple question. (Message 970351)
Posted 13 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thank you
1109) Message boards : Cafe SETI : 2010 Winter Olympics (Message 970349)
Posted 13 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


From coverage this morning Ive seen so far they state that this and other poles along this section are in place to hold sunroofs over the track to prevent the sun from melting the track.


If that's all those posts do, then 3 inch flexible plastic tubing with a plastic tarp would suffice.

1110) Message boards : Politics : Ok.......here's a simple question. (Message 970345)
Posted 13 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
My vote is obviously yes.
I've been a pro athlete, a trucker, construction worker and heavy equipment operator.
I can curse with the best.

I believe we all come here to exchange ideas on a level that expresses some degree of thought and respect.
The use of the F bombs indicates disregard for the rules of decorum and a disregard for the sensitivities of others.
1111) Message boards : Politics : George Carlin worship thread......... (Message 970170)
Posted 13 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
It's not Carlin. He knew how to communicate quite intelligently.
1112) Message boards : Cafe SETI : 2010 Winter Olympics (Message 970154)
Posted 13 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Earlier this week there was a report on CBC Radio that Canada wasn't allowing other nations access to any of the runs prior to IOC regulations.
Seems the powers that be wanted the Canadian teams to have an edge in familiarity with the courses.

At the time I thought it was bad form on our part, now I'm wondering if someone is guilty of reckless endangerment.
1113) Message boards : Cafe SETI : 2010 Winter Olympics (Message 970129)
Posted 13 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Why are there metal posts beside the track below a corner??????
Why would there be posts of any kind near the track at all?

My condolences to this young man's family and friends.
I'm simply heartsick about this.

1114) Message boards : Cafe SETI : 2010 Winter Olympics (Message 969539)
Posted 10 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Sure there were some construction jobs for a couple of years before the games. Afterward, what is there by way of employment at the sites?

I'm having a very difficult time understanding how the citizens of BC are going to see a profit on this 4 to 6 billion dollar expenditure.

If everything were rosey in this province, I wouldn't be complaining about these games going on.
It saddens me to know that schools, hospitals and government workers are going to be squeezed when all is said and done.

Everybody seems to be ok with the situation. I really hope I'm wrong about my gut feeling over this.

1115) Message boards : Cafe SETI : 2010 Winter Olympics (Message 969513)
Posted 10 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


But my point, that there is little if any connection between mill closing and the Olympics, remains valid.


I wasn't trying to make any connection between mill closures and the Olympics.
I was trying to point out that 4 to 6 billion dollars is being spent on a two week Mardi Gras while the pantry is empty for social needs.

My position on the Olympics isn't disingenuous. It's exactly the way I feel.
People are losing jobs around the province with the unemployment rate in PG being over 14% according to the last numbers in the Prince George Citizen paper the other day.

My point is the money should have been spent on long term fixes for the economy of BC instead of this event of short duration and dubious return at best.

Again, I make no direct link between the cuts to social needs and the 4 to 6 billion dollars spent on the Olympics. This right wing government was going to cut social needs because they underfunded the costs by cutting taxes.
The full extent of the social cuts will be greater than most people would have predicted due to Olympic spending.
1116) Message boards : Politics : Why don't car thieves do time? (Message 969172)
Posted 8 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Suggested out of pure frustration at the lack of alternatives suggested by you and your fellow Americans.

Loading up the prison system really isn't an alternative. It's a make work project for the private sector in America.
1117) Message boards : Cafe SETI : 2010 Winter Olympics (Message 969082)
Posted 7 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I guess I'm getting tired of the same old dance.
Right wing, corporate friendly governments get elected and their first piece of legislation is tax cuts. The financial base is reduced right away.

Wait a year or two and suddenly the new provincial budget can't cover all the social needs so cuts must be made.

I hate the fact that these predictable cuts do not include reductions to spending on the pet projects like the games.
If we're going to go into debt over something, I prefer it be over issues that add to and improve our society.

Education is for a lifetime.
Health care improves that life.
The games will come and go and the fact we end up with a luge track doesn't put food in the belly of a hungry kid or help that kid elevate themselves out of poverty.

1118) Message boards : Politics : Why don't car thieves do time? (Message 969077)
Posted 7 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
If the law changes will you guys all let me know when you get a speeding or parking ticket?
I'd like to come down to witness the public flogging in the town square.
1119) Message boards : Cafe SETI : How's your weather 2 (Message 969070)
Posted 7 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Prince George, BC

Today's Conditions
Observed on: February 07 2010 at 12:00 PM PST, Prince George

Current

Cloudy
High: 1 °C
Low: -8 °C
POP: 10 %
Evening

Cloudy
Low: -8 °C
POP: 10 %

Pressure: 102.0 KPa
Humidity: 93 %
Wind: 19 Km/h S
Wind Chill: -6 C
UV: Low
Sunrise: 07:46 PST
Sunset: 17:03 PST

Dang this has been a warm winter. I had to shave off my winter beard.


1120) Message boards : Cafe SETI : 2010 Winter Olympics (Message 969068)
Posted 7 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Hey KenzieB. Are you all set for Super Sunday? Have a good one.

Now for the part where we're going to disagree.
The billions of dollars spent for a two week party would have been better spent investing in long term goals with social needs in mind.
Education, health care and maintaining the commons are much more important to the long term needs of society than a 2 week athletic Mardi Gras.

I disagree with your belief that Olympics games are money makers. I see them as sink holes created as another way to transfer public monies to private hands.

The rest of the province hasn't realized the gains that were promised as dreams of Olympics Games were being woven.
I know how busy the Lower Mainland seems with construction going on everywhere you look. Everyone seems so busy and gainfully employed.
That isn't the case beyond Hope.
Mills are still closing. Companies are being boarded up. Downtown areas are run down and hollowing out.
We've got an unemployment rate that's over 12% in PG.
Of course, that's the government number and most people agree that the reality is always higher.

I would have prefered to see the investment in our own needs over the glitz.
The Olympics, to me, are nothing more than the same distractions used by the Romans when they kept the people entertained with bread and circus.
1121) Message boards : Cafe SETI : 2010 Winter Olympics (Message 969018)
Posted 7 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Here we are, just about at the start of the 2010 Winter Olympics to be held in Vancouver BC.

No expense has been spared to make this event bigger and better than ever.
Well, I shouldn't say "no expense" because there have been major cutbacks in education, health care, infrastructure not related to Olympic venues and of course, social services.

I don't know the number of school closures we will have throughout the province of British Columbia, but in School District 57 which is the area I live in, there are 14 schools slated for closure due to funding issues.

For the past six months I've quietly been wishing for very warm weather and two solid weeks of hard rain in the areas where Olympic events are scheduled.
Seems my wishes are having some degree of affect.

The government has resorted to trucking snow in from hundreds of miles away because there's not enough snow on site to hold the events.

RAIN BABY RAIN
1122) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Cat'es Seti (Message 969014)
Posted 7 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Ya know.....I just loved the world before it became so politically correct.



Ahhh the good old days, when a white man could say what was on his mind without regard for who was hurt, offended or damaged by it.
The good old days where a white guy could sit, surrounded by his own kind, at the front of the bus.
The good old days when the white man was the only voice and opinion heard in society.

The only people who use the term "politically correct" are the ones that are on the issuing end, not the receiving end of whatever is being stated in a hurtful and damaging way.

Everyone else just calls it a more respectful environment.
1123) Message boards : Politics : Why don't car thieves do time? (Message 967998)
Posted 4 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
To hell with it. I'm convinced.
We need public floggings and hangings...there's no other way.
1124) Message boards : Politics : Why don't car thieves do time? (Message 967799)
Posted 3 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
How about a national goal of full employment?
People with a future tend to not want to ruin that future by committing crimes.

People who commit crimes do it because it pays better or because it requires little effort. On the other hand, many times people steal to support a drug habit. It's possible if drugs could be obtained at a lower cost by addicts they wouldn't need crime to pay for their habit.
One problem we have in California is our prisons have a large number of people being held for drug charges. If they weren't trying to sell drugs they may get better treatment if they were not in jail.


Dena, you asked a question and I gave just one of many possible answers but you went off on some unrelated angle here.

Wouldn't you agree that people with hope for the future would be less inclined toward criminal activities?
1125) Message boards : Politics : Why don't car thieves do time? (Message 967783)
Posted 3 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
How about a national goal of full employment?
People with a future tend to not want to ruin that future by committing crimes.
1126) Message boards : Politics : Why don't car thieves do time? (Message 967743)
Posted 3 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Americans sure love the prison system. Maybe there's another way.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_pri_per_cap-crime-prisoners-per-capita
1127) Message boards : Cafe SETI : How's your weather 2 (Message 967657)
Posted 2 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Prince George, BC

Today's Conditions
Observed on: February 01 2010 at 10:00 PM PST, Prince George

Current

Mist
High: -2 °C
Low: -5 °C
POP: 30 %
Evening

Cloudy
Low: -5 °C
POP: 10 %

Pressure: 101.5 KPa
Humidity: 100 %
Wind: 6 Km/h W
UV: Low
Sunrise: 07:55 PST
Sunset: 16:53 PST






1128) Message boards : Cafe SETI : How's your weather? (Message 967656)
Posted 2 Feb 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Post #400 is the one that says it's time to start another weather thread.
Please lock this up mods while I start another.
1129) Message boards : Cafe SETI : How's your weather? (Message 967359)
Posted 31 Jan 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
We've had a very warm winter to this point, probably the warmest in my memory.
I guess that's why I haven't even thought to post in here. It just doesn't seem like weather when it isn't cold and snowing.

It's -6 C with high clouds and very very light snow.
1130) Message boards : Politics : Escaping Plato's Cave (Message 967220)
Posted 31 Jan 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I've just started reading the book Escaping Plato's Cave, How America's Blindness To The Rest Of The World Threatens Our Survival...the author is Mort Rosenblum.

Chapter 3 is entitled Why Do "They" Hate Us?

In this chapter, Rosenblum takes a paragraph to mention the speech given by Harold Pinter in acceptance of his 2005 Nobel Prize.

Having no memory of Pinter, I looked the speech up and discovered this...

Part 1...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHAMjeGf3MI

Part 2...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlkKuw-sCFY&feature=related

Part 3...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKb9e8XgPSg&feature=related

Part 4...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rMi5NDde0s&feature=related
1131) Message boards : Politics : Obama to kill Ares program (Message 966776)
Posted 30 Jan 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I've had those lyrics tacked up on my locker door at work for two years.
Just under the Three Stooges picture.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd3YIwxk--0
1132) Message boards : Politics : Obama to kill Ares program (Message 966340)
Posted 28 Jan 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I gave up on him when it became clear to me that there was no way universal single payer health care was going to be brought to the citizens of the US.

Obama is not a socialist, nor is he even a left leaning politician.
He's just another corporatist that came to power with the promise of change.

Personally, my choice for president was Nader but I'm not an American voter.
1133) Message boards : Cafe SETI : MY reality....... (Message 966104)
Posted 27 Jan 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
He still puts on the best live show in the business. IMHO
1134) Message boards : Cafe SETI : MY reality....... (Message 966068)
Posted 27 Jan 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Dag nabit...I can't keep up with what you whippersnappers are listening to these days.
But I did notice that 292 people viewed yours since April and 19,460 viewed Alice since March.
I think Alice still cuts it. ;p
1135) Message boards : Cafe SETI : MY reality....... (Message 966032)
Posted 26 Jan 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVPFpvQWbKU&feature=fvw
1136) Message boards : Cafe SETI : I have a hard choice... (Message 966029)
Posted 26 Jan 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Those at work who've suffered through this for long periods of time wonder why they didn't have the surgery earlier. It worked for them.
1137) Message boards : Number crunching : Computer in the garage (Message 966022)
Posted 26 Jan 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

My Computer room gets all the sun, my Garage stays cool in the summer. I am converting it and adding a bathroom and it will be all mine and my computers....


AHA!
I've discovered your true identity. You're Al Bundy!
1138) Message boards : Politics : A win for corporatism in America (Message 965522)
Posted 23 Jan 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I keep wondering how much of this crap the American population will put up with.

The only answer so far is they will take it endlessly.
1139) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What does your work area look like? (Message 965329)
Posted 22 Jan 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


My friend and I, hard at work on our BOINC projects.


KenzieB
Don't try to fool us. Those women are wearing sensible shoes.
1140) Message boards : Politics : Getting rid of politicians (Message 965255)
Posted 22 Jan 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Who was it that said "Government is the shadow cast by business over society."?

Chomsky warns against getting angry at the shadow instead of angry at the substance.
Remember that government is the entity you have the most chance of influencing.
Corporations are not accountable to you as a citizen.
1141) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy birthday MSattler! (Message 964774)
Posted 20 Jan 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Happy Birthday from me too (for yesterday).

Post # 666 !!

on the way too !


LOL
I was scrolling through the thread and when I came to this, I thought "WOW, does this Keith T. guy look like Arthur C. Clarke.

It took a few seconds to see the caption beside it.
1142) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy birthday MSattler! (Message 964539)
Posted 19 Jan 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Happy Birthday old timer
1143) Message boards : Cafe SETI : MY reality....... (Message 964397)
Posted 18 Jan 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

And which is an illusion?


That's a strange comment to make in a thread entitled "MY reality....."

But I am hoping that you may have been given cause to ponder some of your positions regarding people seeking a better life and some freedom.

1144) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Martin Luther King, Jr. (Message 964395)
Posted 18 Jan 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
One man can change the world. Think what we could accomplish if we worked together.
1145) Message boards : Politics : Getting rid of politicians (Message 964394)
Posted 18 Jan 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

It is the function of Government to line the pockets of the individuals in government. Has been so for all time. Will be for all time to come.


I'll give you a point for getting close to the truth.

The actual function of government, as clearly displayed with exceptions such as during the New Deal, WWII and the growth of the union movement during the late 40's and early 50's, is to line the pockets of industry and the already wealthy.

Government has been usurped to protect the wants of those who do not need protection, instead of protecting the needs of those who do.

The vast majority of money spent on these stupid wars in the Middle East has gone to private interests.
The vast majority of money spent in the bail-outs has gone to private hands.

By owning individual members of congress, the senate and the executive, corporate interests and powerful elites have designed a system which transfers public funds to private hands with little or no notice by the public.


1146) Message boards : Cafe SETI : MY reality....... (Message 964086)
Posted 17 Jan 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Like I said........
Any body don't wannn get killed best move on out the back.
No apologize for errent shots.
You are a target if you are standing.
Best chance is to run.......now.


Can't handle it? Not my problem.
I was born of German parents who tried to outrun the Nazis............
You can't give me much shit about that............


Anyone else notice the irony here?


I completely missed that one.

The child of oppressed and hunted parents becomes the oppressor and hunter.
1147) Message boards : Cafe SETI : The Mel Brooks tribute.... (Message 962474)
Posted 10 Jan 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Well then, let's get back on track...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4TAtRCJIqnk
1148) Message boards : Cafe SETI : The Mel Brooks tribute.... (Message 962241)
Posted 9 Jan 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I should add that I try to maintain that civil standard but once in a while I fall off the track too.
1149) Message boards : Cafe SETI : The Mel Brooks tribute.... (Message 962239)
Posted 9 Jan 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Hell no.
I say what I think too.
But I try to do it in a manner which doesn't belittle the other person for thinking differently.
Once you've taken the stand that people who disagree with your view are (insert insults here) it makes it impossible for one to ever change their opinion.

I try to stay open minded on issues while presenting my views and as more information comes forth I find that my stands are valid or I find myself moving a bit from that position. Social and political views are fluid and are subject to modification by the individual based on further experiences and information.

I like to think that people can have respect for me as someone who has thought the issue through and come to an semi-intelligent conclusion.
The respect shouldn't be based on agreement but on the effort made to reach the position.
1150) Message boards : Cafe SETI : The Mel Brooks tribute.... (Message 962234)
Posted 9 Jan 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
You really seem like a decent man when you aren't raving Mark.

I don't need to lay into you. What I need is for you to show that you are trying to control the anger as hard as some of us are trying to understand the cause of it.

For myself, most of your political and social views are so far to the right that we'll never agree.
No problem. That's what civil discourse is for.
We don't have to agree and we're free to have our opposite opinions.

Please try to not insult those who do not agree with you.

1151) Message boards : Cafe SETI : The Mel Brooks tribute.... (Message 962192)
Posted 9 Jan 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
My reference was to msattler's side of the border.
More specifically, the side of the border found inside his head.

But, he has gone and gotten himself booted again. I was hoping to call him to task over his insult filled ravings.
A lot of people get what Brooks was saying Mark. That's why he's considered such a comic genius.
No need to lay the insults on us.
1152) Message boards : Cafe SETI : The Mel Brooks tribute.... (Message 962186)
Posted 9 Jan 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:




Some less-than-brilliant folks couldn’t grasp that Brooks was pointing out the idiot-level of intelligence demonstrated by most racists.


Perhaps a new production entitled "Springtime at the Mexican Border" would be in order.
Naaa...that would be too deep for those who lay claim to "getting it".
1153) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Congratulations to Team US (Message 961235)
Posted 6 Jan 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I can't get excited about the winter olympics here in BC.
Too many social programs, healthcare and educational needs have been sacrificed here in British Columbia so a few wanker politicians and their wealthy friends can have a holiday at Whistler.
1154) Message boards : Cafe SETI : How's your weather? (Message 961232)
Posted 6 Jan 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Just home from the all night shift
-28 C under clear skies

Time to sleep
1155) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Congratulations to Team US (Message 961104)
Posted 6 Jan 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The World Junior Hockey Tournament just ended in Saskatoon, Saskatchewan.
The kids from Canada faced the kids from the United States in a match-up that showed everyone what great players we produce in North America.

Team US won 6-5 in sudden death overtime.

There will be some tears in our beers across Canada tonight.
1156) Message boards : Cafe SETI : How's your weather? (Message 960502)
Posted 3 Jan 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Very mild today...about - 9 C
There's about 4 to 6 inches of new snow on top of the Jeep
1157) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What's your favourite television series? (Message 960500)
Posted 3 Jan 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Now this will tell You roughly how old I am, Born 1960.

Just a puppy
1158) Message boards : Politics : REVISITING: Teenager shot-Trial result in deliberation now (Message 960290)
Posted 2 Jan 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Sits quite fine with me.......
If we cannot bear arms and protect ourselves, the government certainly is not gonna do it for us.

Too many are too willing to sit by and let s**t happen......hoping that it won't happen to them.

Wake up.......

The news is littered with stories about thugs that have escaped our legal system.....only to go back to their ways and harm innocents again.

They should have been taken out of the gene pool with a .45 the first time.


Mark
You seem to be one of those people "hoping that it won't happen to them."

In your quest to promote some sort of "wild west" law enforcement model, you may become a victim rather than one of those saved by it.

You've stated that in the past you've carried a handgun in your left boot for years (unlawfully I'm sure) and that you are looking for another.
You've stated that you'll seek another weapon legally but you have so many other sources.
You endure wild mood swings (forcing the rest of us to endure them along with you) that you say result from your manic depressiveness.
You also binge drink to the point of delirium.

Add the fact that you openly express the desire to start shooting at illegals and I think you may find there are others who might want to remove you from the gene pool before you can act on these fantasies.
1159) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy New Year 2010 ! (Message 960104)
Posted 2 Jan 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
2010 and as yet still no flying cars. What's up with that?
1160) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What's your favourite television series? (Message 960103)
Posted 2 Jan 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I could live happily with a Star Trek channel and a Corner Gas channel.
1161) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Excited about Avatar? Or meh? (Message 960101)
Posted 2 Jan 2010 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I just came home from seeing this movie...WOW
1162) Message boards : Cafe SETI : . . . To All of You here @ the SETI Cafe - Happy 2010 (Message 958707)
Posted 25 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
This is a strange Christmas morning around here.
I've been awake for over two hours and still no sign of the kids. It's 7:40 am Pacific time.

I suppose the magic of Christmas isn't as strong as the magic of youthful sleep.

I think it's time to stop trying to be quiet down here in the rec room and go upstairs to make some noise, just enough to rouse some attention.

Merry Christmas everyone
Have a peaceful day
1163) Message boards : Politics : The Day The World Failed (Message 958617)
Posted 25 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I drive to the mocha shop to get my morning mocha. Up to3 weeks ago it was 1 minute each way.


That's like driving to visit the neighbor at the end of the block. Why would you drive such a short distance in the first place?

On the main point of global warming.
We have two choices, whether the science is right or wrong.

If the science is wrong and we still take action, the world will be a cleaner, healthier place to raise or children.
If we do not take action, the world continues to deteriorate under a cloud of effluents.

If the science is correct and we take action, a catastrophe may be avoided and humanity carries on along another path that is less wasteful and destructive.
If we do not take action, untold millions will suffer and die in wars over resources such as water and food. Vast areas will be flooded causing the forced migration of populations. Even the possibility of extinction exists with a catastrophic change in our climate.

To do nothing leads to a negative outcome in each case.
To do something leads to a cleaner world at the minimum and to the salvation of our species from extinction if the worst case scenerios are true.
1164) Message boards : Politics : How about Forced Medical Insurance? (Message 958439)
Posted 24 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I believe you are under the mistaken assumption that the health care plan being passed by the US Senate tomorrow is a single payer plan. It isn't. I believe rebest knows this.


Make no mistake,I'm aware of the piece of crap this bill has become and I am pissed at your congress, senate, corporate lobbyists and your president over this sell-out to the insurers.
I just read your response as some sort of put down to those wanting coverage.
If I'm wrong, I apologize.
1165) Message boards : Politics : How about Forced Medical Insurance? (Message 958381)
Posted 24 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Freedom comes at a cost, which is capitalism. We have two extremes in government Socialism and Capitalism.


My sister and her family may face bankruptcy if one of them gets sick because she lost her job and health insurance. Is this what you call freedom?

I call it heard mentality, or should that be lemmings over a cliff?


I'm not sure what Gary is trying to say about your very legitimate question rebest.
What do American citizens do when they have lost their job and their healthcare package?
I suppose they will have to pay the $200,000 hospital bill by dipping into their spare change.

Under the Universal Single Payer plan, such as we have in Canada, there would be no loss of coverage when a job is lost. No one will lose their home due to a bankruptcy caused by medical expenses in this country. NO ONE.

That isn't a herd mentality. It's a civil society that takes care of it's citizens when they need help the most.
1166) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Merry Xmas All! (Message 958362)
Posted 24 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Jingle Bells to all SETI@Homers
1167) Message boards : Cafe SETI : How's your weather? (Message 958276)
Posted 23 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
- 25C and calling for more snow this afternoon
1168) Message boards : Politics : Some Animals executed four cops in my Town. (Message 958180)
Posted 23 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

But if you want to talk about people acting out the urge to kill the SOB you have to divide by (people) population. And when you do you find out that people in the USA, despite all the guns, don't kill anywhere near as often as many other countries.


Please, let Gary be proud that his country is better than this select group when it comes to murder.

Swaziland[17] 90.77 88.48
Colombia[18][19] 70.0 79.0 78.0 76.0 71.0 66.0 67.8 63.3 56.6 58.6
South Africa[20] 69.5 67.5 63.9 59.6 59.0 55.3
Albania[21] 6.46 7.55 46.39
Honduras[22][23] 35 43 43 41
El Salvador[24] 36.2
Jamaica[11] 23 23 26 26 28 31 37 42 37 33
Venezuela[25][25][26] 13 12 16 20 22 20 22 18 19 25
Brazil[18] 18.6 17.5 15.6 16.7 17.5 19.3 24 25 26 25
Guatemala[27][28] 29 34 33 32 35 37 30.65 23.7
Russia/ Soviet Union[12] 14.2 15.2 23.0 30.6 21.9 21.5 19.9 18.03 19.27
Belize[29][30] 9 10 10 13 17.1
Kazakhstan[21] 15.23 16.49 16.33
Bahamas[21] 14.39 17.96 15.92
Mexico[18] 16.6 16.7 17.8 16.7 16.0 15.4 15.4 14.6 14.93 15.13
Guyana[11] 13 12 25 14 16 14 14 11 11 15
Ecuador[18] 9.8 10.8 11.4 12.2 10.6 13.4 14.0 12.4 15.1 14.8
Puerto Rico[31] 14.6
Dominican Republic[32] 14.39
Botswana[33] 12.87
Paraguay[17] 16.40 11.83
Estonia[17][21] 16.58 14.60 12.21 13.94 11.32
Nicaragua[34][35] 12 13 15 14 13 16 15 15 13 11
Zambia[17] 9.02 10.85
Peru[21] 12.52 12.13 10.28
Sri Lanka[21] 8.91 9.70 9.98
Panama[35][36] 12 12 12 12 12 14 9 12 10 9.8
Belarus[17][21] 9.29 9.42 9.94 10.26 9.74
Latvia[17][21] 11.45 10.76 11.03 10.21 9.50
Uganda[21] 8.92 9.15 9.45
Papua New Guinea[17] 10.28 8.99
Kyrgyzstan[17][21] 11.85 11.34 9.47 8.86 8.90
Barbados[17] 7.54 8.64
Ukraine[17][21] 8.55 9.58 8.35 8.34 8.52
Thailand[17][21] 7.65 7.46 7.90 9.56 8.39
Lithuania[17][21] 13.51 10.92 10.55 8.40 8.35
Philippines[17] 8.12 7.69
Trinidad and Tobago[37] 7.66
Tajikistan[21] 6.27 7.47 7.63
Moldova[17][21] 8.39 7.91 8.14 7.49 7.62
Tanzania[21] 7.12 7.49 7.52
Argentina[18] 4.5 3.8 4.1 3.6 3.9 7.83 8.52 9.15 7.22 7.29
Zimbabwe[17][21] 6.85 6.73 7.18 6.38 7.04
Costa Rica[17][21][34] 5 4 5 5 5 5.45 5.53 6.06 6.13 6.57
Yemen[17

Most of these places are considered a nightmare of unrest.
To be the very next country on this list isn't something to do backflips about.





1169) Message boards : Politics : Some Animals executed four cops in my Town. (Message 958061)
Posted 22 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Events of late are kicking the hell out of the theory that guns keep people safe.
This will be even more common place if idiots like Ted Nugent keep being listened to by...well, other idiots.

How many times do we have to express our deep sadness for another family?
When do people wake up from the weapons manufacturer's fever dreams?

When something like this happens, more idiots go out and buy more guns to feel safer.
The truth is that by putting even more guns in the hands of frightened people, your country becomes ever more dangerous.
1170) Message boards : Politics : REVISITING: Teenager shot-Trial result in deliberation now (Message 957994)
Posted 22 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Never mind Blurf.
I went back and discovered one of the links was two pages. I only saw the first until now.
1171) Message boards : Politics : REVISITING: Teenager shot-Trial result in deliberation now (Message 957992)
Posted 22 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

He also may have not been in the intoxicated, high state that the coroner said he was in the night of the attack which could've made him more aggressive.


This is new information that isn't contained in any of the links that I've seen.
Could you please post where this came from?


1172) Message boards : Politics : REVISITING: Teenager shot-Trial result in deliberation now (Message 957984)
Posted 22 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Although once we were babysitting and we ordered Cervini off the property as he and another couple of older kids had come on and were harrassing Suz's nephews.


He left without challenging you when ordered off the property yet ran TOWARD a man with a gun in his hand yelling "I'm going to get you!"

Life is funny eh?
1173) Message boards : Cafe SETI : How's your weather? (Message 957789)
Posted 21 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Current

Snow
High: -8 °C
Low: -19 °C
POP: 90 %
Evening

Snow
Low: -19 °C
POP: 60 %

Pressure: 100.8 KPa
Humidity: 92 %
Wind: 22 Km/h N
Wind Chill: -17 C
UV: Low
Sunrise: 08:27 PST
Sunset: 15:50 PST

1174) Message boards : Politics : REVISITING: Teenager shot-Trial result in deliberation now (Message 957728)
Posted 21 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
In the first article Scott is said to have stated that "at least one of the kids charged at him". In this updated article this is said: "Scott lost sight of the two other people and then the third person, later identified as Cervini, "advanced toward him." Parrinello could not describe the type of advance." Scott also says the kid was shot twice because he "kept advancing" after being shot the first time. Just thought these were...umm...interesting details to point out.

Scott took his .40 cal outside with him to confront these kids and "contain the situation" himself while his wife called 911. Instead of waiting for police to handle the situation he intentionally put himself (and others) in danger by doing this.

I'm not saying Scott's initial actions were either right or wrong here (citizen trying to prevent a possible crime from continuing vs. waiting for the police which would give the kids time to take the vehicle and leave, if that was even their intention to begin with). However, IMHO he should have left the policing to the police. After all, it's not like these kids were attempting to rape/murder someone outside of Scott's house and Scott was trying to save the victim--they were merely "in his neighbors' driveway near the neighbors' car..."


Unfortunately, the article seems to have expired or been dumped by the source linked to way back at the start.
Fortunately, Rhe quoted from the article and the last line in the quote says where the kids were.

Just thought I'd toss this in before it disappears completely down the memory hole.
1175) Message boards : Politics : REVISITING: Teenager shot-Trial result in deliberation now (Message 957719)
Posted 21 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I remember the original story and it was a neighbor's property he so eagerly grabbed his gun to go out and protect.

I suppose in your rush to justify street justice and the Ted Nugent version of America, you may have missed some details yourself.
1176) Message boards : Cafe SETI : How's your weather? (Message 957677)
Posted 21 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


[b]Hi Robert...how ya doin'?

Where in Canada are you exactly?



I'm up in Prince George, British Columbia where you can choose from 1,600 lakes within an hour drive from town. I think PG, or Pig's Gorge as I lovingly refer to it is mentioned in my profile.

Right now it's - 11C and we had some light snow earlier this afternoon.

PS: Anytime someone thinks this thread is getting too long, feel free to start another. I am not possessive and the idea was someone else's from last year anyway.

Time to crack a tube...Cheers all.
1177) Message boards : Politics : REVISITING: Teenager shot-Trial result in deliberation now (Message 957675)
Posted 21 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

In Canada you don't have the Right to protect family and property?


Yes, you have the right to protect your family and property in Canada.

If you are going to escalate a case of petty thievery to the extent that deadly force is used as the solution, I like to think that the shooter would do some serious time in prison.

This guy shot a kid down in the street in a situation that did not involve his own property or any danger to his family. I'm sure the guy with a dead kid in his front yard would probably agree to swap the CD's and loose change being rummaged through if it would reverse the series of events.
1178) Message boards : Cafe SETI : New Year's Resolutions... (Message 957497)
Posted 20 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Don't give up Robert, Try, try again.


Monday night I'll be trying again.
The citizens of Prince George better stay in their homes because a tobacco craving loader operator will be loose on the streets.

PS: I also resolve to go fishing more often.
1179) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Christmas as a kid... (Message 957456)
Posted 19 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I remember a lot more snow at Christmas time in Ontario.


I do too...but we were 3 ft tall at the time. LOL
1180) Message boards : Politics : REVISITING: Teenager shot-Trial result in deliberation now (Message 957454)
Posted 19 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thank you Niko
I knew it was wrong but was too lazy to look it up.

In any case, the kid wasn't armed and he didn't receive his due process that, by the way, is a constitutional right.
No right wingers who support, enjoy and get all Chuck Norris tingley over the killing of this kid ever mention that small point.
1181) Message boards : Politics : REVISITING: Teenager shot-Trial result in deliberation now (Message 957447)
Posted 19 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Announced at 8pm EST...

Shooter is acquitted

I wonder if we will hear from the people here who had him hung before the trial?


A lynch mob doesn't hang around after the lynching.


What's to be said?
A man heard a noise outside on another person's property.
Instead of phoning the police when he saw what was going on, he armed himself and went after the kids stealing crap out of a car.

One kid was shot in the back and died at the scene.
Seems that the kid was a defensive back in football and felt more comfortable running at the shooter backwards, or he was a student of ballet and was running at the shooter while doing piroets.(not sure of this spelling)

If you are all pleased to live in a country where stealing crap from a car is a capital offense, who am I to say anything?

There's no justice like street justice. Think of the money your state will save in legal expenses.
1182) Message boards : Politics : The Day The World Failed (Message 957444)
Posted 19 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Soylent Green is a 1973 science fiction movie depicting a dystopian future in which overpopulation leads to depleted resources, which in turn leads to widespread unemployment and poverty. Real fruit, vegetables and meat are rare and expensive commodities. Much of the population survives on processed food rations, including "soylent green" wafers made from recycled dead humans.

Was the writer a futurist or a quack?

About that bet Luke - I'm out. I can't afford to lose $1,000.

Niko


Looks like he is going to be spot on... I'll look into renting this movie you speak of. Thanks Niko...


This movie seemed so far out when I first saw it.
It has become a chilling (no pun intended) prediction of a future we don't want to see come true.
1183) Message boards : Politics : The Day The World Failed (Message 957443)
Posted 19 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I believe the best indication of global warming is the way the leaders of the countries surrounding the arctic circle are all suddenly, in the last 5 years, laying claim to shipping routes.
These passages through the north have been melting and opening up steadily.

While my own Prime Minister is one of those politicians that says we don't need to take action on warming, he's making great photo opportunities for himself everytime he goes to the arctic circle with another announcement about Canadian sovereignty, increased naval presences and new icebreakers.

People in the underdeveloped countries have a legitimate grievance against the actions of the industrialized countries at the Climate Conference.
1184) Message boards : Cafe SETI : New Year's Resolutions... (Message 957441)
Posted 19 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I caved in after 16 hours...7 of them were sleeping.
Graveyard shift starts at 11:30 Monday night. I'll try again.
1185) Message boards : Cafe SETI : New Year's Resolutions... (Message 957314)
Posted 19 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I've chewed Copenhagen snuff for 30 years.
My New Years resolution is to kick it. I'm not waiting for New Years eve, I'm starting tomorrow.
1186) Message boards : Cafe SETI : How's your weather? (Message 957110)
Posted 18 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
We're in a real tropical mood around these parts.
Temp has climbed to - 2C and is expected to reach 0 during the day.
1187) Message boards : Cafe SETI : . . . To All of You here @ the SETI Cafe - Happy 2010 (Message 956831)
Posted 17 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Merry Christmas everyone
1188) Message boards : Cafe SETI : How's your weather? (Message 955151)
Posted 16 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Just went outside to plug in the vehicles.
It's only - 20C but the Jeep is getting old and needs extra TLC

G'night all
1189) Message boards : Politics : Some Animals executed four cops in my Town. (Message 955138)
Posted 16 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrqIbJIHJOY
1190) Message boards : Politics : Does the state have the right to intervene? (Message 955135)
Posted 16 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Merry Christmas to you too Niko.
No worries. In spite of what Bill O'Rielly tells you, the left isn't trying to destroy Christmas.

We're fortunate in Canada that our political system isn't driven as much by the corporate contributions as the American system.
The majority of funding for our elections comes from the taxpayer and not special interest industrial lobbies.

Although, I did see on the news two nights ago that the federal Environment Minister had 120 visits to his office last year from industry representatives and lobbyists while there were only 12 meetings with environmental groups.

Something is rotten, and it isn't in Denmark.
1191) Message boards : Cafe SETI : defensive struggle? Football (Message 954863)
Posted 15 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
It's expensive to field a full team. My old athletic club, the Vancouver Meralomas, spent over $150,000 per season to run a Junior Football program.

That was the cost when I was coaching there after my playing days were done in the mid '80s.

These small Texas towns could never scrape together enough kids or the money to run a full program. This is a viable option for them.

I suppose that 6 man was the seed for the idea of Arena Football.
1192) Message boards : Cafe SETI : defensive struggle? Football (Message 954757)
Posted 14 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I checked 6 man football out on YouTube and it looks like the kids are having a blast.
1193) Message boards : Cafe SETI : How's your weather? (Message 954714)
Posted 14 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
While the Jeep warms up a little longer than usual, I have time to come in and post a morning temp of - 35C.

1194) Message boards : Cafe SETI : How's your weather? (Message 954684)
Posted 14 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Our water mains are buried deep. Over 20 ft in some places in town.
That's not to say our water dep't isn't kept busy during winter.
1195) Message boards : Cafe SETI : How's your weather? (Message 954676)
Posted 14 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
LOL
I love winter
I save my complaining for those hot days of summer.
1196) Message boards : Cafe SETI : How's your weather? (Message 954674)
Posted 14 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
We're sitting at - 31C

(I don't think my wife is enjoying this)
1197) Message boards : Politics : JFK comment thread....... (Message 954662)
Posted 14 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
There was more than one shooter. Of this I am convinced.
Who Why Where ??? I think we'll never know.
1198) Message boards : Politics : Does the state have the right to intervene? (Message 954660)
Posted 14 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:



It's coming - in Psychology Today a few years back a doctor presented an article to his peers where he felt that Incest should not be a crime if it happens with consent from the child.




I'm very curious to read an article that presents a pro-incest opinion based on a study that sets out to prove...

"These implied properties are (a) CSA causes harm, (b) this harm is pervasive in the
population of persons with a history of CSA, (c) this harm is likely to be intense, and (d) CSA is an equivalent
experience for boys and girls in terms of its widespread and intensely negative effects."

I wonder how you remember the source for this guy's conclusions but can't present the article.

As a cop, you would be very aware of what happens to people's memories over time. Things are imbellished, added after the fact and altered to fit their perceptions of events.

I don't think cops are immune to this phenomenon. No slight to you intended.

None of this matters because we all agree that there is great harm in the sexual abuse of children.
I am certain we'll have no one arguing that the state shouldn't involve itself in these cases.

The question of the state stepping in to force lifestyle changes on adults engaged in legal activities in their own homes is where I wanted this thread to procceed.
(but these things take on a life of their own)
1199) Message boards : Politics : Does the state have the right to intervene? (Message 954591)
Posted 14 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:



It's coming - in Psychology Today a few years back a doctor presented an article to his peers where he felt that Incest should not be a crime if it happens with consent from the child.

The Libs never give up...


If we're going to have an intelligent and respectful discussion, we must first understand and acknowledge that Liberals are NOT pro-incest.

This is very clearly a situation where there is harm being done to another, even if that other is too young or too unaware of social behaviour to know they are being harmed.

This differs greatly from the retired guy drinking alone in his home.


Robert, The doctors that wrote this study http://www.ipce.info/library_3/rbt/metaana.pdf are probably Liberals, not Conservatives.

Please don't shoot the messenger :-) I know that most Liberals are not into incest but this study is disturbing and is a trend that is not going to go away.

Generally, Traditional Conservatism is a philosophy which emphasizes the need for the principles of natural law and transcendent moral order. Liberalism favor the importance of individual freedom, sometimes above all other ideoologies and yes sometimes above the Law. Been there and seen it on the job. I am a Cop so I see folks at their worst - people don't call me when life is good...


I don't know how to react to this.
I guess I'll say thanks and that I also know that most conservatives are not into incest too.
????

I'm somewhat confused by your definition of conservative. I have never thought of conservatives as transcendent in any way. Most seem rather base in their political stances.
Someone trying to transcend would look beyond the reactionary views of the base.
1200) Message boards : Politics : Does the state have the right to intervene? (Message 954584)
Posted 14 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:



Excellent points Robert.

In 2008 about 2.08% of the general population in Eire County NY where I am a State Trooper broke the law in some manner. So due to only 2% of 'Bad Apples' the state has to keep an expensive law enforcement infrastructure in place. If my peers and I were not here, do you think that maybe things would get worse? I believe that you know the answer to that question - you seem like a really smart guy.

Selective distribution of health benefits? Yes! Do we allow the public system to cut people out of healthcare like the private insurers commonly do? Absolutely!

Alive or not, government should put in place an infrastructure so if you or I decide to hurt ourselves - WE are the only ones that pay for it. The Needs of the Many are far more important than just Your needs (and Mine).


This argument can be taken even further.
People make decisions that place them in danger quite often, even if it was unintended danger.

Why not extend this rational to people who have chosen lines of work that are more dangerous than most?
Being a cop comes to mind, or running heavy equipment and truck driving. (that's me)
Should we exclude athletes who suffer greater disabilities in their old age?

Everyone pays into the system and the rates are prorated to cover the expenses of those who may have greater needs in healthcare.
Keep in mind that there are also people who, by plain good fortune, good genes or any number of other reasons, almost never access the system.

It all evens out in the end.

1201) Message boards : Politics : Does the state have the right to intervene? (Message 954581)
Posted 13 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:



It's coming - in Psychology Today a few years back a doctor presented an article to his peers where he felt that Incest should not be a crime if it happens with consent from the child.

The Libs never give up...


If we're going to have an intelligent and respectful discussion, we must first understand and acknowledge that liberals are NOT pro-incest.

This is very clearly a situation where there is harm being done to another, even if that other is too young or too unaware of social behaviour to know they are being harmed.

This differs greatly from the retired guy drinking alone in his home.
1202) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Christmas as a kid... (Message 954516)
Posted 13 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
It was just my response to Angela's post...yuk yuk
1203) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Christmas as a kid... (Message 954502)
Posted 13 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thread closed due to lack of interest...LOL
1204) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Lights in the sky – Geminids (Message 954500)
Posted 13 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I might get a look after all. The skies have cleared in the past few hours and while it's only about 11:40 am I'm becoming optimistic. Fingers crossed for clear skies.
1205) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Get Well! (Message 954496)
Posted 13 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Get well everyone.
This thread makes me think that it's a good thing we do our talking together online and not sitting together in a small room.
hack cough sneeze urp
1206) Message boards : Politics : Does the state have the right to intervene? (Message 954495)
Posted 13 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:



For example: If a retired guy sits at home alone and drinks his liver to death, is he harming anyone else? Yeah he is - the Medicare system that now has to pay for his medical bills.

.


So Giles, what level of intervention is recommended in this case?
Does the state step in or not?
If the retired guy refuses to allow the state into his home, do they kick in his door?
Should the state confiscate his property, in this case his booze, and drag him away for rehabilitation?

Barring that aggressive solution, does the state commence selective distribution of health benefits? Do we allow the public system to cut people out of healthcare like the private insurers commonly do?

We are alive. This life is ours to do with as we please.
If a minority of citizens live in a manner the majority disapprove of, does that indicate some level of control over their lifestyle is warranted?
1207) Message boards : Politics : Does the state have the right to intervene? (Message 954490)
Posted 13 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Not another person who has confused up and down with right and left and forwards and backwards!

You seem to think that bedrooms and boardrooms are the same thing. You measure one group on one scale and another group on the other scale and say they are opposed. Then you provide and example of the extreme of one meeting the extreme of the other. That's how you end up with a circle. Circular logic!

Then you want to talk about another scale, government intrusion. It runs at right angles to those other scales! Assign the sharia lovers and Pol Pot's to one end and the anarchists to the other. When you do this you see that either end is dangerous.

Moderation in all things.

BTW, Chicken's have been <plonk>'d. That is an example of a personal choice.


Gary, I think I explained my position at the opening of this thread.
I do not think that bedrooms and boardrooms are the same.

In one, privacy is expected and demanded.
In the other, full accountability and openess is my expectation.

I would place great levels of regulation on the activities of the boardroom while expecting the state to stay out of my bedroom.
1208) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Lights in the sky – Geminids (Message 954461)
Posted 13 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
We're expecting heavy cloud cover tonight too.
I've had this event circled on my RASC calendar for a while...oh well, there's always next year.
1209) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Christmas as a kid... (Message 954453)
Posted 13 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Christmas was a magic time as a child.
Everything was still new to you. You could feel something was going on all around but couldn't quite figure out what was happening.
Then, a couple of weeks before Christmas, a beautifully decorated tree stood in the living room.
Children were told to be on their best behaviour...Santa was going to be coming.

The streets took on a new look, with sparkling lights and displays on the lawns.
Maybe even some snow if you were lucky. (this applies to the south and the city of Vancouver)

In the blink of an eye you are no longer that little kid believing in magic.
You find yourself dragging a damned tree into the house and cursing while looking for that lost box of decorations.
Long lines at the store, with yourself always at the end.
Crowded parking lots.
Expenses, bills, bad music in malls.

I try to put all of the preparations that cause me grief out of my mind and focus on the endgame.
That quiet time on Christmas eve with my wife and kids around the fireplace.

The rest is all humbug.
1210) Message boards : Politics : Some Animals executed four cops in my Town. (Message 954444)
Posted 13 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


What is it with these BLEEDING HEART libs!


You'd be asking WHERE they were if you found yourself wrongly convicted of murder.
1211) Message boards : Politics : Does the state have the right to intervene? (Message 954440)
Posted 13 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
While I fully believe in the responsibility of the state to step in and regulate matters of national economic importance, does this responsibility include stepping into the personal lifestyle choices made by citizens?

One of the criticisms made by the right when discussing politics is leftists want control over ever aspect of people's lives. The right cling to the mantra of individual freedom of choice.

While it's the right wing non-thinkers that always state the government has no place involving itself in the private lives of it's citizenry, it's always this bunch that demands more government regulation in matters of personal and private choice.

Take abortion as an example.
Generally, those who's political views are left leaning tend to agree that women are free to make the choice without interference from the state. Again, generally, it's the freedom spouting neo-con right that would have the state step in and remove this freedom from the list of options available to women when it comes to reproductive choices.

We have a similar situation brewing in a thread that has been locked down due to heated emotions welling up.

The ultimate question is the same.
Should the state have the right to step in on the personal choices of the citizen?

A member of these forums, msattler, has come under fire for lifestyle choices that some others do not approve of.
One person in particular, Chicken Stacker, has gone so far as to...well, I'll just let you read what CS wrote.


"You are the greatest of enablers. You convince every one you are an alcoholic and manic depressive and in control. Every drunk who ever killed, maimed and ruined lives was in control. Right?

So, all the people who are drunks, alcoholics, and all the people with "problems" will take your example of being in control and feel they can get away with it. Like you have. Like so many have. Thanking GOD and all of Providence for The Great Luck.

It was all in The Past. The Great Past you got away with. Wow, what a guy!

Yep, your posts where you say you are in control are "kid friendly". Hey Kids, I did it, and got away with it-you can too!

My Brother was a Lucky One also. I'm sure his stories of Luck and Getting Away With It would rival yours and best yours by many magnitudes.

I don't take your Cavalier Attitudes on drinking and manic depression lightly. Maybe I'll get a hold of the State Attorney General of California and tell them how their SETI people are allowing this person on their message boards to proclaim how in control they are, and how it is OK to be an Alcoholic and Manic Depressive and proclaim its merits. It must have merits, correct? You seem to talk it up Ad Nauseam in THOUSANDS of posts."


Are we now at the point where citizen vigilantes feel free to turn in their fellow citizens for lifestyle choices that don't meet the personal sniff tests of others?

Do we want Big Brother coming into our homes to remove our property or take us away for social conditioning and treatment when we have not requested such?

The question is simple: Does the state have the right, or the responsibility to intervene at the level of personal choice where no harm is being done to anyone else?
1212) Message boards : Cafe SETI : How's your weather? (Message 954426)
Posted 13 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
- 28C
Seems this isn't going to be the low today.
Must be an arctic front moving down on us.

1213) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Don't know quite where to start............... (Message 954283)
Posted 12 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
What is it you're looking for Chicken Stacker?
You've given your advice, I've given mine and many others have done the same in the forums and by PMs.

msattler has made it very clear how he plans to deal with his issues and it's his choice.

I'm one of the leftists in here, and contrary to popular opinion, we don't believe in forcing people into things they don't want to do or participate in.

Mark is FREE to live his life his way. It doesn't make a rat's ass difference whether you approve or not.
It doesn't matter if I approve or not.
It's his life to do with as he pleases.

That's the whole meaning of the word LIBERTY.
Let it go bud.
1214) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Don't know quite where to start............... (Message 954255)
Posted 12 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Chill Mark and remember, however bad things are for any of us, there is always someone worse off.

Tom


LOL
That logic works for everyone on Earth, except that one guy at the bottom.
1215) Message boards : Cafe SETI : How's your weather? (Message 954040)
Posted 11 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
It's a balmy -7 C
Very light snow

Time to get ready to go to my Local 399 Christmas bash
glug glug
1216) Message boards : Politics : Get offa my lawn.......... (Message 954019)
Posted 11 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Governments in South and Central America have learned the hard way that there are too many strings attached to American investment.
World Bank loans or American aid come with demands that tarrifs be dropped and social programs be eliminated while tax breaks and infrastructure improvements be provided to offshore companies.

The sooner they form their own version of the World Bank to protect the smaller economies of their regions, the better off the people will be.
1217) Message boards : Number crunching : opt. apps announced at the 1st side..?! (Message 954015)
Posted 11 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Good insights for someone that joined the project 3 days ago...LOL...who were you before?
1218) Message boards : Cafe SETI : How's your weather? (Message 953601)
Posted 10 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
We've warmed up to -11 C with a pretty good snowfall happening.
Looks like a busy day
1219) Message boards : Politics : Get offa my lawn.......... (Message 953515)
Posted 10 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


You also have to remember that Mexico's problem is compounded by years of government corruption, but as long as the people got their share, they didn't complain to much. Also government places price controls on food so everybody can afford it, The result is nobody wants to sell food on the open market because there is no money in it.
Mexico also has a large amount of oil, but the state run oil company is not allowed money to expand and the money for expansion is instead spend on programs for the people. The result is that oil production is falling.
Mexico in the past had regular revolutions to throw the old power structure out and started over fresh. They have not had a revolution in a long time but have not been very successful and cleaning up the dead wood with the election process. They are a hard working people, but until they can get away from the government provides all mind set, they will stay where they are.


In a nutshell, what you are saying is that Mexico is in ruins because the corrupt government takes the profits and taxes generated by the ever friendly corporate sector and redistributes it among the people.

If this were really the situation in Mexico, can I ask why so many of the people on the receiving end of this government largess are risking their lives to cross the border?

Why go to America where you can work long hours in a sweatshop or some backwoods farm for less than minimum wage when you could stay home in Mexico and be taken care of by the government?

Your argument makes no sense to me.
1220) Message boards : Politics : Some Animals executed four cops in my Town. (Message 953498)
Posted 10 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Half yout country is full of traitors that want to split your country.


There are seperatists on your side of the border too mate. The southern confederate types and the Chuck Norris Texas seperationists come to mind without even looking the subject up.

None of them are traitors. They simply have a different political view.

What that has to do with the topic of this thread eludes me, but it's your thread so take it anywhere you like.

PS: There were five RCMP members from the Prince George region in attendence at the service for the murdered police officers.
1221) Message boards : Politics : Some Animals executed four cops in my Town. (Message 953497)
Posted 10 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
There's always the China option.
Put a bullet in the back of their head and send a bill for the bullet to the next of kin.
Oh ya, then harvest the dead guy's organs.
1222) Message boards : Politics : Some Animals executed four cops in my Town. (Message 953291)
Posted 9 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I am glad he is dead and I am glad the people that helped him will get a very long time. But I feel really sorry for all the families of the Officers as they all had children. The turnout at the memorial was beyond belief...Maybe some kind of healing can begin. I live 2 blocks from the Police Station and this area needs to get back to normal.


I feel deeply sorry for the families and friends of these murder victims.
No one should ever have to lose a loved one to senseless violence like this.

How many thousands die each year in the US by guns?
Americans need a civilized gun law and they need it now.

A high profile mass murder like this should be the spark that ignites a national uproar over lax gun laws, but the weapon manufacturers and their wealthy lobby will keep it off the table.

These were but four deaths in tens of thousands. How many children need to grow up without parents, how many husbands and wives need to bury their spouse before America wakes up to one of it's most pressing domestic problems?
1223) Message boards : Politics : Some Animals executed four cops in my Town. (Message 953284)
Posted 9 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I disagree with msattler that justice has been done.

From the moment I first heard about this multiple murder of police, I knew the guy would never see a courtroom.

If this is the form of justice that most Americans wish to live under, why not tear down your courthouses, lay off all judges and lawyers, burn all copies of laws and statutes and just tell the police to do whatever they want to whomever they want?
1224) Message boards : Politics : Get offa my lawn.......... (Message 953283)
Posted 9 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The concept of closing down borders to stop the movement of humans is driven by the corporatists, justified by politicians and supported by racists.

How would you feel if a bunch of conservatives crossed illegally into Canada, committed crimes to support themselves, use government services but did not pay taxes and were given the vote by the government against the will of the population. I think you would feel very much like we currently feel down here. We are not against people legally coming into our country. We may also need to adjust how many come into our country, but we can't address that until we get the very large number of illegals under control. Just giving them the key to our country is not the solution. The ones from Mexico are coming here because they destroyed their country and want to get away from it. We are close to doing that to our own country and it could take only a few votes to finish the job by going down the same path that Mexico has. We have over 11 million people who were not give permission to enter or remain in our country. Thats about 1 out of 30 people in our country shouldn't be.
Now another solution might be a green card system were people are allowed to work in this country but there are problems that need to be addressed in a program like that such as what do you do with the children that are born in this country. You end up with parents that have no right to stay in this country but children who are USA citizens under current US tradition.
I am not a racist, but I do like to invite people into my home instead of having them break the door down!


You are expressing the fears taught to you by the corporatists who need you fearfull and angry at immigrants.
The overwhelming majority of illegal immigrants do not support themsleves through crime. They try to stay under the radar while making a living at crappy low paid jobs to send money home to their families.

As for their voting rights, I assume that to register at a polling station one must show proof of residency or American citizenship.
If anyone can vote in the US I'll be chartering buses to make sure another republican never sits in office again.

I'm really curious how these illegal immigrants, dirt poor and desperate to improve their own lives, could possibly have destroyed their own country.
What level of participation to this destruction of Mexico do you place in the hands of people with no power?
1225) Message boards : Cafe SETI : How's your weather? (Message 953209)
Posted 8 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
-21 C right now
Hi Ho
Hi Ho
It's off to work I go
1226) Message boards : Politics : Get offa my lawn.......... (Message 953207)
Posted 8 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The concept of closing down borders to stop the movement of humans is driven by the corporatists, justified by politicians and supported by racists.

Humans have used migration as a survival tactic since the dawn of time. It's in our nature to pick up and move on. It's the reason we populate every useable piece of land on the planet.

The corporatists have a need for cheap, exploitable labour.
They need this labour force confined in regions of low standards.

To do this, the population in the west must be made fearful of immigrants to the point where we agree to close down borders.

Combine the idea of borders closed to human movement with the idea of no restrictions to the movement of capital and you get the globalization big picture.

The capitalists can move their money anywhere in the world without regulations or without a Tobin tax while the humans in the pockets of poverty where manufacturing has moved to are trapped.
1227) Message boards : Cafe SETI : How's your weather? (Message 952984)
Posted 7 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Observed on: December 07 2009 at 06:00 AM PST, Prince George

Current -23 C

Cloudy
High: -15 °C
Low: -20 °C
POP: 60 %
Evening

Snow
Low: -20 °C
POP: 60 %

Pressure: 103.2 KPa
Humidity: 84 %
Wind: 7 Km/h S
UV: Low
Sunrise: 08:14 PST
Sunset: 15:51 PST




1228) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Hmmm (Message 952922)
Posted 7 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Just wondering what the public would think if they saw me doing this with a bucket full of snow in front of their house?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDgq312OA6s&NR=1
1229) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Hello all. (Message 952844)
Posted 6 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
6'1 390lbs
You played nose or strong side DT didn't you.

Welcome to the madhouse.
1230) Message boards : Cafe SETI : How's your weather? (Message 952841)
Posted 6 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I don't remember who started the weather thread last year but it was interesting to see what everyone was enjoying or suffering through.

Current

Clear
High: -14 °C
Low: -23 °C
POP: 0 %
Evening

Clear
Low: -23 °C
POP: 0 %

Pressure: 104.4 KPa
Humidity: 77 %
Wind: 15 Km/h N
Wind Chill: -25 C
UV: Low
Sunrise: 08:12 PST
Sunset: 15:52 PST

It's a beautiful sunny day but more snow is coming tomorrow.
Sheesh, we haven't finished clearing all of the streets from the last dump of snow in spite of working overtime shifts yesterday.
1231) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Canadian Football League (Message 951360)
Posted 1 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
O seconds left - Riders had 12 men on the line so they got a 10 yard penalty - put Montreal on the 33 yard line - they got a 33 yard field goal - 28-27 for Montreal!


Canadian football is 12 man football...it was the unlucky 13th man that caused the penalty.
1232) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Canadian Football League (Message 951224)
Posted 1 Dec 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I was just a little crosseyed when I got home last night and suffered through a kingsized brain pain this morning.

The Saskatchewan heartbreak of having too many men on the field for the last play of the game is unreal.
There's always someone on the sideline counting heads and one of the players on the field also does a count.

Seems that in all the excitement of lining up to stop a game winning field goal attempt more than one person screwed up.

The kick went wide, the flags were thrown and Montreal scored with their second attempt.
You can't ask for more excitement than a one point game decided with no time left on the clock.

Well done both sides.
1233) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Canadian Football League (Message 950851)
Posted 29 Nov 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Just over 3 hours to go until kick-off.
Time for me to stock up on beer and goodies and get down to my buddy's place.
Enjoy the Grey Cup Canada
1234) Message boards : Technical News : Sad Trombone (Nov 25 2009) (Message 950829)
Posted 29 Nov 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
No worries
A signal may travel for thousands of years to reach Earth.
No need to squack about a few days of down time.

1235) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Canadian Football League (Message 950777)
Posted 29 Nov 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I once had a football coach at UBC who said...

"Football evolved from rugby the way man evolved from the ape"

Still funny after 30 years.
1236) Message boards : Cafe SETI : May we move on? (Message 950494)
Posted 28 Nov 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Hey Rick, good luck
Be sure the next one comes with her own riding mower.
1237) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Canadian Football League (Message 950490)
Posted 28 Nov 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
LOL...Ya, the kind with the pointy ends on the ball.
1238) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Canadian Football League (Message 950391)
Posted 28 Nov 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Bump
Gotta keep this near the top until Sunday.
The Grey Cup doesn't have the same level of hype as the Super Bowl so we need to do what we can to spread the word about Canadian style 3 down football.

PS: This is the 97th playing of the Grey Cup...a lot of history involved here.
1239) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Show off your anni T-shirt (Message 950383)
Posted 28 Nov 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Looking good in your SETI@Home T-shirt Julie.
I like the shirts so much that I placed an order with Uli for 2 more last week.
1240) Message boards : Politics : Shall we try again? (Message 950376)
Posted 28 Nov 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Blurf, discussions are fluid. They take on a life of their own.
I never worry about where a thread I've started goes because the members, by means of simply bringing new information to the discussion, are going to wander away from the original intent.

If you want the discussion to get back on the path you originally started, get in and redirect it.
If the participants wish to follow, they will. If not, let it go.
1241) Message boards : Cafe SETI : And before I stand here and threaten to do something stupid....... (Message 950358)
Posted 28 Nov 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Chicken Stacker, you can call my actions anything you like.

I made it very clear that my anger toward Mark was based on his differing points of view, ranging from deep concern for his cats and his religious beliefs to the opposite extreme of being willing to shoot at fellow humans for simply trying to cross the border to make a better life for themselves.

I was believing Mark to be trolling for responses of any kind in a desire on his part to be noticed.
I see that there is more to the situation than just some guy seeking a little attention.

I also stated quite clearly that I hope he will try to recognize when he's posting some of his darker thoughts. I added that there wasn't a free pass in spite of my newfound understanding of his situation.

I don't call that capitulation. I call that compassion and a willingness to try to understand.

I'm sure Mark is very much aware that I'll make my arguments, for or against him, with as much gusto as in the past. At least now I can do it without the anger.
1242) Message boards : Politics : Politicaly uncorrect.....and proud of it. (Message 950212)
Posted 27 Nov 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
OMFG Nick
The new avatar is the funniest statement I've ever seen...clever boy!!!!
1243) Message boards : Cafe SETI : And before I stand here and threaten to do something stupid....... (Message 950209)
Posted 27 Nov 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Well, you just made me smile too.
That doesn't mean you get a free pass on future posts though...LOL
1244) Message boards : Cafe SETI : And before I stand here and threaten to do something stupid....... (Message 950197)
Posted 27 Nov 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Robert......I apologize if I have offended you directly, I did not think I had. If my opinions sometimes offend you, please discuss them when and where they occur.


Thanks for that Mark, but there's no need to apologize because you haven't directly offended me.

I believe the problem I've had with your posts are in my inability to know where you're coming from at any given time.

Trying to follow the lines of logic becomes impossible when you take so many differing perspectives that are in complete opposition to each other.
After reading your description of life as a manic depressive, I feel I've gained a small insight into the swings you must go through.
This gives me reason to apologize to you, and I do.

Having said this, I would ask that you try to tone down the hateful aspects of some of your darker thoughts. This will help me to not feel I must make some type of response in order that the idea expressed doesn't hang out there and be thought of as acceptable.

PS: I've lost much loved pets too and I do care.
Sorry about Oscar





1245) Message boards : Cafe SETI : And before I stand here and threaten to do something stupid....... (Message 950083)
Posted 27 Nov 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I have compassion for virtually everyone.

My disgust comes from the endless reams you post about this cat or the millions of tears you cry for people because of your sensitive soul...yet you go on to post your willingness to shoot other humans crossing the border.

You have discussions about the use of hollow point vs armour piercing rounds when shooting at humans, then go on to spout off about your deep religious beliefs.

I don't care about your cat and I can't follow the emotional roller-coaster that you call a life.

Just keep crunching big numbers and seek some perspective.
1246) Message boards : Cafe SETI : And before I stand here and threaten to do something stupid....... (Message 950068)
Posted 27 Nov 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
It was a cat, dude.
1247) Message boards : Cafe SETI : And before I stand here and threaten to do something stupid....... (Message 950061)
Posted 27 Nov 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
What do my peers say?

Seems asking the question doesn't mean anything when the answer isn't what you seek
1248) Message boards : Cafe SETI : And before I stand here and threaten to do something stupid....... (Message 950060)
Posted 27 Nov 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
But..........I have to say............

There may have been few here that knew how close I was...............\
A few ounces of something in the last drink............a few ounces of pull on the trigger..........and I might join Oscar.........I may do so yet. Join him in peace.........God might forgive me for that.


So as not to appear HOSTILE it seems all I can do is agree with Mark.
A dead cat is a worthy and romantic cause for the actions you describe and I fully support you in following Oscar to the other side.

Don't make a mess
1249) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Canadian Football League (Message 949949)
Posted 26 Nov 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Oskee Wee Wee
Oskee Wa Wa
Holy Mackinaw-
Tigers, eat 'em raw!

Oh wait they didnt make it ...

The game is Sun Nov 29 and as Robert says is always a great game.

Go Allouettes!


LOL
Hamilton was the only stadium I would never removed my helmet in.
Empty mickey bottles seemed to fall from the sky when things were going bad for the Cats.

I place Tigercat fans as rabid as Rider fans. There just seems to be more Rider fans across the country.

Grey Cup starts at 3pm Pacific time Sunday
1250) Message boards : Cafe SETI : And before I stand here and threaten to do something stupid....... (Message 949942)
Posted 26 Nov 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
To ponder, for even one second, splashing your brains all over the ceiling due to a damned cat that croaked speaks volumes.

Lose the booze, get some help and get real.
I'm getting weary of your attention seeking.
You have to be the neediest SOB I've ever encountered.
1251) Message boards : Politics : Politicaly uncorrect.....and proud of it. (Message 949936)
Posted 26 Nov 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

You should take a look at your numbers. When you total what is delivered (not just promised) by private and government sources, we are the heavy lifters in that area. We don't mind if if we don't get recognition, but calling us cheap is going a bit to far.


This might be an interesting read even though it goes against what you believe.

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2676


1252) Message boards : Politics : Politicaly uncorrect.....and proud of it. (Message 949935)
Posted 26 Nov 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

The hate us for the same reason I was picked on in school. We are different, we don't strike back over small things, we try to live by high standards but we don't force others to follow and we have few others defending us. We are the perfect big easy to hit target. Everyone wants to be number one, but they don't understand the price tied to it.


You as a citizen might be trying to live by high standards but your corporate and military interventions in other nations have caused untold deaths and suffering worldwide.

http://lauraflanders.firedoglake.com/2009/11/25/blowback-from-latin-america-to-afghanistan/

1253) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Canadian Football League (Message 949593)
Posted 25 Nov 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
One of our great traditions during high school was to go to a friend's brother's house to watch the game.
He still lives across the street from Queen's Park in New Westminster.

We'd be blotto by half-time and we'd go out and reinact the first half in the park.
Once we were all covered in dirt, mud and whatever else lies on the ground in parks, we'd head back in to finish watching.
Good fun
1254) Message boards : Politics : Carl Sagan puts politics and life into perspective (Message 949592)
Posted 25 Nov 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
For those of you who haven't heard his pale blue dot speech here it is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmMUuR--Qvo


I have simply made this link active and I'm hoping this post remains
1255) Message boards : SETI@home Science : Science Music Videos (Ft. Carl Sagan!!!) (Message 949400)
Posted 24 Nov 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thank you for dropping this into the forums MartyComedian.
Every time I read, watch or listen to Carl Sagan I'm filled with renewed hope for humanity and deeper wonder about this universe.

The artists responsible for creating these beautiful videos are very talented indeed.
1256) Message boards : Politics : Shall we try again? (Message 949394)
Posted 24 Nov 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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I most heartily agree with skildude.
The level of moderation has greatly improved, whether it be due to more skilled mods or a downturn in the animosity in the forums.
Although, I do miss going toe to toe with some of the right wing wingnuts that used to spread their special versions of reality in here.

Moderators...keep up the good work.
1257) Message boards : Politics : Politicaly uncorrect.....and proud of it. (Message 949390)
Posted 24 Nov 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


We are a nation of doers. We don't sit around and wait for someone else to take care of something for us. This is why were were the first to throw off the chains that England had on us. In the last election, I agree we may of been stupid but not racist. As for holy war, we didn't shoot first. You are talking about something that caused more deaths that Pearl Harbor. In any other military, you give an order and it is obeyed. In the US military, you need to explain why. On the other hand, America is the first country to offer a hand to someone in need.
I can prove I have fired over 100,000 shells and I have never killed anything, however if it came down to defending someone from a crime, I would do it.


Where does one begin when confonted with such jingoism?
There is nothing special about the people in the US. Everyone in the world does whatever they have to do to survive and provide for their own.

As for casting off the chains, yours was not the first nation on Earth to declare it's indepedence. The question is, when will America allow that same independence for others?

You might also want to look back at US involvements in the Middle East before claiming you didn't fire the first shot. The people in that region have had a belly-full of American interference in their affairs for generations.
I suppose they too would like to enjoy a little of that independence you are so proud of.

As to America lending a hand in times of need, the whole world does this but you are the only nation that takes all the credit by blowing your own horns loudly.
Hell, you aren't even near the top of the list when it comes to per capita dollars spent in aid.
1258) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Canadian Football League (Message 949299)
Posted 23 Nov 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The eastern and western finals were decided yesterday and this week leads up to the biggest game of the year for fans of the CFL.

This year's Grey Cup final pits the Montreal Alouettes from the east against the Saskatchewan Roughriders of the west.

The Grey Cup is almost always a great football game with a close score and I'm hoping this year is no different.

While I'll be cheering for the Riders, who have an excellent chance to win, I predict the winner will be Montreal.

The only reason I have for this prediction is the experience difference between the quarterbacks.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to a great game, some cold beers and a well earned hang-over.

GO RIDERS! I'm hoping they prove me wrong.
1259) Message boards : Politics : Politicaly uncorrect.....and proud of it. (Message 949295)
Posted 23 Nov 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:



Hi Robert, that may be true but we have our own disease here:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2009/11/22/pq-french-marois.html

It's unbelielable that in this so-called multi-cultural country we can be legally charged for writing business signs in larger font English or speaking too much English! At least the Americans have a melting-pot that basically forces their peoples to coexist together without these petty squabbels. You live in BC so you are isolated from the seperatist agenda.

I'm not a gun lover but I do wish that Canada embraced the American melting-pot ideology ...


Hi Nick, it seems our problems in Canada may be somewhat less violent than the problems of another nation.
I might question your proposition that the American melting pot can force people to coexist without petty squabbles while we're posting in a thread that asks if you'd shoot someone in the street.

Seems to me that the melting pot doesn't eliminate stupidity, racism or this holy war mentality.
1260) Message boards : Politics : OT: Latest Berkeley protests (Message 949198)
Posted 23 Nov 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Funny, I thought the socialists were having a wet dream because they finally got Wall Street to accept welfare (bail out) payments and have them on the hook. Expect several more rounds of corporate welfare payments before it all shakes out. Each round will further nationalize the economy, taking it into socialism.



LOL
What an insight, you must be on to the master plan of all socialists.
We want public monies transfered as quickly as possible to the private interests controlling the capitalist centre called Wall St.

The socialists feel that the American capitalist system has failed to provide for the rich at a rate acceptable to...well, the rich.

It's not enough for them to already be rich and have more money than they could ever spend, they also want that little bit that used to go into education.
You see, they can afford the entire costs of education so why should they contribute to an education subsidy that only helps non-rich people?
1261) Message boards : Politics : OT: Latest Berkeley protests (Message 949163)
Posted 23 Nov 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
There's a direct connection between the costs of the wars and spending at home.

The corporatists, republicans and libertarians are having wet dreams at this moment in history as they see their ultimate goal within reach.

Nothing less than the complete elimination of any form of social spending.
They couldn't achieve this goal while western governments had control over their own economies but the bastards found a way to get around the system by wrecking it.

We find ourselves at a point where we have money to support corporate bail-outs and wars abroad but must cut education, healthcare and unemployment/welfare payments to the poor.

Enjoy the new feudal system we helped create by not paying attention to the powerful elites and their agendas.
1262) Message boards : Politics : Politicaly uncorrect.....and proud of it. (Message 949161)
Posted 23 Nov 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'm so gratefull to live in Canada where discussions like this don't occur.

I'm also gratefull to not live next door to a man suffering through the worst extremes of emotional rollercoasters in a country that allows him to possess weapons.

The question asked here shouldn't be about whether anyone is a Democrat, republican or redneck.
Rather ask yourself if a country ruled by the military industrial complex that permits the weapons industry control over an entire society, from the Executive branch down to the drunken kook living in a box, is indeed a safe place to live.

I've posted this link before but it seems relevent here again.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hblB886f5iQ
1263) Message boards : Politics : JFK comment thread....... (Message 948781)
Posted 21 Nov 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Obama does not have a freaking clue 'bout world politics...........

We will die by his own right hand. And he shall take the rest of us with him........

Trust me on this......the man is the Devil's right hand........

Obomanation............what a sad thing.


So, to wrap it all up neatly, President Obama rates lower than Bush (in your estimation) as to his awareness of world politics.

He, as Satan's right hand, will be the cause of the deaths of all Americans.

OK Mark, put down the jug and go to bed.
The brain wires are shorting out again.






1264) Message boards : Cafe SETI : JFK has not gone away......only forgotten. (Message 947404)
Posted 15 Nov 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


I tell the truth too much for many to bear.

Most can not handle what I dish out.



I think most people can handle the truth, so that probably isn't the issue.
What you dish out differs depending on the time of day.
1265) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Show off your anni T-shirt (Message 943219)
Posted 27 Oct 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I wasn't hiding behind the shades...LOL, it was truly a brilliant sunny day on the lake.
If it takes wearing a paper bag over the head then people can do so, but let's see some more member's t-shirt photos.
1266) Message boards : Politics : Jesus loves war and free enterprise (Message 942656)
Posted 24 Oct 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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I've been the recipient of quite a few email messages that seem to be promoting some strange Christian points of view.
They all seem to have a Christian slant on topics such as the Iraq war, invading Iran or even something as insane as promoting a Christian point of view in supporting corporate domination of a western democracy by means of the free trade agreements and the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP).

I'm not a religious kind of a guy. I actually believe the world would be a better place if people would throw out the ancient crutch of religion. But I'm not going to tell people what to believe.

I just want to know where I can find something that supports the belief in war and unchecked free enterprise in the Bible.
I have read the book and have no idea of how anyone can draw the conclusions found in some of these internet emailings.
1267) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Show off your anni T-shirt (Message 941288)
Posted 19 Oct 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
BUMP
There has to be more than six members with a t-shirt to show off.
1268) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy Birthday Moon (Message 940087)
Posted 15 Oct 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Happy Birthday
1269) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Show off your anni T-shirt (Message 938200)
Posted 7 Oct 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The sky and lake combine nicely to compliment the blue tones of the SETI@Home logo.
There's talk of -10C and snow this weekend.
1270) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Show off your anni T-shirt (Message 938006)
Posted 6 Oct 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Oct 4...Showing off my SETI@Home t-shirt while enjoying a great day of fishing.
This is why I live in the north
1271) Message boards : Politics : Moore with Olbermann (Message 936736)
Posted 29 Sep 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0URCqniVTOY
1272) Message boards : Politics : Tobin Tax (Message 936581)
Posted 29 Sep 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Here is something I lifted off some trading site.
Most of the transactions are simply done with computer software monitoring the money markets and as the dollar, the pound or whatever other currencies go up and down the computers shift billions automatically. It's mindless and profitable at the same time...a republican's wet dream.


"The foreign exchange market is unique in many ways, such as in terms of its trading volume and its extreme liquidity. It also has a wide geographical dispersion and long trading hours. This has an average daily turnover of about $ 3.98 trillion. These values make this market closest to ideal perfection. This market is one of the most liquid financial markets in the world. Some of its traders are large banks, central banks, corporations, governments and other financial institutions."


I tend to think that $4 trillion dollars a day should be taxed for each time it moves.
1273) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : AND NOW LETS ALL RACE FOR THE MOON (Message 936299)
Posted 27 Sep 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'll be out at 4:30 am (PST) Oct 9 with my scope trained on Cabeus A, weather permitting of course.
I'm not expecting much by way of viewing as my 8" scope may be too small for the task, but I'm hoping to see some of the dust cloud if conditions are perfect.
1274) Message boards : Politics : Tobin Tax (Message 935955)
Posted 26 Sep 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Here's a very short article taken from the pages of an outstanding magazine that I am proud to subscribe to.
Adbusters magazine is a Canadian publication, based in Vancouver BC, that deals with world issues that concern us all.

In 1971 the late Nobel laureate James Tobin proposed enacting an infinitesimal tax on all cross-border currency trades. Though it could be as small as one-tenth of one percent, the tax would generate enormous sums of money due to the sheer volume of trades. A modern variant on the Tobin tax would levy an equally small tax on all market transactions. For the ordinary purchase of stocks and bonds, the cost would be trivial – with no perceptible effect on buyers or sellers. But for the more complex, highly-leveraged derivative transactions – the very ones that sunk our economy – the cost of the tax would add up quickly, helping to dampen speculative excess and temper the wild flows of global capital. It would break the cannibalistic cycle of derivatives feeding off derivatives and money feeding off money. And before long – trade by trade, dollar by dollar – the tax would steer our global system back on course … hard work and entrepreneurial zeal would become valuable commodities again.

French President Nicolas Sarkozy is urging his fellow G20 leaders to introduce a Tobin tax, but his initiative is being largely ignored. Send an email to Barack telling him we need systemic change … tell him to take up Sarkozy’s proposal and start slowing down fast money with a Tobin tax.

– Kalle Lasn
1275) Questions and Answers : Wish list : Are we alone website (Message 933016)
Posted 13 Sep 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Could a permanent link to the SETI Are We Alone website be built?
I think people would enjoy listening while poking around the forums.

http://radio.seti.org/pages
1276) Message boards : Politics : Are Americans too Religious? (Message 932842)
Posted 12 Sep 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I think the real question should be; is the world too religious?

My answer is yes to both.
1277) Message boards : Politics : Get offa my lawn.......... (Message 932840)
Posted 12 Sep 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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msattler finds himself taking another time out from the boards and I feel somewhat guilty.
He and I disagree on most topics that are related to social issues, but he has a right to his personal opinions. Hell, I sent him a PM after his last bannishment welcoming him back.

I can only assume that whatever was said to bring on another time-out was of a nature too nasty for the boards.
He needs to learn to stay on topic and not allow himself to fall into the abusive side of arguing.

Too bad. I think we need to examine all aspects of a debate before we can come to an informed opinion and people with extreme views, from both right and left, are part of that examination of facts.
1278) Message boards : Politics : Get offa my lawn.......... (Message 932703)
Posted 12 Sep 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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I hold no religious belief, but you have expressed in other threads that you do.
Is this call for mass killings on the border explained somehow in your scriptures?
Have you ever considered what your Christ might have to say about your belief?

I find it very funny that you can call for shooting everything that moves in this thread while begging for prayers in another.
What's it going to be man, murder or mercy?

I won't even comment on your reference to Hitler.
1279) Message boards : Politics : Get offa my lawn.......... (Message 932558)
Posted 11 Sep 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Perhaps a heavily armed paramilitary presence on every street corner would help make you more comfortable too.

Maybe, to raise needed funds, the government could allow people to rent an hour of time in a tower at the border armed with a sniper rifle and a bottle of Jack Daniels.

YEEHAAA BUBBA
1280) Message boards : Politics : Government run single payer healthcare (Message 932515)
Posted 11 Sep 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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Behold the corporate control of the very function of government.
The issue of universal single payer healthcare has evolved into more profit for the HMO industry.

They went from facing extinction to a position where the government will be legislating more people into the present "for profit" system.

1281) Message boards : Politics : Government run single payer healthcare (Message 932281)
Posted 10 Sep 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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That a nation would entrust their very lives to corporate pigs and profiteers astounds me.
This was the once in a century opportunity to sieze control of your health and well being away from those who would profit from your misery and pain.

It really doesn't matter to me personally, I have no dog in this fight, but I was excited at the prospect of Americans finally realizing the oppressive heel of the corporate master doesn't have to be on their throats.
I have universal single payer healthcare. No one tells me where to seek medical attention. No one tells me which doctor to see. No one throws me out of my house because of medical debts.
No one decides that treating me will be too expensive and drops me from my coverage.

Your "leaders" are cowards. Your "leaders" have been bought and very few of you seem to get it.
Business as usual.
1282) Message boards : Politics : Government run single payer healthcare (Message 932220)
Posted 10 Sep 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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I give up on Americans and the hope for universal single payer healthcare in America.
If you guys can't get your shite together enough for something this important then you are a lost cause.
You may as well just bend over and offer up your rumps to the corporations right now.
What a sad sack bunch you've become since the revolution.

So don't bitch at me for saying this, instead just shut up and take what your masters are giving.

OH CANADA

PS: Those of you living near the border, please stop coming across for free medical treatments and cheaper prescription drugs. I think it's time WE built a damned wall on the border.
1283) Questions and Answers : Wish list : Help for non-typists (Message 932082)
Posted 9 Sep 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
It's happened a few times over the past couple of years.
After the first couple of times I learned to keep my thoughts brief but there are times where I find myself wishing for more time.

So you don't think it could be a time allotment issue from the forums?
Thanks
1284) Questions and Answers : Wish list : Help for non-typists (Message 932079)
Posted 9 Sep 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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I have a confession to make. I'm one of those people who never learned to type.
This leaves me in the position of pecking away at the keyboard with two fingers.

When taking part in a discussion in the forums, there have been times where I have lost everything due to the screen timing out.

Can this time be changed to allow those of us with limited skills a chance?
1285) Message boards : Politics : Religious Thread [12] (Message 931899)
Posted 8 Sep 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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I have recently been examining all the known superstitions of the world, and do not find in our particular superstition (Christianity) one redeeming feature. They are all alike founded on fables and mythology.
Thomas Jefferson
1286) Message boards : Cafe SETI : It's worse than that! He's dead, Jim. (Message 931820)
Posted 7 Sep 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Spock to Kirk
"Please Captain, not in front of the Klingons."
1287) Message boards : SETI@home Science : Optical SETI - Something else to look for... (Message 931809)
Posted 7 Sep 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Who told you nuclear power was a bad idea? And why are you inclined to believe them?


Perhaps he was told this by the mayor of Chernobyl.
Why would the mayor be believed? Because he glowed so brightly.


1288) Message boards : Politics : Reincarnation question (Message 931716)
Posted 7 Sep 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I have no fear of death...it's the transition that might hurt like hell.
1289) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Infinate Endless Empty Space (Message 931688)
Posted 7 Sep 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

For the world is hollow and I have touched the sky.



Didn't it used to be flat?
1290) Message boards : Politics : Religious Thread [12] (Message 931626)
Posted 7 Sep 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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The movie Contact appeared to reinforce the belief of God as much as it did aliens even though Carl Sagan was an agnostic.



By the way, I disagree with this assessment too.

The film did show alien intelligence and technology while there was no sign of God.

There was a God kook willing to blow up the project.
There was a God liar willing to use God to further his own goals.
There was a God believer with nothing but a book in his hand as evidence, and there were the usual God fearin' politicians invoking the name of God but screwing everyone else in their climb to power.

1291) Message boards : Politics : Religious Thread [12] (Message 931504)
Posted 6 Sep 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
More like what MAN has done... and a lot of that is described in metaphor.



Just pointing out that the Old Testament isn't just full of actual, not metaphorical, atrocities committed by man but replete with the same crimes also committed by God...if you believe what is written.

1292) Message boards : Politics : Religious Thread [12] (Message 931473)
Posted 6 Sep 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Seems to be quite a lot of God inspired mayhem in the Old Testament.
I think I'd rather look for ET than follow this kind of nonsense.



Prejudice, hatred and retaliation by God against individuals and religious groups:
God is described as exhibiting intolerance and anger towards humans in many Biblical passages:

God rejected a sincere offering: Adam and Eve had two sons: Cain, a farmer, and Abel, a shepherd. Both gave an offering to God: The former was a vegetable sacrifice; the latter, animal. The Lord had no respect for either Cain or his offering. This triggered Cain's murder of his brother. Liberal theologians are divided on their interpretation of this passage. Some believe it originated in a story of ritual human sacrifice. Others suspect that God rejected Cain's sacrifice as inadequate because it was plant and not animal. Many religious conservatives believe that God's rejection of Cain and his sacrifice was related to unconfessed sin in his life. Hebrews 11:4 supports the latter interpretation.
Genesis 4:2-5 "...And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground... it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD. And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering: But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell."


God killed the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah: God exterminated all of the inhabitants (men, women, children, infants, newborns) of these two towns. Although many denominations teach that the crime for which God punished these people was homosexual behavior, other verses in the Bible show that the actual crime was their lack of kindness towards and abusive of strangers.
Genesis 19:24-25 "Then the LORD rained upon Sodom and upon Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven; And he overthrew those cities, and all the plain, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and that which grew upon the ground."


God killed Onan because he avoided his cultural duty to impregnate his sister-in-law: God had killed Er because he was wicked. This gave his brother, Onan, the religious obligation to engage in sexual intercourse with Er's widow. The resulting baby would be considered Er's offspring. Onan did not want to impregnate Er's wife. The exact reason is unknown. He practiced an elementary (and unreliable) form of birth control: coitus interruptus. God killed him because he did not perform his religious duty. These verses were used in the past to condemn masturbation. That appears to be based on a misinterpretation of the passage.
Genesis 38: 7-10 "And Er, Judah's firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him. And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her, and raise up seed to thy brother. And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother. And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also."


God killed Lot's wife: Some men, who were actually angels, told Lot and his family to flee from Sodom, advising them to not look back or stop until they reached the mountains. Lot negotiated with the men to get permission to only flee to a nearby town, Zoar instead of to the mountains. The men agreed. Once they had reached Zoar, had met of the instructions of the men, and were safe, Lot's wife seems to have assumed that they could look back at the devastation, in accordance with the agreement they had negotiated with the angels. She looked at Sodom which contained the remains of her sons-in-law, her more distant relatives (if any) and her friends. God killed her and changed her to a pillar of salt.
Genesis 19:26 "But his wife looked back from behind him, and she became a pillar of salt"

God attempted to kill Moses: After God selected Moses to lead his people out of Egypt, he apparently changed his mind and attempted to kill him. His wife Zipporah took a piece of flint, amputated her son's foreskin and touched Moses' feet with it. This apparently prevented God from killing Moses. ("Feet" in ancient Hebrew were sometimes used to refer to male genitals). The story does not make a great deal of sense; theologians have debated over its meaning for centuries without resolution.
Exodus 4:24-26 "...the LORD met him, and sought to kill him. Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me."

God killed untold numbers of Egyptians: God selected Moses to lead his people out of Egypt. But God also "hardened the heart" of the Pharaoh (Exodus 4:21, 7:3, 14:4 and 14:17) so that the Pharaoh would not readily let the Jews leave. The result was a series of 10 plagues of increasing severity, culminating in the death of every first born human and animal in Egypt (except for the Jews who had sprinkled blood on their doorposts). Finally, the Pharaoh allowed the Jews to depart.
Exodus 12:29 "And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that was in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle. And Pharaoh rose up in the night, he, and all his servants, and all the Egyptians; and there was a great cry in Egypt; for there was not a house where there was not one dead."


Religious civil war among the Israelites: Two religions were followed by the Israelites at the time: one group worshipped Pagan Gods; the other worshipped the God of the Torah. God was displeased, and decided to break his promises to Abraham, Isaac and Israel. He was prepared to destroy all of the Israelites because of the religious beliefs of the Pagan minority. Moses convinced God to permit just the slaughter of the 3,000 adult male Pagans, and their wives and children.
Exodus 32:28 "...Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor. And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men."


God ordered Israelites to destroy Pagan temples: God ordered the Israelites to drive various Pagan tribes out of Palestine, and to desecrate the religious altars, obelisks and idols that had been used in worship. God later orders that they not inter-marry with people from other tribes.
Exodus 34:11 "...behold, I drive out before thee the Amorite, and the Canaanite, and the Hittite, and the Perizzite, and the Hivite, and the Jebusite. Take heed to thyself, lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land whither thou goest, lest it be for a snare in the midst of thee: But ye shall destroy their altars, break their images, and cut down their groves: For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God."


Rejection of women, and disabled or imperfect men as priests: Women were prohibited from the priesthood. Men who have bodily defects were also not allowed to become priests. This included a man who was blind or lame or a dwarf, or who had a broken nose, an extra finger, a humped back, pimples, scabby skin, crushed testicles, etc.
Leviticus 21:16-23 "...Whosoever he be of thy seed in their generations that hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God. For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded, Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken;"


God killed Jews at Taberah: During the 40 years of wandering through the desert, some Jews complained about their hard life. God heard the complaints, became angry, and destroyed some outlying parts of the camp, presumably killing the inhabitants:
Numbers 11:1 "And when the people complained, it displeased the LORD: and the LORD heard it; and his anger was kindled; and the fire of the LORD burnt among them, and consumed them that were in the uttermost parts of the camp."


God killed Jews at Kibroth-hatta'avah: God had provided manna for the Israelites to eat in the desert. But the people found a steady diet of manna (and nothing else) to be intolerable; they missed meat. They wept because they no longer enjoyed the varied diet that they had enjoyed in Egypt. God was enraged. He caused quails to converge on the camp so that the Israelites would have plenty of meat. Afterwards, he killed large numbers of the people with a plague because of their complaining.
Numbers 11:10-34 "Then Moses heard the people weep throughout their families...and the anger of the LORD was kindled greatly; Moses also was displeased...And there went forth a wind from the LORD, and brought quails from the sea, and let them fall by the camp...And while the flesh was yet between their teeth, ere it was chewed, the wrath of the LORD was kindled against the people, and the LORD smote the people with a very great plague."


God killed 250 Jewish leaders and their families: Korah, Dathan, Abiram and about 250 of the leaders of the Israelites decided that they wanted to abandon God's instructions and adopt a more democratic form of government. They complained to Moses about the status of the priesthood. They believed that the entire congregation is holy, and that the priests should not exalt themselves above the common folk. They also objected to Moses' status as a dictator. God caused the ground to open and swallow the four main leaders. They were and their families were killed and descended into Sheol, the underground caverns where the dead live a shadowy existence. God sent fire to burn alive the remaining 250 leaders, their wives and children.
Numbers 16:1-35 "Now Korah...and Dathan and Abiram...and On...rose up before Moses, with...250 princes of the assembly, famous in the congregation, men of renown: And they gathered themselves together against Moses and against Aaron, and said unto them, Ye take too much upon you, seeing all the congregation are holy, every one of them, and the LORD is among them: wherefore then lift ye up yourselves above the congregation of the LORD?...And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying, Separate yourselves from among this congregation, that I may consume them in a moment...And it came to pass...that the ground clave asunder that was under them: And the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed them up, and their houses, and all the men that appertained unto Korah, and all their goods. They, and all that appertained to them, went down alive into the pit, and the earth closed upon them: and they perished from among the congregation. And there came out a fire from the LORD, and consumed the 250 men that offered incense."


God sent a plague which killed 14,700 Jews: Following the mass murder of 254 leaders and their families, almost all of the Israelites complained about the terrible loss of life among these holy people. God was displeased and sent a plague which killed almost 15,000 Israelites.
Numbers 16:41-49 "...all the congregation of the children of Israel murmured against Moses and against Aaron, saying, Ye have killed the people of the LORD...And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Get you up from among this congregation, that I may consume them as in a moment. And they fell upon their faces. And Moses said unto Aaron, Take a censer, and put fire therein from off the altar, and put on incense, and go quickly unto the congregation, and make an atonement for them: for there is wrath gone out from the LORD; the plague is begun...And he stood between the dead and the living; and the plague was stayed. Now they that died in the plague were 14,700, beside them that died about the matter of Korah."

God orders genocides: The Israelites had exterminated the Amorites. God ordered them to also wipe out the Bashan in the same way.
Numbers 21:34-35 "And the LORD said unto Moses, Fear him not: for I have delivered him into thy hand, and all his people, and his land; and thou shalt do to him as thou didst unto Sihon king of the Amorites, which dwelt at Heshbon. So they smote him, and his sons, and all his people, until there was none left him alive: and they possessed his land."


God sends plague which killed 24,000 Israelites: While in Shittim, all of the Israelites began to follow another religion. They worshipped Baal, a God of the Moabites and other Pagan tribes. The Biblical text is a bit confusing here. It says that: God ordered Moses to kill all of the tribal leaders of Israel as punishment
God sent a plague as punishment
Moses ordered that all Israelites who had worshipped Baal be executed. (Since all of Israel was involved in Pagan worship, this would presumably include everyone.)

A young man, Phinehas, saw an Israelite man, Zimri, with a Moabite woman, Cozbi. Phinehas became enraged that one of their men had become involved with a woman from another tribe. He murdered both of them with a single spear thrust. God was pleased with this action and stopped the plague at the point that 24,000 had died.
Numbers 25:1-18 "And Israel abode in Shittim, and the people began to commit whoredom with the daughters of Moab. And they called the people unto the sacrifices of their gods: and the people did eat, and bowed down to their gods. And Israel joined himself unto Baalpeor: and the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel. And the LORD said unto Moses, Take all the heads of the people, and hang them up before the LORD against the sun, that the fierce anger of the LORD may be turned away from Israel. And Moses said unto the judges of Israel, Slay ye every one his men that were joined unto Baalpeor. And, behold, one of the children of Israel came and brought unto his brethren a Midianitish woman in the sight of Moses, and in the sight of all the congregation of the children of Israel, who were weeping before the door of the tabernacle of the congregation. And when Phinehas, the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron the priest, saw it, he rose up from among the congregation, and took a javelin in his hand; And he went after the man of Israel into the tent, and thrust both of them through, the man of Israel, and the woman through her belly. So the plague was stayed from the children of Israel. And those that died in the plague were twenty and four thousand. And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Phinehas, the son of Eleazar, the son of Aaron the priest, hath turned my wrath away from the children of Israel, while he was zealous for my sake among them, that I consumed not the children of Israel in my jealousy. Wherefore say, Behold, I give unto him my covenant of peace:"


God orders genocide of the Midianites: God ordered that the Midianites be exterminated because of their religious beliefs and practices. The Israeli army kills all of the Midianite men, and took the women and children captive. Moses was angry that the army had taken the women captive instead of murdering them. He ordered all of the boys and any women who were not virgins to be killed in cold blood. Virgin girls, some 32,000, were allowed to live.
Numbers 31:7-41 "And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males...And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods...Moses was wroth with the officers of the host...And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?...Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves."


God orders extermination of residents of Canaan: Canaan is an area which includes modern-day Israel, the occupied territories, and part of Lebanon and Syria. Its borders are defined in Numbers 34:1-12. The Canaanites were well established there. According to the Bible, Joshua led the Israeli army into Canaan killing any adults and children who did not vacate the land. God's motivation for ordering this destruction appears to have been the religion of the Canaanites. Their carved stones, molten images, and open-air religious sanctuaries were to be desecrated and destroyed. Much of the book of Joshua describes the carnage.
Numbers 33:50-52 "And the LORD spake unto Moses...saying...When ye are passed over Jordan into the land of Canaan; Then ye shall drive out all the inhabitants of the land from before you, and destroy all their pictures, and destroy all their molten images, and quite pluck down all their high places:"

God hardened the hearts of the Canaanites so that they would resist the invasion of the Israelites.
Joshua 11:19-20 "There was not a city that made peace with the children of Israel, save the Hivites the inhabitants of Gibeon: all other they took in battle. For it was of the LORD to harden their hearts, that they should come against Israel in battle, that he might destroy them utterly, and that they might have no favour, but that he might destroy them, as the LORD commanded Moses."

All of the people in Jericho: men, women and children, were killed or murdered.
Joshua 6:21 "And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword."

The king of Ai was kidnapped and later murdered. All of the rest of the inhabitants, young and old, were killed or murdered.
Joshua 8:25 "And so it was, that all that fell that day, both of men and women, were twelve thousand, even all the men of Ai."

Five armies from southern Canaan joined together to fight the Israeli army, and were wiped out. The five kings were captured and murdered in cold blood. The Israelites then attacked each of the cities in the area: Makkedah, Libnah, Lachish, Eglon, Hebron, and Debir. Every person was killed.
Joshua 10:28-39 "...Joshua took Makkedah...he let none remain: and he did to the king of Makkedah as he did unto the king of Jericho. Then Joshua passed from Makkedah, and all Israel with him, unto Libnah...and he smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein; he let none remain in it...And Joshua passed from Libnah...and smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein...Then Horam king of Gezer came up to help Lachish; and Joshua smote him and his people, until he had left him none remaining. And from Lachish Joshua passed unto Eglon...and all the souls that were therein he utterly destroyed that day. And Joshua went up from Eglon...and smote it with the edge of the sword...and all the souls that were therein; he left none remaining...he...destroyed it utterly, and all the souls that were therein. And Joshua returned, and all Israel with him, to Debir...and utterly destroyed all the souls that were therein; he left none remaining:"

An alliance of many kings joined to fight Joshua. They were defeated. The Israelites "did not leave any that breathed."
Joshua 11:4-15 "And they went out, they and all their hosts with them, much people, even as the sand that is upon the sea shore in multitude, with horses and chariots very many. And when all these kings were met together, they came and pitched together at the waters of Merom, to fight against Israel...And the LORD delivered them into the hand of Israel, who smote them, and chased them unto great Zidon, and unto Misrephothmaim, and unto the valley of Mizpeh eastward; and they smote them, until they left them none remaining. And Joshua at that time turned back, and took Hazor...And they smote all the souls that were therein with the edge of the sword, utterly destroying them: there was not any left to breathe: and he burnt Hazor with fire. And all the cities of those kings, and all the kings of them, did Joshua take, and smote them with the edge of the sword, and he utterly destroyed them, as Moses the servant of the LORD commanded. Joshua...left nothing undone of all that the LORD commanded Moses."

Two kings on the east side of the Jordon river, and 31 kings on the west side were killed and their cities destroyed.
Joshua 12: 1-24 "Now these are the kings of the land, which the children of Israel smote, and possessed their land on the other side Jordan toward the rising of the sun, from the river Arnon unto mount Hermon, and all the plain on the east: Sihon king of the Amorites...Og king of Bashan...And these are the kings of the country which Joshua and the children of Israel smote on this side Jordan on the west [list deleted]...all the kings 31."

God threatens to kill men who allow their children to marry outside their group: God forbade men of ancient Israel from allowing their sons and daughters from marrying people from the surrounding Pagan nations - people who were not part of Israel.
Deuteronomy 7:3-4 "Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son. For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly."

Destroy the temples of other religions: No places of worship are to be tolerated; all are to be destroyed.
Deuteronomy 12:2-3 "Ye shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the nations which ye shall possess served their gods, upon the high mountains, and upon the hills, and under every green tree: And ye shall overthrow their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire; and ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names of them out of that place."

God permits a human sacrifice: Jephthah led the fight against the Ammonites. He promised God that if he was victorious that he would conduct an human sacrifice, ritually murdering the first person to meets him on his return to his house. God gives him the victory, and does not intervene when Jephthah ritually murders his only daughter.
Judges 11:30-39 "And Jephthah vowed a vow unto the LORD, and said, If thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hands, Then it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the LORD's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering...And Jephthah came to Mizpeh unto his house, and, behold, his daughter came out to meet him with timbrels and with dances: and she was his only child...And it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed..."
1293) Message boards : Politics : Get offa my lawn.......... (Message 931467)
Posted 6 Sep 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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8. Do not grant citizenship to people born in the US to illegal parents, the exception being if at least one parent is here legally.


I see two shortcomings in this solution right off the bat.
1) A child born in the US of illegal aliens can spend 25 years in the country.
Are you proposing deporting this youth to a country where he/she has no connection,possibly no understanding of the language, no certificate of birth or proof of citizenship?
You would just drop them off in the middle of a foreign land and culture.

2) The simple way around this problem for illegal alien parents would be to abandon the newborn child on a door step somewhere and leave it's fate to the social safety net services of the government.
Having no method or means to prove the child is born of illegal aliens, the government would be obligated to see to the care, adoption and well being of the child.

Seems a large drain on the resources you want to protect as part of your position against illegal aliens.


1294) Message boards : Politics : Get offa my lawn.......... (Message 931461)
Posted 6 Sep 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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2. Do not allow people here illegally to prosper. Crack down on illegal hiring practices, do not offer public support such as medicaid, food stamps, TANF, or anything else to people here illegally.


I'm curious as to the use of the word "prosper" in this context.
The services you cite are not the type of resources someone who is prospering would tend to access.
These are social safety net programs to aid those at the lowest end of the economic scale.




1295) Message boards : Politics : Get offa my lawn.......... (Message 931460)
Posted 6 Sep 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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1. Determine the origin of the majority of immigrants and put pressure on those countries to fix conditions there through trade restrictions or support (whichever would seem to work better depending upon the country in question).


Aren't the vast majority of illegal aliens already from countries where the US government and the corporatists have been involving themselves?
The conditions created by the corporatists are what is driving so many people out of those countries and the hard-core right wing governments are already supported by US aid, both financial and military.





1296) Message boards : Politics : Religious Thread [12] (Message 931314)
Posted 6 Sep 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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I agree that the misinterpretation of religion has brought many bad things to mankind. But that is caused by man's view of God, not by God himself.


I think the Old Testiment speaks volumes on the topic of what God has done.
Talk about crimes against humanity, the book is loaded with examples caused by both mankind and God.
If you believe 2 thousand year old fiction, that is.

1297) Message boards : Politics : Get offa my lawn.......... (Message 931040)
Posted 5 Sep 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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I find myself wondering how far back in history we can take this?
The North American Indians may have a slightly stronger opinion about who should leave than has been expressed so far in this thread.

This whole illegal immigrant thing didn't work out well for them either.
1298) Message boards : Politics : Moderation Policies. (Message 931037)
Posted 5 Sep 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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Other customers checked their egos at the door, listened, and looked into the bartender's arguments without preconceptions. Some of those customers were surprised to find that the bartender was mostly right.


LOL
In the ficticious bar being discussed, there was no mention of the bartender joining in on the discussions taking place.
It can hardly be called a fair exchange when a bartender holds the power of access to the bar and censorship of opinion over individuals and their involvement in the discussions.

It takes a special disposition to be able to monitor a bar room's activities while remaining above the fray.

Some bartenders are incapable of the task, especially when they see themselves as "mostly right" all the time.

1299) Message boards : Politics : Reincarnation question (Message 930742)
Posted 4 Sep 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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It gives one the feeling of immortality...in a non-organic, non self aware kind of way.

Nice to know our atoms will carry on until the end of the universe, whether it be in a Big Crunch or a cold, lonely and dispersed expanse of space.

Doesn't matter...I'll probably be dead before the end of time and won't notice.
1300) Message boards : Politics : Moderation Policies. (Message 930737)
Posted 4 Sep 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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As I stated, sometimes it was the bartender who started with the name calling.

The defense rests.
1301) Message boards : Politics : Reincarnation question (Message 930704)
Posted 3 Sep 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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The reality of life is we go back to that place we were before we were born.

Remember what it was like those years before you came into existence?
That's what it's like after you die.

Nothingness

Enjoy your existence. It's a nice break from the eternity of oblivion on either side of it.
1302) Message boards : Politics : Moderation Policies. (Message 930702)
Posted 3 Sep 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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Neither did the bartender.


Seems that the ex-bartender has been reduced to volunteer beer taster.
No power to throw people out of the bar.
1303) Message boards : Politics : Moderation Policies. (Message 930501)
Posted 2 Sep 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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LOL, but the biker didn't get fired.
(raspberry noise)
1304) Message boards : Politics : Moderation Policies. (Message 930085)
Posted 1 Sep 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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. . . no, nothing to do with these forums . . . nothing at all . . .

But the way I heard this story, there were 20 or 30 people who came into the bar every once in a while, harassing other patrons who enjoyed these conversations despite the bartender's restrictions. Some of the "20 or so" developed a plan to force some of the patrons they didn't like out of the bar by lying to the liquor commission about what was going on in the bar, and what the people, who these plotters disliked, did outside the bar.

Ironically, some of the patrons who were the target of this plot had been asked by the bartender to keep an eye on this group of 20+ people. These watchers found out about the plot and helped the bartender stop it, so that the bar could continue to provide its unique service. Rather than be happy with this, the bartender tightened his rules and ignored the very people who helped uncover the plot! And now, as you have pointed out, "the humanity and spontaneity" is gone and the conversations are fewer, guarded, and mostly uninteresting.


I've been in this bar too.
But what happened was one of the bartenders would get involved in the discussion to the point where name calling started, then drop out of the discussion for a few days to suddenly come back in and throw patrons out.

I'm sure glad THAT bartender is gone.
1305) Message boards : Cafe SETI : It's worse than that! He's dead, Jim. (Message 929871)
Posted 31 Aug 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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"Open the podbay doors Hal"
1306) Message boards : Politics : Lee Iacocca's new book.... (Message 929850)
Posted 31 Aug 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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I see many questions, but I see no solutions. What is Iacocca bringing to the table to make him worthy of considering him presidencial material?
1307) Message boards : Politics : Lockerbie bomber released... (Message 929350)
Posted 28 Aug 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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I'm astounded that you can call the use of an Atomic Bomb, to be an act of compassion


That's the first time I've seen that little piece of revisionist history myself.













1308) Message boards : Politics : Lockerbie bomber released... (Message 928570)
Posted 25 Aug 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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I understand that very well.
My only question is what purpose is served by keeping the villain in prison?
He has 90 days left in this life. Those with righteous religious vengence feelings can take consolation in thinking this guy will stand before God and face judgement.
Those with no religious inclinations can know this guy will rot in a box under the dirt soon enough.

Can he not have 90 days to make peace with his family before spending eternity in hell or obliviously in the ground as nothing more than worm food?
1309) Message boards : Politics : Lockerbie bomber released... (Message 928504)
Posted 24 Aug 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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From Canadian Dimension


ArticlesUSA Politics and Foreign Policy

Web Exclusive: WALRUS BULLS BELLOWING ON A BEACH
John Chuckman | August 24th 2009

I am disappointed with the view of some knowledgeable commentators over Scotland’s release of the dying man who was convicted of the Lockerbie-airline bombing.

From a purely power-politics point of view, of course, they are right: judging by the ugly noises echoing across the oceans from America, Scotland has done itself no favor.

But if all affairs are to be carried on in every country from that point of view, it seems to me that it is acceptance of America’s right to dictate every matter over the planet, including such intimate matters as how individual countries interpret justice and the government of laws.

This is the acceptance of a de facto aristocracy running the world since American voters - and only about half of eligible Americans bother to vote - represent only a percent or so of the planet¹s population. It is remarkable how many Americans do not understand the basic point that not everything a democracy does is democratic or decent or even acceptable, especially things done outside its borders.

Democracies abuse power just as surely as any other form of government, and a democracy with the immense military power of the United States a power virtually cancerous to genuine democratic values - provides a case study in the inexorable workings of Lord Acton’s dictum.

It would also represent a repression of all the better motives from which individuals and societies act now and then, surprising us and raising the standard of human behavior from the violent-chimpanzee standard that tends to hold for much of humanity and is especially notable in America’s international affairs.

That is unacceptable to most people who are not Americans or who are not dedicated flatterers of America seeking leftovers being dropped from its groaning table.

You only have to ask yourself how Americans themselves would react to others telling them how they should run their court system. The sound would be deafening, like the bellowing of walrus bulls on a stony beach in mating season, which is actually pretty close to the sound of some of America’s professional-victim families today.

Mercy is never misplaced, and I think Scottish justice has reached an admirable decision despite the bellowing of the unthinking American families we have heard from for years.

Apart from that, and a very important consideration, it is almost certain that al-Megrahi is innocent, having been fitted up by American intelligence desperate for a scapegoat with the relentless political pressure of the walrus-bull families.

I have to say, also, I always find it troubling to read the press repeating the lines about 270 victims for the thousandth time. It is an American mantra, emphasizing the special and precious nature of American lives over all others, at least, that is, the lives of upper middle-class Americans.

Rarely do we read an accurate perspective on the Lockerbie event.

The United States Navy stupidly shot down an Iranian airliner with 300 souls aboard as it observed the devastation of the Iran-Iraq War, a devastation America had an important hand in extending.

Those 300 innocent men, women, and children received no mercy, and their horrible deaths certainly never saw any justice. Their families never received compensation. And no apology was even offered by Americans, a disgusting set of behaviors, entirely.

Lockerbie was absolutely clearly revenge, but no one knows who actually committed the act of revenge.

I might offer the observation, too, that it is the same bellowing Americans always ready to use capital punishment or torture and assassinate opponents or, indeed, to invade the lands of those with whom they disagree, bombing and killing countless innocents ­ three million just in Vietnam, another million or so in the Cambodia they de-stabilized, and another million or so in Iraq.

The whole pattern of the two acts of wanton destruction explains the basis for the so-called War on Terror. It is simply America’s saying, “I can do to you, but you can’t do to me.”
1310) Message boards : Politics : Lockerbie bomber released... (Message 928074)
Posted 22 Aug 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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With respect to you personally b101uk, we don't let mass murderers go to score better trade deals w/ other countries.



http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/3-united-states-policies-in-columbia-support-mass-murder/
1311) Message boards : Politics : Lockerbie bomber released... (Message 927835)
Posted 21 Aug 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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CBC Radio reported that this murdering coward has approx three months to live.

While many will disagree, with valid reasons, I believe releasing him to spend his last days with his family is the act of a compassionate state.

While this guy showed no such mercy to his victims, we need to get past the Old Testiment mindset of an eye for an eye.
I think acts of mercy such as this will yield benefits for the west in the long term.

Just my opinion.
1312) Message boards : Politics : The State of the Economy (Message 926912)
Posted 18 Aug 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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You are witnessing probably the greatest money grab in history.
The recovery is the transfer of wealth from the poor, the working class and the middle class to the portfolios of the wealthiest 1%.

Those at the top of the economic pile are making out like bandits while the rest of us are sinking further with less hope of getting into a lifeboat.

It's my belief that the upbeat reporting is simply a ploy to drive people further into debt by increasing their personal spending or to attempt to wring a few dollars more from people by making them believe that there's a fortune to be made by playing in the cesspool known as the stock exchange.

I personally am not buying the recovery stories, just as I'm not buying any big ticket items in the forseeable future.
I'm dumping debts as fast as I can and will keep driving my 17 year old Jeep until it falls apart under me.

I believe the reports of economic recovery to be a hoax. There is no industrial base to build on in the US.
You've allowed your elites to move your manufacturing overseas.
You've allowed your elites the freedom to move capital anywhere in the world with no Tobin tax.
You've allowed your elites to restrict the movement of people, ensuring a virtual labour force of slaves in the countries you use to do your manufacturing.

I'm not an economist, but I don't see anything that supports the claims of recovery.
1313) Message boards : Politics : The State of the Economy (Message 926887)
Posted 18 Aug 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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It's a jobless recovery. The truth is jobs are still being lost at a rate of tens of thousands a month in the states.
The controllers of information, who have all increased their personal fortunes during this time, would like us to believe that our troubles are over because the job losses have slowed down.
There is no recovery. The patient is still bleeding.

I'm curious how the elites plan on staging this great recovery they speak of after closing the plants and factories, shipping all the machinery in those plants overseas and firing every working person under their employ?

Vive le revolution!
1314) Message boards : Politics : Afghan Massacre "The Convoy of Death" (Message 926649)
Posted 16 Aug 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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This is a short film on the topic of the Afghan Massacre from the organization Physicians for Human Rights.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdZlIEVtzN8&feature=PlayList&p=0204648E8196B9F3&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=70
1315) Message boards : Politics : Afghan Massacre "The Convoy of Death" (Message 926348)
Posted 15 Aug 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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I humbly disagree with you both, on the grounds that what happens before and during the battle directly affects the out come ,to give you a live example take for instance world war ll ,Why did the allies hang the nazis ? Dont argue for the sake of it, Why didnt they set them free? If you are so supper human and morally god like.Why should the soldiers set their captured taliban free,Why is it that the guantanamo prisoners are not set free into your state may be you should try that petition for a change and lets see the out come.Have you ever been a soldier?Then what gives you the skills to tell a the whole us army what to do and were is your sympathy coming from ,look around you there killings every where inthe world ,why dont you petition to the almighty or the un for that? The taliban should be defeated ,they choose their destiny themselves as they leave their homes to wage war or do you think the are insane possibly, They leave their homes with an intention to kill and maim the us and anyone alliedto them or do you think they come to dance and you want they us soldiers to capture them ,house them and fed them ,IT seems you should try priest hood and hide behind theological teaching and leave the reality to the men.As the saying goes when the men are busy ,will they children please keep quit. I personally dont have any sympathy for them, i have seen their kind ,i have seen what people like them do to other innocent humans and i have treated many of such humans only the tears in their deformed bodies or what is left of it can tell the tale, may the us rid us all in any way they can of such pests, i personally would prefer feeding them to the sharks may be in that way we would increase the shark population rather than feed them on tax payers money.


Kasule, you seem as angry as a republican forced to attend an interacial gay wedding.

Your first point about hanging nazis.
Not every nazi was hung. There were, and are, no laws against membership in any group.
It's the individual actions that make the individuals accountable.
The nazis that hanged were also given a trial and allowed the opportunity to defend themselves in court.
This seems to be something you feel is uneccessary.

You also claim to have seen their kind. What does that mean?
From my perspective, you seem to be promoting the same kind of ruthless killing as the people you oppose so enthusiastically.

Remember, while you are calling them cowards and baby killers, they are thinking the same of us.
It must end.
1316) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : Galaxy evolution and supermassive black holes. Warning: potentially educational (Message 925507)
Posted 12 Aug 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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Am i correct in saying that ALL the data recorded from the whole sky at Arecibo is turned into work units? That means that 95% of the work units are data recorded from parts of the sky with massively distant stars and Galaxy's that any signal would be too faint to detect. There would also be Hugh amounts of data from blank or almost empty parts of the sky. Could we use the information in the Hipparcos Star Catalog to narrow the search to stars and Galaxy's that might be more likely candidates?


By not scanning those empty parts of the sky, would we be eliminating the possibility of receiving a signal from a probe launched by a civilization seeking to make contact?
I'm thinking there is the possibility that another lifeform might be seeking contact in a more proactive way than relying on intercepting stray radio broadcasts from a homeworld.





1317) Message boards : Politics : Afghan Massacre "The Convoy of Death" (Message 925469)
Posted 12 Aug 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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You are the one who seems to not understand the concept Kasule.
This thread was started to point out an accusation of a war crime and the possibility of an American troop presence at the time it happened.

Everything you point out in your responses is based on the notion that $&!- happens in the heat of battle. When bullets are impacting all about a soldier and bombs are dropping in the area, it is easy to understand how someone could commit an act which would seem inhuman in order to survive.
This isn't the case in the documentary.
The battle was over. The killing had stopped. The enemy had dropped their weapons and surrendered.
It is what happens after the battle that defines one's morality and values.
1318) Message boards : Politics : Afghan Massacre "The Convoy of Death" (Message 925082)
Posted 10 Aug 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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just entertainment!


Hardly the way I'd describe the events depicted in the documentary film I posted the link to.
1319) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : How to start another war... (Message 925081)
Posted 10 Aug 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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Guys and gals take note: those GPS thingies are your key to a successful marriage!

I can't figure out why more young couples don't have them on their wedding registries.


If asked before I was married, I would have asked for a new scope, a compound bow or fishing gear. I might have even considered a BBQ.

But a device that tells me where to go would have seemed redundant, as I was already getting married.
1320) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : How to start another war... (Message 923986)
Posted 6 Aug 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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We're good enough
We're smart enough
and dog gonnit, people like us.

Stewart Smalley (paraphrased)
1321) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : How to start another war... (Message 923929)
Posted 5 Aug 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


but we would gladly embrace them


You must have some wingspan Bill


1322) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : If fire insurance were like health insurance. (Message 923089)
Posted 2 Aug 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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A quick Google search will show several quotes from senior US elected members in 1812 stating that the purpose of the North American part of this global war was to "liberate" the remaining British colonies in North America, and thus allow them to join up with the US.


Ahhh Manifest Destiny

I wish the citizenry of the US would think of universal single payer healthcare as their manifest destiny.
1323) Message boards : Politics : Government run single payer healthcare (Message 922947)
Posted 1 Aug 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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And NASA you must mean the $12,000 toilet seat.


Do you really believe that some procurement officer would put their carreer on the line by doing that or is it more likely that the funds were diverted to some black ops project? c'mon man
1324) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : If fire insurance were like health insurance. (Message 922945)
Posted 1 Aug 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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Are you serious? I do believe we pay for this energy!!! I would have expected a little more from a Canadian than threats. But then thats what we Americans get for graditude. It's ok, we will still protect you and all other people who can not defend themselves! Better than taking care of ourselves, why?, because it is the right thing to do.


You seemed to come out of the corporatist stance regarding healthcare very quickly after giving the concept of universal single payer just a small amount of thought. This tells me you have an open mind and can accept new ideas when they are presented.

Canada is a sovereign nation and we owe no gratitude to anyone. The idea that we are incapable of defending ourselves and must rely on our good buddies from the south is paternalistic and offensive.
You can discover the truth about the Canadian army's reputation during WWII if you look outside the rather one dimensional history books found in American schools.
1325) Message boards : Politics : Afghan Massacre "The Convoy of Death" (Message 922790)
Posted 31 Jul 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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Nin Ki
Thank you. You wrote exactly what I would have tried to say, but you did so with much more passion and clarity.

We must live up to the standards we claim as ours.
1326) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : If fire insurance were like health insurance. (Message 922789)
Posted 31 Jul 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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To bad Canada does'nt have any, but then, you will not need any, because Canadians know that if anything really bad happens, we will protect you, we always have. Lets not forget Europe, people from Europe fall into 2 catagories, those whose ass we saved and those whose ass we kicked. Except Great Britain of course (they can take care of themselves.)


You have always protected us?
Which invasion of Canada did America ever stop? The only time Canada was ever invaded was by Americans in 1812, and we all know the outcome of that little adventure.

While American military spending may be 6 times that of the rest of the world combined, keep this in mind, we send energy south. Without our natural gas, oil and electricity you'd be hooped. We turn off the taps and you grind to a halt very quickly.

Can we now end our nationalistic rants?



1327) Message boards : Politics : Afghan Massacre "The Convoy of Death" (Message 922253)
Posted 29 Jul 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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Kasule
I'm having great difficulty believing you really are a doctor.
We all know the history of what happens when one group dehumanizes another.
The Nazis, under Adolf Hitler, dehumanized the Jews, Slavs and anyone of colour.
We all know what that lead to.

I have to keep telling myself that you have stated that you grew up since age five with war all about you.
I would hope that someone who has witnessed the ugliness of war would try harder than anyone else to make the world a better place. To make the world better for their children, that they might live in peace and not suffer the same degradations and horrors.

I keep finding myself wondering why you would defend atrocities committed against an enemy after they have surrendered.
I keep coming up with the same answer.
1328) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : If fire insurance were like health insurance. (Message 922245)
Posted 29 Jul 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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When advocates of privatization are elected to public office, they bring their ideologies with them.
The first thing they do is put people who agree with that philosophy into top government agencies.
The next step is to run the department into the ground while spouting off that government can't compete.
Some of the reactionary crowd in the general public and those not paying attention to the timelines and histories actually buy this garbage.

There are no magic employees in the private sector.
There are no supermen in the private sector.

The only reason this myth is perpetuated is that corporate profiteers see a chance to further suck public monies from government coffers.

Private over public is all bull$#!+
1329) Message boards : Politics : Government run single payer healthcare (Message 922075)
Posted 29 Jul 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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Name 1 thing ANY government does well?? besides taking your money!!


Police, firefighters, national parks, NASA, water and sewer, garbage collection, defence, health and safety, health regulations...Developement of telecommunications, television, radio, computers ...highways, border inspection,
there's more but you get the idea.
1330) Message boards : Politics : Afghan Massacre "The Convoy of Death" (Message 922074)
Posted 29 Jul 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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http://www.nlm.nih.gov/hmd/greek/greek_oath.html

Time for a refresher
1331) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : If fire insurance were like health insurance. (Message 922072)
Posted 29 Jul 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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I disagree that we should hand over the duty of taking care of "the weakest" to government. In the end, it's the responsibility of us all to take care of others.



The government is all of us. It is our collective will that allows government to exist.
It's also true, in spite of what libertarian thought and corporatists tell us, one of the things government can do very well is take care of those in need.

The notion mentioned in the quote above sounds quite reasonable if one doesn't take a moment to think it through.
Only government has the resources and infrastructure to deliver aid evenly throughout the country.
If an entire city becomes economically stressed, say Detroit or Flint Michigan, due to the greed of an industry moving manufacturing overseas, everyone is affected. Therefore, less disposable income means less aid to others within the area.
People aren't likely to send donations across the continent to help out when there are local needs to be taken care of where they live.

Only through government can we ensure help for all who need it.
1332) Message boards : Politics : Afghan Massacre "The Convoy of Death" (Message 921875)
Posted 28 Jul 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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herein lies the problem. During the korean war and before prisoners were prepatriated and returned to normal lives. Basically, A taliban fighter will never return back to his home and restart a normal life. His normal life was under sharia(sp) law. Anything less and it wasn't good enough. So though tragic the 3000 dead talibani are 3000 less that the current NATO forces would have to engage when these wholesome individuals were returned to their homes. No its not right but in truth what could be done with them. Prison? not likely.

BTW I'm wondering if their is eyewitness accounts of the shootings coming out. Since someone seems to thing that the prisoners were begging for air, water, and food. that the troops watching over them shot holes into the containers because of this. I'd like to assume for a minute that they were intentionally just taken to a spot and they just opened fire. This seems to be just as accurate as the other description only without the malice


I'm going to go out on a limb here, because I have no deep knowledge of the culture, but I don't believe that once engaged in conflict they can never stop. I tend to think this "Terminator" image of the Taliban is part of the boogeyman image created to make us fear them.
I don't attribute this image to anything the Taliban has done, but to the demonization of them by those here in leadership roles who need us to fear them to perpetuate the war on terror.

As to eye witnesses, at the end of the film there is a claim that two of those speaking in the film to what they witnessed have been killed already. It would seem there are many witnesses.
1333) Message boards : Politics : Afghan Massacre "The Convoy of Death" (Message 921873)
Posted 28 Jul 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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We cannot change the order of posts in a thread. If a thread is merged (as it appears to be in this case), the database automatically displays them in chronological order by the date/time stamp as recorded by the database.


Understood.
Thanks OzzFan
1334) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Aphorisms (Message 921747)
Posted 27 Jul 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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Busier than a Bagdad bricklayer
1335) Message boards : Politics : Afghan Massacre "The Convoy of Death" (Message 921737)
Posted 27 Jul 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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Mods, I'm still waiting for that post which was inserted at the top of this thread to be moved down to the bottom.
I have no problem with Vextor.TV having input but my original post should be at the top to avoid confusion as to what this thread is all about.
1336) Message boards : Politics : Afghan Massacre "The Convoy of Death" (Message 921734)
Posted 27 Jul 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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I don't see where footage of live combat is relevent to a discussion of this issue of putting surrendered prisoners in containers, shooting through the sides of the containers then taking 3,000 of those surrendered prisoners into the desert and executing them.

I know dead is dead.
I know soldiers die in combat.

The issue is whether prisoners of war, men who have laid down their arms and surrendered, are to be treated as if they were prisoners at a Nazi death camp.
1337) Message boards : SETI@home Staff Blog : If fire insurance were like health insurance. (Message 921726)
Posted 27 Jul 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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The issue of compensation rates for doctors is a blind alley. It sidetracks discussion and diverts attention from just who is really profiting from healthcare in the hands of private insurers.
There are no doctors raking in bundles of cash at the levels achieved by those at the top of the corporations controlling healthcare in the states.

Healthcare is a right, not a damned privilege.
There are many well financed lobby efforts aimed at protecting the profits of corporate healthcare.
These lobbyists, speaking on behalf of the profiteers, have derailed government run universal single payer and removed it from the table as an option in the healthcare reform talks.

I don't know when or how they got to Obama, but they did.
It's up to each individual to write or phone their elected representative and make it very clear that the health for profit system must be abandoned for the common good of the citizens of the United States.
Congress needs to hear the voices of many citizens as quickly as possible to shoot down the list of options being suggested by those who profit from your health emergencies.

This bastardized, watered down garbage being presented as a viable option should be deemed by all as unacceptable and pressure needs to be applied by citizens to get the healthcare they need and deserve.

Every American citizen needs to start thinking of healthcare as a basic human right.
The way we treat the weakest amongst us is a reflection of our society.
Don't allow the pigs to remain at the trough to further gorge themselves on something that is too important to be allowed to remain in the hands of profiteers.
1338) Message boards : Politics : Afghan Massacre "The Convoy of Death" (Message 921522)
Posted 26 Jul 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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Seems that the link I posted is no longer active.
Here's another link to the same documentary.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6050857680395448306&hl=en

It appears this story has started to circulate to the extent that the elites can no longer ignore it or stop the flow of information regarding the events.

If citizens keep spreading this information, rather than waiting for corporate network news to do so, there will be a tidal wave of anger that can't be stopped.
1339) Message boards : Politics : Afghan Massacre "The Convoy of Death" (Message 921145)
Posted 24 Jul 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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Is there anything new on the convoy? Have any news outlets picked up the story?

From what I have read the Afghan army is mostly at fault (allegedly). Is this true ?

Thank you Kasule for the pictures!


I haven't seen anything on a major betwork regarding this allegation and I don't expect to unless it becomes too large to ignore. This is where it is so very important to write letters or make phone calls to elected officials.
A letter to the editor asking why there has been no coverage would also help draw attention to the story.

As to the issue of fault or accountability, I suppose one would have to consider a few things.
First, were American troops present?
Second, would American troops be taking orders from Afghan officers?

Only an independant international inquiry can come close to answering questions that arise from the documentary film.
1340) Message boards : Politics : Afghan Massacre "The Convoy of Death" (Message 919421)
Posted 19 Jul 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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Thank you Kasule
I really don't think of you as the kind of person who truly believes that mass executions are acceptable, but you seem to have accepted that you can do nothing to change the world.
You may be correct, but I cling to the belief that the world can be made better.
A small number of powerful elites have directed events to suit their wants. Just think what could be done if the masses started using the power of shear numbers to redirect events.

I'll keep plodding along.
1341) Message boards : Politics : Afghan Massacre "The Convoy of Death" (Message 919411)
Posted 19 Jul 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/sep/14/afghanistan.lukeharding
1342) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy Birthday Uli!!! (Message 919408)
Posted 19 Jul 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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Have a very happy birthday
1343) Message boards : Politics : Afghan Massacre "The Convoy of Death" (Message 919407)
Posted 19 Jul 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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What do all the squawkers want?
Sounds like they are looking to create another My Lai!


My Lai wasn't created by squawkers.
1344) Message boards : Politics : Afghan Massacre "The Convoy of Death" (Message 919405)
Posted 19 Jul 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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You've convinced me of the error of my ways.
Let's throw another baby on the BBQ and make a real party of this.

Who needs rules of engagement when the bloodlust of the public has been stirred up to a level that seems to tolerate any actions perpetrated by our own troops against fellow humans.

Anyone taking the position that there are rules and limits, even in war, must be a piss-ant weakling whiner who is trying to undermine the heroic soldiers who risk everything by shooting at metal shipping containers filled with prisoners.

I can't wait for this attitude to filter down to civilian life and local police actions. It's so much easier to simply execute prisoners on the spot than to actually prove a case before a court.
1345) Message boards : Politics : Afghan Massacre "The Convoy of Death" (Message 919143)
Posted 18 Jul 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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Kasule,
May I first state that I wish for a world where warfare is considered an abomination and nation states seek diplomatic and logical means to settle disputes.
The reality of the situation is that this ain't going to happen.

If the elites are going to send the underclasses into direct war with the underclasses of other nations (note that the wealthy never seem forced into frontline fighting unless they see it as a means toward some political advancement) the least we can hope for is some basic rules of engagemnet.

When an enemy has laid down their arms and placed themselves at your mercy, it comes with the international understanding that they are to be treated humanely.
After all, they did stop fighting which reduced the casualty rates within the victorious army in that battle.
How many soldiers are going to surrender if the outcome is certain death anyway? They may as well fight to the last man because by fighting back there's always a chance of winning or escaping capture.

When it becomes well known that prisoners are going to be executed after capture, the war becomes one of attrition. A war of attrition on the other side of the world cannot be won. The entire population of the middle east already lives there and if the Americans start to swap casualties on a one for one basis they are going to run out of soldiers very quickly.
1346) Message boards : Politics : NORTH KOREA ATTACKING US (Message 919081)
Posted 18 Jul 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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Kasule,
You're a doctor. How much success has there been in eliminating viruses in your line of work?
1347) Message boards : Politics : Afghan Massacre "The Convoy of Death" (Message 919077)
Posted 18 Jul 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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Do you really think that a country maintains it's status as a super power by shooting anarmed people suffocating inside locked shipping containers?

Those are actions which cause the loss of influence worldwide.
I'm pretty sure I don't want a nation that allows acts like that to go unpunished to remain the beacon we all look up to.
No, that's incorrect...I'm not pretty sure, I'm damned certain I don't.
1348) Message boards : Politics : Afghan Massacre "The Convoy of Death" (Message 919042)
Posted 18 Jul 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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1)The taliban believe that killing a christian is not a sin and they will actually be rewarded in heaven 2)They have shown no mercy to anyone captured of no value to them and if the capture you the actually slaughter you which is far worse than being shot 3)Have you asked your self what provoked civilized people i.e the soldiers to act in such a way,why is it that they did a thing like that ,maybe there certain things you are not aware of.


I had to go back and read this again and I'm still sitting here in disbelief at what you've written.
You seem to have broken this conflict down to the level of another crusade. The troops occupying Afghanistan are not a christian army. They are just troops under the direction of the governments they serve.
To use the argument that the Taliban show no mercy is not justification for torture and mass murder on the part of western troops. The original intent of sending western armies into Afghanistan was to fight terrorism (whatever the hell that means) and bring democracy and freedom to the middle east. How can terrorism be fought by practicing even more terrorism?
1349) Message boards : Politics : Afghan Massacre "The Convoy of Death" (Message 919038)
Posted 18 Jul 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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All they want is to circumcize everyone and rule the world ,get the message.


What part of my message gave you the impression that I'm standing up for these guys????
I'm stating the fact that an allegation of warcrimes has been made against Afghan and American troops and it has to be investigated.

As to your last sentence, how do I respond to such insight? This is like talking to Dick Cheney.
Plenty of jingoism and that old "It's us or them" stuff, but no thought about the long term ramifications of such actions.

1350) Message boards : Politics : Afghan Massacre "The Convoy of Death" (Message 919005)
Posted 18 Jul 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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It seems you dont know what war is ,its all about shooting ,capturing and degrading the opponents capability how these is done depends on the circumstances
the infantry finds its self in.If you want a civilized war it would be better for you to write to your representatives to pull your troops out.But then again they will bring there uncivilized war to your soil.If the troops made those combatants suffer that way ,then they all felt that they should end up that way .These are enemy combatants the have blood of your soldiers on there hands,they have killed many and brought grieve to there families ,the believe strongly in what there doing,the are not innocent as you know.Its a pitty that the whole issue of war has to take place in the first place because its not a scrabble game,You go to war to fight and win and your goverment made the decision to do so,whether they were right is anther issue but they sent your troops knowing very well there going to kill so how they do there killing on your behalf and behalf of washington is what your film is about ,but then again you have the luxury to criticize them in you peacefull town because there guarding the walls and doing so with there lives.If you want US to fight civilized wars then perhaps you should wait for a war with canada,france etc.Anyway i respect what you say and believe ,but the fact is it seems you have never been in a war ,so dont disrespect or punish those who are sacrificing there lives on your behalf for thats the greatest gift one can give you.I am actually wondering now how civilized you would be if you had brothers brought to you killed by those combatants or if you were in a blast that maimed you ,would you still think in the same way?.Did you want the combatants to be captured after battle and given
a hot bath,chicken wings and ice cream what the soldiers did was send a message
,which is a war strategy that if you come to fight, and have sanely made the decision to attack and you are captured then expect the worst! other wise in short dont think you will kill us and get away that easily.


Are you familiar with some little court cases that took place about 60 years ago?
They are called the Nuremburg trials.
I think some of your argument was part of the defense strategies of some of the accused...they were still hung for crimes against humanity.

I find it repugnant that anyone could even attempt to justify actions such as the ones described in the film.

The Geneva Convention describes wartime acts that are unacceptable, this is one of them.

To take the position that I wish to give these Taliban dudes an ice cream cone and a hot bath upon their capture is absurd to the extreme.
When captured American and Canadian troops start showing up in mass graves in retaliation to this atrocity, you can spout off some more about your position that anything goes in war, because the message being sent is we will not treat our prisoners in accordance with international laws.
1351) Message boards : Politics : Afghan Massacre "The Convoy of Death" (Message 918617)
Posted 17 Jul 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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Western morals are fine and are much respected around the world, Its actually what everyone would want the world to be.The problem the war you fighting is a different war non conventional war were the enemy is not clearly or easily seen ,they have no uniforms,the blend into what you call civilians but when you turn your back the kill you. Western morals dont apply to such a war ,unless of course
you want more body bags coming home.Thats why us pulled out of a tiny country like somali after the black hawk went down,Ithink you saw like every one else what morals the somalis had.The problem is if you dont adapt you die its that simple,these people hide weapons in the ground some are innocent others are not,the are related you are a foreigner what do you expect definately most are cooperating.


It would seem that you haven't watched the film.
8,000 combatants surrendered and suddenly 3,000 of them are dead in the desert.
This was not during the heat of battle. This was a mass execution.

The film alleges they were loaded into shipping containers.
When they started crying out for air, holes were shot in the sides of the containers causing the deaths and injuries of those against the containers walls.

The film then claims that the wounded, sick and unconcious were placed in the containers with the dead and were taken into the desert and executed.

I don't give a damn about the actions of other armies, we can't control what they do, but the armies of western democracies are under our control and will conduct themselves in a manner in keeping with our values.

This means that mass murder, genocide, summary executions, rape, looting and other forms of warcrimes are not tolerated.

Everyone who claims the high moral ground is the position we in the west now occupy should be contacting their elected representatives and demanding an international inquiry into the allegations made by the filmaker.

I have already done so.

Let's get to the truth of the matter.
Was this alleged crime the actions of a small number of Afghan soldiers or were there American troops present?

We need to know either way.
1352) Message boards : Politics : Afghan Massacre "The Convoy of Death" (Message 918255)
Posted 15 Jul 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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I agree, There should be an investigation. Just to be clear, does your video have anything to do with this?

NATO has alleged that the Taliban have used civilians as human shields. As an example, NATO pointed to the victims of NATO airstrikes in Farah province in May 2009 in which the Afghan government claimed up to 150 civilians were killed. NATO stated that it had evidence that the Taliban forced civilians into buildings likely to be targeted by NATO aircraft involved in the battle. US Lieutenant Colonel Greg Julian, a spokesman for NATO's Afghanistan commander, General David D. McKiernan, said of the Taliban's tactics, "This was a deliberate plan by the Taliban to create a civilian casualty crisis. These were not human shields; these were human sacrifices. We have intelligence that points to this. Patient after patient just kept telling the doctors their story and how they were forced by the Taliban to stay in these locations."



Afraid not. The documentary I posted a link to refers to the supposed "good guys" taking 3,000 Taliban into the desert in containers and executing them.

The question is, do we drop all pretence of holding the high moral ground against a cowardly opponent and do we as a society accept what is clearly a war crime?
Do our troops then become just as cowardly as the "terrorists"?

Surely, we hold our western values and morals to a higher degree of behaviour than those we are supposed to be fighting.
1353) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Looking For A Hi-Res SETI Background. (Message 917757)
Posted 15 Jul 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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WOW
Outstanding photo Vextor.TV
It's my new background
Thanks much
1354) Message boards : Politics : Afghan Massacre "The Convoy of Death" (Message 917530)
Posted 14 Jul 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8763367484184611493

This link is to a short documentary film that alleges an American military presence at the sight of a warcrime.

I heard the story on "Democracy Now" over the radio today during work.

I will be writing my Member of Parliament to seek pressure for an international investigation of these claims.

There's no proof yet to make a claim one way or the other, but if the American military won't cooperate I believe Canada should withdraw from it's commitments in Afghanistan and rethink it's relationship with the U.S.

This is not the way to bolster human rights and freedom. If the U.S. was not involved, then clearly the Afghans don't get it.
If they don't get it after all this time, what the hell are we doing there?
1355) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Michael Jackson dead? (Message 916066)
Posted 9 Jul 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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Robert, my post wasn't a direct slur to yourself, you are entitled to your own opinion and considering a lot of the evidence it's not one that would be considered unusual in any way. My apols if you thought of it that way. :)

Balveda
Balveda[/color]


No worries Balveda. I took no offense from your post.
It's thoughtful of you to be concerned, thanks for that.


1356) Message boards : Politics : HOME (Message 915936)
Posted 9 Jul 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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YEP! That frontier mentality is certainly still active - BUT us Yanks didn't invent it, corporate greed existed even before the US was a COLONY. Greed has been with us always it's taken many forms and continues to thrive! It NEEDS NO MODEL!



No, you didn't invent the frontier mentality.
Yes, there was corporate greed long before there was an America.

The Americas were the last real frontiers when it came to human territorial expansion onto liveable and useful land.

The point being, American style industrial life has brought the planet to the brink.
This does not fault Americans for doing something that the rest of the industrialized world hasn't done. We've all participated in the industrial life.

It just happens to have been "perfected" by Americans with the rise of oil as an energy source.
The template for industry worldwide has been the American model due to it's successes in production and profits.
Hence the term "American"/industrial lifestyle.

This is my reading of crippler's post. If I'm way off-base, I would ask crippler to correct me.


I would like to take this opportunity to correct something I posted.

The Americas were not the last frontier for human expansion because the continents were already populated at the time of European discovery of them.

I suppose a more correct statement would be the Americas were the last frontier that had not been industrialized, privatized and corporatized at the time of European's discovering them.
1357) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Michael Jackson dead? (Message 915933)
Posted 8 Jul 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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I get the feeling that had he lived, the concerts at the O2 arena would have made him ill anyway, considering the debts and the strain to perform 50 shows, I think the task would have been too much in the end. I'm not a fan, but didn't believe the **** in the press. One can't help feeling that if Michael Jackson, a fellow human being gives people the creeps just for being "different", what hope would visiting aliens have?? Never judge a book by it's cover...

Balveda



I would hope that visiting aliens wouldn't go on national television and talk about sleeping in the same bed with children.

I have no problem with different. You've heard of marching to the tune of a different drummer?
Well, many people in northern BC march to the tune of an entirely different orchestra.

That doesn't make them creepy, just different. They don't give me the creeps.
He did.
1358) Message boards : Politics : Government run single payer healthcare (Message 915220)
Posted 7 Jul 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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Universal single payer means everyone is covered...even those who haven't paid one red cent of taxes.

Were that the system being discussed to be implemented in the USA you would be right. That isn't the system being planned for the USA, so you are wrong.


The direction that the system overlords are allowing to be discussed still involves private insurers. It does not eliminate these insurers from the equation.

Since I am talking about government run universal single payer, under the heading I originally posted under, I am correct.

I am also likely to outlive you because of the health system we have in Canada.



1359) Message boards : Politics : Government run single payer healthcare (Message 915195)
Posted 7 Jul 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
LOL
Monger the fear.

There's nothing to this.
Universal single payer means everyone is covered...even those who haven't paid one red cent of taxes.

The End

The elites and the corporatists don't like it because they lose their front row seats under universal single payer.
1360) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy Birthday Eric Korpela July 3'th... (Message 914155)
Posted 5 Jul 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
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Birthday Greetings and well wishes dude.
1361) Message boards : Politics : cannabis v tobacco/alcohol (Message 913539)
Posted 3 Jul 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Ask why is there poverty?
Ask why is there unemployment?
Your answer might point in the direction of poor education.
Ask why there is poor education or more properly uneven education.

Answer: A caste society.


Q) Why is there poverty?
A) Because the pampered elites refuse to share the wealth generated by the skills and sweat of the working people.

Q) Why is there unemployment?
A) Because the pampered elites need a certain number of desperate working people to undercut wages of those in the workforce. Just as they are doing with the whole concept of globalization, pitting western working people against third world working people who work for pennies a day.

Q) Why is there poor education? (reduced quote)
A) Because the pampered elites require a workforce capable of reading and understanding simple instructions but unable to understand or interpret the causes of and solutions to the very caste system you have spoken of.

A working class with education and the knowledge of it's own history of conflict with those in positions of power over them is a danger to the system.
Every time working people have tried to chart their own destiny in contrast to the wishes and desires of the ruling elites, the end result has been violence in the form of police, private security or national guard armed actions against them.
The system, a self perpetuating and inbred wealthy caste system, sees any attempt toward change as sedition stirred up by socialist or communist agitators.
The simple fact that working people may desire a greater part of the profits from their labours is seen as a threat to the existence of the pampered elites.

For more education and information, read A People's History of the United States by Howard Zinn.
If this book doesn't open your eyes then the poor education and propaganda machines have done a job on you.
I'm just reading it again and I'm even angrier now than the first time.




1362) Message boards : Politics : HOME (Message 913189)
Posted 2 Jul 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
YEP! That frontier mentality is certainly still active - BUT us Yanks didn't invent it, corporate greed existed even before the US was a COLONY. Greed has been with us always it's taken many forms and continues to thrive! It NEEDS NO MODEL!



No, you didn't invent the frontier mentality.
Yes, there was corporate greed long before there was an America.

The Americas were the last real frontiers when it came to human territorial expansion onto liveable and useful land.

The point being, American style industrial life has brought the planet to the brink.
This does not fault Americans for doing something that the rest of the industrialized world hasn't done. We've all participated in the industrial life.

It just happens to have been "perfected" by Americans with the rise of oil as an energy source.
The template for industry worldwide has been the American model due to it's successes in production and profits.
Hence the term "American"/industrial lifestyle.

This is my reading of crippler's post. If I'm way off-base, I would ask crippler to correct me.
1363) Message boards : Politics : HOME (Message 913044)
Posted 1 Jul 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I think the "American"/industrial lifestyle spoken of by crippler (an American according to his profile) is rather self explanatory.

The industrial lifestyle was created by American corporate interests and remains the model for economic growth worldwide.

It's based on the belief that there will always be a new frontier to move into and exploit once resources in the immediate area are exhausted and this new frontier will be clean, untouched and unpolluted.
This frontier mentality is the driving force behind resistance to change in this model.

We cannot continue with the old "business as usual" proccesses that have created the problems facing us now.

There are no more undiscovered territories to exploit. We've reached critical mass. The system must collapse if it cannot change.

For those who believe this is an assault on American values and refuse to look further into what crippler is saying...pull your head out of your arse.
It's a worldwide dilema that just happens to have been caused by a popular industrial strategy created by American business at the beginning of the oil age.
1364) Message boards : Politics : Government run single payer healthcare (Message 913012)
Posted 1 Jul 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I've been watching with great interest while the debate over healthcare in the U.S. has exited the Universal Single Payer path and started down the corporate driven open market competative insurers path.

How has that whole open market thing worked out for many of you up to this point?
How many citizens have been refused healthcare because of the corporate mandated percentage of denials of coverage that are built into the system?

I would suggest to any American citizens interested in Universal Single Payer coverage that they had best start writing their representatives and expressing their desires before the corporate healthcare lobbyists have the house vote giftwrapped and delivered to the privateers.

An opportunity for change like this comes along very seldomly. The moment may not come again for generations.

Make your voice heard while you still can.
1365) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : Gold or something on Moon or Mars... (Message 912431)
Posted 28 Jun 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Like fountains of cold beer.
1366) Message boards : Cafe SETI : . . . 'strange' Things that simply happen (Message 911517)
Posted 26 Jun 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Watch the skies
1367) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Michael Jackson dead? (Message 911502)
Posted 26 Jun 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The guy gave me the creeps.
1368) Message boards : Politics : Government run single payer healthcare (Message 911096)
Posted 25 Jun 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
You health care is not free. Your still paying for it in other ways.


The coverage is universal.
No one is refused, even those with pre-existing conditions are covered.
There is no deductable.

We live longer than Americans.
Our child mortality rates are far lower than America's.
Our poor and our homeless are covered.
No one is forced into bankruptcy or the loss of their home due to medical expenses.

Neo-cons, republicans, libertarians, corporatists and right wingdings hate it because the dirty people are treated at the same levels as the elites.

I never claimed it is free...but I do claim that it's damned fair to all.
I received first class care this morning in a clean hospital by caring healthcare professionals who aren't driven by the profit motive.

It's the 21st century. Time to catch up with the rest of the civilized world America.
Time to start caring for your fellow citizens.

PS: Rent the movie Sicko by Michael Moore if you want to have your eyes opened to the truth about healthcare.
1369) Message boards : Politics : Government run single payer healthcare (Message 910848)
Posted 24 Jun 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Almost every case of a Canadian going to the U.S. for medical treatment is for elective surgery or for something that isn't a priority but they want it immediately.
There are wait lists for joint replacements and things not of a threatening nature.

1370) Message boards : Politics : Government run single payer healthcare (Message 910762)
Posted 24 Jun 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
A few weeks ago I developed a dark, rough lump on my left shoulder.
Yesterday after work I dropped in to my doctor's office to have it examined because of the burning sensation associated with it.

There was no bill for the examination.

I was immediately booked for an appointment in day surgery at the hospital at 8:30 am this morning.

It is now 9:30 am and I have had the lump removed. It's on the way to the lab for a biopsy and I am at home relaxing.

There was no bill for the procedure.

Anyone who listens to the fearmongering garbage related to single payer healthcare that is spouted by the idiots at Fox Network and other similar bastions of right wing crapola should take note that Canada's healthcare system works.

I have no idea as to what the out of pocket costs to the individual would be for this in the U.S. but here in Canada, under government run single payer healthcare, no worries.

1371) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : Pentagon Preps Soldier Telepathy Push (Message 910348)
Posted 23 Jun 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Put a panel with a big red button in a room full of monkies...
eventually one of them will push it.
1372) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : Pentagon Preps Soldier Telepathy Push (Message 910271)
Posted 22 Jun 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

And just how do you intend on stop permitting that isn't itself an act of force?
BORG collective intelligence?


Do we not live in a democratic state? No force is necessary when seeking candidates willing to spearhead the abolition of nuclear, bio and chemical weapons.
Research into technology that leads to killing fellow beings should be outlawed worldwide and the money spent on education and social improvement.

When I think of how many missles are aimed at me at this very moment I get shivers down my spine. This weapons race is mind bogglingly immoral and insane.

Fictional characters aside, collective intelligence is exactly what is needed right now.
The collective intelligence of the world's population can end this madness very quickly if it's mobilized and shown the way.

Screw all the pigs that tell us to live in fear of the boogeyman and destroy the technology of death, destruction and extinction.
1373) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : Pentagon Preps Soldier Telepathy Push (Message 909887)
Posted 21 Jun 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
When will we reach the point where we stop seeking better ways to kill each other?
This arms race mentality serves no purpose beyond the further enrichment of a small number of wealthy, but quite insane men.

Governments that support such research are operating in the interests of a few and are in direct opposition with the good of the people.

We, as a species, must stop permitting madness such as this or we WILL cease to exist.
1374) Message boards : Politics : cannabis v tobacco/alcohol (Message 904658)
Posted 7 Jun 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Some causes are unemployment, poor education, poverty, hopelessness and a feeling of disconnection with the greater part of society.

People who feel they have no stake in the big picture are more likely to go down the path of substance abuse.
Someone with a decent education, a secure union job and a feeling that they have something to work for and contribute to are more likely to avoid destructive behaviours.

Find ways to remove social problems and less people will become social problems.
1375) Message boards : Politics : Color pictures of Hitler.......... (Message 904282)
Posted 6 Jun 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The photos are what they are
I don't agree with msattler on many issues but in no way has he portraid Hitler in a positive manner in this thread.
These are photos taken during one of the worst episodes in modern human history and were offered with no commentary.
1376) Message boards : Number crunching : waiting for validation (Message 902987)
Posted 2 Jun 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'm also sitting on several AP's that were sent to wingmen with 0 RAC and the only thing I can do is wait for them to work through the system.
Once the expiry date comes, the WU will be sent to another wingman and the whole process starts again...until a working computer returns the completed work.

Patience Grasshopper...all is well
1377) Message boards : Politics : cannabis v tobacco/alcohol (Message 902971)
Posted 2 Jun 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I've stated before that I don't use cannabis...so I really don't have a dog in this fight.
I can state with some degree of certainty that my opinion isn't coming from a pot induced fog.

I simply think it's time to end the prohibition by admitting that the billions of dollars spent in this "War on Drugs" over the decades has been a waste of time and resources.

Decriminalize the stuff, collect the taxes from the sales, eliminate the dealers and let people who enjoy a toke relax in their own homes.

It's no skin off my nose.
1378) Message boards : Cafe SETI : This is me.............. (Message 902219)
Posted 31 May 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'm sensitive..........and I kinda like to stay that wa7lllllllll

Does anybody here understand ne???



Since you did ask the question...I'm gonna have to say, no I don't understand what this is all about.

I'm forced to assume there's a thumping headache involved at the end of the story.
1379) Message boards : Cafe SETI : I don't know what cross-credit claims are....... (Message 902216)
Posted 31 May 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
My reading of your post would seem to indicate concern that some of your work is being credited to teams you never signed up with.

The teams and sites you listed from the "preferences" link are simply links to sites which offer stats for BOINC users.
None of your computer time or credit is going to them.
1380) Message boards : Politics : Police: Kansas abortion physician killed (Message 902209)
Posted 31 May 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Can't wait to hear the justification of this one from the rapture kooks.
Kill em all...let God sort them out.
oops...I forgot that they also believe "Thou shalt not kill"

Seems they can't live up to their own standards.

The really sad part is the religious right will secretly and very privately be rejoicing in this MURDER while publically denouncing it.
1381) Message boards : Politics : cannabis v tobacco/alcohol (Message 902204)
Posted 31 May 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
You can keep throwing young lives in the garbage because of possession of a baggy of pot or you can end the prohibition and treat cannabis like alcohol.

One way ensures a steady prison population for the private prison industry while the other admits defeat on the war on cannabis and allows people to not carry a federal rap against them for smoking some spleef once in a while.

I'd say that the number of people doing time for holding a bag of pot should be a fair indication that it is part of the culture, whether you personally use it or not.
1382) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : special relativity (Message 899959)
Posted 27 May 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The links provided by Dirk were the most clear explanations of relativity I've seen.
The visuals used really made the issue clearer to me than I hoped possible.
Even my old monkey brain seemed to grasp the concept finally. (this doesn't imply that I can now write a thesis on the subject, but I'm no longer stupified by the basics)

Thank you Dirk

I knew I would get great responses from this crowd.

1383) Message boards : Cafe SETI : A Joe Cocker translator has been developed (Message 898388)
Posted 22 May 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
LOL
You can't say that Cocker doesn't give it his all when he's up singing.
Sometimes he's like a worm on a hook.

No insult intended to Joe. He's great.
I think he's doing a gig in Vancouver next week and I wish I could go see him.
1384) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : special relativity (Message 898385)
Posted 22 May 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Einstein's relativity states that the speed of light is the same for all observers, no matter what their relative speeds.

This is the statement that throws me off so hard.

I can understand doppler effects and speed relative to the source, but I can't fathom how light speed can be said to be the same no matter the relative speed of all involved in observing the same beam.

Where's Spock when you need him?
1385) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : special relativity (Message 898331)
Posted 22 May 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
If you are traveling at the speed of light, and you shine a light forward, the light emitted would travel forward with you at the same speed.



Then the speed of light isn't the same for all observers, no matter what their relative speed.
As an observer travelling at the speed of light, the light I shine forward would appear to be standing still.

At the same time, were I able to shine a light backward, it would appear from my vantage point that the light moved away at light speed but to a stationary observer the light would appear to be standing still.

RRRRR
I'd better do the recommended reading before my head pops.
1386) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : special relativity (Message 898314)
Posted 22 May 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Can one of the more learned members please help me get my head around the idea of special relativity please?

Einstein's relativity states that the speed of light is the same for all observers, no matter what their relative speeds.

I can't understand how this can be true for an observer travelling toward a light source.
If the observer is travelling at .5 the speed of light, why wouldn't the approaching light appear to be travelling at 1.5 times light speed?

If that same observer, while travelling at .5 light speed were to shine a light forward, wouldn't a second observer in a stationary position directly ahead not see light approaching at 1.5 light speed?

Is the light emitted from a moving object not subject to the addition momentum of it's source?
Would light emitted from something already moving at light speed simply stand still or would it be projected at light speed relative to it's source?

Wouldn't this lead to an outside observer seeing light travelling at twice the speed of light?

Jeez, I hope this is clear enough to answer.

Mods...I meant to place this in the non-SETI science forum...you can move it if you want to.
1387) Questions and Answers : Wish list : Astropulse takes too long to calculate (Message 898165)
Posted 22 May 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
My machine has been happily boincing away on AP and since I turned CUDA off my RAC has increased. Go figure.

The bottom line is, we're here to aid SETI in their task.
Whatever the project requires of my computer they can have.

It's about aiding science and the brain guys behind it.
1388) Message boards : Cafe SETI : 10th anniversary T-shirts (How to order) (Message 897684)
Posted 21 May 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Where are the t-shirts made?
I'm 6'2 and 250 lbs
That's an XL if made in America, but a double or even triple X if made overseas.

Another issue for us big guys is that it's very hard to find bell-bottom t-shirts.
1389) Message boards : Cafe SETI : A Joe Cocker translator has been developed (Message 897680)
Posted 21 May 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.elwp.com/Joe%20Cocker.html

All these years I thought there was something wrong with my hearing.
Turns out that Joe was just pulling lyrics out of his behind. LOL

1390) Message boards : Politics : Military Police Document (Message 892994)
Posted 9 May 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Does anyone else think the elites are fearing a second American Revolution?
1391) Message boards : Politics : Teenager Shot by Vigilante (Message 892392)
Posted 7 May 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Jay
You say you took an oath to defend the constitution.

If gun control is brought forward by means of a constitutional amendment that eliminates the 2nd amendment and also satisfies the Supreme Court, would you hand over your weapons?

Or would you bury them somewhere close by?
1392) Message boards : Politics : Teenager Shot by Vigilante (Message 891856)
Posted 6 May 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Guns are a tool, a remote hole punch, if you will. They may be used to kill humans, certainly, but also to kill animals for food or to remove a non-human threat - poisonous reptiles being the primary category here in South Texas.

I choose to be armed, as is my unalienable right, recognized (not granted, recognized) by the US Constitution. Like many millions of other currently law-abiding gun owners in the US, I have made a firm decision that I will not be disarmed, nor will I be unduly hindered in my choice of firearms regardless of what some silly bozo politician may decide.


A gun is a weapon, not a tool.
You would not use your "remote hole punch" if you lost weight and needed to make a new hole in your belt.

The only uses you listed for your "tool" are killing.

I always chuckle when some of you gun types make a big deal about being "law abiding" while going on to state that no one will take your guns away.

If gun control laws are passed in the U.S. are you still going to be proudly law abiding or are you going to choose to be a criminal by keeping your weapons?


1393) Message boards : Politics : A short essay on why regulation is needed (Message 891147)
Posted 4 May 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/5/3/724370/-How-Freedom-Was-Lost

In trying to do our homework, to be informed as citizens of a western democracy, we sometimes come across writers who can put an issue into perspective better than many others.

This piece articulates the needs of the people for government protections from corporate profiteering better than anything I've read.
1394) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Swine Flu - media hype? (Message 890638)
Posted 2 May 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

My dad never liked Me saying this, But... So what? It's not like He stole anything, He's making the money honestly and that's to be admired.


Another pandemic hysteria in the media does nothing but increase the fortunes of those who created the scare.

I believe these annual pandemic outbursts are manipulated by those with the most to gain financially and I don't find it honest or admirable in any way.
1395) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Swine Flu - media hype? (Message 890236)
Posted 1 May 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Rumsfeld was Chairman of the Board at the company that produces Tamiflu.

He holds an estimated $20 million in shares in the company.

Every time there is a pandemic scare, he receives another Brinks truck full of money.
1396) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Swine Flu - media hype? (Message 890225)
Posted 1 May 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Every year 36,000 people die in the U.S. from influenza.
EVERY YEAR! 36,000 American people die from influenza!

This is nothing
Get off the hype train and stop making Rumsfeld richer by helping spread panic.

"The only thing we have to fear, is fear itself." FDR

ACHOO! Oh God! I'm gonna die!
1397) Message boards : Politics : Teenager Shot by Vigilante (Message 890215)
Posted 1 May 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Robert, why don't you close this thread until the trial, but open up a second amendment one if you want.


I ask for a news link and you give a link soliciting money to defend Batman?
Sorry, but I'm fresh out of wooden nickels.

As to your suggestion about closing this down.
Like all good conversations, the topic wanders as new points are brought up.
If someone wishes to start another thread on the 2nd amendment, go at it, but I'll leave this open in case anyone has anything else to say, no matter where it leads.


1398) Message boards : Politics : Teenager Shot by Vigilante (Message 890062)
Posted 1 May 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I suppose we could start by eliminating clock towers...LOL

I'm just wondering if there have been any more newspaper stories since the last link was posted...regarding the kid who was shot dead by a 2nd amendment wielding vigilanty.
1399) Message boards : Politics : Teenager Shot by Vigilante (Message 889754)
Posted 30 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Yes, you definitely need to get some rest since you seem to forget that you're the one who decided to lump mass-murder and simple killers together.



Simply to make the point that one cannot kill 20 people from a clock tower by throwing knives.


1400) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Swine Flu - media hype? (Message 889750)
Posted 30 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The cartoon guy with a sandwich board reading THE SKY IS FALLING will eventually be vindicated when an asteroid hits the Earth.

When will that be?
Could be today, could be in 100,000 years.

Right now, the corporate media is that cartoon guy.

No one ever fears the cartoon guy but I'm viewing breathless television reports, hearing seriously tense radio reports and reading headline banners in newspapers with photos of frightened, mask-wearing people.

I choose to not live in fear and have no other comment on this yearly, and very predictable, pandemic scare.
1401) Message boards : Politics : Teenager Shot by Vigilante (Message 889548)
Posted 29 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'm too tired from working all night to even attempt to explain the difference between a moment of passion or psychosis where someone grabs a gun and wigs out and a truck bomb that takes days/weeks to plan and build.

So keep presenting your case until you get to home made hydrogen bombs.
Which, by the way, is not a 2nd amendment right, as much as the rapture kooks would like to make it so.
1402) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Swine Flu - media hype? (Message 889503)
Posted 29 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'm not sure when the pandemic scares started but for at least the past decade there has been a pandemic scare in the media every year.

I've decided that Big Pharma creates incredible profits for itself by promoting the pandemic scares.
Donald Rumsfeld is involved with the Tami Flu company and is no stranger to scare tactics. (see the Bush administration tactical playbook)

Living in fear has become so common for so many for so long, that they don't remember not living in fear.

Time for everyone to stop thinking like potential victims and ignore the fear mongers.
You can't go through life wrapped up in plastic like a weird aunt's sofa.
Even the healthy people are going to die someday.
1403) Message boards : Politics : Teenager Shot by Vigilante (Message 889493)
Posted 29 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The argument that killers will simply make use of another weapon sounds kind of silly in the face of the mass murders of late.

I can't see someone throwing knives from a clock tower or going through a school / workplace stabbing dozens of people without being overpowered rather quickly.
1404) Message boards : Politics : Teenager Shot by Vigilante (Message 889350)
Posted 29 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


You may WISH the Second Amendment would go away, but it will not, and it means just exactly what it says.



The problem is, I read it and see that it clearly states that the right to bear arms is there to enable a well regulated militia...while others read it and come to the conclusion that everyone and their dog can pack automatic assault weapons.

So it seems that does not mean what it says because we can't seem to agree on what it says.

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

If this was meant to speak to the right of citizen's as individuals to bear arms, why start the amendment with the words "A well regulated militia"?

The second part of the sentence states "being necessary to the security of a free state" doesn't mention the freedom of the individual but the collective freedom of the citizens of the state.

So a well regulated militia is necessary to protect the freedom of the state.

To protect that freedom, the right of the people, as represented by their well regulated militia, shall not be infringed.

Having said all this, I realize that the 2nd amendment has been interpreted by the United States Supreme Court to allow citizens the same rights as their militias.

This still doesn't address the problem of a citizen shooting a kid in the street.
America is a nation of laws. The kid was denied his due proccess.
He was not found guilty by a jury of his peers, rather, he was found guilty by a guy with a gun.

Having been found guilty by this guy with a gun, the sentence was death.
Now we find the kid has also been denied his right of appeal, which even the most brutal criminals on Death Row are permitted.







1405) Message boards : Politics : Teenager Shot by Vigilante (Message 889213)
Posted 28 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

I think what must cheese off some people is the Second Amendment presupposes that a person is responsible enough to have self control absent some government central planning committee.


I'm not familiar with the name Paul Kersey.
I do know the name Bruce Wayne as the fictional character in Batman.
I can only assume there's a Batman connection between the names.

I'm quoting you here because I'd like you to explain how the 2nd amendment explains the shooter's self control in this case.

Using a gun, he killed a kid.





1406) Message boards : Politics : Teenager Shot by Vigilante (Message 889014)
Posted 28 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Interesting interpretation of the meaning.

My dictionary says:
a body of citizens enrolled in military service but serving full time only in emergencies.

This fits the meaning and intent of the term "well regulated militia" somewhat better.

I would feel safer in the knowledge that the people carrying weapons in the streets were trained and professional, with training in law and training in how to deal with various situations.

Your version offers us pick-up trucks with a dozen drunken Bubbas riding in the back shooting out the street lights.
1407) Message boards : Politics : Teenager Shot by Vigilante (Message 888805)
Posted 27 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
That's why I said the National Guard when speaking of a well regulated militia.

A bunch of beer buzzed kookoo's in the woods wearing cammo and armed to the teeth is not my idea of a well regulated militia.

But it is what you end up with when the second amendment is misinterpreted and allowed to apply to individuals.
1408) Message boards : Politics : Teenager Shot by Vigilante (Message 888795)
Posted 27 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.


The amendment clearly states "A well regulated militia".
I find no reference to Batman wanna-be's.

This amendment is not meant to allow the people as individuals the "right...to keep and bear arms", rather it is intended to permit entities such as the National Guard on behalf of the people to keep and bear arms.

Individual citizens certainly do not constitute a well regulated militia.
They do, however, constitute a well armed mob.
1409) Message boards : SETI@home Science : New pictures of SATURN's RINGS, among other things (Message 888640)
Posted 27 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Outstanding
Thanks
1410) Message boards : Politics : Teenager Shot by Vigilante (Message 888453)
Posted 26 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Quite often it's not the criminals fault. It's his parents fault.


This may apply to some extent in this case as it relates to a teenager, but I am soooo tired of hearing this and other excuses for lawless behavior. Bottom line, personal responsibility. At some point the individual MUST be responsible for their own actions, regardless of whether the head cheerleader in high school refused to date them, or Mommy was mean, or their itsy-bitsy self-esteem was crushed because they had pimples. Tough! Grow up! Anything else it just whining drivel.

I don't care why a rattlesnake strikes or a mad dog bites, the appropriate response is the same in either case immediate action to remove the threat. And that is bearing in mind that those animals REALLY do have an excuse, which humans do not.


This is why we have different courts and sentencing systems for adult and juvenials (spelling?)

There is a point where the parents are not to blame and I'm of the opinion that the kid who was shot was past that point.

Whatever

The issue is whether he deserved a death penalty for breaking into a car.

1411) Message boards : Politics : Teenager Shot by Vigilante (Message 887810)
Posted 24 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Gary
I'm not being a jerk here...but I have no idea as to what this last post of yours means or says.

1412) Message boards : Politics : cannabis v tobacco/alcohol (Message 887807)
Posted 24 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Here's a link to an interesting site...
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php
1413) Message boards : Politics : Teenager Shot by Vigilante (Message 887799)
Posted 24 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
You guys are cracking me up.

Everyone has the right to defend themselves and their property.
However, everyone does not have the right to take to the streets, gun in hand, to seek out evildoers.

You are really stretching the limits of credibility to equate my position that agrees with the right to protect one's self in one's own home with some deluded crazy self-righteous gun packin' vigilante who takes to the streets under cover of darkness to hand out instant justice as he sees fit.

What the hell are we talking about? It sounds like this guy thinks he's Batman.

The difference between the two scenerios is quite evident.
In my scenerio, the problem came looking for me in my own home.
In the other scenerio, the shooter went outside his home and property, after arming himself, and sought out the confrontation himself.
1414) Message boards : Politics : Teenager Shot by Vigilante (Message 887442)
Posted 23 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
That twist in the logic stream was beautiful Tom. This guy is not like me.

When kids were breaking into my neighbor's car directly across the street from me, I did NOT grab a weapon and go after them.
I yelled to "get out of there or I'll put the dogs on you, and when the dogs are done with you I'll phone the police."

The kids left.

No one died.

The only time I mentioned beating someone was in reference to encountering them in my own home.

I did not leave the sanctity and safety of my home to seek a confrontation on someone else's property.

1415) Message boards : Politics : Teenager Shot by Vigilante (Message 887328)
Posted 22 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Why aren't you equally angry at this kids parents?



After all the things you've posted about the deadbeats in your own family are you really sure that we should start blaming family members for the deeds of others in their gene pool?

Is it true that you are to blame for your drunken, pot smoking, cheque bouncing, child molesting brothers?

Even though you've told us all about them in a previous thread and have expressed great anger in regard to their actions, can I ask you this?

Do they deserve to die?

Would you be so pro-shooter if one of the people ripped off by your brother's forgery schemes felt entitled to shoot him dead in the street?

How about the parents of the child molestation victim?
Should they be allowed to hand out capital punishment for what they believe is a wrong against their family?

Where's the line Tom?


1416) Message boards : Politics : Teenager Shot by Vigilante (Message 887312)
Posted 22 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:






You have just proved my point Robert, you are another that would not take having your stuff stolen without violent opposition, and that is a perfectly normal, expected response.

As you state you would seek only to "beat the crap" out of someone. You could just as easily wind up dead. The thief could wind up dead, and you would be a murderer under Canadian law.

So I am not going to condemn the shooter in this case, nor am I calling him a hero. If he had simply wanted to kill someone he could have come out shooting, apparently he didn't. He was in a confrontation, and whether fear or anger caused him to pull the trigger no one will ever know.

But I do not have any sympathy for the thieves at all, and lay everything that happened at their feet.

As I said before, don't poke the Grizzly Bear with a short stick. What you are asking is for us to cage the bear after he has took someone's head off. Will that be a lesson to all Grizzly Bears not to take peoples heads off? No. Will putting this guy in jail prevent another thief getting shot?

Why aren't you equally angry at this kids parents?



I don't see how your point is proven by my response Tom.
Putting my knuckles into someone's face is nothing close to shooting them.

There's a vast difference between force and deadly force and the use of a gun in a confrontation over the contents of a neighbor's car is cowardly and uncalled for.




1417) Message boards : Politics : Teenager Shot by Vigilante (Message 886855)
Posted 21 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
"Again, the bottom line is the shooter had no place being out in the streets to take the law into his own hands."

As opposed to - the victim had no place being out in the streets stealing from others at 3 am in the morning?

Who caused the shooter to be outside at 3 am in a confrontation?

Is it okay to steal from people? Is it okay to provoke others to violence?

Do I have your word you will do nothing if I steal your stuff? How many times can I steal from you before you get upset? Once, twice, three times?

Will you be mad at me for taking your car? Your furniture? Your medicine? According to your reasoning I should be allowed to clean you out every time you accumulate something without worrying about your reaction to it. Because you are going to call the cops on me. They will show up after a while and let you fill out some forms. Maybe they will loan you a pencil since I already took yours.

By the way how new is your computer? I have a friend that will give me a few bucks for one, no questions asked.



Taking my stuff is not punishable by death.
I might very well beat the living crap out of you if I found you in my house, but I would not end your life.

Some idiot going into the street like Yosemite Sam is not a hero.
1418) Message boards : Politics : Teenager Shot by Vigilante (Message 886554)
Posted 20 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The difference being...civil liberties are good for people while the NRA is just a front for the gun lobby.
1419) Message boards : Politics : Teenager Shot by Vigilante (Message 886503)
Posted 19 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'm not going to enter into the magic bullet argument.

I had a hunch that the shooter fired first and asked questions later and I still believe that is what happened.
You see, I believe that most people who arm themselves before a confrontation are cowards, and this seems to be consistant with that theory.

Again, the bottom line is the shooter had no place being out in the streets to take the law into his own hands.
More often than not, something like this happens.

Next we'll be informed that the NRA is providing legal assistance for the guy.
1420) Message boards : Politics : Teenager Shot by Vigilante (Message 886361)
Posted 18 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Well
It seems that this is a case of self righteous assassination.

I don't care what anyone says about the number of times this kid broke the law, he did not deserve the death penalty.

I suspected from the start that first shot would be in his side and the second in his back when I considered how the thing would have played out.
The kid was leaning into the car when the shooter first fired and then running away when the second shot was fired.

What a heroic figure this vigilante must be.
If he's so very righteous and secure in his position that the kid had it coming, why lie about the kid charging toward him?

Is the shooter now going to claim the kid was charging toward him screaming "I'll get you!" while spinning around like a figure skater?
1421) Message boards : Politics : Teenager Shot by Vigilante (Message 886282)
Posted 18 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The evidence I'll be waiting to see is the entry wounds.

If the wounds are anywhere but straight in from directly in front the kid was not approaching the shooter.

Even this is not proof that the kid was moving forward when shot but will be consistant with the statement of the shooter.
1422) Message boards : Politics : Teenager Shot by Vigilante (Message 885745)
Posted 16 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I don't agree that the discussion was over.

I'm just throwing this out there to see if anyone wishes to continue posting their thoughts on the topic.

I'm more interseted in the legalities and morality of someone taking the law into their own hands, no matter what the level of frustration or degree of hearsay evidence within the area of the incident.

Shooting a kid for a minor property crime is over the top. There is no justification for such an act.

The fact that those who seemed to be defending the act of shooting the kid relied on hearsay evidence as partial reason tells me that they can find no legal precident to back their positions and must add filler to make their case.

Hearsay evidence is not pemitted in courtrooms for the very reason that stories are imbellished with each retelling.
Everyone feels the need to add something to the story to make it more compelling.


1423) Message boards : Politics : the Wiretapping Cover-Up‏ (Message 885026)
Posted 13 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Keep posting articles like this ML

I fear the Obama administration isn't going to yield this powerful weapon without some level of indication from the people that they aren't going to tolerate these invasions into their privacy.

Until there are mass demonstrations against these intrusions, the public will be thought of as compliant and willing to surrender their rights.
1424) Message boards : Politics : Teenager shot--shooter charged (Message 884143)
Posted 11 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Familywise, you have Dad taking care of the kids while Mom is shacking up with a neighbor down the street...Hindsight is 20/20 but I just have to wonder if a more stable home life could've prevented this.


I saw no mention of this in the article.

I can only assume this is speculation on the part of those trying to show how immoral the kids parents were to somehow create a second class citizen out of him so he deserves what he got.

Kids from good God fearin' homes would never do this.


1425) Message boards : Politics : Teenager shot--shooter charged (Message 884102)
Posted 10 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Have you ever heard the words "Rule of Law"?
Citizens do not have the right to go into the streets and divy out justice.

It wasn't the shooter's property.
The shooter was not in danger in his own home.
There were no other weapons being used.

Some of you can attempt to justify the shooting until you're blue in the face. You're wrong.

The only way some of you would ever concede this point would be in the case where you yourself were shot by some vigilanty.
Whether it be mistaken identity or a misreading of the situation, some fool with a gun, cloaked in self righteous indignation, could kill you in the street for no reason beyond his own belief that you had committed a crime.

Is that the sort of society you guys are calling for???

Ya Tom, we have a few idiots in Canada who think like you when it comes to shoot first and ask questions later.
But I think you win when it comes to shear numbers.
Thanks to the NRA for all of their efforts to keep America safe. LOL
1426) Message boards : Politics : Teenager shot--shooter charged (Message 883860)
Posted 10 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:



A guy I work with-his wife is a schoolteacher who taught the kid who was killed. She had him in Special Ed. (not saying Special Education kids are bad at all) and he was constantly a source of frustration for her. Cocky, not-caring attitude....she said it's not a surprise he got into trouble but she had hoped it wouldn't happen so soon


Good thing he was shot and killed. Sounds like he deserves what he got.
Society can't condone a teenager who's frustrating and cocky with a not-caring attitude.

OOPS... sounds like we've just allowed every teenager in the world to be shot on sight.

How does this differ from the thread lamenting the stoning to death of a woman who was raped?
How does a society condone the killing of a child for an act of stupidity?
Neither situation calls for the eventual outcomes.

Capital punishment is wrong.

No one, not even the state, has the right to take away a person's life.

Anyone who thinks this is some form of justice is bent out of shape far beyond my ability to fix in a forum such as this.

I do find it strange that Americans can get angry at the death of a woman, at the hand of the state, for being raped in a Middle Eastern country but feel it's allright to shoot and kill a kid for breaking into a car.

I can only assume that a couple of CD's and a pack of smokes are more valuable than a life in the United States of America.

Canadian and proud of it.

You guys can keep on shooting each other as much as you want but please stop trying to lay that morality crap on the rest of the world.


1427) Message boards : Politics : cannabis v tobacco/alcohol (Message 883303)
Posted 8 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Tom, time for a prediction:
You may as well resin up your bat and fill the Zippo because you're going to see cannabis decriminalized within your lifetime.

It'll probably happen here in Canada first.
1428) Message boards : Politics : cannabis v tobacco/alcohol (Message 883207)
Posted 8 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Tom
You aren't going to save anyone by continuing the prohibition on cannabis.
Under this present state, a young college kid caught with a baggy of weed carries this criminal record around for life.

The cop who made the bust could have been out drinking his face off with the procecutor and the judge the night before with no social stigma or repercussions for doing so.

Let's end the prohibition and admit defeat in this "War on Drugs" where it applies to cannabis.
1429) Message boards : Politics : Teenager shot--shooter charged (Message 882977)
Posted 7 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
When did breaking into a car become worthy of capital punishment?

Of course the shooter has been charged, rightly so.
1430) Message boards : Politics : cannabis v tobacco/alcohol (Message 882975)
Posted 7 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


I don't know what it is that makes you so angry, besides the deadbeats in your family, but all of the other "what if" stuff you've posted seem a little over the top.


I'll simply quote myself and stand by my statements.


1431) Message boards : Politics : Obama Refuses Return of Tarp Money (Message 882599)
Posted 5 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Whatever
These guys have proven to the world that they are incapable of being allowed to carry on as usual.

Time for an intervention.
1432) Message boards : Politics : cannabis v tobacco/alcohol (Message 882598)
Posted 5 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
You can push people only so far Robert. History and headlines reflect that fact.

"Well, you can't force the idle rich into getting a job down at the carwash or the corner 7/11. All that does is take jobs away from those who really need them.
Personally, I'd like to see them picking up dog poop in the parks. LOL"

What if someone violently opposes being forced to pick up dog poop for your personal amusement?

If someone decided to take 90% of your money for political reasons, how quiet would you be? Would you meekly hand it over? What if the same politician gave out your name for public derision? If you suddenly were receiving death threats against you and your family because someone was going to get a few votes out of it?

What if a politician had you fired? Closed the business you work for? Finacially ruined you? No hard feelings? Thats life?

I guess one could always smoke a joint anc chill out. But then what would they buy it with?


There's a lot of "what if's" in this response.

What if the prohibition on cannabis was removed and the world kept turning?
What if everyone just kept going on with their lives and less kids were thrown in prison?

I don't know what it is that makes you so angry, besides the deadbeats in your family, but all of the other "what if" stuff you've posted seem a little over the top.

The only death threats I've seen have been in your posts.

Here's a bit of advice that may help you get through the day.
Live your life and let others live their's.

If someone wants to twist up a fat one it's none of your business. period.
1433) Message boards : Politics : cannabis v tobacco/alcohol (Message 882361)
Posted 4 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
That's certainly more poetic than your post in the other thread stating you'd bludgeon someone to death or burn down their shop while they're still in it if they were selling cannabis legally if the prohibition were lifted.

You seem to have greater problems to deal with than decriminalization of cannabis.
1434) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Skildude needs our thoughts and prayers (Message 882359)
Posted 4 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I am so sorry Skildude
I don't pray, but just know that I wish the best for the both of you.

Be attentive and take care of your wife, this will be harder for her.
1435) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What Is Your Weather Like? III (Message 882215)
Posted 4 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
3:30am and it's -9C
The weatherman is calling for 6C during the day

Goodnight
1436) Message boards : Politics : cannabis v tobacco/alcohol (Message 882173)
Posted 4 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Alcohol is legal
Has your doctor gulped a few quick shots before operating on you?
C'mon people, the world won't slip into reefer madness if the stuff is decriminalized.

Get off the fear wagon.
1437) Message boards : Politics : Michael Moore's latest letter (Message 881822)
Posted 2 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I just tossed it out there for general information.
I'm pretty sure most people aren't on his mailing list.

1438) Message boards : Politics : cannabis v tobacco/alcohol (Message 881821)
Posted 2 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
retired ok,rich people, little work don´t hurt them,increasing taxation cause you are not so productive member of community if you are high.




Well, you can't force the idle rich into getting a job down at the carwash or the corner 7/11. All that does is take jobs away from those who really need them.
Personally, I'd like to see them picking up dog poop in the parks. LOL

As we all would hope, people using cannabis would be doing it in a manner similar to going out for a drink on Friday or Saturday night after a hard week of work.
What you do to relax over the weekend doesn't interfere with your productivity at work during the week.

Still, I could live with the restrictions you've mentioned if it would end the prohibition on pot.
As people get more comfortable with the situation, changes in regulations could gradually be brought forth.


1439) Message boards : Politics : cannabis v tobacco/alcohol (Message 881592)
Posted 2 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
ok, how about this, the government is only one who can grow marijuana legally,
and it will sell it so cheap that it will make it nonprofitable to anyone else, but you have to have permit to use it, which don´t cost you a thing, and then you can buy it and smoke it as much you like, but the more you use it , the more you have to pay taxes, by the way , i forgot to mention that you have to have job to be able to buy it, if you don´t have you can´t buy it, if you lose your job cause of smoking, you cant buy more til you have new job, and of course
if your job is something to do with risk of hurting other people, driver or..., you have to pass drug test every morning blah blah and so on. illegal growing and you go to jail, break those rules and you go to jail etc..


OK, interesting angles.
Government grown is fine with me.
I don't see the need for a permit, free or otherwise.

Why an increasing taxation scale? Couldn't you get around that by asking non-smokers to buy it for you?

Why do you have to have a job? Would you deny retired people or those on disability? What about rich people living on their inheritence?
A part time bartender can buy some but a multi-millionaire cannot?

Jail terms for growing it yourself would be no different than arresting mooshiners, so I suppose that could work.

I think limiting it in the same way liqour is regulated would be sufficient.
It's the fairest means of controlling it's usage while still making it available to all adults.
1440) Message boards : Politics : cannabis v tobacco/alcohol (Message 881582)
Posted 2 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
i have always thought it would be great for user of those to shoot video that you could watch later (yes, i know it would be boring to watch, but hey it is boring to watch live too) and find out how marvelously clever you are in "high", even it seems rather"down" to outside viewer.


aristo, you are correct.
In a perfect world, there would be none of this going on.

The reality of the situation is that we are not in that perfect world and are forced to deal with the way things really are.
The demand for illicit drugs is driving these gang wars over the profits created by prohibition.
Prohibition isn't working. It never has and it never will.

How do we lessen the dangers of gang warfare over control of the cannabis trade?
How do we take back control of the streets?
How do we stop the flow of money to the drug lords?

"Just Say No" didn't seem to stop anything.
DEA ATF FBI and any number of lettered agencies have not decreased usage or stopped the killings.
What good are sealed borders when a product can be grown locally?

There has to be a better answer than the so called "War On Drugs".
1441) Message boards : Politics : Fun With Libertarian Policies (Message 881577)
Posted 2 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
It is only a slight exaggeration to say that mankind constitutes even now a planetary community of production and consumption. I have now reached the point where I may indicate briefly what to me constitutes the essence of the crisis in our time. It concerns the relationship of the individual to society. The individual has become more conscious than ever of his dependence upon society. But he does not experience this dependence as a positive asset, as an organic tie, as a protective force, but rather as a threat to his natural rights, or even to his economic existence. Moreover, his position in society is such that the egotistical drives of his make-up are constantly being accentuated, while his social drives, which are by nature weaker, progressively deteriorate. All human beings, whatever their position in society, are suffering from this process of deterioration. Unknowingly prisoners of their own egotism, they feel insecure, lonely, and deprived of the naive, simple and unsophisticated enjoyment of life. Man can find meaning in life, short and perilous as it is, only through devoting himself to society.
The economic anarchy of capitalist society as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evil. (Albert Einstein, 1949)

Thanks Al
I couldn't have said it better myself.
1442) Message boards : Politics : cannabis v tobacco/alcohol (Message 881541)
Posted 2 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
While I'm all for ending the prohibition on cannabis, I've come to the realization that it could be very dangerous to individuals participating in the legal transaction of this drug should the prohibition be repealed.

In another thread, one writer considers murder and arson as reasonable responses to transactions involving the legal sale of cannabis, should the prohibition be repealed.

While this writer feels very strongly about the use of pot, he doesn't seem to have the same level of contempt toward alcohol.
His signature at the bottom of all of his posts warns against excessive drinking because you may miss while shooting at the taxman.

Everything I've said here is located elsewhere in this forum...so I think there's no harm, no foul.
1443) Message boards : Politics : Michael Moore's latest letter (Message 881534)
Posted 2 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Friends,

Nothing like it has ever happened. The President of the United States, the elected representative of the people, has just told the head of General Motors -- a company that's spent more years at #1 on the Fortune 500 list than anyone else -- "You're fired!"

I simply can't believe it. This stunning, unprecedented action has left me speechless for the past two days. I keep saying, "Did Obama really fire the chairman of General Motors? The wealthiest and most powerful corporation of the 20th century? Can he do that? Really? Well, damn! What else can he do?!"

This bold move has sent the heads of corporate America spinning and spewing pea soup. Obama has issued this edict: The government of, by, and for the people is in charge here, not big business. John McCain got it. On the floor of the Senate he asked, "What does this signal send to other corporations and financial institutions about whether the federal government will fire them as well?" Senator Bob Corker said it "should send a chill through all Americans who believe in free enterprise." The stock market plunged as the masters of the universe asked themselves, "Am I next?" And they whispered to each other, "What are we going to do about this Obama?"

Not much, fellows. He has the massive will of the American people behind him -- and he has been granted permission by us to do what he sees fit. If you liked this week's all-net 3-pointer, stay tuned.

I write this letter to you in memory of the hundreds of thousands of workers over the past 25+ years who have been tossed into the trash heap by General Motors. Many saw their lives ruined for good. They turned to alcohol or drugs, their marriages fell apart, some took their own lives. Most moved on, moved out, moved over, moved away. They ended up working two jobs for half the pay they were getting at GM. And they cursed the CEO of GM for bringing ruin to their lives.

Not one of them ever thought that one day they would witness the CEO receive the same treatment. Of course Chairman Wagoner will not have to sign up for food stamps or be evicted from his home or tell his kids they'll be going to the community college, not the university. Instead, he will get a $23 million golden parachute. But the slip in his hands is still pink, just like the hundreds of thousands that others received -- except his was issued by us, via the Obama-man. Here's the door, buster. See ya. Don't wanna be ya.

I began my day today in Washington, D.C. I went to the U.S. Senate and got into their Finance Committee's hearing on the Wall Street bailout. The overseers wanted to know how the banks spent the money. And many of these banks won't tell them. They've taken trillions and nobody knows where the money went. It certainly didn't go to create jobs, relieve mortgage holders, or free up loans that people need. It was so shocking to listen to this, I had to leave before it was over. But it gave me an idea for the movie I was shooting.

Later, I stopped by the National Archives to stand in line to see the original copy of our Constitution. I thought about how twenty years ago this month I was just down the street finishing my first film, a personal plea to warn the nation about GM and the deadly economy it ruled. On that March day in 1989 I was broke, having collected the last of my unemployment checks, relying on help from my friends (Bob and Siri would take me out to dinner and always pick up the check, the assistant manager at the movie theater would sneak me in so I could watch an occasional movie, Laurie and Jack bought an old Steenbeck (editing) machine for me, John Richard would slip me an unused plane ticket so I could go home for Christmas, Rod would do anything for me and drive to Flint whenever I needed something for the film). My late mother (she would've turned 88 tomorrow if she were still with us) and my GM autoworker dad told me in the kitchen they wanted to help and handed me a check for an astounding thousand dollars. I didn't know they even had a thousand dollars. I refused it, they insisted I take it -- "No!" -- and then, in that parental voice, told me I was to cash it so I could finish my movie. I did. And I did.

So on that March day in 1989, as I was driving down Pennsylvania Avenue, my 9-year-old car just died. I coasted over to the curb, put my head down on the steering wheel and started to cry. I had no money to take it in to be repaired, and I certainly had nothing to pay the tow truck driver. So I got out, screwed the license plates off so I wouldn't be fined, turned my back and just left it there for good. I looked over at the building next to me. It said "National Archives." What better place to donate my dead car, I thought, as I walked the rest of the way home.

Though it wasn't easy for me, I still never had to suffer what so many of my friends and neighbors went through, thanks to General Motors and an economic system rigged against them. I wonder what they must have all thought when they woke up this Monday morning to read in the Detroit News or the Detroit Free Press the headlines that Obama had fired the CEO of GM. Oh -- wait a minute. They couldn't read that. There was no Free Press or News. Monday was the day that both papers ended home delivery. It was cancelled (as it will be for four days every week) because the daily newspapers, like General Motors, like Detroit, are broke.

I await the President's next superhero move.

Yours,
Michael Moore
1444) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Is it real or is it Memorix? (Message 881442)
Posted 1 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Beautiful photo Dr.
Seems my theory about the rear fenders being to wide has been proven wrong.
munch munch (the sound of me eating humble pie) munch munch
1445) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Is it real or is it Memorix? (Message 881208)
Posted 1 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


LOL! Main Street and 20th Ave, Vancouver was where it was about 9 hours ago. Where it is now, I haven’t a clue.



I stomped around those streets for many years.
That's just a few blocks from my old high school--Sir Charles Tupper--

Funny but I don't remember that car being there. LOL
Nice pics.

I think it's a kit car due to the width of the rear fenders.
The lines don't seem right on the first photo.
1446) Message boards : Politics : Cannabis prohibition has failed. It's time for a new approach. (Message 881204)
Posted 1 Apr 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Whether you believe it or not pot is a gateway drug.
Legalizing a gateway drug "that doesn't hurt anyone" will make the other drugs more attractive. If you would like I will personally introduce you to those that say that now.

Now you can say that being under the influence of a drug isn't any more likely to cause you to do something unlawful - but I believe if you ask any Doctor or Policeman he will tell you that alcohol and pot both release inhibitions and dull your reasoning capactity. Not a good combination.

Do you belive that pot smokers would make for better drivers, Doctors, lawyers, druggists, sky divers, hunters? Would you want them to operate heavy machinery?
Because we already have terrible problems with alcohol users that do these things which are somewhat easier to detect because they may smell of it.

You may or not figure out the nurse at the hospital preparing your meds is high or not. Or the Bus driver that is wearing sunglasses. Or the hunter with the visine in his eyes.

Why do you believe that someone under the influence of pot maintains his good judgement? Believe me they don't. The truly stoned are truly irrational. And believe me there are plenty of pot smokers ready to add a little something extra to give it an extra kick. You may have been also told that pot smokers are nonviolent when high. Some are some aren't just like alchohol drinkers.

Now as you say, you don't know any of this stuff because you don't use it yourself and you are not around it. Well I can tell you. I can show you. I have to live with it. I have to hear my family name on the police scanner. I have to see my family name in the newspapers.

You may well intentioned, but you are seriously misinformed.
If you proposed this in an effort to relieve suffering, you have no idea of the unintended consequences that would be unleashed.

And Robert would it be any better if a person high on pot killed a family member in a car accident than someone drinking alcohol? Could you stand to read that statistic in the paper - deaths caused by driving while impaired pot smokers and know that you had added to it? Could you stand to know that someones daughter tried the "legal" pot you help create and went on to crack? What if it was one of your family members? Could you live with yourself?

Now, you contend that the efforts put forth in the existing laws "don't work".
People still use pot illegally. People also molest children, they also rob banks, kill each other, etc. etc. People see these laws as not tough enough or too tough. Unworkable, a waste of time, Why do we lock up "nonviolent" white collar criminals? Why do lock up nonviolent shoplifters?

And if you think you can keep legal pot out of the hands of children any better than you can keep prescription drugs and alcohol out of the hands of those under 21 - take a minute and google "drunk teen" or "teen prescription drug abuse"


Tom
My taking the stand that cannabis should be decriminalized does not imply that I want everyone to be stoned all the time, nor does it imply that I believe that someone who is high retains his good judgement, as you stated in your post.

No, I do not want airline pilots to be stoned.
No, I do not want my medical practitioners to be stoned
No, I don't want my family killed by a stoned driver.

Having said these things doesn't mean any of it won't happen tomorrow even though cannabis is illegal right now.

Prohibition doesn't work. It's a fact we need to come to terms with if we're going to try to minimize some of our social problems.

The fear you are expressing seems to be that once there is no imprisonment for those in possession of pot the whole country will be going on some kind of free for all stoner binge.

As for keeping "legal" pot out of the hands of minors, prohibition doesn't seem to have stopped them from getting their hands on "illegal" pot.






1447) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What Is Your Weather Like? III (Message 880933)
Posted 31 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I just looked outside (it's just after midnight) and it's snowing like hell out there.
We had a steady snow falling today until around lunch time.

Today's Conditions
Observed on: March 30 2009 at 11:00 PM PDT, Prince George

Current

Snow
High: 1 °C
Low: -1 °C
POP: 60 %
Evening

Not Available
Low: -1 °C

Pressure: 100.8 KPa
Visibility: 3 Km
Humidity: 95 %
Wind: 20 Km/h S
UV: Low
Sunrise: 06:47 PDT
Sunset: 19:44 PDT




1448) Message boards : Politics : Cannabis prohibition has failed. It's time for a new approach. (Message 880724)
Posted 30 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Tom
I'm really sorry all these bad things have happened in your family.
I really mean that, whether you believe it or not.

When your brothers claimed they were really high when committing crimes, they were attempting to deflect the blame from themselves to an outside source.
Sometimes that works in court toward receiving a lesser penalty.

I'm not a user, as I stated in an earlier post, so there's no need to be angry with me over my beliefs.
I would no sooner offer weed to a child than I would offer a shot of wiskey.

Children are to be protected from adult vices at all times.
You might as well tell me to offer up my daughter to having sex with all the teenage boys in town. It ain't gonna happen.

My point is that cannabis prohibition, just as the alcohol prohibition, doesn't work.
We are now witnessing the same gangland shoot-outs in the streets of our cities that took place during the alcohol prohibition.
The vice will not go away by passing laws which only serve to create profits worth killing over.

Decriminalize cannabis, legalize prostitution and remove over 90% of the cash flow from the gangs.
Once these two activities are regulated it'll be no different than the situation we have with alcohol now.
Some people will abuse their use of the substance and will face the penalties while the vast majority will not abuse their use.
Not everyone who takes a drink is a lush, just as not everyone who takes a toke is a child molester.
1449) Message boards : Politics : Cannabis prohibition has failed. It's time for a new approach. (Message 880683)
Posted 30 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Tom
I'm going to go way out on a limb and say that I think the criminal element in your family would have been that way regardless of cannabis.

I don't think smoking pot turns people into child molesters and cheque forgers.

No, I think that stuff was inside them long before they took their first toke.
1450) Message boards : Politics : G20 demonstrators march in London (Message 880210)
Posted 28 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The video looks good but what is being accomplished?
The protest is following a roped off route which tells me that it doesn't even come close to reaching those to whom the message is aimed.

Don't misunderstand me. Even if there's no disruption of traffic or gathering on the steps of power, people showing up in large numbers does help.
But to really get the attention of those pulling the levers you need large numbers of bodies in the march and no regard for roped off areas.

I'm just reading Naomi Wolf's book "Give me Liberty" and she really explains the ways protest is controlled and subdued.
It's must reading for anyone seeking methods of getting effective protests heard.

Get out in the streets if you want to be heard.
1451) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Bad day to quit smoking...... (Message 880198)
Posted 28 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'll be giving it another go in the very near future.

For my addiction, it's been snuff tobbaco, for over 25 years.
I've had a wad in my lip almost continuously.
1452) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Bad day to quit smoking...... (Message 880167)
Posted 28 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
What's wrong with you?
Quitting tobbaco is easy...I've done it hundreds of times.
1453) Message boards : Politics : republicans? fascists? what's the difference? (Message 880098)
Posted 28 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
[quote]
Fourth: Tax the crap out of everyone.

That's only an issue if you are one of the small number of citizens making over $250,000 a year.
The working class is scheduled for tax relief under this administration.
If you're a regular working stiff, your crap will not be taxed out of you.

That's discrimination.


You find a progressive tax discriminitory?
Shouldn't those with the most income pay more for the privilege of being wealthy in a secure country?
How were you feeling with tax cuts to the top .5% and the corporate sectors?
1454) Message boards : Politics : republicans? fascists? what's the difference? (Message 879881)
Posted 27 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


The Democrats used to be the party of the people. Strengthen America, face our enemies, keep government small, tax as little as possible etc. But that has changed in a BIG way since JFK. Now it's all about control, apeasement (sp?) of our enemies, expand government everywhere and tax the crap out of everyone.


The neo-cons have certainly been good at framing the discussion these past 30+ years.

I'd like to address each of your concerns individually.

First: Control
If you are referring to control by way of regulating health and safety, corporate behaviour and returning power to the people by way of greater citizen participation, I don't see the problem.
Control, under the last administration, has been turned on it's head.
The corporate sector was allowed to run amok, the regulatory bodies of government were placed under the control of the industries they were supposed to be regulating and the government siezed the opportunity to exercise greater control over the population by means of warrantless wiretaps, illegal arrests and detention of it's own citizens.
You are being controlled more now than at any time in American history thanks to the neo-con need for a fascist style leader.

Second: Appeasement of enemies.
I'm not sure how talking to another country became a form of appeasememnt.
Without dialog, eventually everyone will become your enemy.
The neo-con attitude that every other country on Earth is subordinant to America has caused many of the international tensions we now witness.
Rather than having Washington dictating terms to the rest of the world, wouldn't it make more sense to reach out with dialog and diplomacy?

Third: Expand government:
The truth of this expansion is that under Bush, the US government expanded to it's greatest numbers ever.
While I believe in a strong central government with the power to stare down corporate power, I don't believe in filling the ranks of the civil service with cronies and ideologs, the way the last adminisration did.
I think you can rest assured that the present administration is going to reduce the overall size of government by booting the neo-con deadwood to the curb.

Fourth: Tax the crap out of everyone.

That's only an issue if you are one of the small number of citizens making over $250,000 a year.
The working class is scheduled for tax relief under this administration.
If you're a regular working stiff, your crap will not be taxed out of you.





1455) Message boards : Cafe SETI : 5 second rule for email....... (Message 879608)
Posted 27 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'm happy this wasn't around a few years ago when one of the supervisors emailed the company's plans to several employees by mistake.

He actually phoned and asked that we delete the email without opening it.
HAHAHAHAHA

Needless to say, I was armed and ready for the next lie session, I mean crew meeting.
1456) Message boards : Politics : republicans? fascists? what's the difference? (Message 879031)
Posted 25 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
20,000 Americans lose their jobs every day.
10,000 homes foreclosed on every day.

That's the best response you can come up with?
Lay off the poker and start paying attention to what your government is doing, both abroad and to it's own citizens.

PS: I'm a Canadian with great concerns about the direction the US has taken these past thirty years.
1457) Message boards : Politics : republicans? fascists? what's the difference? (Message 879026)
Posted 25 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Published on Sunday, March 15, 2009 by CommonDreams.org
The US Is Facing a Weimar Moment

by Robert Freeman

In early 1919, Germany put in place a new government to begin rebuilding the country after its crushing defeat in World War I. But the right-wing forces that had led the country into the War and lost the War conspired even before it was over to destroy the new government, the "Weimar Republic." They succeeded.

The U.S. faces a similar "Weimar Moment." The devastating collapse of the economy after eight years of Republican rule has left the leadership, policies, and ideology of the right utterly discredited. But, as was the case with Germany in 1919, Republicans do not intend to allow the new government to succeed. They will do everything they can to undermine it. If they are successful, the U.S. may yet go the way of Weimar Germany.

World War I left Germany utterly devastated. The landed aristocrats, industrial magnates, wealthy financiers, weapons makers, and the officer corps of the military that formed the locus of right wing power were completely discredited. Their failure in provoking and prosecuting the War was catastrophic, undeniable, and complete.

The economy was destroyed. Prices were at 800% of pre-war levels and rising quickly. Agriculture, pillaged for the War, lay in ruins. Social insurance payments for the War's injured, to widows and orphans, and newly unemployed soldiers were astronomical. And all this was before the cost of rebuilding was even begun.

At the same time, Germany faced massive reparations payments to the Allied victors, France and England. But Germany's foreign properties had been confiscated and its colonies turned over to the victors. The combination of these conditions, both domestic and international, made it extraordinarily difficult for the German economy to recover.

As a result of the failure of the right, the German people elected a moderately leftist government to lead the nation's rebuilding. It was named the Weimar Republic for the city in which the new post-imperial constitution was written. The new government was led by Friedrich Ebert, head of the German Socialist Party.

But the country's new parliamentary system had allowed dozens of parties to run, making it impossible for any one party to win an outright majority. Ebert's party had achieved the highest portion of votes, 38%, in the first post-War elections, held in January 1919. Ebert would have to govern by coalition.

It was at this time that the right wing made its crucial decision. Despite its shocking, naked failure over the prior decade, despite the horrific devastation it had wrought on the German people, despite the discrediting of everything they had purported to stand for, they would fight Ebert, his new government, and its plans for recovery. They would do everything they could to make sure that the new government failed.

Their strategy was two-fold: first, stoke the resentment of the population about the calamitous state of its living conditions-no matter that those conditions had been created by the very right-wing oligarchs who now pretended to befriend the little guy. Rage is rage. It is glandular and unseeing. Once catalyzed it is easy to turn on any subject.

And stoking resentment was easy to do. Just before the War ended, the military concocted its most sensational lie: the German army hadn't actually been defeated. It had been "stabbed in the back" by communists, traitors, and Jews. It was an easy lie to sell. It entwined an attack on an alien political ideology - liberalism- with the latent, pervasive myth of German racial superiority.

The second strategy of the right was to prevent the new government from succeeding. To begin with, success of the left would conspicuously advertise the failure of the right. Moreover, success by the left would legitimize republican government, so hated by the oligarchs of the right. Much better for the people to be ruled by the self-aggrandizing right-wing autocracy that had governed Germany for centuries.

So the rightists set out to do everything they could to make it impossible for the leftists to govern. They would use parliamentary maneuver, shifting coalitions, domination of the new mass media, legislative obstruction, staged public relations spectacles, relentless pressure by narrow but powerful interests, judicial intimidation and, eventually, outright murder of their political opponents.

Contrition for their abject failure, humility for their destructive hubris, compassion for their crippled country-those had nothing to do with it. All they possessed was a blinding, visceral hatred of the left and a masturbatory lust for the return to power.

Eventually, they succeeded. Every setback in recovery - and there would inevitably be many - was met with hysterical demonizing of the left wing government. The lie was repeated relentlessly that the government was run by communists, traitors, and Jews-the same furtive cabal that had purportedly stabbed the country in the back at the end of the War. They steadily chipped away at the efficacy and, thereby, the legitimacy of successive republican governments.

By the time of the Great Depression, Adolph Hitler's ironically named National Socialist Party had become the biggest vote getter in the nation. The Nazis had once been derided as the lunatic fringe of the far right. But the "respectable" right-wing power brokers who had started and lost the Great War anointed Hitler Chancellor in January, 1933.

He immediately suspended the constitution, abolishing most civil liberties. He outlawed opposition parties, began a massive military build-up and a relentless propaganda campaign, and set Germany and the world onto the path of the greatest destruction it would ever know.

America now faces its own "Weimar moment."

The failure of right wing policy and leadership over the past eight years, especially in matters economic, is comparable to Germany's right-wing failure in World War I. It is catastrophic, undeniable, and complete.

Consider:

According to the World Economic Forum, forty percent of the entire world's wealth has been destroyed in the recent financial collapse. In the U.S. alone, between housing and the stock market, more than $18 trillion in wealth has already been destroyed.

The private mega-banks that anchor the financial systems of the western world are bankrupt. This makes it all but impossible to jump-start the western world's economies which are heavily dependent on bank-system credit to operate.

More than 10,000 homes go into foreclosure every day. More than 20,000 people lose their job every day. And the collapse is accelerating, developing its own self-reinforcing dynamic. Job losses breed foreclosures, reducing demand, leading to more job losses and further degradation of the financial system. None of the stopgaps designed to stanch the bleeding have yet worked. There is no bottom in sight.

Meanwhile, debt has risen to astronomical levels. Reagan and Bush I quadrupled the national debt in only twelve years. Bush II doubled it again in only eight. It is now ten times higher than it was in 1980 when Reagan was elected. Total public and private debt exceeds 300% of GDP, half again higher than it was in 1929.

The government's unfunded liabilities, promises it has made to the American people but for which no payment source can be identified, now exceed $60 trillion, a literally inconceivable sum that can never, will never, be paid. Federal Reserve economist Lawrence Kotlikoff has suggested that the U.S. government is "actuarially bankrupt."

The full measure of the nation's plight is revealed in Hillary Clinton's first trip as Secretary of State. It was to China, to beg them to fund Obama's new fiscal deficits. Without loans from China, the U.S. economy cannot be revived. The significance of this cannot be overstated: the U.S. no longer exercises sovereignty over its own economic affairs. That sovereignty now resides in the hands of China, the U.S.'s greatest long-term rival.

Thanks to Republican policies of massive debt and shipping jobs abroad, the U.S. has technically become a colony of China. It exports raw materials and imports finished goods, together with the capital to make up the difference. Should the Chinese decide not to lend the trillions of dollars the U.S. is begging for, the U.S. economy will implode, plummeting onto itself in a World Trade Center-like collapse that will leave dust clouds circling the planet for decades.

Notwithstanding the destruction inflicted on the economy by Republican policies, the most devastating breakdown is in the intellectual foundation on which right wing economic ideology itself is premised. Free market doctrine, the secular religion of right-wing America, is in utter, irretrievable shambles.

One of the most lofty tenets on which free markets are premised is their claim for themselves that they are "efficient," that is, that market prices always reflect "fundamental values" of assets. But if that's true, how could the world's largest insurance company, AIG, have lost 99.5% of its market value in only 18 months? How could the world's largest bank, Citibank, have lost 98% of its value over the same period?

How could the world's largest brokerage company, Merrill Lynch, have gone bankrupt and need to be bought by Bank of America? How could the world's largest car company, General Motors, have lost 95% of its value and stand on the threshold of extinction? How could the world's largest industrial conglomerate, General Electric, have lost 85% of its value in only 18 months?

If the largest companies in the world, those at the very heart of the capitalist system itself, can lose virtually all of their value in only 18 months, what is the possible meaning of the phrases "efficient markets" and "fundamental value"?

The other core tenets of free market ideology are equally compromised. Major actors are clearly not rational - a breakdown of theological proportions admitted by no less an avatar of the cult than its pope himself, Alan Greenspan. Free markets clearly cannot, will not, regulate themselves. It is precisely their innate, irrepressible propensity for sociopathic greed and predatory fraud that has brought the whole of the world's economy to the precipice of collapse.

Free markets clearly do not align risk and reward, allocating capital to its most productive uses, as its promoters advertise. They clearly do not automatically return to equilibrium, but must be bailed out with trillions of dollars of injections from the shrinking coffers of the public to the ever-bulging coffers of a private priesthood of pillage and plunder.

And in perhaps the greatest indictment of all, one going back to its primeval roots in Adam Smith's eighteenth century opus, The Wealth of Nations, the unrestrained behavior of self-interested individuals clearly, manifestly, does not "coalesce as if by an Invisible Hand to the greatest good for the greatest number."

These are not peripheral premises that have failed. They are not tangential tenets. Efficient markets. Rational actors. Market equilibrium. Risk and reward. Self interest. These are the essential sacraments on which the entire free market system is founded. They are in tatters. And it isn't that any one of them has been discredited by the glaring, merciless force of events. All of them have been. All of them together. And all of them at the same time.

Free markets have long been the basis for a legitimate - though rightly debated - economic policy framework. But they have become little more than a robotically-recited cultural catechism, a mindless mantra mumbled to mask the looting of the nation's resources that is the true purpose of Republican economic policy as demonstrated by the staggering upward transfers of wealth that inevitably occur under Republican regimes. A more complete, conspicuous, catastrophic, and irrefutable repudiation of right wing leaders, right wing policies, and right wing ideology could not possibly be contrived.

So what is the right wing response?

They have adopted the strategy and tactics of the failed right wing plotters in Weimar Germany. First, stoke the resentment of the population about the increasingly dire state of its living conditions-no matter that those conditions were created by the very right-wing oligarchs who now pretend to befriend the little guy. Rage is rage. It is glandular and unseeing. Once catalyzed it is easy to turn on any subject.

Second, prevent the new government from succeeding in any meaningful endeavor. The Republicans have set all their efforts to doing everything they can to make sure the Obama administration fails. Rush Limbaugh's infamous, "I hope he fails" pronouncement is only the beginning of the fomenting of hatred from the right. As Limbaugh said, "Let's be honest. Every Republican in America is hoping for Obama's failure."

The same malignant hope oozes unadulterated from all the other Dogpatch Demagogues that rent themselves out to the Republican party to foment resentment against anything liberal: Joe the "Plumber," Rick Santelli, Glenn Beck, Michael Savage, Ann Coulter, and virtually every other wing-nut operative whose intellectual stock in trade has been vaporized by the collision of right-wing policies with objective reality.

Equally so for the "respectable" members of the party, the all-but-three Republican members of Congress who refused to sign on to Obama's first stimulus package and continue to grandstand against every effort toward any form of progress. Contrition for their own abject failure, humility for their destructive hubris, compassion for their crippled country-those have nothing to do with it. All they possess is a blinding, visceral hatred of the left and a masturbatory lust for the return to power.

And what else can they do? Bereft of ideas, bankrupt in ideology, architects of collapse, obstruction is all they have. If Obama is successful, it will not only advertise the full extent of their failure, it will provide a model of liberal governance that would render Republicans irrelevant for decades, much as FDR's success left them out in the political cold for an entire generation. Liberal failure is a matter of life and death for Republicans.

And it's not at all clear that the liberals won't fail. No one should underestimate the task at hand. Never before - not even during the Great Depression - has the country inherited such a daunting, intractable set of economic problems: a debt burden so crushing; inequality so vast; a loss of financial sovereignty so constricting; an intellectual edifice so bankrupt; a private economy so uncompetitive; or an opposition so callously self interested in its own recovery and so cavalierly disinterested in the nation's.

The economy has been so damaged, successful rescue requires threading a series of policy needles, each of them so complex in their own right that none could be solved by any administration of the past 50 years. This includes rehabilitating and re-regulating the nation's banking system, restructuring health care, reducing national dependence on oil, reviving manufacturing so as to reduce the trade deficit, rebuilding the nation's crumbling infrastructure, dealing with a soaring national debt, trying to resuscitate a collapsing housing market, and all the while maintaining the safety net under 77 million baby boomers entering retirement with a net worth 60% what it was only 18 months ago.

Success will require much more than luck, hard work, brilliant policy, or soaring rhetoric. It will require cooperation and contribution from every American. It is those two offerings, cooperation and contribution, that Republicans are intent on withholding, the better to ensure Obama's failure. Simply put, the Republicans hate Democrats more than they love America.

If they succeed in derailing Obama's efforts, the cost will be incalculable.

After World War I, one of the consequences of the liberal government's failure was Adolph Hitler. Hitler had a genius for exploiting the resentment of the German people for their condition. More than 80% of the Nazi party's members were unemployed. It was these legions of idle thugs who made up the ranks of Hitler's brownshirt militia, the SA. The right wing oligarchy that had set out from the beginning to destroy the Weimar Republic recognized the potency of resentment and Hitler's genius at exploiting it. It was they who sponsored Hitler's ascension to Chancellor in 1933.

Resentment and obstruction are all the right wing in America have to peddle. Their policies are utterly discredited. Their ideology - even by its own standards - is a sham. They are so bereft of leaders, their de facto leader is a former drug addicted, thrice-divorced radio talk show host. That is literally the best they can muster. But they have built a national franchise inciting the downwardly mobile to blame the government, not the right, for their problems, exactly as Hitler did in the 1920s.

The Republican propensity for fascism must not be underestimated. Witness their phony justifications for the war in Iraq, fanning the flames of nationalistic aggression, just as Hitler did with Austria, the Sudetenland, Czechoslovakia, and Poland in the 1930s. Consider their symbiotic embrace of corporate interests in the oil, weapons, telecommunications, pharmaceutical, finance, and other industries-the same type of corporate interests that sponsored Hitler's ascent to power. Look at their efforts to dismantle civil liberties with the Patriot Act and the Military Commissions Act. Or their relentless, pervasive propaganda laundered through their corporate-owned right-wing media machine.

These are the classic hallmarks of fascism. The strategy is to obstruct recovery, facilitate collapse, and then incite the faux-populism of public resentment to re-install a corporatist oligarchy which has failed, but which will not abide a reduction of its privileges or a diminution of its control. It is a fetid, seditious agenda, awaiting only its own latter day mustachioed messiah for its final fulfillment.

World War I was a once-in-a-millennium upset in the architecture of global power. In four years, it shifted the center of that power from Europe to the United States. But failure now by the U.S. will shift that center once again, from the United States to China, out of the western world where it has resided for the past 500 years. The psychic shock to the billion-odd people living in western civilization, with its liberal democracies, capitalist economies, and Enlightenment ideals, will be incalculable, irretrievable.

This shift may be inevitable and only a matter of time. It is quite possible that the damage inflicted on the western world's economy by rapacious Republicans is already beyond repair. But it will be tragedy beyond measure if such a shift is consummated by the very wrecking crew that took us down the road to ruin, all the while so unctuously proclaiming "patriotism" as its crowning ideal. They are not patriots and their goal is not the revival of American power. It is the revival of their own power, even at the expense of America's. They represent a very dangerous threat to the nation's future.

Robert Freeman writes on history, economics and education.
1458) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Website of the Day Part 2 (Message 878790)
Posted 24 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Something to listen to while poking around online

http://www.therationalradical.com/podcast.html?gclid=CPD27ee9upkCFRYiagod30aV6g
1459) Message boards : Politics : Socialism and SETI (Message 878239)
Posted 22 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Why doesn't SETI make the number crunchers compete against each other for the privilege of crunching.
The ones willing to do the work for the least amount of credit would get the most work.

All those with the really high RAC's and vastly greater CPU power could be given access to the RAC scores of those at the low end and be allowed to skim off credits from the work of others, thus maintaining their high RAC while never having the crunch at all.
1460) Message boards : Cafe SETI : The Day the Earth Stood Still ( the original movie, 1951) (Message 877509)
Posted 20 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
YAY
Good job and thanks for the beers.
1461) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Post your favorite Monty Python sketch (Message 877504)
Posted 20 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Second favorite sketch

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z62ikGqIuUY
1462) Message boards : Politics : Fun With Libertarian Policies (Message 877218)
Posted 19 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

And the Obama administration? It was under Obama that these funds were given to AIG without oversight as to what AIG could do with the money.


But it was the bush administration that set the agenda for the past eight years and allowed these thieves to get this far.
It was also the Bush bunch who came forward with a three page bail-out solution at the very begining that was the template for this thing.






1463) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What Is Your Weather Like? III (Message 877203)
Posted 19 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Current

Snow
High: 3 °C
Low: -1 °C
POP: 40 %
Evening

Snow
Low: -1 °C
POP: 60 %

Pressure: 101.3 KPa
Visibility: 4 Km
Humidity: 95 %
Wind: 00 Km/h
UV: Low
Sunrise: 07:16 PDT
Sunset: 19:22 PDT

It started snowing at the begining of my shift, 11:30pm, and it's still coming down this morning.
I like winter but I've had enough.
1464) Message boards : Cafe SETI : The Day the Earth Stood Still ( the original movie, 1951) (Message 876936)
Posted 18 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Isn't Andromeda hurtling toward us at a rate equal to the space between the moon and the Earth every 15 seconds?

Final answer...Andromeda.
1465) Message boards : Politics : Fun With Libertarian Policies (Message 876935)
Posted 18 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Speaking of money, how is business up there in Canada? Do people have hope for a recovery yet?



Many of the financial problems in this region of Canada are due to causes other than the melt down.
While logging has been the backbone of the local economy for decades, there have been many problems faced by the industry.
The two worst are the Pine Beetle infestation which has killed off tens of millions of trees along with the provincial government's forestry decisions which are forcing the closures of mills all around the province.

The decision to allow raw log exports has devastated communities.

We haven't had a collapse of housing as seen in the states, but prices are going down.

Being a nation that exports most of it's resources to the states, there's naturally a downturn and many people are losing their jobs.

A large segment of Canada's manufacturing base died off with the free trade agreement, so eastern provinces (mostly Ontario and Quebec) have been hurting even longer than us.




1466) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What Is Your Weather Like? III (Message 876890)
Posted 18 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Current

Drifting Snow
High: 4 °C
Low: -6 °C
POP: 40 %
Evening

Snow
Low: -6 °C
POP: 40 %

Pressure: 101.3 KPa
Visibility: 72 Km
Humidity: 52 %
Wind: 35 Km/h S
gusting to 50 Km/h
UV: Moderate
Sunrise: 07:19 PDT
Sunset: 19:20 PDT

1467) Message boards : Politics : Fun With Libertarian Policies (Message 876884)
Posted 18 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I've been listening to the Air America and NovaM talk shows and the situation with the AIG bonuses is becoming quite a scandal.

Can you imagine having the gnads to come to the people for financial help to keep your company above water, then after receiving the handout from the people turning around and giving 165 million dollars in bonuses to the same goofs that ran the company into the ground causing the need to ask for help?

Where do the corporate pigs get the idea that the people's money is their personal property?
Where does the notion that they can do what they want come from?

Could there be a direct link between this selfish attitude and the lack of oversight during republican administrations?

Anyone who would wish for a system of government that is going to do away with regulations, oversight and responsible watchdog agencies needs to look at what happens when the foxes are permitted to guard the chicken coupe.

Only years of non-interference from government agencies could possibly create an environment where these pigs feel safe enough to attempt such a robbery.
They've been doing business with a wink and a nod from the regulatory agencies for so long that it seems quite normal to them.
These guys see nothing wrong in their actions.
It's business as usual for them.

Here's hoping that the American people get every penny of that money back and that the pigs are publicly humiliated.
Maybe even facing criminal charges.

Deregulation does nothing but encourage more of this type of behaviour.
1468) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What Is Your Weather Like? III (Message 876798)
Posted 18 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Current

Clear
High: 1 °C
Low: -7 °C
POP: 30 %
Evening

Snow
Low: -7 °C
POP: 30 %

Pressure: 102.0 KPa
Visibility: 24 Km
Humidity: 86 %
Wind: 00 Km/h
UV: Low
Sunrise: 07:21 PDT
Sunset: 19:18 PDT

1469) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Post your favorite Monty Python sketch (Message 876789)
Posted 18 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Here's mine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ce0UEb05DXI
1470) Message boards : Politics : Fun With Libertarian Policies (Message 876575)
Posted 17 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I love the bit about free to join a union.
Which employers, under this guy's system, would accept such a move by working people?

We'd all be free to starve to death in the dark under libertarian rule.
LOL Rush. You slay me.

Libertarians claim we'd be free to do as we wish but never mention that corporations would also be free to do as they wish.
Who wins under such a silly system? The one's with the deep pockets, that's who.

It's the party of the wealthy, for the wealthy and everything will go to the wealthy.
The lifeform spouting this must have a very low opinion of everyone's intelligence.

Even a dumbass common Joe like me can see through the garbage he promotes as freedom.

1471) Message boards : Politics : Fun With Libertarian Policies (Message 876550)
Posted 17 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Michael Moore says it so much better than I can...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/michael-moore/why-im-not-now-and-have-n_b_172410.html
1472) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What Is Your Weather Like? II (Message 876549)
Posted 17 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
-8C
Light snow again
1473) Message boards : Politics : Fun With Libertarian Policies (Message 876546)
Posted 17 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
You can rationalize your greed all day long buddy...in the end it's still greed.

The greed of the wealthy, the greed of the corporatists, the greed of the wanna-be's...none of it matters.
The fact is that people have had enough of the invisible hand of the marketplace and are seeking change.

What we are facing right now is the last ditch scramble by the fascist right to break the country so there is less chance of success in trying to right the wrongs of the market profiteers.

You just keep on supporting those pigs in their efforts while I'll look forward to a pig roast.
1474) Message boards : Politics : Fun With Libertarian Policies (Message 876442)
Posted 17 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The main problem I see with gov't involvement in the US is that it is inherently slow and burdensome. Probably intentionally so. Social programs shouldn't be humiliating or humbling.


You have all watched as a steady stream of republican neo-con corporatists have run for office saying government doesn't work for the people.
Then they get elected and work hard at running government into the ground.

Remember what that Grover Norquist (I think I got the spelling wrong) said:
"Our goal is to shrink government to the point where we can drown it in a bathtub."

This is the type of person who has been participating in government.
No wonder it seems that your government can't do anything right. It isn't being allowed to.
These people have an agenda and it doesn't include the interests of the citizens.
1475) Message boards : Politics : Fun With Libertarian Policies (Message 876430)
Posted 17 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I suppose the question would be...what kind of society do you want to live in and pass on to your children?

You can have a dog eat dog society where a few get lucky and become wealthy.
These are the ones held up as the great example of the American dream, but the reality is that the majority of those with great wealth were born into it.

The rest are relegated to a life of insufficient healthcare, lack of union protections in the workplace and corporate control over basic services that we all need and use.

I prefer to live in a society where I am safe in the knowledge that my fellow citizens care enough about everyone to ensure that they all have healthcare, protections in the workplace and socialization of essential services.
1476) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What Is Your Weather Like? II (Message 876203)
Posted 16 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
-8C this morning
Snowed lightly most of the night
1477) Message boards : Politics : Fun With Libertarian Policies (Message 876200)
Posted 16 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
First, no apology necessary. Thank you for offering, that was very decent of you.

If you read Howard Zinn's book 'A People's History of the United States' you might be very surprised to learn some of the social and socialist history America really has.

Socialist programs don't have to originate federally. Anything that is funded communally in city and state legislation is social spending.
When public money is involved to fund a public utility, it is socialism.

Insurance, while provided by private means, spreads the risks over the entire base of customers, thereby socializing the risks.
Those not making claims against their insurer are covering the costs of those who do.

There's nothing frightening for regular citizens in the concept of socialism.
The pampered elites have spent decades creating fear of the word in the minds of working people because they know that when an industry or service is socialized, there is no longer a chance to profit from it.

I really can't think of anything that would be worse for us by socializing it.
Healthcare...how are your premiums at the present time? Too high for many people to afford in America.

How are your electric rates? In British Columbia, where power production was socialized almost 50 years ago, we have the second lowest rates in Canada if not all of North America.
The lowest rates are in Quebec. Guess what...state owned power production there too.

All socializing does is remove the massive profit motives and this allows the profits that do arise to be used for further public spending.
Why not take the earnings from the sales of electricity and put them toward road maintenance?

That's all that socialism is.
1478) Message boards : Politics : Fun With Libertarian Policies (Message 876163)
Posted 16 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
All I can "clam" is what I read in their policies.

I don't know why you seem to think socialism is such a swear word.
You have many socialist programs working for you at this moment, things such as police departments, fire dept's, schools, insurance plans, water and sewer to name a few.

If you think that I'm going to be offended, you're crazier than Whiplash Willy.

PS: I truly wish Obama were a socialist...but he ain't.
1479) Message boards : Politics : Fun With Libertarian Policies (Message 875509)
Posted 14 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
In other words...with a gun in the face.
1480) Message boards : Politics : I don't get it................... (Message 875449)
Posted 14 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I always know when I've hit something you have no answer to... I get responses like this.

You're as easy to read as an Archies comic. Wanna play poker sometime?
1481) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What Is Your Weather Like? II (Message 875432)
Posted 14 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
-2C
Looks like more snow in the forecast
1482) Message boards : Politics : Fun With Libertarian Policies (Message 875430)
Posted 14 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Is a libertarian government going to enforce it's rules with a gun in the face or a sternly worded letter?


Here's the question again Rush.
You have spouted off at great length about government enforcement of the laws of the land as being a "gun in the face" but have offered no acceptable alternatives.

How would a libertarian government enforce it's own rules?





1483) Message boards : Politics : Obama - A New Hope? (Message 875410)
Posted 14 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Obama signed the "imperfect" bill, despite its 9,000 pork projects, which he himself criticized.


I heard on american radio that the pork you are so concerned about was almost entirely republican pork. That should make you happier.

I love the way those guys work.
Load a bill with pork, then criticize the bill for containing that same pork.






1484) Message boards : Politics : I don't get it................... (Message 875407)
Posted 14 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Goes against the republican held belief that they are the party of responsible spending and that the democrats are the party of wasteful spending.

Seems that all of the evidence indicates that this belief is just another right wing lie that is told so often it becomes the truth in the minds of the population at large.

The right wing, neo-con, free marketeers and corporatists seem to have based their whole existence and philosophy on a lie.

1485) Message boards : Politics : Fun With Libertarian Policies (Message 875406)
Posted 14 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
You got me sheriff.
My vast skills in economics and compound interest are no match for yours.

All I did was divide the million by the 31,000 dollars to come up with 31 years of contributing every penny of earnings.

How silly of me to have questioned the idiotic libertarian platform policy that allows everyone making a crappy $30,000 per year a life of luxury with a pension of $100,000.

It all makes so much sense to me now. By the way, what colour is the sky in libertarian world?




1486) Message boards : Politics : Fun With Libertarian Policies (Message 874959)
Posted 12 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Hey, tell us again about compound interest and the time value of money--that one went over smashingly.


You'll have to remind me because I have no memory of writing on the topic of compound interest.


While you're at it, try answering the gun in the face question I possed in the idiotic libertarian policy toward victim's rights.



1487) Message boards : Politics : Fun With Libertarian Policies (Message 874663)
Posted 11 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Stop flogging the Reagan deregulation horse...it's dead dude.
It's a stinking, maggot laden corpse lying in the gutter.

People gathered around gazing at the corpse asking what killed it.
The guy who thought he had all the answers seemed somewhat dazed by the events.
Having no answers, he did the only thing left to do...Atlas shrugged.
1488) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What Is Your Weather Like? II (Message 874660)
Posted 11 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
It was -24C overnight
Presently it's -19C 10:30 am local time

The weatherman says it should get much warmer in the next few days, which means more snow I'm sure.
1489) Message boards : Politics : I don't get it................... (Message 874495)
Posted 11 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Here's a bar graph lifted from the link provided by rebest.
It is figure 3... the link is a good read. Thanks

Seems clear enough to me.

1490) Message boards : Politics : Fun With Libertarian Policies (Message 874486)
Posted 11 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
As their political base dwindles, these types of lifeforms become more shrill in their attempts to get the message out.
Just look how active some disciples have been recently even in here.

I'm hoping the bump in sales of this "book" are due to people wanting to learn to recognize how things got so very bad so quickly.
It's better to know the enemy and know what motivates them.

Ignorance of their methods is part of the reason the world is in such a damned mess.

Fortunately, there's Naomi Klein, Naomi Wolfe and Noam Chomsky, to name three of many thousands, getting the message out that counters this garbage.
1491) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What Is Your Weather Like? II (Message 874337)
Posted 10 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
OK
This is getting rediculous

At 4am one of the foremen came out to the area we were plowing and showed us his digital thermometer reading -35.3C

1492) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What Is Your Weather Like? II (Message 874091)
Posted 9 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I don't know what the temp was around 2am but it was bitter cold with the wind.

We've warmed up to a tropical -22C
1493) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What Is Your Weather Like? II (Message 873929)
Posted 9 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Brilliant sunshine this afternoon in Prince George BC

-12C at the moment

The weatherman predicts some cloud cover this evening with a low of -21C
1494) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What Is Your Weather Like? II (Message 873668)
Posted 8 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
-11C at the moment
Forecast says -18C overnight
at least it stopped snowing
1495) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What Is Your Weather Like? II (Message 873569)
Posted 8 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
-5C
Brisk north wind
snowing
1496) Message boards : Politics : I don't get it................... (Message 873078)
Posted 6 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
OH GAWD
So what you are trying to say is as more people are thrown out of work by factory closures and more houses are foreclosed on, the economy gets stronger.

Perhaps the economy of the wealthy gets stronger but as more regular people are living in boxes under overpasses you'd better pray they don't get organized to seek out those manipulating the economy.

Some rich fat guys may find themselves rotating on a spit with an apple in their mouth.
(not like there isn't a historical precident to revolution)
1497) Message boards : Politics : I don't get it................... (Message 872941)
Posted 6 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
That's because a libertarian train is free to go where it wishes.
Even if it leads to a wreck.
1498) Message boards : Politics : I don't get it................... (Message 872936)
Posted 6 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
We can only hope that the people with this dog eat dog attitude gradually disappear without too much fanfair.

Ah, The Sloganeer appears with more slogans without insight, reasoning, or analysis.

Here, how about this, "We can only hope that the people with this ram-gov't-force-that-we-agree-with-in-face-of-others-that-don't-agree attitude gradually disappear without too much fanfare."

"A new spirit is rolling through the land and it includes the realization that the idiotic 'massive and endless regulation that has enormous and endless costs' way of life hasn't worked and costs those who can afford it the least, the most."

"People do care about what happens to their fellow citizens and are starting to point fingers at the government policies, rules, and regulations that are responsible for creating this situation where millions of hard working people are hurt by the greed of a few."

Funny how the greed of the few can't be enforced on the millions of hard-working people unless you use gov't force. Why? Because without gov't force, those hard-working people won't pay for a USS Ronald Reagan. Or an HMS Intrepid. They won't pay for a CIA or corporate welfare. You have to force them to do it, because it sucks, and they know it. If it were great, they'd line up to pay for it, like they do cell phones and personal computers and everything else they buy.

Luckily, we have The Sloganeer here to support gov't force, to stick guns in people's faces to make damn hell ass sure that that money is taken from them to pay for War in Iraq, the WHISC, and the NSA.

Brilliant. Simply brilliant.


When all else fails, resort to this.
Well thought out argument there Rush
raspberry noise

You've been reading Binswanger's interpretations of Rand again huh?
Pablum for the selfish
1499) Message boards : Politics : I don't get it................... (Message 872759)
Posted 6 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
We can only hope that the people with this dog eat dog attitude gradually disappear without too much fanfair.

A new spirit is rolling through the land and it includes the realization that the selfish "me first" way of life hasn't worked.

People do care about what happens to their fellow citizens and are starting to point fingers at those responsible for creating this situation where millions of hard working people are hurt by the greed of a few.
1500) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What Is Your Weather Like? II (Message 872758)
Posted 6 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
-17C
90% chance of more snow by Saturday
1501) Message boards : Cafe SETI : . . . it's Robert Waite's Birthday 03.05.2009 (Message 872548)
Posted 5 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thank you for the wine, the concert, the art, the scoots and mostly the kind wishes.
Don't fret about belated...Mar 5 is the day.
My daughter made me a chocolate cake last night but I don't know where she's hidden it.
I'll just have to wait until this evening.

PS: I never thought I'd live to age 20 so it's all been gravy since then.
52 skidoo
1502) Message boards : Politics : I don't get it................... (Message 872327)
Posted 5 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Anyone with half a brain and an exit port at the base of their spine knows the debt levels increase under conservative/republican governments and decrease under liberal/democrat.

It's been that way since the Reagan dark age.
1503) Message boards : Cafe SETI : . . . it's Robert Waite's Birthday 03.05.2009 (Message 872325)
Posted 5 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thank you to everyone.
It's no great feat reaching 52. It's just a matter of discipline.
Healthy food, no alcohol or tobaco and plenty of exercise.

Who am I kidding?
The hot dogs, cigars, beer and Jack Daniels are on me.
But it will have to wait for the weekend because I'm about to go to work.

Norman...great link, thanks.
Let's do this again when I'm 104.

Thanks for this post Richard...you made me feel at home here.
1504) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What Is Your Weather Like? II (Message 872158)
Posted 4 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
sigh
It's snowing hard right now.
-2C
Looks like another busy night in store for us.

This must be what they call job security.
So much for the additional 1/2 million dollars the city council approved toward snow removal this year.
1505) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Mackenzie’s Music Thread (Message 872124)
Posted 4 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

. . . Time has come today


Oh man...good call









1506) Message boards : Politics : I don't get it................... (Message 872109)
Posted 4 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Ok...............was up most of the night trying to figure this out and I believe I have the answer.

That accounting system only works if you are spending somebody else's money. Silly me..................


Dear Geek@Play
Could you please explain to everyone how it is that when the republicans ran roughshod over everything for eight years and drove your country 1.3 TRILLION DOLLARS further into debt that none of this seemed to be a problem?????

It's only since the Democrats have formed government that fiscal responsibility has resurfaced in republican talking points.
Does anyone repeating these slogans even stop to think about what they are saying?

Seems to me that the republicans have had their chances and blew them all to hell like crazed spoiled children, so now it's time for the grown-ups to fix things.

My advice is to sit back, remain supportive of YOUR president, and let him do the job he was elected to do by the intelligent people of the United States.

1507) Message boards : Politics : western world human rights violation is ok? (Message 871920)
Posted 4 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
When the topic of suicide comes up, emotions get rather elevated.

First off, when someone expresses thoughts of killing themself it doesn't help to suggest alternative methods to simply injesting drugs.

I don't believe that you have thought this through very well S@NL-Mellowman.
You claim the right to end your life with pharmaceuticals. I don't necessarily deny you that right.
But don't you think that the levels of toxins involved to kill you would also taint the same organs that you would have harvested afterwards to save other's lives?

Seems to me that you would be usless as a donor after injesting lethal amount of drugs.

Another point I'd like to make is that suicide is usually the coward's way out.
If your life by age 36 is so wrong for you that these thoughts are coming into your head, then I suggest changing your life.
Not by ending it, but by quiting your job, packing a few essentials and just moving to a completely new place where you have no connections to whatever is making you so unhappy.

Committing suicide is the final act of desperation, but before reaching that point you must try other alternatives to find whatever it is you need to make life bearable, if not actually enjoyable.

Just because you are unhappy in your present situation does not mean that happiness isn't out there somewhere.
Go find it.

Don't squander this one time in all of eternity that you have to experience existance.
It's such a short time we are here and ending it seems such a tragic waste of being.

Even if it's crappy here, endure it because you have the rest of eternity to not exist.
1508) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Radio Legend Paul Harvey Dies (Message 871374)
Posted 2 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Let's not get too gooey about this guy.


http://thinkprogress.org/2007/05/02/harvey-911/

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2569
1509) Message boards : Cafe SETI : I hate February. (Message 870756)
Posted 1 Mar 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Here's hoping it's a short term lay-off so you can get back to doing what you love.

Having worked the bars for almost 14 years off and on, I know how nice the tips can be for the females on the floor.

Just think of it as extended shore leave.
1510) Message boards : Politics : Fun with Leg to Arm "Stimulus" Programs!! (Message 870576)
Posted 28 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I was just reading another article on the subject and was stunned to see republicans refering to this as class warfare.

I almost spewed.
There's been an undeclared class war ongoing since Reagan began stomping down on working people.
Thomas Hartmann wrote about it a couple of years ago... http://www.thomhartmann.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=213&Itemid=79

After all these years of support in beating up on working people, why is it now considered a class war by the republicans?
Because it's been turned around on them and the wealthy are being told that they will once again have to pay for the privilege of being wealthy in the US.

They will scream and kick about the unfairness of taking from those with the most after having failed to do the same when it was working people being taken from.
Ain't gonna wash.
I think people can see the duplicity finally and have had enough.

1511) Message boards : Politics : Fun with Leg to Arm "Stimulus" Programs!! (Message 870567)
Posted 28 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Government spending does not create wealth. Private businesses and American citizens create wealth.


This isn't about creating wealth. It's about getting currency circulating.
Money needs to flow if the economy is to become healthy again.

Since the end of WWII, the drive to concentrate wealth into the hands of a select few has been relentless, with a big spike upward in that trend since the Reagan administration.

The result has been increased profits for the pampered elites, the uber rich and the corporate sector, while real earnings for working people have been lowering.

More wealth concentrated into the hands of a very small segment of society has been proven to be a recipe for disaster.
The goal of this government spending program is to place money into as many hands as possible while at the same time rebuilding the country's infrastrcture.







1512) Questions and Answers : GPU applications : curious--is this behaving as expected? (Message 869936)
Posted 27 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

I really can't answer if you're better off without CUDA (no need to change BOINC versions, there is a preference to disable CUDA online), as I don't run CUDA myself. Current speculation is that a quad-core will get more work done than a single GPU, but I can't confirm or deny this.


I disabled CUDA and my RAC almost doubled


1513) Message boards : Politics : Fun with Leg to Arm "Stimulus" Programs!! (Message 869763)
Posted 26 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Smart plan. Hey, tell us all again how taxes on corporations puts a limit on executive pay.


Taxing corporations doesn't limit executive pay.

The incentive to negotiate these 50 million dollar contracts for ceo's would be eliminated with a progressive tax that hits it's highest levels on income above the 4 million dollar mark.

The first 4 million is taxed at the regular rate but everything above that 4 million is subject to the highest levels of taxation.
I like the 90% level.

Don't you want to protect the shareholders?
You speak very highly of them when the subject comes up.
Why should they be held hostage to the avarice and greed of the executive class?

1514) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What Is Your Weather Like? II (Message 869723)
Posted 26 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The weatherman was wrong
No snow. It was a beautiful crystal clear night.

It also went to -30C but has warmed up to -28C.
1515) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What Is Your Weather Like? II (Message 869440)
Posted 25 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
LOL
Ya, we're all keeping our brass monkey indoors for a while yet.

Anytime I start feeling hard done by, I remember how many blizzards have hit the Atlantic coast this year...after that, I still feel crappy but I know I'm not alone.
1516) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What Is Your Weather Like? II (Message 869407)
Posted 25 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Almost noon and it's warmed up to -13C
Calling for -22C tonight with more snow
1517) Message boards : Politics : Fun With Libertarian Policies (Message 868773)
Posted 23 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
That's good advice if you have a doctor who has done all the testing on their own, but I fear you'll have a difficult time finding one.

A federal agency with oversight, standards and the power to remove unsafe or untested medications is vastly more preferable.


Of course, elimination of the neo-con republican libertarian profiteering invisible hand of the market types who decided to not enforce the regulations in order to help their close friends rake in greater profits needs to be done in order to restore your faith in the FDA.
1518) Message boards : Politics : Fun With Libertarian Policies (Message 868769)
Posted 23 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
That's good advice if you have a doctor who has done all the testing on their own, but I fear you'll have a difficult time finding one.

A federal agency with oversight, standards and the power to remove unsafe or untested medications is vastly more preferable.
1519) Message boards : Politics : Fun With Libertarian Policies (Message 868691)
Posted 23 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Remove barriers to safe, affordable medicines.
We should replace harmful government agencies like the Food & Drug Administration (FDA) with more agile, free-market alternatives. The mission of the FDA is to protect us from unsafe medicines. In fact, the FDA has driven up healthcare costs and deprived millions of Americans of much-needed treatments. For example, during a 10-year delay in approving Propanolol Propranolol (a heart medication for treating angina and hypertension), approximately 100,000 people died who could have been treated with this lifesaving drug. Bureaucratic roadblocks kill sick Americans.


Whiplash Willy and his brainiac free marketeers would have you believe that departments like the FDA have only two objectives, to waste your tax dollars and kill innocent Americans.

To refer to the FDA as a harmful government agency completely ignores the history of snake oil salesmen preying on the gullible and the desperate.
Under the policies of the libertarians and their free market alternatives, you'd be whisked back to the days of travelling medicine shows complete with bottles of magic potions created with whatever was lying around at the time.

Instead of focusing on one poor example (insert doubts about the reality of the claim) think about the millions of lives saved and the suffering that has been avoided by the creation of the FDA.

Under FDA regulation, you can be certain that the list of ingredients in your medication does not include dog squirt.

1520) Message boards : Politics : Fun with Leg to Arm "Stimulus" Programs!! (Message 868676)
Posted 23 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:



Actually, it's you missing the point Rush.
The corporations may pass the costs on but they also haven't been passing the savings on.
These past 30 years have seen explosive corporate growth, both in size and profits, and while their taxes are dropping steadily, prices are still climbing.
(with the exception of consumer electronics made by slave labour)

As to your misguided concerns over a 90% tax rate.
The rate doesn't apply to your first 4 million dollars, only to any earnings over and above that number each year.

No one, and let me repeat, no one can justify annual earnings higher than 4 or 5 million.

I'm quite certain you will now attempt to do just that.
Please try to do so without getting all derogatory. Think you can handle that just once? Good boy.
1521) Message boards : Politics : Fun with Leg to Arm "Stimulus" Programs!! (Message 868428)
Posted 23 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I posted some figures quite a while back on the percentages of government revenues from corporate taxes.
I'm not going to start looking through my bookshelves for the exact numbers but approx 40 to 50 years ago the percentage of revenue from corporate sources was close to 35%.
Now that number is down to about 12%. (perhaps even lower by now)
While corporate tax cuts are the mantra of the neo-con republican libertarian wealthy crowd, it must be kept in mind that the government must make up the shortfall by adding to the personal income taxes on individual wage earners.
That would be you, Mr. and Ms. working person.

While Rush needs the corporate world to remain extremely profitable for his own reasons, I think the profits presently going toward monsterous executive salaries need to be redistributed throughout our society by means of heavier taxation of corporate profits.
This should go hand in hand with a progressive taxation system that should heavily tax individual incomes on all earnings above the 4 to 5 million dollar mark.

Anyone in here worried about having to pay 90% tax on any income over the 4 or 5 million dollar ceiling?
I didn't think so.
1522) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Browncoats, cast your votes.... (Message 868002)
Posted 22 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I called it Node Load
1523) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Mackenzie’s Music Thread (Message 867610)
Posted 21 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slKNd22GGaQ
1524) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Prawo Jazdy is innocent (Message 867271)
Posted 20 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
LOL
I think I married his sister
1525) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : Potentially Hazardous Asteroid (Message 866058)
Posted 16 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

On a personal note: maybe it will land on my ex-husband’s house. . . ;)



LOL
I almost sprayed apple juice onto my monitor with that one.
1526) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : Is Nibiru Approaching? (Message 866055)
Posted 16 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
This is exactly the kind pseudo science Carl Sagan warned against in his book Demon Haunted World.

None of this holds up under scientific scrutiny, so just call it what it is, science fiction.
Now carry on and have fun with it.
1527) Message boards : Politics : Fun With Libertarian Policies (Message 866051)
Posted 16 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The fact of the matter is libertarians are quite frightening and opportunistic.
At this moment in American history, they see an opening into which they wish to insert themselves and claim the position as the party of reason.

With the republicans falling apart and eating their own, many right wing non-thinking reactionaries will fall prey to this strategy.
That's why libertarians are so vocal in their critisms of governmental issues at this time.
The more unrest they can stir up, the more chances to reel in another new fish voter.

The libertarians are in reality just Corporatist Fascist Anarchists who spout freedom, liberty and less government, meanwhile, all of their policies are geared to enhance the holdings of the very wealthy elites by throwing the social contract in the garbage and removing anything that gets in the way of maximum profits for corporations.
This means doing away with the EPA, FDA and other departments with oversight and public protection responsibilities.
1528) Message boards : Cafe SETI : tears won’t let me write it again (Message 866047)
Posted 16 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Maintain your sense of wonder...all is well.
1529) Questions and Answers : GPU applications : CUDA and '.03' processors (Message 866031)
Posted 16 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I don't know what any of that means...I hope I'm not alone in that. LOL

I'm feeling more productive right now as I'm running 3 Astropulse WUs and a regular SETI WU.

My RAC isn't rocketing up there though, so I'm hoping the powers that be are aware.
1530) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Play Hard, Die Young (Message 866030)
Posted 16 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thanks
It does
1531) Message boards : Politics : Fun With Libertarian Policies (Message 866027)
Posted 16 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Protect Victims' Rights
Protecting the rights and interests of victims should be the basis of our criminal justice system. Victims should have the right to be present, consulted and heard throughout the prosecution of their case.

In addition, Libertarians would do more than just punish criminals. We would also make them pay restitution to their victims for the damage they've caused, including property loss, medical costs, pain, and suffering. If you are the victim of a crime, the criminal should fully compensate you for your loss.


This one really has me bamboozled.

First thing to make clear, wealthy people don't usually go out breaking into houses and cars. I'd feel rather secure in stating that the rate of crimes committed by the wealthy is lower than the rate of crimes committed by the poor.

A man with nothing, obviously feels he has nothing to lose by committing crimes.
Taking away minimum wage protections isn't going to help this situation, on the contrary, it will create even more desperate people willing to turn to crime to survive.

Whiplash Willy and the libertarians would have you believe that once convicted, this criminal is going to pay for the damages caused and losses incurred from the crime.

With what???
The man probably has nothing of value and no hope of aquiring anything of value through legal methods.
Yet, these boneheads are proposing in this platform plank that the victims of crime will be compensated for losses.

So we all agree that there's no blood in that stone.

My next question involves actually getting this victim compensation from a criminal who may actually own something of value.
How is it going to be done if the criminal isn't willing to part with his property? Libertarians claim everything is done voluntarily under their system.
Is the libertarian party going to stick a gun in his face?
Seems we've heard this gun in the face line somewhere before.
Oh ya, it was when our libertarian Whiplash Willy complains about government powers.

The libertarians can't have it both ways. Governments have power or they don't.
Is a libertarian government going to enforce it's rules with a gun in the face or a sternly worded letter?
1532) Message boards : Politics : The selling off of American Energy Companies (Message 866018)
Posted 16 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Rush
You keep equating everything we do and everything we own to capitalism.
People function as employees and exercise their ownership rights in social democracies around the world without being a part of the capitalist system as it exists in America today.

Your 'survival of the fittest' mindset is a product of that economic system.
There are economic systems that are much more egalitarian and in surveys, those citizens are much happier with their lives than we in North America are.

So once again, living and working for wages in a capitalist economy does not automatically make all citizens within that system a capitalist.

This is getting old but you seem to be enjoying it.
1533) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Play Hard, Die Young (Message 866010)
Posted 16 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Boxers, as a group, are mentioned frequently in this book.

I'm of the opinion that football will show a more widespread cross section of participants suffering from Gridiron Dementia due to the combinations of the speed of player collisions, the frequency of collisions in games and the fact that the same levels of contact experienced in game situations are also experienced during repetative drills five nights a week during practices.

This is rather frightening because we were always told to just shake it off and get back in the game or practice.
Who could have known that these cumulative collisions would come back to devastate lives decades later?
It seems that the brain loses it's ability to repair the small tears in the synapses after repeated injuries.

After reading this book, I'll be wondering about my own condition everytime I forget someone's name.
I know that's far fetched, but we tend to look for the worst case scenerio when confronted with a situation.
1534) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Play Hard, Die Young (Message 865927)
Posted 16 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'm just about finished reading this book and must recommend it to everyone who's ever played football.

Play Hard, Die Young
Football Dementia, Depression, and Death
by Bennet Omalu MD

Dr Omalu, a neuropathologist, has studied the brains of Mike Webster (Steelers), Terry Long (Steelers) and Andre Waters (Eagles and Cardinals).

All, even though just middle aged at the time of their deaths, had advanced dementia found usually in the brains of 80 to 90 year old men.

Dr. Omalu believes that repeated concussions and sub-concussions over the course of a football career lead to the conditions found in the brains of these men during autopsy.
He calls it Gridiron Dementia.

The positions with the greatest dangers of concussion are offensive linemen, defensive linemen, linebackers and defensive backs.

Having played both O line and D line my entire career, I was interested to read this when I saw it on the shelf at the library yesterday.

Parents who's sons are interested in playing football should read this, along with those who have family members that have played.

Some of the difficulties experienced by many ex-players don't show up until decades after leaving the game.

It really is a must read for anyone connected with the game at all levels.

This isn't an anti-football book. It's information needed to make an informed choice about playing.

Personally, if I had been given this information back in the mid 60's when I started playing, I would have accepted the risks.
As a 51 year old father of two with responsibilities, I am gratefull to have all my faculties in spite of the years of abuse, the waking up in the middle of the play-call in the huddle from a daze and lesser injuries that seemed just part of the game but take a toll over the years.

The final concussion of my career also showed a cracked vertabrae in my neck during x-rays.
That was it for me.

1535) Message boards : Politics : Cannabis prohibition has failed. It's time for a new approach. (Message 865879)
Posted 15 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Krisk makes many fine points relating to the industry that has built up around the prohibition of cannabis.
So many agencies, departments and law enforcement entities have too much at stake to risk losing their funding, both from governmental and confiscated sources.

In the end, I believe this prohibition will be stopped, but there will be years of infighting before that happens.

I won't even get into the injustice of throwing someone in prison for having a baggy of pot while allowing white collar crime, which affects millions of citizens, to go virtually unpunished.







1536) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Mackenzie’s Music Thread (Message 865874)
Posted 15 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The Moody Blues expressed our search for deeper meanings to our very existence through music.
They seemed to find ways of asking the questions about what this is all about while never losing sight of the adventure that is life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yco6eN5KIOY
1537) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What Is Your Weather Like? II (Message 865870)
Posted 15 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

That's pretty cold for BC! I guess you can't grow bananas in your backyard, like they do in Victoria?

Makes SW Ontario look semi-tropical in comparison:


LOL
The coast and south/west corner of the province is almost a seperate country.
The rest of the province gets real winters just like the rest of Canada.







1538) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What Is Your Weather Like? II (Message 865731)
Posted 15 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Today's Conditions
Observed on: February 15 2009 at 03:00 AM PST, Prince George

Current -22 C

Clear
High: -7 °C
Low: -20 °C
POP: 0 %
Evening

Not Available
Low: -20 °C

Pressure: 102.6 KPa
Visibility: 24 Km
Humidity: 90 %
Wind: 00 Km/h
UV: Low
Sunrise: 07:31 PST
Sunset: 17:19 PST




1539) Message boards : Politics : Fun With Libertarian Policies (Message 865729)
Posted 15 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Social Security
Securing Your Retirement

Politicians in Washington are stealing your future.

Every year, they take 12.4% of your income to prop up their failed Social Security system - a system that is heading toward bankruptcy.

If you are an American earning the median income of $31,695 per year, and were given the option of investing that same amount of money in a stock mutual fund, you would retire a millionaire - without winning the lottery or a TV game show.

That million dollars would provide you with a retirement income of over $100,000 per year - about five times what you could expect from Social Security.

Even a very conservative investment strategy would yield three times the benefits promised by Social Security.


WOW
There's some serious math involved in this one to retire with $100,000 per year based on an annual income of $31,695.
Of course, you'd have to place the entire yearly income into the fund for over 31 years to reach one million dollars.
Under the libertarian new order, without minimum wage protections, I believe that the median income would very quickly drop far below this $31,695, so this too is deceiving and dishonest.
Seems the libertarians and their members such as Whiplash Willy aren't above telling flat out lies in their quest to recruit the masses to further their selfish desires.

Never underestimate the idle rich. They have the time and money to back their quest for more of your hard earned cash.
And they never spilled a drop of sweat to aquire theirs.

More later, it's getting very late and I don't want to put too much on Whiplash Willy's plate at one time.

1540) Message boards : Politics : Fun With Libertarian Policies (Message 865724)
Posted 15 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
4. Reform education
There can be no serious attempt to solve the problem of poverty in America without addressing our failed government-run school system. Nearly forty years after Brown vs. Board of Education, America's schools are becoming increasingly segregated, not on the basis of race, but on income. Wealthy and middle class parents are able to send their children to private schools, or at least move to a district with better public schools. Poor families are trapped -- forced to send their children to a public school system that fails to educate.

It is time to break up the public education monopoly and give all parents the right to decide what school their children will attend. It is essential to restore choice and the discipline of the marketplace to education. Only a free market in education will provide the improvement in education necessary to enable millions of Americans to escape poverty.


This policy is designed to entrench and institutionalize poverty, not help citizens escape it.
Once these pigs remove even the minimum wage protections and start to privatize all schools, the families living in poverty will be unable to scrape together enough bus fair for their child to attend the school of their choice.
Never mind the fact that the wealthy kids will be attending schools priced so far above the means of even those parents with "so called" good jobs.

I don't think there's going to be any danger that Whiplash Willy's children will be rubbing shoulders with some poor sharecropper's child in school.
1541) Message boards : Politics : Fun With Libertarian Policies (Message 865723)
Posted 15 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
3. Tear down barriers to entrepreneurism and economic growth
Almost everyone agrees that a job is better than any welfare program. Yet for years this country has pursued tax and regulatory policies that seem perversely designed to discourage economic growth and reduce entrepreneurial opportunities. Someone starting a business today needs a battery of lawyers just to comply with the myriad of government regulations from a virtual alphabet soup of government agencies: OSHA, EPA, FTC, CPSC, etc. Zoning and occupational licensing laws are particularly damaging to the type of small businesses that may help people work their way out of poverty.

In addition, government regulations such as minimum wage laws and mandated benefits drive up the cost of employing additional workers. We call for the repeal of government regulations and taxes that are steadily cutting the bottom rungs off the economic ladder.


According to this, everyone wishing to set up a porn shop next door to Whiplash Willy will have the opportunity.
Once those pesky zoning laws are eliminated, I'm quite sure he will be receiving all kinds of congratulatory messages from the other neighbors in his gated community.

Maybe, after the libertarians do away with the EPA, the porn merchants operating next door can also open a toxic waste dump out back of the store.
Who needs regulations that hinder the free market in all it's wisdom?

Of course I'm only joking about this because eliminating the EPA and industrial regulations is only to make it easier for the wealthy factory owners to dump in the poorer areas where the citizens won't have the resources to fight the big corporate pigs.

Another example of their total Marie Antoinette mindset is the elimination of minimum wage protections.
What kind of selfish bastards would spend their life in inherited splendor while denying some poor slob a minimum wage?

Again, thoughts of the French Revolution come to mind when reading this garbage.
1542) Message boards : Politics : Fun With Libertarian Policies (Message 865720)
Posted 15 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I've grown so very tired of Whiplash Willy and his opportunistic self interested rants that I've decided to point out the short sighted, selfish and moronic platforms cited in the libertarian party's website.

Here's the link so you can verify that I'm not making this stuff up by just pulling it out of my arse.
http://www.lp.org/issues

1. End Welfare
None of the proposals currently being advanced by either conservatives or liberals is likely to fix the fundamental problems with our welfare system. Current proposals for welfare reform, including block grants, job training, and "workfare" represent mere tinkering with a failed system.

It is time to recognize that welfare cannot be reformed: it should be ended.

We should eliminate the entire social welfare system. This includes eliminating AFDC, food stamps, subsidized housing, and all the rest. Individuals who are unable to fully support themselves and their families through the job market must, once again, learn to rely on supportive family, church, community, or private charity to bridge the gap.


I cannot fathom the depths of selfishness necessary in an individual to take such a stand against their fellow citizens.
The libertarian party consists mainly of pampered elites living on inherited fortunes, yet somehow they feel the moral authority to dictate how the poor should live.
This, of course, is closely tied to their belief in drastically reducing if not totaly eliminating income taxes.
By making the poor a scapegoat for having the nerve to wish to feed themselves, the libertarians can stir up hatred for the needy by focussing anger upon them and deflecting anger from themselves for their self interested greed and refusal to help their fellow citizens.

"Let them eat cake" comes to mind when I think of the attitudes expressed in their website, and we all know what happened to the last person to say that.

Placing the poor at the mercy of private charities, churches and family doesn't eliminate the problem or the expenses associated with it.
The funding will still be necessary, whether from government or private sources.
The difference being government's ability to spread help more evenly throughout the nation.

The private sources will have the resources in a few regions but most areas of the country will be spread too thin to protect those in need.




1543) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Mackenzie’s Music Thread (Message 865685)
Posted 15 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I didn't take offense to anything you said and was very suprised to see you felt you may have done so. Fear not, for you are one of the good ones.
I was just looking for something elevating to add to the list and the Brightman/Bocelli duet popped into my mind.
It's magnificent.

My feelings won't be hurt by someone not liking GFR as much as I do, so rest easy KenzieB.
1544) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Mackenzie’s Music Thread (Message 865677)
Posted 15 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'll admit GFR is an aquired taste for many.

In keeping with the original theme of this thread, I'd like to offer something that elevates the soul and depicts our species at it's best.
I love this piece

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohXI3po8hK0
1545) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Mackenzie’s Music Thread (Message 865656)
Posted 15 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
JeezLouise
I gave the wrong link
Oh well, Johnny's always good too. Just think of this as a bonus song.

This should be Grand Funk Railroad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x6chChxzV0

I've been sending links to a friend at work who has a radio program at the university radio station. I suppose I should delete them all now to end the possibility of further confusions on my part.

CFUR is located on the campus of The University of Northern British Columbia (UNBC)
His show is called Air Guitar.
Programing can be listened to online at this link.
http://www.cfur.ca/
1546) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy Valentines Day (Message 865632)
Posted 15 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
LOL
She used to drop hints well in advance.
Now she leaves me twisting in the wind at the end of a rope of my own making.
1547) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Mackenzie’s Music Thread (Message 865628)
Posted 15 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I've always been a fan of the power trio, from Cream to Wolfmother.
Here's Grand Funk Railroad at their peak. IMHO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGZTikKCJvg
1548) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy Valentines Day (Message 865626)
Posted 15 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
RRRRR
I messed up and forgot it is both Valentine's Day and my parent's anniversary.

A quick phonecall to my folks and a nice lunch downtown with Mrs. Leftist seems to have calmed the waters.
How do these things always seem to sneak up on me without my awareness?
1549) Message boards : Politics : The selling off of American Energy Companies (Message 865623)
Posted 15 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Pour through your libertarian leaflets for a thousand years and you'll not find a connection between capitalism and ownership of a damned computer.

A) Why, 'cuz you sez so? What possibly could give your readers even the slightest indication that you've ever even seen such a thing, let alone many of them?


YOUR YOUR YOUR
I said YOUR leaflets

The only place you'd find libertarian literature around here would be in an outhouse as emergency toiletpaper.
sheesh
1550) Message boards : Politics : The selling off of American Energy Companies (Message 865619)
Posted 15 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I see where you are getting confused.
You are blending the capitalist system, capitalists and those forced to live within the system into a single entity.

The capitalists are the ones who created this system that is, not a big suprise, reliant upon capitalists.

The capitalist system is structured to focus the main flow of capital toward the few at the top of the food chain.
It's a hell of a deal if you are one of the controllers.

Sadly, the vast majority are not now, nor ever will be at the top of the food chain and even though we all work for money and use that money to facilitate exchanges of goods and services it doesn't make us a capitalist.
I think the term "wage slave of the capitalists" would be more accurate.

It ain't so just because I says so...it just is.
1551) Message boards : Politics : The selling off of American Energy Companies (Message 865575)
Posted 15 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Pour through your libertarian leaflets for a thousand years and you'll not find a connection between capitalism and ownership of a damned computer.

Just admit that you made a blanket statement that was wrong.

A capitalist is one who uses their capital (money) to invest in the abilities and skills of others.
That is why Lincoln said labour comes first.
Without labour, the capitalist has nothing to invest in.

The reality of the capitalist is they create nothing. They build nothing.
They simply invest in the abilities of others to create and build.

I am not a capitalist. I actually provide something of myself to the job.
You won't find me lounging by the pool waiting for my dividend cheques to roll in.
1552) Questions and Answers : GPU applications : CUDA question (Message 865291)
Posted 14 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'm still not sold on CUDA.
Even as a two fingered typist, I'm finding the delay factor annoying.

I'll allow CUDA to run until I can compare the results with my pre-CUDA RAC.

As for gaming, before CUDA I always shut BOINC down to play because of the lag.
Now I have to shut BOINC down to view emails.
1553) Message boards : Politics : The selling off of American Energy Companies (Message 864864)
Posted 13 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thank you Hev and aristo

I've been working long hard hours on snow removal and really don't have the energy to argue with such an overblown ideolog.
Stick a fork in it Rush, it's done.
Time now for some sleep.
1554) Questions and Answers : GPU applications : CUDA and '.03' processors (Message 864496)
Posted 12 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
My computer was down for two weeks so I'm waiting for my RAC to build back up and level off.
If it goes higher than before, all is good.
If it is lower, I guess I'll have to do something like disable CUDA.

1555) Message boards : Politics : The selling off of American Energy Companies (Message 864258)
Posted 11 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
What does ownership have to do with capitalism??????

For all you know I bartered for my computer or even stole it.
Whatever way it was aquired and became my property has no connection to being a capitalist.

I don't think you even know what a real capitalist is.

Let me type this very slowly so you'll understand.

Using money in a transaction does not make one a capitalist.
Working for wages does not make one a capitalist.
Ownership does not make one a capitalist.





1556) Message boards : Politics : Fun with Leg to Arm "Stimulus" Programs!! (Message 864015)
Posted 10 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Blood drawn from a leg to be injected back into the arm is just stupid. Why take blood from a system with good circulation and equal pressure throughout?

Unless, of course, the leg is so grotesquely swollen with more blood than it can possibly use or need in a hundred lifetimes and the arm has had it's blood supply strangled off to the point where it is unusable and suffering damage due to loss of nutrients and oxygen.

My diagnosis:
Cut off the leg to save the arm.

Now you don't have a leg to stand on and I can still wave bye bye to you.




1557) Questions and Answers : GPU applications : CUDA and '.03' processors (Message 864008)
Posted 10 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
At this moment my computer is grinding away on one CUDA task and one astropulse task.
I suppose I'll just have to trust those who say this is up to 10 times faster, because after all, some of these guys really are rocket scientists doing things the rest of us can only dream of.



1558) Message boards : Politics : Fun with Leg to Arm "Stimulus" Programs!! (Message 864003)
Posted 10 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Public Revolt Builds Against Rip-off Rescue Plans
by Naomi Klein, The Nation, February 5, 2009

Watching the crowds in Iceland banging pots and pans until their government fell reminded me of a chant popular in anti-capitalist circles back in 2002: "You are Enron. We are Argentina."

Its message was simple enough. You—politicians and CEOs huddled at some trade summit—are like the reckless scamming execs at Enron (of course, we didn't know the half of it). We—the rabble outside—are like the people of Argentina, who, in the midst of an economic crisis eerily similar to our own, took to the street banging pots and pans. They shouted, "¡Que se vayan todos!" ("All of them must go!") and forced out a procession of four presidents in less than three weeks. What made Argentina's 2001-02 uprising unique was that it wasn't directed at a particular political party or even at corruption in the abstract. The target was the dominant economic model—this was the first national revolt against contemporary deregulated capitalism.

It's taken a while, but from Iceland to Latvia, South Korea to Greece, the rest of the world is finally having its ¡Que se vayan todos! moment.

The stoic Icelandic matriarchs beating their pots flat even as their kids ransack the fridge for projectiles (eggs, sure, but yogurt?) echo the tactics made famous in Buenos Aires. So does the collective rage at elites who trashed a once thriving country and thought they could get away with it. As Gudrun Jonsdottir, a 36-year-old Icelandic office worker, put it: "I've just had enough of this whole thing. I don't trust the government, I don't trust the banks, I don't trust the political parties and I don't trust the IMF. We had a good country, and they ruined it."

Another echo: in Reykjavik, the protesters clearly won't be bought off by a mere change of face at the top (even if the new PM is a lesbian). They want aid for people, not just banks; criminal investigations into the debacle; and deep electoral reform.

Similar demands can be heard these days in Latvia, whose economy has contracted more sharply than any country in the EU, and where the government is teetering on the brink. For weeks the capital has been rocked by protests, including a full-blown, cobblestone-hurling riot on January 13. As in Iceland, Latvians are appalled by their leaders' refusal to take any responsibility for the mess. Asked by Bloomberg TV what caused the crisis, Latvia's finance minister shrugged: "Nothing special."

But Latvia's troubles are indeed special: the very policies that allowed the "Baltic Tiger" to grow at a rate of 12 percent in 2006 are also causing it to contract violently by a projected 10 percent this year: money, freed of all barriers, flows out as quickly as it flows in, with plenty being diverted to political pockets. (It is no coincidence that many of today's basket cases are yesterday's "miracles": Ireland, Estonia, Iceland, Latvia.)

Something else Argentina-esque is in the air. In 2001 Argentina's leaders responded to the crisis with a brutal International Monetary Fund-prescribed austerity package: $9 billion in spending cuts, much of it hitting health and education. This proved to be a fatal mistake. Unions staged a general strike, teachers moved their classes to the streets and the protests never stopped.

This same bottom-up refusal to bear the brunt of the crisis unites many of today's protests. In Latvia, much of the popular rage has focused on government austerity measures—mass layoffs, reduced social services and slashed public sector salaries—all to qualify for an IMF emergency loan (no, nothing has changed). In Greece, December's riots followed a police shooting of a 15-year-old. But what's kept them going, with farmers taking the lead from students, is widespread rage at the government's crisis response: banks got a $36 billion bailout while workers got their pensions cut and farmers received next to nothing. Despite the inconvenience caused by tractors blocking roads, 78 percent of Greeks say the farmers' demands are reasonable. Similarly, in France the recent general strike—triggered in part by President Sarkozy's plans to reduce the number of teachers dramatically—inspired the support of 70 percent of the population.

Perhaps the sturdiest thread connecting this global backlash is a rejection of the logic of "extraordinary politics"—the phrase coined by Polish politician Leszek Balcerowicz to describe how, in a crisis, politicians can ignore legislative rules and rush through unpopular "reforms." That trick is getting tired, as South Korea's government recently discovered. In December, the ruling party tried to use the crisis to ram through a highly controversial free trade agreement with the United States. Taking closed-door politics to new extremes, legislators locked themselves in the chamber so they could vote in private, barricading the door with desks, chairs and couches.

Opposition politicians were having none of it: with sledgehammers and an electric saw, they broke in and staged a twelve-day sit-in of Parliament. The vote was delayed, allowing for more debate—a victory for a new kind of "extraordinary politics."

Here in Canada, politics is markedly less YouTube-friendly—but it has still been surprisingly eventful. In October the Conservative Party won national elections on an unambitious platform. Six weeks later, our Tory prime minister found his inner ideologue, presenting a budget bill that stripped public sector workers of the right to strike, canceled public funding for political parties and contained no economic stimulus. Opposition parties responded by forming a historic coalition that was only prevented from taking power by an abrupt suspension of Parliament. The Tories have just come back with a revised budget: the pet right-wing policies have disappeared, and it is packed with economic stimulus.

The pattern is clear: governments that respond to a crisis created by free-market ideology with an acceleration of that same discredited agenda will not survive to tell the tale. As Italy's students have taken to shouting in the streets: "We won't pay for your crisis!"

This article was first published in The Nation.


Greece
Watch footage of the December protests while a student organizer discusses the demonstrators' demands. http://www.democracynow.org/2008/12/11/greek_uprising_protests_riots_strikes_enter

See Greek farmers blockade one of the Greek-Bulgarian border crossings.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zZpiKN8wrXk

South Korea
Watch legislators get tear-gassed, view the furniture barricaded against the door in Parliament. http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=CA&hl=en&v=TqvdJSO6Ssc

See 200 security guards storm Parliament and brawl with protesters.http://english.ntdtv.com/?c=151&a=6819

Iceland
Watch protesters banging on pots, pans, windows, & drums, and see some of the Icelanders' demands.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmKPEQLpATo

See more footage of the "Saucepan Revolution" in this Reuters segment.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-COMGdVYpM

Latvia
Watch raw footage of the January 13 protests in Riga.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6TNr1OVVrA




1559) Questions and Answers : GPU applications : CUDA and '.03' processors (Message 863754)
Posted 9 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I've been looking all through the forums for this topic.

Since starting up with CUDA on a GeForce 8600GT Saturday I very quickly noticed that instead of four tasks being run at the same time I was down to one.
The single running task is using 0.03 CPU's and 1 CUDA.

While Kaylie doesn't have as poor a performance level as I do, we seem to have a similar problem.

1560) Message boards : Politics : The selling off of American Energy Companies (Message 863735)
Posted 9 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
OK
I'll bite even though I am quite certain as to where this will end up.

What possible connection can there be between ownership of a computer and being a capitalist?


1561) Message boards : Politics : Invading Pakistan. (Message 863297)
Posted 7 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Does this mean that he is going to take the troops out of Iraq and put them in Pakistan to continue Bush's war on terror? Is he going to ignore international law the same way Bush has ignored the Constitution? I hope not.


Allow the president to invade a neighboring nation, whenever he shall deem it necessary to repel an invasion, and you allow him to do so whenever he may choose to say he deems it necessary for such a purpose - and you allow him to make war at pleasure.

Abraham Lincoln
1562) Message boards : Politics : The selling off of American Energy Companies (Message 863293)
Posted 7 Feb 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


So, before this person denigrates speculators ("investors") further, he should stop to think. If nobody invested, where would this country be?



Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.
Abraham Lincoln








1563) Message boards : Politics : Fun with Gitmo!! (Message 856854)
Posted 23 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Or, this whole story is based on the word of anonymous republican operatives attempting to validate the policies of the last administration to quite down calls for investigations into abuses committed under those same policies.

One thing is certain. If they weren't terrorists before spending 7 years under American torture, they sure as hell will be now.

Good job Bush/Cheney.
1564) Message boards : Politics : G W has left the building........Farewell to G W Bush. (Message 856849)
Posted 23 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Only sycophants and toadies clung to him as it became apparent that he was in over his head.

To you, maybe. Most of the Democrats you seems so in love with supported (and voted fore) most of his programs, wars, and whatnot.

He was never the most powerful man on Earth and his performance in office made it very clear just what a petty, mean and just plain dumb person can do in a position of authority.

Again, to you maybe. I'm not really sure if you can understand the term "most powerful man on Earth," if you don't think that that term applies to a sitting President of the United States.

Anyone else note the irony in Robert referring to someone else as a "just plain dumb person?"

High office demands high ability and this ex-drunken ex-druggy ex-draft dodger exhibited almost none.

Don't you ever tired of being stone cold dead wrong? High office, especially this one, demands absolutely NOTHING besides being a natural born citizen of the United States, being at least thirty-five years old, having been a permanent resident in the United States for at least fourteen years, and getting 270 votes in the Electoral College.

Your silly editorializing aside, there's no need for any ability, high moral standards, principles, skill, education, grace, or nearly anything else.


First off rushybaby, I am not so in love with the Democrats. They are further to the right than the Conservative party we have holding on with a minority government here in Canada.

The Democrats just happen to be the only viable or realistic alternative to the American Nazis who call themselves Republicans.

Another point that seems to have escaped your rather narrow vision is that the power of the office in no way reflects the power of the man.
What can pinhead do now?
Nothing of importance or notice.

He's off to fade from our conciousness like the lightweight nothing he was meant to be, while the office of president goes on.

As long as people like you believe that ability isn't important in the holder of the office of president, you'll always end up with buffoons like him striving for that office and achieving it.
Leaving the rest of the world to wonder just what the hell is wrong with the American electorate.

You actually seem to hold me to a higher standard than you held Bush to.
What a sad state of affairs.
(raspberry noise)

Of course, libertarians enjoy bad government because it helps drive people toward their selfish party.
So just keep on voting for idiots, fools and underachievers.
1565) Message boards : Politics : G W has left the building........Farewell to G W Bush. (Message 856318)
Posted 22 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Only sycophants and toadies clung to him as it became apparent that he was in over his head.

He was never the most powerful man on Earth and his performance in office made it very clear just what a petty, mean and just plain dumb person can do in a position of authority.

High office demands high ability and this ex-drunken ex-druggy ex-draft dodger exhibited almost none.
1566) Message boards : Politics : G W has left the building........Farewell to G W Bush. (Message 855017)
Posted 18 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
President Bush is getting blamed for a lot of things he had no control over. Maybe we should give Obama control over more of the economy. Could the country do any worse with Obama at the helm than it did on auto-pilot.

I mean really, People with no proof, Outside of Rumors, Say Bush Lied, Or cause their were No Weapons of Mass Destruction they'll say He lied and made It all up, Why?

Paranoia, Ignorance of how Government works, Having an Axe to Grind, I could go on, But even I don't know why.

CNN broadcast Saddam saying that He(Saddam) let It be known that Iraq had WMDs in Iraq, Why?

To keep Iran from invading Iraq Saddam said, Saddam also said that He didn't think the US would invade, But We did, As the USA, the UN and the UK bought His story hook, line and sinker as the Intelligence agencies didn't know they'd been conned.


Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein in an unknown location in
Iraq after his capture in 2003.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/01/27/saddam.cbs/index.html#


Stupid is, as stupid does.

I guess the only way for many people to stay sane is to believe that the CIA and every intelligence service on Earth were hoodwinked by a simpleton running a weak,third rate country in the middle of the desert.

By allowing their Fratboy president the wiggle room to get away with his claims of bad intelligence leading up to the invasion of a vastly inferior opponent, they are granting themselves the same wiggle room when it comes to their blind trust in the president.

Sorry, but the evidence has been in front of you all along.
As soon as Bush pulled the weapons inspectors out of Iraq and started bombing, before the inspections had been completed, I knew it was all a fraud.


1567) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Website of the Day Part 2 (Message 855014)
Posted 18 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
For those wishing to keep tabs on the northern lights

http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/pmap/pmapN.html
1568) Message boards : Cafe SETI : FreeRice (II) New Year's Donation Challenge - 2,748,460 Grains! (Message 853671)
Posted 15 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
900
1569) Message boards : Politics : ISRAEL /PALESTINE (Message 853651)
Posted 15 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Edit: It also sounds like You are saying Israel has no right to Defend Itself Like any other country on earth does?


No one has ever said Israel does not have the right to defend itself.
I believe that every nation on Earth has not just the right to a defense but the duty to defend it's citizens against invading forces.

The problem with your unquestioning support of Israel's right to defend itself is that Israel is the aggressor in this case.
It is Israeli expansion that has caused this latest round of fighting.

Do the Palestinians not also have the right of self defense?
Is the expansion of Israel not the action of an aggressor nation?






1570) Message boards : Cafe SETI : FreeRice (II) New Year's Donation Challenge - 2,748,460 Grains! (Message 853410)
Posted 14 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
620 yesterday
610 this morning
Too tired to think...graveyard shift is killing me. Time to get some sleep.
1571) Message boards : Politics : ISRAEL /PALESTINE (Message 852135)
Posted 11 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Israel has given up territory, relinquished settlements...


Seems that this news hasn't reached Condoleeza Rice yet.


http://www.arabicnews.com/ansub/Daily/Day/080616/2008061623.html
1572) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Any New Dads around ? (Message 852122)
Posted 11 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
You think you can't sleep now?
Wait until you are sleeping in on some beautiful morning and then suddenly get your first running, flying double knee drop into your groin apples from a toddler.
Since then, if my boy is awake, so am I...and he's fifteen now.

Have fun. It's all worthwhile.
1573) Message boards : Cafe SETI : FreeRice (II) New Year's Donation Challenge - 2,748,460 Grains! (Message 852120)
Posted 11 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
6,680

Most done by my son working on his french vocabulary
1574) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What Is Your Weather Like? (Message 852074)
Posted 11 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
-2C
Light snow

grrr---overcast again.
We've had one clear night since Christmas (last night) and I had to work.
I'm beginning to think the universe doesn't want me peeking at it with the scope.
1575) Message boards : Politics : ISRAEL /PALESTINE (Message 852070)
Posted 11 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I you refuse to accept that Israel is expanding into their territories further every day, building new settlements and taking over the most productive agricultural lands and water resources, there's really nothing I can add.

I suggest reading Failed States by Noam Chomsky.
There's at least one chapter (going by my poor memory) on this very situation which also ties in the American involvement.
1576) Message boards : Politics : ISRAEL /PALESTINE (Message 852061)
Posted 11 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
guido.man Since the US didn't exist before 1776, It is not a part of US History, But then Columbus was not an American as America as a nation didn't exist for several hundred years. It would be good If the Wiki could reference this work.


SJ
You really need to start seeking the truth about this world from sources other than those providing sanitized versions which fit the historical myths prefered by those in charge of engineering thought and attitudes.

The truth about events in the world is the last thing on the minds of those directing news at Fox and other corporate networks.
They provide the viewer with just the information needed to bring you around to accepting their worldviews.

That's probably why you have such a view of Muslims. Before these propagandists started spouting their venom about Muslims, I venture that you never gave the religion a second thought.
1577) Message boards : Politics : ISRAEL /PALESTINE (Message 852053)
Posted 11 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
SJ
You did not hold Columbus up as an example of a good American.
You used him as an example of a good Christian, as in 'not a Muslim'.

What guido.man has provided (thank you) is proof that the idea of some sort of superiority of religious belief is bullshit.
Muslims are not all evil and Christians are not all good.

What's going on in Gaza is not based on religion.
It is simply a fight over lands and resources.

The Palestinians are not fighting because they are Muslim.
They are fighting because they are oppressed and treated like dogs.

1578) Message boards : Politics : The selling off of American Energy Companies (Message 851998)
Posted 11 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


You mean heavily regulated... which explains the problems.


Are you actually claiming that the US economy has been over regulated these past 3 decades and that is the cause of this current economic crisis?

It's not very often I find myself at a loss for words but this is one of those times.

Heil Reagan



1579) Message boards : Politics : The selling off of American Energy Companies (Message 851997)
Posted 11 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Yes, I admit that I believe in socialism.
With that comes the concern for the well being of everyone as a collective entity.

The strident capitalist has no regard for the collective, or the well being of it's members, and therefore cares nothing for your situation or circumstance.
The capitalist believes only in the power of his money and his ability to buy your skills to meet his needs.

As a pack animal, which is what we are, which attitude is the best example to emulate in bettering our society?
Trying to go it alone or working as a group?
1580) Message boards : Politics : ISRAEL /PALESTINE (Message 851991)
Posted 11 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Thankfully Christopher Columbus is/was Catholic and not a Muslim.


I think you have inadvertantly opened the wrong door in your search for evidence to back your claims.

Columbus, and his crimes against humanity are very well documented.
Were he alive today, he'd be standing before the World Court facing charges for his part in these crimes.

The indigenous peoples of the New World were raped, enslaved and murdered for sport by this good follower of Christ.
His own log books contain vast amounts of evidence to his crimes.

He's not the man we all read about in our school books.
His legacy is one of death, destruction and great anguish to every person he encountered in his travels.

1581) Message boards : Cafe SETI : FreeRice (II) New Year's Donation Challenge - 2,748,460 Grains! (Message 851978)
Posted 11 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
4,120
I see the eagle has been flying high today. Well done SE.
1582) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Noisy Apartment Tenent (Message 851732)
Posted 10 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Rather than going to the trouble of organizing tenents and hiring lawyers while keeping notes and records of all disturbances, maybe it's just "time to say goodbye" and leave the building.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohXI3po8hK0
1583) Message boards : Cafe SETI : FreeRice (II) New Year's Donation Challenge - 2,748,460 Grains! (Message 851720)
Posted 10 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
5,000
It's very clear to me now that I know nothing about art.
I'll avoid that subject in future.
1584) Message boards : Cafe SETI : FreeRice (II) New Year's Donation Challenge - 2,748,460 Grains! (Message 851587)
Posted 10 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
4,220
Time to get ready for work.

1585) Message boards : Cafe SETI : FreeRice (II) New Year's Donation Challenge - 2,748,460 Grains! (Message 851571)
Posted 10 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
5,760 this morning before bedtime.
1586) Message boards : Politics : The selling off of American Energy Companies (Message 851562)
Posted 10 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I was mocking corporate talk.

Let me know how that whole unfettered and unregulated capitalism thing works out for you in the states.
1587) Message boards : Politics : ISRAEL /PALESTINE (Message 851374)
Posted 9 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
How is it possible to have sympathy for Israel when it is creating carnage in Gaza? Waging war on the civilian population is in violation of international humanitarian law.


It's not about sympathy.
It's about arms sales in the short term while maintaining Israel as a state so the religious right can have their much anticipated rapture.
WHOOSH---up through the sky.
1588) Message boards : Cafe SETI : alien incounter (Message 851360)
Posted 9 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Here's one more in keeping with the thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kya3dUi6ceI
1589) Message boards : Cafe SETI : One Born Every Minute - P T Barnum Was Right (Message 851357)
Posted 9 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
LOL
Looks like it cures everything but stinky feet.
1590) Message boards : Politics : The selling off of American Energy Companies (Message 851196)
Posted 9 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Jeez dude
I see nothing in this thread to indicate union involvement in any way.
Change the music.
1591) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Noisy Apartment Tenent (Message 851195)
Posted 9 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I think that same guy lived above me 25 years ago.

I found it a great incentive to start saving my down payment on a house.
1592) Message boards : Politics : ISRAEL /PALESTINE (Message 851157)
Posted 9 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I heard some totals on casualties today on the radio.
Over 700 Palestinians dead, approx 250 of them children.
10 Israelis dead, 4 of them by friendly fire.

The only thing holey in the Holy Lands are the bodies of the dead.
This is a sick, twisted civilization.
I'm sure the rest of the universe can't wait for us to expand outward from this planet. At the first sign of our developing interstellar travel, the rest of the sentient beings in the universe will probably snuff us out like a colony of cockroaches.
1593) Message boards : Politics : The selling off of American Energy Companies (Message 851151)
Posted 9 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

The employees of the company will see little or no change.


Until synergies are rationalized to optimize vertical integration of talents, abilities and duplication of proccesses leading to... ah hell, here's your pink slip. Get out, and don't steal that pencil.
1594) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Seems our alien friends disapprove of renewable energy! (Message 850902)
Posted 8 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'm leaning toward the flying cow theory.
1595) Message boards : Politics : The selling off of American Energy Companies (Message 850881)
Posted 8 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

How does this endanger people's lives?


I believe the reference is to the quality of the people's lives that are about to be impacted, most likely in a negative way.

We all know that employees are the last thing considered when corporate decisions are being made, especially after the sale of a company or a merger happens.


1596) Message boards : Cafe SETI : alien incounter (Message 850604)
Posted 7 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:



When you look at a field full of cows how do you tell which one has most intelligence?


I suppose I'd just choose the one writing about and discussing at great length his theories on advanced physics.
Moo



1597) Message boards : Politics : ISRAEL /PALESTINE (Message 850308)
Posted 7 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Buffy is a national treasure in my mind.
But I think I'll be listening to more Donovan tonight from my pile of vinyl under the stairs.

Come to think of it, I don't have any Buffy albums...I'd better rectify that quickly.


He's the one who gives his body as a weapon of the war
and without him all this killin' can't go on.
1598) Message boards : Cafe SETI : alien incounter (Message 850300)
Posted 7 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
It's so simple that even Scottie could do it...

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Warp_drive
1599) Message boards : Politics : ISRAEL /PALESTINE (Message 850267)
Posted 7 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'll split, as long as I can go here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oQRTnnarf0

I saw Donovan in the late 70's when he played at the Anchor in Vancouver...what a great night.
1600) Message boards : Cafe SETI : alien incounter (Message 850261)
Posted 6 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I agree.
If ET visits this planet with such regularity, why pester only people like Wesley on some remote back country road instead of contacting someone like Stephen Hawking?

There's someone who would be credible as a witness and if he were cured of his ailments at the same time, would be even more believable.

(Message to all aliens monitoring SETI forums----follow advice contained within this post, Hawking is too valuable to be allowed to wither away---he deserves a fresh start---please---end message)
1601) Message boards : Cafe SETI : STAR TREK (Message 850255)
Posted 6 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I love Star Trek and all that has sprung from it.
What an uplifting vision of the future.
1602) Message boards : Politics : ISRAEL /PALESTINE (Message 849968)
Posted 6 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Call them anything you wish to.
The fact remains that they were living there before Israel was formed...they weren't bussed in after the fact.

This is a displaced people being pushed even further from their lands and homes by the Israelis who should be showing a greater understanding, based on their own history of brutal treatment by others, of what that does to a society and it's citizens.

1603) Message boards : Politics : ISRAEL /PALESTINE (Message 849939)
Posted 6 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
SJ
I think you'll find that the Palestinians were the people living on and working those lands when Israel was recreated
1604) Message boards : Politics : Wages and Margins. (Message 849936)
Posted 6 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
If we come to the point where we are willing to work for less than an uneducated rural Chinese migrant worker from some destitute backwater town, we'll find plenty of jobs coming back here.
Ironic indeed.
1605) Message boards : Politics : Wages and Margins. (Message 849881)
Posted 5 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

The Chinese are now getting a feel for the Capitalist life. Seems wages were becoming a major issue and factories are now unable to produce their intended goods at the agreed upon price. Such a shame that such a nice country could get hit with wage concerns


That would be the inflation I spoke of kicking in.
It also explains why deadly additives are being used in consumer goods such as toothpaste and milk products.
They even poisoned our pets last year in the chase to lower costs.

Yup, moving manufacturing to unregulated poverty zones around the world sure has been good for us consumers here in North America.
As an added bonus, we even get all of that mercury and lead in our consumables for nothing.

1606) Message boards : Politics : ISRAEL /PALESTINE (Message 849876)
Posted 5 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Israel's expansion into the West Bank is simply done to possess some of the most fertile lands and water resources in the region.
As the palestinians are crowded into smaller prison zones, surrounded by fences and guards, the resentment and outrage can only grow.

Palestinians are systematically being driven from their lands and their villages are becoming more and more isolated.
Movement between Palestinian townships is controlled by Israeli troops.

Israel is the aggressor in this situation but they have the backing of the U.S. and it's control of the media to whitewash their actions.

To believe that one side of this dispute, Muslims, are blinded by their religious beliefs while the other is not leads me to believe that someone has not read the Bible and seen that the Israelis also believe that they are God's chosen people and can do as they damned well please.
1607) Message boards : Politics : Wages and Margins. (Message 849824)
Posted 5 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The shipping of jobs overseas has had the twofold effect of transfering inflation to the counties doing our manufacturing and driving local wages down in the fruitless attempt to remain competitive.

While this seemed like a good idea to the corporate strategists, who have only seen their own salaries increase by unprecidented amounts along with the salaries of CEO's and boardroom types, it's the working class who've seen the darker side of globalization.

Cheap consumer goods is not the answer to an economic model that excludes the well being of working people.

End rant.
1608) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Wheres your nearest dish? (Message 849814)
Posted 5 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Here's our local astronomy club in Prince George, British Columbia.
My wife, Mrs. Lefty, signed me up for some courses starting Jan 17th.



Here's a link to their website.

http://vts.bc.ca/pgrasc/
1609) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What Is Your Weather Like? (Message 848583)
Posted 3 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
-28C
Nice day today though.
1610) Message boards : Cafe SETI : World's scariest hiking trail (Message 848579)
Posted 3 Jan 2009 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Very cool job KenzieB
Which nickname do you answer to...Skipper or Relic...É (hmmm, keyboard won`t type a question mark for some reason)ÉÉÉÉÉ

If I had a position like yours I might never have left Vancouver.
It`s a beautiful city but too damned big now.
1611) Message boards : Politics : Cannabis prohibition has failed. It's time for a new approach. (Message 847174)
Posted 31 Dec 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
tobacco and alcohol cause more health problems then cannabis and they are legal.
but we are not talking about the risk, we are talking about rescheduling and decriminalization. what someone does or put's in to their own body should not be controlled by the government.


I know people who smoke their wacky tobaccy all the time and they are very functional...I also know a few who are screw-ups.
I don't blame the wacky for their screwing up. That's just the way they have always been.

I've known men who have killed themselves by drinking too much. They couldn't stop themselves and none of us could convince them to stop either.

Myself, I'm a tobacco addict. I've been chewing spit tobacco for almost 30 years and have tried to quit a hundred times. I guess I must enjoy spitting.
Good thing I work outdoors year round.
My point is, we all know someone who has died due to tobacco use.

I agree with Agent420 when he/or/she says alcohol and tobacco cause more health problems.
As far as human vices go, cannabis is not one of the worst.


1612) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What Is Your Weather Like? (Message 846994)
Posted 31 Dec 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'll save myself some work for a few days...


Wednesday

Snow
POP: 90 %

Thursday

Snow
High: -12 °C
Low: -13 °C
POP: 30 %

Friday

Snow
High: -17 °C
Low: -21 °C
POP: 40 %

Saturday

Snow
High: -2 °C
Low: -17 °C
POP: 30 %

1613) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What Is Your Weather Like? (Message 846991)
Posted 31 Dec 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Current

Cloudy
High: -8 °C
POP: 90 %
Evening

Snow
POP: 90 %

Pressure: 101.9 KPa
Visibility: 64 Km
Humidity: 90 %
Wind: 11 Km/h N
Wind Chill: -18 C
UV: Low
Sunrise: 08:29 PST
Sunset: 15:57 PST

1614) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Website of the Day Part 2 (Message 846964)
Posted 30 Dec 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Many items of interest in this site too...you could spend the rest of the day in this one.

http://www.archive.org/index.php
1615) Message boards : Cafe SETI : ranting (Message 846816)
Posted 30 Dec 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Sorry to hear all this bad news but I don't blame society...just some of it's members.

I hope things improve for you in the new year.
1616) Message boards : Cafe SETI : hello friends! are you excited about the artificial sun? (Message 846754)
Posted 30 Dec 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

When is Man going to stop trying to play god??


That question may have been asked when man first learned to create and harness fire.

I often wonder though, is the reason we haven't encountered intelligence in the universe due to each civilization reaching a certain level of technological achievment and then obliterating themselves with that one experiment?



1617) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What Is Your Weather Like? (Message 846747)
Posted 30 Dec 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
-14C and snowing
1618) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Photos of large size II... Please keep them to 1024 X 768 (Message 846745)
Posted 30 Dec 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


You've got a heck of a view SE...envy in voice
1619) Message boards : Politics : Cannabis prohibition has failed. It's time for a new approach. (Message 846742)
Posted 30 Dec 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


if you live in society, you obey the rules which are put together by coverment which is normally elected by people, if you don´t obey, move to remote island.


I always have a problem with that argument because not very long ago the law stated that women, blacks, indians and those who were not landowners could not vote.
If everyone who disagreed with the laws of the land went to this remote island instead of speaking against unjust laws, nothing would have changed...except the population.


1620) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Website of the Day Part 2 (Message 846654)
Posted 30 Dec 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I found a site containing many films that are in the public domain.

http://www.publicdomaintorrents.com/index.html

Some of the cheeziest sci/fi films I've ever come across, with no fear of crossing the "Copyright Czar"

The films are listed according to genre.
Have fun
1621) Message boards : Politics : Cannabis prohibition has failed. It's time for a new approach. (Message 846570)
Posted 30 Dec 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Hmmmm
Rush and I agree on something.

Warning to the Devil...put on your long underwear. LOL

Happy New Year Rush
and to all the other crunchers of SETI numbers.
1622) Message boards : Politics : Shoe throwing (Message 846506)
Posted 29 Dec 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
If thats true then the new president will remove them from the middle east ,lets

wait and see.Maintaining bases could have come in as a secondary agenda and the

greatest mistake he has made is not getting out of iraq sooner because Us has

enough aircraft carriers to maintain around that region that are equivalent more

or less to bases and with less headache dont you think.


I think the new president will have trouble abandoning the largest embassy complex in the world.

While combat troops will most certainly be removed, a security force will remain in Iraq.

As for using carriers to enforce U.S. policies, there's nothing that compares with having well equiped troops on the ground.

Personally, I don't see the U.S. leaving the region until the last drop of oil is sucked out of the ground.
1623) Message boards : Politics : Shoe throwing (Message 846131)
Posted 28 Dec 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Well bush lost nothing on that day , but some people lost everything without even knowing what was happening so that comment is highly insulting.


We all remember the attacks on Sept 11 very well.
What most people don't understand is how invading Iraq could be the solution.

The only reason Bush and Cheney went into Iraq was to maintain a presence and have bases in the Middle East.
After submitting to the demands of Bin Laden and removing the U.S. bases from Saudi Arabia, the U.S. needed somewhere to park their equipment and troops and Iraq's number came up.

Have you not noticed that since moving the U.S. troops out of Saudi Arabia our old friend Bin Laden has not been a threat?

Hell, even Bush admitted that he doesn't waste time thinking about him anymore.
It seems that terror tactics do indeed work.
1624) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Gameing? (Message 846121)
Posted 28 Dec 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I know nothing about gameing, but I assume my box would work well, q6600@ 3.4 ,a low end video card,ATI radeon x1050 ,256mbddr.
What would I need to start? joystick? games?
Thanks just wondering what to do besides crunching.


I just had a look at your computer specs and I don't think you'll have a problem playing most games.
I'd talk to one of the kids at your local computer joint and ask about a really good video card. The kids all know what works best for gaming.
If you go for PC games, they can all be played with the keyboard and mouse so no aditional equipment is necessary.

Have fun campaigning or going online to play...if you play Halo CE look for me, I play under the name Meraloma.
1625) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What Is Your Weather Like? (Message 845740)
Posted 27 Dec 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
This one is made by Celestron Matthew.
It's nowhere near a top notch unit but still good enough for a noob like me.

Weather has warmed up to only -3C today. If I wasn't feeling so poorly I'd be out icefishing with my brother today.
1626) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Gameing? (Message 845608)
Posted 27 Dec 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Halo and Crysis are two great games
But you need a good video card
1627) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Photos of large size II... Please keep them to 1024 X 768 (Message 845547)
Posted 27 Dec 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
These snow pics are amazing. I haven't seen that much snow in my lifetime!


Granted, this is last winter, but I couldn't get my Jeep into my driveway one day after work.


1628) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What Is Your Weather Like? (Message 845546)
Posted 27 Dec 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thanks SJ
Antibiotics run out tomorrow, so back to the Dr. on Monday.

Been coughing for a month now and I've had enough, maybe a big fat cigar will clear me up. LOL
1629) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Cuda Cuda Cuda!!!!!!! (Message 845543)
Posted 27 Dec 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I never owned a Cuda, but I did have a '70 Charger very much like this baby.
My interior was metalic blue and no stripe on the rear.
I had people want out before we even drove out of the driveway because they noticed the speedo went up to 220 mph. LOL

I still regret letting her go. sniff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghQviJzGP_s&feature=related
1630) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What Is Your Weather Like? (Message 845539)
Posted 27 Dec 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The weather network seems to think I'll be waiting for some time before doing any stargazing.
Like I said earlier, it'll give me a chance to figure the thing out by reading the manual.

In keeping with the intent of this thread, it's snowing like he'll right now but warmed up to -13C.
1631) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What Is Your Weather Like? (Message 845533)
Posted 27 Dec 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thank you
I just downloaded from my wife's camera.
Here I be, sick as can be. But very happy.

1632) Message boards : Politics : Cannabis prohibition has failed. It's time for a new approach. (Message 845455)
Posted 26 Dec 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Cannabis prohibition has failed. It's time for a new approach.


Agreed.
To many lives have been destroyed by the prohibition and criminalization, which many will notice, didn't work when applied to booze either.
Although the prohibition of booze did make the Kennedy's stinky rich.

Disclaimer:
I'm not a user but still believe in the options of others to use.
1633) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What Is Your Weather Like? (Message 845452)
Posted 26 Dec 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Here she is Dr.
I'm really exited to use this.
I had a refractor telescope years ago and spent many hours watching the skies.
I noticed some dust had gotten inside so I thought I'd just take it apart and clean the prism. Long story short, it never worked properly after that. Some handyman I turned out to be.

I guess my wife decided to take pity on me after moaning about wanting another scope.

I just need some clear skies now. Looks like I'll be waiting for at least a week.
The best I have been able to do so far is look at some pine needles on a branch down the street.
1634) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What Is Your Weather Like? (Message 845079)
Posted 25 Dec 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
-16C in Prince George BC on this Christmas Day with light snow falling.

GRRRR
Mrs. Leftist suprised me with a Celestron 8" Schmidt-Cassegrain telescope...I'm looking forward to clear skies soon.

Oh well, this will give me time to read the manual. (Something that men are not known to do very often)

1635) Message boards : Cafe SETI : CHRISTMAS WISHES TO ALL (Message 844921)
Posted 25 Dec 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Merry Christmas everyone
1636) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What Is Your Weather Like? (Message 844918)
Posted 25 Dec 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Warmed up to -15C today...feels good after a week of -35C

Our weather has been so good that I'm down with a small pneumonia.
One small mercy though, my daughter volunteered to do all of my Christmas shopping this year.
I must look worse than I feel.LOL

Merry Christmas everyone.
1637) Message boards : Politics : Shoe throwing (Message 842792)
Posted 20 Dec 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Hell
I take my hat off to that shoe chucker.
If it were me throwing the shoe, there would have been a brick inside.
1638) Message boards : Politics : The unions have been hung by their own petards.............. (Message 842765)
Posted 20 Dec 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I am very F awake.
If you would lay off the binge drinking -(your own posts about your boozing is part of the record)- you might clear your mind.
1639) Message boards : Politics : The unions have been hung by their own petards.............. (Message 842698)
Posted 20 Dec 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:




My position has not changed.......
The unions, due to their greed and unwillingness to wake up to the real world.....are going down.

And yes, it's not going to be pretty for some of the retirees........

But then.......it's not going to be pretty for some of us living in the real world either....


Welcome to my world, UAW.........reality sucks, don't it?????



Well msattler
I see that your real problem with unions would be that their members aren't suffering enough.
Rather than support unions as a means of raising all working people to higher levels of wages and benefits, you choose to drag others down to your own level of compensation.
If you make lousy wages and benefits, everyone else should too.

I suppose that the reason your world and your reality suck is self inflicted.
Sad.
1640) Message boards : Politics : The unions have been hung by their own petards.............. (Message 842259)
Posted 19 Dec 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The auto industry has quietly been investing profits in overseas manufacturing plants for several years to the point where they now produce more vehicles outside North America than within.

Very soon, they will be in position to import all vehicles from overseas and crush the union worker.

They have also set up the pension plan as a giant Ponzi scheme where, instead of placing pension fund contributions from both employer and employee into a seperate plan, they have structured the pensions to be paid out to retired workers by present contributers to the plan.

The pension plan seems to be NOT fully funded and retired working people are about to be screwed royally.
1641) Message boards : Politics : The unions have been hung by their own petards.............. (Message 840550)
Posted 16 Dec 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Those bastard republicans understand business. They know that until the big 3 go into BK and shed their defined benefits pension plan and their 100% for life health coverage there is no possible way for any of the big 3 to turn a profit on their US operations. If the union won't negotiate this until the contract is up, then the Federal BK judge will have to impose it. It is going to happen, better for the union to negotiate the terms than be hung by them.




I don't get the anger at working people for having a pension and healthcare.

Do you feel in some way seeing union members lose benefits that you somehow gain something?

Let's not play the "Race to the Bottom" game that the corporate elites and pampered wealthy are inducing into the workplace.
Fight to protect what you and other working people have and then fight for more.
Screw the neocon bastards who started this decline in earnings for the working class.

Eat the rich.
1642) Message boards : Politics : The unions have been hung by their own petards.............. (Message 840240)
Posted 15 Dec 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Senate to Middle Class: Drop Dead

Friday, December 12th, 2008

Friends,

They could have given the loan on the condition that the automakers start building only cars and mass transit that reduce our dependency on oil.

They could have given the loan on the condition that the automakers build cars that reduce global warming.

They could have given the loan on the condition that the automakers withdraw their many lawsuits against state governments in their attempts to not comply with our environmental laws.

They could have given the loan on the condition that the management team which drove these once-great manufacturers into the ground resign and be replaced with a team who understands the transportation needs of the 21st century.

Yes, they could have given the loan for any of these reasons because, in the end, to lose our manufacturing infrastructure and throw 3 million people out of work would be a catastrophe.

But instead, the Senate said, we'll give you the loan only if the factory workers take a $20 an hour cut in wages, pension and health care. That's right. After giving BILLIONS to Wall Street hucksters and criminal investment bankers -- billions with no strings attached and, as we have since learned, no oversight whatsoever -- the Senate decided it is more important to break a union, more important to throw middle class wage earners into the ranks of the working poor than to prevent the total collapse of industrial America.

We have a little more than a month to go of this madness. As I sit here in Michigan today, tens of thousands of hard working, honest, decent Americans do not believe they can make it to January 20th. The malaise here is astounding. Why must they suffer because of the mistakes of every CEO from Roger Smith to Rick Wagoner? Make management and the boards of directors and the shareholders pay for this.

Of course that is heresy to the 31 Republicans who decided to blame the poor, miserable autoworkers for this mess. And our wonderful media complied with their spin on the morning news shows: "UAW Refuses to Give Concessions Killing Auto Bailout Bill." In fact the UAW has given concession after concession, reduced their benefits, agreed to get rid of the Jobs Bank and agreed to make it harder for their retirees to live from week to week. Yes! That's what we need to do! It's the Jobs Bank and the old people who have led the nation to economic ruin!

But even doing all that wasn't enough to satisfy the bastard Republicans. These Senate vampires wanted blood. Blue collar blood. You see, they weren't opposed to the bailout because they believed in the free market or capitalism. No, they were opposed to the bailout because they're opposed to workers making a decent wage. In their rage, they were driven to destroy the backbone of this country, not because the UAW hadn't given back enough, but because the UAW hadn't given up.

It appears that the sitting President has been looking for a way to end his reign by one magnanimous act, just like a warlord on his feast day. He will put his finger in the dyke, and the fragile mess of an auto industry will eke through the next few months.

That will give the Senate enough time to demand that the bankers and investment sharks who've already swiped nearly half of the $700 billion gift a chance to make the offer of cutting their pay.

Fat chance.

Yours,
Michael Moore
MMFlint@aol.com
MichaelMoore.com
1643) Message boards : Politics : The unions have been hung by their own petards.............. (Message 838009)
Posted 8 Dec 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
What does your interpretation of flexible include?

The problem comes when the overseers use flexibility to mean sourcing materials and parts made overseas, taking jobs away in North America.

When they say working people have to start working split shifts to cover peak periods, when more people should be hired instead.

When they put employees on call, rather than keep them around full-time.

When they force employees to do extra work on their own time before or after a shift. (paperwork, vehicle pre-trip inspections, maintenance, or having coffee breaks and lunches by the company phone to still take calls... etc)

The fastest growing business segments right now are the "temp" agencies.
Just another way to have disposable employees available.
Very flexible for the company but no security or future for the employees.

I always get nervous when any boss types start throwing that flex word around because it almost always means some crappy deal is in the works for the employees.
I also notice that flexibility goes only one way. The company has it's policies and rules written in stone, with no possible means of exercising flexibility on their own part.

It seems the corporate world is permitted to be like a rock while the workforce must be made even more pliable.
1644) Message boards : Politics : The unions have been hung by their own petards.............. (Message 837989)
Posted 8 Dec 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The unions are not part of the solution, they are part of the problem. Unionizing more industry in the US would lead to more outsourcing and even greater job losses. Furthermore, union shops have very little production flexibility, as evident in Detroit. Honda of America on the other hand has the flexibility of shifting production to meet customers' demands.


I really can't understand how anyone could possibly blame unions for the outsourcing of jobs to third world slave states.
The blame lies with the greed of the corporate elites.

Some union working person, making a decent living with the security of knowing they have healthcare when needed and a pension at the end of their working life cannot possibly be the source of the problem.

Focus your sights on the jerks making $40 million a year before you complain about working people.



1645) Message boards : Politics : The unions have been hung by their own petards.............. (Message 836635)
Posted 3 Dec 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
WHAT does that teach about our fellow workers?


Seems to indicate they all thought just as you do.

ME FIRST!
1646) Message boards : Politics : Obama - A New Hope? (Message 834119)
Posted 25 Nov 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
When newspapers, magazines and broadcast media seem slanted toward a candidate like Obama, do any of the Dittoheads ever think that it might be simply because Obama was the best candidate?

I'm more disgusted at the media for it's silence during the Bush/Cheney administration.
1647) Message boards : Politics : The unions have been hung by their own petards.............. (Message 833531)
Posted 23 Nov 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.alternet.org/workplace/41192/
1648) Message boards : Politics : The unions have been hung by their own petards.............. (Message 833513)
Posted 23 Nov 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iAIM02kv0g
1649) Message boards : Politics : The unions have been hung by their own petards.............. (Message 832896)
Posted 21 Nov 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Looking forward to your rant over the bail-out of the wealthy S-O-B's too.
Or are you only angry at working people?

I think the Wall St bail-out is so much more deserving of your anger than unions, who have fought for working standards, pensions, holidays, overtime, weekends, health care, maternity leave, and a little thing I like to call respect.

If you have seen some moron deliberately destroying the property of the employer with no retribution taken by that employer, the question becomes...who's to blame for that situation?
Every collective agreement has clear language on firing.
If the moron wasn't fired for his vandalism, don't blame the union.
Blame weak management for being the gutless little bumsniffers that they are.

The collective agreements contain steps the company has to take to fire an employee.
For performance problems, behaviour problems or substance abuse problems, there are provisions the company must make to allow the employee to turn the situation around and become productive.
If the employee does not comply with their end of turning their problems around, they will end up out of work.

In the case of willfull destruction of company property as you described, there are no procedures to follow or opportunities to rehabilitate behaviours to offer.
There is only the door.
If the company didn't exercise this right, it isn't the union's problem.
1650) Message boards : Politics : Obama - A New Hope? (Message 832153)
Posted 19 Nov 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Yes……I watch Fox News. I like to get all points of view on today’s issues. Not just the talking points from the Democrats. I see both sides of political issues by watching Hannity and Colmes. I see both sides of any discussions on Bill O’Reilly. In short, Fox News really is fair and balanced. Fox News leaves me to make up my own mind about issues, not be spoon fed the “proper” position to take on the issues as the rest of the mainstream media does. I am free to make up my own mind on issues knowing that I really have all the appropriate facts to make a sound decision.

Have you watched the video at How Obama Got Elected ? These are educated people. In fact these people are above the norm on education. They simply lacked all the information required to make an intelligent decision on whom to vote for. One girl admits that she may not have had all the information she needed.

King Obama may have received the majority of the votes but last time I looked 46% voted for McCain who ran a campaign that never intended to win. The next 4 years will prove to be disastrous for King Obama and the Democrats. They like so many administrations before them simply will not be able to fix anything due to the infighting that has become so common in the House and Senate. In short the government is still paralyzed and unable to act on any issue. Nancy will see to that. This will continue until we see fit to elect and send people to Washington who will act on what the people want and not in their own self interests.

Those of you waiting for Hillary to become Secretary of State……isn’t going to happen. The Clintons simply will not release the financial information required by the infamous Obama questionnaire. Indeed King Obama himself could not comply with his own questionnaire. He has too many terrorist friends. But of course I am making the assumption that they would answer the questions truthfully.


WOW
I guess I have nothing further to say
1651) Message boards : Politics : Obama - A New Hope? (Message 831730)
Posted 18 Nov 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


How Obama Got Elected



Here is a small quote from the link provided:

As this report will document in detail, conservative talk radio undeniably dominates the format:

* Our analysis in the spring of 2007 of the 257 news/talk stations owned by the top five commercial station owners reveals that 91 percent of the total weekday talk radio programming is conservative, and 9 percent is progressive.
* Each weekday, 2,570 hours and 15 minutes of conservative talk are broadcast on these stations compared to 254 hours of progressive talk—10 times as much conservative talk as progressive talk.

The rest of the article is in here
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2007/06/talk_radio.html

You really need to seek more sources of information than O'Rielly, Limbaugh or Fox Network.

For the most part, news is controlled by corporations with a bias to protect their own interests.

Who controls corporations? Is it regular working people or the pampered elites?
1652) Message boards : Politics : Obama - A New Hope? (Message 831207)
Posted 16 Nov 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Kinda says it all doesn't it!


It says more about those who believe it
1653) Message boards : Politics : Was Obama born in Kenya? (Message 830781)
Posted 15 Nov 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:



Speaking of our problems how many of you are enjoying bailing out the UAW's over inflated paychecks with our tax dollars????? Is this what Obama and the democrats had in mind by CHANGE is coming? To what Marxist USSA? And spare me the this is to help GM and the other Big 3 to survive. Its to help the Union survive and nothing more.
The Big three pay their employees 50% more than any of the other Auto industry workers at Toyota or the other major builders is it any wonder they are bleeding 1 billion dollars a month and in danger of going under. They were going under even without the credit crisis.

FACT: The Big 3 pay employees get paid around $70 an hour if you include Healthcare and 401ks. The other non union auto workers get $40 and they are in no dander of going broke. Sales are down but they are surviving. Whats wrong with this picture?


What a fresh outlook on a world wide economic crisis.
It's all the fault of regular working people.

Of course, it's all so clear now, working people should never have made the bad corporate decisions that lead to the crisis.
They should never have deregulated industry to the point where the industries police themselves on all matters from workplace safety to investment strategies.

Now I really feel sorry for those poor boardroom guys who were so mislead and bamboozled by this selfish group of working people.

Damn you all, you evil working people! Stop ruining the world economy with your multi million dollar salaries and even bigger golden parachutes when you fail at your jobs!
GRRRRR working people GRRRRRR




1654) Message boards : Politics : Invading Pakistan. (Message 830779)
Posted 15 Nov 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Not to mention the minor detail of violating Pakistani sovereignty.

I'm wondering how the U.S. government and the American people would react to another nation hunting down and bombing their enemies within the borders of the U.S.?
1655) Message boards : Politics : Invading Pakistan. (Message 830514)
Posted 14 Nov 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
However I feel sad that some innocents in there may be sacrificing their lives.


Doesn't the word sacrifice include, in it's very definition, some degree of self determination.

You really can't believe that the victims of U.S. bombs are actually willingly sacrificing themselves for the betterment of American foreign policy.
1656) Message boards : Politics : Philisophical question (Message 829567)
Posted 12 Nov 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Let me know when you ask a question that is philosophically valid. Until then, leave the practice of Philosophy to the professionals.


PS: I never posed the question in the first place so I believe my amateur status is intact.
I promise never to profit from my ponderings, insights or flashes of brilliance.LOL
1657) Message boards : Politics : Obama - A New Hope? (Message 828231)
Posted 8 Nov 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
He'll be depending on foreign security which isn't as good and in a place full of those intent upon doing the United States harm.



The president of the United States never depends on foreign security.

When presidential visits are made even to Canada, the secret service has a full contingent of fully armed agents on duty.
The gun laws in Canada do not permit some of the weapons they bring but exceptions are made for the president.

The unmarked crates of weapons are landed in a seperate plane before the president arrives.

For PR purposes, the locals are lead to believe that their own police are used for security for the president.
The truth is that the local forces are only there for display purposes.
The real security is covered by the secret service.

I think these guys are some of the most dedicated security types in the world and the belief that nothing will happen to the president on their watch is ingrained into their souls.

For the duration of the two terms of this Obama administration, the secret service will be on even higher alert than usual.
It's just a matter of pride for them.
1658) Message boards : Politics : Obama - A New Hope? (Message 827938)
Posted 7 Nov 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
back on topic

Have you all been seeing some of the footage of people around the world celebrating the end of the Bush/Cheney administration?

Never have I witnessed such worldwide elation at change in the White House.
1659) Message boards : Politics : Whaddya think? (Message 827524)
Posted 6 Nov 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Spoken like a true elitist Rush.

No job is menial if it needs doing.

As for just one of your other twisted facts...the Obama campaign was not about beating McCain.
His campaign started long before McCain was even in the picture as the republican candidate for president.

What a corkscrew ride it is trying to follow your logic, but it does bring me a chuckle now and then.
1660) Message boards : Politics : Whaddya think? (Message 827325)
Posted 5 Nov 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Why are some of you going over the top with this?
The election was about removing liars and thieves from power.
The republicans had caved in to the corporate lobbyists and created a country where the very legislation brought forward in the house was written by the corporatists.

Obama's campaign has been about looking after the interests of the people.

He isn't the Christ
He isn't the anti-Christ

He's a man that saw the direction the U.S. was heading and chose to try and change it.
It seems that a few Americans agreed with his vision and gave their trust to him.

Dispite the hand wringing republican warnings of Marxism, communism, socialism, elitism and just plain old "You didn't vote for us so you're screwedism" there's nothing in his platform that suggests anything but the same concerns held by any street level community worker.

The elites have been pampered at the expense of the working class and the poor.
Maybe there's another way, a more fair way, to run a nation.

You don't need to fear fairness.
1661) Message boards : Politics : Fun with Falling Oil Hypocrisy!! (Message 827166)
Posted 5 Nov 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Also, it would help the discussion on markets to envision what would happen if we did not have a police force or even an Armed Forces.

No one here has made a case for no police or military.

It's the old story of Government Regulation vs oversight, politics, inefficiency, meddling and a bunch of "corporate" crooks and exploiters.

In other words is "Anything Goes" a good way to organize a society?

Who said this was a good idea?

Most, if not all, of the posters here have no idea what those terms you mentioned mean beyond their most simple definition.


Our friend Rush is a Libertarian.
They like the idea of police and military protections but despise the thought of protections that interfere with profits...FDA...FCC...Tobin tax...Progressive tax...Capital Gains tax...etc etc etc.

In Libertarian world, the individual would have to face the corporations and the powerful elites while standing alone.
No thanks.

That's it for me...good night

PS: Well done this evening America
1662) Message boards : Politics : Whaddya think? (Message 827163)
Posted 5 Nov 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Welcome to Obamaland. The country created by a liberal biased mainstream media. It is now proven that a small group of people, utilizing the power of the media, can put anyone they desire into the White House. King Obama with his astonishing ties to terrorists and a Marxist belief never once was challenged by the liberal mainstream media. There is one remaining question. When will Obamaland becomes the United Socialist Republic of America? The coronation happens in January and then the transformation begins. God help us.


The liberal bias you speak of in media is a falsehood. The media is controlled by the right...they are the ones with the money.

The astonishing links to terrorists are not Obama's...the only real links are those between the Bush family and the Bin Laden family.

There is no challenging a man's Marxist beliefs when those beliefs are nonexistant.

You seem bitter after this election...just as bitter as I felt when we returned a bunch of Northern Republicans to office here in Canada.

I got over it and so can you.

Congratulations America for electing a very intelligent president for a change.
Maybe the bitterness will be overcome by national pride in the near future.
1663) Message boards : Politics : Whaddya think? (Message 826644)
Posted 3 Nov 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:



And I think the choice is made a little more difficult due to the fact that I truly belive that should Obama be elected, he will suffer JFK's fate......so that leaves us with you know who.........

What to do?


After witnessing Obama exhibiting such bravery in spite of this commonly held belief...I think you should reward him with your vote.
1664) Message boards : Politics : Fun with Falling Oil Hypocrisy!! (Message 826061)
Posted 2 Nov 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

The "banks" were responding to gov't pressure (the threat of litigation) to loan people who could not otherwise get mortgages the money to buy homes.


OK
I try to stay out of your "Fun With..." stuff, but this lie is too much to let slide.

The government pressure you are twisting as the cause of all the problems was not to force lenders into loans for people with little or bad credit.

The government was responding to court decisions which ruled that banks could no longer red circle certain areas for exclusion from lending.
This means the banks could no longer draw red circles around neighborhoods and exclude everyone within the boundaries of the circle from loans.

The practice was lumping everyone in the area into a single group without regard to their ability to repay a loan.

The government simply made it illegal to continue this practice and told the banks to loan money to qualified applicants without prejudice to where they live.
Many people within the red circled areas had successful businesses or community services and still chose to live within the communities.
These are the people that were being discriminated against for no other reason than their place of residence.

What the bankers and money lenders did after that is the cause of the problem.
The government NEVER instructed the banks and money lenders to give loans to some guy living in a cardboard box.


1665) Message boards : Politics : New copyright law creates "czar" (Message 824323)
Posted 28 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
CNN coming from the left would be a matter of perception on your part, because in my perception CNN is 80% to the right.

As for Fox, just change the name to the Carl Rove Propaganda Network.
1666) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : Michio Kaku on teleportation (Message 824044)
Posted 27 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
LOL...No thanks, I'll walk.

It is amazing though.
1667) Message boards : Politics : New copyright law creates "czar" (Message 824038)
Posted 27 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I subscribe to Macleans magazine and Adbusters magazine.
After reading these publications, I take them to work and drop them in the lunchroom for anyone else to read.

Am I guilty of violating "intellectual property rights" by doing this?
Is the person picking up the magazines guilty of this also?

I see no difference in the act of sharing these "intellectual properties" other than the manner in which the "properties" are transfered.

I lend books to friends and borrow books from them. Have we committed a crime?

1668) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! VI-*CLOSED* (Message 823788)
Posted 27 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


OK! OK! I DO like gladiator movies!
1669) Message boards : Politics : Will the constitution survive until November? (Message 823507)
Posted 26 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Just what I said.


Is this as far as you dare to go in explaining your statement?

Well, you're wrong. Do you know why you're wrong?
Because you're a reactionary right winger with nothing to base your opinions on beyond the ravings of O'Reilley and the other idiots spreading their hate and corporatist agendas.

You're wrong because that little group of desperate, hopeless morons you chum around with are not indicative of America.

So you keep doing your little impotent right wing rage dance over in the corner while the rest of your country joins the human race again under Obama.

1670) Message boards : Cafe SETI : taking a few weeks off (Message 823357)
Posted 26 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Having spent almost 20 years at the wheel doing line haul trucking I have one piece of advice...
You better like yourself, because you are about to spend a lot of time alone.
1671) Message boards : Politics : Will the constitution survive until November? (Message 823353)
Posted 26 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
If Senator Obama wins, it will not last the first 100 days.



It`s been a while...could you please explain what you meant by this post
1672) Message boards : Politics : Terrorism... or not (Message 822487)
Posted 24 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I have yet to see a credible explanation of terrorist.

The problem in defining terror is making the definition universal.
One culture's terrorist is another culture's hero. This goes both ways.

To the bus passengers on a morning commute to work in London, who at the last moment witnessed a suicide bomber pulling the pin, the terror was real.

To the bus passengers on a morning commute to work in Baghdad, who at the last moment witnessed a missile fired from an F-18 about to strike them, the terror was also real.

The similarities in these two examples are the large explosions, many civilian deaths and property damage, all following that moment where the victims knew they were about to die.
The only difference between these two explosive moments of death being that one of these acts was sanctioned by a government.

I'm open to anyone's suggestions toward a definitive explanation of the word.

As it stands now from a western perspective, the explanation seems to be;
1) Any act of violence directed at us is terrorism
2) Any act of violence directed at (insert enemy here) is heroic and for the cause of freedom

Maybe it's time to drop the pretense and just admit that ALL extreme violence causing death is terrorism.


1673) Message boards : Politics : Canadian Federal Election (Message 820544)
Posted 19 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
By calling them on it.
By questioning them over the issues and making them answer.

This trend toward asking a single question, receiving an answer and moving on to the next topic is promoting the ability to lie.
There is no follow up or chance to mine that line of thought.

Politicians that won't answer the questions will be pushed aside by those who will.
The ones who can answer the follow up questions and the questions that follow deeper into the issue will be the ones elected.

The smarmy bast ards with one line answers will never make the cut.

All of this, of course, hinges on the public doing it's homework on the issues themselves.
Educating ourselves is the best defence against being lied to.
1674) Message boards : Politics : Just crazy ... they closed this (Message 820534)
Posted 19 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Is the irony in your post intentional or an accident Chris?

Either way, the McCain/Palin religious right crowd's heads would explode if they tried to meld their beliefs on morality and government together over this one.

Does local government have the right, and the responsibility, to close a bikini car wash located close to churches and schools?

Does a legitimate business owner have the right to conduct legal business without fear of harrasment from government officials?

BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM...
sounds like firecrackers going off


Of course, it's difficult to make an educated decision based on the information provided with the article.

Did the car wash open this summer as a brand new business or has it existed for years at the location and simply started the bikini aspect of it's operations this summer?

Is the real reason for complaints against the car wash to do with 'Not in my backyard' syndrome or are the majority of complaints based on morality?

Doesn't matter to me.
The guy has a right to operate a legal business in accordance with city by-laws.
The city has a right to create, change and enforce by-laws.

If the city council wants the car wash moved...it has to go.
The council is elected to run the city.
They'll answer to the citizens in the next municipal election.
1675) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! VI-*CLOSED* (Message 820206)
Posted 18 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


'sniff sniff'
Hmmm...it's not a tree, but I think I'll lift my leg on it anyway


1676) Message boards : Politics : Canadian Federal Election (Message 820203)
Posted 18 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


First, I have never been an advocate of giving them more power. all stop. period.

What I advocate is more power to the people.
The system, as it stands now, relies on public apathy and misdirection.

A better educated, better informed and more involved public could not be lied to or manipulated.

1677) Message boards : Politics : Today on NPR ... "the muslim thing" (Message 819936)
Posted 18 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The ability of the media to control the very things we think cannot be underestimated or trivialized.
They create images and impressions within the mind using well timed statements over images that become linked together within the mind of the viewer.

We could all be better at exercising a greater degree of critical analysis when viewing the messages sent to us via the media.
1678) Message boards : Politics : Canadian Federal Election (Message 819932)
Posted 17 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
That doesn't make it acceptable.

We seem to have been trained to go along with the idea that it's ok to lie to us when representatives of our government speak.

We take it as a normal part of political life and that's wrong, but it's also our fault collectivelly for not holding them to a higher standard.

How long can the experiment in democracy last if this is allowed to continue?
1679) Message boards : Politics : Today on NPR ... "the muslim thing" (Message 819855)
Posted 17 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


I've heard some very pro-Muslim statements from Obama that have concerned me. One was something to the effect of-if it came down to choosing sides, he'd choose the Muslims.


Anyone find audio or video of this yet?

I think a statement like this would create a hurricane of outrage if it were true.

I'm thinking the Fox Network has played people like a cheap fiddle.
1680) Message boards : Politics : Canadian Federal Election (Message 819847)
Posted 17 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
As time goes by, I appreciate Trudeau more and more.

I see the BQ more as another socially progressive party equal to the NDP.
They've dropped the seperation issue but still function well as a party from the left.

It's Harper's great fortune to be sitting as PM at a time where the center left vote is split between the BQ, NDP, Green and some Liberals.
1681) Message boards : Politics : Philisophical question (Message 819839)
Posted 17 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
LOL
Paranoia is only a mental illness when people aren't out to get you.
1682) Message boards : Politics : Canadian Federal Election (Message 819540)
Posted 17 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Even with an educated population what could they do to stop the lies? Every politician does it. No matter who you vote for they will lie guaranteed.

Also the last time I checked the fixed election date was an upper limit to the election time. They can still call it when its needed/wanted.

But there IS a BIG change to the minority position... now it will take all 3 opposition parties to vote down something rather than just the NDP/Liberals. Now they will be more able to govern as long as either BQ, Lib, NDP vote with it.

Although not as big of a change as wanted it will still help out.


An educated and involved population cannot be lied to.
People aware of the issues, with knowledge of events leading up to the issue, will have all information at hand with which to base a decision.

Anyone attempting to lie to you about something you are knowledgable about will not succeed.

Harper brought fixed election dates into law about two years ago so "politicians couldn't play games with the election proccess when they felt the advantage was with them."
I believe you are thinking of the former policy which allowed for elections anywhere from year 3 to year 5 of a government mandate.
1683) Message boards : Politics : Philisophical question (Message 819526)
Posted 17 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

You, on the other hand, ALWAYS advocate the initiation of gov't force against others to make them pay for your silly programs. Yet you act surprised when people who are diametrically opposed to your programs do the same thing to you.



I'm never going to understand how you came to believe that democratic socialism is the same as government force.
It is the will of the people.

In the same way I must live with the results of the election Tuesday night, the pampered elites, the uber-rich and and the corporatists would have to live with it should we ever elect a progressive government.

I'm not oppressed by government force in my disagreement with present conservative thought. They don't have a gun in my face over every issue.

It is the will of the people.
If I don't like it, I must work to change attitudes.

In a democracy, I am free to try to change things without the government sticking a gun in my face.
So, get off that horse Rush, it's getting very old.


1684) Message boards : Politics : Canadian Federal Election (Message 819447)
Posted 16 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
An educated and invovled population doesn't fit into the big plan of those types.
They sense their great destiny as rulers of the masses in a corporate world filled with those who consume and those who serve.
1685) Message boards : Politics : Philisophical question (Message 819443)
Posted 16 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
LOL
The greatest advocate of self interest and greed claims the high moral ground.
Welcome to Bizzaro world.

Thanks, I needed a chuckle.
1686) Message boards : Politics : More thoughts from Naomi Wolfe (Message 819440)
Posted 16 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'm so sorry.

It must have been my fault that you confused me with Naomi Wolfe.

Was it because I placed my name in the author's place?...nope
Was it because I claimed some level of co-author status?...nope again

Maybe it's because I didn't tell you to read the title of the thread.

I am not responsible for the content of the article.
I simply posted it so everyone could be aware of the warnings issued by Ms. Wolfe.

Please forward all problems related to the article to the author.
Thank you for your cooperation
Have a nice day
1687) Message boards : Politics : Canadian Federal Election (Message 818972)
Posted 15 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

And yet, all you ever seek to do is take more income, responsibility, and individual choice away from the citizens of a country and hand it over to politicians. You want to hand it to men like Dubya and Cheney and Harper and Lyin' Brian Mulroney. You want to use gov't force to take it away from the people who need it most, and who will make the best, most well-informed decision on what is best for them, and hand it over to politicians like that.

Brilliant.


In a functioning democracy, with an educated and involved population, these poopy heads wouldn't be able to run for dogcatcher.
It's only through a combination of voter apathy and corporate control of the major media outlets that these types are thrust into office.
I mean, look at that idiot Palin for Gawd's sake...I rest my case.





1688) Message boards : Politics : Canadian Federal Election (Message 818969)
Posted 15 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
LOL
I got you to go over 100 in the RAC...told you I would.

PS: thanks for translating everything I post in here for the neo-cons.
Universal single payer healthcare = theft
Strong central government = gun in the face
Democratic socialism = fascism
and so on...blah blah blah

But I still haven't figured out how you think I'm a big fan of war.

1689) Message boards : Politics : Philisophical question (Message 818965)
Posted 15 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The absence of government would be mayhem.

Some feel that governments can be a source of great good, if peopled by honest representatives and directed by an educated and involved public.
1690) Message boards : Politics : Canadian Federal Election (Message 818627)
Posted 15 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I just turned off the TV.
The final counts are being tallied and it appears that Canada has another conservative minority government.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper called a snap election claiming he was unable to govern under the restrictive circumstance of holding a minority position.

This, in spite of his bringing into law fixed election dates for federal elections at the beginning of his mandate. Hmmmm
First chance he saw at taking the advantage he pounced on.
The very thing he railed about when in opposition.

Oh well, he's a politician so we must expect this right? WRONG! We deserve better than lies from them.

After $400 million spent in his gamble for more power, Canadians find themselves in the same position as before the election.

What possible excuse can he give to the citizens now that there is no change in his ability to govern the country?
He still holds a minority position.

After making such a claim to justify this election, I believe the only honourable thing the man who cannot govern should do is ask the Governor General to offer to the opposition parties the chance to govern.

There's another honourable thing he can do after claiming an inability to govern...resign his office.

But he won't do that because, once again, he's a politician.


1691) Message boards : Politics : Today on NPR ... "the muslim thing" (Message 818621)
Posted 15 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

The source for the Pro-Muslim statements is the Sean Hannity show over the past few months. They keep replaying clips of Obama over and over again.





Blurf
I've tried finding some footage of Obama saying these things, and as I suspected beforehand, it doesn't seem to be there.

There are way too many Hannity clips in YouTube to watch them all, but you would think that such a statement would be at the top of the list of most viewed.

I'm wondering if Fox has created the impression of Obama saying these things in the minds of those viewing such infommercials as Hannity's.
As I don't watch this guy, I can't even speculate as to what techniques are used on the show.

I'm not saying the clip doesn't exist, but I am saying that the mind can be fooled into thinking it has seen something that didn't actually happen.
Magicians have exploited this forever in their acts.

Until proof is presented by way of a link in here so I can view it for myself, I remain a sceptic.
1692) Message boards : Politics : Philisophical question (Message 818299)
Posted 14 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'm glad to see you trying to think about the grey areas Chris.
We do not live in a black and white world.
There are no absolutes when human behaviour is concerned.

Odd then, that your last two sentences are absolutes.

That's a real contradiction there.

My bottom line is the absolute manner in which the question is phrased.
Based on the context of the question, in the manner it was asked, there really is no other answer than "NO".

This doesn't become more true because, once again, you've just restated your conclusion without any argument, reasoning, or refuting the reasoning presented in other posts.

The answer, for the reasons previously presented, is "of course," because my right to something does not contain the right to violate that very same right in others.

Even the responses against my opinion state that one cannot override another's "right".

And yet you still missed it entirely.


Funny how the abstract argument is used when you discuss the meaning of the question but the concrete is used when rewriting my thoughts.
You are a funny guy Rush.
I've come to the conclusion that you practice corporate law. (if you are a lawyer at all)
You seem to have no foundation.
1693) Message boards : Politics : Was Obama born in Kenya? (Message 818252)
Posted 14 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
No one is self reliant. We all need each other to survive.
That's the way it's been since the dawn of man and no matter how hard some would argue to the contrary, it remains a universal truth.

That doesn't give you or anyone else the right to use gov't force to make others pay for your silly programs.

Because if that's OK, they can use gov't force to make you pay for their silly programs. Oh, right, they are. War in Iraq, corporate welfare, the massive bailout, weapons, the CIA, lots o' things.

Happy paying for those? You should be thrilled. It's the system you support, working exactly as you want it to.


It's your vision of the system I support so you can stop blaming me for your neo-con screw-ups.

It's like Bizzaro world when talking to neo-cons.
Every day is opposite day. Whatever they make a mess of is blamed on someone else.


1694) Message boards : Politics : Today on NPR ... "the muslim thing" (Message 818243)
Posted 14 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Chris-I heard the program as well.

I've heard some very pro-Muslim statements from Obama that have concerned me. One was something to the effect of-if it came down to choosing sides, he'd choose the Muslims.

The other issue is that the Radical Muslims are infiltrating the more peaceful, tolerant Muslim sects and are converting them to the more dangerous opinions that they hold.

I think both combine to leave a dark cloud over Obama's head


Do you have a source for this?
It would be most interesting to see or read these pro-muslim statements and sentiments, because the McCain/Palin bunch would have been screaming blue bloody murder over them were they actually reported.
1695) Message boards : Politics : Philisophical question (Message 818213)
Posted 13 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

The quesiton is not an easy one to answer. It has more levels than it may first appear.


I'm glad to see you trying to think about the grey areas Chris.
We do not live in a black and white world.
There are no absolutes when human behaviour is concerned.

My bottom line is the absolute manner in which the question is phrased.
Based on the context of the question, in the manner it was asked, there really is no other answer than "NO".

Even the responses against my opinion state that one cannot override another's "right".






1696) Message boards : Politics : Was Obama born in Kenya? (Message 817968)
Posted 13 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Very true aristo
No one is self reliant. We all need each other to survive.
That's the way it's been since the dawn of man and no matter how hard some would argue to the contrary, it remains a universal truth.
1697) Message boards : Politics : Philisophical question (Message 817967)
Posted 13 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
An interesting question was raised in another thread by Scary Capitalist.
He wrote...

"Nobody answers in the affirmative the question:
Do men have a right to exist for their own sake and their own happiness and purpose?"

It is interesting to note that he claims nobody says yes to this question.
It means that people realize that such an obviously simple question has far reaching implications.

No restrictions were placed on this "right" in the asking of the question.

With this lack of restriction in place, the issue is left wide open to abuses ranging from world wars, genocide, serial killing, mass murder, rape, arson and the host of other deviant behaviours humans are capable of.

My answer "NO" was based on the actions of Hitler and Caligula.
I could have added many others to the list, such as Jeffrey Dalmer, Ted Bundy and Clifford Olsen just to name a few.

Every one of these men would probably have answered yes to the question as posed.

What passes for happiness and purpose in one individual is seen as criminally evil and even insanity by others.

I suppose the key part of the question rests in the two words "their own". By using these words, the well being of others is excluded.
No one else is considered in the equation when it relies on "their own" as it's basis.

Strangely enough, after my answer of "NO" was given based on the original question and the context with which it was asked, the arguments coming back had restrictions placed on behaviours.

I am forced to conclude that even those defending the question as asked, do not believe it themselves.
1698) Message boards : Politics : Why loan companies and financial institutions are really failing (Message 817802)
Posted 12 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
You must be the most dishonest poster ever in the history of this board,


Really? I'm # 1! I'm # 1! I'm # 1!
Sounds like the crowd at a McCain/Palin rally shouting USA USA USA
Which in turn, reminds me of footage of another mass movement midway through the last century...
Can't think of their name...hmmm
You know the ones
Lots of hatred directed at socialists, homosexuals, immigrants and intellectuals.
Oh and Jews. They really didn't like Jews.

What were they called?

Enough jocularity.
Here's my response to your question of honesty.
I use my name.
My city is included in my profile.
Come and knock on my door.
If you are respectful in my home, I'll fill you full of food and beer.
If you talk to me this way, you'll get a firsthand look at universal healthcare in Canada.
Robert Waite
Prince George
British Columbia
Canada
500 miles/ 800 kilometers due north of Vancouver

It's a myth that all leftists are wimps...some of us enjoy a good punchup
1699) Message boards : Politics : Why loan companies and financial institutions are really failing (Message 817773)
Posted 12 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Nobody answers in the affirmative the question:

"Do men have a right to exist for their own sake and their own happiness and purpose"


So now you are placing resrictions on the right to exist...blah blah blah.

Only those deemed as seeking freedom of various kinds are permitted the right.

Who now decides the criteria for membership in this group allowed the right.

I find your (and a few others) world views most oppressive to the masses, so I deny your right to exist for your own sake and happiness and purpose..







1700) Message boards : Politics : More thoughts from Naomi Wolfe (Message 817768)
Posted 12 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Jeez
There's several credible names listed in the article while you remain annonymous.
Who should we believe?
1701) Message boards : Politics : Why loan companies and financial institutions are really failing (Message 817644)
Posted 12 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

The 'ideal' of altruism and 'public good' running rampant in the Republican and Democrat party is normal.



Nobody answers in the affirmative the question:

"Do men have a right to exist for their own sake and their own happiness and purpose"


What happened to you to cause you to believe that the term ``public good`` has taken on the connotation of something bad

The answer to your deep philosophical question is NO.

The question comes across as harmless at first glance, and in most cases, a single person`s purpose does no harm to the rest of humanity.

In the case of Hitler`s right to exist for his own happiness and purpose, the outcome was tens of millions of deaths.

Would you even consider that a valid question if you lived under the heel of Hitler or Caligula

I think not.


1702) Message boards : Politics : U.S. used chemical weapons in Fallujah? (Message 817638)
Posted 12 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I understand what you were saying.
Notice I coined the term ``corporate colonialists``

Why go to all the bother of physically occupying territory when the corporate control can be maintained by the cooperation of a relatively small number of elites in the country.

Control of the flow of capital is the goal.
1703) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (9) Server problems (Message 817626)
Posted 12 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I was beginning to think there was a problem within my own computer.
While I`m receiving work to do, I`m not uploading completed work.

If everyone is experiencing this same problem, there`s a tidal wave of information building up for the SETI computers to deal with when the switch is finally thrown.
1704) Message boards : Politics : U.S. used chemical weapons in Fallujah? (Message 817617)
Posted 12 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Sorry Joker
I`m forced to disagree with you.
America has been an enforcer, protector and enabler for the corporate colonialists in their drive to dominate the world of capital.

The U.S. has a remarkable ability to put up with vicious dictators as long as the flow of capital and control of the low wage-slave workforce is maintained.

In Central and South America, vast amounts of public resources and money have been spent in effort to prop up, or overthrow governments based on the wants of the corporatists.
1705) Message boards : Politics : Will the constitution survive until November? (Message 816905)
Posted 11 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
If Senator Obama wins, it will not last the first 100 days.


Explain


1706) Message boards : Politics : U.S. used chemical weapons in Fallujah? (Message 816544)
Posted 10 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I used to think that way too peanut.
I mean when you're dead, it doesn't matter if it was from a hydrogen bomb or a brick bashed over your head.

I changed my mind when hearing of the suffering caused by chemical weapons during WWI.
Drowning from the blood in your disolving lungs sounds a bit over the top.

While the evidence to the use of chemical weapons is inconclusive at this time, there is the issue of depleted uranium contamination all over Iraq.

That stuff will be ingested by civilians for many generations.

Oh well, it's one way to eliminate the problem of storing your atomic waste in secure sites. Just form the waste into shells and blow them up all over the combat zones of the world. BRILLIANT
1707) Message boards : Politics : McCain (Message 816530)
Posted 10 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
That's a hilarious point of view.
They were socialist programs eh?

Ummmm, do you even know the definition of socialism?

Yes, they were socialist programs, because they were created by gov't, not private companies, and were social organizations using collective ownership (gov't) and administration (gov't).

That's the very definition of a socialist program.

How much of the profit went to social programs, and how much went into the bank accounts of the pigs?

Don't lay that drivel on us Rush, it's absolute nonsense.

There's absolute nonsense in this thread, but it isn't the idea that gov't created, owned, and run institutions are socialist by definition.

They certainly aren't free market or capitalist institutions.


Created by government does not mean socialist.
Are you prepared to call the railroads, telecommunications, computers, the internet and a plethora of other things all socialist?
They were created with public money and then handed over to the private sector.
That's not socialist, that's how corporations rape the taxpayer by forcing development costs on them while keeping profits for themselves.

You claim government ownership and government administration of these corporations in your post.

Why are private entities requiring the socialization of their losses due to their astronomical greed?
That means: Why are the taxpayers forking over a trillion dollars to the private sector if this is a government run endeavor?
1708) Message boards : Politics : Another interesting Palin article (Message 816516)
Posted 10 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Which direction will the U.S. take?
Personally, I'm hoping she has a nice long retirement in Alaska with nary another thought about her or this moment in history.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dan-agin/out-of-the-mouths-of-pali_b_133295.html
1709) Message boards : Politics : McCain (Message 816507)
Posted 10 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
That's a hilarious point of view.
They were socialist programs eh?
How much of the profit went to social programs, and how much went into the bank accounts of the pigs?

Don't lay that drivel on us Rush, it's absolute nonsense.
1710) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! VI-*CLOSED* (Message 816485)
Posted 10 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
OK guys, have fun:

http://api.ning.com/files/XLmjkHn*4b7XzIx75SGErtKXUCTi*bQyydLUZjbl*D4_/FunnyDeerPhoto.jpg


Nice try, Mr. Cheney. Remove the deer mask and get out of the truck.


You just made rootbeer come out my nose!!! ROTFLMAO
1711) Message boards : Politics : McCain (Message 816483)
Posted 10 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
And their hair. LOL
1712) Message boards : Politics : Pro MCain/Palin Not Allowed Here (Message 816482)
Posted 10 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Woops
Sorry I intercepted your greeting.

but thanks for the welcome back.
1713) Message boards : Politics : Robert Kennedy Jr. on Palin (Message 816480)
Posted 10 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-f-kennedy-jr/alaskan-independence-part_b_133261.html

Did McCain, or those pulling his strings, know of this before it hit the newswire or did they just not care?

Seems like something that should have set off alarm bells in the minds of those truly concerned with the well-being of America, as the republicans claim they are.
1714) Message boards : Politics : McCain (Message 816467)
Posted 9 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Matthew
I believe it's directed at everything and everyone.
The right wing is having a mental meltdown at the moment as they fear the republican party may be completely decimated by next month.

1715) Message boards : Politics : More thoughts from Naomi Wolfe (Message 816465)
Posted 9 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Having a hard time staying focussed today?
You made the reference to snopes as evidence of some falsehoods in the article.
1716) Message boards : Politics : Pro MCain/Palin Not Allowed Here (Message 816464)
Posted 9 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I was in reference to the original intent of this thread, not your paranoid collection of emails that are all plotting against you.
1717) Message boards : Politics : McCain (Message 816462)
Posted 9 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Let me think....mmmmmmm....no.
1718) Message boards : Politics : Pro MCain/Palin Not Allowed Here (Message 816458)
Posted 9 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
LOL
Both Rush and yourself seem quite transfixed with my brother's scoot.
Well, I can't blame you, it's a beauty. Really shakes your bones when you open her up.

As for what you lied about...this is what you opened the thread with.

"As usual......anything posted here in favor of candidates that mods do not favor are blocked and hidden from view."

I posted something in favor of both sides and nothing was blocked or hidden.
Happy Halloween





1719) Message boards : Politics : More thoughts from Naomi Wolfe (Message 816453)
Posted 9 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
It would seem that snopes has nothing to refute this article.
Good day sir.
1720) Message boards : Politics : McCain (Message 816452)
Posted 9 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Here's some intellectual honesty.

The free market has failed you again, and again socialism has to bail you out.
That is scary capitalism.
1721) Message boards : Politics : Pro MCain/Palin Not Allowed Here (Message 816450)
Posted 9 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Is that because I have such a calming effect on you?

I see your original theory has been proven to be untrue...I think we know where the tag "liar" belongs.
1722) Message boards : Politics : Pro MCain/Palin Not Allowed Here (Message 816423)
Posted 9 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Hiya Fuzzy

I came back last month after hearing of certain changes.
Things certainly have become less volatile since last March.

I'm happy to be back.
1723) Message boards : Politics : Pro MCain/Palin Not Allowed Here (Message 816404)
Posted 9 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Really?
Let's test your theory.

I'm going to post that McCain and Palin are the two smartest people in America and really really really deserve to be president and vice president.

just to make it fair to both sides because I don't know who the mods favor...

I'm going to post that Obama and Biden are the two smartest people in America and really really really deserve to be president and vice president.

Now, one of these statements is in favor of candidates that the mods do not favor.

Let's see what happens.

I'll come back in an hour to see if this has been censored.
1724) Message boards : Politics : More thoughts from Naomi Wolfe (Message 816400)
Posted 9 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Please refrain from allowing radical internet URBAN MYTHS to be perpetuated on your webiste.


Absolutely...point out the errors and I'll remove them.
1725) Message boards : Politics : Why don't we look at some third party candidates and their ideas (Message 816308)
Posted 9 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
No ho doesn't have a problem with written text.
He simply prefers to keep informed as to what Paris Hilton is doing rather than listening and attempting to understand an indepth story of how deregulation by the republicans lead to the financial robbery of a trillion dollars of tax payer money.

That's his right, and exactly what he has been defending with such passion.
1726) Message boards : Politics : McCain (Message 816199)
Posted 9 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Very feasible
Well done aristo
1727) Message boards : Politics : New York Times editorials (Message 816197)
Posted 9 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I refer you to your first "Big Friggin Whoop" post at the top of this string.

You think I don't know how sad you are right now, poor chap?

I forgive your anger.
xxxooo
1728) Message boards : Politics : McCain (Message 816196)
Posted 9 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
You ask for just one newspaper and aristo sends seven newspaper links.
Explain again why it's not feasible for you.

Were you expecting the translated versions?
Auntie can't read from a monitor?
Print it off for her.
1729) Message boards : Politics : New York Times editorials (Message 816193)
Posted 9 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
It would seem that I have more concern for the well being of working people in the U.S. than you.

Sorry you are so very upset that the dream team of McCain/Palin is going down in flames. NOT

PS: Thanks for being such a strong advocate for my freedom of speech.
1730) Message boards : Politics : More thoughts from Naomi Wolfe (Message 816175)
Posted 9 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thousands of Troops Are Deployed on U.S. Streets Ready to Carry Out "Crowd Control"

By Naomi Wolf, AlterNet. Posted October 8, 2008.





Background: the First Brigade of the Third Infantry Division, three to four thousand soldiers, has been deployed in the United States as of October 1. Their stated mission is the form of crowd control they practiced in Iraq, subduing "unruly individuals," and the management of a national emergency. I am in Seattle and heard from the brother of one of the soldiers that they are engaged in exercises now. Amy Goodman reported that an Army spokesperson confirmed that they will have access to lethal and non lethal crowd control technologies and tanks.

George Bush struck down Posse Comitatus, thus making it legal for military to patrol the U.S. He has also legally established that in the "War on Terror," the U.S. is at war around the globe and thus the whole world is a battlefield. Thus the U.S. is also a battlefield.

He also led change to the 1807 Insurrection Act to give him far broader powers in the event of a loosely defined "insurrection" or many other "conditions" he has the power to identify. The Constitution allows the suspension of habeas corpus -- habeas corpus prevents us from being seized by the state and held without trial -- in the event of an "insurrection." With his own army force now, his power to call a group of protesters or angry voters "insurgents" staging an "insurrection" is strengthened.

U.S. Rep. Brad Sherman of California said to Congress, captured on C-Span and viewable on YouTube, that individual members of the House were threatened with martial law within a week if they did not pass the bailout bill:


"The only way they can pass this bill is by creating and sustaining a panic atmosphere. … Many of us were told in private conversations that if we voted against this bill on Monday that the sky would fall, the market would drop two or three thousand points the first day and a couple of thousand on the second day, and a few members were even told that there would be martial law in America if we voted no."

If this is true and Rep. Sherman is not delusional, I ask you to consider that if they are willing to threaten martial law now, it is foolish to assume they will never use that threat again. It is also foolish to trust in an orderly election process to resolve this threat. And why deploy the First Brigade? One thing the deployment accomplishes is to put teeth into such a threat.

I interviewed Vietnam veteran, retired U.S. Air Force Colonel and patriot David Antoon for clarification:

"If the President directed the First Brigade to arrest Congress, what could stop him?"

"Nothing. Their only recourse is to cut off funding. The Congress would be at the mercy of military leaders to go to them and ask them not to obey illegal orders."

"But these orders are now legal?'"

"Correct."

"If the President directs the First Brigade to arrest a bunch of voters, what would stop him?"

"Nothing. It would end up in courts but the action would have been taken."

"If the President directs the First Brigade to kill civilians, what would stop him?"

"Nothing."

"What would prevent him from sending the First Brigade to arrest the editor of the Washington Post?"

"Nothing. He could do what he did in Iraq -- send a tank down a street in Washington and fire a shell into the Washington Post as they did into Al Jazeera, and claim they were firing at something else."

"What happens to members of the First Brigade who refuse to take up arms against U.S. citizens?"

"They'd probably be treated as deserters as in Iraq: arrested, detained and facing five years in prison. In Iraq a study by Ann Wright shows that deserters -- reservists who refused to go back to Iraq -- got longer sentences than war criminals."

"Does Congress have any military of their own?"

"No. Congress has no direct control of any military units. The Governors have the National Guard but they report to the President in an emergency that he declares."

"Who can arrest the President?"

"The Attorney General can arrest the President after he leaves or after impeachment."

[Note: Prosecutor Vincent Bugliosi has asserted it is possible for District Attorneys around the country to charge President Bush with murder if they represent districts where one or more military members who have been killed in Iraq formerly resided.]

"Given the danger do you advocate impeachment?"

"Yes. President Bush struck down Posse Comitatus -- which has prevented, with a penalty of two years in prison, U.S. leaders since after the Civil War from sending military forces into our streets -- with a 'signing statement.' He should be impeached immediately in a bipartisan process to prevent the use of military forces and mercenary forces against U.S. citizens"

"Should Americans call on senior leaders in the Military to break publicly with this action and call on their own men and women to disobey these orders?"

"Every senior military officer's loyalty should ultimately be to the Constitution. Every officer should publicly break with any illegal order, even from the President."

"But if these are now legal. If they say, 'Don't obey the Commander in Chief,' what happens to the military?"

"Perhaps they would be arrested and prosecuted as those who refuse to participate in the current illegal war. That's what would be considered a coup."

"But it's a coup already."

"Yes."
1731) Message boards : Politics : New York Times editorials (Message 816171)
Posted 9 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thank you for those wonderful suggestions

I'll leave it to you to solve the world's problems because there's more than enough going on in these two countries to keep me occupied.

Please keep us informed as to your progress.

Looking forward to your geopolitical insights soon.



1732) Message boards : Politics : Will the constitution survive until November? (Message 816146)
Posted 9 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
You can also Google the "Ten Steps to Fascism" to get the list by Naomi Wolfe and compare it to what has happened of late in America.
1733) Message boards : Politics : New York Times editorials (Message 816142)
Posted 9 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I live in Canada.
Our closest neighbor is the U.S.
Would it not make sense that my major concerns would gravitate toward these two countries?

You ask me to direct my efforts toward China or events in the EU?

I cannot effectively do anything about what the Chinese are doing to their citizens, other than try to influence my government's stance on human rights.
This I do by writing to my Member of Parliament often.

Events in the EU are being dealt with democratically (some would argue that) and I am not up to speed enough to have formed an opinion, therefore, I don't express one.


1734) Message boards : Politics : Will the constitution survive until November? (Message 816134)
Posted 9 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.alternet.org/rights/68399/

Naomi Wolfe seems quite concerned about the future of the constitution too.
1735) Message boards : Politics : New York Times editorials (Message 816132)
Posted 9 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
What percentage of people that I interact with in here are American?
1736) Message boards : Politics : Why don't we look at some third party candidates and their ideas (Message 816128)
Posted 9 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Oh my
It's all so clear to me now.
Working people are to blame for sending jobs overseas

My bad!
1737) Message boards : Politics : New York Times editorials (Message 816127)
Posted 9 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I suggest you reread my post nevermore
Please note that I used the words "a world"
I'm not sticking it to America
1738) Message boards : Politics : Why don't we look at some third party candidates and their ideas (Message 816117)
Posted 9 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

If the corporation doesn't do good, their workers don't do good.
Corporations create the jobs not your unions.


Thanks for that well conceived thought


1739) Message boards : Politics : New York Times editorials (Message 816111)
Posted 9 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
But I do notice that stalking me has increased your RAC, so please continue.
I'll get you up over 100 soon enough.
1740) Message boards : Politics : New York Times editorials (Message 816110)
Posted 9 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
It doesn't matter Rush.
I want what I want, and following me around the boards squeaking at me won't change that. LOL
1741) Message boards : Politics : New York Times editorials (Message 816096)
Posted 9 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
My motivations are quite obvious aren't they?

I seek a world where citizens are treated with respect, where they are entitled to decent pension plans and universal single-payer healthcare.
With the ability to form and join unions to promote a stronger working class.
Free education.
Progressive taxation to spread the wealth.

I seek a world where corporations are regulated by a strong social democratic government accountable to the citizens.

I'll be very happy with just these things.
1742) Message boards : Politics : New York Times editorials (Message 816089)
Posted 9 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Please don't get angry at me over these two choices on the republican ticket.

I'm just one of the many millions worldwide, gazing in stupified wonder at the spectacle unfolding in the U.S.
1743) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! VI-*CLOSED* (Message 816083)
Posted 9 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

http://api.ning.com/files/XLmjkHn*4b7XzIx75SGErtKXUCTi*bQyydLUZjbl*D4_/FunnyDeerPhoto.jpg



After years of abuse, nature starts fighting back.
1744) Message boards : Politics : New York Times editorials (Message 816076)
Posted 9 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
McCain spanked
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/08/opinion/08wed1.html?_r=1&ref=opinion&oref=slogin


Palin spanked
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/08/opinion/08friedman.html?em

About time.
1745) Message boards : Politics : America Bankrupt? (Message 816071)
Posted 9 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
C'mon you guys
After a hard day of crushing people's dreams, a bigshot needs a good rubdown.
1746) Message boards : Politics : Why don't we look at some third party candidates and their ideas (Message 816070)
Posted 9 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

That's simply brilliant.


Oh.
I don't know what to say.

Thank you very much sir.
All this time I was thinking you didn't really like me very much.





1747) Message boards : Politics : America Bankrupt? (Message 816001)
Posted 8 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

It depends on the law or regulation in question. Some are. A bit. Most are not. Just look at speed limits. Those laws are regularly, continuously, and constantly ignored. The fact that the limit exists does not protect you from speeders.



90% of drivers do not use excessive speed, most who do speed, do so within about 10 mph of the limit. There are a few who do not obey norms and when caught are prosecuted.
Repeat offences lead to greater fines and eventually loss of driving priviledges.

Those who still insist on breaking the law after all this can face imprisonment.

Yes, speeding laws do indeed protect me from speeders.
If the laws were not a deterent, the roads would be like an Autobahn/monster truck/demolition derby combo.
1748) Message boards : Politics : Are there more Liberals or Conservatives in this forum? Vote (Message 815982)
Posted 8 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I will vote for a republician congressmen this year. And a democratic president. I want the size of the government to be small (unlike the massive growth over the last 8 years). And I want our constitution restored.


To elect a Democrat as president and then tie his hands with a Republican congress seems self defeating.
But, that's what choice is all about.

As to the idea of small government. This notion comes from the corporatist movement.
A strong central government cannot be bullied by the transnational corporations.
As corporations become larger and larger, it is imperative that there be a strong counter force to regulate them and control their actions when it comes to the safety of the citizens.

Look at the way big corporations play one state against another when seeking tax concessions, corporate welfare and deregulation.
They demand a lowering of the employment standards, health and safety standards and tax rates under threat of moving to another state which does provide them.
It's a race to the bottom trying to placate the greediest companies.

Local governments do not have the resources to fight back against corporate greed and power.
Only a strong central government can do this.

The name of the neocon who said this is unimportant: but his words should send a chill down everyone's spine.
"Our goal is to shrink government to the size where we can drown it in a bathtub."

After the corporatists pull this off, you stand naked and unprotected against their will.
1749) Message boards : Politics : Why don't we look at some third party candidates and their ideas (Message 815980)
Posted 8 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
At no point did I ever state that those who speak from a differing perspective should have to voice.
That does not mean they have anything better than drivel to contribute.

This whole issue started with the complaint I have with corporate media and it's self-interests when producing "news".

There used to be a fairness act at one time, where equal time had to be offered to opposing viewpoints over the public airwaves. Gone.

There used to be a diversity of ownership in the communications industry that naturally lead to diversity of opinion. Bought.

If infotainment is to take the place of the real news, at least ensure that there is truth in packaging laws applied to it. Inform the public that what is being presented is more opinion than hard news.

The Daily Show exists because phony news exists. If there were no phony news present everywhere, the idea of spoofing phony news would not work, nor would it strike a chord with people.

Young people in this day have no idea what it was like to sit down, turn on Walter Cronkite, and receive real information...not his opinions on the news but the facts.

After Clinton signed the Telecommunications act, the news became drivel.
1750) Message boards : Politics : Why don't we look at some third party candidates and their ideas (Message 815964)
Posted 8 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

People are free to think, say, and believe as they wish. Just as you are, just like Moore is, just like Nike or Exxon are, just like National Review is, just like anyone is.

Why? Because they are all free.

Tell us again, well, actually, tell us for the first time, how all of them being free is drivel?



More proof of your allegiance to corporate interests.
The well conditioned among us believe that corporations can be free and have rights, just like a citizen.

A corporation is a man made THING! It is NOT alive. It is NOT human.
It is NOT anything outside of a vehicle to make money.

Attributing human rights and freedoms to a corporation is as mad as allowing a bicycle those rights.

There lies your drivel mate.



1751) Message boards : Politics : Who Won ... In Your Mind (Message 815962)
Posted 8 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Obama clearly won.

McCain says nothing when he speaks.
How many times does the public have to be told that he knows how to win wars, or he knows how to fix Wall St.
He even claims that he knows how to get Americans working again.

He just never tells anyone how.
How many American military personel are going to die while we wait for McCain to reveal his plan?
If he knows how to win the damned war, why doesn't he just tell us all?
Think about the lives that could be saved if he would only tell us what he knows.

I'll tell you what I know.
McCain is a tired old man with stiff hips and knees.
He has trouble just tottering across the stage and I notice that when he is moving, the cameras zoom in to a closer shot of him so we all don't see just how infirm he is.
1752) Message boards : Politics : America Bankrupt? (Message 815957)
Posted 8 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Deregulation is the direct cause of those people's deaths.

Allowing the corporation to police it's own health and safety means that government inspectors were not there to test for contaminates.

I can see why you would like this system because it allows the corporation to issue a written order for employees to follow all procedures at all times while verbally turning up the pressure for more productivity.
Eventually, someone is going to miss a step or try to get by with less and POW, dead people across the country.

No problem for the corporation. They have a written memo to prove their good intent.
Therefore, the problem is the fault of a single person and not systemic.

As to your closing statement, I'm astounded.

You claim to be a lawyer and still you come up with an outragious statement like that?

Do you have any idea what the streets would be like with no law or enforcement?

Do you honestly believe that the laws and regulations are NOT a deterrent?
Do you honestly believe that anyone will buy this from you?
1753) Message boards : Politics : America Bankrupt? (Message 815854)
Posted 8 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Rush, we've just had a taste of deregulation across Canada and I think it's left a bad taste in the mouths of many.
It seems one of those big companies, that don't require regulation, packaged up some poisoned meat and shipped it all over the country.
18 people died so far.

This is what happens when governments give into corporate demands for deregulation.
This is what happens when the invisible hand of the market is allowed the opportunity to backhand the population.

Do you even care that people are dead due to deregulation in meat packing plants?

Remember all the work Ralph Nader did 40 years ago to protect American consumers of autos?
The corporatists didn't give a damn about the injured, crippled and killed people.
They had their cost benefit analysis in hand, and it made sense to them to not impliment safety features; that is until citizens started screaming for their heads on a stick.

I prefer some protection from industry and the greed driven invisible hand.

1754) Message boards : Politics : Why don't we look at some third party candidates and their ideas (Message 815849)
Posted 8 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Your filter allows the corporate garbage through.

My filter, as I stated already, tries to protect working people from the garbage.

PS: for a guy who doesn't care what I have to say, you sure spend a lot of time trying to gun me down...TeeHee
1755) Message boards : Politics : Why don't we look at some third party candidates and their ideas (Message 815795)
Posted 8 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

You would have to be more specific as to what you feel is drivel.



Every policy, law, regulation and action taken by, or brought forth by government has to pass through the filter that each of us uses to sort out the garbage from the good.

My filter simply asks if the policy, law, regulation or action is good for working people. Is it in the best interests of working people?

If it is not good for working people, it is drivel and should be fought.
If it is good for working people, then fight hard to see it inacted.

The difficulty is in sifting through the bull.... designed to appear good for working people while actually benefiting the uber-rich and corporatists.

I believe that my filter has fewer gaping holes than yours.





1756) Message boards : Politics : McCain (Message 815787)
Posted 8 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Besides, they may be deciding to vote for an alternative, like the Green Party. There's still time for decision.


If there was fairness in the U.S. political system, the alternative candidates would have been included in the debate process.

I stand by my original thought. At this stage of the longest campaign on the face of the Earth, if you haven't decided, you haven't been paying attention.


1757) Message boards : Politics : McCain (Message 815750)
Posted 8 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'm just waiting for the presidencial debate...well, not debate, but questions from undecided voters.

This should be hilarious. How deep a cave have these people lived in to be undecided at this point in time?

What level of questioning will come from people who haven't made up their minds yet?

The questions will all be at a National Enquirer level. (or some other tabloid from the weird magazine shelf at the store)
1758) Message boards : Politics : America Bankrupt? (Message 815740)
Posted 8 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
So people can afford a cell phone, therefore, they can afford medical expenses?
I have a cell phone and never has the cost put me into financial difficulty.

As for getting together with my friends to provide universal single payer healthcare...I already did.
Collectively, we're known as Canada.



1759) Message boards : Politics : Will the constitution survive until November? (Message 815732)
Posted 8 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
More outragious is the roadblocks and searches.

The Americans I grew up knowing would never allow this in their own country against their own citizens.

Of course, that could be false, because the Americans I grew up knowing are still alive and this stuff happened.

I have to assume all that "Give me liberty or give me death" "Don't tread on me"
"Land of the free, home of the brave" stuff was just memorized jingoisms and hold no real meaning.
1760) Message boards : Politics : McCain (Message 815597)
Posted 7 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=GEtZlR3zp4c

Offered without comment
1761) Message boards : Politics : Will the constitution survive until November? (Message 815593)
Posted 7 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'm just posting links...you decide the truth.

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=gnbNm6hoBXc
This is Rep. Brad Sherman speaking in the house on C-span


http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=71Jux68F_AQ

This is film of U.S. troops practicing marshal law in U.S. cities.



1762) Message boards : Politics : No time for panic II (Message 815584)
Posted 7 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Jeffrey comes to bat and hits a homerun.
1763) Message boards : Politics : America Bankrupt? (Message 815583)
Posted 7 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Sorry, I'm no Kid not at 48yrs old, Although I do still have some of that today.

I'm not the Revolutionary type, I'm a Patriot and a Nudist.


I have a couple of statements and a question...


I'm even less a kid at 51 years of age.
Your country was born of the fires of revolution.

My question is...where do you pin the jacket lapel flag? OUCH!







1764) Message boards : Politics : Why don't we look at some third party candidates and their ideas (Message 815417)
Posted 6 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
It's been made very clear these past few weeks that the corporatists, profiteers and uber-wealthy indeed do not care what the rest of us think.

They have made their plans and the average citizen is not a factor in their thinking at all.

When I say to you Rush, that I don't understand, it doesn't mean that I cannot comprehend the words or their meanings.
It means that I don't understand someone believing and promoting the drivel.



1765) Message boards : Politics : America Bankrupt? (Message 815413)
Posted 6 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
So JokerCPoC

Wouldn't you much prefer a single payer universal healthcare system over one that places citizens in debt for the better part of a decade for a broken leg?
Your's sounds much worse than the usual break, with the additional costs of surgery, but what does a person do when faced with cancer treatments, tumors or any of a vast range of human ailments?

I believe that protecting the healthcare needs of a nation is much more important than making sure some fatcat pigs don't lose a couple of bucks in their stock portfolios.

Funny how the commissars can find the funding for protecting the super wealthy but have spent decades telling the citizens of the U.S. that healthcare is out of the question because of costs.

What a wonderous playground for the elites.
They're like the kid who owns the only baseball bat in the neighborhood.
If the game doesn't go their way, they simply cancel the game by taking their bat home.

As a kid, how long would you have put up with that before you and your buddies went out and found your own bat?
There would be many choices...
1) make one...good choice
2) borrow one...short term solution
3) buy one...long term solution
4) take it from the spoiled kid...revolutionary ain't I?



1766) Message boards : Politics : Why don't we look at some third party candidates and their ideas (Message 815294)
Posted 6 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
WOW Rush
I cannot fathom some of ideology you express at times.

Advocating for a system of indoctrination and exclusion of differing opinion controlled by the uber-wealthy, in place of a free press, leaves me speechless.

But then, according to your belief system, no one cares what I think.
1767) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! VI-*CLOSED* (Message 815288)
Posted 6 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
GRRRRR
Oh for an axe and some opposeable thumbs
GRRRRR
1768) Message boards : Politics : America Bankrupt? (Message 815263)
Posted 6 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

That maybe so before, but not anymore.


Ummm
I think you'd better check the dates

Your link was based on 2003 information
Two of my three links were up to date and one was based on 2005 filings

Of course, since the Bush administration changed the bankruptcy laws to make it virtually impossible for an individual to file for bankruptcy protection, I must assume that the number of citizens filing will be diminishing.

Is this the reason you believe that the numbers have gone down?

Bankruptcy over medical expenses is unheard of in most every Western and European nation due to the simple fact that citizens are protected from catastrophic medical expenses by government run healthcare systems.

Nowhere are citizens left twisting in the wind like those in America.

Doesn't it anger you that your elites treat you as if you had no value or right to exist? (unless you can afford that right)
1769) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! VI-*CLOSED* (Message 815236)
Posted 6 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Alrighty, since there's been no new offerings since last night, I think it's time to pick a winner...

Dr Who Fan, Please take it away



NEWS HEADLINE: AFLAC Duck caught using "decoys" to help in his theft scheme obtaining money for paying medical bills.
1770) Message boards : Politics : America Bankrupt? (Message 815170)
Posted 5 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://punditnation.blogspot.com/2008/04/healthcare-still-leading-cause-of.html

http://newstandardnews.net/content/?action=show_item&itemid=1439

http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/blogs/paging.dr.gupta/2008/01/it-can-happen-to-you.html

Here's just three sources but there are tons more.
I'm in a hurry right now as Stewart Maclean, of CBC's Vinyl Cafe is performing in Prince George in one hour and I have tickets burning a hole in my pocket.

See Y'all
1771) Message boards : Politics : Why don't we look at some third party candidates and their ideas (Message 815095)
Posted 5 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

If you want to get Ralph's Message out, do it. Buy airtime. Broadcast your own network. If you care so much, do it. Nobody else seems to care that much, because they aren't doing it, but they aren't stopping you. Get going.


You're just such a happy volunteer to the cause that it makes me all warm and fuzzy.
Other than the part where you seem to think the corporate media has no role in presenting ALL of the news to the citizens.
Is it your position that only those who buy time in the news should receive any coverage and that since they bought the coverage they also control the story?

Where goes the news?

Into the deep pockets and away from the citizens.

1772) Message boards : Politics : Why don't we look at some third party candidates and their ideas (Message 814997)
Posted 5 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
i have always counted "survival of the fittest" as one way of getting out of this mess, but are you really ready for it, as the times goes by till you make up your mind, i am communist, but don´t whine afterwards that was what we meant.


Survival of the fittest is a term used by many, but they don't actually mean it.
What they refer to is survival of the richest, not the fittest.

Being an ex-pro football player, I am quite certain that I could do quite well in a world where the actual physically superior could prey on the weaker of the species.

The difference in the two theories of just what constitutes "fittest" lies in who becomes the prey.

I'm pretty sure I could have George Bush and Dick Cheney turning on a spit over a campfire with very little effort or danger to myself in this world of survival of the fittest.

Now, we all agree that this is not the kind of world we wish to live in, yet we allow those with vast wealth to do the same to us, metaphorically speaking of course.
We have laws against behaviours where the physically stronger take what they want from the weaker, yet the wealthy are virtually unconstrained in their desires and actions.

At times like this, I always like to start singing the AEROSMITH song..."Eat The Rich"


1773) Message boards : Politics : America Bankrupt? (Message 814994)
Posted 5 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The vast majority of American bankruptcies are due to medical expenses that wipe out family savings, not from borrowing more than you can pay back.

SHEESH
1774) Message boards : Politics : Why don't we look at some third party candidates and their ideas (Message 814887)
Posted 5 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The most intelligent candidate in the race is Ralph Nader.
The corporate media doesn't even take notice.
1775) Message boards : Politics : Why don't we look at some third party candidates and their ideas (Message 814790)
Posted 4 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Let the Libertarian Party show you the light!



I read as much as I could Rush.
I really did.

When going through their platform I got as far as Labor Markets before feeling somewhat ill at ease.

This is nothing more than a corporatist individualist profiteering and screw everyone else line of thought.

Sorry Rush...that is a nightmare scenario for the VAST majority of people.
The reality of human life is that we need co-operative methods to survive.

The alternative offered by libertarians would have us preying upon each other for profit.
Taking advantage of the weak, the less educated and both young and old would be vulnerable to the jackals.

Disguising corporatism as individual rights is disingenuous (spelling?) and I would hope that people can see through the facade.



1776) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! VI-*CLOSED* (Message 814692)
Posted 4 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thank you CW...sorry to have taken so long to post this

1777) Message boards : Politics : Why don't we look at some third party candidates and their ideas (Message 814319)
Posted 3 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
As long as the voting is one vote for one person, the to get a majority you need two parties. If you have more than two parties you will possibly not get a majority.

A different voting system is need to give third parties a chance.


We have had a minority government in Canada for about three years now.

All that means is the party that has formed the government must make concessions in order to gain support from one or two of the opposition parties.

Overall, a minority government is better for the citizens because of the horse trading necessary to function as a government.

A party with a clear majority can do whatever it wants to for the term in power, leading to arrogant corrupt behaviour.
1778) Message boards : Politics : Russian navy sails to Venezuela (Message 814318)
Posted 3 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Chavez is not a military threat.
He's an economic threat in that he is creating a social democracy based on the needs of his citizens and not the wants of the wealthy.

The American government cannot condone a leftist approach to governance which is what has lead to the embargo against Cuba all these years.
The Cubans, and now Venezuela, have attempted to function outside the American economic template and by doing so, they have been labeled communist radicals and crazy dangerous nutbars.

Cuba didn't start off as a communist state, they were driven to the Soviets by the American embargo.
It was simply a matter of survival for a soveriegn nation not wanting to deal with the corruption of past involvements with the U.S.
1779) Message boards : Politics : Why don't we look at some third party candidates and their ideas (Message 814093)
Posted 2 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
LOL
Lets wait for some other links before we decide who has the "light".
1780) Message boards : Politics : Are there more Liberals or Conservatives in this forum? Vote (Message 814090)
Posted 2 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
You're told by the media that America is a two party system.
You are shown this to be true by the fact that every corporate media outlet excludes third party input (unless it's some crazy dude, then he's allowed some exposure to ensure voters don't look outside the box for alternatives)

We're also in the middle of a federal election here in Canada and under a parliamentary system, the party winning the largest number of ridings forms the government and their leader becomes Prime Minister.

I look for the candidate with the most progressive platform, regardless of party affiliation. There are several political parties to look at with a vast array of ideas and ideologies.

I can't imagine being devoted to a single party and giving up my right to choose freely.
1781) Message boards : Politics : Are there more Liberals or Conservatives in this forum? Vote (Message 814088)
Posted 2 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
First...politics is not a damned football game.
Blindly supporting your "home team" is what got the American electorate into this mess.

Allowing politicians to do as they please because they know they have the unwavering support of their base has let them pander to the population in election years while jumping back into bed with the pampered elites and corporatists for the rest of their term.

This has lead to the corporate lobbyists actually writing the laws being passed in the house.
Your congress and senate have become filled with fat lazy pigs.

Ya Rush, I said so too. RRRRR
1782) Message boards : Politics : Why don't we look at some third party candidates and their ideas (Message 814084)
Posted 2 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
It seems that the discussion has been limited to the two major parties.
The corporate media has not bothered to follow up the story of the greatest robbery in history by seeking opinions and input from sources outside those controlling the corrupt system.

I'll start.
As I am Canadian, I'm not up to speed as to just who all the third party candidates are, and what the names of their parties are.

I am however, familiar with Ralph Nader.
The first link will be to the Nader site...anyone else seeking to improve on the discussion of the rape of American taxpaying citizens should feel free to add links to other third party sites offering their solutions.

http://www.nader.org/index.php?/archives/2062-Congressional-Backbone-Needed.html
1783) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! VI-*CLOSED* (Message 813746)
Posted 1 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
That's my scratching post, not a fire hydrant!
1784) Message boards : Politics : Why loan companies and financial institutions are really failing (Message 813737)
Posted 1 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

hail to free market if you want make money out of somebodies suffering, for me it is not the right way. i have dignity.


aristo
As the vultures circle, looking for ways to aquire even more profit, some of us watch in disgust.
You are not alone
1785) Message boards : Politics : No time for panic (Message 813732)
Posted 1 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
If I remember correctly, our friend Rush is a low level functionary/management wannabe.
He is also a strong believer in letting people fall by the wayside if they can't keep up.

His last answer is classic Rush (more Limbaugh than most humans can muster) in that when some ceo is raping the system and can steal another $10 million on his way out the door, it's none of your business.
It's none of your business unless you, as a taxpayer, are being asked to supply that $10 million to the moron who drove his company to insolvency.

This is a perfect time for American citizens (not the elites, but working people) to take control of their own destiny.
These jerk thieves driving the economy have been beating working people into submission while declaring your productivity is too low for so long that most have come to believe this as fact.

While working people strive to satisfy the ruling class, in spite of the betrayal of the dream and promise of a prosperous working class, the elites have been steadily sending jobs overseas to be performed by a slave/serf population.

I've been advocating a socially democratic solution for many years and recent events have only served to show that I am more correct than Milton Friedman.

His theories are based on nothing but naked greed and the quest for raw power.
Those who believe in a socially democratic state base their theories on the needs of the many.

1786) Message boards : Politics : 700 Billion another way (Message 813728)
Posted 1 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Is the great experiment in complete faith in the invisible hand of the market over yet?
Will the followers of the disciples of the Chicago School of Economics finally have their eyes opened to the real truth of this fantasy?

Will young people in America shake off the bonds of blind consumerism and realize the empty promise?

Will young people like Chris be able to withstand the onslaught of abuse hurled at those who offer a socially democratic solution in these forums from the ditto-heads. (ditto-heads are the people who nod their heads while listening to Limbaugh's ravings)

Americans are finding themselves in uncharted waters and if the citizens don't take control of the tiller, they leave the way clear for a solution from other sources.
Will those other sources have the people's interests at heart, or will the interests of the pampered elites be foremost?

Read Howard Zinn. Read Noam Chomsky. Read Naomi Klein.
Inform and educate yourself to the point where you are able to make a wise choice based on truth, not propaganda and lies.

There is a multitude of economic theories to base national policy upon.

Laissez-faire economics should now take it's place in history along with the dinosaurs.
Why not try something that reflects the needs of the many?
1787) Message boards : Politics : Why loan companies and financial institutions are really failing (Message 813613)
Posted 1 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Did anyone take the time to actually read the site offered as proof by RichaG?

This site actually blames Obama for this meltdown.
It also makes some even more wild accusations about who was to blame for the hurricane Katrina blunders
Holy Cow!

http://www.webcommentary.com/asp/ShowArticle.asp?id=gaynorm&date=080929
1788) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! VI-*CLOSED* (Message 813608)
Posted 1 Oct 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'm going to toss a coin because two of these captions are hilarious (to me anyways)

It's between CyberWraith and Blurf...long pause while I dig into my pocket for a quarter.

Heads...it's CyberWraith

Good captions everyone.
1789) Message boards : Politics : No time for panic II (Message 813206)
Posted 29 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Naomi Klein

Naomi Klein
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Oct. 20 - New York City



Free Market Ideology is Far from Finished
By Naomi Klein - September 19th, 2008
Whatever the events of this week mean, nobody should believe the overblown claims that the market crisis signals the death of "free market" ideology. Free market ideology has always been a servant to the interests of capital, and its presence ebbs and flows depending on its usefulness to those interests.

During boom times, it's profitable to preach laissez faire, because an absentee government allows speculative bubbles to inflate. When those bubbles burst, the ideology becomes a hindrance, and it goes dormant while big government rides to the rescue. But rest assured: the ideology will come roaring back when the bailouts are done. The massive debts the public is accumulating to bail out the speculators will then become part of a global budget crisis that will be the rationalization for deep cuts to social programs, and for a renewed push to privatize what is left of the public sector. We will also be told that our hopes for a green future are, sadly, too costly.

What we don't know is how the public will respond. Consider that in North America, everybody under the age of 40 grew up being told that the government can't intervene to improve our lives, that government is the problem not the solution, that laissez faire was the only option. Now, we are suddenly seeing an extremely activist, intensely interventionist government, seemingly willing to do whatever it takes to save investors from themselves.

This spectacle necessarily raises the question: if the state can intervene to save corporations that took reckless risks in the housing markets, why can't it intervene to prevent millions of Americans from imminent foreclosure? By the same token, if $85bn can be made instantly available to buy the insurance giant AIG, why is single-payer health care – which would protect Americans from the predatory practices of health-care insurance companies – seemingly such an unattainable dream? And if ever more corporations need taxpayer funds to stay afloat, why can't taxpayers make demands in return – like caps on executive pay, and a guarantee against more job losses?

Now that it's clear that governments can indeed act in times of crises, it will become much harder for them to plead powerlessness in the future. Another potential shift has to do with market hopes for future privatizations. For years, the global investment banks have been lobbying politicians for two new markets: one that would come from privatizing public pensions and the other that would come from a new wave of privatized or partially privatized roads, bridges and water systems. Both of these dreams have just become much harder to sell: Americans are in no mood to trust more of their individual and collective assets to the reckless gamblers on Wall Street, especially because it seems more than likely that taxpayers will have to pay to buy back their own assets when the next bubble bursts.

With the World Trade Organization talks off the rails, this crisis could also be a catalyst for a radically alternative approach to regulating world markets and financial systems. Already, we are seeing a move towards "food sovereignty" in the developing world, rather than leaving access to food to the whims of commodity traders. The time may finally have come for ideas like taxing trading, which would slow speculative investment, as well as other global capital controls.

And now that nationalization is not a dirty word, the oil and gas companies should watch out: someone needs to pay for the shift to a greener future, and it makes most sense for the bulk of the funds to come from the highly profitable sector that is most responsible for our climate crisis. It certainly makes more sense than creating another dangerous bubble in carbon trading.

But the crisis we are seeing calls for even deeper changes than that. The reason these junk loans were allowed to proliferate was not just because the regulators didn't understand the risk. It is because we have an economic system that measures our collective health based exclusively on GDP growth. So long as the junk loans were fuelling economic growth, our governments actively supported them. So what is really being called into question by the crisis is the unquestioned commitment to growth at all costs. Where this crisis should lead us is to a radically different way for our societies to measure health and progress.

None of this, however, will happen without huge public pressure placed on politicians in this key period. And not polite lobbying but a return to the streets and the kind of direct action that ushered in the New Deal in the 1930s. Without it, there will be superficial changes and a return, as quickly as possible, to business as usual.
1790) Message boards : Politics : No time for panic (Message 813202)
Posted 29 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Friends,

Let me cut to the chase. The biggest robbery in the history of this country is taking place as you read this. Though no guns are being used, 300 million hostages are being taken. Make no mistake about it: After stealing a half trillion dollars to line the pockets of their war-profiteering backers for the past five years, after lining the pockets of their fellow oilmen to the tune of over a hundred billion dollars in just the last two years, Bush and his cronies -- who must soon vacate the White House -- are looting the U.S. Treasury of every dollar they can grab. They are swiping as much of the silverware as they can on their way out the door.

No matter what they say, no matter how many scare words they use, they are up to their old tricks of creating fear and confusion in order to make and keep themselves and the upper one percent filthy rich. Just read the first four paragraphs of the lead story in last Monday's New York Times and you can see what the real deal is:


"Even as policy makers worked on details of a $700 billion bailout of the financial industry, Wall Street began looking for ways to profit from it.

"Financial firms were lobbying to have all manner of troubled investments covered, not just those related to mortgages.

"At the same time, investment firms were jockeying to oversee all the assets that Treasury plans to take off the books of financial institutions, a role that could earn them hundreds of millions of dollars a year in fees.

"Nobody wants to be left out of Treasury's proposal to buy up bad assets of financial institutions."

Unbelievable. Wall Street and its backers created this mess and now they are going to clean up like bandits. Even Rudy Giuliani is lobbying for his firm to be hired (and paid) to "consult" in the bailout.

The problem is, nobody truly knows what this "collapse" is all about. Even Treasury Secretary Paulson admitted he doesn't know the exact amount that is needed (he just picked the $700 billion number out of his head!). The head of the congressional budget office said he can't figure it out nor can he explain it to anyone.

And yet, they are screeching about how the end is near! Panic! Recession! The Great Depression! Y2K! Bird flu! Killer bees! We must pass the bailout bill today!! The sky is falling! The sky is falling!

Falling for whom? NOTHING in this "bailout" package will lower the price of the gas you have to put in your car to get to work. NOTHING in this bill will protect you from losing your home. NOTHING in this bill will give you health insurance.

Health insurance? Mike, why are you bringing this up? What's this got to do with the Wall Street collapse?

It has everything to do with it. This so-called "collapse" was triggered by the massive defaulting and foreclosures going on with people's home mortgages. Do you know why so many Americans are losing their homes? To hear the Republicans describe it, it's because too many working class idiots were given mortgages that they really couldn't afford. Here's the truth: The number one cause of people declaring bankruptcy is because of medical bills. Let me state this simply: If we had had universal health coverage, this mortgage "crisis" may never have happened.

This bailout's mission is to protect the obscene amount of wealth that has been accumulated in the last eight years. It's to protect the top shareholders who own and control corporate America. It's to make sure their yachts and mansions and "way of life" go uninterrupted while the rest of America suffers and struggles to pay the bills. Let the rich suffer for once. Let them pay for the bailout. We are spending 400 million dollars a day on the war in Iraq. Let them end the war immediately and save us all another half-trillion dollars!

I have to stop writing this and you have to stop reading it. They are staging a financial coup this morning in our country. They are hoping Congress will act fast before they stop to think, before we have a chance to stop them ourselves. So stop reading this and do something -- NOW! Here's what you can do immediately:

1. Call or e-mail Senator Obama. Tell him he does not need to be sitting there trying to help prop up Bush and Cheney and the mess they've made. Tell him we know he has the smarts to slow this thing down and figure out what's the best route to take. Tell him the rich have to pay for whatever help is offered. Use the leverage we have now to insist on a moratorium on home foreclosures, to insist on a move to universal health coverage, and tell him that we the people need to be in charge of the economic decisions that affect our lives, not the barons of Wall Street.

2. Take to the streets. Participate in one of the hundreds of quickly-called demonstrations that are taking place all over the country (especially those near Wall Street and DC).

3. Call your Representative in Congress and your Senators. (click here to find their phone numbers). Tell them what you told Senator Obama.

When you screw up in life, there is hell to pay. Each and every one of you reading this knows that basic lesson and has paid the consequences of your actions at some point. In this great democracy, we cannot let there be one set of rules for the vast majority of hard-working citizens, and another set of rules for the elite, who, when they screw up, are handed one more gift on a silver platter. No more! Not again!

Yours,
Michael Moore
MMFlint@aol.com
MichaelMoore.com

P.S. Having read further the details of this bailout bill, you need to know you are being lied to. They talk about how they will prevent golden parachutes. It says NOTHING about what these executives and fat cats will make in SALARY. According to Rep. Brad Sherman of California, these top managers will continue to receive million-dollar-a-month paychecks under this new bill. There is no direct ownership given to the American people for the money being handed over. Foreign banks and investors will be allowed to receive billion-dollar handouts. A large chunk of this $700 billion is going to be given directly to Chinese and Middle Eastern banks. There is NO guarantee of ever seeing that money again.

P.P.S. From talking to people I know in DC, they say the reason so many Dems are behind this is because Wall Street this weekend put a gun to their heads and said either turn over the $700 billion or the first thing we'll start blowing up are the pension funds and 401(k)s of your middle class constituents. The Dems are scared they may make good on their threat. But this is not the time to back down or act like the typical Democrat we have witnessed for the last eight years. The Dems handed a stolen election over to Bush. The Dems gave Bush the votes he needed to invade a sovereign country. Once they took over Congress in 2007, they refused to pull the plug on the war. And now they have been cowered into being accomplices in the crime of the century. You have to call them now and say "NO!" If we let them do this, just imagine how hard it will be to get anything good done when President Obama is in the White House. THESE DEMOCRATS ARE ONLY AS STRONG AS THE BACKBONE WE GIVE THEM. CALL CONGRESS NOW.
1791) Message boards : Politics : Interesting Link (Message 813191)
Posted 29 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The Huffington Post is a good source for the truth Chris.

Unfortunately, I'm working the afternoon shift again, so I'll miss listening to Palin speak at length about nothing.

She sounds like a low to medium level management type from most any corporation, plenty of catch words and phrases...lots of confidence based on nothing...and the belief that the average person won't question what's been said out of fear of appearing unintelligent enough to have understood in the first place.

The average person is polite enough to actually think that if something doesn't make sense, then it must be their own fault for not understanding.

People like Palin have made carreers out of this politeness in people.
1792) Message boards : Politics : McCain Skipping Debate (Message 813181)
Posted 29 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Born in '82
You just made me feel very old.
I still have some high school wrestling t-shirts in the bottom drawer that are almost a decade older than you.

Oh well...you know what they say..."The older I get; the better I was." LOL
1793) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! VI-*CLOSED* (Message 813115)
Posted 29 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thanks Dr. Who Fan
There were some good lines this last round.


OK Here's a snarley face in need of some comment...

1794) Message boards : Politics : Why loan companies and financial institutions are really failing (Message 813102)
Posted 29 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I just have a hard time believing that a western government could or would threaten fines to private companies for not lending money to high risk individuals.

Every banker in the country would be standing before a tribunal board answering for their misdeeds if that was the case.
1795) Message boards : Politics : Why loan companies and financial institutions are really failing (Message 813057)
Posted 29 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Clinton appointed Janet Reno, term March 11, 1993 – January 20, 2001.
Clinton used the justice department to force companys to make mortgages in the redlined areas under threats of fines if they didn't.
Private companies had to make the bad mortgages.
It had nothing to do with Congress.



RichaG
Is there somewhere one can go online to verify this?
I've seen this claim made recently and really question the validity.
1796) Message boards : Politics : Russian navy sails to Venezuela (Message 812977)
Posted 28 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
There's no need to ask...the levels of denial are quite apparent.

I believe that if you would take the time to read what you are arguing against, you will see that I posted an ACTIVE link to the 1992 coup attempt by Chavez about 7 posts ago.
1797) Message boards : Politics : Russian navy sails to Venezuela (Message 812969)
Posted 28 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Sorry, not my job to hold your hand. Educate yourself. You can clearly see the search criteria I used.


I'm not going to engage in this drivel
I've made my points
I'm right and you're wrong
(raspberry noise)
1798) Message boards : Politics : Russian navy sails to Venezuela (Message 812963)
Posted 28 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1800393.stm

I just can't understand the depth of indoctrination you have undergone.




hey stupid, try 1992 and tell us how that foot in your mouth tastes

http://www.google.com/search?q=chavez+coup+attempt+1992&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=com.google:en-US:official&client=firefox-a


Activate the link
1799) Message boards : Politics : Russian navy sails to Venezuela (Message 812961)
Posted 28 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1800393.stm

I just can't understand the depth of indoctrination you have undergone.

1800) Message boards : Politics : Russian navy sails to Venezuela (Message 812955)
Posted 28 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The Bush Doctrine of 'Invade first, justify later' has made the world all the more dangerous.

Nation states are compelled to put forth a show of strength, including development of nuclear weapons, to stave off possible attacks.

Is this the legacy of a true Christian leader with deep convictions toward freedom and democracy or that of a puppet of the military industrial complex?

I'm not a believer, but I do know that it is claimed that Christ said (paraphrased) "What you do to the lowest of my brothers, you do to me."

Bush/Cheney have crushed the lowest of their brothers and enabled powerful interests to do the same.

How can it come as a surprise to anyone, other than those insulated from the facts by powerful corporate interests, that the rest of the world gazes in astonished fear at the rapid decline of a once powerful voice for freedom and liberty.

How can it come as a surprise that the rest of the world is sharpening their sabers in case Bush/Cheney/McCain/Palin should focus on them?
1801) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What annoys you most about the Internet? (Message 812949)
Posted 28 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Chain letters promising miracles or good luck if the recipient passes it on.



1802) Message boards : Politics : Russian navy sails to Venezuela (Message 812843)
Posted 28 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I can't engage an unarmed man in a battle of wits...it just ain't right.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/apr/21/usa.venezuela
1803) Message boards : Politics : Russian navy sails to Venezuela (Message 812810)
Posted 28 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


No, we probably would not accept aid from countries who habitually mistreat their citizens.




I love the way you so casually toss stuff out there as fact.

Chavez has raised the standard of living for the poor
Chavez has nationalized much of the economy to pay for infrastructure, healthcare and education.

Chavez has NOT mistreated the citizens.
1804) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! VI-*CLOSED* (Message 812745)
Posted 27 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Oh great! A black hole in the trunk! I knew carrying a particle accelerator back there was a bad idea!





1805) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Alice Cooper (Message 812744)
Posted 27 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Indeed, he did have that as one of his mock execution theatre pieces.
1806) Message boards : Politics : McCain Skipping Debate (Message 812373)
Posted 26 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


There were plenty of other qualified GOP women out there if McCain wanted to make history. I find the choice of a woman great. That way no matter who wins on of those stupid myths can be put to rest. Those myths being a black man or a woman can not be president.

Chris.


Chris, I must assume that you are a young person because about 25 years ago the Democrats had a female VP candidate on the ticket.
Geraldine Ferraro run with Walter Mondale.

I've been rather amused at watching the Republicans congratulating themselves over reinventing the wheel.
1807) Message boards : Politics : Why loan companies and financial institutions are really failing (Message 811935)
Posted 25 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/21/9322/74248/245/602838

Just in case you missed it.

Note the list of high powered Rebulican leaders, operatives, advisers and corporate pigs all in a daisy chain of greed and corruption.

Reading your little piece of fiction has caused me to regurj into the back of my throat, so I must sign off now to get a glass of milk.
1808) Message boards : Politics : Why loan companies and financial institutions are really failing (Message 811933)
Posted 25 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I wouldn't dirty my monitor by going there, but this rant seems like something from the Rush Limbaugh site.

I have just listened to audio of your president talking about deregulation and how he has made it possible for people with bad credit and people who are first time home buyers to own homes. Not just little box houses, but real nice homes.

Stop blaming the Democrats for all of your Republican policy shortcomings.

Your boy has been there for so many horrific events these past 7 years and every one of them has been blamed on past administrations. (Sept11-oil prices-fiscal meltdown...)
Is that the Republican way?

Everyone outside the party is to blame and everyone inside is unaccountable.
1809) Message boards : Politics : Follow the bouncing balls (Message 811825)
Posted 25 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Interesting read on the financial meltdown and it's roots.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/21/9322/74248/245/602838
1810) Message boards : Politics : Another Pearl Harbor??? (Message 811630)
Posted 24 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
That's the term being used suddenly in regard to the melt-down of U.S. financial markets.
This is NOT an outside attack on the United States, it is the direct result of unregulated greed and perverse drives to accumulate vast wealth.

McCain has just announced that he is suspending his campaign for president to return to Washington and work on a solution to the problem.
He also stated that the campaign will remain on hold until a recovery is reached.

This forces us to consider the impossible.
The president has the power (through his and Cheney's legislation) to take complete control in times of national emergency, whether from outside or within the U.S.

Is this the first step in the march to fascism?
Will the economic crisis be the catalyst excuse for the republicans remaining in power?

The next few days and weeks are as close to the "Crystal Night" as you will ever be.

Pay close attention to what your leaders are doing because it may be your last chance.

Just some very concerned advice from a friend and neighbor to the north.
1811) Message boards : Politics : FDR or Hoover? (Message 811621)
Posted 24 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
We are paying over $5 a gallon in Canada already.
As for Walmart, I have never shopped at one of their stores and will continue to avoid them as long as they maintain their unfair labour practices.

I spend more to shop at the unionized stores (getting harder to find since Reagan's reign of terror) to support the cause of a living wage for everyone.

There was a time when a person working in retail could raise a family and buy a home on their takehome pay.
1812) Message boards : Politics : Russian navy sails to Venezuela (Message 811521)
Posted 24 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Since nationalizing most of the Venezuelan economy, Chavez is sitting on a rate of growth that rivals that of China.

Is there a lesson to be learned about spreading the wealth?

I don't blame him one bit for getting friendly with the Russians.
1813) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Alice Cooper (Message 811504)
Posted 24 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Alice Cooper played Prince George British Columbia tonight, and like fine wine, he just keeps getting better with time.

His show this tour is getting back to his more theatrical roots, complete with a hanging.

My 15 year old son was treated to so many classics, including The Awakening, Billion Dollar Babies and Halo of Flies.

This is the third time I've been to an Alice concert and the man never fails to deliver. What a great showman.

Never pass up a chance to see Alice live.
1814) Questions and Answers : Wish list : Screen saver (Message 811431)
Posted 24 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
In the upper left of the screen saver, the bottom line shows new and best gaussians, new and best pulse, etc.

Could another line be added to the screen saver showing the best pulse, triplet and gaussian.
It flashes by so fast sometimes that it's impossible to follow.
1815) Message boards : Politics : FDR or Hoover? (Message 811404)
Posted 23 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Everything the elites have done this past thirty years is coming home to bite us on the arse.

While some prices have dropped, most notably in consumer electronics and clothing, the affect has been to hollow out the economies of North America.

We have effectively shipped inflation overseas by transferring labour costs to the third world and Asia.
While this has caused a short term price drop in products from those sources, eventually the costs of labour are going to start to rise as working people in those countries begin to make demands for a greater share of the profits.

Once the wage scales equalize to western levels and the costs of shipping a crappy walkman disc player around the world go through the roof, the price advantage will be gone but the option of producing goods in North America will not be available as we no longer have any factories.

The super wealthy will be forced to seek alternative regions of slave labour elsewhere in the world to move production to.
Maybe we'll be hungry enough by then to submit to their vision of a home grown class of serfs/slaves.
That is, if we haven't started to eat the rich by then.
1816) Message boards : Politics : aig take over .... socialism ?? (Message 811004)
Posted 22 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
It seems to me that the system is so tilted toward the wants of the very few that even when they royally screw up by following their greed to new depths of depravity, they still win.

The government won't allow them to fail, so it kicks a trillion or more dollars to them, thus allowing the money lenders and speculators time to forclose on the poor to further enrich themselves.

TIME TO WAKE UP AMERICA!



The problem you still don't seem to comprehend is people like ME are not the "very few"...it's people like you.

In fact, I'd go as far as to say the VAST majority of the world pays their own way through life.


I am quite certain that you are not one of the "very few" I was speaking of.
The "very few" are the ones with so much money that they tell governments what to do.

They can also afford to engineer social attitudes to produce supporters of their programs to funnel capital toward the top.
Enjoy the ride dude.

In the end, you'll still be a peasant like the rest of us but apparently quite happy in the knowledge that you've served your masters well.

End post with raspberry sound.
1817) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! VI-*CLOSED* (Message 810459)
Posted 21 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:





Why is Bobby making me watch this stupid gladiator movie?
1818) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! VI-*CLOSED* (Message 810436)
Posted 21 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
OK kiddies
Since I'll be busy Sunday playing Keeper in the NCSSL North Cariboo Senior Soccer League Final [Master's Division](followed by the consumption of vast amounts of good Canadian made beer) it's probably best for all concerned that I choose a winner right now...

My choice, and it made me laugh out loud...

MrGray with "Do you like gladiator movies, Bobby?"





1819) Message boards : Cafe SETI : . . . the 'Right' to be _ _ _ _ _ _ Thread (Message 810431)
Posted 21 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
My claim is the 'Right' to be left.
1820) Message boards : Politics : aig take over .... socialism ?? (Message 810411)
Posted 20 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

The FACT of the matter is that the institutions are not gone and if allowed to repossess collateral and assets associated with said loans, they wouldn't be failing either.
:)


It seems to me that the system is so tilted toward the wants of the very few that even when they royally screw up by following their greed to new depths of depravity, they still win.

The government won't allow them to fail, so it kicks a trillion or more dollars to them, thus allowing the money lenders and speculators time to forclose on the poor to further enrich themselves.

TIME TO WAKE UP AMERICA!





1821) Message boards : Politics : aig take over .... socialism ?? (Message 810373)
Posted 20 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


My understanding is that Republicans stand for fiscal conservatism however in the last eight years they have pillaged this country into financial turmoil.

They have repealed banking laws to benefit the fleet street people. Greed has run amok since Jan. 2001 with no accountability who make financial choices for this country. This has to stop!!!!!!!!!!!!!


In democracies worldwide, the party from the right wing always portrays itself as the fiscal genious.

The reality, which is very easy to google, is that under republican/conservative (or whatever name the right calls itself) governance, the debt and deficit are ALWAYS increased.
These are the believers in channeling all profits to a select few while cutting programs that help working people and the poor.

PS: Republican greed has been running amok since Reagan took up space in office.
Until that point in American history, Republican greed was only rampant.





1822) Message boards : Politics : aig take over .... socialism ?? (Message 810372)
Posted 20 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
What are the powerful monied interests going to do to millions of American citizens who refuse to vacate and plant themselves on their front porches with a shotgun?



Call the police and have them arrested for trespassing and while they are sitting in jail, hold a sheriff's auction and sell off their assets.

You are sadly mistaken if you think a majority of the world thinks like you do, Robert.


Really
If the institutions are gone, who holds the paper on the home?

The only way for them to collect the debts is by being propped up by tax dollars.
Don't give them any tax dollars. Let them fall.

Better yet...let them starve like the jobless people you hold in such low regard.
Funny how your humanity extends only to corporations and the wealthy.
1823) Message boards : Politics : aig take over .... socialism ?? (Message 810284)
Posted 20 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Let these towers of greed and speculation crumble to the ground.
Deregulation of the markets is what the powerful capitalist interests wanted so damned well let them have it.

Take the tens of billions earmarked for corporate welfare and bail-outs (much of it is going to end up as golden parachutes for the idiots running these institutions into ruin) and put it toward a single payer healthcare system and infrastructure improvement projects to create work for American citizens.

Oh ya...and no one should lose their home over this corporate cash grab.
Let the money lenders and speculators shrivel up and die.
Once the institutions are gone, no one owns the debt on the homes anymore.

What are the powerful monied interests going to do to millions of American citizens who refuse to vacate and plant themselves on their front porches with a shotgun?
1824) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! VI-*CLOSED* (Message 809980)
Posted 19 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thank you Nessie
Sorry that I couldn't get at this last night...

OK, here we go

1825) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Quiz: Are you a geek or a nerd? (Message 808905)
Posted 16 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I seem to be a 14 point nerd.
1826) Message boards : Cafe SETI : The Pet Peeve Thread (Message 808667)
Posted 15 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I drove linehaul for 20 years.

My peeve is meatsticks (usually in a motorhome) who drive slower than the speed limit until they come to a passing lane and then speed up so they can't be passed. GRRRRRRRRRRR

Let the tractors get by.
1827) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! VI-*CLOSED* (Message 808664)
Posted 15 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:




Walk softly, and carry a big stick.
1828) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! VI-*CLOSED* (Message 807679)
Posted 13 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:




No wonder there's been no signals from space...the aliens are in our deli sections.
1829) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! VI-*CLOSED* (Message 806642)
Posted 10 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:




Little Georgie Bush remains confident that he can hold back the Asian juggernaught created by globalization and the free flow of capital.
1830) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! VI-*CLOSED* (Message 806622)
Posted 10 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
My photo was judged as obscene and removed.

I thought it was the funniest picture I'd ever seen. Oh well...

As it appears my judgement is lacking, I pass the win onto the second place finalist

MrGray, could you please do the honours and select something tastefull and non-offensive?
1831) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! VI-*CLOSED* (Message 805976)
Posted 7 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:




Renaldo realizes, with horror, that his seven year reign as the catch king in the festered bladder toss is about to end.
1832) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! VI-*CLOSED* (Message 805644)
Posted 6 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Yup
That was my pick too...but I had Jeffrey in second.
1833) Message boards : Cafe SETI : United Arab Emirates Residents. (Message 805590)
Posted 6 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Isn't this also where the popular and responsible corporate citizen Haliburton relocated their head office to?
It's good to work for the American government, then move all the profits overseas and not pay your share of the taxes.

What a world.
1834) Message boards : Cafe SETI : United Arab Emirates Residents. (Message 805468)
Posted 6 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
To join the team "UAE Residents" please see this thread.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Calling all National and Expat residents of the UAE.

Few people out there in cruncherville know anything about the UAE. The majority think that it is like Saudi, Iran, Iraq, Egypt, Jordan etc and have no idea that it is modern forward thinking, multi-national, multi-religious, multi-ethnic society.
Many people think that there are no churches here, that women can't drive cars or own property and businesses and that alcohol is banned...REALLY!
If you want the world to know more about your country then please do post your thoughts here.



What do you think of the "Burj Dubai"?
It's not yet complete but is already the tallest building in the world and has already broken seven world records.




What do you think of the "Burj Al-Arab" the only 7-Star Hotel in the world?

Personally I think it is a magnificent and beautiful national icon on the outside and an horrendous, typically tasteless, Arabic mess of colours on the inside.




What do you think of the road toll system?

It has increased motoring costs but hasn't eased the traffic problem at all. Do you agree?

What do you think of the new Mono-Rail system?




Will it ease the traffic problem at all or will it just be an expensive white Elephant.
People are already saying..."But I still have to drive from my home to the station and find somewhere to park my car, and how do I then get from my destination station to my office?"
How can you go shopping and use the Mono-Rail? It does'nt go to the major Malls and how do you get your heavy shopping too and from, and on and off the Mono?

Did anyone else see the Air Bus Super Jumbo doing it's desert climate testing in Al-Ain?

What an incredible machine. My ears are still ringing from the noise!



What do you think about all the best beaches disapearing from the public domain as more and more tourist hotels are built?
Dhadna, Dibba, and other beaches that used to be secluded weekend getaway places are now spoiled by tourism.

What do you think of "The World" and the "Palms"
The sea levels are rising, many low lying islands around the world are sinking; Vanuatu, Seychelles, Maldives etc. are already cringing at the phenominal cost of building sea-defences; and the GCC countries are building low lying islands.
That's just crazy!



What do you think about the Atlantis?
The first total 5-Star resort with underwater 5-star hotel suites at $6000 per night.
Would you pay that kind of money to live in a 5-star fish tank?
The two-storey "Bridge Suite" in the centre is already booked for years in advance at more than $16000 per night.
That's just crazy money.



What about the second Trump Tower?
We already have one Trump Tower in Dubai, do we really need this monstrosity.
What shall we call it? The Trump Space age tooth-pick?



What do you think about the forthcoming introduction of 3% VAT and the new "Wealth Tax"?

What do you think of the new water consumption charges when the city authorities are still running huge fountains in the city ...and building new ones!

Let's here see your thoughts on the UAE please.

Cheers.

Whiskey.

To join the team "UAE Residents" please see this thread.


I think the next time I hear some big oil executive claiming that the profit margin is small in that industry, I'll remember these photos.

Actually, I'll remember these photos every time I fill my tank.
1835) Message boards : Cafe SETI : my new car (Message 805466)
Posted 6 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
From one guy in Canada to another...paint it rust brown so when it eventually rusts out it'll still look the same.
1836) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! VI-*CLOSED* (Message 804936)
Posted 4 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:





I am the great McMezzmo! When I count to three, you will forget all about the last three republican administrations!
1837) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Thought of the day. (Message 804601)
Posted 3 Sep 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
A quitter never wins,
and a winner never quits.

But a guy who never wins and never quits is an idiot.
1838) Message boards : Politics : I learned a new bad word today ... (Message 733476)
Posted 2 Apr 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The forums have become, like many western societies, very republicanized/corporatized.

Free expression is allowed within the parameters set by the elites.
Anyone venturing outside the boundaries is considered seditious, a malcontent and a trouble maker.

I don't like the rules and so I'm changing the way I play the game.

1839) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Post your quick and easy meal recipes (Message 719511)
Posted 28 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Chili recipe

Open can
Plop into pan
Heat...or not
Shovel it into your piehole in front of the television.

For easier clean up
Eliminate steps 2 and 3

Enjoy, from another guy in Canada
1840) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Music vids of old..........aka the 'old farts' music video thread.... (Message 719125)
Posted 27 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
It dawned on me last night how easy it is now for the kids to find those rare songs.

I spent so many hours scouring the used record stores back in the day.

Frank's Rare Records and Sam the Record Man in Vancouver BC were great sources for the out of circulation oldies (both long gone now) but many times it was some used record bin in some backroad shop that produced a gem.

Now it's all right at our fingertips
1841) Message boards : Politics : Censorship - CLOSED (Message 719122)
Posted 27 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Such a picture may simply be a historical depiction, and not an abusive comment at all. Like this advertisement for the Docudrama "Roots".

Not all pictures are comments. As you pointed out in your earlier post, #718860, you have "attributed thoughts, actions and meanings" to that picture "that simply weren't there." You then built your case on your misconceptions.


Historical depiction eh?

So historical images of the French peasants beheading their oppressors is OK?

If so, can I edit modern faces into the depictions? That won't change the historic facts or alter the meanings of the depictions.

I don't want to cross any lines, so I thought I should get the OK from the authority on what's allowable first.
1842) Message boards : Politics : Censorship - CLOSED (Message 719117)
Posted 27 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
When one side is over represented, the court/congress/senate/parliament or forum simply become a Bully Pulpit.

Interesting concept. I wish some of us had thought of that.

Thanks for the link Dr.

1843) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Music vids of old..........aka the 'old farts' music video thread.... (Message 718764)
Posted 26 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I dug out some old tapes I'd made years ago and was reminded of some more oldies.

The Beau Brummels

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_AjZI11XTM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBBf38X16KM
1844) Message boards : Cafe SETI : I married a saint! (Message 718759)
Posted 26 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
You married a saint?

What a coincidence...so did my wife!

Congratulations to the both of you on 35 years and counting.

I trucked for twenty years and I think that my being on the road all that time is the only reason we're still married. LOL

Keep on grindin' gears and splattin' bugs on that windshield Buddy.
1845) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Non-confrontational happy post (Message 718756)
Posted 26 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
A very happy and non-confrontational post. Today my wife and I celebrated our 35th wedding anniversary. I don't have any idea why she has put up with me for this long. A very happy post indeed!


Congratulations Kaseychief
You must be doing something right so keep it up.

We'll be hitting 25 years in about a week. Are the next ten years going to get better? LOL
1846) Message boards : Politics : Censorship - CLOSED (Message 718750)
Posted 26 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

What is the difference between that picture and Mystique's avatar? Both female figures show body contours, both cover skin, both are provocative. But your daughter's avatar is somehow OK?


One is implicitly sexual and the other is a sleek outline of the feminine form.

Once most of us get past 14 we recognize the difference between sexual and sensual.

It would seem that you don't recognize the difference between the statue of Venus and a skank magazine centerfold.
1847) Message boards : Politics : Censorship - CLOSED (Message 718614)
Posted 26 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Censorship, as I stated earlier, begins with things we don't like and ends with everything the censors don't like.

I believe Misfit is attempting to draw those opposed to censorship into a twisted argument that will only lead to acceptance in the end.

While this depiction Misfit has, not so cleverly, posted is in bad taste and offensive to some, it cannot be removed because that action of removal will justify previous cases where censorship of material and words was based on the same rational of bad taste or offensive.

Who makes the decisions for you?
Do you allow someone else to decide what you can and cannot see and read?

Censorship starts with sexual material and ends with the censorship of ideas.

While I find it remarkable that Misfit, as a moderator, seems to have rights over and above the rights of other forum members in that the censors haven't jumped all over this, it also allows me to draw a parallel to the book Animal Farm, wherein "All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others." (paraphrased)
1848) Message boards : Politics : UK government nationalises Northern Rock (Message 718405)
Posted 25 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The Dr. can fix anything.
1849) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Loikerz WuWu - Have your No-say!!! (Message 718393)
Posted 25 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

blobfish . . .



What the...???? was that???
1850) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Non-confrontational happy post (Message 718391)
Posted 25 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

. . . love the title of this thread: Non-confrontational happy post



Conversations do tend to wonder about, don't they?

I'm happy that Es99 is back, handbag and all.
I've heard that some women put a brick inside their handbag to whomp mashers.
A lady needs protection.
1851) Message boards : Politics : UK government nationalises Northern Rock (Message 718389)
Posted 25 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Absolutely not. Ever heard of the United Negro College fund? How about financial aid based on income? Two sources specifically geared to the "homeless brown person"


Of course.
How could I have been so naive?
That explains why Yale and Harvard are so full of destitute homeless students.
I must have been hoodwinked by socialist propaganda once again.

Thanks for setting the record straight again in that way only you (and a friend or two) seem to be able to do so well.

Snark Snark

That's the sound of a non-confrontational laugh through my nose.







1852) Message boards : Politics : UK government nationalises Northern Rock (Message 718157)
Posted 25 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


You ever met a rich man who couldn't read?

You think there might be some sort of correlation between education and income levels?


While income levels do have a direct link to educational levels, would you not agree that it is so much easier to receive a college education as a rich white male than a homeless brown person?

Is the correlation stating that education leads to income or is it more likely that income leads to education?

I've met a few rich people. Not many. Funny, but the conversation never got around to whether they can read or not.

I venture that the illiteracy rates drop as one's wealth increases but it never reaches zero. Some inbred land baron's son with all the money in the world could inherit the vast amount and never be able to read the will.









1853) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Non-confrontational happy post (Message 718075)
Posted 25 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


I did admit it (this is the third time), and I am sorry.


Well done



1854) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Non-confrontational happy post (Message 718074)
Posted 25 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Welcome back
Nice accessories. Did you get new shoes too?
1855) Message boards : Politics : Censorship - CLOSED (Message 718070)
Posted 25 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Good morning Qui-Gon.
Nice to see you again.
I hope all is well with you today.
Thanks for joining in the discussion.

Having exchanged pleasantries, I would like to post now.

The original intent was to discuss censorship, but as in most conversations, the topic can change without notice.

I'd like to try and steer the topic back to censorship if I may.
I realize that it's not my job to direct the conversation and I normally let the threads I start go where they may, but I did begin with censorship as my theme and I'd like to get back to it.

Society as a whole has profited by free and open discourse. The free western democracies have long held that cencorship is a tool of tyrants, despots and oppressive societies.

The power to control through censorship is one that we as a society have stood against and for the most part, our elected leaders have not tried to violate.

When a citizen starts to feel frightened to exercise their right to speak out against an injustice or a direction their government is taking, or even against some small, tiny, little insignificant bureaucrat in the lowest levels of authority, then we are all damaged.

The problem with censorship is that it usually begins with a small fanatic pushing an agenda that seems, at first glance, to be legitimate and good for the public at large.
It doesn't take very long before it goes from protection of the public to being a tool used to control the public and/or individuals with opinions not shared by those of the authorities.

Once censorship is allowed to be used as a tool of those in authority, the ability to express one's views becomes quite limited.

All through history we have examples of writers who have fought against censorship using the weapons of misdirection such as comedy, irony, metaphor. These writers were driven to this by the need to get around the restrictions placed upon them by small minded censors put into position by frightened administrations.

The founders of western democracies were very aware of the dangers involved when censorship is permitted to thrive.
They knew that eventually it would be abused by those given the authority to decide what the public sees and hears.

They knew that those with the power would also use it to stamp down opposing political views in the course of time.

This is why censorship is such a dangerous and slippery slope.
Once that direction is taken, not just the obscene material is subject to the censor, but everything that doesn't fit into the views of that censor becomes targeted.

Very soon, only the views approved by the authority are seen.

I'd like to use this forum as an example of the bigger world if I may.

We all enjoy our varying degrees of freedom in the countries in which we live.
I'm going to say that virtually everyone in the SETI boards has quite a range of freedoms.
A great many of us enjoy using the forums as a sounding board for ideas and opinions. Some of these, we may not always agree with. But we keep coming back.

Why? Because we find the variety of opinion to be interesting. If this variety were not to exist, I suspect that many people would soon tire of the concept of allowing their computers to be used for free by SETI and would eventually just leave the program or just not bother turning it on to allow it to run.

I see a lot of people with high RAC numbers and a lot with very low RAC numbers.
The ones with low RAC numbers might not be missed at all, but if the high RAC numbers were to leave, I think SETI would suffer greatly.

The example I gave is to illustrate why citizens of oppressive counties will leave behind their homes and families to find freedom elsewhere.

While the uneducated and unskilled (we've seen these words before) may not be missed by the government they are escaping, the highly productive members of that society would most certainly be missed as their contributions are suddenly withdrawn.
Freedom from censorship is an innate instinct in humans and one of the higher goals we seek as citizens and as human beings.
1856) Message boards : Politics : UK government nationalises Northern Rock (Message 717744)
Posted 24 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

He may not fit your perfectionist view of the world but he's a great human being.

At least I think so...


You're arguing against an ideology cRunchy.

If something can't be bought and sold, it has no value.
If someone like your friend falls on hard times, it's his own fault.

The funny thing is, if your friend was exactly as he is now, same skills, education and abilities, but was fithy rich...those same people who spit on him now would then be licking his boots and telling him how good they taste.
No matter what he had been walking in.

They see no value in the person, all value is based on what the person has.

It's a sad and shallow philosophy created by the corporatists in their efforts to remake citizens of a nation into consumers in a marketplace.

Kindness, wisdom and the work ethic mean nothing to these automatons because these qualities cannot be bought and sold.
1857) Message boards : Politics : Censorship - CLOSED (Message 717580)
Posted 24 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
You beat me to it bobby.
I was going to ask if he inherited that dictionary from his great grandfather. LOL
1858) Message boards : Politics : UK government nationalises Northern Rock (Message 717537)
Posted 23 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

By weak you mean uneducated and unskilled, right?

In other words, those who feed off the system rather than contribute to it...


I always have a laugh at your expense when you post stuff like this.

You automatically assume that people who've lost their jobs fall into those two categories.

It's as if the machinists or engineers who are fired when the aerospace industry moves jobs to Asia suddenly have lost their abilities and education.

The system you so despise is there to protect everyone's common interests.

Are you going to mock the system when your house catches fire or when one of those unskilled people you speak of breaks into it? Firefighters and police are part of the SOCIALIZED system.

Oh no. You want protections when it comes to you and your stuff. It's just those other people who aren't worthy of help from the system.

Hell, they aren't even worthy of a little human compassion in your mind.




1859) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : Cosmos with Carl Sagan (Message 717532)
Posted 23 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Outstanding Pawly
This is one of the great educational series of all time.
Sagan had a way of communicating his love of science that was infectious.
1860) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Non-confrontational happy post (Message 717520)
Posted 23 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I see this thread has been moved to the cafe. Interesting..


Seeing it moved from politics to the cafe was a bit of a surprise, but then this isn't a political issue.
It's just a happy non-confrontational thread with nowhere to go and nothing important to say of an obvious nature. LOL
1861) Message boards : Politics : UK government nationalises Northern Rock (Message 717458)
Posted 23 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:



By weak you mean uneducated and unskilled, right?

In other words, those who feed off the system rather than contribute to it...


Let's eliminate the problem by turning the uneducated and unskilled into soylent green wafers to feed the educated and skilled, who will then be better energized to fulfill their assigned tasks from the master class.

What more noble contribution to society could a person make than to fuel the superior classes?
1862) Message boards : Politics : Censorship - CLOSED (Message 717457)
Posted 23 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I am a human being and have rights.
Corporations are not human, therefore have no rights.
(in a perfect world)

Neo-cons love to spread fear of socialism with the alarm cry of private property won't be permitted.

You know it's a lie.

Many countries around the world are socially democratic and, for some strange reason, the people are happier with their lives and also own their own property.

What a concept.
1863) Message boards : Politics : Censorship - CLOSED (Message 717437)
Posted 23 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Ahhh...the tired responses of the scary neo-con.
I have always spoken for the rights and power of the people.
I have always supported the democratic rights of the people.
I believe in an educated population taking more control over their political lives.
I would not supress even your right to spout off as you see fit.

I am anti-fascist in every respect and definition of the word.
I am pro-democracy.
I am pro socialist.
Combine the two and you will find the term social democracy.

I am pro union and pro working people.
I am anti-corporatist (see fascism)

I desire a world in which people, not corporations, control government.
I desire government responsive to the needs of people.

There are my beliefs.
Put your spin on that.
1864) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Hobbies (Message 717413)
Posted 23 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Fishing
Reading
Fishing
Arguing with neo-cons
Fishing
Camping
and I really enjoy fishing.
1865) Message boards : Politics : UK government nationalises Northern Rock (Message 717411)
Posted 23 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Noam Chomsky has discussed this type of situation many times.
The coporate world and investor class preach the marvels of the free market and the disciplines of the free market.
The reality is quite different.

When profits are up, the free market is praised as the provider of all things good.
When profits drop, the working people within the corporation are subjected to the market discipline, ie: they are fired, but the company falls back into the protective arms of the "Nanny State".

The powerful are protected from the market while the weak are subjected to the full force of the market.
Pretty good scam being perpetrated on us eh?
1866) Message boards : Politics : Censorship - CLOSED (Message 717408)
Posted 23 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The freedom to access information and exchange thoughts is fundimental to our social experiment in democracy.

An informed and educated population is critical to the well being and continuity of the democratic proccess.

Can citizens of a democracy be said to be educated if the width and depth of their knowledge has been predetermined by overseers with the power to over ride what they see, hear and say?

The American Library Association (ALA) has some serious concerns about the subject of censorship.

Here is a link to their site:
http://www.ala.org/ala/oif/basics/intellectual.htm

I believe we have are all aware of the format used in most every debate.
A speaker from either side of the topic is present to argue the pro or con side of an issue.
To keep the discussion focussed and on topic is a person, a referee if you will.
The purpose of the referee, as I've stated, is to keep the discussion on topic by remaining neutral throughout the dabate and only stepping in when necessary to steer the argument back on course.

No debate, whether a high school class or a presidential debate, can function without a referee.

Can a debate be said to be legitimate if one side has an open microphone and the referee taking up the topic while the other side stands before a microphone turned off by the referee?
No.
This is why we have developed over the years, a structure within which every debate must function.

To step outside this structure is to step into the realm of censorship.

Freedom of speech is a cornerstone of what we have come to believe in.
Only those who feel we have an 'excess of democracy', by which they mean too much power in the hands of the people, are opposed to the concept of real freedom of speech.
These are the people who would limit what we see, read and hear.
Censorship is all for our own good they would have us believe, when in reality, it is for their own good.

It is the duty and responsibility of every citizen to speak out when they experience censorship, not only when they agree with what is being censored but when they do not agree also.
Especially when they do not agree, as it is the freedom of the minority view to exist which protects the freedom of the majority.
If censorship is allowed to take hold, eventually everyone will find themselves on the other side.

Please take the time to read the link to the ALA site and consider what kind of community you want to be a part of, whether it be your country, province/state, city or small group.
1867) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Non-confrontational happy post (Message 716959)
Posted 22 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I would prefer that this thread was locked and the "Lies, lies, lies" thread re-opened. By far it was one of the more interesting and challenging threads posted here.


I may not be an intellectual equal of Steven Hawking or Noam Chomsky, but I do know how long 24 hours takes, and the last time I checked it was still just one day.

We're at three now and still counting. Thread closed in Feb 19 and today is Feb 22.

This, of course, is not a comment on anything but the passage of time and the number of hours in the day. All quite innocent and non-confrontational.

PS: I really didn't expect anyone to actually post responses of any kind, so I guess it can stay open to post happy thoughts from everyone.
1868) Message boards : Politics : What the heck is up in Berkeley?! (Message 716947)
Posted 22 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
One of your heroes, Donald Rumsfeld, stated way back when he had a job that he'd like to close at least 1/3 of the bases in the US.

Looking at this list, I wonder if that's enough.

http://www.globemaster.de/regbases.html

Of course this list is not complete as there are bases that just don't exist on the books.
1869) Message boards : Politics : Fidel Castro steps down as Cuban leader (Message 716445)
Posted 21 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3504019.stm

I find it strange that Fox News would call this an invasion, unless they assume that no one who watches their drivel would ever look elsewhere for the truth.
1870) Message boards : Politics : What the heck is up in Berkeley?! (Message 716441)
Posted 21 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


The CITY council of Berkeley California does not have any authority over the activities of the USMC, a military arm of the FEDERAL government. Even the recruiting station out of which the Marines work is considered federal property and under federal jurisdiction. The Civil War settled the question of federal precedence over local government...


If I didn't get my point across clearly enough, I apologize and will try again.

I wanted to point out that one body was elected to pass legislation and act as it sees fit in the interests of those who elected them, while the other has no power to act autonomously and must adhere to and follow orders from it's ranking leadership who in turn receive their instructions from Washington.


I was not implying that the USMC was under the jurisdiction of the Berkeley council even though in rereading the post I can see where I should have expanded a little bit in my explanation.










1871) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Non-confrontational happy post (Message 716226)
Posted 21 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I thought I'd just say what a wonderful day it's been.
Politically, nothing irritating happened at all.
Everyone seems to be getting along well at work too.
Yup...happy happy happy.

Well, it's time to go upstairs and clip the dog's claws. I'm sure that none of us enjoy that clicking noise when they walk around the house with long claws.

Doesn't this make for some riveting reading?
I think all posts should be this interesting.

One good thing about this style of post. There's no disputing what I have to say...unless you enjoy the clicking sound from the unclipped claws of a dog.

Well, goodnight everybody. Happy dreams. Don't forget to be happy at all times.

Note to self...Verify rules.

1) 'kid friendly'...check
2) no commercials...check
3) no links to nasty sites...check
4) no antagonism...check
5) no hostility...check
6) no abusive comments...check
7) no commenting on mods...check
8) no material from other posts...check
9) no recruiting...check

It never hurts to follow the rules because the rules are in place to make things fair for everyone to enjoy the forums.

Bye Bye now
Happy Happy

Mods, could you please lock this thread now because I don't want any problems with the pro claw clicking crowd.
As I did start the thread it is my right under the rules to ask that it be locked.
Thank you.




1872) Message boards : Cafe SETI : we now know avg age, how about occupation? (Message 715818)
Posted 20 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Was a line haul trucker for 20 years but got tired of the road so I now work for the city. Home every night in my own bed.
1873) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! IV - Closed (Message 715811)
Posted 20 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
(hic) I ain't no redneck (hic) I is red all over (urp)
1874) Message boards : Politics : What the heck is up in Berkeley?! (Message 714906)
Posted 18 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
You can't seem to understand that the military is not in charge, they are the servant.
The elected council is in authority and makes laws while the military is to do as it is instructed.

When the military in any other country acts as you seem to be wanting here, we would call it a coup. But for some strange reason, you would happily accept this inside your own country.

Time for a reality check dude. Get real and stop with the infantile posturing.
1875) Message boards : Politics : What the heck is up in Berkeley?! (Message 714544)
Posted 18 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Maybe we should have the Army drag some cannons and shoot them in front of city hall in berkely ever city council meeting. That wouldn't be disruptive would it?


That is not such a well thought out notion.

You would stand by while the military intimidated elected councils? Do you appreciate the depths to which American freedoms and democracy have fallen?

Well, on second thought, that idea could be helpful in waking people up to the fact that they have conceided control of their governmental institutions.

What the hell, fire when ready!
1876) Message boards : Cafe SETI : How many times can you be wrong? (Message 714507)
Posted 17 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'm wrong all the time, ask my wife. :-)


Ditto
1877) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Goofiest things online (Message 714213)
Posted 17 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
A Lord of the Rings parody

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A64zdAZ3CCA

Jack Black always gets me rolling in the aisle
1878) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Goofiest things online (Message 714204)
Posted 17 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The Hula Girlz video got me looking through you tube for other goofy clips.

I found a guy calling himself Rev. Charles

Here's the original

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbneI7FhBpM

and here's the remix

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ctv4s0QC9Nc

Let's see what else is out there for laughs.
Have you found something you'd like to share with the class? Drop it in.
1879) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 714196)
Posted 17 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'd also like to challenge the mouth breathers to watch this.

There are no car chases or shootouts, nothing gets blowed up and there's no T&A in it.

All you get is two hours of discourse from an intelligent and wise man who has grave and very real concerns for and about America.



1880) Message boards : Politics : Political Thread [21] (Message 714186)
Posted 17 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The article posted by bobby just above is sickening.
What kind of twisted minds and retarded social development causes one human to do this to another?
The mouth breathers support this type of cruelty with gleefull cackles while arguing that this is going to make the world better and safer.

No rational person can possibly believe this dehumanizing tactic will create anything but more hatered for the country responsible.

I wonder, will it come as such a big surprise if the rest of the world decides that America has become a rogue terror state and acts accordingly to stop the madness?
It's not without precident.
The Germans were quite secure with their military might at one time, as were the French, as were the English, as were the Dutch, as were the Spanish and as were the Romans. (there's always more to add, but you get the idea)



1881) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 714169)
Posted 17 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thank you Franz, that was facinating and frightening.
I just finished the two pieces and so many of the issues many of us have spoken about were covered so very well by Johnson.

I haven't come across this man before, but you can have no doubt that I'll be looking for his books.

Personally, I feel vindicated by the two pieces you posted.
Thank you again.
1882) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 714090)
Posted 17 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

A lot of dead US soldiers as well.........


Sadly yes, a lot of fine American men and women in the armed forces have been killed as part of this ill advised venture in destruction capitalism.

These aren't street corner punks that join the services, but some of the best young people America has.

For what?

To soldiers, it's honour, country and duty.

For those profiting from war it's money and power.

Rumsfeld Rice Cheney and Bush make me puke.

The soldier doesn't have the luxury of being able to debate the rights and wrongs of foreign policy as we can here, they go where and when they are ordered.
It is their duty and they will fulfill that obligation.

It is our duty and obligation to ensure that they are not used recklessly in some insane corporate drive to profit from war and destruction.
When soldiers are sent into harms way our elected leaders better have good reasons.
If not, we must hold our leaders responsible and accountable when they have made the wrong decision.
1883) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Music vids of old..........aka the 'old farts' music video thread.... (Message 713956)
Posted 17 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Whatcha think..........
Oldest post in da thresd????


I dunno...I think pawly has you beat with the invention of music. LOL














1884) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Music vids of old..........aka the 'old farts' music video thread.... (Message 713954)
Posted 17 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Edwin Starr...WAR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d8C4AIFgUg
1885) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 713942)
Posted 16 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

What a coincidence, everyone there isn't a target either. Can the same be said for the occupants of the World Trade Center on 911?


Tell me again how many Iraqis were involved in the Sept 11 attack?

There were 19 hijackers in that attack and NOT ONE was Iraqi.

Here's their faces, names and countries they came from...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organizers_of_the_September_11,_2001_attacks

How many Saudis do you count in this bunch? I see 15 of 19.
What was the main demand of Bin Laden? American troops out of Saudi Arabia.
Can you put one and one together?

Bin Laden got what he wanted and Bush got what he wanted.

In the middle are a lot of dead Iraqis.


On the sidelines are cheerleaders like you praising your man of action president.

For decency's sake, open your eyes. Stop being such a meat stick.
1886) Message boards : Politics : Letter to my niece, (Message 713935)
Posted 16 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Because them good ole boys is republicans.
1887) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 713837)
Posted 16 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Attempting to communicate with the mouthbreather is like talking to a recorded telemarketing machine.
The message is one way and it's annoying. The guy formed his opinions during the Reagan era and hasn't moved one inch toward developing a social conscience since that point. ME ME ME MINE MINE MINE

Smashedbrain is angry at civilian deaths only when they are American civilian deaths. What about the civilians in the Middle East?
Have we not seen the photos of the wounded and killed children?
Can't he understand that they are just as outraged at these kind of deaths as we are?

Not everyone is a maniac suicide bomber in the region.

Just the same way, not everyone in America gets their opinions from Limbaugh.
Some people know that what their government is doing is wrong.
1888) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Music vids of old..........aka the 'old farts' music video thread.... (Message 713714)
Posted 16 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
No point stopping yet
Joan Baez...With God On Our Side

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pih1hVdflnQ
1889) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Music vids of old..........aka the 'old farts' music video thread.... (Message 713699)
Posted 16 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
LOL
It seems like just yesterday, doesn't it?
1890) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Music vids of old..........aka the 'old farts' music video thread.... (Message 713696)
Posted 16 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The Kingston Trio...Where Have All The Flowers Gone

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMp5YBW-nJ4
1891) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Music vids of old..........aka the 'old farts' music video thread.... (Message 713691)
Posted 16 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I love both of them too, but I can't forgive myself for not thinking of Joan while looking for these forgotten names in music. Good call msattler.
1892) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Music vids of old..........aka the 'old farts' music video thread.... (Message 713687)
Posted 16 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Tom Jones...It's Not Unusual

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGf0sZEB6Pc
1893) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Music vids of old..........aka the 'old farts' music video thread.... (Message 713671)
Posted 16 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Buffy Sainte-Marie...Universal Soldier

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gg0LOzCkxxE
1894) Message boards : Politics : Letter to my niece, (Message 713652)
Posted 16 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
[quote]
And at the same time have to listen or read what outsiders think of my country and at the same time they claim to have the same rights as I do in my country Freedom of Speech and then be told by a moderator that Freedom of Speech in my country is extended to all, even outsiders, because we are liberals.
[quote]

One of the problems with American media is that you, as a citizen, are never shown what the rest of the world thinks.
Is this because you don't want to know or is it because those who control the media don't want you to know?

What could possibly be wrong with using your computer to access newspapers from around the world? You might find some truths out there that have been hidden from you.

Try reading the Letters to the Editor from London or Toronto. See what people elsewhere are concerned about.

Those "outsiders" may have a perspective on events that could change your whole way of thinking.











1895) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 713644)
Posted 16 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
You ask what action the US has taken in the Middle East that justifies being attacked on Sept 11?

Violence leads to only more violence and I believe nothing justifies that act.

Having said this, I do believe that when a country is involved in overthrowing democratically elected governments, assassinations, weapons dealing and propping up dictators with both money and troops- there may come a time where those most affected by the involvement might take actions against the country they see as the creator of whatever woes they are suffering.

In the case of Sept 11, Bin Laden wanted US troops out of Saudi Arabia.
Bush, in spite of all his posturing and bluster, did remove the troops, giving Binboy exactly what he demanded.
Since then, no more trouble from Bin Laden.

1896) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 713380)
Posted 16 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Here's a short timeline of US involvement in the Middle East.
It isn't complete and was last updated in 2001 but it clearly shows why some people in the region might be a little angry when Uncle Sam comes calling.

http://www.zmag.org/middletimeline.htm

I hope this helps to present a better idea as to what the big picture really is.
1897) Message boards : Politics : One of the "Jena 6" at it again (Message 712996)
Posted 15 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Yes.
Your towering intellect has overwhelmed me once again.

1898) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 712995)
Posted 15 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

So exactly what rights and liberties have you lost? Gotta be the 10th time I've asked this question and still no response from anyone.


Another flat out lie.








1899) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 712993)
Posted 15 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Those aren't beliefs, those are facts. There's a difference. (most people get that)
1900) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 712793)
Posted 15 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
[quote]
For your information the United States of America lost many citizens in the attack on the Worlds Trade Center located in New York City. What else don't you understand.
[quote]

That is clearly understood by everyone and it's still burned into our collective minds.

The entire world was shocked and angered by that attack.

The French headlines stated "Today We Are All Americans"
The Iranians held candlelight vigils.

Everyone was with America on that day.

What happened to all of the goodwill and solidarity?
Bush and Cheney pissed it away by going cowboy.

Why does your goverment need to know what books you read? And is it any of their business?

How does America become stronger by taking away freedoms and civil liberties?
All this does is allow those who control your government a stronger grip on power while reducing your privacy and freedom.

Bush claims that Iraq and Iran hate America because of your freedom, yet his solution to this is to reduce your freedom and create a system whereby they can control you better.

I never thought Americans would put up with this in a million years.

"Don't tread on me"
"Live free or die"
Where did your independence and free thought go?
It seems that now you are only free to think the way you're told to. Stay inside the box or you'll be considered an enemy combatant subject to rendition.

Very sad days indeed.






1901) Message boards : Politics : One of the "Jena 6" at it again (Message 712784)
Posted 15 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I was hoping no one would take the bait on this post and it would simply die on it's own lack of merit.
1902) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 712747)
Posted 15 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Richard Clarke has a few thoughts on the matter.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/03/19/60minutes/main607356.shtml

1903) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 712381)
Posted 14 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Just answer to the new proof of lies I posted.

The CIA briefing dated Aug 6, 2001 clearly states the danger of hijackings and the surveillance of federal buildings in New York.

Another person has stated that at least Bush did something, and was a man of action when it came to Iraq.

What did this great man of action do when presented with this briefing?

Nothing.

He didn't even read it. But he did try to deny it's existence after the fact.
1904) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 712373)
Posted 14 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://fpc.state.gov/fpc/31435.htm

Ya, I think they knew.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/apr2004/pdb-a12.shtml


The first link is the actual CIA briefing to the president from Aug 6 2001.

Seems like they had an idea something was up wouldn't you agree?

The second link is Condi Rice twisting in the wind over the lies told about events leading up to Sept 11.

This is real life, not some 70's garbage tv show.
1905) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 712367)
Posted 14 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://fpc.state.gov/fpc/31435.htm

Ya, I think they knew.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/apr2004/pdb-a12.shtml
1906) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 712361)
Posted 14 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Your "belief" is based on lies and ignorance. Corporations hold no political power, it's the individual who has a vote, not the company he works for.



Government is the shadow cast by big business over society



1907) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 712353)
Posted 14 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

And when he said, as well as condi and the others, that nobody could have possibly suspected anyone would fly planes into buildings???? Was that not an obvious lie? there are many more specific lies, but lets start with that one. Or how about "America doesnt torture". And i suppose Gonzales never lied, Cheney never lied, All the press secretaries didnt lie?


Thank you Yetikin for steering the conversation back to the point.

The problem with this thread is some people wish to argue semantics and definitions over substance.

These are the same people who will agree with the republican administration when it makes the claim that America does not torture but then refuses to say if simulated drowning is torture.

I don't know how many Japanese soldiers were executed after WWII for treating American POW's the same way.




1908) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 712347)
Posted 14 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Talk about LIES LIES LIES! I don't believe it for a minute.


Well, you can believe this...you made me laugh. That is funny.
1909) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 712161)
Posted 13 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Stop crying, all I did was point out the bloody obvious.
You seem to be carrying on with the trend.
1910) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 712132)
Posted 13 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Last time I checked every American of and over the age of 18, and without a felony conviction, had the right to vote, not just "the corporatists and the investor class elites".

Just another example of your anti-American propaganda and lies.


Believing corporatists and investor class elites wield too much power is anti-American???

You do know that there are corporations and elites elsewhere in the world too don't you?

I think we may have one or two here in Canada.
Oh no, now I'm anti-Canadian too.




1911) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 712130)
Posted 13 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
If that's so, wouldn't that make you an idiot (based on your first statement)?



So Qui-Gon, you think everyone else is resorting to name calling.
Yet, going back to the begining of this thread I find the first instance of name calling comes from...YOU!

Do not set standards for others that you cannot live up to yourself.

I believe you'll find more animosity coming from yourself and that other guy than from those who are not defending Bush, so there's no need to squeak about how harshly you are being treated.

Your little "poor me" thing doesn't hold water.
1912) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 711940)
Posted 13 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


You have no evidence for these positions, just an unhealthy hatred for Bush/America/democracy. Your bias is painfully obvious, and pathetic.


I will only say this one time you grotty little man.

Yes, I hate George Bush. Any sentient being does.

I do not hate America...or Americans.

I do not hate democracy, rather I strive toward strengthening democracy and getting the power back into the hands of the people rather than the corporatists and the investor class elites.

The voices of the people are what should be heard and ONLY through a true and functioning democracy can this be reality.

Stop laying your crap on my doorstep loser and go sit in the corner by yourself and drink some more.
1913) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! IV - Closed (Message 711934)
Posted 13 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Norman's first attempt at creating a man/machine cyborg terminator to rule the world ended up with him having to go through life wearing long sleeves.
1914) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Music vids of old..........aka the 'old farts' music video thread.... (Message 711723)
Posted 12 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Trini Lopez...If I Had A Hammer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyTO5vcFWuw

I'm having way too much fun finding these old classics.
1915) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Music vids of old..........aka the 'old farts' music video thread.... (Message 711695)
Posted 12 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Joe Cocker...Cry Me A River

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMwXPueu-RM
1916) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Music vids of old..........aka the 'old farts' music video thread.... (Message 711691)
Posted 12 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Jose Feliciano...Light my Fire

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C45mye89Kgs

1917) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Music vids of old..........aka the 'old farts' music video thread.... (Message 711681)
Posted 12 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The Zombies...Tell Her No

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-kM0TQN4Kk
1918) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Music vids of old..........aka the 'old farts' music video thread.... (Message 711679)
Posted 12 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The Monkees...What am I Doing Hangin' Round

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JAELBIX5vc

C'mon now, we all liked them back then. (I still do)
1919) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Who wants to go into space? (Message 711671)
Posted 12 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Flying is my phobia...but I think I could put it aside for some orbital time.
1920) Message boards : Cafe SETI : 'Jaws' actor Roy Scheider dies (Message 711669)
Posted 12 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The film I enjoyed the most was 'Scorcerer' about 30 years ago.

Rest easy Roy
1921) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 711666)
Posted 12 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Millions of Iraqis defied a surge of bombings and suicide attacks yesterday to go to the polls in greater than expected numbers for the first democratic elections for 50 years. The electoral commission's provisional estimate of turnout was 57%.



In the naive belief that it would hasten the departure of the occupation force.

It's a vicious circle.
The Americans say they won't leave until there is peace in Iraq and the pissed off Iraqis won't stop the bombings until the Americans leave.

I'm of the opinion that even if every Iraqi withheld their impulse to strike back at an invading army in an effort to prove that they can live nonviolently, mystery bombs would still go off forcing the American army to remain.

All in the name of peace and democracy, of course.



1922) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 711479)
Posted 12 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
How many Palistinians would disagree?
1923) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 711473)
Posted 12 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Are you seriously contending that mere months after the fall of Saddam that fair elections were possible? The first free elections in Iraq in decades were held as soon as they could be held safely and fairly.


You are very correct in your insightful statement Qui-Gon.

As was proven by the US government, free elections were indeed NOT possible.

And they still aren't.



1924) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Music vids of old..........aka the 'old farts' music video thread.... (Message 711286)
Posted 11 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Eric Burdon and the Animals...San Francisco Nights

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjh9D7BgMFQ
1925) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Music vids of old..........aka the 'old farts' music video thread.... (Message 711284)
Posted 11 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Scott McKenzie...San Francisco

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKWiwfOhI6U
1926) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Music vids of old..........aka the 'old farts' music video thread.... (Message 711281)
Posted 11 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Percy Sledge...When a Man Loves a Woman

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u_OnVhh82E

They had to know, right there in the studio, that this was going to be a monster song.
1927) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Music vids of old..........aka the 'old farts' music video thread.... (Message 711274)
Posted 11 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Bob Dylan...Masters of War

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCveo3IQoPw

I put this song right up there with Bruce Cockburn's song
'If I Had A Rocket Launcher' which isn't really old enough to qualify for this thread but you can find it on youtube easily enough.

The anger in these two songs expresses the frustration of watching the world go to hell on a greased rail.
1928) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Music vids of old..........aka the 'old farts' music video thread.... (Message 711060)
Posted 11 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Jim Croce...These Dreams

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZsusLw0XgM

Finding all of these old songs is going to make me dig out my vinyl from under the stairs.
1929) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Music vids of old..........aka the 'old farts' music video thread.... (Message 711057)
Posted 11 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Neil Young...Old Man

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hq0tAoO3-xQ
1930) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Music vids of old..........aka the 'old farts' music video thread.... (Message 711016)
Posted 11 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The Troggs...Love Is All Around

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EXRPxC-5bE

Did anyone else have the tinfoil walls with the black lights and groovy posters?
LOL....what a trip.
1931) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Music vids of old..........aka the 'old farts' music video thread.... (Message 711010)
Posted 11 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Arlo Guthrie...Strangest Dream

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysH6-KJSy4M
1932) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Music vids of old..........aka the 'old farts' music video thread.... (Message 710969)
Posted 11 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Who can forget
Red Rubber Ball by The Cyrkle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX30-Hpoz2Q&NR=1
1933) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Music vids of old..........aka the 'old farts' music video thread.... (Message 710958)
Posted 11 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
One of the lowest budget videos ever made but a nice little song...
Kyu Sakamoto

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVIddibrWAM
1934) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! IV - Closed (Message 710817)
Posted 10 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
A PM was sent to notify Sir William.
Maybe he's gone for the weekend and we'll hear from him Monday.
Anyway, this is as good as a bump.
1935) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 710816)
Posted 10 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:




You might want to look back at the beginnings of Nazi Germany for a start to see what happens in the beginnings of a fascist state.

In fact..try looking at the similarities between totalitarian states across the world today and the direction the US is currently going in.


Excellent thought

Thanks to Naomi Wolf, we have a template to work from.
Here are the ten steps to a fascist state.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2064157,00.html

Funny
Two things I would have considered beyond the scope of reason...and both happened in this forum.

I found myself arguing with some other members of the free democratic west about whether torture is OK.

Then I found myself in here arguing with some of the same people about their loss of freedom and liberty, WHILE THEY DEFEND THE LOSS!

John Lennon "Nobody told me there'd be days like these"
1936) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 710620)
Posted 10 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
PS: If what you both claim is the truth...why is the republican administration seeking immunity for phone companies that did their bidding and tapped phones?
1937) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 710619)
Posted 10 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The land of the free has become the land of the compliant.

Offer up your rumps to whomever is in power.

What a couple of sad sacks.
1938) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 710598)
Posted 10 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Let's address the most common misconception first... Your alleged right to private phone conversations. Guess what, you don't own the phone company's property, you rent the right to use their technology on a monthly basis and they have the right to do with their property, technology, data, records etc as they wish just as you do with your home, car, movie collection, etc, etc, etc.

So again I ask, exactly what rights have you been forced to give up?


Wow are you put to lunch on that statement.
The phone company cannot listen in on your calls just because they own the plant.
Every instance of tapping or eavesdropping must be accompanied by a court order and a warrant.

How easily you give away your right to privacy. Doesn't it disturb you that under the Patriot act, everything you say on the phone or type online is subject to scrutiny by some paranoid neo-con follower?

Doesn't it trouble you that they can enter your home and perform a search without a warrant and never inform you that you've been suspected of something?

They even want to see what books you check out of the library!

These are the actions of a government that fears it's own people, not a free and open democracy where dissent and questions are expected from free citizens.

Drink that Kool-aid NOW!


1939) Message boards : Politics : What the heck is up in Berkeley?! (Message 710575)
Posted 10 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

The great thing about being a "have" rather than a "have not" is you DO get to decide what organizations you provide aid to, and those who support terrorism, like Hamas, are not on the list.


The condition for aid was democratic elections had to be held. period.

One of the problems with democracy is sometimes the elites don't get what they want.

Apparently, the way to make up for that is to starve the peasants into submission.





1940) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 710493)
Posted 9 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Diverting from the topic, using people with Down's Syndrom as suicide bombers, again, are we?


If this story is true, the people who did this are filth and cowards.

Of course, the republicans are not above telling a little lie or two to get public opinion onside with them.
Remember the story about Iraqi soldiers taking babies out of incubaters and killing them in Kuwait?

Turns out the sweet little teary eyed girl who said she witnessed it while telling the story to the cameras was the daughter of the Kuwaiti ammbassador to the US and was in the US all through the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait.

The story was invented by the public relations firm hired by the Kuwaiti government to get Americans angered at Iraq.

Ever feel manipulated????
1941) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 710441)
Posted 9 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Tut tut Qui-Gon...so much anger.
1942) Message boards : Politics : What the heck is up in Berkeley?! (Message 710440)
Posted 9 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
So we all agree we love democracy, except when the result is against what we want.
I'm reminded of Bush telling the Palestinians that all aid to their country would be cut off if they didn't hold elections.

Well they held elections and democratically elected Hamas to form the government.

All aid was cut anyway.
Why? Because the republican administration didn't like the result of the election.

It seems the will of the people and the democratic proccess are NOT the priority after all.

You've gotta love these guys lurking behind the veneer of righteousness and democracy for all.
1943) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! IV - Closed (Message 709762)
Posted 8 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Whereas there has been a 12 hour gap in submissions I must assume it's all in.

Second runner up is purplemkayel who made me laugh.

First runner up is Blurf who I agreed with.

The winner is an unlikely non-entry with his play on words...

I think I'll sit this one out, their magnetism repels me

KWSN-Sir William
The Flagrantly Verbose claims first prize by trying to cleverly avoid the freaky people while still posting on topic.

Apologies to all, but this photo made me laugh.
1944) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 709757)
Posted 8 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:






Again, you seem to be having difficulty understanding the English language. Earlier you did not know the meaning of the word "lie"; now, you seem to be having some trouble understanding the phrase "is consistent with".

The paragraph you have quoted is from a letter to Congress from the President in a dialogue about Public Law 107-243, the Congressional Authorization for War. The president said in this paragraph that he believes such authorization is consistent with heightened security actions by the United States and other countries that are necessary in the wake of 911. It does not say that Saddam was involved in 911. It does not say that Saddam is a terrorist.

You left out the introductory paragraph of the letter which says: "Consistent with section 3(b) of the Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002 (Public Law 107-243), and based on information available to me, including that in the enclosed document, I determine that:" (highlight added). Again, there are plenty of reasons to believe that Saddam was a threat to American Security even if there were no WMD, as I have outlined for you in some detail. I also pointed out that Saddam's violations of the cease-fire were not going to be tolerated by the United States after 911, simply because we could no longer afford to ignore any security concerns.

But, you have already rejected my response as "spin". Your failure to properly understand the words that you cited seems to be nothing more than a frenetic attempt to grasp at anything which supports your point of view even when, as here, the material does no such thing.

It is interesting that you never mentioned the purpose of Public Law 107-243 (Congressional authorization for war). Could that be because Congressional authorization, pursuant to the Constitution of the United States, flies in the face of a claim that this war is illegal?


I laughed because you accuse me of not mentioning the purpose of 107-143.
I'm not an Ambulance Chaser (lawyer) or a Whiplash Willy (another lawyer) yet you want me to explain law in this forum.

I laughed because you say I left out article 1 when I posted a link to the letter so felt no need to duplicate it in my post.
I type with two fingers and there's no way I was typing the entire letter AND posting a link.

I laughed because you keep relying on definitions of the word "lie" and now the phrase "is consistant with" to try and convince me that Bush is not a damned liar.

What's it like to live in fear of the world's pissant dictators? You seem to feel there's a grave and present danger lurking behind every corner in these small, and very easy to invade countries yet when the Chinese threaten a nuclear attack you don't even blink an eye or break a sweat.

China has a horrific human rights record and have been the only nation to actually openly and emphatically threaten America with nukes since the fall of the Soviet Union, so why doesn't Bush send in the Marines to take on the Big Dog instead of the weak puppies?

The fact that the Chinese did this with no reaction from your president is very interesting and informative to anyone thinking Bush gives a damn about any of you.
1945) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 709583)
Posted 8 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I didn't start this thread to talk about the lies of Saddam, and I'm not defending the idiot.

I wanted to point out The Center for Public Integrity's report on it's finding that Bush's administration lied to the American public 935 times in the two year lead up to the invasion of Iraq.

I'd be happy to join you all in kicking Saddam's lifeless corpse around in the streets because he was a pig, but that's not the topic of this thread.

By linking Iraq, Al-Qeada and Sept 11 together in so many speeches, the republican administration made the American people believe that Saddam was responsible.

These guys can defend Bush till they're blue in the face, it won't change the fact that he lied.

And I'm sorry for saying this, but I have a higher expectation of the leader of the free world than I do of someone like Saddam.

Bush lied.


1946) Message boards : Politics : What the heck is up in Berkeley?! (Message 709558)
Posted 8 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
This is a democratically elected council put in office to speak for the citizens of Berkeley.

If they have made the wrong decision, the voters will inform them next election.

Isn't democracy one of the big reasons for all the warfare or is democracy only allowed to be practiced by those with "the right" point of view?
1947) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 709542)
Posted 8 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
LOL
1948) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! IV - Closed (Message 709524)
Posted 8 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Hey now
These guys are wearing more than a Sumo wrestler so don't get all weird on me.
1949) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 709522)
Posted 8 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
And once again, we are derailed... ;)


We're back on track Jeffrey.
1950) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 709520)
Posted 8 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Qui-Gon

You asked for proof from a site you trust and acknowledge as legitimate.

It took some digging, but I found an item that you can't argue against.

It comes from The White House site.

It's George Bush's letter to congress dated March 18, 2003.

It explains his intent toward Iraq and the legislation he claims backs up his position.

Allow me to quote article 2 of the letter.

"2) acting pursuant to the Constitution and Public Law 107-243 is consistant with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations,organizations,or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001."

I found the proof of Bush's lying in his own writings to your House of Congress.

Let's see you spin this one to fit your view of events.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030319-1.html
1951) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! IV - Closed (Message 709349)
Posted 7 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


There are some strange photos out there...Let's see what you've got for this one.

PS: Thank you MM
1952) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! IV - Closed (Message 709313)
Posted 7 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Cheese Shmeese! One more wall and I'm outta here!
1953) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 709172)
Posted 7 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I am critical of American government foreign policies.
America itself, and the vast majority of it's people are not the problem.

What other country in the world has such opportunity and potential for a true example to the world of how things could be.
The problem is that the people have allowed corporate interests to overide the needs and asperations of their own.

So once again, critical of American government policies, not critical of the American people. Got that? Good.

Before you jump all over me, I acknowledge that the same thing has started to happen here in Canada where the corporate media seems to be controlling what we see and hear with a slant that favours the interests of business and the investor class.
Thankfully, we still have a nation wide public radio system (CBC) which is independant of direct government control and carries no advertizing.
A lot of the programming is just filler but the CBC also carries news and interviews which are not heard on commercial radio which expose many of the stories that the corporations don't want us to know.

CBC also runs international news and opinion overnight in hourly segments from various places around the globe.
We get to hear news from Poland, Africa, Australia and others.
The rest of the world does have opinons and angles on the events we are interested in that differ from what we are told by our elites.


1954) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 708833)
Posted 6 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Words mean things. A 'lie' means communication with intent to deceive.



So Scary, your line of reasoning is to define the word "lie" then go on to describe those you disagree with as liars?

I disagree with the closing line of your post.
1955) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 708827)
Posted 6 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thanks Franz

Agreement in 5/6 isn't too bad at all.

I heard on the radio last week that if the US were to build 250 thousand wind generation plants, they would eliminate the need for coal, oil/gas, bio-mass and nuclear power generators.
We in Canada have approx. 1/10th the population of the States so our needs could be covered by 25 thousand wind powered plants.

At the very least, by investing in these, we'd eliminate the emissions from such plants and the dangers of spent nuclear waste leaving us with clean energy from a very renewable source.

I tend to believe that we have created the problem of global warming and I would prefer that we err on the side that says reduce emissions.

If those warning us about the issue are wrong, and we build the plants anyway, we end up with cleaner air to breath, no nuclear waste and our oil lasts longer.
If they're right, and we do nothing about it...well, we all know the predictions.
1956) Message boards : Politics : If Obama becomes President... (Message 708819)
Posted 6 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

I missed that but like it...So maybe he does understand the importance of winning in Afganistan?


hiamps...I think the main problem when going into another country to sort out their internal difficulties is that most of the population resents it.

This isn't a country with a long and proud history of democratic rule and no amount of bombing, shooting and arrests is going to change that.

Democracy cannot be imposed from outside, it must be the overwhelming desire of the citizens.

Stepping in to kill off a few warlords only creates opportunities for others to fill the void.

For every "terrorist" or "freedom fighter" arrested or killed, half a dozen more are created out of anger at the action.

It's a no win situation and eventually foreign troops will have to admit that and leave...while claiming victory of course.

I hope Obama or Clinton can communicate this when one of them reaches office.


1957) Message boards : Politics : If Obama becomes President... (Message 708697)
Posted 6 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Sharpton and Jackson will not be factors in an Obama White House.

I think you'll see business as usual, with a slightly less colonialist attitude.

If you're dirt poor now, don't start thinking you'll be moving up to the big house.
1958) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 708695)
Posted 6 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
When in England at a fairly large conference, Colin
Powell was asked by the Archbishop of Canterbury if
our plans for Iraq were just an example of 'empire
building' by George Bush. He answered by saying,
"Over the years, the United States has sent many of
its fine young men and women into great peril to
fight for freedom beyond our borders. The only
amount of land we have ever asked for in return is
enough to bury those that did not return."


Tom, the investor class isn't interested in land. They want the resources and infrastructure.

1959) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! III (Message 708476)
Posted 5 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Run Forrest Run!
1960) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 708475)
Posted 5 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


And you see calling your Prime Minister a lapdog as being equal to the criticism you've brought forth against my country? I refer you to my double standard comment.


Oh the things I do to satisfy you.

Stephen Harper, the Prime Minister of Canada, in my opinion is all of the following:

Fool...He wanted Canada to be involved in the original Iraqi invasion.

Coward...He lets Bush set the agenda.

Idiot...For involving Canada in the SPP agreement talks.

Traitor...For embracing globalization.

Lapdog to Bush...For not turning off the southbound electricity and oil/gas pipelines during the softwood lumber fiasco.

Lacking vision...For abandoning Canada's legal committment to the Kyoto Accords.

Got any more you want me to add?
The reason I don't bring these up is because no one wants to talk about Canadian politics in a SETI forum thread about the lies told by a sitting US president.

(Here come the right wing wingnuts, we have them here too.)

Might I suggest to any Canadians angry at this, please start another thread to spit at me so this one can try to get back on topic. If you've been here for any length of time, you'll know that I won't avoid you.

The person with the gaping mouth avatar has a talent for derailing threads.













1961) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 708471)
Posted 5 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


The very First Amendment of our Constitution separates church and state and no amount of stupidity on your part will ever change that.


Really?
That's what the US constitution says but it seems that every candidate for president must pass the "God" test to get elected.

Hell, your present leader is one of the biggest rapture kooks around.

Yup Yup They're all gonna fly up through the sky to heaven real soon, leaving us heathen non-believers behind.

You can't really believe that quaint children's story about the separation of church and state and that it actually holds true? C'mon man.

Now that I think about it. Bush probably isn't very religious at all, rather, he's embraced the fascade of piety knowing it was necessary if he wanted to run for office.
He's lied about so many other important issues, why not lie about talking to God too?




1962) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 708379)
Posted 5 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


I won't apologize for condemning criminals who follow a faith that preaches murder of those who think differently.



Of course you can't apologize, or you'd be forced to apply that same principle toward this republican administration.
1963) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 708374)
Posted 5 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


If I disagree with that basic premise then I must be unamerican. (insert raspberry noise here)


Actually your country of origin and failure to apply for citizenship make you unAmerican.

Your continued criticism of our country coupled with your your refusal to be critical of the actions of your own country make you nothing more than a hypocrite.

No one here approves of terrorism or wants war, but most of us realize the middle east has been at war with western culture for well over 30 years now, and I for one am happy that my country AS WELL AS YOURS is there doing something about it!


I am very critical of my own government.
I send letters to my Member of Parliament and Prime Minister quite often to express my views and opposition to the directions they take.

I also see our present Prime Minister as nothing more than a lapdog to your president and his corporate overlords.

PS: Why in hell would I be applying for American citizenship?
Canada is the country of my birth.
I grew up in Canada.
I live in Canada.
I work in Canada.
I raise my kids as Canadians.
I AM Canadian.
(another raspberry)


Big difference between allegedly expressing your views in a private letter and calling my President a liar on a public forum. Of course, double standards are the norm for liberal scumbags....it's why you're scumbags.

BTW, you're the one making up BS excuses for being unAmerican. I merely pointed out that your political views have nothing to do with it...


You're always good for a laugh before I head to work.

Did I not state in the post that you quoted above that my own Prime Minister is a lapdog?
And is this not a public forum? What more can I do?

Every neo-con in office is a knob. Every neo-con who supports them is a fool.
Every neo-con who controls the two groups is very wealthy. What a country.
1964) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 707958)
Posted 4 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


If I disagree with that basic premise then I must be unamerican. (insert raspberry noise here)


Actually your country of origin and failure to apply for citizenship make you unAmerican.

Your continued criticism of our country coupled with your your refusal to be critical of the actions of your own country make you nothing more than a hypocrite.

No one here approves of terrorism or wants war, but most of us realize the middle east has been at war with western culture for well over 30 years now, and I for one am happy that my country AS WELL AS YOURS is there doing something about it!


I am very critical of my own government.
I send letters to my Member of Parliament and Prime Minister quite often to express my views and opposition to the directions they take.

I also see our present Prime Minister as nothing more than a lapdog to your president and his corporate overlords.

PS: Why in hell would I be applying for American citizenship?
Canada is the country of my birth.
I grew up in Canada.
I live in Canada.
I work in Canada.
I raise my kids as Canadians.
I AM Canadian.
(another raspberry)
1965) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 707828)
Posted 3 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
This is a thread about the LIES told by your president and his administration composed of members of the living dead and all that is evil in this world.

If you wish to discuss other topics, please start another thread.
I'll be happy to join in and spout off.

A suggested title for your thread could be "America owns the world and does what it wants to whom it wants and when it wants".

If I disagree with that basic premise then I must be unamerican. (insert raspberry noise here)

PS: The Clintons are not heroes by any stretch. They are chameleons.
1966) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 707798)
Posted 3 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Yes, robert did imply that he was a street fighter. I guess you missed that. How convenient for you.

And I do believe calling my President and Vice President liar's is an insult to my country and thus an insult to me.



No implications involved. I'm saying out loud that the ones taking the hardest line and talking the most about war, death and destruction are wankers who never did it themselves.
They hid in National Guard units or received deferments to avoid doing the very thing they now send young men and women to do now.

George Bush spent the Vietnam era in the National Guard and Dickie Cheney got a deferment 5 times.
The best one is Rush Limbaugh getting a deferment for a boil on his ass. (I haven't fact checked this but I like it)

If you voted for those boneheads and are still standing by their actions in this world, then yes I am insulting you.
1967) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 707794)
Posted 3 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


And didn't Canada send troops to Iraq? I guess you put your Prime Minister in jail. No I didn't think so.


OOOO Bad call David

If you would have bothered to read the entries earlier in this thread, or tried to stay current in the affairs of the world and the damage being done by your president's "war on terror" you would already be aware that Canada has no troops in Iraq.

This is a sovereign nation, just as was Iraq, and we don't follow direct orders from the White House.

Oh Oh another reason to target us. LOL


1968) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 707636)
Posted 3 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.chomsky.info/articles/20030811.htm

Preventive War 'the Supreme Crime'
Noam Chomsky Aug 11, 2003

It's only a page long but it packs a whollop. Note that about halfway through he brings up the issue of Saddam+Al-Qeada+Sept11 and the roll propaganda played in the push to war.

If you haven't read Chomsky before, check out some of his other writings.
This is the "liberal" that the neo-cons hate the most, but not one of them will ever dare debate the man.
1969) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 707618)
Posted 3 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Qui-Gon,

I admire your tenacity and perseverance during this thread, but have to realize by now that the people you’re arguing with suffer from a disease. It called liberalism. Their minds are so open their brains have fallen out.

Ahh..it must be cliché time.


No, I just get tired of this liberal crap.

If we were in a room full of people and you have your hand in your pocket, saying that you have a gun and are threatening my family and I take out my gun and kill you did I do anything wrong? I think not.

Saddam did everything in his power to make the world believe he still had WMD, and threaten the world. The world called his bluff now he’s dead.

The person who lied was Saddam

And don't forget France, Russia and China lied as well. They were all taking bribes from Saddam under the oil for food program. Why doesn't Robert mention that??


I've asked the questions before.
If weapons of mass destruction are the criteria for invasion, when can we expect the US to try and move on China, Pakistan, Korea and the others.

You are aware that one of the Chinese generals stated publically that they would rain down fire on American cities if the US became involved in the Taiwan issue.
Seems more a real threat than some idiot in the desert but you guys seem to like your cheap crap from China more than national defense.

Another criteria seems to be developing the knowledge to enrich uranium so I ask again; When can we in Canada expect the invasion? We can enrich uranium like no one's business so we must be a target.

Oh, and don't bother with the insults against a liberal attitude. It doesn't work.
In reality, it makes me smug when tough talkers try that angle because most of them are tiny little pipsqueeks under 200 lbs and have never been in a street fight.

PS: I'm well read but I seem to have failed to see anything about Saddam spouting off about his arsenal of WMD's before Bush made him the target.
More neo-con crap.

1970) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! III (Message 707265)
Posted 2 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:




OK! So I left the worms back in the car. What else can we use for bait?
1971) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 707259)
Posted 2 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


If you need to post items of this sort find a web site in Canada that will agree with you. Regardless of any facts that you suggest from various sources at least we have a President that takes action.


You don't seem concerned about what action to take, all you want is an action.

I suggest that if your action taking president had run naked down Pennsylvania Avenue with lit sparklers in his bum while making noises with his hand under his armpit, it would indeed have been an action.

Would this have pleased all the action seekers or do you think an appropriate action was more in order?
1972) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 707067)
Posted 2 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
When Dittoheads find themselves having to try to explain their stance in a manner needing more than one sentence, they often resort to angry frustrated name calling.

Since we seem to have reached that level and there seems to be nothing further of a constructive nature coming from Qui-Gon, I think I'll not bother arguing with him anymore.
It has become quite apparant that I am in a battle of wits with an unarmed man.

Whenever I come across other sites that support my original post, I'll stick them in here for the information of those able to conceive of other alternatives to the funny little right-wing world they live in.

I'll let Qui-Gon's hero explain it as only he can...

http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/blbushism-harm.htm
1973) Message boards : Politics : Thread closed due to lack of interest. (Message 706972)
Posted 2 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Liberalism

The liberalism thread is down the hall, turn left, go 2 doors, turn right and then go just a little further.


Nope...neoliberalism is located past the Reagan Room, which is the last door on the right. When you reach the extreme end of the hall, turn right again and enter the Milton Friedman hallway of greed, there are no lights or windows so run really fast until you hit the wall. It's a dead end with a pile of skeletons.
1974) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 706949)
Posted 1 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/Default.aspx?src=home&context=overview&id=945

OK Qui-Gon...it appears that you don't read anything offered to you or the claim that I've given no proof wouldn't have been made. Here's the link from my original post. It's active this time, so it should be real easy for you.

You've taken a rather aggressive line of defense in your backing of the war criminal which does not include anything substantial, rather a familiar sounding personal attack with nothing to back it up.
Whatever you think of me doesn't matter one pinch of squat to me.

Why don't you try going through this again before accusing me of offering no evidence of lies.

Oh I forgot...If it doesn't come from the foul mouths of Bill O'reilly or Rush Limbaugh, it isn't true.

If you have any more questions and feel you can ask them in a civil manner, please do so.
1975) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Oooooh and so super secret too! (Message 706814)
Posted 1 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Here's our family secret.

My wife's boobs are on her back.

Ya, it looks funny, but she's fun to dance with.
1976) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 706810)
Posted 1 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3119676.stm

Qui-Gon, here's some more of the rhetoric that he used to link Iraq with Sept 11.
It's all part of the pattern of lies told to you so you'd allow him his war.

Just speaking the words Iraq and Sept 11 together in the same sentence 935 times creates a link in many minds.

Do you still deny the manipulation of public opinion?

Wow! Your lack of analytical skills astounds me!

You just provided a link to a September 2003 BBC article that says the opposite of what you have been claiming: it says that the President expressly denied a link between Saddam and 911. The article has exactly zero statements by the President saying Saddam was involved with 911; no surprise, you also have provided zero such statements. Your "argument" goes: 1) stupid people heard the president mention Saddam and 911 in the same speech, 2) those stupid people claim that this means something different from what the President said, that is, that Saddam caused 911, therefore, 3) Bush lied. Are you one of those stupid people who thinks that the President said something that he did not say?

Earlier, you listed the number one reason for the war being that Iraq was involved in 911. I called you on that claim and asked you to show me such a statement. Your response is citing to an article that states Bush said just the opposite, then tries to backtrack by quoting statements that clearly do not say Saddam was involved in 911. So, your statement about Saddam's involvement in 911 being a cause of the war is wrong. The only question now is whether, unknown to you, your information was faulty or you knew it was wrong and so you were lying.


You act as if you have gained some advantage in position here.

I read the article and posted it to show the way Bush linked the attacks of Sept 11 to Iraq in his speeches.
How did the majority of Americans come to believe Saddam did the deed?
Did they all come to the wrong conclusion at the same time while their president was telling them there was no connection? No.
The deliberate combinations of phrases and words used by Bush had it's intended effect.
It gave him the go ahead to launch the invasion because he carefully combined two seperate issues into one in the minds of many.

The original issue to discuss in this thread was the lies about WMD's and links to Al-Qaeda.
935 seperate times a lie was told by the Bush administration leading up to the war and he is now carrying on the lies with his positioning on Iran.

Everything in the site I posted a link to is smoke and mirrors to whip the country into a frenzy of revenge seeking anger.
1977) Message boards : Politics : Saddam admitted he miscalculated ... (Message 706805)
Posted 1 Feb 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
In spite of the Reagan administration's publically stated policy of neutrality in the Iran/Iraq war, arms sales were brisk to both sides.

Definition of neutrality: Treating all sides equally by-

    1. Not dealing/interacting with any participant.
    2. Dealing with all participants the same way, either by-
    2a. Acting as if a war wasn't happening (Pre-war behavior; The Switzerland Route).
    2b. Supplying both sides equally for war.



I believe that "arms sales... to both sides" fits under 2b, while you seem to be implying point 1.



Point made and taken.
1978) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 706347)
Posted 31 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3119676.stm

Qui-Gon, here's some more of the rhetoric that he used to link Iraq with Sept 11.
It's all part of the pattern of lies told to you so you'd allow him his war.

Just speaking the words Iraq and Sept 11 together in the same sentence 935 times creates a link in many minds.

Do you still deny the manipulation of public opinion?
1979) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 706337)
Posted 31 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
[quote]

It would be as if those of us here in the United States were constantly being at odds and/or openly fighting people in England. quote]



Well, ya, you have fought England...and Canada and Mexico and France and Germany and Japan and Morocco and Korea and Vietnam and Panama and...well you know, oh ya..you even fought yourselves.

All is not rosey in your own backyard so maybe there's a lesson in this somewhere for those who believe that America is the true defender of justice and truth and all things good.

I'm not dumping on the American public, you're the same as us, but I am pissed at the direction your government has gone without your approval or knowledge...or permission.
1980) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 706282)
Posted 31 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I went back to read the link again and I fail to see how it supports your case.

Bush speaks of all the various WMD's Iraq has or is building and this flies in the face of all documentation from the US and UN weapons inspectors.

If you think he isn't linking the attacks of Sept 11 with Iraq in this speech, I suggest you reread it.
1981) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 706259)
Posted 31 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
As an aside, with benefit of hindsight, I don't think it's been mentioned in this thread that if Saddam had cooperated completely with weapons inspections, and nothing was found, then the country would have been placed irrevocably in peril from its militant neighbors and internal factions.

If I were in that position I certainly would have tried to keep the international community guessing. In fact I'd feel it my utmost responsibility to mess around with the inspectors, and do everything possible to keep the illusion of power. A bit hard when your entire tank and air forces have been quite publicly hosed.

Now naturally, a reasonable dictator grasping at straws might call up Mr Bush and discuss the situation... something like "Look Mr Bush, allowing these inspections is going to make me vulnerable to my neighnours ... how about we agree to some sort of protective arrangement" ....

But no, neither leader's pride or beliefs would see such a conversation ever take place.

So in my opinion, unless Mr Bush received some highly improbable phone calls that noone's mentioning, then he believed the intelligence, seeded by Saddam himself, just like the rest of us. That's not lying, that's being duped.


jason, this angle makes sense until we add the weapons inspectors into the mix.
Saddam could have boasted about having any weapons conceivable and in any numbers he chose.
The inspectors found nothing.
The American administration knew that Saddam had possessed nerve and bio weapons because they sold them to him.
The problem for the American argument is that the weapons had expired. These kinds of weapons have a short shelf life.
Whatever Saddam hadn't used against the Iranians and Kurds had long since lost it's ability to kill anyone.

The weapons inspectors found residues and old containers, but nothing viable or useable in any way.

Yes. Saddam would have been seen as naked and unable to defend himself after the final report came in but that was going to happen whether he stood in defiance to the American deadlines or not.
1982) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 706255)
Posted 31 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
We seem to be heading back to dictionary definitions again.

Qui-Gon, did you look at my evidence at all or are you going to stay the course?

To be well informed, one must seek alternative means of information and news. To limit your exposure to the sites and news providers that reflect what you already believe is to be propagandized and manipulated.

I say that your president is a war criminal, no different than Hitler invading Poland with nothing to support his actions but lies.

You believe that your president was mislead by bad intelligence.

I've provided a source supporting my claim and if you need more, well there's plenty of sites that also confirm the facts.
1983) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 706132)
Posted 31 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:



That's very clever of you, providing a link to a radical leftist website known for its lack of fairness toward any conservative politician, policy or position. There is a huge amount of information at the Mother Goose site, and I am sure that some of it is accurate and properly documented, but much of it is also speculation and conjecture. I am sure that you are aware no one who reads or contributes to this thread could possibly respond to all the crap there, and no one would read such a lengthy rebuttal anyway. On the other hand, if I were to give examples of the clear bias exhibited by that site, you would either say I "cherry-picked" blatant errors, or claim my opinion was wrong and yours (theirs) was right, so it makes no sense to do that either.

It's a very clever ploy on your part, but I'm not falling for your claim that Mother Goose shows the intelligence was bad or forced, or that the war was somehow pre-ordained by the administration, since the website is clearly not authoritative. The so-called history recounted at that site is selective and slanted, as you have shown yourself to be.


You challenge my integrity. I haven't read every month of every year in the Mother Jones timeline that I offered as evidence but if you can find a single entry that's untrue please do so now.





1984) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 705868)
Posted 30 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Sorry to plagiarize you Jeffrey...the term must have become stuck in my head.
1985) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 705737)
Posted 30 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.motherjones.com/bush_war_timeline/

This is a link to the Mother Jones site with a chronology of the lies.

Qui-Gon...If you start at Sept 2001 you'll find Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld looking for excuses to invade Iraq immediately after the attacks and before the evidence has collected.

There's no wiggle room or plausible deniability involved. There was no mistake based on bad intelligence.
1986) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 705340)
Posted 28 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Now Now Jeffrey
Invasions are not good for anyone
1987) Message boards : Politics : How do you fix this cesspool of lies and profit? (Message 705339)
Posted 28 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Oh please please please tell me who, exactly, that electable candidate is???

And don't try to tell me it's Hillary.




I am Canadian.

If I were given a choice, I'd be happy to see Ralph Nader elected, but if I have to choose from this batch I choose Edwards.

I also see no substantive differences between the two parties controlling your country.
The best description I can offer is Far Right vs Light Right.
1988) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 705165)
Posted 28 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
BOTTOM LINE........NOT TO FURTHER YOUR DISPUTES IN THIS THREAD
I PERSONNALLY WOULD RATHER HAVE OUR TROOPS IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN
KILLING TERRORISTS, THAN HAVE THE TERRORISTS HERE KILLING US.
YOU MUST REMEMBER THAT LESS THAN 28% OF ELIGIBLE VOTERS VOTED FOR BUSH
IN THE LAST ELECTION. IF YOU WANT TO PLACE THE BLAME FOR THE CURRENT
SITUATION, BLAME JOE & JANE CITIZEN FOR NOT VOTING.



kaseychief, the Sept 11 attacks were performed by Saudis.
Bin Laden wanted American bases out of Saudi Arabia and Bush quietly did that.
Old Bin boy got what he wanted and I suspect there will be no further actions by him in spite of some grainy and somewhat dubious video releases.

Any acts of terror in future will probably be due to our involvement in countries with no connections to the original attacks in New York and Washington.
I say our involvement because there are Canadian troops fighting in Afghanistan.
Thankfully, Prime Minister Chretien stood against the pressure to send Canadians into Iraq.

What would you do if some foreigners invaded your country?
Would you, as a citizen simply accept the occupation or would you fight back with every method and means at your disposal?

In the eyes of the occupation force, any citizen fighting back against them would be a terrorist. It has to work both ways when you call people terrorists.
1989) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 705164)
Posted 28 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


I'm still waiting on my shipment of Iraq oil. Haven't seen hide nor hair of it.


It's being left in the ground until the Alberta tarsands are depleted.
But don't worry, oil profits are still growing.
1990) Message boards : Cafe SETI : When You Were Young. (Message 704928)
Posted 27 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Riding my 3 speed stick-shift StingRay bike.


Oh my GOD...

I so remember wanting one of those... Spent 6 months trying to get the parents to get me one for christmas... Ended up with a 'Western Hardware' junk-bike with a banana seat that fell apart within 5 months. You were one of those kids I envied. :)


It was red with a metal flake red banana seat and a pad on the high sissybar.
The frame was 4" longer than most so wheelies were difficult and the extra high ape-hanger handlebars made steering difficult.
I loved it.

I spent almost an entire summer mowing lawns in the neighborhood to earn the $45 price tag.

1991) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! III (Message 704875)
Posted 27 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:




Young Ronald's love of opera wasn't shared by the rest of his family, but in any good family a compromise can always be found.
1992) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 704832)
Posted 27 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
This is not true. If you insist it is, then give proof. If you have no proof, then you are lying.

hmm... ;)

That's right Jeffrey. Bush did have proof of what he said about WMD. It came from the intelligence services who are supposed to give him that kind of reliable information. In this case they were wrong, but that does not make his claim a lie, it makes it a mistake.


Then Bush should apologize to the world and surrender himself to the Hague to face justice.

Of course, these would be the actions of an honourable man and this nose picking cartoon of a man certainly isn`t that.
1993) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 704829)
Posted 27 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
This is not true. If you insist it is, then give proof. If you have no proof, then you are lying.

hmm... ;)

That's right Jeffrey. Bush did have proof of what he said about WMD. It came from the intelligence services who are supposed to give him that kind of reliable information. In this case they were wrong, but that does not make his claim a lie, it makes it a mistake.


Qui-Gon, if you choose to believe that the administration didn't pressure the CIA into submitting false, or at best, enhanced intelligence to be used in the road to war, well, that's up to you.
The facts have been shown to be the opposite of the Republican administration`s claims and the whole world knows it.

I also find it almost inconceivable that virtually every high ranking official in your government is a liar and a profiteer.

The truth is that they are.
1994) Message boards : Cafe SETI : When You Were Young. (Message 704824)
Posted 27 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Riding my 3 speed stick-shift StingRat bike.
Road hockey
Kick the Can
Sitting in neighborhood trees eating peaches, cherries, plums and pears.
1995) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Satellite to hit Earth (Message 704821)
Posted 27 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Great!
More plutonium raining down on us.
1996) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! III (Message 704819)
Posted 27 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Well, I thought wearing a foil hat would look kind of silly...


purplemkayel takes the prize with this caption.
Congrats and it's your turn to post another photo.

Honourable mentions go to Red Atomic in second place.
1997) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 704646)
Posted 27 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/international/jan-june04/blix_3-17.html

This is a link to a written transcript of a Jim Lehrer interview with UN weapons inspector Hans Blix.

I'm sorry, but I find no information about treaty violations as part of the reasoning for invading Iraq.

I'd be happy to read anything you can provide us Qui-Gon.

PS: Can anyone tell me how to make these links active?
1998) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 704641)
Posted 26 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Weapons inspectors were in Iraq until a day or two before the start of hostilities.
Iraq was not violating anything other than squatting over top of Bush's friend's oil fields and being strategically placed to position military bases within easy reach of all Asia.

The Bush administration has been lecturing the American people about Iran's desire to produce an atomic weapon and their support of terrorist groups, just like the speeches on Iraq.

Were I an Iranian citizen, I'd be running for the hills.

Were I the Iranian Minister of Defence, I'd be weighing options in case the American president stepped up his war talk.

If the war talk escalates I see no option for Iran other than a first strike because it'll be the only strike they'll get before being overwhelmed.

Don't lay all that after the fact mumbo jumbo about Iraq violating any treaties on us either.
The day Bush was sworn in he started making plans to invade Iraq.
Sept 11 was simply a good excuse in his mind, nothing else.

Reason 1 for invading
Iraqi involvement in Sept 11
Reason 2
Nuclear program
Reason 3
WMD's
Reason 4
Saddam kills his own people
Reason 5
Spread democracy

Gimme a break
1999) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 704582)
Posted 26 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
So, after listening to the American president and his rhetoric leading up to the invasion of Iraq, is the nation of Iran which is now facing the very same doubts and allegations from the US justified in any way if it feels the need to pre-emptively strike the US?

Would the world's opinion be that such a pre-emptive strike is an act of terror or an act of self defence?

You can't claim such an attack is unprovoked because the same story line was used before Iraq was invaded, therefore Iran can only conclude that an attack upon them is inevitable.
2000) Message boards : Politics : Fun with government rebates (Message 704504)
Posted 26 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Weren't the tax cuts for the wealthy supposed to boost the economy?

Has Bush finally been forced to admit (even though this rebate check is just peanuts <no slight against Peanuts intended>) that more money in the hands of the masses is better for the economy than concentrating more in the hands of the wealthy?

A wealthy person receiving $10 million dollars simply drops it into their existing investment portfolios....They already have everything they need so the money simply makes them more bulletproof.

OR

$10 million divided amongst 5,000 working people. Each individual receives $2,000 which will immediately be put to work in the economy by way of paying off some debt or purchacing housegoods, electronics, beer, smokes and whatever else working people consume regularily.
The money stays active, not hidden away as an investment.
2001) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! III (Message 704482)
Posted 26 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'll be deciding this evening after my son's swim club is over, so get those captions in today folks.
2002) Message boards : Politics : Saddam admitted he miscalculated ... (Message 704479)
Posted 26 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Secretary Albright planning demise of Israel obviously,



Or it might be interpreted as another secretary meeting someone because you have to.


You can interpret it any way you want, but Rumsfeld was there doing "business as usual"

In spite of the Reagan administration's publically stated policy of neutrality in the Iran/Iraq war, arms sales were brisk to both sides.
2003) Message boards : Politics : How do you fix this cesspool of lies and profit? (Message 704475)
Posted 26 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Corporations who take jobs out of the country should not be able to sell their product in this country. Ain't I a Patriot?


Tariffs, trade and tax restrictions are what created a secure working class in Canada and the US.

The wealthy had no reason to seek higher levels of income under a progressive tax sysytem which increased in percentage as income increased.
With the removal of the progressive taxation came unrestricted greed and the incentive to stop at nothing, including the betrayal of Canadian and American working people in the drive to obtain more and more.

We, as working people, need to stop voting against our own interests and we need to start electing people to government that will do our bidding.

To hell with the interests of corporations and the investor class, let's start taking care of our own.
2004) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 704470)
Posted 26 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


I wonder how any nation would react when hearing the American president speak of invading them? Especially after the rhetoric leading up to the actual invasion of Iraq.

Would they be justified in attempting a pre-emptive strike of their own?

Would such a pre-emptive strike, in the face of Bush's actions these past years, be considered by the world to be an act of terror or an act of self defense?



Qui-Gon...rather than argue over dictionary definitions, could you give your answer to my original post?

I'm really very interested to know if pre-emptive strikes are morally justifiable when they are against the US.

We've all heard the Republican administration's claims of the morality of an American pre-emptive strike anywhere in the world.

Is there a difference? If so, what international treaty or code of conduct is it based on?
2005) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 704465)
Posted 26 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Maybe I am defending Bush, but that is secondary to my main point, which is that your position is noting more than unsupported bias. You have never given an example of Bush lying that fits a real dictionary definition.


Jeez Qui-Gon, you sound like Bill Clinton asking for a definition of the "is"
2006) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 704464)
Posted 26 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


His military attacked Kuwait and pillaged that country (unlike us, he really was after the oil) then set the oilfields on fire causing massive ecological damage.


Actually, Saddam invaded Kuwait after years of aguing with them over their lateral underground drilling into Iraqi reserves.

I suppose this never made it into a FOX News broadcast either.





2007) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 704457)
Posted 26 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

But the fact that Saddam expelled weapons inspectors, by itself, was reason enough for us to take military action.



Qui-Gon

Bush removed the weapons inspectors on the eve of the invasion.
Up to the point American troops moved in there had been US and UN inspectors on the ground.

http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2007/sc9064.doc.htm

The above link shows the UN Security Council concluding there were no WMD on June 29 2007. Complete with a confirmation letter co-signed by Secretary of State Rice.


http://www.worldpress.org/Mideast/918.cfm

This link gives some world opinion just before the invasion.

Qui-Gon...there's more going on in the world than FOX News tells you.
2008) Message boards : Cafe SETI : ***UOTD Twice NOW*** (Message 704168)
Posted 25 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Don't let anyone rain on your parade

Cheers Michael T. Allison Retired USN
2009) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 704100)
Posted 25 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
You guys have rather poor memories. Bush came into office with the economy faltering. Remember the "dot-com" bubble? Then, America was attacked and the economy tanked. The tax-cuts that went through Congress after those problems happened, helped to revive the economy. The Dow-Jones gained more than 5,000 points before the recent sub-prime mortgage meltdown. Unthinking, anti-Bush propaganda like this, which ignores reality, has led people like you to believe that the sub-prime problem and it's effects on the economy are Bush's fault too. Instead of echoing the ideologues who lay all problems on the White House steps, you should check your history.

By the way, a lie is a statement known to be false but deliberately presented as true; meant to deceive. Clinton lied, Bush did not. Deal with it.


A true Jedi would not be seduced by the dark side.
2010) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 704087)
Posted 25 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Wouldn't some new bridges be nice to replace the crumbling and collapsing ones?

How about refitting the water distribution systems in cities?

Why not fix or better yet, build new schools?

Instead of spending all that money on things that go BOOM once, try spending it on things that will make American's lives better for generations to come.
2011) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 704081)
Posted 25 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
After Bush presented those who don't need any more money tens of billions of dollars in "much needed" tax relief, under the pretext that further enriching these lifeforms will help everyone, he wants to ensure his place in history by making sure every American has a whole $300 to kick start the economy.

Do you know what he is saying to the American people with this $300?

"Here's something shiny to play with, now f@#& off, shut up and go play in the corner"
2012) Message boards : Politics : Saddam admitted he miscalculated ... (Message 704075)
Posted 25 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
"No friend of mine! Nope, never met the man"



Had Rumsfeld gone rogue at the time? Was he acting on his own?
2013) Questions and Answers : Wish list : When quoting... (Message 704065)
Posted 25 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thank you Ageless
I was thinking more along the lines of this just being done automatically but if there are settings I can adjust to do this I guess it'll do.

Of course, now you have to point me in the right direction to activate this option.
Where would someone of my limited computer skills find it?

To show how bad I am... Odysseus' "use BBcode" link was another feature I was absolutely oblivious to.

It dawns on me that maybe I should look in there first.
2014) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! III (Message 704060)
Posted 25 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thank you Red Atomic
Now the pressure is on to see if I can do this without asking for help.

2015) Message boards : Politics : How do you fix this cesspool of lies and profit? (Message 704054)
Posted 25 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


So it's the unionized working people with yachts and a Bentley parked in the driveway of their $15 million mansions.

How could I have been so crazy to think that the CEO's were raping the economy when all along it's been the working class.

Put some effort into finding at least one fact before you spew obvious lies.

May be that rich guy is an athlete and not a CEO.

Briggs & Stratton had an engine manufacturing plant in Milwaukee, WI. The union went on strike to get a new contract with more benefits plus wages.

They finally settled the contract and it wasn't more than a year that the plant was closed. Everybody lost their job. What a great plan that was.


Was the plant closed or was it moved to a third world country with slave labour, no environmental standards and no corporate taxes?
Keep going along with their plan and you too can enjoy those same standards right here.

Don't blame unions for trying to better things for working people in the face of absolute betrayal on the part of corporations and the elites.

Look at how things have changed in our lifetime.
My father could raise a family with four kids on his income alone (a house painter) in the '60's and '70's.
Now, since the '80's with working people's wages not even keeping pace with inflation, both parents have to work and some need a second job.

At the same time, corporations, CEO's and the investor class are enjoying record profits which just get better every year.

Time to take a look at the big picture.
2016) Message boards : Politics : Saddam admitted he miscalculated ... (Message 704053)
Posted 25 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The only truth in that article is his surprise at being attacked BY HIS FRIENDS in the White House.
2017) Questions and Answers : Wish list : When quoting... (Message 703676)
Posted 24 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
When quoting someone in a post, would it be possible to have the name of that person included as part of the quote?


2018) Message boards : Politics : Lies Lies Lies - Closed (Message 703662)
Posted 24 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://www.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/Default.aspx?src=home&context=overview&id=945

This is a link to The Center For Public Integrity.

This report outlines that in the two years leading up to the Iraq invasion, the Republican administration lied about weapons of mass destruction and Iraqi links to Al-Qaeda 935 times.

Yet many still believe these same people when they now make similar claims about Iran.

I wonder how any nation would react when hearing the American president speak of invading them? Especially after the rhetoric leading up to the actual invasion of Iraq.

Would they be justified in attempting a pre-emptive strike of their own?

Would such a pre-emptive strike, in the face of Bush's actions these past years, be considered by the world to be an act of terror or an act of self defense?

George Bush and Dick Cheney have made this world a whole lot more dangerous by unleashing the Military Industrial Complex and allowing it to begin a feeding frenzy of profit.
2019) Message boards : Politics : How do you fix this cesspool of lies and profit? (Message 703654)
Posted 24 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Put some effort into finding at least one fact before you spew obvious lies.



Fire Brigade Union Head on £76K per annum, firemen on £20K. Union head spends £6/7k on business lunch (So-Called Business). Paid for out of union expenses. Made the front pages of the papers here for a week.

Fact enough for you?


Interesting that a CEO's expenses are never questioned in the corporate media, while a single example of a union leader possibly abusing his position is headline news for a week.

Ever felt manipulated?


2020) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! III (Message 703651)
Posted 24 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:




Feed me Seymour!
2021) Message boards : Politics : How do you fix this cesspool of lies and profit? (Message 703123)
Posted 23 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


You are forgetting the power of the union leadership to get your jobs eliminated because they want power and ask for to much.


What does asking for too much mean?

Wages for working people haven't even kept pace with inflation since the early 1970's while CEO earnings have increased by about 500%.

Instead of cowering in the corner for table scaps as you seem to be advising, I say walk up to the table and take the whole ham.
If Montgomery Burns says anything then take the desert too.



Have you no idea of what the union leadership tries to negotiate with the corporations.

I guess you've been brainwashed to the point that you can't see the forest through the trees. :)

They try to get for their members more than the members can produce for the corporation to give back, if it isn't wages then it is an outrages pension plan, Health insurance plan, or meal plans which may be cheap at the beginning but becomes crippling years latter. The union leaders got their pension or whatever else and the members lose.


So it's the unionized working people with yachts and a Bentley parked in the driveway of their $15 million mansions.

How could I have been so crazy to think that the CEO's were raping the economy when all along it's been the working class.

Put some effort into finding at least one fact before you spew obvious lies.
2022) Message boards : Cafe SETI : A great community (Message 703114)
Posted 23 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
That was my experience too when I joined last October.

As one new guy to another...welcome aboard.
2023) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! III (Message 703113)
Posted 23 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:



What do you mean someone named SETI is already doing this?


2024) Message boards : Politics : Healthcare Canada vs US (Message 702833)
Posted 22 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
You're correct Franz

The healthcare industry lobbyists have been grinding away at our system and our politicians for many years.

The federal government has been slowly choking off health transfer payments to the provinces for probably two decades now, all in an effort to turn people's attitudes toward private care.

Twisted tools like Ralph Klein and Gordon Campbell (ex-premier of Alberta and present premier of British Columbia) are both driving hard to push the privateer's ideology of abandoning universal healthcare.
2025) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! III (Message 702827)
Posted 22 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
This is the moment where young Freddie realized he had become the defining metaphor of the Bush presidency.
2026) Message boards : Politics : Credibility (Message 702698)
Posted 22 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
How far back are you going? [SNIP] Maybe the Crusades?

Looking back that far might not be a bad idea.


Those who do not understand history are bound to repeat it.
2027) Message boards : Politics : How do you fix this cesspool of lies and profit? (Message 702696)
Posted 22 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


You are forgetting the power of the union leadership to get your jobs eliminated because they want power and ask for to much.


What does asking for too much mean?

Wages for working people haven't even kept pace with inflation since the early 1970's while CEO earnings have increased by about 500%.

Instead of cowering in the corner for table scaps as you seem to be advising, I say walk up to the table and take the whole ham.
If Montgomery Burns says anything then take the desert too.


2028) Message boards : Politics : Healthcare Canada vs US (Message 702685)
Posted 22 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The Canadians have a lot more sense than the Americans (And I am one of the latter). Here in the US there are a lot more fat people, a lot more with big families, that keep adding on to their families despite their poverty. I see a lot of medication ads that persuade the doctors to favor their hospitals and pocketbooks over the care of their patients. Here if a couple has a child that needs a lot of medical care that couple will keep adding to its family despite its monetary needs for that sick kid. In short there are a lot of Americans here that don't have any common sense. This may be the reason for lousy healthcare here.


There are people here in Canada with the same attitudes as some you describe.

The difference in Canada is they don't have to worry about the added expense of healthcare when needed.

The bottom line is our couch potatoes are going to live longer than your couch potatoes for less per capita spending than you.
2029) Message boards : Politics : Healthcare Canada vs US (Message 702680)
Posted 22 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I still fail to understand some people's denials that universal single payer healthcare is needed in the US.


And I still fail to understand why some people insist that having the United States Government be in charge of health care would be a GOOD thing.

Our government is pretty much inept. Just look at the fact that we cannot secure our own borders....nor can we manage to get trade more balanced so that countries like Japan couldn't put our products so far behind the 8 ball before they even GET THERE.

Do this sound like the group of people you want to be in charge when you are in a life or death situation??

You gotta be kidding me.


Not to worry Knightmare...Dick Cheney won't be assisting George W. in your heart surgery.

The medical decisions are made by doctors, (not some dink in a cubicle in a giant insurance tower) the government will simply be the single payer in the equation.
2030) Message boards : Politics : Right on Andy Rooney... (Message 702441)
Posted 21 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Andy is a nice old man that I would love to have as a Grandfather.
But he's stuck in the 1950's.
2031) Message boards : Politics : Healthcare Canada vs US (Message 702435)
Posted 21 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I still fail to understand some people's denials that universal single payer healthcare is needed in the US.

A quick scan through the World Health Organization or Stats Canada show some pretty good reasons for Americans to start demanding proper healthcare from their government.

Canadians and Americans share a similar lifestyle and level of incomes.
We share similar environmental protections and regulations protecting us from contaminated food and water.
Therefore, our health levels should be also even.

But they aren't.

The infant mortality rate in the US is 7.1 per 1,000.
43rd of 225 countries monitored.
Infant mortality in Canada is 4.7 per 1,000.
23rd of 225 countries.

Life expectancy in the US is 77.5 years.
Life expectancy in Canada is 80.5 years.

Here's the ballbuster.
Per capita spending in Canada is $2,669.00
Per capita spending in the US is $5,711.00
These are US dollars, so the Canadian figure will have dropped significantly since the drop in the US buck.
About 20% I estimate.

There will probably be some anti-healthcare rants placed soon but the figures don't lie, although anti-healthcare ranters do.
2032) Message boards : Politics : Bush Hawks Overthrown and Repudiated by Intelligence Community Coup (Message 702258)
Posted 21 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I think we should all just be friends and get along.


I could live with that.
2033) Message boards : Politics : Bush Hawks Overthrown and Repudiated by Intelligence Community Coup (Message 702256)
Posted 21 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Quite a while ago I said that the US has entered a "War on Terror" and all this can lead to is eternal war.

The corporations making gobs of money from this won't allow it to end.
They profit from every aspect of this war, from weapons to kill and destroy to reconstruction and healthcare for the survivors.

The eye of Sauron must cast it's gaze on ever new targets to keep the wheels of industry rolling.
Thus, Iran is now in it's sights.
Who comes next? I don't know, but one thing is certain...it won't be any formidable nations.

I predict a return to Central America in the next few years. I understand there's lots of real bad terrorist down there too.
2034) Message boards : Politics : Is It Right.....? (Message 702255)
Posted 21 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I don't see any problem with the way different sites allot credits.

If everyone in a given site receives credits at the same rate, everything is relative whether the rate is set at .5 per unit or 2.5 per unit.

I don't think people join these projects to gather useless online points in the first place.

While the accumulation of credits does allow one to check their progress against others, as long as they all receive these credits at the same rate, what's the problem?
2035) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Packers vs the Giants.... (Message 702253)
Posted 21 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I hope they were good games...I have another two weeks to go on this graveyard shift, so I had to sleep all day.

Giants over Green Bay? WOW! I think Favre has some more gas in his tank and he'll be back for another kick at the can.
2036) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! III (Message 702250)
Posted 21 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
It must be time to pick a winner...

Ratava with Turnips and Sourkraut




2037) Message boards : Politics : Credibility (Message 701592)
Posted 19 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
It appears peace will reign for a short while.
2038) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! III (Message 701589)
Posted 19 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Yikes...came out larger than I thought.
Oh well.
Obvious political captions would seem to be in order.
2039) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! III (Message 701424)
Posted 19 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Sorry folks...I have a picture in my Photobucket account ready to go...but I forget how to move it to this site. (does this mean I'm not a geek?)

Help please. Without laughter if possible.
2040) Message boards : Politics : Benazir Bhutto assassinated by Islamists (Message 701221)
Posted 18 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
BTW. Eric Korpela already said he'd close this thread if it deviated off of the topic I CREATED yet he has not done so. I can show you his pm to me if you guys wish.


Would you like to show the PM you sent me?
2041) Message boards : Politics : Benazir Bhutto assassinated by Islamists (Message 701214)
Posted 18 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'm saying that for even one muslim [snip] there are thousands upon thousands that do not want or desire to harm anyone else.

About 25% of the worlds population is Muslim, and that number is growing by the minute...

The subtle irony is that the negative propaganda has actually done a service for Islam... ;)

(For those who disagree, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!)


That would be the 'negative propaganda' engendered by the openly terrorist style operations you have OPENLY supported in these boards, Jeffrey?

I wonder what would happen if I ever advocated by implication, insinuation, whatever what you do in the name of Christianity or atheism or White Supremacy.

I would PROBABLY BE BANNED FOR LIFE.


This was your accusation.
2042) Message boards : Politics : Credibility (Message 701207)
Posted 18 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
We come into this world with nothing and leave with nothing.
The part in between the two nothings is called life.

We all need to take stock of our lives at times, to make sure we are not going off the tracks.

One way to make sure is to realize when we've made a mistake or caused damage or cast aspersions upon another.
It's at these times, when our egos are taking the greatest bruising, that we must rise above ourselves and realize that there is no way out of the situation other than to apologize to the person we have damaged, insulted or wrongly accused.

The people who cannot seem to bring themselves to apologize, do so in the belief that an apology will somehow damage their credibility, when the truth is in fact that not apologizing is the greater cause of damage.
2043) Message boards : Politics : Benazir Bhutto assassinated by Islamists (Message 701188)
Posted 18 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
No, this thread will not be requested to be closed. I'm the thread founder.
I've already stated that Jeffrey's sympathies with radical islamists can be found in his posting history. I'm not going to spend 8 hours going through all of his posts for you.

All he has to do is deny it in plain spoken unequivocal language.



Under the present rule of law, the accuser bears the burden of proof.

An accusation was made by you Scary and it must be backed up with evidence.
Jeffrey has no obligation whatsoever to comply with your demand that he deny.

I expect this post to stand as there is absolutely nothing that can be considered Flame/Hate in it.
2044) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! III (Message 700757)
Posted 17 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
After misplacing the directions for building the ark, Noah was forced to improvise... ;)


You had me on the floor with this one.
2045) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Favorite Movie (Message 700756)
Posted 17 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The Good The Bad and the Ugly
The Keep
Eraserhead
Lord of the Rings
28 Weeks later
Miracle Mile
and for some strange reason I like Streets of Fire
2046) Message boards : Politics : Bush Hawks Overthrown and Repudiated by Intelligence Community Coup (Message 700754)
Posted 17 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

There is your mistake, assumption a corporation is conservative.
Many Presidents and CEOs can be liberal and then the policies of the corporation are liberal.


You may find a sweet, ripe peach floating in a cesspool but that doesn't change the rest of the contents.




2047) Message boards : Politics : Bush Hawks Overthrown and Repudiated by Intelligence Community Coup (Message 700545)
Posted 16 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

...

So if they stopped their weapons program, it has not delayed them very much. The hardest part is enrichment and that is the part that the Iranians are working on now at full force.


...

Can I go beat the hell out of my neighbor because he owns antifreeze and at some point in the future could use it to poison my dogs?


Good points gentlemen, both of you.

Robert Waite, let me answer you this way: No, of course not. But...

Canada has a history. It is not an aggresive country. The same cannot be said be said about Iran. Is it surprising that many citizens in western democracies are nervous? The attack on the WTC did take place.

I understand the point of your question, but the analogy is not strong enough, for me. You asked

"Can I go beat the hell out of my neighbor because he owns antifreeze and at some point in the future could use it to poison my dogs?"

The question should be (I think):

"My neighbor owns lots of fertilizer. Recently he's said nasty things to me and has bought blasting caps. That makes his fertilizer a potential bomb that can kill my whole family. Can I go beat the hell out of him?"

To which I add these questions: "If not, how do I make sure he never makes a bomb? How do I get rid of the blasting caps?"

If "The price of freedom is eternal vigilence" as Thomas Jefferson said, what do we do against clearly hostile and perhaps aggressive countries?

When you consider United States' concerns about nuclear proliferation, to some extent it is the author of its own misfortune. The U.S. created and used the first nuclear weapon. They created world military dominence with it. Is it surprising that every country wants one?

Having opened Pandora's Box, how do we keep the lid on it?


But the importance of this story to me is less the issue of Iran, than the "What Goes On" in the intelligence community, that we so much rely on. I think Messrs. Van Diepen and Fingar were right in instituting procedures that focus on truth and confirmation in analysis. I think they're right in shutting out the White House from visiting them every weekend to try to shape their analysis. When you think about it, they have actually saved Iran from any U.S. attack for the duration of what's left of the lame duck Bush administration.

The staunchly consevative New Republic magazine complains that this Iran report is also based on a single informant (so they claim) and one that has not personally been questioned by Messrs. Van Diepen and Fingar.

But some measure of oversight is needed on the intelligence community. Remember that the all important CIA was born in WWII as the OSS, a misinformation as well as a counterespionage department. The CIA continues those traditions to this day.

My point is this: we can use misinformation and mischief to confound our enemies, but never give the intelligence community the power to misinform or confound us.

That is why I support Messrs. Van Diepen and Fingar in beating back the Mr. Boltons of the White House. The keys are: proof of truth and oversight by the Senate.

IMHO.


Beethoven, you're correct when you state Canada has a history. We are the only nation to invade the US and burn down the White House.
We've been, historically, the source of more hostility and death than Iran has to America.

I've seen no evidence of Iranian or Iraqi involvement in the horrors of Sept 11 but plenty of evidence pointing toward the Saudis.

My dispute is against the idea that America has a right to pre-emptive strikes based on possibilities of future events.

I see no war plans against China even though one of their top generals stated that they would rain down fire on American cities over the Taiwan issue if America were to support the Taiwanese.
Surely this is more of a threat than some pissant country like Iran.

The really sad part of this is that the Iranian government was one of the first to express their outrage and sympathy after the attacks on Sept 11.
2048) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! III (Message 700360)
Posted 16 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


ok guys give me your best...


Colin Powell finally resigned after realizing the smell of death was starting to stick to him too.
2049) Message boards : Politics : NEW, RISING INDEPENDENT SUPPORTS SETI (Message 700174)
Posted 15 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Independent Presidential Candidate Brad Lord-Leutwyler is a long-time SETI supporter and Seti@Home participant.

He has several million people backing him, and he has yet to waste a SINGLE DIME on his campaign. He is NEW AND DIFFERENT because he uses the internet EXCLUSIVELY to campaign, he responds to all questions personally and he is actually SMART, and opposed to simply politically savy.

CHECK HIM OUT AT: WWW.VOTEFORBRAD.COM


Well BRAD

This fellow BRAD Lord-Leutwyler must be one hell of a speed typist to have answered millions of questions personally. Good luck.
Were I an American, I'd be backing Ralph Nader for another run at it.
2050) Message boards : Politics : Bush Hawks Overthrown and Repudiated by Intelligence Community Coup (Message 700171)
Posted 15 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Did you know that the new National Intelligence Estimate has a part that is only based on hearsay, public opinion, and news that is reported by a left biased media? How realistic and calculated is that?

Secondly, It is the simpliest part of a Nuke to weaponize it.
The actual weapons program that the Iranians have stopped can be restarted after they have enriched uranium and they could have a bomb within a few months.

So if they stopped their weapons program, it has not delayed them very much. The hardest part is enrichment and that is the part that the Iranians are working on now at full force.



Two things

First, the myth of the left bias in media. The media is owned by the corporate world and the only voices from the left are those who are not as far right as the Bushtards but still way right of center.
If the media were really left of center would we not be reading pro-union articles and seeing support for universal single payer healthcare from all the media sources?
Sorry mate, but the biased lefty media crap doesn't hold up under even the simplest test.

Second, we Canadians can enrich uranium. When should we be expecting the tanks to roll across the border?

When did your government gain the moral right to pre-emptively attack other nations on a hunch that some future event may or may not happen?

Can I go beat the hell out of my neighbor because he owns antifreeze and at some point in the future could use it to poison my dogs?
2051) Message boards : Politics : How to Live on Retirement Income... (Message 700162)
Posted 15 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Look at the Dudes Nickname "BrainSmashR", His own brain is SMASHED...


After reading through the personal homepage that he has provided a link to I have a theory as to the origin of his online name.

2052) Message boards : Politics : How to Live on Retirement Income... (Message 699859)
Posted 13 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Get some help dude because I really have no idea as to what you are trying to communicate to this topic.
You've stepped over the abyss.
2053) Message boards : Politics : How to Live on Retirement Income... (Message 699716)
Posted 13 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


I keep forgetting that you need things kept simple.

They ALL double dip.

The system is flawed.




They ALL double dip, huh?

I wasn't aware that Mrs. Bush and Gingrich were also drawing government pensions.

...or maybe, once again, you've oversimplified the situation into a blatant lie.


Do you ever get anything straight?

Why are you saying Mrs. Bush? When did one of the Bush women get elected to qualify for a congressional pension in the first place?

The Bush I was pointing to was Daddy Bush. I guess the word "Daddy" wasn't gender specific enough for you.

Of course Gingrich is eating the government cheese too.
2054) Message boards : Politics : How to Live on Retirement Income... (Message 699663)
Posted 13 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I appreciate everything you guys do...or did in the service.

I bartended in Vancouver years ago and whenever some members of any of the armed services wandered in I would but their first round...no matter what country they served.

Being located downtown meant we saw a lot of US and Canadian sailors.
Hell, you might even have been one of them.
It was the Sportsline Lounge in the Sandmann Hotel...right near BC Place (Vancouver's domed stadium)
2055) Message boards : Politics : How to Live on Retirement Income... (Message 699659)
Posted 12 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'm not sure as to the target of your anger.

Is it the Clintons, or the system that they are part of?

Every ex-president is protected by Secret Service for obvious reasons.
Every ex-senator and congress member is allowed a pension.

Would the news that Newt Gingrich is collecting the same pension upset you as much? Well, he is. So is Daddy Bush who, by the way, has made way more money than Bill Clinton since leaving office.

Don't make the mistake of thinking I'm OK with these gold plated pension plans that politicians give to themselves, because I'm not.
We have a similar situation here in Canada where a Member of Parliament needs only 6 years of service to qualify for a parliamentary pension.

Nowhere in the real world do people enjoy such a perk and I think it`s only fair to point out that politicians from every party take advantage of the system, so in fairness, get angry at all of them and get angry at the system they have put in place for their own benefit.

Try not to single out a few individuals for selective anger for something they, and every other politician do.

Of course, this situation could never happen in a world where citizens watched what their elected representatives were doing all the time.


That's a gross over simplification of the problem.

The Clinton's are "double dipping" while you point fingers at Bush.


I keep forgetting that you need things kept simple.

They ALL double dip.

The system is flawed.


2056) Message boards : Politics : How to Live on Retirement Income... (Message 699657)
Posted 12 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Hey Michael, I'm sorry to learn that you were injured while in service to your country and also glad to see you refer to yourself as a happily retired man.

Thank you man
2057) Message boards : Politics : How to Live on Retirement Income... (Message 699511)
Posted 12 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'm not sure as to the target of your anger.

Is it the Clintons, or the system that they are part of?

Every ex-president is protected by Secret Service for obvious reasons.
Every ex-senator and congress member is allowed a pension.

Would the news that Newt Gingrich is collecting the same pension upset you as much? Well, he is. So is Daddy Bush who, by the way, has made way more money than Bill Clinton since leaving office.

Don't make the mistake of thinking I'm OK with these gold plated pension plans that politicians give to themselves, because I'm not.
We have a similar situation here in Canada where a Member of Parliament needs only 6 years of service to qualify for a parliamentary pension.

Nowhere in the real world do people enjoy such a perk and I think it`s only fair to point out that politicians from every party take advantage of the system, so in fairness, get angry at all of them and get angry at the system they have put in place for their own benefit.

Try not to single out a few individuals for selective anger for something they, and every other politician do.

Of course, this situation could never happen in a world where citizens watched what their elected representatives were doing all the time.
2058) Message boards : Politics : Torture: Is it ever OK? (Message 699486)
Posted 12 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'd like to think I'd defend my children against a vigilante such as yourself, and that my kids would be subject to due process. I'm afraid the path you advocate appears to lead ultimately to lawlessness, where the rights of others are a secondary consideration to those of me and mine.


lol, why on earth would you need to defend your children against me? that makes no sence at all i ONLY advocate violence in defence.

What you are doing is connecting individual circumstances with systemic policies to make a case for torture.

As an individual, you just might perform these actions in defence of your children and in the end will face a jury of your peers.
As a national policy, torture is repugnant and indefencible.


If a democratic nation does not reflect the ideals of its citizens then its not very democratic.

as to torture being repugnant, tell that to those that managed to survive the initial blasts of americas nuke's...could you imagine a worse death than being slowly cooked and dissasembled from the inside?

that was without doubt the worst terror incident the planet has ever seen. dont tell me it wasnt because the whole point was to instill so much fear and terror into our enemies that they would surrender...

we all know the 'victor' writes the history.

my views may not be popularist but at least they are not hypocritical.


I'm not certain if you are calling me the hypocrite or someone else.
I believe my stand has been quite consistant through out this discussion in that torture is never acceptable.

While I did state that an individual might perform such an act and they would be held accountable by a court of law, it does not mean I approve of, or agree with torture under any circumstance.
It's no different than stating that someone will rob a bank. While I state someone, somewhere will rob a bank, it doesn't imply that I agree with the act.
2059) Message boards : Politics : Nuclear Fission Power (Message 699077)
Posted 11 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
cRunchy...What time periods are you talking about when you say that photo electric panels degrade?
Are we talking decades or a couple of years?
This is the first time I've heard a concern about this issue.
I better do some looking.

As to reducing our usage, I hope everyone is willing to cut back by walking to the library or hanging clothes to dry, among other things.

I'd rather have stiff towels than a nuclear plant nearby.
2060) Message boards : Politics : Nuclear Fission Power (Message 699058)
Posted 11 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Could they dig a hole several miles (kilometers) deep and drop the spent rods down that? Maybe at the end of the hole they could use a bomb to make the storage chamber bigger.


That will only fracture the rock layer allowing for even greater leeching.
2061) Message boards : Politics : Benazir Bhutto assassinated by Islamists (Message 698927)
Posted 10 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'm sorry. I don't feel that I'm any longer at liberty to fulfill your requests. I can't state it more bluntly than that.


You made a blanket statement that you can't back-up and so you are hiding your head up your keaster.

So what if Jeffrey's a muslim? He also comes across as a decent, caring person. Not some self important semi-literate Limbaugh wannabe.

If we are going to generalize, Timothy Mcvee was a christian.
Does that make all christians terrorists?

Lay off the hyperbole and stick to the known facts and you won't find yourself having to hide behind stupid little excuses anymore. (giggling with delight)
2062) Message boards : Politics : Nuclear Fission Power (Message 698924)
Posted 10 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Has the world forgotten Three Mile Island, Chalk River, Kyshtym, Greifswald, Goiania, Tokaimura, Mihama, Kashiwazaki?

Unfamiliar names? How about Chernobyl?

Atomic energy is not the best choice for the world because of the huge amounts of nuclear waste produced. No one wants the stuff stored near themselves and the sites used for storage are now found to be unsafe for many reasons.
We haven't developed the technology to store nuclear wastes safely for tens of thousands of years.

Beside the waste issue, there's the issues of plant safety. The above names are some of the sites where accidents have happened.

There are many alternatives out there which will not poison the world if the technology breaks down.
There are also alternatives that do not require the subsidy levels of atomic energy.
The belief that atomic energy is inexpensive is a lie told to us by the promoters of nuclear energy.
This is one of the more costly forms of energy production and could not survive without vast amounts of support from the public by way of subsidies, tax breaks and old fashioned hand-outs.

Let's find another way to produce energy that is both from renewable sources and non-toxic.

Are you gone silly town?

Almost noone in western designed nuclear power plants have ever been harmed. Compare that to

COAL

PETROLEUM

HYDROELECTRIC

even SOLAR AND WIND.

much more fatal......

So stop talking out of both sides of your mouth. Nuke power is clean, safe, and productive.


Both sides of my mouth???? You really are just a shill for the republicans aren't you.

You have the nerve to say that after you claim that nuclear is safer than solar and wind?

What do you do with the spent nuclear waste? We drill a hole and drop it in.
Do you guys have any concept of ground water contamination?
Once irradiated, the water and surrounding rock will be contaminated for a hundred thousand years. Do you really believe that the ground water doesn't circulate through the Earth's mantle and eventually reach the surface?

Oh, but who cares? That won't happen until after you're dead.

Another thing to consider in your lemming-like rush to do whatever the elites tell you to do...those nuclear plants make a nice target for the generations of "terrorists" created by American meddling in the Middle East, and you double-damned well know that they'll get to one of the plants.

Personally, I'd rather see every rooftop in the country covered in solar panels.
2063) Message boards : Politics : Nuclear Fission Power (Message 698563)
Posted 9 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Has the world forgotten Three Mile Island, Chalk River, Kyshtym, Greifswald, Goiania, Tokaimura, Mihama, Kashiwazaki?

Unfamiliar names? How about Chernobyl?

Atomic energy is not the best choice for the world because of the huge amounts of nuclear waste produced. No one wants the stuff stored near themselves and the sites used for storage are now found to be unsafe for many reasons.
We haven't developed the technology to store nuclear wastes safely for tens of thousands of years.

Beside the waste issue, there's the issues of plant safety. The above names are some of the sites where accidents have happened.

There are many alternatives out there which will not poison the world if the technology breaks down.
There are also alternatives that do not require the subsidy levels of atomic energy.
The belief that atomic energy is inexpensive is a lie told to us by the promoters of nuclear energy.
This is one of the more costly forms of energy production and could not survive without vast amounts of support from the public by way of subsidies, tax breaks and old fashioned hand-outs.

Let's find another way to produce energy that is both from renewable sources and non-toxic.
2064) Message boards : Politics : Benazir Bhutto assassinated by Islamists (Message 698562)
Posted 9 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'm saying that for even one muslim [snip] there are thousands upon thousands that do not want or desire to harm anyone else.

About 25% of the worlds population is Muslim, and that number is growing by the minute...

The subtle irony is that the negative propaganda has actually done a service for Islam... ;)

(For those who disagree, KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!)


That would be the 'negative propaganda' engendered by the openly terrorist style operations you have OPENLY supported in these boards, Jeffrey?

I wonder what would happen if I ever advocated by implication, insinuation, whatever what you do in the name of Christianity or atheism or White Supremacy.

I would PROBABLY BE BANNED FOR LIFE.


Scary...could you please show where Jeffry has OPENLY supported terrorist style operations in here.

I think this is being very harsh on someone who has quietly stated his opinions and never come across as a real crazy. Ya, he has issues, but until you've walked a mile in his shoes you shouldn't minimize his contributions.

Granted, he sometimes snipes from the rooftops with his commentary but it's still more subtle than the Gordie Howe elbow in the mouth posting style of others in here.
2065) Message boards : Politics : Torture: Is it ever OK? (Message 698309)
Posted 8 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
<Bobby> As for your original example (the gang kidnapping your children but leaving one of their number behind), again this fails to meet my criteria for the use of torture, you have no idea how much of the gang's plans this individual is aware. To stretch things a little, the person left behind may have been pressed into such activity in fear of his/her own life (such things do happen), and was left behind purely because his/her knowledge is worthless but the gang felt that the authorities would waste time on interrogation.


Im sure it fails to meet your intellectual 'criteria', however and please dont take this as an attack, but i wonder if you even have children. I find it very very difficult to concieve of a loving parent NOT going balistic on that gang member in order to save their kids and logic be damned.

yes scary this is situationism or whatever you called it, but i am a fan of 'come the moment, come the man' and 'reaction befitting the situation' syle beliefs.

Any of you with kids can understand even the little things that can cause sheer terror, such as your little one climbing the stairs and nearly falling. i would think nothing at all of shredding a person inch by inch if i though it would save my kids.

i know on the surface this seems very little to do with global politics, but the truth of life is there really isnt a 'big picture' except in someones mind or on the preverbial drawing board. in reality we are very complex beings and all out big decisions are influenced my many thousands of little experiences and decisions. i know some of scary's beliefs dont like what im saying but the simple of it is its human nature to react and we all react differently, guess the world would be a lot easier to understand and apply th stamp of logic to if we were all robots, but we are not.


What you are doing is connecting individual circumstances with systemic policies to make a case for torture.

As an individual, you just might perform these actions in defence of your children and in the end will face a jury of your peers.
As a national policy, torture is repugnant and indefencible.
2066) Message boards : Politics : Torture: Is it ever OK? (Message 697823)
Posted 6 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I think you should reread your history.
Fascism and Corporatism are intertwined.

I think you've been over exposed to the propaganda that equates capitalism with freedom.

I think what you need to understand is that alot of your criticisms of 'corporatism' is due in fact to fascist kinds of policies. And socialist practices. You're confusing Capitalism with 'Corporatism'.


Corporations are structured like a fascist state with total authority and power concentrated in the hands of an all powerful leader.
The fascists have always been corporate friendly and the corporations always support fascists.
Remember that Hitler was Time's Man of the Year in the early 30's and the elites in North America invested huge amounts in his fascist Nazi state.

You started this sidebar by stating that I was in favor of fascism and something called statism, to which I am still awaiting an explaination of because I don't know what that is.

Just for the record, I believe in democracy... accountable responsible government... community ownership of resources and vital industries... trade/labour unions... free education... universal single payer healthcare...progressive taxation...and strong central government.

2067) Message boards : Politics : Benazir Bhutto assassinated by Islamists (Message 697750)
Posted 6 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Now you're using straw man arguments. I never said that.

And in addition you're still using moral equiovocation.


Well, I have two questions to ask.

1. What is it you never said? I don't recall quoting you in my reply.
2. I'm unfamiliar with the word equiovocation and cannot find it in my small dictionary. Could you please explain the meaning?








2068) Message boards : Politics : Torture: Is it ever OK? (Message 697733)
Posted 5 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I think you should reread your history.
Fascism and Corporatism are intertwined.

I think you've been over exposed to the propaganda that equates capitalism with freedom.
2069) Message boards : Politics : Torture: Is it ever OK? (Message 697591)
Posted 5 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
Thomas Jefferson

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety
Benjamin Franklin.

Yet you advocate both the abnigation of liberty and safety, Bobby. What gives? You and R.Waite and others do it in the name of socialism/fascism/statism. Strange.


Scary, when did I ever state that liberty and safety were off the table?
Every living human being has a right to these.
Isn't that the central theme from everyone posting in this thread who is opposed to torture?

And what's with all the "ism" words?

You must have noticed that I am stridently anti-fascist by my distrust of corporations.
I fail to see how a social democratic government would be a threat to liberty and safety.
And finally, what the h*ll is statism supposed to mean?
2070) Message boards : Politics : Benazir Bhutto assassinated by Islamists (Message 697590)
Posted 5 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'd like to see someone explain the differences in the terror experienced by someone at the very moment they realize they are about to die.

A person riding a bus to work in London looks over and sees another person connecting the wires to the bomb in a duffel bag.
One second of terror and then oblivion.

A person riding a bus to work in Bagdad looks out the window and sees a F18 that has just released a guided missile.
One second of terror and then oblivion.

The definitions offered will no doubt revolve around the "We good...They bad" argument, but who "We" and "They" are depends on whether you are the oppressor or the oppressed.

There are many nations represented in this forum and I feel safe in stating that were any of our countries invaded, we would be placing bombs and shooting at the invaders and in the eyes of those invaders, we would all be terrorists.

The Bhutto assassination was an act of terror.
Not Islamic terror but political terror.
The message is clear.
"I run a military dictatorship and will tolerate no opposition"

R.Waite, the error here lies in equating self defense of a free (or relatively free) nation vs the tyrannical dictatorships which cannot claim any 'sovereignty' or 'rights'.

You're defining the deaths of 2 people in your above example out of context. Furthermore you omit the fact that the actions of the free nation with its F18 is, in the main and in the long term, an effort that will result in freedom from the tyranny of the other.


Sorry, but to claim another nation has no claim to sovereignty or rights unless it meets the standards set by the US is way wrong.

And I'd be very interested to know if your explaination would be comforting to either of the victims.

Terror is terror. It doesn't matter who performs the act.

The point I am trying to make is that terror is a word used to describe the actions of "the others" and is never applied to one's own actions.
Each side claims the other is a terrorist while claiming their own forces to be freedom fighters.

I tend to lean toward believing the ones fighting against an occupation force on their own lands to be the freedom fighters and the invaders to be the terrorists.

The dudes on the buses don't have the geopolitical ramifications in mind at the last moment of existence, all they have is the moment of terror.
2071) Message boards : Politics : Benazir Bhutto assassinated by Islamists (Message 697221)
Posted 4 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'd like to see someone explain the differences in the terror experienced by someone at the very moment they realize they are about to die.

A person riding a bus to work in London looks over and sees another person connecting the wires to the bomb in a duffel bag.
One second of terror and then oblivion.

A person riding a bus to work in Bagdad looks out the window and sees a F18 that has just released a guided missile.
One second of terror and then oblivion.

The definitions offered will no doubt revolve around the "We good...They bad" argument, but who "We" and "They" are depends on whether you are the oppressor or the oppressed.

There are many nations represented in this forum and I feel safe in stating that were any of our countries invaded, we would be placing bombs and shooting at the invaders and in the eyes of those invaders, we would all be terrorists.

The Bhutto assassination was an act of terror.
Not Islamic terror but political terror.
The message is clear.
"I run a military dictatorship and will tolerate no opposition"
2072) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Favorite T.V. show. (Message 696946)
Posted 3 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Red Dwarf
Star Trek (all but DS9)
Married with Children
Honeymooners
Monday Night Football
South Park
2073) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Happy new year! (Message 696944)
Posted 3 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I resolved to get out fishing more often.

To that end, I was asleep before 11pm New Years Eve and out on the ice at 7am New Years Day.

There was a steady wind and some snow (not too bad though) and it was 14 below.

I fished a hole about 15 feet from my brother all day and was skunked.

I did have the dubious pleasure of watching him land 5 nice sized rainbows.

2074) Message boards : Politics : Fun with Global Warming - Part Drei! (Message 696937)
Posted 3 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
There are plenty of folks that are already set up to make money off of the global warming, this is what I found (in a few minutes) using a search engine:

- Shop at xxxx.com for low prices on Books on global warming. Free Super Saver Shipping on qualified orders over $25.
- One company provided me a handy calculator that based on the information i provided could sell me carbon offsets at only $272.00 per year.
- Another company will sell me a "green" house.
- Several groups that will accept a "donation" to help fight global warming.
- Someone that will come and lecture me about global warming, he expects a small Honorarium (he does't say how much)
- Several travel companies that will take me on a tour to see the effects of global warming.
- any number of gadgets, windmills, solar panels etc. that I can install myself to prevent global warming.

It appears to me that it is just like Y2k, the folks that i will have to buy guns to fight off will be fleeing from

a: their flooded cities because the ice caps melted
b: starvation - as all the farms will be destroyed by no rain
c: monsterous storms such as hurricanes (with apparently no rain in them)
d: earthquakes caused by melting glaciers (yes i did find someone saying that on the web but couldn't we use glacier water to farm with?)
e: folks fleeing from centera america (i think they already are here, one of them offered to rake my yard the other day)
f: poison ivy, duke university says it grows at an alarming rate with extra co2 in the air


These are examples of vipers trying to cash in on the message.
These are not examples of the messengers.
I believe you'll find it quite impossible linking Nobel winning scientists to any of these companies.
I won't dispute that someone will always be trying to make a buck off of any situation Tom, but the people who have warned us about our possible future are not in that group.
2075) Message boards : Politics : Torture: Is it ever OK? (Message 696931)
Posted 3 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Some of the scenarios cited as a good excuse for torture are actually deflecting the question.

National policy is not dictated by specific moments of extreme duress or passion, rather, by calm deliberation by rational people. (This has not been the case in America during the Bush years)

The examples cited by some of our more fervent posters as justification for torture are simply attempts to place those opposed to torture in a no-win situation. If one lives by their principles a loved one dies and if one performs the torture a loved one lives.

Some of these people won't be happy until our courts start using torture to elicit confessions from the accused in criminal cases.

Like I said before...Who would have thought we would be having this kind of discussion in our lifetime?
2076) Message boards : Politics : Torture: Is it ever OK? (Message 696923)
Posted 3 Jan 2008 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty.
Thomas Jefferson

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety
Benjamin Franklin.


thats good bobby, you have given us quotes from dead people in times gone by.
how about you give us a quote from bobby on current affairs =p


OOOO...unfair jab.

The truth remains just as valid no matter how long ago it was presented.
2077) Message boards : Politics : Fun with Global Warming - Part Drei! (Message 694622)
Posted 25 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I saw this before when the "crisis du jour" was Y2K.

The news articles warned that cities would lose their food and water supplies, passenger planes would fall from the sky, etc, etc, riots and anarchy would consume all the major world cities. And I knew of some folks that I thought of as intelligent and well read that bought into the whole thing.

One couple actually sold their home and moved up into the smokey mountains of tennessee with packaged food and lots of guns to defend themselves from the coming hordes of starving city people. They have never returned, I suppose they were too embarresed because they were often quoted in the local paper.

Beware of any "authoritive" news story that contains the words

‘if’, ‘might’, ‘could’, ‘probably’, ‘perhaps’,
‘expected’, ‘projected’ or ‘modeled’



Rational people didn't go to extremes at that time.
My suggestion is to look at the drivers of the claims being made.
Y2K was being promoted by individuals and companies trying to sell you something, upgrades on computers or entire new systems, survival equipment and remote properties.

The Global Warming warnings are not for profit, but a very real concern for the future of the planet.
No one is trying to sell you a way out of climate change, they are trying to get you to change your ways in terms of energy consumption.
2078) Message boards : Politics : Fun with Global Warming - Part Drei! (Message 694595)
Posted 25 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
It's time to forget about ever increasing levels of energy consumption, and past time to seek real solutions.
Who says we have to keep increasing our use of energy every year?

What would happen if Canadians and Americans were to have our energy consumption cut in half?
Do you really believe that we'd be dying in the dark under that circumstance?





Probably not. But there sure would be a whole lot of people just wandering around.


Actually, reducing our consumption by 50% would take us back to about the levels used in 1960.
Everyone seemed to get along fine then.
To put energy use in a modern day setting, people in France use half of what we here in Canada and the U.S. use annually and they aren't suffering either.

Where does this fear of reduced energy consuption come from?
Hmmm...I wonder.
2079) Message boards : Politics : Fun with "Peace". (Message 694593)
Posted 25 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
While the banning of voices I disagree with brings a perverse feeling of glee, I must also confess that the bannings make for a less interesting forum.
2080) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! (Message 694451)
Posted 25 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Merry Christmas everyone.
2081) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! (Message 694450)
Posted 25 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Merry Christmas everyone, from Prince George British Columbia.
2082) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! (Message 694449)
Posted 25 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Merry Christmas everyone.
2083) Message boards : Politics : Fun with Global Warming - Part Drei! (Message 694132)
Posted 24 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
It's time to forget about ever increasing levels of energy consumption, and past time to seek real solutions.
Who says we have to keep increasing our use of energy every year?

What would happen if Canadians and Americans were to have our energy consumption cut in half?
Do you really believe that we'd be dying in the dark under that circumstance?



2084) Message boards : Politics : Fun With Taxes! (Message 693989)
Posted 23 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


What do you think about it? It's bound to be a well debated topic this year in the presidential campaigns.



Do you even watch your own country's debates?

The only things being well debated are Christ and fences, and everyone seems to be on the same page when it comes to both of these.

Therefore, I must conclude that there is no debate in your political proccess, but plenty of small sound bites for mass consumption by people like you.
2085) Message boards : Politics : Fun With Taxes! (Message 693988)
Posted 23 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Always keep in mind that unless you're self-employed, the signatures on the face of your paycheck generally make more money than you. When you limit their ability to make money and keep the money that they make, the greater the odds that you will someday not be getting a check from them...

Also, keep in mind 401(k) "millionaires" either are out there, or will be out there in the next 10 years. If I busted my butt for 30-40 years and saved a lot and had a good return, then I fail to understand why I should have punitive amounts of that confiscated once I start taking distributions...


Well, as to the employer making more money than the employee, I have no argument.
But the trickle down theory has been proven to be a load of garbage.
Reagan did away with the progressive tax system under the trickle down theory which was based on the innaccurate assumption that when the wealthy became even more wealthy, they would share some of it with the working class.
This has proven to be one of the greatest wrongs ever thrust upon working people ever.
Since the dark days of Reaganism, we have witnessed increases of over 400% in earnings for the wealthy while earnings for working people has not even kept pace with inflation.
This is why you have less in your pocket now than you did 35 years ago.

As to your investments or pensions, if you reread my post, it states the progressive taxation would kick in on any money over $4 million per year.

The first $4 million is taxed at the normal rate but anything above that gets taxed at the appropriate rate.

Not many of us are involved in a pension plan or investment scheme that is going to provide over $4 million a year so it's save to assume that only the super rich, who have enjoyed all the perks of this stable society, will be involved in paying the progressive tax.
2086) Message boards : Politics : Fun with Global Warming - Part Drei! (Message 693688)
Posted 22 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Why don't you or others do it already? It's just a bunch of yip yap.


Good come back Einstien

I'll rush out and create my own energy source first thing in the morning.

For the record, mockery of those concerned with the future of our planet and our species is exactly what I expect from you and your deep thinking friends.

Now go burn a tire in your fireplace to get back at me.



2087) Message boards : Politics : Political Thread [21] (Message 693687)
Posted 22 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

You also advocate nationalizing all major industries, R. Waite.

....."what happens to working people in 'market driven economies' "

In some senses all economies are 'market driven'. What you mean is you want to have heavy hands run by the elite (whoever happens to snag power and get to the top) tell the workers what to do. You want big government to order around the 'little people' all the time and run the minutiae of lives 24/7.

What would a society run by your standards actually look like in reality? I know what mine would look like. I know what a society that Rush advocates would look like. Yours would be one that is replete with fear and terror. Literally.

There's no other method that you would ever be able to employ to achieve your ends. You flat out state it that you'd initiate force to achieve your ends. And your goals are horrifying. You essentially advocate a dictatorship and the end to personal freedom, dissent, and liberty. You're a scary dude....



OK...One more time for the simple minded in the class.

I advocate for a socialized democracy.

Socialized in the sense that major industries of national economic importance are owned by the people.
These industries would be run in the same way as any other corporation in the world with the exception being the profits would be used for the benefit of the people.
Without the need to pay a CEO and his cronies multi-millions per year and without the need to pay shareholders or issue dividends, the operating costs would be lowered, resulting in reduced rates to the public end users.

Democratic in that citizens would elect representatives the same way we do now with the major difference being that corporations would not be able to lobby government or contribute in any way to the political proccess.
Only a living, breathing HUMAN BEING would be allowed to participate in the political proccess.
Every election would be publically funded and candidates would not be permitted donations from ANY source other than the direct funding received from the election pool.

The rest of your Nazi-like impression of what I have said is pure fantasy and lies.

Only a complete wad would even try to place me in some kind of terrorist group because I oppose kissing the butts of the elites.

You fear power in the hands of the people by way of accountable government yet seem to trust the very people who've gotten the world so screwed up these past 40 years.

I think there's something wrong with you.









2088) Message boards : Politics : Fun With Taxes! (Message 693683)
Posted 22 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

1. Even if 'family dynasties' got their money through inheritance what gives you the magical right to seize it?


2. Under the proposed Fair Tax plan those eeeeeeeevil rich guys that you scorn so much won't have a choice to pay or not pay. It's built into the system. You again claim things that are simply not true. Do you not have any respect for the virtue of adhering to reality, sir? Have you no decency?


1. It's not "siezing" when a society places taxes on those who've made great gains from a system that has provided security in both political and economic venues.
This system has provided an educated workforce, secure sources of food and energy along with the infrastructure needed to run industry.
Combine all these things together with others I haven't mentioned and the people who have ended up lucky enough to become very wealthy certainly do owe a debt to this society.

2. As for this fair tax and it's "built in" aspect of paying taxes by the wealthy, I say bunk.
This system has no provisions for taxing corporate gains and assets.
What is there in this plan to stop someone from forming a corporation to buy his goodies tax free? NOTHING!

Stop promoting the wants of your masters over the needs of your peers.

Metaphorically, you are no different than a guy who throws others from a lifeboat to save his own skin.











2089) Message boards : Politics : Fun With Taxes! (Message 693681)
Posted 22 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
But you're wrong. Over %50 of the Americans that are millionaires made those millions on their own and not through inheritance.

The facts fly in your face.

The more socialized a country gets.........like GB...or Germany, or France, or (insert random s.american banana republic here) gets the worse the discrepancy gets.

You keep using phony arguments. I'm beginning to question your honesty, Waite.


What is a millionaire these days?
I'm talking about people with money, not someone who bought 3 or 4 houses in the 60's or 70's.

What is this discrepency you speak of in socialized nations?

By the way, I question your motives and ability to know what's good for you all the time.
2090) Message boards : Politics : Fun with Global Warming - Part Drei! (Message 693320)
Posted 21 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'd love to join your BBQ party.

===================================

Just heard on the Boortz radio program that Australia has a proposal for a $5,000 baby tax to be paid in order to offset each child's 'carbon footprint'. An additional $800 per year tax will be paid as well. Poor people are exempted of course. LOL

Let's all just go back to the mud and live in caves and worship rocks.


Ya...we can all follow this bit of sound advice or we can get our act together and find other ways.
Solar, wind, wave and geothermal energy are but a few choices.

There's no need to get all republican reactionary and tell people the only choices are to continue with this self destructive energy policy or live in the mud.
2091) Message boards : Politics : Torture: Is it ever OK? (Message 693306)
Posted 21 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The leadership in the United States is insane.
Who would have thought discussions of this sort would ever be happening in our lifetime?

I suppose the best way to sort this out is to put the Bush and Cheney families into the dunk tank and then ask these two men if waterboarding is torture.

I think after watching their children's limbs writhing while the glug glugs were ringing in the room, old George and Dick would reconsider their position.

2092) Message boards : Politics : Political Thread [21] (Message 693303)
Posted 21 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
You are way out there when you claim market competition has nothing do with poisons in pet food, children's toys and toothpaste.

That certainly isn't true because you sez so. My claim is simple: poisons in pet food, children's toys and toothpaste are a result of fraud and abject disregard for human life. The type of person that would do that to others will do and has done such things regardless of the political or economic system they live under. The free market doesn't cause fraud, people who initiate fraud or force on others do.

China is a perfect example of market driven economics. They have a ruling class that has decided to maintain control over industry for their own sake, not for the betterment of the citizens.

What?? The gov't in your so-called workers paradise has no interest in the betterment of its citizens??? Shocking. And yet you want to hand gov'ts MORE power, taking it away from its citizens. Smart plan.

They have a system which forces people into economic slavery due to the total control of industry.

More stupid, empty unthinking rhetoric. One paragraph above you say China is "a perfect example of market driven economics," and here you say the gov't has "total control of industry." Those are diametrically opposed, it cannot be both things at the same time. A chair cannot be a chair and a non-chair at the same time.

China has opened it's doors to the west's desire for cheap goods and allowed it's people to work in conditions that are attrocious.
All in the name of gaining market share.

It is your precious market that creates hellholes like this.

Well, then what are you waiting for? Get everyone who thinks as you do to open up some factories over there and pay them whatever the hell you wish. I mean, paying U.S. union scale has worked out so well that American union membership has declined to record lows--I'm sure if you drive costs for Chinese labor through the roof you could *really* help those people...

But you won't. You seem to think that other people owe those workers what you aren't willing to provide for said workers. Odd that, because if you can understand why you can't or won't provide for them, you can understand why others won't do it either.

Greed has no political affiliations.

Yep, and it has nothing to do with the market, the gov't, the political system, or the economic system. It happens because it's a part of the human condition. Since that's true, giving gov'ts more power while simultaneously removing it from the people is just stupid, stupid, stupid.

My suggestion for right now when you read this: just repeat your empty position again. I'm sure that this time it will convince others for sure.


I love the way you split my sentences into seperate entities to make your case.

You are so lame and tiresome.

In reference to China being a perfect example, I WAS SPEAKING IN THE NEGATIVE.
They are an example of what happens to working people in a market driven society.

I AM NOT A SUPPORTER OF COMMUNIST CHINA.

I believe in a form of socialist democracy much like the Scandanavian countries have in place.

BECAUSE I SAID SO.



2093) Message boards : Politics : Fun With Taxes! (Message 693300)
Posted 21 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Are you so ignorant as to believe that wealth is static? You think it grows on trees like acorns? People produce that wealth by their efforts.





Oh so very wrong.
The vast majority of people with wealth came by it by birth.

There are always exceptions to this but statistically, they are insignificant.

Flat tax, fair tax and even no tax are all called for by those with mountains of capital.
These are also the same people who will live in houses and drive cars purchased by their corporations so as to avoid personal taxation.

Those jerks who live in multi-million dollar homes with six hummers in the garage while claiming a personal income of $50,000 a year under the present system are not going to become tax angels under this new sceme.

The only real answer is a return to the progressive taxation system.
Anyone making over four million per year pays 90% income tax on all income over that four million.

Capital gains is another free ride for these guys.
Someone with millions, or even billions invested in the markets pays 15% on this income while working people pick up the slack?

Death tax? Damn right. Families passing on great wealth only serves to cement their claims to entitlment. Family dynasties should be prolonged by working to sustain the dynasty, not simply by passing the wealth down through the generations.
Let's get the wealthy earning their keep as Scary Capitalist claims they already do.

As I've said before, People who've profitted and grown ultra-wealthy from the system have a responsibility, no, they have a duty to pay the system back by way of increased taxes.
This doesn't mean they'll be stripped of their wealth, they just won't be quite as wealthy.
Who gives a crap? They'll still be stinking rich.




2094) Message boards : Politics : Political Thread [21] (Message 692044)
Posted 16 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
[quote]
Notice that these examples your chose happened in a true communist/socialist system? Why? Because they have nothing to do with competition--it's just called fraud. And fraud occurs in the market, it occurs in highly regulated markets (which are still just markets, the cost of regulation just drives costs much higher), it occurs in laissez-faire markets. In short, it occurs EVERYWHERE, regardless of the gov't, the political philosophy, or the market involved. Why? Because costs are always costs, no matter the gov't, the political philosophy, or the market involved, and there is always an incentive lower costs because higher costs are just wasted resources. Competition didn't cause the examples you chose, gross disregard for human life and fraud did.
/quote]

You are way out there when you claim market competition has nothing do with poisons in pet food, children's toys and toothpaste.

China is a perfect example of market driven economics. They have a ruling class that has decided to maintain control over industry for their own sake, not for the betterment of the citizens.
They have a system which forces people into economic slavery due to the total control of industry.

China has opened it's doors to the west's desire for cheap goods and allowed it's people to work in conditions that are attrocious.
All in the name of gaining market share.

It is your precious market that creates hellholes like this.

Greed has no political affiliations.




2095) Message boards : Politics : Political Thread [21] (Message 691677)
Posted 15 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
No one in their right mind wants competition in healthcare.

What has market competion got for you this past year?

Malimine in pet food killing Rover and Whiskers, lead paint on children's toys causing brain damage to babies and lead in the toothpaste you stick in your piehole everyday.

Life is too important to leave to the markets. What part of that are you having trouble understanding?

I don't want a surgeon who saves a buck by sterilizing instruments with dish soap.

The problems in Canada's healthcare system are driven by the big health suppliers in the states lobbying our politicians to open the doors to private healthcare.
The federal government has reduced the percentage of health dollars paid to the provinces by approx 30% in the past decade to drive down the levels of care and make the public more accepting of the lies from the healthcare industry.

The problem isn't the system, the problem is the capitalist pigs looking to line their overfilled pockets with yet more, with a lot of help from their dupes.

Give your heads a shake.
2096) Message boards : Politics : Egoism---an alternative (Message 691283)
Posted 14 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!"

Sounds good to me! ;-))

Whatever you do this holiday season just don't let those millions of men, women, and children that have filled up all of the mass graves in the name of that creed of yours stop you from trying it again.



As always you go off on some self righteous tangent that has no relationship to
reality. Don't worry no one is asking or expecting anything of you, but you already know that.

You quoted a political/philosophic statement. I offered my commentary. According to you I suppose I should conclude that possessing a distaste for mass murder in the name of the philosophy you endorsed is 'self righteous'. So be it.


Karl Marx didn't commit mass murder, so your critism is without foundation.

The philosophy was not the cause of atrocities, nor was the communist system.

The Bolshevik party siezed power and abused the citizenry.

There's a big difference between a political system and a political party.


2097) Message boards : Politics : Political Thread [21] (Message 691106)
Posted 13 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Scary
You draw an unfair comparison by using computers and shoes as an example for competition in the marketplace.
No one in their right mind, no matter how much they may want them, would put themself in a position of bankruptcy and lifelong debt for a computer or a pair of shoes.

The problem with this statement is that if health care were produced like computers, and shoes, and mobile phones, no one would ever have to "put themself in a position of bankruptcy and lifelong debt." (sic)

Why? Because these eeeevil corporations that you so dislike are trying like hell to slaughter each other. In doing so, they drive costs down such that your graphics card or mobile phone probably has more computing power than all of the Apollo missions combined.

There's no reason health care needs to be any different because most of health care is far far more easily produced than the extremely complex electronic devices that are sold for little more than pennies.

In a matter of life or death, material wealth means nothing and the person suffering through a health crisis will spend every penny they've worked hard for all their lives, remortgage their home, sell off assets and borrow as much as the moneylenders will allow to stay alive.

Which only has to happen because the gov't has strangled the system and driven costs through the roof. Why can a simple syringe, consisting of four parts, a tube, plunger, o-ring, and a needle, cost more on a hospital bill than than a mobile phone that cost millions upon millions to develop and produce? Because the gov't has choked the system to death.

If they could get almost all of the care they needed at Wal-mart, going bankrupt wouldn't be an issue.

Healthcare is too important an issue to leave in the hands of the market.

Yay, and since that market has been regulated and meddled to death, the costs of health care is simply beyond the means of poor people. Yet, those very same people can afford mobile phones, color televisions, computers, et cetera.

Those providers of private healthcare know people's desperation at times like these and have absolutely no incentive to reduce costs when the patient, driven by that desperation, will go to extreme levels of debt to pay for the care.

They wouldn't have to do that, any more than they have to go to extreme levels of debt to pay for a mobile phone and service. Why? Because syringes, and drugs, and almost all of health care is no where near as complex and labor intensive as personal electronics. That means that it's easy to drive the costs down, especially as companies compete to put the other out of business. If Sears is charging $2.00 for for a 30 day supply of Vanco, Wal-Mart will do it for $1.00. No one would have to go bankrupt for life saving medical treatment because the treatment does not need to be expensive at all.

Life is a gift and shouldn't be governed by one's level of wealth.

And yet, that's exactly what you've got, courtesy of the gov't meddling in it. The very rich ca buy whatever health care they wish. The poor get to go sit around in emergency rooms and pray because they cannot afford any of it.

Luckily they have their personal electronic devices to pass the time.

You should be thrilled.


Personal electronics are optional, healthcare isn't.

As I stated, there is no incentive to drive costs down when the user/payer is desperate for the service.

And it's not exactly what I've got because I am Canadian with single payer healthcare.

I'll never lose my house due to overwhelming medical bills.
2098) Message boards : Politics : War with Iran? (Message 690810)
Posted 12 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Just the core part:


It's possible that the " common man ", if put in charge, would make absolutely sure that his fellow man was taken care of...but it's more likely that the " common man " would do nothing more than use the power given to him to make sure that he HIMSELF is taken care of.


Remember the saying: "Power corrupts."



Exactly. So why would the " common man " be less corruptible than anyone else??


I wasn't speaking of a single person when I wrote about controlling the force of government.
I was speaking of the collective wisdom of the people and a government that responds to their needs rather than responding to the wants of the elites.
2099) Message boards : Politics : War with Iran? (Message 690761)
Posted 12 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Isn't funny Rush...We both think the other guy is saying nothing.

But I know you're wrong. LOL
2100) Message boards : Politics : War with Iran? (Message 690600)
Posted 11 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Yay, more because I sez so's.

There's only one problem with the capitalist system and that problem is the capitalists.

There's only one problem with the union system and that problem is the unionists.

Everyone needs money to get by in this world, no argument from me there, but the accumulation of great wealth for the sake of simply having it is probably rooted in some form of mental illness.

Everyone needs money to get by in this world, no argument from me there, but the accumulation of great collectives for the sake of simply taking private property from others is probably rooted in some form of mental illness.

How many generations of one's family joining the ranks of the idle rich does it take before these people will be satisfied?

How many generations of one's family joining the ranks of the unemployed unionist does it take before the unionist will be satisfied?

A more fair distribution of a nation's wealth is in order which is why there was a progressive tax system until Reagan tore it apart at the behest of the super wealthy.

A more fair distribution of a nation's wealth is in order which is why there should be a flat tax system, which would take a super popular politician like Reagan to install it at the behest of the super majority of people.

If one prospers within a system that provides security, stability and an educated workforce, doesn't that person owe a debt back to the nation that provided that system?

If one prospers within a system that provides force, punishment, taxation, instability and a poorly educated workforce, doesn't that person owe a himself an extra bonus back to himself for avoiding the pitfalls of that system?

I hereby proclaim that all of the statements I made above, and their implications are true because I sez so!

All hail!


Running out of steam Rush?

No counter-arguments to offer beyond this lame assed mockery?


As to your contention that government = force.

In your crude, simplistic way I guess you're correct.

Now that we sort of agree on that premise the question becomes, who should control that force?

Would you trust the many common working people or the few elites to best wield the force of government?

Should government be a force for the common good, as agreed upon by the democratic process or a force for profit driven corporate interests?

Would you prefer living under Roosevelts "New Deal" or Mussolini's corporate/fascist state?

You love extremes, so pick one dude.
2101) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! III (Message 690294)
Posted 10 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:





Stop complaining, after all, I was a gift.
2102) Message boards : Politics : War with Iran? (Message 690234)
Posted 10 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

What are the 'needs of the people?'

See, you cannot make vague statements like this without elaboration and be taken seriously, R.Waite. I have very different ideas about what the 'needs of the people' are than you do....and people like Jeffrey have different ideas as well.....and the little right wing religious guys got their ideas.....and the socialists have theirs.........and the unionists...........and so on.

Do you see now why you cannot rationally discuss politics without a proper ethical foundation in theory?


People need affordable housing.
People need clean water.
People need clean air.
People need clean food.
People need jobs that pay a living wage.
People need to know that their representatives in government are working to improve things for the benefit of all.
People need education.
People need healthcare.
People need functioning infrastructures in their cities. Gas, electricity, water and sewer, telephone, public transportation, all need to be up to date and providing the service as required at all times.

I don't think anyone can argue against this list, other than to add things I may have not included.







If you genuinely care about these issues then you would support whole heartedly the capitalist system. It's the only one that can provide what you wish for.

However, as usual, I suspect you have ulterior motives that are rooted in your altruist ethos whereby man does not have a right to exist for himself. It's time to fess up and be honest, Robert.


There's only one problem with the capitalist system and that problem is the capitalists.

Everyone needs money to get by in this world, no argument from me there, but the accumulation of great wealth for the sake of simply having it is probably rooted in some form of mental illness.

How many generations of one's family joining the ranks of the idle rich does it take before these people will be satisfied?

A more fair distribution of a nation's wealth is in order which is why there was a progressive tax system until Reagan tore it apart at the behest of the super wealthy.

If one prospers within a system that provides security, stability and an educated workforce, doesn't that person owe a debt back to the nation that provided that system?
2103) Message boards : Politics : War with Iran? (Message 690231)
Posted 10 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
There's the rub

War was entered into for the sake of profiteers like Lockheed Martin, Blackwater and Haliburton.

Why is that? Because there are other people, people just like you, that think that it's OK to use force against others when they agree with it. That means they get the gov't to do their bidding--which is exactly what you want to do. Get the gov't to do your bidding, no matter what I think.

Since the only standard is convincing the gov't of the dire need of a silly program, sometimes you get a bit of what you want, sometimes you get a bit of what they want.

There's no reason for invading the likes of Iraq or Iran. They haven't done squat to the American people, besides protesting your government's involvement in their internal politics.

Yep, but you want the power to convince gov't to enforce your silly programs. You can't have it both ways. You see, this isn't about "reason," it's just about getting your way enforced on others.

This is about creating profit from destruction and chaos, nothing more.

So what? They managed to get the gov't to do as they wish. Just as you want to get the gov't to do as you wish. Both sides need massive taxes to support their stupidity, so you just disagree on what to spend what you took from your precious "working people," on.

If good ol' George Bush was honest about seeking vengence over Sept 11 you'd be building bases in Saudi Arabia right now after overthrowing the Saudi royal family.

Nice. So you're prefer he was honest and started swatting that little hornets nest too? That's another smart plan.

You seem full of them.


I refuse to fall into speaking in terms of force when it comes to government programs to benefit it's people.

Government evolved as a means of structuring the lives and business of the people, not as a power to be used to force ideas onto other soveriegn peoples.

As for your implication that I would like to see the U.S. invade Saudi Arabia, I think you must really be stretching the levels of credibility.

I used that example as part of my argument that invasions of other countries under the pretext Bush used is immoral.

There were no Iraqis or Iranians involved in the attacks against America.
There were Saudis involved.

Does this mean that I believe that an entire country is guilty by association?
NO.

Does that mean I approve of invading Saudi Arabia because of the actions of some Saudi nationals?
NO.
2104) Message boards : Politics : War with Iran? (Message 690227)
Posted 10 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
kook


I realize there's a point being made by this on another level.

But, I thought we'd gone beyond this and buried that hatchet.
2105) Message boards : Politics : War with Iran? (Message 690147)
Posted 9 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
People need affordable housing.
People need clean water.
People need clean air.
People need clean food.
People need jobs that pay a living wage.
People need to know that their representatives in government are working to improve things for the benefit of all.
People need education.
People need healthcare.
People need functioning infrastructures in their cities. Gas, electricity, water and sewer, telephone, public transportation, all need to be up to date and providing the service as required at all times.

I don't think anyone can argue against this list, other than to add things I may have not included.


So give it to them.

What are you waiting for? Nothing is stopping you from doing so. There are no laws preventing you from doing so. Get all those former UAW types off their asses with all that labor they have so much of and provide it for people.


C'mon Rush...let's try and keep it real.
I'm just short a couple of billion on getting this going.
2106) Message boards : Politics : War with Iran? (Message 690144)
Posted 9 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
What I find even more interesting is the apparent no-problemo attitude about the information I posted about Lockheed Martin and their continuing drive to profit from every aspect of the war.

Lockheed Martin cannot declare war, nor can it force anyone to buy it's products. Very few people indeed can afford an F-22 Raptor.

It profits because the gov't you want meddling in the lives of others continues to do so.


There's the rub

War was entered into for the sake of profiteers like Lockheed Martin, Blackwater and Haliburton.
There's no reason for invading the likes of Iraq or Iran. They haven't done squat to the American people, besides protesting your government's involvement in their internal politics.

This is about creating profit from destruction and chaos, nothing more.

If good ol' George Bush was honest about seeking vengence over Sept 11 you'd be building bases in Saudi Arabia right now after overthrowing the Saudi royal family.
2107) Message boards : Politics : War with Iran? (Message 690140)
Posted 9 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

What are the 'needs of the people?'

See, you cannot make vague statements like this without elaboration and be taken seriously, R.Waite. I have very different ideas about what the 'needs of the people' are than you do....and people like Jeffrey have different ideas as well.....and the little right wing religious guys got their ideas.....and the socialists have theirs.........and the unionists...........and so on.

Do you see now why you cannot rationally discuss politics without a proper ethical foundation in theory?


People need affordable housing.
People need clean water.
People need clean air.
People need clean food.
People need jobs that pay a living wage.
People need to know that their representatives in government are working to improve things for the benefit of all.
People need education.
People need healthcare.
People need functioning infrastructures in their cities. Gas, electricity, water and sewer, telephone, public transportation, all need to be up to date and providing the service as required at all times.

I don't think anyone can argue against this list, other than to add things I may have not included.





2108) Message boards : Politics : War with Iran? (Message 690132)
Posted 9 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
What I find even more interesting is the apparent no-problemo attitude about the information I posted about Lockheed Martin and their continuing drive to profit from every aspect of the war.
2109) Message boards : Politics : War with Iran? (Message 690127)
Posted 9 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Rush, the more I read your posts, the more convinced I am that you have anarchist leanings.

Not the anarchist, popularized by the corporate press, with a long scraggy beard, dark overcoat and a bomb in hand.
Rather the anarchist with a vision of a total rethink of society leading to the removal of the hiearchic form of government leaving a system where decisions are made by an informed, educated population.

Or you seek total corporate governance. It's a toss-up on which way you lean.

The powers of government to enforce it's will can be for the good or to the detriment of it's people.

Who's version of what is for the good is the question.
Those in power at this point in time argue that they are creating wealth, period.
That is the only goal in a corporate state.
I desire a form of government that puts the needs of it's people first. No one is left to fend for themself when they fall on hard times or when they face a health crisis.
The resourses of government are the property of the people.

2110) Message boards : Politics : Fun with Global Warming - Part Drei! (Message 690101)
Posted 9 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
You are destined to stick around for a while though, Jeff.

Please stop, you're frightening me... ;)


Death is supposed to be frightening to some.

And even more frightening to you would be the fact that I don't do requests....lol


That's not what I've heard.... :-P


Well...you are still here....that should pretty well prove it, eh?? ;-)


Are you backing out on our deal???
Gimme back my firstborn son right now!
2111) Message boards : Politics : War with Iran? (Message 690098)
Posted 9 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Rush, I don't know how to respond to your last post.

You claim that I evade issues (I don't think I do) then go on to post something like that.

You know that the government actions being taken by the U.S. are not of the type I am looking for, yet you say that I should be happy.
Are you saying that's what we get for having government in the first place or that I should agree with every government action because I believe in a strong central government that is accountable to the people?

As for which party starts wars, I see no substantive difference between the two parties in your country other than the hard core money crazies leaning toward the republicans.
Both parties are corporate friendly and allow the corporate lobby to actually write bills to be voted into law.
Both parties allow industry to choose the people government places in oversight positions to regulate industry.

I'm really disappointed at the inability of the American public to understand the concept of a third party. You are collectively afraid to cast a ballot for someone like Nader because he represents an unknown.

He didn't split the left vote last time, he was the left. The other two are both right of centre, let's call them hard right and light right.
2112) Message boards : Politics : War with Iran? (Message 690013)
Posted 9 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
You use the word, 'corporate', as if it's some kind of boogeyman word. What are you really talking about?

Lay it out plain for us. In some ways you sound like those right wing kooks that are always talking about 'communist conspiracies' and so on.

(prepares self for the usual Halliburton rant)


Here's an example of what is happening in this new corporate method of warfare.

This year, Lockheed Martin started buying healthcare companies.
Lockheed Martin also bought Pacific Architects and Engineers.
This corporation is in position to profit from every aspect of this new form of warfare from production and sales of weapons systems and fighter jets to engineering and rebuilding what their weapons have destroyed.
They are now also able to treat the wounded after their weapon systems have killed and injured people in the strike zones.

This is all sourced from the Financial Times, not made up by some conspiracy kook.

There's absolutely no incentive for the war to ever be over when corporations are profiting from every angle.
When they've bombed the hell out of a city, treated the wounded and finished rebuilding they will be on the lookout for another target.

The scariest part of this corporatizing effort is the mercenary armies being created. Private corporate armies have more troops on the ground in Iraq than the U.S. military. This is madness.


2113) Message boards : Politics : War with Iran? (Message 689849)
Posted 8 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
This is exactly what I was going on about before.

The corporate war machine is driven to seek new wars. This will never end as long as the American government allows the profiteering to continue.

The taxpayers are being pillaged to the tune of billions of dollars by a neocon ideology that only provides a promise of more death and destruction while enriching a select few.

Iran has many grievances with American interference in their country, from CIA lead coupes to direct sales of arms to the Iraqis during their war, but remember this, the Iranians were also the first country in the middle east to express solidarity with the American people after the Sept 11 attacks.

They pose no danger other than what has been told by Bush and Cheney to justify their continued support for this corporate war machine they've created.

The actions taken by the leadership in America are against every international law.
Pre-emptive strikes against countries that may, at some point in the distant future, develop weapons that scare you is not a legitimate reason for invading.

The U.S. is being lead by corporate vikings who are supported by corporate pirates.
2114) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Why not install a webcam in the Seti@home lab ? (Message 689842)
Posted 8 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Keep in mind that most people resent having cameras pointed at them in the workplace.
Besides, if you want to watch someone punching away at a keyboard or reading reams of printouts for hours on end, it may be time to get a hobby. LOL
2115) Message boards : Politics : Political Thread [21] (Message 689840)
Posted 8 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Scary
You draw an unfair comparison by using computers and shoes as an example for competition in the marketplace.
No one in their right mind, no matter how much they may want them, would put themself in a position of bankruptcy and lifelong debt for a computer or a pair of shoes.

In a matter of life or death, material wealth means nothing and the person suffering through a health crisis will spend every penny they've worked hard for all their lives, remortgage their home, sell off assets and borrow as much as the moneylenders will allow to stay alive.

Healthcare is too important an issue to leave in the hands of the market.
Those providers of private healthcare know people's desperation at times like these and have absolutely no incentive to reduce costs when the patient, driven by that desperation, will go to extreme levels of debt to pay for the care.

Life is a gift and shouldn't be governed by one's level of wealth.
2116) Message boards : Politics : War with Iran? (Message 689345)
Posted 6 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Latest reports on this new National Intelligence Estimate that I'm hearing discussed indicate that only one of their programs is believed to have been stopped. They're still building those centrifuges that they need to make material for nuclear weapons.

The Bush administration, as usual, is completely inept at properly explaining to the public things in their own defense.


The centrifuges that have been discussed are actually not necessary for the manufacture of an atomic bomb.
That was from a nuclear expert interviewed on the radio a while ago. I don't remember his name.

Explaining things is not the only thing the Bush administration is completely inept at.

The only thing they've been successful at is gutting government and allowing corporations the opportunity to take control of many vital functions, including intelligence.
I'm not promoting the CIA but at least they have been accountable to the government and people of the U.S. rather than to an unaccountable corporate board.
2117) Message boards : Politics : War with Iran? (Message 689342)
Posted 6 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
if you don't believe me about how long it takes to do stuff ask robert waite how long it takes them to tool up to do a new model car that they plan years in advance to do.


???

I'm not a car guy.
2118) Message boards : Politics : War with Iran? (Message 688985)
Posted 5 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Now that the US government has privatized almost every aspect of "Homeland Defense", including much of what employees in the Pentagon have traditionally done and almost everything to do with the military, including warefare, there is only one outcome.
A continuing search for places to engage in conflict.

Why? Because you sez so? So what are they waiting for?

Besides, you seem thrilled with gov't meddling, this isn't any different.

The "War on Terror" is a corporate wetdream. Untold billions are going to be funnelled from your government into the coffers of the corporations selling security services to the US.
Terrorism is a tactic, not a defined enemy. This will go on forever if not put in check.
1984 may have come a little late, but Orwell was a visionary.

Maybe, he should have had Winston start writing that book a few years earlier, he could have demonstrated how people had utterly begged the gov't to meddle in their lives.

They begged Big Brother to save them. And "save them" he did.


I think you'd best reread what I posted Rush.
This isn't government meddling. This is government abdicating.

There is a huge ideological difference between warfare conducted by a democratically elected and responsible goverment and this state of simply becoming the bankroller of corporate armies.

There's a situation developing here where a single corporate entity is involved in every aspect of a conflict from small arms to jet fighters on one hand, while providing relief and medical aid on the other.

What incentive is there to end a war with profits like this?
2119) Message boards : Politics : Egoism---an alternative (Message 688211)
Posted 3 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
OK Rush, thanks for that.

But this doesn't mean I won't go RRRRRRRRR when I read some of your stuff.

LOL
2120) Message boards : Politics : Egoism---an alternative (Message 688177)
Posted 3 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Your position would have been stronger had you never started such silliness.


You are correct in this and I will attempt to be more civil in future.

I was angered by another and lumped three of you together in that anger.

I don't believe you've resorted to name calling so I apologize.

2121) Message boards : Politics : Egoism---an alternative (Message 687991)
Posted 2 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Me--still unnamed. Can stick with 'Scary Capitalist' for now
Rush---Barney Fife (ps he's had the 'Rush' nickname well before the Limbaugh character became a national radio personality.
Brainsmasher-- 'Mouth'. I presume you mean him...(I have to guess alot with you)
Ted Bundy---Is that Tom Daley?


I called Rush Barney Fife due to his blustering claims of working people needing him while in fact he has no hiring/firing abilities at all.
He has since started refering to those who hire/fire people as them or they indicating he realizes he was over the top on that claim.


I can probably stop using the Barney tag now.

You presume correctly who Mouth is and he's the first to use namecalling in any of the exchanges.

I have not had an exchange with Tom Daley and Ted Bundy is not in reference to him.












2122) Message boards : Politics : Egoism---an alternative (Message 687987)
Posted 2 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
By the way, Robert Waite. The above several exchanges between me and Jason are a good example of how to engage in discourse. We each exchange ideas, clarify them when queried, specify things unclear, remain polite, and evolve through the logical and reasoning process so that we are closer to clarity in thoughts within our given frameworks. Each of us expresses himself fully and makes points and counterpoints, all the while remaining civil.

See? Even though he and I agree on many things the same type of format is possible to those that don't. Of course, this involves a mutual commitment to intellectual honesty.

I welcome you to adhere to that sort of basic level of decorum with your submissions. Noone thinks you'll agree with the others that disagree with you, although I hope you will; but the proper rational approach is what's needed in order to actually carry out any sort of meaningful discussion of whatever ideas you hold.


I believe you'll find, if you go back to read other threads, that I was not the first to start the name calling trend.
It was started by the Mouth.
If you'll notice, I also don't get in the gutter unless invited by the other person.
In one exchange, I can't remember who it was, we disagreed on almost everything but were quite civil to each other and I thanked him for a thread that didn't become a pissing contest.
2123) Message boards : Politics : Egoism---an alternative (Message 687812)
Posted 2 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Never answer questions???

Between yourself, Barney Fife and the Mouth I've faced an avalanche of right wing ego crap from the get go.

I don't have time to respond to every "Do I own my...whatever" from you and "Cause you sez so" from Barney and then whatever Ted Bundy babbles about between drinks.

I make my points and you make yours....no need to get all republican about it.

Case in point...right now I'm going to bed to get a good nights sleep for the food drive in the morning.
Don't worry, I won't knock on your door.
The homeless need food, not a lecture.
2124) Message boards : Politics : Egoism---an alternative (Message 687738)
Posted 2 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Your understanding of rational self interest is a stunted one. It's the kind of conceptual low level understanding of a child who's been scolded for not sharing his toys with his little sibling.


I notice a theme in all of your posts.
Kind of a monkey see, monkey do thing going here.

Everything you post seems paraphrased from other sources with no personal thoughts added.

Take these quotes above, paraphrased from a much earlier post of mine regarding egoism and those who rely on the philosophical justifications put forth by other egoists.

On top of that, your metaphors are flat out wrong.
Remember our roles. I'm the one who wishes to share and YOU"RE the one who claims the right to be selfish.

Could you at least use your own thoughts once in a while Scary?

Of course, you can always justify this too by exercising your egotistic selfish nature and claim everything written as your own.

You're as shallow as piss on a plate and for all of your raving, you have nothing to say.
But I will admit that for someone with nothing to say, you sure say it loud and long.








2125) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Left Brain/Right Brain Test---Can You Spin Her? (Message 687497)
Posted 1 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
First glimpse was anti-clockwise
but very quickly could visualize either direction.
2126) Message boards : Politics : Egoism---an alternative (Message 687220)
Posted 1 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

I advocate selfishness in bed, at dinner, at work, while viewing art, while driving, while walking, while showering, while doing any damn thing.



I believe that degree of selfishness makes you one popular dude at Christmas.

It sure does. I selfishly spread glad tidings and good cheer with each jolly Ho Ho Ho footstep I take each Christmas season.


Yaaaa....
Let's see,

Selfish in bed = frustrated wife/girlfriend = boyfriend on the side.

Selfish at dinner = you take prime cuts while the burned ends are left for others = not invited to dinner often.

Selfish while viewing art = standing in front of others to obstruct view = kick in ass.

Selfish while driving = finger and higher insurance rates for others.

Selfish while walking = who cares.

Selfish while showering = using all the hot water in the morning = must live alone (that's a no-brainer)

Party on Garth
2127) Message boards : Politics : Fun with Gov't Meddling - Part Trois (Message 687210)
Posted 1 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

That people want homes, air conditioning, internet access, and a much higher standard of living, and not another Soviet 5 year plan or the standard of living in the DPRK suggests that your empty opinion are just that. Empty.


I agree with you (I never thought I'd type those words)

People want everything you've listed, and more.

How do we all achieve this goal?

Do we all follow the corporatist plan toward this great and wonderful future?

The path you've been advocating is one that leads to lower wages to ensure the elites keep North Americans employed.

By following your advice, people will decertify their unions because unions have priced themselves out of the market. Leading to individually negotiated contracts of employment where the employer has the upper hand in that they will have the ability to play the individuals against each other in a reverse bidding war just to simply retain employment.

So, as I see it, (because I seez it) in order to keep jobs from leaving North America or from being automated, working people will have to work for less to obtain that edge in the competition for jobs with the third world and they will have to give up their collective bargaining rights, give up benefits such as pensions and healthcare and allow corporations to pay no taxes.

If they could only see the error of their ways, the consumer utopia you foresee will magically appear before their eyes.

People will have everything if they will work for nothing.

Does that sum up your idea of a workable plan for working people?

A little piece of advice for you...don't run for public office on that platform.








2128) Message boards : Politics : Egoism---an alternative (Message 687202)
Posted 1 Dec 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

I advocate selfishness in bed, at dinner, at work, while viewing art, while driving, while walking, while showering, while doing any damn thing.



I believe that degree of selfishness makes you one popular dude at Christmas.





2129) Message boards : Politics : Fun with Gov't Meddling - Part Trois (Message 686960)
Posted 30 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
It is indeed uncharacteristic of you.

Which leads me to believe the regular guy in the basement cubicle is off sick today and you're just a temp.
2130) Message boards : Politics : Fun with Gov't Meddling - Part Trois (Message 686954)
Posted 30 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'd swear that the two of you are getting paid by the "ARI",
for every word of "Drivel you Spew".


That's funny.

I had a similar thought the other day.
Rush, Scary, Smashedbrain and a few others are actually all one person sitting in a corporate basement cubicle surrounded by a dozen computers.

His/her job is to spread corporate/elitist manure in message boards around the world.

Get out now!
Get some fresh air into your lungs!
Let the sun shine on your face!

No one buys this garbage.

We know that all of your plans will lead to ruination, degredation, foulness and corruption in the end.
Unchecked corporate capitalism is a blight on the face of the Earth and people will oppose it.

Cause I sez so


How will it lead to ruination? Somehow?
You continue to rant on without ever adducing evidence or facts or even using reasoned arguments. Unsupported assertions are empty. If you're right explain how why don't you? Or are the things you believe just something you 'feel'.


You disagree with ruination.

Therefore, by your logic, by not including degradation, foulness and corruption means you agree with me on those terms.
2131) Message boards : Politics : Fun with Gov't Meddling - Part Trois (Message 686950)
Posted 30 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Pffft. You've managed to prove that yet another fool with an axe to grind has figured out how to use a computer and make a website.

You still haven't produced any arguments though. Furthermore, you haven't even bothered to address the Law of the Sea treaty which this thread is about. You're just using your posts as an opportunity to knock Rush and I around.



Who wants to spend endless hours arguing the bloody obvious with you two?
We aren't being paid to do this.

The sea beds belong to the world.

Stop being the schoolyard bully and expecting the rest of the world to submit to your will.
2132) Message boards : Politics : Fun with Gov't Meddling - Part Trois (Message 686944)
Posted 30 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'd swear that the two of you are getting paid by the "ARI",
for every word of "Drivel you Spew".


That's funny.

I had a similar thought the other day.
Rush, Scary, Smashedbrain and a few others are actually all one person sitting in a corporate basement cubicle surrounded by a dozen computers.

His/her job is to spread corporate/elitist manure in message boards around the world.

Get out now!
Get some fresh air into your lungs!
Let the sun shine on your face!

No one buys this garbage.

We know that all of your plans will lead to ruination, degredation, foulness and corruption in the end.
Unchecked corporate capitalism is a blight on the face of the Earth and people will oppose it.

Cause I sez so

2133) Message boards : Politics : Big Brother part 2 (Message 686711)
Posted 30 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital.
Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could not have existed if labor had not first existed.
Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.


This is so logical, no matter who spoke it first. The capital is produced by labor (since it's not the dollar bills that operate the machines but the workers).
If there is no labor, there will be no capital. Let the labor stop - in the entire country, for a couple days or a week (called a General Strike) - do you think those who own the capital will still get the same win? On the other side: workers even work if you just promise them to pay for their work. Labor - meaning the workers - just produce the capital which is then partly used for investing in more labor (or in paying for the work already done) which produces more capital etc (like a coil). Labor can exist without capital, but capital only exists by labor.
Hence it's the labor which is the superior, not the capital - that's also why I respect the working class much more than the CEOs and other rich parasites who do nothing but letting "their money" work for them.


Right on Thorin

We can get by without capitalists but they can't get by without us.

If the whole system collapsed tomorrow, no electricity, no machines, no nothing.
Working people would, after the initial shock, simply fall back on the old system of cooperation and barter in exchange for goods and services.

Under that system, there was no allowance for greed or sloth.

If you didn't produce, you died.

All the money in the world won't help if money was only useful as firestarter.
2134) Message boards : Politics : Big Brother part 2 (Message 686709)
Posted 30 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Labour existed before the concept of money.

People laboured to build villages, farms, wells and everything else needed by the community.
Before money became the common unit of trade or exchange, it was a barter system consisting of payment with direct labour or goods produced by labour.

The capitalist builds nothing and produces nothing.

The capitalist merely invests in the abilities of others to build and produce.

The capitalist doesn't sweat in the factory, the capitalist simply collects his dividend.

The capitalist doesn't assemble Rush's precious cars, he simply moves jobs overseas to increase profits.

Labour builds and produces everything needed by society in exchange for some small scaps from the table of the Caligula capitalists and some people in here think those crumbs received by labour are too big.

Do those who say working people are overpaid actually think we believe that they are going to approach their masters and ask for a pay cut to show their true committment to that belief?

I didn't think so.
2135) Message boards : Politics : Big Brother part 2 (Message 686380)
Posted 29 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Oh my, I accidently ommitted something from my last post. LOL

You reactionaries aren't arguing against my thoughts...but I did get the result I wanted.

Those words are from Abraham Lincoln.

Shall we enter a debate over what a lousy socialist bastard he was or are you going to open your eyes and realize that at different times in history, the drive to aquire money has not been the most important thing in life.

I can't believe the kneejerk reactions and yet, you call me stupid?
2136) Message boards : Politics : Big Brother part 2 (Message 686177)
Posted 29 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:




You seem to feel you have some right to the private property of others. They know that you do not, and they fight your position with all they can. As the costs of your position rise, they just buy robots, or send your jobs overseas, or cease using unions, which is why union membership in the U.S. has plummeted to record lows.

For example, those costs had risen so high in Germany that BMW decided to build the X5 (and others) exclusively in the U.S., using non-union workers, and then ship them all over the world, rather than use unionized German autoworkers. How many jobs did that create for Germany unions? Zero. They lost every single one of those jobs.

You know full well that without those companies, unions can't build cars, or do anything else. They never have, and they never will because they aren't willing or capable of doing what GM does--which is sell cars and make a profit.

Something the UAW has never been able to do.


Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital.
Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could not have existed if labor had not first existed.
Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.



2137) Message boards : Politics : which US Presidential candidate would best serve space exploration? (Message 685643)
Posted 28 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

No, they abhor strong gov'ts because the dislike the cronyism, War in Iraq, the CIA, the DoD, corporate welfare, the NHS, HMS Invincible, and et cetera. They dislike paying for massive weapons systems or paying for school for children that they don't have.


Let me just get you to repeat this.

The corporatists and republicans hate strong government because of...

Cronyism...both entities thrive because of this

War in Iraq...both entities started this

CIA...both make inmmense use of this

DoD...both enrich themselves through this

Corporate welfare...see DoD response

NHS...one entity makes billions by the lack of healthcare and the other is a collection of selfish *#@^#! with no regard for those who cannot afford it.

Massive Weapons Systems...see DoD response

Paying for Schooling...More selfish *#@^#!

Well, I'm convinced. Only a pure Bushtard could pull something like that out of their *ss to prove their point.

Good night Barney.




2138) Message boards : Politics : which US Presidential candidate would best serve space exploration? (Message 685633)
Posted 28 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
To reduce government to such a weakened state as to allow it's domination by the corporate community is the stated goal of republicans and corporatists.

"My goal is to cut government in half in twenty-five years, to get it down to the size where we can drown it in the bathtub."
Grover Norquist

Ever hear of the "Leave Us Alone Coalition"?

Norquist started it and it's "Wednesday Meeting" is a regular who's who of the republican party.

President George Bush sends a representative to every meeting, as does Vice-President Dick Cheney.

Also included in the role call of the "Wednesday Meeting" are GOP congressional leaders, members of right wing think tanks and the usual K Street lobbyists.

Removing power from government and handing that same power to corporations is the end game.
A strong central government is unacceptable to these people (and their followers) as it represents the will of the people over the wants of the wealthy.

Of course, recently this has become more theoretical in the minds of republicans because the will of the people means nothing to them.

In answer to your question, small government is the same as no government when it comes to having the strength to reign in corporate power.
2139) Message boards : Politics : How do you fix this cesspool of lies and profit? (Message 685169)
Posted 27 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
After thousands of blustering words, it turns out you aren't self employed, self reliant or independantly wealthy...you're just another lacky.

You work for a master and like all cowards who lick the boots of the masters, you'll throw others from the lifeboat to save yourself.
Not something to be proud of, is it?

All this time spouting off, telling people to start their own business and take control of their own circumstances, and it turns out you're just another wannabe.

You're like that pig Rush Limbaugh, spending your time eating Cheezies and watching porn while telling working people how to live and what to think.

You crack me up Rush Jr.

We don't need entry level managers (if you've even reached that level) for our well being and continued employment.
Hell man, you can't hire and fire people. You go through life praying one of your masters will just stop, if only for a moment, to listen to one of your suggestions

You're delusional.

You just made my day. So long Barney Fife. I'll sleep well now. LOL
2140) Message boards : Politics : How do you fix this cesspool of lies and profit? (Message 685156)
Posted 27 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I think this individualist attitude, where selfish wants overide communal needs, is the core focus of the battle.

Which is why you will always fail, mostly because humans are individuals and many of them will never place your collective ahead of their lives and the lives of their families.

In fact, I don't need your collective, and if I do, I freely choose to contract with it, or not.


If you were in my union and actively undermining every effort, as you so proudly proclaimed, I'd have you before a trial board for conduct and cause detrimental to the welfare of the union.
You'd be out on your butt.

The point being...the collective doesn't need you.
2141) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Christmas Is Coming (Message 684894)
Posted 26 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
It's the winter solstice nearing...anything else is disputable legend.


While I agree, I won't be on a pilgrimage to Stonehenge.
I'll still be doing the Christmas gig. LOL
It just feels good.
2142) Message boards : Politics : Egoism---an alternative (Message 684892)
Posted 26 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I think along the same lines when it comes to the industries essential to national security and to utilities we all need to live.

I'd socialize oil, water, electricity, telephone (land lines only), roads, highways and natural gas for starters.
I'd socialize the means of provision also. Transmission lines, pipelines, refineries, all publicly owned.

Hmmmm, lets see. A monopoly such as Microsoft is wrong even when it really isn't a monopoly (given the choice of Mac, Linux, BSD, et cetera).

Yet, you think it's a good idea to to create an actual monopolies, enforced by the power of law, taking choice away from the individual and stifling creativity. What a smart plan.

The security provided by reliable sources of supply and production would be a poke in the eye to the CEO worshippers and a Godsend to the general public.

Heh. You and Thorin had better get busy on building that wall.


I can dream can't I?

Remove the gigantic profits from these industries and run them as a non-profit to keep costs down for the users.
Lots of jobs and reasonable, affordable rates.

You don't like it because no one gets rich.
2143) Message boards : Politics : Big Brother part 2 (Message 684890)
Posted 26 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Yes, I would mind.
Your circuitous thought proccesses are wearing thin again.
2144) Message boards : Politics : which US Presidential candidate would best serve space exploration? (Message 684883)
Posted 26 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Are you voting for David Duke again...?


Actually I voted for Bobby Jindal

Sorta slaps your racist propaganda right in the kisser, eh coach?



Read this guy's position on selected issues and if the name and picture were blocked out....you would be convinced it was Duke.

Nice example of your good heart mouth.
2145) Message boards : Politics : Egoism---an alternative (Message 684878)
Posted 26 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Imho all enterprises with more than a handful employees never should be owned by a few people or by banks. Simply because the workers are not treated as humans anymore but just as items on the cost list. Put all bigger enterprises in common property, let the community/ State/ country/ government possess all stocks (or at least most) of all shares that are not given to the employees of that particular company - then maybe there will be more justice.

But anyway: this stock gambling must be stopped immediately, because it has brought too much misery and poverty to the people.


I think along the same lines when it comes to the industries essential to national security and to utilities we all need to live.

I'd socialize oil, water, electricity, telephone (land lines only), roads, highways and natural gas for starters.
I'd socialize the means of provision also. Transmission lines, pipelines, refineries, all publicly owned.

The security provided by reliable sources of supply and production would be a poke in the eye to the CEO worshippers and a Godsend to the general public.





2146) Message boards : Politics : Egoism---an alternative (Message 684872)
Posted 26 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I suppose one could buy shares in the motorcycle and then you could take a turn around the block.

The analogy to shares is dumbfoundingly simplistic.

The motorcycle is 100% privately owned by a human being.
Stocks are publicly traded and available to everyone with disposable income they are willing to risk.

While I do recall riding the motorcycle, I have no memory of taking possession of anyone's stocks.

I have to assume you understand the concept of theft and that it doesn't apply to union negotiations with the employer if that's the angle you intend to pursue.
2147) Message boards : Politics : Big Brother part 2 (Message 684809)
Posted 26 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I've never been in a union before being hired by a company.
Once hired, one joins the union or opts out through the Rand formula which allows a working person the right to not join a union while still being part of the workforce.

Under the Rand ruling, a person has the option to not join from the beginning of employment or later, if unsatisfied with the union, one has 30 days from the signing of a new collective agreement to opt out.

Having pointed this out, I hope to see your pro-union posts starting soon.

So, then you wouldn't mind at all if GM simply ceased using unions entirely? Or if they hired only people who signed a separate contract with the company, agreeing as a condition of employment not to join a union?


Good call...coersion is a big weapon in the right wing playbook.

What you suggest is probably worth some prison time if a company representative was found doing this.
2148) Message boards : Politics : Big Brother part 2 (Message 684806)
Posted 26 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

You do realize, that there is no "Chicago School of Economics," right? That it's just a school of thought?


You can try to argue semantics til you're blue in the face, these were your words.

As I've stated, the term is synonymous and directly connected to the economics dep't of the University of Chicago.
Using the line that there are other opinons expressed doesn't take away from the fact that the school exists.

2149) Message boards : Politics : Egoism---an alternative (Message 684801)
Posted 26 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:



What if me and a number of my friends get together and form a collective and we all vote to ride your brother's bike whenever we want to?

Is that OK? I mean, he doesn't know any of us individually, and he has no incentive to let us ride his bike, therefore he won't listen to us.

I mean, it is OK that we band together to take his private property simply because we are in a union?

Because if you can understand why your brother doesn't want our little union to take away a part of his private property and why we have no right to demand that, you can understand why corporations don't want your union to take away a part of their private property and why you don't have the right to demand that.


OK...go out and have your gang legally recognized as a labour or trade union with it's own constitution, political structure and by-laws. Then we'll talk.
Until that point, this is nonsense.
2150) Message boards : Politics : Big Brother part 2 (Message 684797)
Posted 26 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Well, would you mind if the employer stopped hiring members of your union, or dismissed those that chose to join it?

No one is saying that there's anything wrong with collective bargaining power, as long as no one is forced to join or prevented from working.



?
I've never been in a union before being hired by a company.
Once hired, one joins the union or opts out through the Rand formula which allows a working person the right to not join a union while still being part of the workforce.

Under the Rand ruling, a person has the option to not join from the beginning of employment or later, if unsatisfied with the union, one has 30 days from the signing of a new collective agreement to opt out.

Having pointed this out, I hope to see your pro-union posts starting soon.



2151) Message boards : Politics : Big Brother part 2 (Message 684795)
Posted 26 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

That that crap happens has nothing to do with any particular school of economic thought, and everything to do with the willingness of humans to sometimes initiate force or fraud against others. That happens under every economic system and every political system because humans sometimes prey on each other.

That has nothing to do with economic theory.


In a country where the rule of law and democracy is healthy the predatory instincts of the powerful is minimalized.

When the the rights of citizens are disregarded in the drive to wealth and profit anywhere in the world, you'll find the Chicago School involved. Period.









2152) Message boards : Politics : Big Brother part 2 (Message 684790)
Posted 26 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Denial or ignorance?

Take your little google search and tell me that again.

One of the great innovations of the University of Chicago's Economics Dep't has been to offer scholarships to students from the countries on which they have set their sights.

I don't need a Google search as my bachelor's degree from DePaul is in Economics and Political Science. Should you wish to discuss the various differences between economic skools of thought, I am more than capable.

There is a difference between the University of Chicago Department of Economics, and the Chicago school of economic thought. One is a department of U of C, the other is a school of thought that has nothing to do with attendance at the U of C itself. There are plenty of Chicago school economists and Austrian school economists, none of whom have ever been to Chicago, the U of C, or Austria.

Once these "students" return to their home country, they end up highly placed in government positions and the influence of the Friedman cultists is complete.

Then we can sit back and watch the mass arrests and torture of those opposed.
It happens every time.

Why, because you sez it does?

That that crap happens has nothing to do with any particular school of economic thought, and everything to do with the willingness of humans to sometimes initiate force or fraud against others. That happens under every economic system and every political system because humans sometimes prey on each other.

That has nothing to do with economic theory.


This is typical of many of your responses Rush.

The term Chicago School is synonymous with the far right wing teachings of the university's dep't of economics.

You can play around with words all day but there is a physical school where this crap is taught.
It is NOT simply a school of thought.

It's not because I sez it.
You need a new catch phrase.
2153) Message boards : Politics : Egoism---an alternative (Message 684776)
Posted 26 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
What colour is the sky in your world Rush?
2154) Message boards : Politics : Big Brother part 2 (Message 684771)
Posted 26 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The erosion of freedom begins with attitudes like the ones you've shown here.

Yet you have no problem when you choose to erode the freedom of others to choose not to hire you.

Note the irony there?


What does a belief in the collective power of the workforce have to do with hiring?

I have never had a problem getting work because I believe that anyone earning a union wage should put in a hard days work to earn it.

If unions say that the best work is done by a union workforce, then we have to live up to it.
And I do.
2155) Message boards : Politics : Big Brother part 2 (Message 684767)
Posted 26 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Like 30 or more members of your SETI group...you contribute nothing.

I'd like to see you banned for what you've posted here.

Nice.

Should you be banned for what you've posted here?


Are you sad because your team has so many 0's beside the majority of names? LOL
2156) Message boards : Politics : Big Brother part 2 (Message 684763)
Posted 26 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

You do realize, that there is no "Chicago School of Economics," right? That it's just a school of thought?


Denial or ignorance?

Take your little google search and tell me that again.

One of the great innovations of the University of Chicago's Economics Dep't has been to offer scholarships to students from the countries on which they have set their sights.

Once these "students" return to their home country, they end up highly placed in government positions and the influence of the Friedman cultists is complete.

Then we can sit back and watch the mass arrests and torture of those opposed.
It happens every time.




2157) Message boards : Politics : which US Presidential candidate would best serve space exploration? (Message 684735)
Posted 26 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
So your contention is that someone opposed to government dependence cannot also possess the very basic human desire to help his fellow man? Not to mention gaining a better sense of self-worth by working rather than by reaching for my wallet. Apparently you don't know much about people and human nature at all...

"Give a man a fish, you feed him for a day, TEACH a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime"....think about it.



LOL

Forgive me Mother Theresa, for I have wronged you.

LOL
2158) Message boards : Politics : which US Presidential candidate would best serve space exploration? (Message 684626)
Posted 26 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Why do you guys got to run down Brainsmasher's job all the time? I've seen you people denigrate his job and insult him with it for over a year. Why do you do that?


I think if you reread the posts in question, you'll find that no one is running down the job.

It's the attitudes of the individual holding the job that raise questions.
One would think that someone so opposed to social programs and social spending would avoid seeking employment in a government run program.

Unless the goal is to be part of the neo-con drive to destroy government programs.

A common practice of republican agents is to place fellow believers in positions of control within government agencies to further the damage to the programs, it follows that these opponents of government programs would load their departments with likeminded saboteurs.

The real beauty of this plan is that the very same people who drive the programs into oblivion also receive a government pension at the end.

Raspberry sound.





2159) Message boards : Politics : What's happening to our leadership skills...? (Message 684617)
Posted 26 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
No one BOINCING should be made to feel pressured to contribute funding to SETI.

Everyone in this group has contributed more than 99.9% of the general population by allowing access to our private computers.

To me, when there is some extra money, I think a fellow human being that needs food and shelter is a higher priority.
Sorry SETI, but knowing that intelligent life exists 10 light years away won't ease the belly pains of the hungry.
2160) Message boards : Cafe SETI : the Good Night thread (Message 684613)
Posted 26 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thought I'd beat iX to the punch by saying...

Good Knight
2161) Message boards : Politics : Rising oil prices and people's livelihoods (Message 684581)
Posted 26 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Doesn't Canada have massive reserves of oil?

When will we be invading Canada?


I believe we have the second or third largest reserve in the world under our feet.

As for moving troops into Canada, the invasion started in the 1940's and has escalated ever since.
This wasn't a military invasion, rather a corporate invasion of CEO's buying up every Canadian industry they could get their hands on.

Canada has become a branch plant country with the vast majority of profits funnelling south to the US.

I don't think the US has to worry about moving into Canada to sieze control of the oil, they already have control...but water is quickly becoming an issue that could escalate beyond the point of reason.










2162) Message boards : Politics : The Liberation of Australia (Message 684497)
Posted 26 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
[quote]


I'd counter that this effect is likely that of the public ie government school systems in general, not funding. Privatize that and watch the problems the welfare statists created disappear. How to do this is complicated, but necessary.
[quote]

Supporters of absolutely open and unregulated markets places are deluded by pie in the sky promises.

Milton Friedman and his cult followers have tried the same experiment in many countries with dismal results in EVERY case.

They were involved in the Russian economic downfall and the Polish meltdown.
Friedman and his jackals from the Chicago School of Economics have used lies, bribery, corruption and torture to drive their plans forward and the vast majority of the populations in every country affected by these policies are harmed terribly by them.

A system that promotes absolute freedom for corporate powers is indistinguishable from fascism.




2163) Message boards : Politics : Pistol Packing Feds (Message 682800)
Posted 22 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Discussions along these lines don't happen here in Canada too often happily.

While Canada and the US share many similarities in lifestyle and culture, guns is not one of them.
Many of us own guns and acknowledge the need for guns, but guns are not at the forefront in the same way.

A few stats: The year 2005

While robberies in Canada and the US that did not involve the use of guns were almost the same per 100,000 people, the use of guns in robberies in the US was 5.8 times that of Canada per 100,000.

Non-gun homicides were comparable,
with Canada having 1.79 per 100,000 people.
The US at 1.35 per 100,000 people.

The big jump comes when gun homicides are tallied.

Canada had 222 gun homicides for a total of .39 per 100,000 people.
The US had 10,100 gun homicides for a total of 2.83 per 100,000 people.

While this thread started as a notice to citizens about the number of Federal employees licensed to carry handguns, it has evolved into a discussion on the right to bear arms.
One should consider many things before picking up a gun.
2164) Message boards : Politics : Big Brother part 2 (Message 681995)
Posted 21 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Ashtray Mouth, you've shown yourself to be the true bigot I knew was inside you.

All the blustering and yelling is simply to cover the fact you have nothing intelligent to add to the conversation.

Like 30 or more members of your SETI group...you contribute nothing.

I'd like to see you banned for what you've posted here.



It has been brought to my attention that I may have offended a group of members with my choice of wording in this post.

I would like to clarify my meaning.

The SETI group I was refering to is the SETI or BOINC Team founded by BrainSmashR.
In that group of 55 members are over 30 members with no recent credits or no credits at all from the time of joining his group.

I apologize to anyone in the "30" who may have been offended by my poor communication and lack of proof reading.
I was unaware that "30" had any special meaning to others.

I'll try harder to make my thoughts more precise in future.


2165) Message boards : Politics : Big Brother part 2 (Message 681989)
Posted 21 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Funny how liberals always turn to "bigotry" and requests for censorship when they can't change the opinion of someone who stands by and defends their beliefs.

Seems that in addition to not understanding freedom, you don't support it either...Imagine my surprise.




You might want to consider getting some help before you harm yourself or someone else because it's quite apparent that you have serious issues.

I'm not insulting you or trying to stir you up. I'm very sincere in this.

I don't think I should carry on any more debate with you as it only seems to draw out an ugliness that can do no good for anyone.
2166) Message boards : Politics : Egoism---an alternative (Message 681985)
Posted 21 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

This is becoming tedious...and I do not particularly appreciate your choice of using the word "claim".

Argue? I have been offering my paradigms and experiences in direct response to questions you asked me.



I certainly don't miss fixing peoples problems or having to explain obvious thought patterns to those who are stuck in mediocrity.


Tedious...I agree.

My choice of the word claim is a valid one.
It means to assert as a fact.

My choice of the word argue is also valid.
It means to present reasons for or against a thing.

I also do not appreciate having someone imply that one who doesn't work sitting before a computer all day and believes in unions is stuck in mediocrity.

So we'd best end it now while there's no hard feelings because the frustration of explaining obvious thought patterns goes two ways.

Cheers mate














2167) Message boards : Politics : Egoism---an alternative (Message 681553)
Posted 20 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

I take your point that if you just want a 9 - 5 job then it's prob excessive. I just simply can't think that way as I've never been in that position.



Dave H, you claimed to have worked at AOL Time Warner.
That sounds 9-5 to me.

What I really wanted to point out is the admission "I just simply can't think that way as I've never been in that position".

Admitting to that, while arguing to someone that has been in the position, should give you a moment to pause and consider whether your perspective is valid.

I see by your profile that you spend your days on a laptop as a trader.

You, for obvious reasons, have no need of a union.

This doesn't negate the fact that others, who are in the workforce, do need one.

I would hope you wouldn't deny food to a hungry man simply because you have just eaten a fine meal and are not hungry yourself.







2168) Message boards : Politics : Big Brother part 2 (Message 681546)
Posted 20 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Ashtray Mouth, you've shown yourself to be the true bigot I knew was inside you.

All the blustering and yelling is simply to cover the fact you have nothing intelligent to add to the conversation.

Like 30 or more members of your SETI group...you contribute nothing.

I'd like to see you banned for what you've posted here.

2169) Message boards : Number crunching : error on file upload: can't open file (Message 681367)
Posted 20 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I was starting to think my kids had changed some settings. Whew.
2170) Message boards : Politics : Egoism---an alternative (Message 681362)
Posted 20 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I think it just got nastier after that. It started under Reagan, Mulroney and Thatcher.
2171) Message boards : Cafe SETI : OMG!!!!!! Ratava's birthday is CLOSED!!!!! November 19 (Message 681357)
Posted 20 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Just got off work a while ago and almost missed sending Happy Birthday
2172) Message boards : Politics : Egoism---an alternative (Message 681355)
Posted 20 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I could supply a list of over two thousand from my last place of employment.
All good people and all gone.
2173) Message boards : Politics : Big Brother part 2 (Message 681352)
Posted 20 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

You either agree to abide by the laws of the country in which you live or you are a criminal who intentionally breaks the law.

No ifs, ands or buts about it...what's so hard to understand about that, Frenchie?



Frenchie?
That's twice now and I don't get the point. Oh well.

So, Ashtray Mouth, are you claiming that if prohibition came back you would obey the law?
Are you going to sit there, with that huge open orifice under your nose, and tell me that beer will never be dumped into that echo chamber again?

Have you any notion of the concept of civil disobedience?
There's a long tradition of civil disobedience in America (before the Bushtards came to power) and many unjust laws have been stricken because of that.

At one time it was unlawful for races to intermarry. Was that a good law?

At one time it was unlawful for First nation people to vote. Was that a good law?

If the population doesn't fight unjust laws, they are asking for more of the same and you are witnessing the result of unchecked lawmaking within your own government at this very moment in time.

But, like a good Bushtard, you just stay in line and do as you're told.




2174) Message boards : Politics : Egoism---an alternative (Message 681350)
Posted 20 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

If you own enough shares then you betcha he/she'll invite to all sorts of things as you are his/her boss.

How we evaluate them is by ordering a copy of their prospectus (you don't have to be a shareholder to do that, they will send to anyone. most are now on websites anyway), it gives you all significant details relating to the companies hierachy. Also lists their previous companies and so you can research them aswell. if you feel cheeky ring them and ask random staff members what they think of them lol


Dave H
I'm afraid we differ again.

Point one is mute as I, and everyone I know, doesn't have the cash to buy access to the CEO.
This is simply not an option for regular working people.

The prospectus says nothing about the CEO as a person, although I can guarantee it will paint even the sorriest wanker CEO as an inspiring leader.

As for random staff member's opinions, I think if they wanted the CEO dead they wouldn't say that over the phone to a stranger.

Could I take a moment to point out all the hoops some of you are asking people to jump through just to stay employed or to seek employment.
Sounds as if working people just can't win without the security provided by unions.


2175) Message boards : Politics : How do you fix this cesspool of lies and profit? (Message 681181)
Posted 19 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


However, I must disagree with you in that the greed we are trying to control is part of the social engineering programs being used by the powerful, not neurochemical differences.



I'd better clarify this thought, because it occurs to me that the social engineering probably IS being done by those with a chemical imbalance to influence others with the same condition.






2176) Message boards : Politics : Egoism---an alternative (Message 681178)
Posted 19 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Do you even read what you are arguing against?????

It's not my Harley. I do not own a Harley. I have never owned a Harley.
I will not own a Harley in the foreseeable future.

How the hell does a shareholder evaluate a CEO any better than anyone on the street?
Is he going to pop in for a beer because I hold a thousand dollars worth of stock?
Will I be invited golfing, or out for a day on his yacht?

Give your head a shake.
2177) Message boards : Politics : Egoism---an alternative (Message 681165)
Posted 19 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Are your feelings hurt because no one wants to talk about narcissism?
Too bad.

I've already stated to another of your brethren, it's not my Harley.
I just get to ride it when my brother lets me.
2178) Message boards : Politics : Egoism---an alternative (Message 680952)
Posted 19 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
note to self: polluting thread no longer an issue

They seem to change their minds more often than I change my underpants... ;)

(Daily, if you must know.)


Jeffrey, we can all see your picture....you don't wear underpants.
2179) Message boards : Politics : Egoism---an alternative (Message 680951)
Posted 19 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I was the 12th person to post within this thread.

I have made my point.

The egoist is nothing more than a stunted personality.

There is more to the meaning of existence than the self.

To seek philosophical justification for acts of egoism is simply another manifestation of the disorder.

It allows the egoist a way out from the responsibilities of their actions.

The egoist relies heavily on the writings of other egoists, who felt the same pangs of shame and guilt, so they sat down and created a branch of philosophy to rationalize and justify their actions and existence.

What else do you want?






2180) Message boards : Politics : Egoism---an alternative (Message 680939)
Posted 19 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I think it's funny how almost noone has formed a contrast between the egoism thread's premises and flavor vs the altruism's thread and flavor....

Real real interesting.


Because it's like discussing the difference between black and white, right and wrong or alive and dead.
In other words....NOT real real interesting to anyone outside a small clique of 3rd year philosophy students.





2181) Message boards : Politics : Egoism---an alternative (Message 680934)
Posted 19 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Robert Waite, answer the question.

Why not UNIONIZE everybody ?


Hardly practical

Having said that, if a workplace wishes to unionize, that is their right to do so.

note to self: polluting thread no longer an issue






2182) Message boards : Politics : Egoism---an alternative (Message 680926)
Posted 19 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I worked for a major telecom for 17 years before working where I do now, and the picture you describe at AOL Time Warner is the exact opposite of my experience.

First level managers were powerless to initiate any change at all and would not bring concerns from the workplace to their bosses.

Most were afraid to even be noticed by those above in the hiarchy.

I'll take you on your word that the situation you presented was true and I can somewhat more understand your opinion on unions.
Having said this, I would hope you will have a better understanding of why someone would want a union based on some of the things I've experienced at work.

PS: Nice to have a debate without having it turn into a pissing contest.
Thank you for your civility



2183) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Anniversary (Message 680889)
Posted 19 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Congratulations to the both of you
2184) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Pennies For Christmas. (Message 680888)
Posted 19 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I think this is a wonderful idea and think everyone should join in when the final decision is reached.

If anyone is keeping a running tally, I vote for Ronald McDonald's House.
2185) Message boards : Politics : Big Brother part 2 (Message 680887)
Posted 19 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

I do not have a "right" to consume alcohol, however I DO have an obligation to obey the laws of the country in which I choose to live.

See if you can figure it out, Einstein.

Simply put, I'm not one of those liberal pieces of crap who thinks "freedom" means I am immune to duty and/or obligation and that I can exercise my will as I see fit.


Can you untwist that a little for me please?

It appears to read as though you believe freedom is the right to do as you're told and that anyone who doesn't do as they're told is a "liberal piece of crap".

Are you drinking now? Crack a tube for me. CHEERS




2186) Message boards : Politics : Egoism---an alternative (Message 680884)
Posted 19 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

I say, take the responsibility and do it yourself.


Sounds good, but how is one employee in thousands able to do this?

Another thing comes to mind. What employer has the time to deal with every employee and their concerns?
If you are a relatively small company with about 40 employees, do you have time to listen to everyone's requests for changes or ideas about the workplace?

How would this approach work at AT&T or CN Rail?

This is why I think you're making the mistake most small business people do by equating their experience with large companies.



2187) Message boards : Politics : Egoism---an alternative (Message 680865)
Posted 19 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I guess we're not connecting here somehow.

You admire the quality of perseverance in the self employed but feel that working people should give up and quit their jobs rather than seek change in the workplace.

This, of course, negates the value brought to the job by employees by implying their opinions are without merit when they are in opposition to those of the employer.

2188) Message boards : Politics : Big Brother part 2 (Message 680855)
Posted 19 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Just because there isn't a 100% effective solution, that doesn't mean we shouldn't TRY to deter crime based on the fears of hippy liberals....or is it a fear of getting caught breaking a law you merely disagree with?


There was a law against consuming alcohol in your country once.
I've seen your webpage...you seem to enjoy drinking.
Are you going to stop downing beers if the wackos bring back prohibition?

Or will you be a good little automaton and do what you're told?

The erosion of freedom begins with attitudes like the ones you've shown here.




2189) Message boards : Politics : Egoism---an alternative (Message 680850)
Posted 19 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Dave H
You're making the same assumptions my self-employed father and brother make.
You're thinking in terms of a small work environment where everyone knows each other and is in close contact with the boss everyday.

It's not difficult to communicate information from the bottom to the top in that setting.

How does this apply to a corporate situation where there can be tens of thousands of employees and multiple levels of management?

How does John or Jane Doe evaluate a CEO they will never meet but must live by edicts passed down from.
2190) Message boards : Number crunching : Vista reinstall...What will happen to my account? (Message 680839)
Posted 19 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thanks everyone...I'll make sure the kid brings a stick with him, although he seems to pack most of that stuff around with himself anyway, even when not working.
2191) Message boards : Politics : Egoism---an alternative (Message 680835)
Posted 19 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

I can't help but notice that alot of the replies to my original post have shown that the prevalent emotion when making your decisions is fear. Fear of bank/mortgage, fear of credit rating, fear of job stability, fear of black-listing etc.

Making your decisions with the prevalent emotion being desire is much more empowering and conducive to contentment.


You appear to be reading much more into what has been said.

I was asking how the working people should approach the employer about changes to conditions and standards in the workplace.
Individually or collectively?

To suggest telling the boss to "Sod off" then bring up fear fo job stability, mortgages and credit ratings seems quite a leap in logic to me.
If one is going to follow your original "Sod off" advice, all those other items go out the window. You lose them.





2192) Message boards : Politics : Hedonism...the other alternative. (Message 680829)
Posted 19 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
hedonism:
1: the pursuit of pleasure as a matter of ethical principle.
2: an ethical system that evaluates the pursuit of pleasure as the highest good.

Not much different than 'egoism' or 'diabolism', eh? ;)


We'll save the discussion until about midnight next Saturday night...
more people may be in favour of a little hedonism around that time. LOL

As a lifechoice for daily survival, I have to agree with Jeffrey.
Hedonism is another justification of stunted development and selfish behaviours.

Think outside the self.

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." (Spock)
2193) Message boards : Politics : Egoism---an alternative (Message 680649)
Posted 18 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

My mortgage is 2 years old and will be paid fully in 2 more. I'm self employed and can happily tell anyone to sod off without needing a union to do it for me. I made the right decisions (for my life, they may not be for yours).


OK...Now we're getting somewhere,
You are self employed and have the power to create your own working standards and conditions.
Based on that, you don't need a union.

Let's assume that everyone who isn't self employed would like a say in working standards and conditions.
What would be the best way for them to achieve this goal?

Should they approach their employer individually with many points of view or should they get together to create a system that works for everyone before they present a plan to their employer?




2194) Message boards : Number crunching : Vista reinstall...What will happen to my account? (Message 680078)
Posted 18 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thank you
I'll probably end up aborting rather than shutting off requests for more work because I don't know when Marc will get around to this.
I'm happy to know I'll be able to carry on where I left off.
Thanks again.
2195) Message boards : Politics : Egoism---an alternative (Message 680074)
Posted 18 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Not to put words in Dave H's mouth but I assumed he simply meant that you should quit your job if the employer tries to take advantage of you.

Kind of a shame if you enjoy your workplace and co-workers, but it seems to be the only alternative in the minds of anti-unionists.

I think I like my way better. Less turmoil in the long run and having a steady job is good for the credit rating.
2196) Message boards : Number crunching : Vista reinstall...What will happen to my account? (Message 680058)
Posted 18 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
The young fellow who set me up with this new puter says I need to have Vista reinstalled to correct a problem I've encountered.

When he gets around to doing this, will I lose my account and credits or will I simply sign in again and not miss a beat?

Not that I have huge numbers to concern myself over but I just want to know what to expect.
2197) Message boards : Politics : Egoism---an alternative (Message 680044)
Posted 18 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

You cannot be taken advantage of if you do not allow it.
You all have the ability to tell your employers to sod off if/when they attempt to "take advantage of you". It's your choice who you work for, as it is also your choice to stay employed there. You don't need a union to hold your hand, you just need to make better decisions.


Don't you think, for the sake of your children and the bank holding your mortgage, that's it's just simpler to unionize rather than be unemployed?
It removes the need to tell the employer to "Sod off".


2198) Message boards : Cafe SETI : thanks to MY cat-like reflexes ... (Message 680008)
Posted 18 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Makes me glad to be a dog person.
2199) Message boards : Politics : Egoism---an alternative (Message 680000)
Posted 18 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
OK lets unite...How about a hug?

Oh, and get that ego under control.

PS: the first mention of unions came from your buddy Rush.
2200) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Cool sidebar gadgets (Message 679990)
Posted 18 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I have the CBC gadget in my sidebar. It contains access to every station across Canada and the NorthWest Territories.
And yes, it's socially funded so I don't have to listen to adds about KY jelly or how to cash in on the housing crisis.
2201) Message boards : Politics : Egoism---an alternative (Message 679685)
Posted 17 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Well, Rush, this too should fall under your "Why? Becuz u sez so?" mantra. Provide evidence of it.

From the first hit on Google under "union membership decline," About.com cites the U.S. Department of Labor:

"The changing conditions of the 1980s and 1990s undermined the position of organized labor, which now represented a shrinking share of the work force. While more than one-third of employed people belonged to unions in 1945, union membership fell to 24.1 percent of the U.S. work force in 1979 and to 13.9 percent in 1998."

My numbers were close enough. You can do the rest of the research yourself.


The numbers provided here back up everything I've stated about the corporate assault on unionized working people since WWII
2202) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Protest Songs (Message 679612)
Posted 17 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
For me it's "Masters of War" by Bob Dylan for the pure anger at the pigs.

Come on you masters of war
You that build all the guns
You that build the death planes
You that build the big bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks

You that never done nothin'
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly

Like Judas of old
You lie and deceive
A world war can be won
You want me to believe
But I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drain

You fasten the triggers
For the others to fire
Then you sit back and watch
When the death count gets higher
You hide in your mansion
As young people`s blood
Flows out of their bodies
And is buried in the mud

You`ve thrown the worst fear
That can ever be hurled
Fear to bring children
Into the world
For threatening my baby
Unborn and unnamed
You ain`t worth the blood
That runs in your veins

How much do I know
To talk out of turn
You might say that I`m young
You might say I`m unlearned
But there`s one thing I know
Though I`m younger than you
Even Jesus would never
Forgive what you do

Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could
I think you will find
When your death takes it`s toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul

And I hope that you die
And your death`ll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I`ll watch while you`re lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I`ll stand over your grave
`Til I`m sure that you`re dead
2203) Message boards : Politics : Big Brother part 2 (Message 679581)
Posted 17 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

It's strange. I can't remember this level of fear mongering when my city (and country) was threatened and bombed by the IRA.


There's an entire economy built around security and fear.

Since Sept 11 it has exploded (pardon the pun) and they have a financial interest in keeping us quaking in our basements. Fear sells.

Notice that the media will go to great lengths in describing the need for fences on borders or cameras in public spaces. We are also being told that governments need to listen to our phone calls and read our emails.

While all of this is being pounded into our heads, how much coverage is there over the nuclear weapons security in Pakistan right now?
The same thing happened when the Soviet Union collapsed with the help of the jackals from the Chicago School of Economics.
Nothing in the media about who had control of the launch codes.

They don't want us thinking about those issues, instead, they have us afraid of the guy wearing a backpack at the bus stop.

A camera focussed on that bus stop will capture video of anything that might happen but is as much use against a terrorist as it would be against an ICBM coming in.

It's not about security.


















2204) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Best CPU for computing SETI@HOME (Message 679327)
Posted 17 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Glad to see another new face.
Jump on in, even though the water can be hot at times, it's all good.
2205) Message boards : Politics : How do you fix this cesspool of lies and profit? (Message 679019)
Posted 16 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
guido.man, you cracked me up.

However, I must disagree with you in that the greed we are trying to control is part of the social engineering programs being used by the powerful, not neurochemical differences.

The emphasis in a corporatist society is placed on indivualism, an attitude that is actually harmful to the well being of the community.
Once this is achieved, it's a small step to convincing the individual that they are nothing more than a consumer in a marketplace rather than a citizen of the community.

I think this individualist attitude, where selfish wants overide communal needs, is the core focus of the battle.

A citizen will feel guilt over greed, whereas, a consumer believes that greed itself is the goal.





2206) Message boards : Politics : How do you fix this cesspool of lies and profit? (Message 678751)
Posted 16 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

When unions 1st came into being, they were a godsend to the workers, for the last 40 years, they have been parasites.
Nuff said.


This is one of the points brought always forward by the corporate PR drives against unions.
Make no mistake about this. The corporate powers have been on a full frontal assault against unions since the end of WWII, using every means within their control.
This includes newspaper editorials, television and radio news.
Hell, the corporation I worked for for 17 years was found to have stooges posting in a union only message board during a lock-out.
Guess who they sounded like? Don't RUSH, I'll give you a moment to consider.

They always start off with a recognition of the usefullness of unions...way back when, but end with the same conclusion that unions are outdated or corrupt.
I suppose I can understand your perspective if you were surrounded by union members like, someone who's name is unimportant for the purposes of this post, who self admittedly spent all of his time as a union member undermining every effort of the union.

Unions are more important for working people right now than at any point in history.
The growing strength of corporate influence in government.
The shipping of jobs overseas.
Attempts to privatize pension funds.

These are all important issues to working people and the only way to oppose them is collectively.

The whole idea behind conditioning people into believing the corporatist's views on unionism is to divide and conquer the working class.
To seperate the working class from the strengths provided by unity.
To cause doubt in the objectives of union causes.


How can a single person fight back when faced with an opposition as powerful as a trans-national corporation? The simple answer is, they can't.

I know this and you should know this, because believe me, the companies sure know it.





2207) Message boards : Politics : How do you fix this cesspool of lies and profit? (Message 678462)
Posted 15 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

I think I am blameless in this. It's all you dude.


Actually you're the one who started the topic without taking into consideration the actions of your own government/military.

That DOES make you the trigger man.


One cannot discuss events unfolding in the US by talking about Canadian issues.
One cannot talk about the frighteningly successful corporate coup d'e-tat in the US by talking about Canadian issues.

I don't feel the need to include a civics lesson covering the rest of the world when discussing the US, though you might want to look at my second post in the thread which covers the ground you mention.

As for Canada's role in Bush's "War on Terror", I'll be grateful forever to Prime Minister Cretien for keeping Canada out of Iraq. He held his ground in the face of powerful forces because he recognized the immorality of invading a country that had nothing to do with the events of Sept 11.

His decision to enter the conflict in Afghanistan was nothing more than tossing a bone to the Bush wolves.
While I disagree with Canadian forces being used as another extention of US forgein policies, I do see some small degree of logic in choosing the lesser of two evils.

If the issues presented to the world as justification for invading Afghanistan were honest and true, why did the west wait a decade before moving in?
Why didn't we invade back when the Taliban were blowing up religious sites and ancient statues? Some of them were more than a thousand years old.

2208) Message boards : Politics : How do you fix this cesspool of lies and profit? (Message 677871)
Posted 14 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


But, by no means did I set the tone here. Mr. Waite did with his first response to me in this thread, "Let me speak in simple terms so you get my meaning." I am just replying in kind.


Rush...you've been here much longer than I, so it's not difficult for anyone to go back into your posting history to see if you were just a quiet, polite dude until I showed up and antagonized you into being a (fill in appropriate word here).

I think I am blameless in this. It's all you dude.

Your approach, while interesting at first, is transparently hostile and very soon becomes such an overload of right wing bull that it numbs the mind. (enter smart-assed response here)

You're like an episode of "Right Wing World" on the Stephanie Miller Show.



2209) Message boards : Politics : How do you fix this cesspool of lies and profit? (Message 677639)
Posted 14 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

There were no "editorial opinions" there. For example, I stated the reasons why unions are coercive. I said that they use the threat of physical violence (damage, assault and battery against employees, preventing the delivery of raw materials, work slowdowns, blocking the gates, et cetera) to coerce the company into signing a contract. They then claim, like you did, that the contract is perfectly legitimate. Should you disagree with that statement, you should present the reasons why you disagree. There are COUNTLESS examples of unions doing ALL of those things, in fact, they are often the only reason the company signs a contract.


I've just come home after setting grade on a roadway for 9 hours in 5 below.
All I want is a good nights sleep but this statement cannot go unchallenged.

OK smart guy...give me one example of a CEO or board member being murdered during a labour dispute.
Give me one example of a CEO or board member being beaten during a labour dispute.

When you get tired of looking for your example, try googling murdered or beaten unionists.
You'll find hundreds, if not thousands of hits.
Unions don't beat or kill their adversaries but corporate leaders do.

I grow weary of you and your predictable responses.

Good night













2210) Message boards : Politics : How do you fix this cesspool of lies and profit? (Message 677355)
Posted 13 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
No, robots cannot fly a plane with only a right wing to hold it up.

Every PM I've received has warned me that you never give up, no matter how wrong your position, so I'll refer you back to the Quitter rule.

A winner never quits,
and a quitter never wins.
But a guy who never wins and never quits is an idiot.

Stop adding your editorial opinions to subjects like a collective agreement signed between a company and it's union workforce.
You claim coersion with no facts or evidence, you claim some form of mobster intimidation tactics with the same level of evidence.

You are the very image of the one descibed in the quitter rule.

I have nothing more to say to you.
2211) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Autumn photography contest (Message 677109)
Posted 13 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

No problemo Robert! Though I think this is going to have to turn from an Autumn thread to a Winter thread soon!!


I might not win the autumn leaves contest, because they're buried, but I'm thinking I'll have a good shot at the winter contest.



2212) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Autumn photography contest (Message 677095)
Posted 13 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thanks DF But I may have figured it out at last. At least for this time. LOL
2213) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Autumn photography contest (Message 677094)
Posted 13 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Autumn in Prince George
Photo from Nov 5/07
2214) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Autumn photography contest (Message 677091)
Posted 13 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
http://s234.photobucket.com/albums/ee6/Meraloma/?action=view&current=265.jpg

Hmmm...so much for that attempt.
2215) Message boards : Politics : How do you fix this cesspool of lies and profit? (Message 677074)
Posted 13 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

In a NON union company the deal would have gone through just fine and the wages would have been worked out later..

Clearly the union delayed the order for their personal benefit and not the companies benefit. Hence anti-productive. Hence unions are bad.

~BoB


Sorry mate...you're wrong again.

The company and the union signed a collective agreement.
That's a contract that spells out the conditions, wages, benefits and other details of the workplace.

The CEO has a contract with the company, why shouldn't the workforce?

If this order was placed without regard for the collective agreement then it is clear that the company was in violation of the contract and had to back down.

Just as the company would have to back down if it violated their agreement with any customer, client or even it's own CEO.

If the company signed the agreement, they are legally bound by the terms.

Isn't that a cornerstone of right wing thought?

There is no way that anyone can fault the union for this screw-up.






2216) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Not for the faint hearted! (Message 677019)
Posted 13 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Well, I am the new guy.
2217) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Not for the faint hearted! (Message 676943)
Posted 12 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thanks Fuzzy Hollynoodles.
Based on your assurances I opened it.
Not quite what The Simonator described in his original post with the link.

You got me Simonator.

It's OK Sirius B....no sicko posting.
I'm glad you were hesitant to go there.

PS: sorry to read about the guy in Charlotte. No one should have to deal with things like that.
2218) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Not for the faint hearted! (Message 676921)
Posted 12 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Jeez Rush, I thought we could have at least agreed on this point. Oh well.

2219) Message boards : Politics : How do you fix this cesspool of lies and profit? (Message 676902)
Posted 12 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
LOL
2220) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Not for the faint hearted! (Message 676882)
Posted 12 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I've seen death before in many forms while working as a prison guard.
I don't need to see it for the shock value.
2221) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Not for the faint hearted! (Message 676879)
Posted 12 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I didn't open the link.
I'm wondering what you are trying to convey by posting something that, by your account, is so graphic in nature.

If it's a commentary on suicide or voyeurism, even if it's about poor taste in choices made while posting on message boards, some thoughts would have been in order.

Slapping something grotesque on the table for the sake of shock value is infantile and if you have nothing by way of insight to add, I would hope the mods remove the link.
2222) Message boards : Politics : How do you fix this cesspool of lies and profit? (Message 676866)
Posted 12 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
RRRRR...there's so many softball lobs in that last post of yours Rush, like the issue of shared burdens but...there's no point.
2223) Message boards : Politics : How do you fix this cesspool of lies and profit? (Message 676858)
Posted 12 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
You can wrestle in the mud with a pig forever...or until you realize that he simply enjoys it more than you do.

I knew that by pulling out, I was in for the obvious and predictable end zone dance.

All that is proven is that you like to argue endlessly.

It's fruitless.
2224) Message boards : Politics : How do you fix this cesspool of lies and profit? (Message 676760)
Posted 12 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


I'll leave the most obvious comment out, however, you are right, it doesn't seem like you would ever win, given that you don't address any of the points being made.


I feel that I have answered any and all points.
I also realize that I am of one opinion and you are of another. I see no common ground.

Therefore, as two people with no direct ability to make the necessary changes socially or the ability to change the perspective of the other, this is an simply exercise in frustration.

I have spoken from the perspective of what I believe to be the common good and you come from the perspective of the lone wolf individual.

We evolved as a communal creature, relying on the abilities and skills of others within our group for survival. Shared burdens and responsibilities is the basis of every society.

6.5 billion individuals, each with their own special wants overiding the needs of the others is a recipe for disaster.

You will never change my stand on social issues and it has become painfully apparent that I will never change yours.

If this stalemate causes you to raise your fist in victory...enjoy.




2225) Message boards : Politics : How do you fix this cesspool of lies and profit? (Message 676488)
Posted 12 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
This is like talking to Rainman, or mud wrestling with a pig.
I'm invoking the quitter rule

A quitter never wins,
and a winner never quits.
But a guy who never wins and never quits is an idiot.

Carry on.

2226) Message boards : Politics : New law targets illegal immigrants... (Message 676479)
Posted 12 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

It's not possible to "create poverty," it's only possible to create wealth.


You truly believe this?
Try telling this to the countries shackled by IMF policies.
By selling off all public assets and siphoning the profits out of countries, poverty IS CREATED.
I don't need some speel about the impossibility of creating a negative because it is possible to create a vacuum where all wealth is removed by the greed of the controllers of the IMF and World Bank.




2227) Message boards : Politics : New law targets illegal immigrants... (Message 676474)
Posted 12 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Well, one example would be in the case of places that have socialized medicine, it's to prevent the system from being bankrupted. Most simply because that system isn't free.


? You feel border enforcement on human movement will protect healthcare?

How does that work if capital is permitted to flow wherever it desires?
Don't you think the money guys will just up and move their capital?

As for socialized healthcare not being free...who ever claimed it was?
Nothing is free. The healthcare must be paid for, just as everything else.
The difference being, costs are socialized (shared by all for the benefit of all) not placed on the individual.

Life is too valuable to be left to the marketplace and it's decisions based on ability to pay.



2228) Message boards : Politics : How do you fix this cesspool of lies and profit? (Message 676471)
Posted 12 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Of course I hate the idea of single payer heathcare. Because it creates an ACTUAL monopoly, one enforced by law. One cannot opt out, one loses all choice, and the lack of competition drives costs up. And one still pays for it, dearly, just indirectly.



Single payer healthcare DOES NOT create monopolies. What it does do is provide healthcare for everyone while using the purchasing power it holds to provide the very competition you look for.
All of the private hospitals will still be there in your beloved private health system and they can compete till hell freezes.

The only difference will be the elimination of the private insurers, who by my readings, won't be missed by too many citizens.

Oh ya, another difference will be that over 40 million more US citizens will have healthcare.
Tell me again why that's a bad thing?
2229) Message boards : Politics : How do you fix this cesspool of lies and profit? (Message 676469)
Posted 12 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Let me speak in simple terms so you get my meaning.

I was not refering to trade or labour unions in the post you quote.

I am refering to corporations themselves forming unions.

In Canada, the association of CEO's is called the CCCE, (Canadian Council of Chief Executives) and was created to allow industry to speak to government as a union of corporations.Whatever the union/association/country club is called in the US doesn't matter.
What matters is the corporate world, while telling people like you to revile unionism, is in fact using the principles of unionism to achieve their own goals.

A single entity facing a larger and stronger entity (a worker facing the company or a corporation facing the government) has little chance of being heard.
Collectively, the story changes.
A company can easily force a single working person to accept whatever terms they wish to impose.
When facing a collective of thousands, the company suddenly decides that negotiations are the better course of action.

The same works for the corporate world when dealing with the government. Collectively, they have a greater voice.

A quick look at the state of corporate control in both countries will show that it works very well for them.
2230) Message boards : Politics : Egoism---an alternative (Message 676464)
Posted 12 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Why? Because they've priced themselves out of the market.


What???
The assault on unions began almost immediatly after WWII ended.
A middle class, living without fear of their overlords was unacceptable in the eyes of capitalists.
The assault gained real momentum with the election of Ronald Reagan. It was under his watch that the corporations were permitted to violate federal labour standards without fear. It was made common knowledge within corporate circles that the laws would not be enforced if they wanted to go after the unions and the leaders.
While the federal laws still exist, they are almost never enforced, leaving union activists open to firing at the whim of the company.

As for your bumper-sticker response to why unions are in decline.
It's another neo-con kneejerk spout based on nothing.

How can anyone claim such nonsense while accepting CEO wage increases of hundreds of percentages while working people have seen real earnings below inflation rates?

In 1980, the average salary of a CEO was 42 times the average wage of their employees.

In 1990 that had increased to 85 times.

In 2000 it had increased to 531 times the average wages of their employees.

I have no idea of what the figures are for the year 2007, but I can double-damn guarantee the trend has continued at an accelerated rate.

You feel the need to squeak about unionized working people being overpaid?????






2231) Message boards : Politics : How do you fix this cesspool of lies and profit? (Message 676365)
Posted 12 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
That's the best you have to excuse your hatred of unions?
The story clearly states that the deal was dependent upon reaching a deal with the union representing pilots.
The company and union didn't reach an understanding and the company cancelled the order.
It wasn't the union blocking the purchase.
Do your homework.
2232) Message boards : Politics : New law targets illegal immigrants... (Message 676360)
Posted 12 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Hey Rush and SmashbrainR
Any thoughts on restrictions when it concerns human mobility and unrestrained movement of capital?

This ought to be good.
2233) Message boards : Politics : New law targets illegal immigrants... (Message 676357)
Posted 12 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Poverty isn't "created" Frenchie, it's the result of those unwilling to do what it takes to get ahead in life...like LEGALLY immigrating to another country in search of jobs.


I was waiting for the great neo-con comeback answer to raise it's lame little head.
Blame poverty on the poor.
What an insightful mind to fall back on that old line.
2234) Message boards : Politics : Egoism---an alternative (Message 676351)
Posted 12 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

And I tried like hell to undermine it at every opportunity.


You may have been a member but it is quite apparent you were not IN the union.
From reading your posts it is quite clear to me that you have no regard for the common good.

The part I really don't get is spending your time actively undermining the people you worked with.

It would seem you are not one to be trusted on any level.
If you would do this to people you actually had a relationship with, what lies and misinformation are you spreading in message boards where there are people you have no connection to?

Anyone reading your postings should keep this in mind when considering any point you try to make.



2235) Message boards : Politics : How do you fix this cesspool of lies and profit? (Message 675704)
Posted 11 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Oh no you don't....get on with how well the Canadian economy is doing again.

As for the other anti-union crap...unions do not make business decisions on behalf of the company so everything you've posted is nonsense.
2236) Message boards : Politics : New law targets illegal immigrants... (Message 675675)
Posted 11 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I was having a few cocktails last night with friends and one of the topics my pal brought up was borders.
He had an interesting slant on the entire concept of national boundaries in that they were arbitrary lines drawn on maps by Europeans to divide their colonial empires.

The conversation also went on to the actions being taken recently by the international investor class.

Doesn't it seem strange to everyone that governments are enforcing, with ever increasing hysteria, national borders while at the same time lecturing the working class about the need to eliminate borders when it comes to economics?

What purpose is being served by enforcing the borders in the case of human mobility while removing restrictions on the movement of capital?

If one follows this to the obvious conclusion, we find that it appears that the investor class, or capitalists, seem to be creating a situation where humans are trapped in regions of low wage earnings and capital is free to move into that same region to exploit the wage situation.

I believe the uproar over illegal immigrants is not the real story, rather, it's a means of gathering support from the masses in containing people inside the low wages regions created by the capitalists.

Stronger enforcement of borders is simply a means of reducing mobility from within created zones of impoverishment.

I would argue that everyone shouldn't get angry at those trying to escape poverty but focus your attention and anger on those creating it.
2237) Message boards : Politics : Egoism---an alternative (Message 675402)
Posted 10 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Egoism, or it's excuses in philosophy including rational egoism, ethical egoism and psychological egoism are nothing more than rationalization of childish narcissism.

The true egoist has never developed beyond that early stage of life where the child, believing itself to be the true centre of the universe, is not capable of considering the needs of those around.
The only needs are those of the child or, in the case of the egoist, the stunted adult.

Egoism is not a viable alternative....it's a philosophical justification.
2238) Message boards : Politics : How do you fix this cesspool of lies and profit? (Message 675159)
Posted 10 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
We have the resources that the world wants, one of them is oil.

You might want to keep that under wraps... ;)


Please don't tell your friends about us, or where we are, or what we have.
LOL
2239) Message boards : Politics : How do you fix this cesspool of lies and profit? (Message 675158)
Posted 10 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Accord.
That's because your tax burden is extravagant. You know, "free" health care and all that.


And union membership is dwindling as well. Maybe they could make trees.


You really hate the idea of single payer healthcare. I hope you don't get cancer or you'll be joining the cause of the largest group of personal bankruptcies in America.

The idea that unions are a bad thing is ludicrous. The very corporations you support have created unions to help represent themselves in their dealings with government.
They know that individuals, whether the individual is a working person or a company, cannot succeed against a stronger and more powerfull entity, such as the government or a corporation, without the united front provided by a union of like minded interests.

The little guy cannot beat a corporation in the same way a single corporation cannot beat the government.

But gather the collective will of the workers in a unified entity and a different outcome is inevitable.
2240) Message boards : Politics : How do you fix this cesspool of lies and profit? (Message 675151)
Posted 10 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

If the economy is hurting so bad then why isn't our dollar going the same way as the American dollar?

As a comparison... 2.08 USD = 1 GBP vs 1.93 CAD = 1GBP
It used to be around 1.5 USD = 1 GBP and 2.5 CAD = 1 GBP

BoB


Our dollar isn't in the tank because of Prime Minister Trudeau.
Thankfully, our dollar is not pegged to the American dollar as other forms of currency are. Countries that have their currency pegged on the US dollar are all finding their values dropping.
The Canadian dollar is independent of the US dollar which is why we are not dropping at the same rate internationaly.
This gives us the illusion that we are doing well because we in Canada, are not in the tank, like the Americans are with their 6 trillion dollar deficit with China.
Another reason for our seemingly strong dollar is that the Chinese are buying Canadian dollars for that reason.
We have the resources that the world wants, one of them is oil.





2241) Message boards : Politics : How do you fix this cesspool of lies and profit? (Message 673769)
Posted 7 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


You Liberal fool. The conservatives are the best thing to happen to this country in years.

-Lower GST
-Action towards global warming

And incase you haven't noticed there have been no scandals such as the sponsorship scandal or paying friends companies ridiculous prices for stuff..

Not to mention the state of the economy under conservative rule...

~BoB

The GST is a consumtion tax. The more crap you purchase, the more GST you pay. Seems like more than fair to me because people with little money spend little, ergo, people with lots will spend lots. Think of it as a voluntary tax. You don't have to buy that 72" television or the F350 4x4 with duals on the ass end to run errands in town.

Global warming? The government of Canada signed the Kyoto Accord. That is an international agreement, but it would appear that the conservatives don't believe in contracts that might cause problems for their friends in big business.
No, the representation of the energy sector overides the needs of the international community, so we tear up this agreement and give lip service to the reduction of carbon emissions.
By not following our agreed position in the Kyoto Accord, Canada's international integrity is now drawn into suspicion.

The economy is hurting in spite of the fact our dollar is higher in comparison to the American buck.
Where are the manufacturing jobs? What do we make here anymore?
The only sector creating new jobs in any numbers is the service industry.

2242) Message boards : Politics : Religious Thread [11] (Message 672659)
Posted 5 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


With 2007 years worth of atrocities committed by the hands of christians, one has to wonder just how much more enlightening you need...


Oh...small steps in the right direction.
It's not too far from acknowledging the fact that atrocities occur to understanding people's rage over that fact.
C'mon boy, one step at a time. We'll get you there. C'mon.
2243) Message boards : Politics : Torture: Is it ever OK? (Message 672656)
Posted 5 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Smashedbrainr
Almost everyone has access to some type of video recording device.
So many images of the horrors are making it out of the area that there is no way a governmnet can stop it.
My point was to show how the corporate warlords are trying to keep the mainstream press, with the largest audience of viewers, from reporting on the truth about what's happening on the ground.
One such method is imbedding reporters.
I'm glad you gave up so easily on your WWII theories.
You must have closed that gaping maw long enough to reconsider. For that I thank you.
2244) Message boards : Politics : How do you fix this cesspool of lies and profit? (Message 672653)
Posted 5 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Our first agreement...God should forbid.

Well thought out response. Business as usual for you.
2245) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Animation software (Message 672650)
Posted 5 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thanks guys...this should get him started.
He'd better not enjoy animating too much because it could cut down on MY screen time. LOL
2246) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Autumn photography contest (Message 672502)
Posted 5 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
OK...Here comes a horrible admission.
I don't know how to post a photo on a message board thread.

After the laughter dies down from all the people who actually build and program their own computers, maybe I could humbly ask for help...please.
2247) Message boards : Politics : Torture: Is it ever OK? (Message 672476)
Posted 5 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

No offense guy, but the mere fact that you now here about "innocents" being "murdered" in Iraq but not in Japan and Germany during WW2 pretty much discredits your opinion.


I used the Vietnam example because it was the first time in history that war coverage was brought directly to the public without having been run through government censorship first.
The old method used in WWII was via government controlled newsreels that were shown in cinemas before the main feature. Before television, this was the main way the public got to witness images of the war.
The corporate powers driving warfare do not want to make the vietnam mistake again but the biggest problem they encounter is modern technology which places video cameras in every cell phone.
They can never control information completely but they can still exercise control over the press.






2248) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Autumn photography contest (Message 672352)
Posted 5 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Unfair to the Great White North...my autumn leaves are covered with snow.
2249) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Animation software (Message 672337)
Posted 5 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
My son has expressed an interest computer animation.
Knowing absolutely nothing on this subject, I was hoping some of you might be able to suggest the names of some software I can pick up for him.
I suppose it shouldn't be anything too advanced, so I'm looking for entry level or intermediate stuff.
Thanks
2250) Message boards : Politics : Religious Thread [11] (Message 672192)
Posted 4 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I believe there could be a creator of the universe.
I can't believe that there's an invisible man in the sky watching everything we do.

Have any of you seen Zeitgeist-the movie, it's in three parts.

The first shows the roots of biblical stories and how earlier myths were included in the Bible as facts.

The second is concerned with the 911 conspiracy stories.

The third is international economics and how the economy is manipulated by a few powerful interests.

If I remember correctly, it's about 2 hrs in length.

zeitgeistmovie.com/ no link so I don't anger some, but you can google it.

2251) Message boards : Cafe SETI : . . . vOices in yOur head? (Message 672122)
Posted 4 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

. . . do YOU have any ideas - regarding what made the Neanderthals disappear?



1) They failed to develop a tinfoil hat. LOL

2) They formed the Republican party

3) They were intelligent enough to discover warp drive and got as far from here as possible.

2252) Message boards : Politics : How do you fix this cesspool of lies and profit? (Message 672114)
Posted 4 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I'm Canadian and there's enough to do to try and keep up with what our own are up to. Our last Minister of Defence, Gordon O'connor, had been a lobbyist for defence contractors before taking office.
Our current Prime Minister, Stephen Harper, is Bush's cute little lap dog but is restrained by governing with a minority. He's attempting to push the opposition into a non-confidence position to force an election and I hope Canadians will see it as it is.
Never mind foreign country's problems. Although, the spill over from these Chicago School of Economics policies is being felt worldwide.

Of course, the scale of offences is much smaller in Canada but the game is the same. Use the religious right rapture kooks, the pampered wealthy elites and corporations to form an unholy alliance based on some strange theory that doesn't concern itself with anyone outside the club.


2253) Message boards : Politics : Thought Police alive and well in the UK (Message 672031)
Posted 4 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
It appears that the citizens of Britain don't mind being watched.
I read recently that there's 1 camera for every 14 citizens. How soon until you won't be able to turn off the television because of the camera mounted inside watching you in your own home?



The arrest of this kid is another sign of the paranoia created by the profiteers in the new security and defense economy. There's a lot of money to be made exploiting our fears.
2254) Message boards : Science (non-SETI) : Human Race May Split in Two in 100000 years (Message 672017)
Posted 4 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
"Oliver Curry, an evolutionary psychologist at the London School of Economics, thinks two subspecies will emerge: a tall, slim, intelligent privileged class, and a short, squat, ugly, dim-witted race of servants. Racial differences will be ironed out by interbreeding, producing a uniform race of coffee-colored people.


I see that as an economist, Curry believes our current system will carry on.
I'm kinda hoping the human race will develop beyond this insane chase for more money and, instead, seek a greater meaning from life.
Who cares what colour the human race evolves to. Having said this, given a choice, I think I'd go with blue.



2255) Message boards : Politics : How do you fix this cesspool of lies and profit? (Message 672005)
Posted 4 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I've been reading Naomi Klein's new book "The Shock Doctrine" subtitled "The Rise of Disaster Capitalism".

She points out so many lies and abuses of the political system that it's sickening to read.

Rumsfeld may have sold off some directly owned stocks in Lockheed and Boeing six months after assuming the position of Secretary of Defense, but he held onto shares in private investment firms dedicated to defense and biotechnology.
His shares in Gilead alone netted an increase of 807% by the time he left office.

Cheney sold off 18.5 million dollars of Halliburton but still held on to 189,000 shares and 500,000 unvested options.
He has collected many millions anually in dividends and a deferred income of $211,000 anually.
Thanks to the fortunate circumstances of the Iraq war and some no bid, cost plus contracts, Halliburton shares had increased 300% over the first three years of the war.

James Baker was brought back to public life as co-chair of the Iraq Study Group and also named Special Envoy on Iraq`s Debt. All while maintaining his law firm which represents the Saudi royal family, Halliburton and Gazprom and is one of the largest oil and gas law firms in the world.
While Baker was supposed to be persuading governments around the world into forgiving Iraq`s debts he was also acting on behalf of the Carlyle Group in assisting Kuwait in collecting $27 billion from Iraq.
This was with the understanding that Kuwait would invest $1 billion with the Carlyle Group.

Baker`s mandate from the US government was to reduce Iraq`s debt by 90 to 95%, instead, the debt was rescheduled and is still at 99% of the country`s GDP.

There`s a long list of profiteers in this `War on Terror` hiding behind the mantle of government.
This is not a fight to bring democracy.
This is a mad scramble between financial interests for profit and power.

2256) Message boards : Politics : Torture: Is it ever OK? (Message 671994)
Posted 4 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Bypassing the ethical considerations, just for a moment, I'd like to report that the history of warfare shows a steady decline in ethics with each passing major conflict.


I have to disagree with you here Beets. I think what you are witnessing is an increase in reporting, not a change in what's taking place on the battlefield.


Actually, what you are seeing is a more controlled press. The coverage of the Vietnam War was too much for the corporate backers of destruction and turmoil to overcome so they've devised a method of "Imbedding" reporters inside frontline action which has the added benefit of allowing cencorship to be based on the ongoing security of the troops the reporter is assigned to cover.
Once a reporter has become very close to the troops, actually dependent upon them for survival, there's less chance of objective reporting on any wrongdoing.
2257) Message boards : Politics : War with Iran? (Message 671864)
Posted 4 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Now that the US government has privatized almost every aspect of "Homeland Defense", including much of what employees in the Pentagon have traditionally done and almost everything to do with the military, including warefare, there is only one outcome.
A continuing search for places to engage in conflict.
The "War on Terror" is a corporate wetdream. Untold billions are going to be funnelled from your government into the coffers of the corporations selling security services to the US.
Terrorism is a tactic, not a defined enemy. This will go on forever if not put in check.
1984 may have come a little late, but Orwell was a visionary.
2258) Message boards : Politics : Torture: Is it ever OK? (Message 671858)
Posted 4 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Well I suppose I should yield to your insider knowledge of what dumb is.
Thank you for setting the record straight.
2259) Message boards : Politics : Torture: Is it ever OK? (Message 671747)
Posted 3 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
There are a lot of "What if..." scenerios batted about to justify torture.
Here's one. What if the wrong person is tortured?
Here's another. What if it's you?
Of course, the maniac performing the torture will be expecting you to deny any and all knowledge of whatever subject the "interogation" is related to.
The only solution in the mind of the tormentor is to apply increased pain levels for longer durations.
In the end, you will die or be so damaged mentally and physically that your life is destroyed.
TORTURE IS NEVER OK!
2260) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Looks Can Be Deceiving! (Message 670589)
Posted 1 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Me too. That thread did actually deeply disturb me. :(


How could it not?

I'm rather concerned for our species at times. I'm sure they'll beat that out of us someday soon.



2261) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Looks Can Be Deceiving! (Message 670581)
Posted 1 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
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You still will not define your terms, sir. You will not debate on civilized terms. YU refuse to be honest. Your only 'thing' is to 'feel sorry for me'...Mmmmm

Get facts and logic in your debates and SCREW YOUR DAMN UNION that makes it so hard for others.

Don't ever come at me again with nonsense arguments again. Say what you have to say and be done with it. I PITY YOU...

How's that? I look down on you...does that make you feel better?

Now, if yu choose now to talk logic and facts then get to it post haste. You hurt 'workers'.....the union reps pay people like me to make you smell better.
[/quote]

Forgive me please
I realize now that I've engaged in a battle of wits with an unarmed man.

I'm going to enforce the leftist mercy rule...

"Whereas it is well known that Dittoheads will never concede defeat, even in the face of overwhelming logic and truth,
and whereas, in the face of certain defeat, they will lose control of all bodily functions, including rational thought,
therefore be it resolved that anyone with leftist leanings and concern for the wellbeing of the working class shall ignore any further attempts at contact until said Dittohead comes up with some real answers instead of more Friedman/Limbaugh garbage."

Good day sir
2262) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Give Us A Caption! III (Message 670443)
Posted 1 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


:-)

I think the inadvertent caption under the original post by RATAVA makes the best caption
2263) Message boards : Politics : Short politics quiz (Message 670428)
Posted 1 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
No surprise
I appear to be a left liberal
Personal>100%
Economic>20%
2264) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Looks Can Be Deceiving! (Message 670398)
Posted 1 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
What is it that I'm missing here?
Are the resources of a country not the property of those who live there? Should the wealth generated by those resources not go to the people?


No! And not only 'NO' but 'Hell no!'. You are not entitled to that which you haven't produced just because you happen to live nearby. These 'resources' you speak of? What are they? They're not 'resources' until someone productive comes along and extracts them of the earth and makes them available to envious unappreciative people like you that demand more for nothing. They're your slave labor class perhaps? Perhaps you agree with many of the last century's fascists, socialists, and other assorted totalitarian altruists that they have a duty to provide them to you for some unspoken reason. You won't be able to give a good reason why they have a moral obligation to do this. I know.

In the entire history of Mankind not one reason has ever been given ....not once...not one rational reason why man should not live for himself but for the sake of others; live for his neighbors, gods, state....whatever. Perhaps there's an imaginary friend you can conjure? We can add him to the list.

Pure capitalism is one of the cruelest systems created by man. Unchecked, it ALWAYS leads to slavery, abuse and domination of the masses by a small number of elites.


You don't even know what capitalism is. Capitalism is the system that PROHIBITS SLAVERY. Your systems you extol just adore it. 'Masses'...? No wonder so many reject your ethical system. You refer to them as a 'mass' and not individuals.

Abuse? By whom? Elites? There are 'elites' in every statist culture too. You'll never stop. It's a matter of what kind of elites you want isn't it, R.Waite? One that rules by FORCE AND GUNS like you or a system where some people have 'stuff' that others desire. ('philosophy of materialism is communistic' not Capitalistic---just for the many ignorant here). Look it up...they say so themselves.



I'm not envious of wealth...I just want everyone to have a piece of the pie. I find it strange that the very things you state about me in your closing sentence are the drivers of greed itself and held up as personality traits that we should all aspire to by those preaching accumulation of wealth.

Again, a 'piece of the pie' assumes wrongly that wealth is a zero sum game. What do you care if joe black next door gets phenomonely rich while you only increas urs a few certain bits which is all your worthy of doing? Would all of us being equally poor suit your sensibilities better?

I'm sure it would.

I hope that men will outgrow the selfish desires inherent in a system that allows no mercy.


OutGROW the selfish desires? I'm waiting for men to actually discover selfish desires! If they did I wouldn't feel morally compelled to respond to arguments like yours that divide everyone against the good in the name of renaming the bad.


We all can't be rich, I realized that many years ago, but we all deserve dignity and respect.


Wrong. If you retire as a non millionaire in America (a fairly capitalist system by comparison to the rest of the world run by your mentalities) then you've done something silly and wrong) but I agree, not all will become rich...but some or many will.

One thing's certain though: almost noone operating under your simplistic proto materialistic philosophy will get rich except the corrupt ones that use government power and force to squash the weak. But...hey. seems to be an idealogy you like. I'd change it as soon as possible if I were you before you help it become true. Set a target date for attitude change,....say, the next time you're scheduled for a haircut.

Being trodden into the dirt by those with wealth for the sole purpose of adding to that wealth should be considered a crime against humanity.


A crime with willing participants like you who apparently is able to afford a fine motorcycle according to your 'selfish' interests? What a system.


Well Scary Capitalist, you sure do try hard to live up to your name.
First, I should like to point out that I am pictured heading out for a ride on my brother's motorcycle. Please feel free to now chastise me for being too lazy to own it myself. I can only state that I seem to feel it is much more important to me that my children are provided for than to own a Harley.
I guess you should thank your lucky stars that your folks didn't believe as you do that no one should be responsible for anyone but themselves or they'd have left you to fend for yourself as an infant. (In which case, I wouldn't be forced to argue this drivel)

The problem with this entire exchange of ideas is that you are coming from a position that isn't based in fact.
You seem to believe that the choice is one between capitalism and everything else.

I think it's important to point out to you that capitalism is an ECONOMIC SYSTEM, not a political system. When you state "Capitalism is the system that PROHIBITS SLAVERY", you are flat wrong. Try passing that off as truth to the African plantation "volunteers" brought over to America for, what I must assume you believe to be, a nice holiday. American slavery happened under a capitalist society.
Before you get in my face about being self righteous, let me also admit that slavery also happened here in Canada and that we, as a society are not the innocents many believe.

If you wish, I'll give many examples to back up this next bit.
Everywhere laissez-faire economics is practiced, in it's fully unregulated glory, people are imprisoned, tortured and killed.
Everywhere the University of Chicago School of Economics grads become involved with government policy through the IMF and World Bank, there is hardship, grief and dispare.

The policies of Milton Friedman and his followers are nothing short of corporate fascism. Woe to the citizens of any country unlucky enough to fall within their sights. Chile included.
Everything you hold up as a glowing example of freedom, democracy and capitalist opportunity is in truth a nightmare for the vast majority of people.

Friedman's book "Capitalism and Freedom" seems to have mined a vein in American culture. The problem with this being most people seem to have read the title and ignored the content. I include you in that group.

I feel somewhat sorry for you in another way though. How alone you must feel. Facing everything as an individual, no one to turn to, no one to rely on for help. I have quite a network of friends. I am a member in good standing of a union. I have support and aid when I need it.
I don't stand alone. I am part of a community.


2265) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Looks Can Be Deceiving! (Message 670287)
Posted 1 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

And see the Egoism thread in the POLITICS FORUM to get a more perfect understanding of why you think this way.


No thank you...I read some of the thoughts on the morality of torture and some people in there scare the .... out of me.

















2266) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Looks Can Be Deceiving! (Message 670280)
Posted 1 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


In reality "working people" in 1952 paid all of that 32.1 percent of total revenue, just like they paid the 11.5 percent in 1998. That's because working people, i.e., everyone, always pays 100 percent of all revenue taken in by the U.S. gov't. They always will because all those taxes on corporations are simply costs, passed directly to the consumer, just as the costs of labor, materials, steel, glass, rubber, leather, ingredients, et cetera are. You pay for the rubber in your shoes, the costs of labor in your shoes, the leather, the strings, et cetera, and you pay for any taxes, tariffs, and regulations as well.


In this simplistic example, the only conclusion one can draw is that corporations should not be taxed and this will enable them to pass the savings on to consumers.

I think I disagree.




I agree with you here, R.Waite. I believe Rush was in error or at least being non detailed and specific. If corporations didn't have to concern themselves with higher corporate taxes they wouldn't bother to oppose them. The truth is that it lowers their profits and efficiency, production (eg crap you insist on being provided with).

The full story is that it drives down the living standards of the shareholders (that's MOST of Americans now btw due to 401k's and other investments/pension plans) [Forget Euroweenies-they don't know what ownership is. They gave that up to the socialists long ago because of their anti individualistic ethos]

Furthermore it wouldn't matter from an economic science point of view whether it only affected 1% of all Americans or 100%. The laws of economics don't give a damn who owns what shares just as physics doesn't care about say.....whose body a murderer's bullet enters, a just man's or a street thug.


I think any corporation or company making profit needs to pay it's own way. Corporations make use of the commons as do the citizens of communities, states or provinces and countries. In fact, they use more than regular citizens.
They use the roads to ship goods. They use the water and sewers. They use electricity. They seek the protection of the police and fire dept's.

These are expensive to build and maintain, and while paying taxes is never a pleasure, it's the price we all accept as members of society.

Corporations are not exempt.


What about the companies that do NOT make profit? Are they to pay for the crap they bespoil and use? If so, this edict of yours should apply to them on that basis , no?

As for the rest, in CAPITALIST countries corporations, mom n pop shops, and whoeever else DOES pay for their 'fair share' of utilities and sometimes do so at ABOVE the rate that 'normal citizens' do. I suppose you consider the productive citizens among you to be freakish and abnormal?

Of course they shouldn't be exempt. I agree with you on this point except for one main and fundamental point, R.Waite. There shouldn't be any 'taxes' or 'government revenues' on roads, utilities, water, whatever.

You see, Robert Waite? Your government shouldn't be owning those interests in the first place. If that were not the case then it would certainly free your mind of such a monumental worry as the prices would be the terrain and interests left to consenting parties and nothing to do with you. You'd have NOTHING left to gripe about as everyone would be paying their own damn way.

Think about it.

ps And see the Egoism thread in the POLITICS FORUM to get a more perfect understanding of why you think this way.







[/quote]

Ahhh...I see...every man for himself.
Reduce government to the point that it can be drowned in the bathtub.
Private control of everything from water to armies.
I don't see the logic in placing power of this amount in the hands of unaccountable corporate entities. It's bad enough when our leaders ARE accountable.
2267) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Looks Can Be Deceiving! (Message 670274)
Posted 1 Nov 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
What is it that I'm missing here?
Are the resources of a country not the property of those who live there? Should the wealth generated by those resources not go to the people?

Pure capitalism is one of the cruelest systems created by man. Unchecked, it ALWAYS leads to slavery, abuse and domination of the masses by a small number of elites.

I'm not envious of wealth...I just want everyone to have a piece of the pie. I find it strange that the very things you state about me in your closing sentence are the drivers of greed itself and held up as personality traits that we should all aspire to by those preaching accumulation of wealth.

I hope that men will outgrow the selfish desires inherent in a system that allows no mercy. We all can't be rich, I realized that many years ago, but we all deserve dignity and respect.
Being trodden into the dirt by those with wealth for the sole purpose of adding to that wealth should be considered a crime against humanity.
2268) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Looks Can Be Deceiving! (Message 670180)
Posted 31 Oct 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


In reality "working people" in 1952 paid all of that 32.1 percent of total revenue, just like they paid the 11.5 percent in 1998. That's because working people, i.e., everyone, always pays 100 percent of all revenue taken in by the U.S. gov't. They always will because all those taxes on corporations are simply costs, passed directly to the consumer, just as the costs of labor, materials, steel, glass, rubber, leather, ingredients, et cetera are. You pay for the rubber in your shoes, the costs of labor in your shoes, the leather, the strings, et cetera, and you pay for any taxes, tariffs, and regulations as well.


In this simplistic example, the only conclusion one can draw is that corporations should not be taxed and this will enable them to pass the savings on to consumers.

I think I disagree.

I think any corporation or company making profit needs to pay it's own way. Corporations make use of the commons as do the citizens of communities, states or provinces and countries. In fact, they use more than regular citizens.
They use the roads to ship goods. They use the water and sewers. They use electricity. They seek the protection of the police and fire dept's.

These are expensive to build and maintain, and while paying taxes is never a pleasure, it's the price we all accept as members of society.

Corporations are not exempt.




2269) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Looks Can Be Deceiving! (Message 670172)
Posted 31 Oct 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Same thing with some of the socialist countries in Europe and S.America (Chile in particular).


I must strongly disagree with you on this one. The neo-conservatives always hold up Chile as the shining example of their far right policies.
The reality of the Chilean experience is quite different.

In spite of following the doctrine laid out by the Chicago School of Economics advocates (I refer to them as corporate fascists but we're being polite here) Chile's economy crashed in 1982. Debt was uncontrollable as was hyperinflation.
Unemployment was over 30%.

Pinochet, famous for his reign of pure terror, ended up nationalizing many companies. The fact that he had never sold out Codelco (the state owned copper mining company) to private interests meant that the country still had a steady influx of capital. This one company was actually responsible for 85% of Chile's export revenues.

The economy stabilized around 1988, but by then 45% of the population had fallen below the poverty line while the richest 10% had seen their incomes increase by 83%.

I fail to understand how this injustice exercised on the working class can be held up as an example of success.

Unless one's measuring stick is the number of billions concentrated into the hands of a few.




2270) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Looks Can Be Deceiving! (Message 669843)
Posted 31 Oct 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:

Really. Ever consider how massive taxation drives costs up? Even on housing?

But you should be thrilled. You have "free" health care. And there is no connection whatsoever between massive taxation and brutally expensive housing.
Or is there?


Hmmm...something to ponder.
In 1952, corporations contributed 32.1% of total revenues taken in by the US government.
By 1998, the total percentage from corporations was down to 11.5%.

Q: Who has made up the difference in the percentages collected?
A: Working people

Solution: Stop voting against your own interests. Do not drink the Kool-aid.


2271) Message boards : Cafe SETI : BOINC safety (Message 669840)
Posted 31 Oct 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:


Hi Robert W.

I think you are being a little over cautious.

Are you on dial-up (56KB modem) or using cable (EG: a network card)? Do you have a router?

Using the BOINC application and crunching for SETI creates almost zero threat to you or your PC.

It is far more likely that your other internet activities might cause you problems.

If you are on dial-up (56kb modem?) and stay online for more than a few minutes then getting yourself a software firewall (EG: Zone Alarm) is probably a good idea.

However as BOINC only connects to a specific site and has it's own protocol you are unlikely to suffer an attack because of SETI.

If you are using 'cable' or a 'network card' then getting yourself a router will be your best option.

If you have a router already then you are probably already as safe as you can be given most routers have hardware firewalls built in.


How do you connect to the net? Dial-up or cable etc?


I'm not overly concerned for myself but I wanted to be sure I had the facts when I tell others that it's secure.
Personally, I'm on cable behind a router and firewall. There's nothing important stored on my hard drive beyond Halo and F.E.A.R.
2272) Message boards : Cafe SETI : BOINC safety (Message 669836)
Posted 31 Oct 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Now I'm happy that I listened to the young fellow when I bought this new puter.
He recommended Kaspersky.
2273) Message boards : Cafe SETI : BOINC safety (Message 668624)
Posted 29 Oct 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Thanks Gavin...I hadn't even considered the gaming side of the security issue.
Most of the guys at work do quite a bit of gaming and shouldn't worry about BOINCing.
I notice that I've changed the topic of this thread without thinking...maybe one of the mods could place these last few postings into a new thread.
2274) Message boards : Cafe SETI : The seti sci-fi and fantasy book club. (Message 668504)
Posted 29 Oct 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Here's a chance to plug for a friend. A collection of short stories entitled "Wasps at the Speed of Sound" by Derryl Murphy.
Derryl manages and plays on my soccer team.
The publisher is Prime Books and while you may have to do some digging to find a copy I believe you'll be happy you did.
i reeded it an think itz gud
2275) Message boards : Cafe SETI : BOINC safety (Message 668487)
Posted 29 Oct 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
I appreciate the welcomes extended by all of you long timers. Thank you all for being so very inviting.
I think I'll be spending most of my posting time inside the Cafe SETI after reading the threads in Politics.
I do have one question. I've spoken about BOINC and SETI to friends and people at work. Many of them have expressed fears about the security of the system.
While I don't have any important information in my hard drive, many people do and aren't willing to expose themselves.
Have there been any instances of hackers breaking into the computers of participants?
2276) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Trekkies (Message 668076)
Posted 28 Oct 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
WELCOME, Robert Waite!!! 8-D


I'm an Avid Trekkie. TOS for me; however, I watch them all...

However; here's something to put a twist into your shorts... The BBC has a show that's older than Star Trek!!! (My Avatar is a clue...)


Doctor Who: BBC TV, 1963 to Present.


Doctor Who is the oldest Sci Fi series on TV.

A tribute to Doctor Who: "The Ultimate Doctor Who Title Mix"


I haven't seen Dr. Who in years. Are you saying that the series is still in production on the BBC?
WOW!
I'm heading to the web page right now.
2277) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Trekkies (Message 667111)
Posted 26 Oct 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Hey yall
I'm new to the whole BOINC scene and must admit that it gives one a strange sense of accomplishment to simply allow one's computer to do the tasks assigned.

I've been scanning through the forum and I'm surprised to notice no discussion of the Star Trek world. I suppose I assumed a bunch of people supporting SETI would somehow be Trek fans too.

Sorry to be profiling the group.

I've been a Trekkie from day one and happily watch episodes almost every day before going to work. (Afternoon shift)

Over the past few years I've come realize that my favorite Star Trek series is Voyager. This happened so gradually that I hardly noticed when I chose Voyager over the original Star Trek when a choice had to be made.

Can we do a fun poll?
What series is your favorite?
Who is the best captain and which character is your favorite.

My choices
Voyager
Janeway
Prof. Moriarty
2278) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Sci-Fi Movies of the 1950's (Message 667095)
Posted 26 Oct 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
[/quote]

Its in the public domain so you can watch it or download it from here

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7038656109656489183
[/quote]

Thank you for this link...I love these old movies and it's impossible to find most of them anywhere. (At least in my part of the world)
Being able to find them online is much better than waiting for a programmer to decide to run them on television...usually at 3am.
2279) Message boards : Politics : What's Your Class? (Message 666832)
Posted 26 Oct 2007 by Profile Robert Waite
Post:
Working Class...I get dirty at work and I like it that way.
PS: Class of '75


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