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21) Message boards : Cafe SETI : What's for breakfast? (Message 1577945)
Posted 4 days ago by Profile AngelaProject donor
I ate a doughnut. Forgive me Monday, for I have sinned.
22) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Lose Weight With Monday II - Double Digits, but no double chins!!! (Message 1577905)
Posted 4 days ago by Profile AngelaProject donor
I have gotten into the habit of making Ol'Pookers a lunch for work every day. The Space Sciences Lab is in a remote hill location on campus and there is no cafeteria or cafe in either building associated with the lab. If I did not make Eric a lunch, he would eat doo-doo out of a vending machine every day, or worse yet, hop in his car and go out for fast food five days a week. Since I do not wish to be a widow, I pack him a reasonably healthy lunch to take in each day.

Anyway, my little Absent Minded Professor has three rotating "manly" vinyl lunch bags that I use for packing his lunch. He needs to have three because he frequently forgets his empty lunch bag at work. The standing threat in our house is that if he forgets his lunch bag at work three days in a row and I am out of dignified lunch bags to use, then on the fourth day I am going to pack him a lunch in the most pink, sparkly, fru-fru gift bag that I can find in our collection of reusable gift bags.



Last night, as I was packing Eric's third and final dignified lunch bag, I warned him, "Bring home those empty bags, or you're getting lunch in that pink gift bag next time!!!" Eric replied, "Go ahead and pack the gift bag. If people comment on it at work, I'll just tell them that my mistress packed my lunch for me!"

Men!!!
23) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Lose Weight With Monday II - Double Digits, but no double chins!!! (Message 1576838)
Posted 6 days ago by Profile AngelaProject donor
So do you, my friend!
24) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Lose Weight With Monday II - Double Digits, but no double chins!!! (Message 1576832)
Posted 6 days ago by Profile AngelaProject donor
This thread is dedicated to our good friend Monday, who has been doing an extraordinary job of improving his health.

This thread is for those of us who would like to slim down, eat better or just improve a health habit or two. I see no need to limit discussions to weight loss. If, for example, you are trying to quit smoking or trying to reduce your alcohol consumption, then by all means jump right in. You will find many friends here. I also love a good meandering thread and if things should happen to meander off-topic now and again, that is just fine with me.

This is a place to post health goals and the progress you achieve in attaining them. (In my case, it is a place to post health goals and the utter lack of progress I achieve in attaining them!!!) It is also a place to gripe, a place to commiserate, a place to celebrate one another's successes and a place to be supportive of one another.
25) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Lose Weight With Monday (Message 1576827)
Posted 6 days ago by Profile AngelaProject donor
My favorite board bulldozer has been pushing me to start a new thread.

See you all over in the next one!
26) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update XX - All are welcome in the Critter Cafe (Message 1576825)
Posted 6 days ago by Profile AngelaProject donor
I'm not sure raccoons run real good.

Raccoons run very well, usually on all fours though. They are extraordinary climbers, but poor jumpers as Es's video illustrates.

Those kittens sure are cute, Suzie-Q! Sorry to hear that there are more.
27) Message boards : Cafe SETI : is it a hoax? (Message 1576722)
Posted 6 days ago by Profile AngelaProject donor
Real or not, I agree with the physician interviewed in that clip. Anyone who would go to such extremes for attention may have some serious undiagnosed psychiatric issues. Frankly I find it difficult to believe that this young woman actually found a plastic surgeon willing to perform this operation, and if she did, that physician's license should come up for some serious review!!!

As a person who has worked for 25 years in a hospital setting I understand that patient confidentiality is highly protected... but I also know that people slip up. Can you imagine how many hospital registration people, orderlies, surgical nurses, surgical techs, recovery room nurses, housekeeping staff members etc would have been involved in this young woman's care? This is such an atypical surgery that surely at least one hospital employee would have "slipped" and told a spouse or trusted friend something general like "a woman had a third boob put in at our hospital today". That spouse or friend would have told two people, who would have told two people, who would have told two people. With this kind of gossip-mill, eventually the hospital where the surgery was performed would be known and the surgeon would at be guessed. Since everything is dipped in mystery and shrouded in intrigue around this surgery, my guess is that we are looking at a clever, elaborate internet hoax.
28) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Lose Weight With Monday (Message 1576583)
Posted 7 days ago by Profile AngelaProject donor
Oh Vic... your last line is going to enrage Blurf, and justifiably so.

Oh prickly pear margaritas... why do you have to taste so good? G-R-O-A-N!!!

Climbing back up onto the diet and exercise wagon now... Brushing off the dirt from the rut where the wagon rolled back and forth over me several times... Dragging myself into the kitchen to prepare a sensible breakfast...

G-R-O-A-N!!!
29) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Lose Weight With Monday (Message 1576429)
Posted 7 days ago by Profile AngelaProject donor
I think it is wonderful that you are
willing to take the effort provide me with a sober
considered explanation of how you understand this issue.

LOL!!! What a charming way to say "let us agree to disagree". But happily, it does sound like we agree on several things. (And as an aside, whatever makes you think that I am "sober"? I found ripe prickly pear cactus fruits at our Farmers Market last Saturday and tonight I turned them into margaritas to go with dinner.)


I just have a hard time accepting that a diet that humans
evolved with for 90% of our time here on earth or so is
no longer is considered as healthy as one we have had
only recently.

Funny you should mention that. We evolved to eat mostly plants, and that is probably one of the many reasons why farming ultimately "won" over hunting and gathering.

Our species comes out of Africa. Savannas are ecosystems composed of grasses and sedges, spotted with the occasional tree. Savanna grasses do well in hot dry regions because, to take up carbon from the atmosphere, they use a specific pathway called C4. This set of reactions is miserly with carbon and water.

Our species moved into Europe. In wetter ecosystems woody vegetation and trees grow and these plants tend to take up carbon from the atmosphere using a specific pathway called C3, which requires much more water.

Dramatic swings between wet and dry climates, wherever our ancestors lived, killed off some of our early ancestors and provided evolutionary pressures that pushed other ancestors towards modern traits that we still possess today. The most adaptive trait our species has is probably our ability to eat just about anything.

The typical modern American diet of soft drinks, cow meat, Doritos and candy is largely derived from corn, a C4 grass. When you say "90% of our time here on earth" I assume that you are going back to our early ancestors in the genus Homo. Guess what?!!! Early members of our genus were designed to eat everything... generally to the tune of 65% C3 and 35% C4 things. All that matters in the "evolution game" is that you survive long enough to reproduce yourself and ensure the survival of your offspring. Our early ancestors could have done this on a diet of burgers and Doritos. (Now most of us would like to live much longer than 30 or so years, so yes, we have to do things differently.)

We are such an amazing species!!! We don't live in our environments, we eat our environments!!! When you say "a diet that humans evolved with 90% of our time here on earth" you make it sound like we consistently ate a certain way. But actually, we ate whatever we found, hunted or managed to grow, wherever we happened to be. Our species has populated the earth, from our planet's poles down to the equator, probably because we are two things - smart and good eaters.

Don't get me wrong. I am certainly not advocating a diet of burgers and Doritos, even though most of us can digest these foods just fine. We know that for optimal health and longevity we need plant-heavy, balanced diets full of moderation. All I am saying is that genetically we are pretty much adapted to eat whatever is in front of us, whether it comes to us via hunting and gathering or via farming. Hunters and gatherers ate a paleo-diet because that was what was in front of them. Early farmers ate whatever their community could grow because that was what was in front of them.

I suspect that the problem with our modern diet is NOT that we have given up eating spit-roasted game and a handful of unripe berries for breakfast and NOT that we are farming and eating the wrong types of grains. I would guess that the REAL problem is that we are eating too darn much of what is so conveniently in front of us.
30) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Lose Weight With Monday (Message 1576319)
Posted 7 days ago by Profile AngelaProject donor
Agriculture is about 12,000 years old and, full disclosure here, I am rather a fan of it.

I can certainly think of several reasons why members of hunter-gatherer societies, historically, might be bigger and stronger, on average, than historically matched members of farming cultures. These reasons cast doubt on a direct causal link between grain consumption and cultural-size.

1. If you are not big and strong as an early hunter-gatherer, you might have a lower status in your culture, and this might impact your ability to find a mate and reproduce yourself. This could lead to a selection bias towards taller, stronger individuals in a hunter-gatherer society.

2. Early farming communities would involve people living in more densely populated areas. This could lead to greater incidence of stature stunting illnesses and diseases amongst early farmers.

3. The vagaries of weather might lead to years of famine in early farming communities, which would impact the stature/strength of the people who had come to rely on farmed foods.

4. Reliance on a smaller set of foods in early farming communities might lead to deficiencies in vitamins, minerals or micro-nutrients, which could stunt the growth of early farmers, compared to historical peers. Early farming communities did not have the knowledge basis in this area that we have today.

Ian, if I am understanding you correctly, you seem to be implying that consumption of grains and starches as a main food staple CAUSES people in a culture to be shorter and weaker. Conversely, you seem to be implying that consumption of a paleo-diet more typical of hunter-gatherer cultures CAUSES people in a culture to be taller and stronger.

I think you are confusing causation with correlation. There may be a correlation showing that early farmers were shorter and weaker than hunter-gatherers of the same time, but it was not necessarily consumption of grains that caused this. There may be a correlation showing that early hunter-gatherers were taller and stronger than farmers of the same time, but again it was not necessarily lack of grains in the diet that caused this. A review of the four reasons listed above should be enough to cast reasonable doubt on there being a direct causal link between grain consumption and stature/strength.

The reason I am being such a pain in the posterior on this topic is that the "whack-a-doos" out there mix up correlation and causality all the gosh-diggily-dog-gone-darn time. They site correlation as "evidence" that their beliefs are scientifically sound when, in fact, the first thing young scientists learn is that correlation does not, necessarily, imply causality.

The reason that I am standing on a soap-box here in The Cafe, rather than in "Science - not seti" or over in the wilds of "Politics", is that this thread has become a place where lots of people interested in diet gather... the perfect audience for this discussion.

I know it is very unpopular to be "pro-gluten" these days, but hey... I just gotta take a stand for logic... (and delicious food!!!)

Pasta, anyone?
31) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Lose Weight With Monday (Message 1576271)
Posted 7 days ago by Profile AngelaProject donor
In Europe humans have gotten smaller compared
to their hunter gather Cro Magnon ancestors.....

"Cro Magnon" is sort of a basket term that doesn't tell us much, scientifically. Several hominin species shared the planet in our "recent" past, with possibly as many as four species existing during the time that modern humans made their debut. This makes it more and more difficult to identify direct ancestors of our species!!! We used to think we had it all figured out, but then scientists kept on discovering more fossil evidence of different species.

If you are thinking of Homo Neanderthalensis when you mean "Cro Magnons", then yes, they were big and strong, but they were probably our evolutionary cousins, aunts or uncles rather than our direct ancestors. There is evidence of some small, possible, interbreeding between Neanderthals and modern humans, but clearly we remained separate species. Our other cousins may have been Homo Heidelbergensis and Homo Floresiensis. There is even some evidence that Homo Erectus may have stayed around on the planet much longer than previously though. At this point there is considerable debate as to who our really-really-great grandparents were.

If you are interested in the subject of Human Evolution, pick up a copy of the September 2014 issue of Scientific American. It is one of their "special topic" issues and it is a really good read.

Anyway, long story short, I don't know of any evidence that agriculture made us smaller. Certainly optimal nutrition, attainable through agricultural practices, can help an individual in a species attain his (or her) maximum genetic potential for growth, just as poor nutrition can stunt the growth of an individual in a species. Change in our overall average species size, to make us larger or smaller, would probably require a bigger evolutionary "pressure" (or combinations of pressures) than something as straightforward and simple as good nutrition.
32) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Lose Weight With Monday (Message 1576132)
Posted 8 days ago by Profile AngelaProject donor
It was just that there had to be a reason people
got so small after farming was adopted......



I was unaware that our species has gotten smaller, but if that is true then I would assume that improved nutrition from the steady food supply that comes from adopting agriculture would make it possible for people of all sizes to survive to reproduce themselves. Perhaps hunter-gatherers do better if they are bigger, more powerful and have greater bodily food reserves (fat!!!) to get them through the lean times when game and berries are scarce?
33) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Lose Weight With Monday (Message 1576080)
Posted 8 days ago by Profile AngelaProject donor
http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/

Looks interesting.......



Going gluten free is so trendy these days.

I like wheat. Pasta should not be made without it. Pizza should not be made without it. Most people can digest wheat just fine, but the whack-a-doos are out there in full force trying to convince people otherwise.

Would I lose wheat if I ate one of these paleo-diets where you have roasted meat and berries for every meal... yes. Would I be miserable on a paleo-diet? Yes!!!
34) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Lose Weight With Monday (Message 1576070)
Posted 8 days ago by Profile AngelaProject donor
Pudgy Little Raccoon Weigh-In for 09/22/14: 165.4 pounds

Back on track... the slow track admittedly, but still better than last week's salt fest.
35) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Cats (Message 1575866)
Posted 8 days ago by Profile AngelaProject donor
Celt, your beloved Fryja is waiting for you at the RBB. Beautiful kitty.
Awe, Ulrike, Tessie was a beaut, too.
And Ziggy could be a twin to my previous kitty, Marz. An orange spotted mackerel, but he didn't have the pale band across his nose. Cool. (Um, excuse my ignorance, but are Ulrike and Uli the same being, as it appears?)

Ahem. Now Angela. Put the computer down and back away slowly. Those ideas things are addictive. $$$.

If I owned my own house, it would be insanely cat-centric.

http://benzwm021lm.hubpages.com/hub/cattreesthatlooklikerealtrees

Must love cats!

:-)

CC


LOL!!! We had a plumbing emergency at our house this weekend, so after paying that bill I sure won't be spending $900 on cat furniture!!!
36) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Lose Weight With Monday (Message 1575863)
Posted 8 days ago by Profile AngelaProject donor
I think you are doing brilliantly!
37) Message boards : Cafe SETI : TLPTPW #221 Grand Dad was a hemmerer, but not a carpenter.... (Message 1575862)
Posted 8 days ago by Profile AngelaProject donor
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Those feather fans were being waved awfully close to those torches. How is it that the whole video did not go up in flames?
38) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Lose Weight With Monday (Message 1575813)
Posted 8 days ago by Profile AngelaProject donor
Ups and downs are par for the course. You are doing great!!!

Go Monday Go!!!
39) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Beet's Give Us a Caption #57 (Message 1575742)
Posted 8 days ago by Profile AngelaProject donor
Culinary school was cheaper than getting a Ph.D. in paleontology...
40) Message boards : Cafe SETI : TLPTPW #221 Grand Dad was a hemmerer, but not a carpenter.... (Message 1575399)
Posted 9 days ago by Profile AngelaProject donor
Congratulations Ian!


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