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1) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update XX I - All are welcome in the Critter Cafe (Message 1649010)
Posted 5 hours ago by Profile AngelaProject donor
True... a weasle in coach... they usually fly first class.

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I might have known that a discussion of crazed weasels (Merciful Heavens!!!) in the Critter Cafe would draw Scarecrow out of the woodwork.

(Welcome home, Cowboy!)
2) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Tim Hunt/Captain Avatar (Message 1648721)
Posted 1 day ago by Profile AngelaProject donor
R.I.P.
3) Message boards : Cafe SETI : R.I.P. Leonard Nimoy (Message 1648720)
Posted 1 day ago by Profile AngelaProject donor
R.I.P.
4) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Beet's Give Us a Caption #59 (Message 1646760)
Posted 6 days ago by Profile AngelaProject donor
Hello funny people!!! There were so many really funny entries that I had a very hard time deciding who would win. After some consultative services from Eric and much deliberation, I have decided to award medals as follows:

The Bronze Medal goes to Zalster for "And now you know why we call it a pound cake!"

The Silver Medal goes to Es99 for "Martha demonstrates some of the money collecting techniques she picked up while inside."

The Gold Medal goes to Michael Roberts for "Quick - it's running your way"

P.M. going out to our winner now...
5) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Beet's Give Us a Caption #59 (Message 1645867)
Posted 8 days ago by Profile AngelaProject donor
Thank you, Dr. Zalster, for the win!

Since we have a couple of food and cooking threads in the Cafe now, my friends, please caption this:

6) Message boards : Cafe SETI : TLPTPW # 232 - Soon reel soon... (Message 1645813)
Posted 8 days ago by Profile AngelaProject donor
Me too!
7) Message boards : Politics : Your patience levels? (Message 1645678)
Posted 8 days ago by Profile AngelaProject donor
...I was never going to be clever enough to go to Uni and I doubt very much my parents could have afforded it anyway.

And yet you have accomplished so much! By your very arguments you are either special in some way, or there are layers upon layers of advantages you have had that have helped you to succeed. Maybe those advantages are not immediately obvious to you. Mine were not immediately obvious to me when around age 17 I started to think about such things.

I am not saying that exceptional people do not exist. I am just saying that most of us are not all that exceptional.


...I object where people that could go out and get employment for £X a week in a job they don't fancy, but prefer to get £X-20 a week staying at home, and doing a few hours cash in hand casual work to top up.

Do you personally know people who are like that or are you presuming people are like that? A question for anyone trying to develop a social justice mindset is to ask him or herself - "If people are gaming a system that is unjust, could my pattern of thinking and my pattern of voting be one of the reasons the system is not a better one?"


Why go and work all those hours just for the same money?

Perhaps because being in the work force leaves nobody home to care for my children or my grandchildren. Perhaps because growing up in poverty I have had the "fight" beaten out of me early and often. Perhaps because I have been forced to attend sub-standard schools that will keep me from ever advancing in any job. Perhaps because I don't "look like" or "sound like" the majority of people the manager is hiring. And I am sure that there are many more reasons than those "starter few".



You try to say look, doesn't your self respect and fair play come into that? I pay my taxes for you. They say, can't afford to have self respect mate, costs too much. Then you hear the 3rd kid is on the way, well, gives the missus a bit more family allowance doesn't it. Another beer Chris? Gotta spare fag? Yet that man would literally give you the shirt off his back if he thought you needed it.

Chris I do not doubt your personal kindness and generosity. I have been the recipient of it many times. I suspect that the reasons a poor person might game an inherently unfair system are many and complex and I sincerely doubt that I would be above gaming such a system were I in an unfortunate position. I further guess that the reasons poor women have babies are even more varied and complex.


The benefits system helps those that genuinely need it, but it also makes it too easy to abuse it as well. Its necessarily a balance.

I do not believe that people who are poor are, as a group, less honest than anybody else. I suspect that they just get their dishonesty exposed more regularly. Chris, you know how much I love raccoons. Part of the reason I do is that raccoons are generally out for number one!!! They are a nasty, biting, self-centered species and raccoons are just smart enough to game any system you throw at them... much like people. When I read articles in the paper about "welfare abuse" I wonder why there is not an article right next to it about "insider trading" or "tax evasion" or "social security double dipping". We are all raccoons.


Its a scandal that the minimum wage is less than the living wage and that many employers pay the lower.

On this, my friend, we clearly agree. The difference between us may only lie in the way we cast our votes to change it.


There was a case last year of a Midlands firm having recruit sandwich makers from Europe because white British people thought that sort of work was beneath them, and none would apply. What sort of job is that for anyone? etc etc To someone living in Eastern Europe on the breadline that would be sheer luxury.

There are stories in the papers here that run along similar lines... only in California it is about who picks our strawberries. Instead of taking in these stories at face value, I try to imagine what variables might keep California citizens from going to the valley to pick strawberries. Could it be logistics? Could it be childcare issues? Could it be that despite legislation to prevent it, strawberry growers still manage to game the system and hire people "under the table", certainly at less than living wages and maybe even at less than minimum wages.


It isn't as simple as that is it. Ask the countries on the Northern shores of the Mediterranean how they feel about all the refugees arriving from North Africa. ASk Italy about the same things, ask English Channel ports about the people trade from Northern Europe. Calais police regularly shut down the camps but they spring up again. On sheer humanitarian grounds we do let them in, but that isn't the type of immigration I was meaning.


Sadly, ask people here in our western states how they feel about immigration from Mexico and you will get the same appalling responses. That does not make them good responses.


Have a read of this Benefits

Instead of becoming upset over people gaming a system, I try to ask what series of difficult life circumstances might result in a person feeling like he or she needed to game a system. Or I try to imagine what series of institutionalized unfairness might result in a person feeling like he or she was entitled to game a system.



Oh and as for Colonialism, while the Brits were there, they weren't war ravaged countries, that was afterwards. Uganda & Idi Amin, Rhodesia & Mugabe etc. Look at womens rights in India. The Brits move out and all the locals take over and ruin everything we worked for.

Oh great FSM give me strength!!! Chris, if you think colonialism was a force of good, then I really do not know where to begin. If you honestly think that pumping the resources out of a country, leaving a power vacuum in your wake and then blaming people in a country for "ruining" things is a fair analysis of history, well then Chris you are well beyond any skill that I may have to change your heart and your mind.


...Those leaning to the left seem to want equal benefits for all irrespective of what you put into it, and stifle any ideas of being better off than your fellow man through capitalism.

Not exactly. In my liberal utopia, people accomplish things because they are intellectually stimulated to explore academic frontiers. They achieve personal fulfillment and the betterment of humanity because the resources are there to support each citizen's intellectual and academic pursuits. Ok, ok... I want to live in Star Trek. In the meanwhile, please know that I do understand (given that we are all raccoons) that some elements of capitalism should probably not be thrown out with the bath water.


Those on the right want a basic minimum standard for all whether you are able to put into it or not, but the opportunities to be even better off if you choose, and encouraged to be. i.e. we will support those who want to get on in life. Left wing and right wing views of the world will always be at odds. I am centre right you are strong left. QED

If I had grown up in a family in which only the minimum standard was provided, I would not be the Angela you know.


Having just said that I have renewed my annual Trade Union Retired Grade Membership. Yep been a Union member since 1975. Why? I support collective bargaining, too many companies pay lip servise to Health & safety issues. They have a £1K death grant, you couldn't buy that life insurance for £2 a month!! Hypocrits R us :-)

I, too, am a fan of collective bargaining.


...certainly no history in my mob of scientists, world leaders, famous engineers etc, I wish!...

All four of my grandparents were peasant immigrants from Italy. My maternal grandfather was a garbageman. My paternal grandfather was a baker. My grandmothers made babies.

But here is the difference - my grandparents immigrated to a country where their children could "pass" for white. They raised their children in an Italian "ghetto" that was not an unsafe place for children to play. They sent their children to "ghetto schools" that were actually not all that bad! They immigrated to an area where the economy was booming and they could get menial jobs even though none of my grandparents spoke English or were formally skilled in any areas of employment. They lived in a time when employed people in menial jobs could support a family on one income, thus freeing both of my grandmothers to invest time, effort and energy into their children. They lived in a time when college was affordable for their children. They valued education and believed in the American dream... because for them it existed.

My grandparents were not confronted with life experience after life experience that beat the hope out of them. Sure they had setbacks and even tragedies, but they could also see the upwards trajectory as one by one they sent their children, my parents' generation, to college.

The circumstances of today are not the circumstances of my grandparents' generation.

I know there is more in your post that I should respond to, but you see Chris, my private jet is waiting and I have to get my driver to take my mink stole to the cleaners and darn it, I haven't had my breakfast caviar yet...

Actually I Do have to go.

TTFN...
8) Message boards : Politics : Your patience levels? (Message 1645555)
Posted 9 days ago by Profile AngelaProject donor
Working for social justice is an expression of patriotism.
Peace on earth.


Yep, I'll go for that, where do I sign up?


Well Chris, you start by examining these positions you espouse:
We have a benefits culture instead of preferring to work
We have too much immigration
Our NHS is a magnet to health tourists
Europe as in the EU are taking liberties
Mainstean Education has gone down the pan
Too many politicians caught fiddling expenses
Proportional representation for the people? Hah!

Chris, everything I am and everything I have accomplished in this life was made possible by me winning the lucky birth lotto. I was born in a country with a relatively good standard of living for many of her citizens. I was born into a family that was not poor. I was born into a family that values education. Change just one of those variables and my life would change dramatically.

Let's start by changing my family to one that did not value education. Chris, would you still be my friend if I lived in a poor community where jobs were in short supply? Would you be my friend if I found a job, but was not prepared to compete for it? Would you be my friend if I were not suitably prepared to hold a job, even if you got me into a program that gave me a job? If I failed in any of these areas would you simply write me off and tell me that clearly I preferred to receive social benefits than to work. Would you be able to understand that I would prefer to receive social benefits than to starve... or watch my children starve?

Let's change another variable of my life and imagine that I was born in another country. Imagine I was from a place where I was living in abject poverty. Imagine I was living in a country that had been ravaged by colonialism. Imagine I was living in a country in which war raged all around me. Would you really look me in the eyes and say "Go away Angela, you are not wanted here."

Chris, go down your list and imagine somebody you care about in all of the positions you disparage... or better yet, imagine that you yourself were in all of those difficult positions.

Chris, it is so easy for me to look in the mirror, smile at myself and say, "Wow. I have special gifts that have allowed me to accomplish so much. I have worked so hard and now I have justly earned everything that I have. Anybody who has a crumb less just hasn't worked hard enough, because I am sure that opportunities are out there for all." But you know what, Chris? When I do that, I am lying to myself.

It is much harder for me to look in the mirror and say, "I am not special. If I have accomplished anything it is because I had lots of help and support every step of the way. Sure I worked hard, but harder than everybody else??? - definitely not!!! Everything that I have and everything that I have accomplished is due directly or indirectly to the circumstances of my birth. If I have maximized my human potential, it is only because I was born well on my way to maximizing it."

The playing field is not level Chris. Understanding that is the foundation of a social justice mindset. I wish you a successful journey. I am still working on mine...
9) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Beet's Give Us a Caption #59 (Message 1645525)
Posted 9 days ago by Profile AngelaProject donor
Matt always wondered what Eric and Jeff did when Matt had to go on tour...
10) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update XX I - All are welcome in the Critter Cafe (Message 1645496)
Posted 9 days ago by Profile AngelaProject donor
Oh sure Chris and Angela, rub it in. ...


Sorry Bill.

If it is of any consolation, when I ventured outside I found it to be surprisingly windy, so I had to go back inside and find a light sweater.
11) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Miggins Magnificent Mouthwatering Mouthfuls (Message 1645476)
Posted 9 days ago by Profile AngelaProject donor
Muriel dear, welcome home.

You would have been so proud of me yesterday. I baked Eric a batch of cupcakes, but then when I posted about them, one rather cheeky fellow actually had the audacity to ask me if "cupcakes" were a euphemism for something.

Of course I haughtily replied that sometimes a cupcake is just a cupcake!!!

All in all though, I suppose I am just grateful that my husband was at home all weekend enjoying my cupcakes, and not out and about trying to procure a little muffin.
12) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update XX I - All are welcome in the Critter Cafe (Message 1645382)
Posted 9 days ago by Profile AngelaProject donor
It is a soft spring day outside and buds are opening on my plum tree.

I am going to go outside and enjoy their beauty.
13) Message boards : Cafe SETI : I lost a bet....part II....the rest of the story. (Message 1645379)
Posted 9 days ago by Profile AngelaProject donor
If I were an alien, I am not,...

Thank you, Celt, for clarifying that!!! Had you, too, been from another planet, I think I would have been on the verge of agreeing with a dear friend who said elsewhere, "We have too much immigration".
14) Message boards : Cafe SETI : I lost a bet....part II....the rest of the story. (Message 1645352)
Posted 9 days ago by Profile AngelaProject donor
Banishment is a tool that moderators use when they need relief from a poster who is taxing their patience unduly. Different moderating teams have different levels of collective patience.

I know that some of you will be up-in-arms because this does not seem "consistent" or "fair" to you. This is, I suspect, because you see banishment as a punishment. Please free yourself from this notion if you can. Banishment is only a tool that our moderators are free to use, or not use, at their discretion.
15) Message boards : Politics : Your patience levels? (Message 1645349)
Posted 9 days ago by Profile AngelaProject donor
To suit me I'll have the law changed then. Okaaaay, I iz a Fedual Baron, gotta gun, wanna argue?.

Mr. Schwarzeneger is not nearly as popular in reality as he is in his own mind. I sincerely doubt that we will change our constitution to accommodate his political aspirations. Still, it is important for a democracy to be able to change its rules. We did it to outlaw slavery, for example, and also to allow women to vote. We tend to reserve constitutional amendments for big issues. Mr. Schwarzeneger, despite his history as a body builder, is not a "big issue".



We have a benefits culture instead of preferring to work
We have too much immigration
Our NHS is a magnet to health tourists
Europe as in the EU are taking liberties
Mainstean Education has gone down the pan
Too many politicians caught fiddling expenses
Proportional representation for the people? Hah!!

Wow. I shall leave it to citizens of your own country to debate these issues with you but Chris, as an outsider looking in, your positions do come across as "harsh".

Were I a citizen of the UK, I sincerely doubt that I would share a political party with you.



But I will support my country as a principle and stand up for it, whilst admitting to all it's faults, and I do not see any criticism as insulting, merely informative.

Nobly said and a position, regarding my own country, on which we agree.

And to my fellow countrymen I say that just because I do not fly American flags from a gas-guzzling truck with gun racks on top of it does not mean that I am not a deeply patriotic citizen. Social-conservatives do not have a monopoly on patriotism. They just happen to be good at grabbing the media spotlight for their demonstrations of patriotism.



For a self confessed fairly hard line left winger, to get stirred into a patriotic frame of mind is indeed quite an achievement, wow!

Working for social justice is an expression of patriotism.

Peace on earth.
16) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Off to bed now...night night and sweet dreams everyone :) #5 (Message 1645201)
Posted 10 days ago by Profile AngelaProject donor
Goodnight Scott.
17) Message boards : Cafe SETI : TLPTPW # 232 - Soon reel soon... (Message 1645197)
Posted 10 days ago by Profile AngelaProject donor
Winning without racoons tonight.
I think?




Think again...
18) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update XX I - All are welcome in the Critter Cafe (Message 1645185)
Posted 10 days ago by Profile AngelaProject donor
Just because Angela is a woman, it does not mean she is obliged to enjoy your attentions.

I sincerely believe she does not.

As long as I am a mod here she has the right to post unpestered.


Thank you Es. Your assessment is 100% correct and I greatly appreciate your moderating intervention.
19) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update XX I - All are welcome in the Critter Cafe (Message 1645167)
Posted 10 days ago by Profile AngelaProject donor
And another thought Mark...

I would be happy to set up a crowd funding site to fund counseling services for Ms. Lori. Women who remain in relationships with men who treat them disrespectfully often have a history trauma and abuse. If Ms. Lori feels she could benefit from counseling, but finds that funds are a barrier, I would be happy to help.
20) Message boards : Technical News : Latest Astropulse Status (Message 1645159)
Posted 10 days ago by Profile AngelaProject donor
Thank you for the update Pookers. You may now have a cupcake.


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