Posts by BilBg

21) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home v8.19 Windows GPU applications support thread (Message 1833672)
Posted 2 Dec 2016 by Profile BilBg
Post:
2) Checkpoints problem
On "Very VHAR" tasks this app almost do not checkpoint on my computer

MB8_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATi_HD5_r3557

Have NO problem to checkpoint on AR:
1.389965
2.598181
2.725368 (maybe checkpoints every ~1.5 minutes)

Have semi-problem to checkpoint (every ~3 minutes, not at <1 minute as is set) on AR:
4.195846

HAVE problem to checkpoint on AR:
12.638138
103.055695

I will try offline test with r3578 for AR 103.055695 (I have the WU)
and in BOINC for AR 4.195846 (the WU is paused in BOINC)
22) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home v8.19 Windows GPU applications support thread (Message 1833647)
Posted 2 Dec 2016 by Profile BilBg
Post:
I made a short test to train myself how to record RAM usage.
(longer will be when I have more time
- Note/Edit: this post was written ~20 h ago and was on "Preview" when Internet stopped; Now longer test is running and I post this)

For this short test results are almost the same for default 15ms (empty mb_cmdline.txt), -tt 5 and -tt 60

PG0395_v8.wu

-tt 5
Target kernel sequence time set to 5ms

"Process(MB8_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATi_HD5_r3557)\Working Set"
"12/01/2016 18:30:49.288"	" "
"12/01/2016 18:30:59.288"	" "
"12/01/2016 18:31:09.288"	"96022528"
"12/01/2016 18:31:19.288"	"97103872"
"12/01/2016 18:31:29.288"	"98578432"
"12/01/2016 18:31:39.288"	"100204544"
"12/01/2016 18:31:49.288"	"101810176"
"12/01/2016 18:31:59.288"	"103235584"
"12/01/2016 18:32:09.288"	"104853504"
"12/01/2016 18:32:19.288"	"106450944"
"12/01/2016 18:32:29.288"	"108068864"
"12/01/2016 18:32:39.288"	"109727744"
"12/01/2016 18:32:49.288"	"111333376"
"12/01/2016 18:32:59.288"	"112959488"
"12/01/2016 18:33:09.288"	"114565120"
"12/01/2016 18:33:19.288"	"115978240"
"12/01/2016 18:33:29.288"	"117358592"
"12/01/2016 18:33:39.288"	"118685696"
"12/01/2016 18:33:49.288"	"120037376"
"12/01/2016 18:33:59.288"	"121438208"
"12/01/2016 18:34:09.288"	"122822656"
"12/01/2016 18:34:19.288"	"124170240"
"12/01/2016 18:34:29.288"	"125440000"
"12/01/2016 18:34:39.288"	"126820352"
"12/01/2016 18:34:49.288"	"128233472"
"12/01/2016 18:34:59.288"	" "
"12/01/2016 18:35:09.288"	" "



-tt 60
Target kernel sequence time set to 60ms

"Process(MB8_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATi_HD5_r3557)\Working Set"
"12/01/2016 19:20:48.382"	" "
"12/01/2016 19:20:58.382"	" "
"12/01/2016 19:21:08.382"	"96006144"
"12/01/2016 19:21:18.382"	"97083392"
"12/01/2016 19:21:28.382"	"98365440"
"12/01/2016 19:21:38.382"	"99975168"
"12/01/2016 19:21:48.382"	"101584896"
"12/01/2016 19:21:58.382"	"103215104"
"12/01/2016 19:22:08.382"	"104824832"
"12/01/2016 19:22:18.382"	"106434560"
"12/01/2016 19:22:28.382"	"107847680"
"12/01/2016 19:22:38.382"	"109490176"
"12/01/2016 19:22:48.382"	"111091712"
"12/01/2016 19:22:58.382"	"112717824"
"12/01/2016 19:23:08.382"	"114323456"
"12/01/2016 19:23:18.382"	"115752960"
"12/01/2016 19:23:28.382"	"117121024"
"12/01/2016 19:23:38.382"	"118390784"
"12/01/2016 19:23:48.382"	"119812096"
"12/01/2016 19:23:58.382"	"121114624"
"12/01/2016 19:24:08.382"	"122503168"
"12/01/2016 19:24:18.382"	"123969536"
"12/01/2016 19:24:28.382"	"125022208"
"12/01/2016 19:24:38.382"	"126447616"
"12/01/2016 19:24:48.382"	"127762432"
"12/01/2016 19:24:58.382"	" "
"12/01/2016 19:25:08.382"	" "
23) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1833452)
Posted 1 Dec 2016 by Profile BilBg
Post:
If the problem is somewhere in the antenna - receiver - recorder chain at Arecibo...

If that is true wouldn't it also "poison" the MB tasks?
24) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU Wars 2016:  Pascal vs Polaris (Message 1833451)
Posted 1 Dec 2016 by Profile BilBg
Post:
I couldn't get Windows to update either

From W10Privacy Changelog:
http://www.winprivacy.de/deutsch-start/versionshistorie/
2.1.1.0 (20.03.2016)
- The search for Windows updates is now also possible via Commandline: With the parameter "/ s checkupdates", W10Privacy can be started in unattended mode so that it searches for updates afterwards (if necessary, The search for updates necessary prerequisites are set by Gui). If updates are detected, the well-known window is displayed in which the updates to be installed can be selected.
- The search for Windows updates via W10Privacy is now done faster, since updates are no longer checked on the Fake WSUS, but directly on "Windows Update". However, in networks that actually provide a WSUS server, this option is disadvantageous, so the search for updates can be activated with a "Fake WSUS". A "standard user" should not select this option, the search takes longer.
...

This (maybe) means that W10Privacy have its own "search for Windows updates", I wonder if that will be any different than the "standard"...
25) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1833448)
Posted 1 Dec 2016 by Profile BilBg
Post:
Do you still collect/need more statistics?

Name						Size		Packed Size	Outcome

ap_20jl16ae_B2_P0_00166_20161126_15870.wu	8 392 047	8 309 274	02:03:35 (00:09:21), single pulses: 3, repetitive pulses: 0, percent blanked: 4.740
ap_21jl16ae_B1_P1_00108_20161126_21080.wu	8 392 045	8 296 211	02:06:04 (00:11:10), single pulses: 0, repetitive pulses: 0, percent blanked: 22.200
ap_21jl16ae_B0_P1_00221_20161126_15900.wu	8 392 034	8 152 638	02:07:33 (00:14:15), single pulses: 1, repetitive pulses: 0, percent blanked: 47.700
ap_26no15ae_B5_P1_00187_20161127_06985.wu	8 392 045	8 091 546	00:00:02 (-), percent blanked: 100.000
ap_21ja16ae_B0_P0_00007_20161126_11879.wu	8 392 029	7 463 225	00:00:03 (00:00:01), percent blanked: 100.000
ap_21ja16af_B1_P0_00000_20161126_05778.wu	8 392 040	7 051 024	00:00:03 (00:00:01), percent blanked: 100.000
ap_21ja16af_B5_P1_00307_20161126_27903.wu	8 392 046	6 766 875	00:00:03 (00:00:01), percent blanked: 100.000
ap_21ja16af_B2_P1_00211_20161126_07938.wu	8 392 047	6 639 150	00:00:03 (00:00:01), percent blanked: 100.000
ap_21ja16ae_B3_P1_00100_20161126_14685.wu	8 392 048	4 405 739	00:00:03 (00:00:01), percent blanked: 100.000
26) Message boards : News : Web site upgrade (Message 1833442)
Posted 1 Dec 2016 by Profile BilBg
Post:

I see almost the same (and I like that better on my (not good focus) CRT 21" monitor @ 1600x1200 than the thin letters in Raistmer's image):



This is in:
FlashPeak Slimjet Browser Portable 3.1.6.0 (Chromium 40) - I used incognito window to avoid influence by any extensions
Windows XP - Language Setting for both the OS and browser is English

No ClearType (I don't like it):

27) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home v8.19 Windows GPU applications support thread (Message 1833063)
Posted 28 Nov 2016 by Profile BilBg
Post:
- Some tasks seem to not grow or do it very slowly -

Now I think that (all?) VLAR tasks "grow" very slow in the last 1/3 of processing.
Didn't look very closely to the exact % but if VLAR task is restarted at ~70-75% it starts with ~96 MB RAM usage and slow (10-20 KB/s) "grows".

I now watched blc4_2bit_guppi_57424_45606_HIP73165_OFF_0026.19637.416.17.26.219.vlar   ar=0.011183
- restarted from 73% at 96 MB and go to 99% at 114 MB (% as shown by BoincTasks)
28) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU Wars 2016:  Pascal vs Polaris (Message 1833037)
Posted 28 Nov 2016 by Profile BilBg
Post:
Going back to Windows 7 soon if this carries on

If you are "determined" to brake this Windows 10

Try if stopping driver updates by this 2 programs work and can be reversed
(I seem to remember some very old reports that once you disable updates by O&O ShutUp10 this can't be reversed)
https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10
http://www.winprivacy.de/english-home/

And if DDU works to clean everything NVIDIA
http://www.wagnardmobile.com/?q=node/125
http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-uninstaller-download.html
29) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home v8.19 Windows GPU applications support thread (Message 1833034)
Posted 28 Nov 2016 by Profile BilBg
Post:
But even that was done on 730 before...so 1050 should be like a Space shuttle compared to Appolo!

Apollo can go to the moon, Space shuttle can't ...
So I'm not sure which is a greater achievement?
30) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home v8.19 Windows GPU applications support thread (Message 1833030)
Posted 28 Nov 2016 by Profile BilBg
Post:
this sounds more like memory leak indeed,I'll look where it can hide.

Two notes:
- Seems that BoincTasks records the RAM usage only from the last restart - near the end ~90% I restarted a task which was at >300 MB RAM and it grow only to 120 MB at finish and that 120 MB is shown now in History tab of BoincTasks

- Some tasks seem to not grow or do it very slowly - this task was paused hours ago (so I don't remember its RAM usage) and when I restarted it it run for >20 minutes without much grow:
(it was at ~98 MB for a few minutes when I watched, "usually" the grow I see is 1 MB per few (5-8) seconds)
blc4_2bit_guppi_57424_45953_HIP74190_0027.17319.416.18.27.165.vlar_0	01:26:24 (00:02:16)	0.04C + 1ATI	107.84 MB	115.79 MB	ar=0.008858

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?result_name=blc4_2bit_guppi_57424_45953_HIP74190_0027.17319.416.18.27.165.vlar_0
31) Message boards : Number crunching : Safe Shutdown (Message 1833022)
Posted 28 Nov 2016 by Profile BilBg
Post:
No need for "UPS network management"
boinccmd itself can access LAN
In the line:
%cmdpath% --host NODE1 %cmd%

"NODE1" is the name or IP of computer on LAN
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Boinccmd_tool

That computer's BOINC have to allow remote access:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Controlling_BOINC_remotely
32) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home v8.19 Windows GPU applications support thread (Message 1833020)
Posted 28 Nov 2016 by Profile BilBg
Post:
What if Cat version will be changed - memory usage differs?

Catalyst 11.12 (posted earlier)
I don't want to change to Catalyst 12.01 (Windows XP, remember? Those are the only two versions with working OpenCL)
33) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home v8.19 Windows GPU applications support thread (Message 1833018)
Posted 28 Nov 2016 by Profile BilBg
Post:
On the picture one 8,12 task shows 548MB and another - 447MB RAM usage

They are old Downloads - I had 2-3 SETI@home tasks when I installed Lunatics_Win32_v0.45_Beta6-for-SoG_setup
(one of them may also be partially done by both apps, I don't remember - but I have stderr.txt archived by BoincMonitor (to 30 days back) if you want me to find some info)


30 mins for VHAR looks quite slow

The last such task:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?result_name=05no09ad.29451.67.3.30.158_0


EDIT: and maybe that looked like memory leak issue actually not leak at all but just the room to keep all events for enqueued kernels. If so adding additional sync points will help both issues.

I forgot to post previously - if I restart a "normal" (non-VHAR) task at e.g. 50% when it may be using 300 MB RAM - the app starts at 100 MB again (and continues from 50% done) and do not "jump" to 300 MB so at the end (e.g. 95%) it uses less RAM than if run without restart.
34) Message boards : Number crunching : Open Beta test: SoG for NVidia, Lunatics v0.45 - Beta6 (RC again) (Message 1832981)
Posted 28 Nov 2016 by Profile BilBg
Post:
BOINC quirk:
Despite you put at the top (in MB8_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATi_HD5.aistub):

    <app_version>
        <app_name>setiathome_v8</app_name>
        <version_num>819</version_num>
        <api_version>7.5.0</api_version>
        <avg_ncpus>0.04</avg_ncpus>
        <max_ncpus>0.2</max_ncpus>
        <plan_class>opencl_ati5_sah</plan_class>

... the new downloaded tasks were labelled:
<version_num>820</version_num>
<plan_class>opencl_ati5_sah</plan_class>



(transition from Lunatics_Win32_v0.45_Beta4 to Beta6)

BOINC 6.10.58 decided to sort by version_num and choose the highest?
35) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home v8.19 Windows GPU applications support thread (Message 1832973)
Posted 28 Nov 2016 by Profile BilBg
Post:
MB8_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATi_HD5_r3557.exe
AMD Radeon HD 6570 - Catalyst 11.12
Windows XP

1) RAM problem
Is it normal for ATi_HD5_r3557 to use so much RAM?
It starts at 100 MB, slowly increases and ends in 400-700 MB depending on task (r3500 used to use 100-120 MB)
(Video RAM usage is OK - constant during run 230-270 MB depending on task)

This RAM usage increasing is visible in Process Lasso and is also recorded by BoincTasks:
https://s21.postimg.org/5etbuf8xx/Boinc_Tasks_RAM_r3500_vs_r3557.png


2) Checkpoints problem
On "Very VHAR" tasks this app almost do not checkpoint on my computer:
- I monitored "by eye" tasks with ar=103.05 and ar=12.63
- tasks run to completion in normal time ~33 minutes
- they do not checkpoint until last minute - files state.sah and boinc_task_state.xml are created only @ minute 32 and after another minute the task finishes
In these last-minute files are these lines:
<prog>0.10701535</prog>
<fraction_done>0.926736</fraction_done>

- in init_data.xml is the checkpoint_period set by me (and other non-VHAR tasks obey it):
<checkpoint_period>47.000000</checkpoint_period>

- during run (using BOINC 6.10.58) BOINC Manager and BoincTasks show (after ~8 minutes) fake frozen "Progress" of 86.9 % which stays the same till ~minute 32

- After the startup CPU-only phase (~13 s) the RAM usage jumps (in 1 s) from 100 to 520 MB and stays the same till the end

- if the computation is interrupted (e.g. by Snooze) the tasks restart from beginning as if run for the first time:
Work Unit Info:
...............
Credit multiplier is :  2.85
WU true angle range is :  103.055695
Used GPU device parameters are:
	Number of compute units: 6
	Single buffer allocation size: 128MB
	Total device global memory: 512MB
	max WG size: 256
	local mem type: Real
	LotOfMem path: yes
	LowPerformanceGPU path: no
	HighPerformanceGPU path: no
period_iterations_num=50
Running on device number: 0
Priority of worker thread raised successfully
.....
36) Message boards : Number crunching : The wonders of Micro$oft Windoze (Message 1831144)
Posted 18 Nov 2016 by Profile BilBg
Post:
user name with bad religious overtones

Don't know why you say my user name is 'religious'
...
On the other hand, when composing a post, the Rules do include:
No messages intended to annoy ... or to hijack a thread.
No messages that are deliberately hostile,... or insulting.

And you omit what not suits your "proof of innocence":
"No abusive comments involving race, religion, nationality ..."

For me your usernames, signature, Profile are full with religion.
You don't have just one username:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/team_members.php?teamid=134455

This will annoy anyone that is atheist or have another religion.

The very long username makes the formatting of the web pages "broken":
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_forum.php?id=10

And you try to spread that religion on many projects (of course unsuccessfully, such pushing-in-the-face is just (very) annoying)
37) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1831138)
Posted 18 Nov 2016 by Profile BilBg
Post:
Name						Size		Packed Size	Outcome

ap_09no15ac_B1_P1_00139_20161114_16249.wu	8 392 045	8 328 954	00:00:04 (-), percent blanked: 100.000
ap_30dc09aj_B6_P1_00308_20161115_16691.wu	8 392 047	8 323 397	02:04:18 (00:09:22), single pulses: 2, repetitive pulses: 4, percent blanked: 9.730
ap_31dc09aa_B6_P1_00226_20161029_17254.wu	8 392 047	8 322 674	02:05:07 (00:09:07), single pulses: 3, repetitive pulses: 2, percent blanked: 3.270
ap_21jl16ac_B2_P0_00363_20161029_30868.wu	8 392 048	8 320 418	02:08:39 (00:11:13), single pulses: 3, repetitive pulses: 1, percent blanked: 22.900
ap_09no15ac_B0_P1_00122_20161114_25012.wu	8 392 033	8 289 832	02:09:25 (00:15:46), single pulses: 0, repetitive pulses: 0, percent blanked: 60.000
ap_07fe09af_B6_P0_00105_20161114_07306.wu	8 392 044	8 270 711	02:03:05 (00:08:24), single pulses: 10, repetitive pulses: 30, percent blanked: 2.640
ap_11jl16ac_B5_P1_00047_20161112_25077.wu	8 392 044	8 222 328	02:02:42 (00:08:35), single pulses: 8, repetitive pulses: 7, percent blanked: 5.320
ap_09no15ac_B1_P0_00029_20161114_25188.wu	8 392 045	8 213 529	00:59:45 (00:04:14), percent blanked: 9.920
ap_09no15ac_B1_P0_00324_20161114_25188.wu	8 392 047	8 196 409	00:00:04 (-), percent blanked: 100.000
ap_03fe16ac_B3_P0_00159_20161112_10509.wu	8 392 049	8 172 523	00:00:05 (-), percent blanked: 100.000
ap_09no15ac_B4_P0_00120_20161114_12155.wu	8 392 047	8 155 379	02:05:44 (00:10:36), single pulses: 3, repetitive pulses: 1, percent blanked: 19.800
ap_26no15ac_B0_P1_00306_20161029_17380.wu	8 392 034	8 152 065	00:00:15 (-), percent blanked: 100.000
ap_27no15ac_B0_P1_00121_20161029_24827.wu	8 392 033	8 127 775	00:00:12 (-), percent blanked: 100.000
ap_12ja16ac_B4_P0_00084_20161114_15341.wu	8 392 046	7 239 961	00:00:04 (-), percent blanked: 100.000
ap_12ja16ac_B2_P0_00329_20161114_08159.wu	8 392 047	7 211 955	00:00:05 (00:00:01), percent blanked: 100.000
ap_03fe16ac_B4_P0_00127_20161112_21784.wu	8 392 046	6 966 687	00:00:04 (00:00:01), percent blanked: 100.000
ap_12ja16ac_B2_P1_00137_20161114_06823.wu	8 392 046	6 914 347	00:00:04 (00:00:01), percent blanked: 100.000
ap_11jl16ac_B3_P1_00334_20161112_27468.wu	8 392 050	5 248 017	00:00:05 (00:00:01), percent blanked: 100.000
38) Message boards : News : Nebula: Completing the SETI@home pipeline (Message 1830724)
Posted 15 Nov 2016 by Profile BilBg
Post:
This resolution divides the sphere into 2^26 (about 54 million) pixels...

The other (cosmetic) typo is that 2^26 == 67108864 which is not really "about 54 million"
39) Message boards : News : Nebula: Completing the SETI@home pipeline (Message 1830654)
Posted 15 Nov 2016 by Profile BilBg
Post:
From this page:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/nebula_web/persistent.php

"We use a resolution at which each pixel is about as large as a telescope beam.
This resolution divides the sphere into 2^26 (about 54 million) pixels, of which about 16 million are visible from the Arecibo telescope."

From code:
https://setisvn.ssl.berkeley.edu/trac/browser/seti_science/nebula/tables.h

// largest possible pixel#
//
#define MAX_PIXEL (2<<26)


I think 2<<26 == 2^27

e.g. 2<<1 == 4 == 2^2

http://www.c4learn.com/c-programming/c-bitwise-left-shift-operator/


Note: In the above I used "^" to denote "power", not XOR
 
40) Questions and Answers : Windows : Question about project under Boinc, or Seti. (Message 1830633)
Posted 15 Nov 2016 by Profile BilBg
Post:
Folding@home in the column "BOINC based" have "No":
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_distributed_computing_projects
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Folding@home

BOINC projects:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/projects.php
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Project_list


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