Posts by BilBg

1) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home v8.19 Windows GPU applications support thread (Message 1833712)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile BilBg
There is 8.21 apps deployed for testing on beta.
Please verify your observations regarding excessive memory usage on all 3 app's flavours.
...
Lets see what app flavour your hardware select on beta before moving further on this topic.

Not possible to "see what app flavour your hardware select on beta" - I run BOINC 6.10.58 so run "beta" only by app_info.xml (else I don't get any tasks)
So for "all 3 app's flavours" I need exact file-names to make (by hand) Download URLs
2) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home v8.19 Windows GPU applications support thread (Message 1833711)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile BilBg
"Long" run (I did this ~6 h ago)

MB8_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATi_HD5_r3557.exe

WU:
09fe09aa.7329.14796.7.34.239
<true_angle_range>0.44810357783225</true_angle_range>

1) This was run under BOINC (no cmdline) and BoincTasks recorded (second "MB" is from "Virtual" column):
09fe09aa.7329.14796.7.34.239_0	01:01:18 (00:02:45)	0.04C + 1ATI	689.01 MB	696.77 MB

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?result_name=09fe09aa.7329.14796.7.34.239_0


2) Offline run - did not show change of max RAM used (from the above "under BOINC (no cmdline)" 15ms and this 60ms):
-tt 60
Target kernel sequence time set to 60ms

(721338368 bytes ~= 687.92 MB)

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"12/02/2016 17:35:58.429"	"651542528"
"12/02/2016 17:36:08.429"	"653479936"
"12/02/2016 17:36:18.429"	"655388672"
"12/02/2016 17:36:28.429"	"657489920"
"12/02/2016 17:36:38.429"	"659513344"
"12/02/2016 17:36:48.429"	"661614592"
"12/02/2016 17:36:58.429"	"663187456"
"12/02/2016 17:37:08.429"	"665161728"
"12/02/2016 17:37:18.429"	"667271168"
"12/02/2016 17:37:28.429"	"669110272"
"12/02/2016 17:37:38.429"	"671256576"
"12/02/2016 17:37:48.429"	"673226752"
"12/02/2016 17:37:58.429"	"674881536"
"12/02/2016 17:38:08.429"	"674975744"
"12/02/2016 17:38:18.429"	"676790272"
"12/02/2016 17:38:28.429"	"678809600"
"12/02/2016 17:38:38.429"	"680910848"
"12/02/2016 17:38:48.429"	"682823680"
"12/02/2016 17:38:58.429"	"684888064"
"12/02/2016 17:39:08.429"	"686911488"
"12/02/2016 17:39:18.429"	"688533504"
"12/02/2016 17:39:28.429"	"690642944"
"12/02/2016 17:39:38.429"	"692621312"
"12/02/2016 17:39:48.429"	"694726656"
"12/02/2016 17:39:58.429"	"696549376"
"12/02/2016 17:40:08.429"	"698568704"
"12/02/2016 17:40:18.429"	"700674048"
"12/02/2016 17:40:28.429"	"701710336"
"12/02/2016 17:40:38.429"	"703758336"
"12/02/2016 17:40:48.429"	"705736704"
"12/02/2016 17:40:58.429"	"707788800"
"12/02/2016 17:41:08.429"	"709648384"
"12/02/2016 17:41:18.429"	"711524352"
"12/02/2016 17:41:28.429"	"713572352"
"12/02/2016 17:41:38.429"	"715149312"
"12/02/2016 17:41:48.429"	"717230080"
"12/02/2016 17:41:58.429"	"719278080"
"12/02/2016 17:42:08.429"	"721338368"
"12/02/2016 17:42:18.429"	" "
"12/02/2016 17:42:28.429"	" "
3) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home v8.19 Windows GPU applications support thread (Message 1833699)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile BilBg
Have semi-problem to checkpoint (every ~3 minutes, not at <1 minute as is set) on AR:
4.195846
...
and in BOINC for AR 4.195846 (the WU is paused in BOINC)

(now BOINC is on r3578)
For this is Fixed:
- checkpoints every ~50 seconds
- <prog> almost == <fraction_done> for all duration of the run

Not fixed (something I forgot to report earlier):
- On 'Snooze' or any other pause of such task - the process waits ~10 seconds before exiting
-- in this "slow exiting" the app don't write to stderr.txt the usual:
GPU device sync requested... ...GPU device synched
Termination request detected or computations are finished. GPU device synched, exiting...

(this "GPU device sync" is written when pausing VLAR tasks)
4) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC client isn't downloading new S@H workunits on S6 Android (Message 1833678)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile BilBg
"Add project" (the same way you did for SETI@home) and Copy/Paste the following URL (there should be a box named URL in the "Add project" dialog):
http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/

And the same is the Home/start page of "SETI@home Beta" project:
http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/
5) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home v8.19 Windows GPU applications support thread (Message 1833672)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile BilBg
2) Checkpoints problem
On "Very VHAR" tasks this app almost do not checkpoint on my computer

MB8_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATi_HD5_r3557

Have NO problem to checkpoint on AR:
1.389965
2.598181
2.725368 (maybe checkpoints every ~1.5 minutes)

Have semi-problem to checkpoint (every ~3 minutes, not at <1 minute as is set) on AR:
4.195846

HAVE problem to checkpoint on AR:
12.638138
103.055695

I will try offline test with r3578 for AR 103.055695 (I have the WU)
and in BOINC for AR 4.195846 (the WU is paused in BOINC)
6) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home v8.19 Windows GPU applications support thread (Message 1833647)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile BilBg
I made a short test to train myself how to record RAM usage.
(longer will be when I have more time
- Note/Edit: this post was written ~20 h ago and was on "Preview" when Internet stopped; Now longer test is running and I post this)

For this short test results are almost the same for default 15ms (empty mb_cmdline.txt), -tt 5 and -tt 60

PG0395_v8.wu

-tt 5
Target kernel sequence time set to 5ms

"Process(MB8_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATi_HD5_r3557)\Working Set"
"12/01/2016 18:30:49.288"	" "
"12/01/2016 18:30:59.288"	" "
"12/01/2016 18:31:09.288"	"96022528"
"12/01/2016 18:31:19.288"	"97103872"
"12/01/2016 18:31:29.288"	"98578432"
"12/01/2016 18:31:39.288"	"100204544"
"12/01/2016 18:31:49.288"	"101810176"
"12/01/2016 18:31:59.288"	"103235584"
"12/01/2016 18:32:09.288"	"104853504"
"12/01/2016 18:32:19.288"	"106450944"
"12/01/2016 18:32:29.288"	"108068864"
"12/01/2016 18:32:39.288"	"109727744"
"12/01/2016 18:32:49.288"	"111333376"
"12/01/2016 18:32:59.288"	"112959488"
"12/01/2016 18:33:09.288"	"114565120"
"12/01/2016 18:33:19.288"	"115978240"
"12/01/2016 18:33:29.288"	"117358592"
"12/01/2016 18:33:39.288"	"118685696"
"12/01/2016 18:33:49.288"	"120037376"
"12/01/2016 18:33:59.288"	"121438208"
"12/01/2016 18:34:09.288"	"122822656"
"12/01/2016 18:34:19.288"	"124170240"
"12/01/2016 18:34:29.288"	"125440000"
"12/01/2016 18:34:39.288"	"126820352"
"12/01/2016 18:34:49.288"	"128233472"
"12/01/2016 18:34:59.288"	" "
"12/01/2016 18:35:09.288"	" "



-tt 60
Target kernel sequence time set to 60ms

"Process(MB8_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATi_HD5_r3557)\Working Set"
"12/01/2016 19:20:48.382"	" "
"12/01/2016 19:20:58.382"	" "
"12/01/2016 19:21:08.382"	"96006144"
"12/01/2016 19:21:18.382"	"97083392"
"12/01/2016 19:21:28.382"	"98365440"
"12/01/2016 19:21:38.382"	"99975168"
"12/01/2016 19:21:48.382"	"101584896"
"12/01/2016 19:21:58.382"	"103215104"
"12/01/2016 19:22:08.382"	"104824832"
"12/01/2016 19:22:18.382"	"106434560"
"12/01/2016 19:22:28.382"	"107847680"
"12/01/2016 19:22:38.382"	"109490176"
"12/01/2016 19:22:48.382"	"111091712"
"12/01/2016 19:22:58.382"	"112717824"
"12/01/2016 19:23:08.382"	"114323456"
"12/01/2016 19:23:18.382"	"115752960"
"12/01/2016 19:23:28.382"	"117121024"
"12/01/2016 19:23:38.382"	"118390784"
"12/01/2016 19:23:48.382"	"119812096"
"12/01/2016 19:23:58.382"	"121114624"
"12/01/2016 19:24:08.382"	"122503168"
"12/01/2016 19:24:18.382"	"123969536"
"12/01/2016 19:24:28.382"	"125022208"
"12/01/2016 19:24:38.382"	"126447616"
"12/01/2016 19:24:48.382"	"127762432"
"12/01/2016 19:24:58.382"	" "
"12/01/2016 19:25:08.382"	" "
7) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1833452)
Posted 6 days ago by Profile BilBg
If the problem is somewhere in the antenna - receiver - recorder chain at Arecibo...

If that is true wouldn't it also "poison" the MB tasks?
8) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU Wars 2016:  Pascal vs Polaris (Message 1833451)
Posted 6 days ago by Profile BilBg
I couldn't get Windows to update either

From W10Privacy Changelog:
http://www.winprivacy.de/deutsch-start/versionshistorie/
2.1.1.0 (20.03.2016)
- The search for Windows updates is now also possible via Commandline: With the parameter "/ s checkupdates", W10Privacy can be started in unattended mode so that it searches for updates afterwards (if necessary, The search for updates necessary prerequisites are set by Gui). If updates are detected, the well-known window is displayed in which the updates to be installed can be selected.
- The search for Windows updates via W10Privacy is now done faster, since updates are no longer checked on the Fake WSUS, but directly on "Windows Update". However, in networks that actually provide a WSUS server, this option is disadvantageous, so the search for updates can be activated with a "Fake WSUS". A "standard user" should not select this option, the search takes longer.
...

This (maybe) means that W10Privacy have its own "search for Windows updates", I wonder if that will be any different than the "standard"...
9) Message boards : Number crunching : Anything relating to AstroPulse tasks (Message 1833448)
Posted 6 days ago by Profile BilBg
Do you still collect/need more statistics?

Name						Size		Packed Size	Outcome

ap_20jl16ae_B2_P0_00166_20161126_15870.wu	8 392 047	8 309 274	02:03:35 (00:09:21), single pulses: 3, repetitive pulses: 0, percent blanked: 4.740
ap_21jl16ae_B1_P1_00108_20161126_21080.wu	8 392 045	8 296 211	02:06:04 (00:11:10), single pulses: 0, repetitive pulses: 0, percent blanked: 22.200
ap_21jl16ae_B0_P1_00221_20161126_15900.wu	8 392 034	8 152 638	02:07:33 (00:14:15), single pulses: 1, repetitive pulses: 0, percent blanked: 47.700
ap_26no15ae_B5_P1_00187_20161127_06985.wu	8 392 045	8 091 546	00:00:02 (-), percent blanked: 100.000
ap_21ja16ae_B0_P0_00007_20161126_11879.wu	8 392 029	7 463 225	00:00:03 (00:00:01), percent blanked: 100.000
ap_21ja16af_B1_P0_00000_20161126_05778.wu	8 392 040	7 051 024	00:00:03 (00:00:01), percent blanked: 100.000
ap_21ja16af_B5_P1_00307_20161126_27903.wu	8 392 046	6 766 875	00:00:03 (00:00:01), percent blanked: 100.000
ap_21ja16af_B2_P1_00211_20161126_07938.wu	8 392 047	6 639 150	00:00:03 (00:00:01), percent blanked: 100.000
ap_21ja16ae_B3_P1_00100_20161126_14685.wu	8 392 048	4 405 739	00:00:03 (00:00:01), percent blanked: 100.000
10) Message boards : News : Web site upgrade (Message 1833442)
Posted 6 days ago by Profile BilBg

I see almost the same (and I like that better on my (not good focus) CRT 21" monitor @ 1600x1200 than the thin letters in Raistmer's image):



This is in:
FlashPeak Slimjet Browser Portable 3.1.6.0 (Chromium 40) - I used incognito window to avoid influence by any extensions
Windows XP - Language Setting for both the OS and browser is English

No ClearType (I don't like it):

11) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home v8.19 Windows GPU applications support thread (Message 1833063)
Posted 9 days ago by Profile BilBg
- Some tasks seem to not grow or do it very slowly -

Now I think that (all?) VLAR tasks "grow" very slow in the last 1/3 of processing.
Didn't look very closely to the exact % but if VLAR task is restarted at ~70-75% it starts with ~96 MB RAM usage and slow (10-20 KB/s) "grows".

I now watched blc4_2bit_guppi_57424_45606_HIP73165_OFF_0026.19637.416.17.26.219.vlar   ar=0.011183
- restarted from 73% at 96 MB and go to 99% at 114 MB (% as shown by BoincTasks)
12) Message boards : Number crunching : GPU Wars 2016:  Pascal vs Polaris (Message 1833037)
Posted 9 days ago by Profile BilBg
Going back to Windows 7 soon if this carries on

If you are "determined" to brake this Windows 10

Try if stopping driver updates by this 2 programs work and can be reversed
(I seem to remember some very old reports that once you disable updates by O&O ShutUp10 this can't be reversed)
https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10
http://www.winprivacy.de/english-home/

And if DDU works to clean everything NVIDIA
http://www.wagnardmobile.com/?q=node/125
http://www.guru3d.com/files-details/display-driver-uninstaller-download.html
13) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home v8.19 Windows GPU applications support thread (Message 1833034)
Posted 9 days ago by Profile BilBg
But even that was done on 730 before...so 1050 should be like a Space shuttle compared to Appolo!

Apollo can go to the moon, Space shuttle can't ...
So I'm not sure which is a greater achievement?
14) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home v8.19 Windows GPU applications support thread (Message 1833030)
Posted 9 days ago by Profile BilBg
this sounds more like memory leak indeed,I'll look where it can hide.

Two notes:
- Seems that BoincTasks records the RAM usage only from the last restart - near the end ~90% I restarted a task which was at >300 MB RAM and it grow only to 120 MB at finish and that 120 MB is shown now in History tab of BoincTasks

- Some tasks seem to not grow or do it very slowly - this task was paused hours ago (so I don't remember its RAM usage) and when I restarted it it run for >20 minutes without much grow:
(it was at ~98 MB for a few minutes when I watched, "usually" the grow I see is 1 MB per few (5-8) seconds)
blc4_2bit_guppi_57424_45953_HIP74190_0027.17319.416.18.27.165.vlar_0	01:26:24 (00:02:16)	0.04C + 1ATI	107.84 MB	115.79 MB	ar=0.008858

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?result_name=blc4_2bit_guppi_57424_45953_HIP74190_0027.17319.416.18.27.165.vlar_0
15) Message boards : Number crunching : Safe Shutdown (Message 1833022)
Posted 9 days ago by Profile BilBg
No need for "UPS network management"
boinccmd itself can access LAN
In the line:
%cmdpath% --host NODE1 %cmd%

"NODE1" is the name or IP of computer on LAN
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Boinccmd_tool

That computer's BOINC have to allow remote access:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Controlling_BOINC_remotely
16) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home v8.19 Windows GPU applications support thread (Message 1833020)
Posted 9 days ago by Profile BilBg
What if Cat version will be changed - memory usage differs?

Catalyst 11.12 (posted earlier)
I don't want to change to Catalyst 12.01 (Windows XP, remember? Those are the only two versions with working OpenCL)
17) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home v8.19 Windows GPU applications support thread (Message 1833018)
Posted 9 days ago by Profile BilBg
On the picture one 8,12 task shows 548MB and another - 447MB RAM usage

They are old Downloads - I had 2-3 SETI@home tasks when I installed Lunatics_Win32_v0.45_Beta6-for-SoG_setup
(one of them may also be partially done by both apps, I don't remember - but I have stderr.txt archived by BoincMonitor (to 30 days back) if you want me to find some info)


30 mins for VHAR looks quite slow

The last such task:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?result_name=05no09ad.29451.67.3.30.158_0


EDIT: and maybe that looked like memory leak issue actually not leak at all but just the room to keep all events for enqueued kernels. If so adding additional sync points will help both issues.

I forgot to post previously - if I restart a "normal" (non-VHAR) task at e.g. 50% when it may be using 300 MB RAM - the app starts at 100 MB again (and continues from 50% done) and do not "jump" to 300 MB so at the end (e.g. 95%) it uses less RAM than if run without restart.
18) Message boards : Number crunching : Open Beta test: SoG for NVidia, Lunatics v0.45 - Beta6 (RC again) (Message 1832981)
Posted 9 days ago by Profile BilBg
BOINC quirk:
Despite you put at the top (in MB8_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATi_HD5.aistub):

    <app_version>
        <app_name>setiathome_v8</app_name>
        <version_num>819</version_num>
        <api_version>7.5.0</api_version>
        <avg_ncpus>0.04</avg_ncpus>
        <max_ncpus>0.2</max_ncpus>
        <plan_class>opencl_ati5_sah</plan_class>

... the new downloaded tasks were labelled:
<version_num>820</version_num>
<plan_class>opencl_ati5_sah</plan_class>



(transition from Lunatics_Win32_v0.45_Beta4 to Beta6)

BOINC 6.10.58 decided to sort by version_num and choose the highest?
19) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home v8.19 Windows GPU applications support thread (Message 1832973)
Posted 9 days ago by Profile BilBg
MB8_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATi_HD5_r3557.exe
AMD Radeon HD 6570 - Catalyst 11.12
Windows XP

1) RAM problem
Is it normal for ATi_HD5_r3557 to use so much RAM?
It starts at 100 MB, slowly increases and ends in 400-700 MB depending on task (r3500 used to use 100-120 MB)
(Video RAM usage is OK - constant during run 230-270 MB depending on task)

This RAM usage increasing is visible in Process Lasso and is also recorded by BoincTasks:
https://s21.postimg.org/5etbuf8xx/Boinc_Tasks_RAM_r3500_vs_r3557.png


2) Checkpoints problem
On "Very VHAR" tasks this app almost do not checkpoint on my computer:
- I monitored "by eye" tasks with ar=103.05 and ar=12.63
- tasks run to completion in normal time ~33 minutes
- they do not checkpoint until last minute - files state.sah and boinc_task_state.xml are created only @ minute 32 and after another minute the task finishes
In these last-minute files are these lines:
<prog>0.10701535</prog>
<fraction_done>0.926736</fraction_done>

- in init_data.xml is the checkpoint_period set by me (and other non-VHAR tasks obey it):
<checkpoint_period>47.000000</checkpoint_period>

- during run (using BOINC 6.10.58) BOINC Manager and BoincTasks show (after ~8 minutes) fake frozen "Progress" of 86.9 % which stays the same till ~minute 32

- After the startup CPU-only phase (~13 s) the RAM usage jumps (in 1 s) from 100 to 520 MB and stays the same till the end

- if the computation is interrupted (e.g. by Snooze) the tasks restart from beginning as if run for the first time:
Work Unit Info:
...............
Credit multiplier is :  2.85
WU true angle range is :  103.055695
Used GPU device parameters are:
	Number of compute units: 6
	Single buffer allocation size: 128MB
	Total device global memory: 512MB
	max WG size: 256
	local mem type: Real
	LotOfMem path: yes
	LowPerformanceGPU path: no
	HighPerformanceGPU path: no
period_iterations_num=50
Running on device number: 0
Priority of worker thread raised successfully
.....
20) Message boards : Number crunching : The wonders of Micro$oft Windoze (Message 1831144)
Posted 19 days ago by Profile BilBg
user name with bad religious overtones

Don't know why you say my user name is 'religious'
...
On the other hand, when composing a post, the Rules do include:
No messages intended to annoy ... or to hijack a thread.
No messages that are deliberately hostile,... or insulting.

And you omit what not suits your "proof of innocence":
"No abusive comments involving race, religion, nationality ..."

For me your usernames, signature, Profile are full with religion.
You don't have just one username:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/team_members.php?teamid=134455

This will annoy anyone that is atheist or have another religion.

The very long username makes the formatting of the web pages "broken":
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_forum.php?id=10

And you try to spread that religion on many projects (of course unsuccessfully, such pushing-in-the-face is just (very) annoying)


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