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1) Questions and Answers : Windows : Why is my computing power/credit so low ? (Message 1819325)
Posted 2 days ago by Profile BilBg
Links to "some people"?

1) Do you run 24/7 ?

2) I don't see any CPU tasks in your list (i.e. you use now for SETI@home only your GPU - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060):
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=7985858

3) Most of "Top participants" run optimized applications.

This is 32 core CPU-only computer:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=7988722

... which is running optimized AVX CPU applications (which are maybe ~2x faster than stock)
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=7988722&offset=20&show_names=0&state=4&appid=
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=5177332193


How to run "Lunatics" optimized applications - read/ask here:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=79704

Note:
"Lunatics" is the group of programmers who write the apps.
Their GPU apps are already accepted as stock, i.e. applications you get automatically from SETI@home server and run now on your GPU:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=5173625375

But Lunatics CPU applications are much faster than the stock CPU app
The "Lunatics installer" makes it relatively easy (compared to pure manual "install") to use them.
(all (~15) the CPU + GPU apps are inside the installer)
2) Message boards : Number crunching : Open Beta test: SoG for NVidia, Lunatics v0.45 - Beta4 update (Message 1817864)
Posted 8 days ago by Profile BilBg
SIV only partly installed. It looks like Windows Vista does not recognize its method of driver signatures, and refuses to install its drivers.

SIV itself don't need installation, only unpak .zip and run one of the .exe
But it "installs" driver on first run of new version.
(Right-Click on [Help] -> [Remove SIV] to see what/where it changes)


"Version 5.00 released on 14-May-2015
Migrated from the SHA-1 to SHA-2 code signing. This has no real impact on most systems, but to use SIV V5 on W7 you need KB3033929 installed and on Vista x64 to disable Driver Signature Verification.
"
You can try Version 4.53
http://rh-software.com/index_arc.html
http://rh-software.com/downloads/zip/siv_v4.53.zip

(I'm still on SIV 4.30 as my Hardware/OS are old and because there was/is a bug with -TRAY switch in a few of the next versions I tried some 2 years ago

The -TRAY switch was implemented by the author of SIV (Ray Hinchliffe) by my request (~4 years ago):
-TRAY : Start SIV minimized in the Icon Tray and make Close, [ OK ], <Esc>, etc.. minimize (instead of exit).
)

I start SIV by this shortcut:
H:\Programs.Vis\Tools\Info\Siv\SIV32X.exe -Tray -INDENT -GPUCTL


It still produces a flood of information, which makes it hard to find the relevant parts.

The info you need is in the middle of the main window where it say "PSU"
Click the "blob" next/left to it to open [Sensors] or [H/W Status] (depending on SIV version)
Right-Click the "blob" to change its color
 
3) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI applications for NVIDIA GPU improvement - how you can help (Message 1817852)
Posted 8 days ago by Profile BilBg
But even though I set up specs for location "Work" to do only CPU tasks and changed that rig to location "Work", for some reason it continued to send me GPU tasks for the first couple of updates.

Yes, there are some web settings that 'don't take' if the local BOINC don't know about them.

To avoid confusion in the future:
- set [No New Tasks]
- change web Settings
- click [Update] (usually one update is enough but you may try two if you wish)
- set [Allow New Tasks]
4) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI applications for NVIDIA GPU improvement - how you can help (Message 1817740)
Posted 9 days ago by Profile BilBg
"host #7972413" is the number here.
What it is on S@H-Beta?
Because no other projects are shown still for you here to click on them:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_user.php?userid=9780569

EDIT:
OK, you posted the S@H-Beta hostid=80139 while I was writing this post:
http://setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu/beta/show_host_detail.php?hostid=80139


    I can't see a tasks or computers button to check the results for task AR so I am in the dark there

If you can see the stderr.txt you can see the AR

1) For reported tasks:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=5156999889
Lines:
ar=3.056596
WU true angle range is : 3.056596

2) For running tasks:
(the same lines as above) look in {BOINC-Data}\slots\ for stderr.txt

3) For not started tasks:
look in the WU file:
<true_angle_range>0.012198483347679</true_angle_range>


P.S.
You don't need to abort tasks here to run S@H-Beta
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=7972413&offset=0&show_names=0&state=6&appid=

You may put a project on "pause" by [Suspend] button on Projects tab:
BOINC Manager Advanced view
5) Message boards : Number crunching : Open Beta test: SoG for NVidia, Lunatics v0.45 - Beta4 update (Message 1817730)
Posted 9 days ago by Profile BilBg
15-Sep-2016 23:59:13 [SETI@home] Starting task blc4_2bit_guppi_57449_43932_HIP78775_0013.24448.0.18.27.37.vlar_0
15-Sep-2016 23:59:21 [SETI@home] task postponed 30.000000 sec:
15-Sep-2016 23:59:21 [SETI@home] task postponed 30.000000 sec:
15-Sep-2016 23:59:21 [SETI@home] Task postponed: CL file build failure
16-Sep-2016 01:28:50 [SETI@home] Computation for task blc4_2bit_guppi_57449_43932_HIP78775_0013.24448.0.18.27.37.vlar_0 finished
16-Sep-2016 01:28:52 [SETI@home] Started upload of blc4_2bit_guppi_57449_43932_HIP78775_0013.24448.0.18.27.37.vlar_0_0
16-Sep-2016 01:28:55 [SETI@home] Finished upload of blc4_2bit_guppi_57449_43932_HIP78775_0013.24448.0.18.27.37.vlar_0_0

It is a Pity the new/current BOINC versions don't show "Restarting task ..." by default.

Which log flag have to be enabled for "Restarting task ..." to appear in Event Log (without too much other clutter)?

I also wonder why BOINC say two times in the same second "task postponed 30.000000 sec: " - is this for one or 2 tasks?
And the string ends with "sec: " (yes, space after :) which suggests something is missing (maybe task name) and will be shown by some log flag.
 
6) Message boards : Number crunching : Open Beta test: SoG for NVidia, Lunatics v0.45 - Beta4 update (Message 1817598)
Posted 9 days ago by Profile BilBg
OpenCL-kernels filename : MultiBeam_Kernels_r3500.cl
CL file build log on device GeForce GTX 750 Ti

INFO: can't build program from binary kernels, code 0 , recompiling from source...
Error : Building Program (binary, clBuildProgram):main kernels: not OK code -6
CL file build log on device GeForce GTX 750 Ti
7) Message boards : Number crunching : Open Beta test: SoG for NVidia, Lunatics v0.45 - Beta4 update (Message 1817593)
Posted 9 days ago by Profile BilBg
Can't copy/paste what isn't there, as there is no indication what task was involved.

You can search your stdoutdae.txt and stdoutdae.old for:
CL file build failure

This will find the lines you already posted:
09/15/2016 23:59:21 | SETI@home | task postponed 30.000000 sec:
09/15/2016 23:59:21 | SETI@home | task postponed 30.000000 sec:
09/15/2016 23:59:21 | SETI@home | Task postponed: CL file build failure

Maybe a few lines above is the "[SETI@home] Starting task ..."
8) Message boards : Number crunching : Help with settings (Message 1817578)
Posted 9 days ago by Profile BilBg
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=8094919

Pentium(R) Dual-Core CPU E5200 @ 2.50GHz
Number of processors 2
Coprocessors ---

So you should see only 2 CPU tasks "Running" and no GPU tasks
It is not clear what you mean by "Out of the 8 programs only 4 are showing up in the tasks"
9) Message boards : Number crunching : Open Beta test: SoG for NVidia, Lunatics v0.45 - Beta4 update (Message 1817576)
Posted 9 days ago by Profile BilBg
but when it showed up last night, I decided to report it

Next time record (Copy/Paste) also the task name so we can search for it and look at stderr


What is r3528

The same "thing" as r3500 but newer
10) Message boards : Number crunching : Open Beta test: SoG for NVidia, Lunatics v0.45 - Beta4 update (Message 1817415)
Posted 10 days ago by Profile BilBg
I still don't have a reasonable way to look for changes or ripple on the 12v line.

Changes (idle <-> loaded system) should be visible in SIV
http://rh-software.com/

For Ripple I think Oscilloscope is needed:
"Measurements for Ripple Voltage were obtained using a 100 MHz Tektronix TDS224 Digital Storage Oscilloscope"
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Corsair/VX_450W/3.html
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Corsair/VX_450W/4.html
11) Questions and Answers : GPU applications : Postponed: CL file build failure with BOINC 7.6.31 / Ubuntu 16.04 / AMD GPU (Message 1816638)
Posted 14 days ago by Profile BilBg
Applications devs and people using Linux (and I'm not Linux user) usually don't check posts here, they read Number Crunching

Files like MultiBeam_Kernels_r3430.cl (which are text files in OpenCL language) have to be compiled to binary form.
That compilation is done by the ATI AMD OpenCL driver.
Obviously that "mesa-opencl-icd" (which I don't know what it is) can't do this, at least in a way as expected by the app.

I don't know what means "got rid of the AMD Catalyst fglrx drivers", can't you get drivers manually from ATI AMD site?

(I really can't help you more than this for Linux issues, post in Number Crunching)
12) Message boards : Number crunching : Computer ID problem (Message 1816475)
Posted 14 days ago by Profile BilBg
The system is updating graphics drivers automatically, which is different from my other system. How do you stop this from happening?

I don't use Windows 10 but think these two programs have such settings (among many others)

W10Privacy
http://www.winprivacy.de/english-home/

O&O ShutUp10
https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10
13) Message boards : Number crunching : Computer ID problem (Message 1816469)
Posted 14 days ago by Profile BilBg
I seemed to have created a problem... My original system now has over 600 abandoned tasks.

"Old" computer?:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=7953787

"New" computer?:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=8091204

When 2 computers have the same ID the server see this as "cheating" and marks the tasks as "Abandoned"

The computer ID is only saved in client_state.xml

E.g. in mine client_state.xml there is <hostid>4832843</hostid> for:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=4832843

I did a search in all .xml files in my BOINC Data directory for 4832843
(sched_request_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml also have <hostid>4832843</hostid> line but is not important, BOINC do not read it)

You can search for 7953787 and 8091204 in your client_state.xml files (or in all .xml files in BOINC Data directory).
14) Message boards : Number crunching : SETI@home v8.12 Windows GPU applications support thread (Message 1816355)
Posted 15 days ago by Profile BilBg
It seems the app looks at the mb file at startup. It seems the app doesn't look at it for a suspend/resume cycle.

On every start of the app .exe the app reads the cmdline file, no matter if it is a new task (0% Progress) or restarting work on 'old' task.

If you are not sure which mb_cmdline file to use - put the same line with switches in all of them.
Maybe with small difference, e.g. -period_iterations_num 2500 in one and -period_iterations_num 3000 in another - to see which one will be used.
You will see in stderr.txt:
Single buffer allocation size: 192MB
period_iterations_num=3000

Some people report that you need to put Space in the begin and end of the line with switches like: " -period_iterations_num 500 -sbs 192 "


"Suspend/resume cycle" is easy done by Check/Uncheck "Snooze GPU" from BOINC Manager icon Right-Click
Wait a few seconds after "Snooze GPU" (or check in Windows Task Manager, Process Explorer, ...) for app to really exit.


S@H has slot 1

Every new started task will use different slot # - the first which is free.
15) Questions and Answers : Windows : Windows 10 Can't connect to BOINC client (Message 1816351)
Posted 15 days ago by Profile BilBg
Norton firewall should have some log for what and when was blocked.

I don't know what your problem is:
- BOINC Manager can't communicate with BOINC client on localhost (internal in-the-computer communication, do not need LAN or Internet)
(BOINC Manager don't contact Internet, it may contact LAN only if user tells it to connect/control other BOINC client running on another computer on the LAN)
- BOINC client can't communicate to servers on Internet

BOINC Manager = boincmgr.exe
BOINC client = boinc.exe

Did you reboot the computer recently?
16) Questions and Answers : Getting started : Returning contributor needs help recovering stats (Message 1815950)
Posted 16 days ago by Profile BilBg
I have had to throttle my late 2015 iMac27 at 25% to keep the heat down.

Computing preferences
The better option for this is "Use at most 25% of the CPUs"

The other option "Use at most 25% of CPU time" will make the CPU load "bounce" as the tooltip say:
"Suspend/resume computing every few seconds to reduce CPU temperature and energy usage. Example: 75% means compute for 3 seconds, wait for 1 second, and repeat."
17) Message boards : Number crunching : Linux boinc version 7.6.31 can't run optimized applications (Message 1815917)
Posted 17 days ago by Profile BilBg
not sure why the multibeam code has two sets of <app_version> tags.

It is OK, on Windows we use maybe ~10 "sets" (for the GPU apps)

They differ only by <version_num>804</version_num>
To preserve already Downloaded tasks marked 8.04 and 8.05

But the numbers seem wrong for that (to preserve), look:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/apps.php

Maybe 804 was for SETI@home Beta site, you may change it to <version_num>800</version_num>
("Linux/x86_64 8.00")


2) The 2 app_info.xml files look OK but you can't have 2 app_info.xml
You should merge them (e.g. if you put only the first app_info.xml for astropulse_v7 - NO setiathome_v8 work will be Downloaded)

Just "cat" the 2 files (I don't use Linux but think "cat" = merge)
Then in the resulting text delete in the middle the 2 lines:
</app_info>
<app_info>


P.S.
The errors are "execv: Permission denied" so be sure to chmod +x the executables:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=8089610&offset=0&show_names=0&state=6&appid=
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=5145347844
18) Message boards : Number crunching : Open Beta test: SoG for NVidia, Lunatics v0.45 - Beta4 update (Message 1815911)
Posted 17 days ago by Profile BilBg
Or just disable CPU fan control entirely and let the CPU fan run flat out all the time.

Sometimes the fan itself has a sensor (internal to the fan) which can't be controlled.

I always had in BIOS disabled "Quiet Fan" setting.
But on the same computer/motherboard when I changed the CPU the new fan "acts" on temperature.

Both bellow are "box" CPUs with stock AMD heatsink/fan (both fans 4-pin):
AMD Athlon 64 3500+ - fan had always spinning @ ~3500 RPM
AMD Athlon II X3 455 - fan changes speed 3000-5400 RPM depending how hot it feels itself

But yes, disabling CPU fan control in BIOS will give the max possible RPM

Of course there are also options to lower the load on CPU to cool it:
- run less tasks on CPU
- use TThrottle
19) Message boards : Number crunching : Adding Past Credit to Current Account (Message 1815734)
Posted 18 days ago by Profile BilBg
I did find a 'merge' that had the credits listed from an older computer.
clicked the button, now waiting to see if those credits are added.
...
Don't know long it takes for the credits to xfer.

You probably see "Merge duplicate records of this computer" or "Merge computers by name"
This only combines 2 "computers" into one (if possible) - the resulting 1 computer stay on the same account, the account credits are not changed.

It is NOT possible "for the credits to xfer" to other account.

The only way to get back and use this old account is to log in it:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_user.php?userid=8226890

The last post from it is soon enough (29 Nov 2010)
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_user_posts.php?userid=8226890
... so you should:
- remember the password
- have browser which remember the password
- have BOINC installation on old computer to find <authenticator>
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/hosts_user.php?sort=rpc_time&rev=0&show_all=1&userid=8226890

https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/get_passwd.php
 
20) Message boards : Number crunching : BOINC assigns device X - Problem (Message 1815720)
Posted 18 days ago by Profile BilBg
Also the algorithm should work on CPU with odd # of cores (like mine AMD Athlon II X3 455)

And currently correct work not guarantied for such devices.
I do separate checks for 2, 4, 8 and 16 cores only.
Your device will have 11 affinity mask perhaps, that is, it misses 100 check (for 4 cores) and passes duo test (10).

Please try to launch different numbers of app's instances (-total_GPU_instances_num N is mandatory for this test currently) and post what CPU# will be used for what config.

In 5 identical directories I put:
MB8_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATi_HD5_r3500.exe
MultiBeam_Kernels_r3500.cl
libfftw3f-3-3-4_x86.dll

r3500_AMDAthlontmIIX3455Processor_x86.wisdom
*.bin*

work_unit.sah (= PG1327_v7.wu)
mb_cmdline.txt


Before every round of tests I do:
Del /S result.sah state.sah boinc_*.

Start the .exe files manually in ~30 seconds intervals.
Monitoring in Process Lasso (I select/mark already running to easy see the next app started)
I also see in SIV the initial CPU load (for ~20 s) on the allocated CPU core or all cores if app failed to choose a core.


AMD Athlon(tm) II X3 455 Processor [Family 16 Model 5 Stepping 3]
Number of processors 3
AMD ATI Radeon HD 6570 (NI TURKS) {ASUS EAH6570/DI/1GD3(LP)} (1024MB) driver: 1.4.1646
Windows XP
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/show_host_detail.php?hostid=4832843


First results:
A) Not possible for me to run >3 tasks on "default": vRAM 1 GB, and also too much lag: (Empty mb_cmdline.txt) 0 1 2 (first started app use CPU0, second - CPU1, ...) Kill test (-: kill process by Process Lasso, +: start new app): -0 -1 = 2 + = 0 2 -2 = 0 + = 0 1 _________________________ B) To reduce vRAM usage & lag and allow for 5 apps: -period_iterations_num 500 -sbs 8 (I see -sbs 8 act the same as -sbs 32) ("0-2": "All cores" as shown by Process Lasso, no "CPU-pin") 0 1 2 0-2 0 Kill 0-2 = 0 1 2 0 + = 0 1 2 0 0-2 0 slot of 64 used for this instance; total_GPU_instances_num=64 Info: CPU affinity mask used: 1; system mask is 7 1 slot of 64 used for this instance; total_GPU_instances_num=64 Info: CPU affinity mask used: 2; system mask is 7 2 slot of 64 used for this instance; total_GPU_instances_num=64 Info: CPU affinity mask used: 4; system mask is 7 3 slot of 64 used for this instance; total_GPU_instances_num=64 Info: CPU affinity mask used: 0; system mask is 7 4 slot of 64 used for this instance; total_GPU_instances_num=64 Info: CPU affinity mask used: 1; system mask is 7


Now, which N do you want to see for -total_GPU_instances_num N
? Maybe 2, 3, 4, 5
 


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