Posts by BilBg

1) Questions and Answers : Windows : New version of Win10 not running BOINC (Message 1879468)
Posted 2 days ago by Profile BilBg
Post:
What happens is that a 1/2 sized BOINC icon slowly circles a black screen, sometimes for minutes and sometimes for hours. Below this orbiting icon it says "BOINC screensaver loading." This may, at times, stop after a few minutes and the 3 or 4 different BOINC data screens will pop up and cycle along with what I call the colorful "noise box." BUT, sometimes it does NOT "load" and I see the small icon circling or hours. As I said, the screensaver is intermittent.

What Antivirus and Firewall do you use?

This is only for test:
! You may first disconnect the LAN cable from the computer to avoid new unknown files to come from Internet. (if on laptop - there should be a button to stop Wi-Fi)
Try to switch OFF Antivirus (Real-time protection) and the Firewall

Set BOINC screensaver at small delay (1 minute) and wait.

After test is done (was there any difference?):
Switch ON Antivirus (Real-time protection) and the Firewall
Connect the LAN cable

(I don't know if the Windows Defender Antivirus in Windows 10 and Microsoft Firewall can be switched Off and how (if possible only by 'Group Policy' - it's not for you))
2) Questions and Answers : Windows : New version of Win10 not running BOINC (Message 1878520)
Posted 7 days ago by Profile BilBg
Post:
Does the "Noise box" display when you select it directly from the menu after you select a cpu task in BOINC?

I don't know what you mean? What menu is that and how do I select a 'cpu task?'

Not a menu:
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Advanced_view#The_Tasks_tab

On Tasks tab
- Select Running CPU task          (click on row that say (in Status column) "Running" and do Not say ATI AMD nor NVIDIA)
- Click [Show graphics] button

This will start directly SETI@home screensaver (setigraphics_8.00_windows_intelx86.exe)


A few days ago BilBg, a Volunteer tester, posted that the screensaver DID work!

No - I only say that your GPU works OK for SETI@home Computing with links to your tasks as evidence.
(I don't use/have Windows 10)


Note:
BOINC screensaver (boinc.scr + boincscr.exe) have Settings
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/BOINC_screensaver

e.g. "Run project screensavers for" is maybe now set at 4 minutes and may be changed to e.g. 30 minutes for longer 'noise'
3) Questions and Answers : Wish list : I wish for a Lunatics installer that.... (Message 1878517)
Posted 7 days ago by Profile BilBg
Post:
And I don't think setigraphics can work with the GPU apps
Why not?

Because the GPU app (MB8_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATi_HD5_r3557.exe) listed in your example of app_info.xml do not have code to communicate with setigraphics_8.00_windows_intelx86.exe
The code is removed or disabled (ask Raistmer to clarify)
4) Questions and Answers : Wish list : I wish for a Lunatics installer that.... (Message 1877552)
Posted 14 days ago by Profile BilBg
Post:
The installer have the Stock application inside:
setiathome_8.00_windows_intelx86.exe
setigraphics_8.00_windows_intelx86.exe




And I don't think setigraphics can work with the GPU apps
5) Questions and Answers : Windows : New version of Win10 not running BOINC (Message 1877477)
Posted 15 days ago by Profile BilBg
Post:
All the reports on the 2 pages you mentioned ...

I didn't link to any pages with reports, the links point to your tasks (which are OK)
I didn't comment anything in the last post about "BOINC screensaver" nor "SETI@home screensaver" (which are different files/things)

If you select Running CPU task and click [Show graphics] do you see something similar? (and can you post your image?):

6) Questions and Answers : Windows : spikes (Message 1877473)
Posted 15 days ago by Profile BilBg
Post:
Its called Tthortle

You try to type this difficult word? ;)

I use abbreviations:
https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=73694

So I type tt` to get TThrottle
And type ttl` to get TThrottle


P.S.
Some other abbreviations:

abb` abbreviations
b` BOINC
bm` BOINC Manager
s` SETI@home
rs` Resource share
nnt` No New Tasks

btl` BoincTasks
bmm` BOINC Manager Menu
cpl` Computing preferences
spl` SETI@home preferences

Raw:
btl` [url=http://efmer.com/b/boinctasks]BoincTasks[/url]
bmm` [url=http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Advanced_view#BOINC_Manager_Menus]BOINC Manager Menu[/url]
cpl` [url=http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/prefs.php?subset=global]Computing preferences[/url]
spl` [url=http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/prefs.php?subset=project]SETI@home preferences[/url]


dd` BOINC Data directory
sd` SETI@home directory (<BOINC_Data>\projects\setiathome.berkeley.edu\)
tm` Windows Task Manager
pex` Process Explorer
be` boinc.exe
bme` boincmgr.exe

c/` Copy/Paste
[e` [Enter]
c+` Ctrl+
a+` Alt+
s+` Shift+

0c` °C
0f` °F
us` µs

kr` Krisia Todorova
кр` Крисия Тодорова

..............
7) Questions and Answers : Windows : Abandoned Tasks (Message 1877466)
Posted 15 days ago by Profile BilBg
Post:
How long will it take the "abandoned tasks" to roll off so I get more Seti tasks?

These two events are not connected:
"How long will it take the "abandoned tasks" to roll off" - until the WUs are "Completed and validated" by 2 other computers

"so I get more Seti tasks":
I don't see any "Max tasks per day" = 1
https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/host_app_versions.php?hostid=7327799

... so check your Preferences if they allow CPU tasks.
If they are OK - wait 1 day
8) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics beta6 and using 2 different gpus? (Message 1877455)
Posted 15 days ago by Profile BilBg
Post:
<file_ref>
<file_name>MultiBeam_NV_config.xml</file_name>
</file_ref>

<file_ref>
<file_name>mb_cmdline_win_x86_SSE3_OpenCL_NV_SoG.txt</file_name>
<open_name>mb_cmdline.txt</open_name>

Hi,
It sounds counter intuitive. Normally a file listed after another file would replace the equivalent parameters from the first file.

No

A) Both files (will) exist in SETI@home directory so both have to be described in app_info.xml (no matter in which order)

BOINC reads app_info.xml and only looks if the files exist, BOINC does not read those files.
OTOH app don't know what is in app_info.xml (does not read it)


B) Both files (mb_cmdline.txt and MultiBeam_NV_config.xml) are read by the app so it is up to the app programmer (Raistmer) how and in which order they are interpreted.

I think the order is :

0) App sets all values to default
(imagine there is table in RAM which is filled with values for all parameters)


1) Direct switches in app_info.xml :
<cmdline>-sbs 512</cmdline>

... which means BOINC will start the app like this:
MB8_win_x86_SSE3_OpenCL_NV_SoG_r3557.exe -sbs 512
(in the table in RAM the value for -sbs is set/changed)


2) App reads mb_cmdline.txt
(Yes, the app looks for and sees that name only (in 'slots') and <soft_link> in it redirects to the real file.
If you run app offline (outside BOINC, for test) the real file have to be named mb_cmdline.txt and not anything different
)
Any switches in mb_cmdline.txt that are also present in the <cmdline> will have the new values from mb_cmdline.txt

E.g. the following will set 3 new values (and -sbs will become 256):
-period_iterations_num 10 -hp -sbs 256

But this will set 2 new values (and -sbs will stay unchanged at 512):
-period_iterations_num 10 -hp

All other parameters remain at default values as per "0)"


3) App reads MultiBeam_NV_config.xml
You can e.g. set/change here only some parameters for only one of the GPUs (e.g. GPU #2)

I imagine app creates copy of the "table in RAM" and changes these "some parameters" only in that "table #2" which will be used for GPU #2
GPU #1 will use the "original table" created in previous steps 0) ... 2)

Moral:
The last interpreted replaces the same settings used in previously interpreted.
 
9) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Photobucket (Message 1877432)
Posted 15 days ago by Profile BilBg
Post:
These sites can be used to post images here (even no account needed, unless you want to)
http://postimages.org/

http://picbg.net/

The second may start in Bulgarian but there is English flag at top-right (click that)
(text at the top "This site is for sale" stays there for 3-4 years)

"direct link" given by picbg.net for seti_logo_final.png (1000 x 200 Pixels)
http://store.picbg.net/pubpic/AD/87/91ff74d80d14ad87.png




The site has very simplistic interface.

Main page:




After Upload:

10) Message boards : Number crunching : Lunatics beta6 and using 2 different gpus? (Message 1877422)
Posted 15 days ago by Profile BilBg
Post:
I am going to have to try and get this Multibeam_NV_config.xml working ...

It should not be too difficult to edit app_info.xml
You should have the file Multibeam_NV_config.xml (even empty) in SETI@home directory before trying to start BOINC with changed app_info.xml

Note: I don't think Caps matter in filenames on Windows but the exact name from inside the .exe (Copy/Paste) is:
MultiBeam_NV_config.xml

I think it is enough to change only the first (topmost) section, from MB8_win_x86_SSE3_OpenCL_NV.aistub this is:

    <app>
        <name>setiathome_v8</name>
    </app>
    <file_info>
        <name>MB8_win_x86_SSE3_OpenCL_NV_SoG_r3557.exe</name>
        <executable/>
    </file_info>
    <file_info>
        <name>libfftw3f-3-3-4_x86.dll</name>
	<executable/>
    </file_info>
    <file_info>
        <name>MultiBeam_Kernels_r3557.cl</name>
    </file_info>
    <file_info>
        <name>mb_cmdline_win_x86_SSE3_OpenCL_NV_SoG.txt</name>
    </file_info>
    <app_version>
        <app_name>setiathome_v8</app_name>
        <version_num>819</version_num>
        <platform>windows_intelx86</platform>
        <api_version>7.5.0</api_version>
        <avg_ncpus>0.04</avg_ncpus>
        <max_ncpus>0.2</max_ncpus>
        <plan_class>opencl_nvidia_SoG</plan_class>
        	<cmdline></cmdline>	
	<coproc>
            <type>CUDA</type>
            <count>1</count>
        </coproc>
        <file_ref>
            <file_name>MB8_win_x86_SSE3_OpenCL_NV_SoG_r3557.exe</file_name>
            <main_program/>
        </file_ref>
        <file_ref>
            <file_name>libfftw3f-3-3-4_x86.dll</file_name>
        </file_ref>
        <file_ref>
            <file_name>MultiBeam_Kernels_r3557.cl</file_name>
        </file_ref>
        <file_ref>
            <file_name>mb_cmdline_win_x86_SSE3_OpenCL_NV_SoG.txt</file_name>
            <open_name>mb_cmdline.txt</open_name>
        </file_ref>
    </app_version>



First Copy/Paste two existing parts (<file_info> and <file_ref>, I used where it say MultiBeam_Kernels_r3557.cl):

    <app>
        <name>setiathome_v8</name>
    </app>
    <file_info>
        <name>MB8_win_x86_SSE3_OpenCL_NV_SoG_r3557.exe</name>
        <executable/>
    </file_info>
    <file_info>
        <name>libfftw3f-3-3-4_x86.dll</name>
	<executable/>
    </file_info>
    <file_info>
        <name>MultiBeam_Kernels_r3557.cl</name>
    </file_info>

    <file_info>
        <name>MultiBeam_Kernels_r3557.cl</name>
    </file_info>

    <file_info>
        <name>mb_cmdline_win_x86_SSE3_OpenCL_NV_SoG.txt</name>
    </file_info>
    <app_version>
        <app_name>setiathome_v8</app_name>
        <version_num>819</version_num>
        <platform>windows_intelx86</platform>
        <api_version>7.5.0</api_version>
        <avg_ncpus>0.04</avg_ncpus>
        <max_ncpus>0.2</max_ncpus>
        <plan_class>opencl_nvidia_SoG</plan_class>
        	<cmdline></cmdline>	
	<coproc>
            <type>CUDA</type>
            <count>1</count>
        </coproc>
        <file_ref>
            <file_name>MB8_win_x86_SSE3_OpenCL_NV_SoG_r3557.exe</file_name>
            <main_program/>
        </file_ref>
        <file_ref>
            <file_name>libfftw3f-3-3-4_x86.dll</file_name>
        </file_ref>
        <file_ref>
            <file_name>MultiBeam_Kernels_r3557.cl</file_name>
        </file_ref>

        <file_ref>
            <file_name>MultiBeam_Kernels_r3557.cl</file_name>
        </file_ref>

        <file_ref>
            <file_name>mb_cmdline_win_x86_SSE3_OpenCL_NV_SoG.txt</file_name>
            <open_name>mb_cmdline.txt</open_name>
        </file_ref>
    </app_version>



Then change in the Copies (both <file_info> and <file_ref>) the MultiBeam_Kernels_r3557.cl with MultiBeam_NV_config.xml

    <app>
        <name>setiathome_v8</name>
    </app>
    <file_info>
        <name>MB8_win_x86_SSE3_OpenCL_NV_SoG_r3557.exe</name>
        <executable/>
    </file_info>
    <file_info>
        <name>libfftw3f-3-3-4_x86.dll</name>
	<executable/>
    </file_info>
    <file_info>
        <name>MultiBeam_Kernels_r3557.cl</name>
    </file_info>

    <file_info>
        <name>MultiBeam_NV_config.xml</name>
    </file_info>

    <file_info>
        <name>mb_cmdline_win_x86_SSE3_OpenCL_NV_SoG.txt</name>
    </file_info>
    <app_version>
        <app_name>setiathome_v8</app_name>
        <version_num>819</version_num>
        <platform>windows_intelx86</platform>
        <api_version>7.5.0</api_version>
        <avg_ncpus>0.04</avg_ncpus>
        <max_ncpus>0.2</max_ncpus>
        <plan_class>opencl_nvidia_SoG</plan_class>
        	<cmdline></cmdline>	
	<coproc>
            <type>CUDA</type>
            <count>1</count>
        </coproc>
        <file_ref>
            <file_name>MB8_win_x86_SSE3_OpenCL_NV_SoG_r3557.exe</file_name>
            <main_program/>
        </file_ref>
        <file_ref>
            <file_name>libfftw3f-3-3-4_x86.dll</file_name>
        </file_ref>
        <file_ref>
            <file_name>MultiBeam_Kernels_r3557.cl</file_name>
        </file_ref>

        <file_ref>
            <file_name>MultiBeam_NV_config.xml</file_name>
        </file_ref>

        <file_ref>
            <file_name>mb_cmdline_win_x86_SSE3_OpenCL_NV_SoG.txt</file_name>
            <open_name>mb_cmdline.txt</open_name>
        </file_ref>
    </app_version>


! DON'T type anything, only Copy/Paste !
 
11) Message boards : Number crunching : missing wu (Message 1877410)
Posted 15 days ago by Profile BilBg
Post:
You should exit BOINC, then run the installer, then restart BOINC.

Will not help (as I explained)

See the Version # here:
https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/apps.php

... and compare to <version_num> in .aistub files.

(Open the installer by 7-Zip and see for yourself)

e.g. you can't find v8.22 in the (very big) MB8_win_x86_SSE2_OpenCL_ATi_HD5.aistub , the highest in it is <version_num>820</version_num>
12) Message boards : Number crunching : missing wu (Message 1877401)
Posted 15 days ago by Profile BilBg
Post:
https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=5848622280
Name 13fe17aa.10422.395680.7.34.26.vlar_0

Not your fault.
The last Lunatics installer was made many months ago (in Nov 2016) and some of <version_num> inside are not up to date.
The installer was OK (i.e. the old tasks were preserved) at the time of release.

Your task was labelled "SETI@home v8 v8.05 windows_x86_64"
but in .aistub files (from which is generated app_info.xml) there is only <version_num>800</version_num> (= v8.00)

This is MB8_win_x64_SSE3_VS2008.aistub found inside Lunatics_Win64_v0.45_Beta6-for-SoG_setup.exe

<app_info> 
    <app>
        <name>setiathome_v8</name>
    </app>
    <file_info>
        <name>MB8_win_x64_SSE3_VS2008_r3330.exe</name>
        <executable/>
    </file_info>
    <file_info>
        <name>libfftw3f-3-3-4_x64.dll</name>
	<executable/>
    </file_info>
    <file_info>
 	<name>mb_cmdline_win_x64_SSE3_VS2008.txt</name>
    </file_info>
    <app_version>
        <app_name>setiathome_v8</app_name>
        <version_num>800</version_num>
        <platform>windows_x86_64</platform>
        <api_version>7.5.0</api_version>
        <file_ref>
            <file_name>MB8_win_x64_SSE3_VS2008_r3330.exe</file_name>
            <main_program/>
        </file_ref>
        <file_ref>
            <file_name>libfftw3f-3-3-4_x64.dll</file_name>
        </file_ref>
        <file_ref>
            <file_name>mb_cmdline_win_x64_SSE3_VS2008.txt</file_name>
            <open_name>mb_cmdline.txt</open_name>
        </file_ref>
    </app_version>
    <app_version>
        <app_name>setiathome_v8</app_name>
        <version_num>800</version_num>
        <platform>windows_intelx86</platform>
        <api_version>7.5.0</api_version>
        <file_ref>
            <file_name>MB8_win_x64_SSE3_VS2008_r3330.exe</file_name>
            <main_program/>
        </file_ref>
        <file_ref>
            <file_name>libfftw3f-3-3-4_x64.dll</file_name>
        </file_ref>
        <file_ref>
            <file_name>mb_cmdline_win_x64_SSE3_VS2008.txt</file_name>
            <open_name>mb_cmdline.txt</open_name>
        </file_ref>
    </app_version>
</app_info>



P.S.

@Richard Haselgrove

Maybe you can think of some logic in installer that will:
- find all <version_num> in .aistub
- search for them in client_state.xml
- if none is found let user know (e.g. "You may lose tasks") and ask to [Continue] or not with installation


Or opposite (in absolutely rubbish pseudo-code):

Search in client_state.xml for any of these strings:
<master_url>http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/</master_url>
<project_name>SETI@home</project_name>

(If not found - SETI@home is not Added (attached) in this BOINC)

Set pointer P1 to that place
P1++

Search starting from P1 for next <master_url> (If not found you are at EOF)
Set pointer P2 to that place

Now you know SETI@home segment is between P1 and P2

From P1 to P2 {
         Pa1 = find <app_version>
         Pa2 = find </app_version>

         From Pa1 to Pa2:
                  find and remember <app_name> <version_num> <plan_class>

         find that combination of <app_name> <version_num> <plan_class> in any of .aistub which will be used (selected by user)
         if not found - Warn user
}
13) Questions and Answers : Preferences : time frequency power graph question (Message 1877186)
Posted 16 days ago by Profile BilBg
Post:
There is some problem (incompatibility) in Intel Graphics drivers (OpenGL part) (some Intel driver versions may work OK with SETI@home screensaver, some may not)
(There is no such problem on NVIDIA or ATI AMD)

It was reported many times some 4-5 years ago, e.g. "Empty Frequency-Power-Time graph":
https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=69101
14) Questions and Answers : Windows : New version of Win10 not running BOINC (Message 1877179)
Posted 16 days ago by Profile BilBg
Post:
how to make my AMD work properly with BOINC

But it works properly:
Valid tasks "SETI@home v8 v8.22 (opencl_ati5_cat132)" and "SETI@home v8 v8.22 (opencl_ati5_SoG_cat132)"
(and "Invalid (0) · Error (0)")
https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=8225092&offset=0&show_names=0&state=4&appid=

... and more (finished OK) are in "Validation pending":
https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=8225092&offset=0&show_names=0&state=2&appid=
15) Questions and Answers : Windows : USER INFO (Message 1876264)
Posted 22 days ago by Profile BilBg
Post:
Какой вопрос?
Google Translate тебе поможет?
https://translate.google.com/?hl=ru&tab=wT
16) Questions and Answers : GPU applications : Balancing Mcuda50 and SOG work (Message 1876253)
Posted 22 days ago by Profile BilBg
Post:
The way to do that is the "Lunatics installer":

Open Beta test: SoG for NVidia, Lunatics v0.45 - Beta6 (RC again)
https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=79704&postid=1791791#1791791

The post about "Beta 6":
https://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=79704&postid=1829188#1829188

The installer (~20 MB) have all the applications inside, CPU apps are optimized (AVX, SSE3) and faster than the stock but don't have graphics/screensaver.

But since it (Lunatics v0.45 - Beta6) was released long ago you may at first lose the tasks in the computer.
(some version numbers in the installer may not match the currently used)

So set No New Tasks, finish tasks you have, and only then try the install (better exit BOINC first).

(The installer have 4-5 pages with [Next] buttons and in fact do not make real changes until user click [Install] button on the last page
You have to select All the apps that you want to run (e.g. for CPU)
Only the apps you select will be run; e.g. if you select only CUDA50 (and uncheck all the other) no CPU tasks will be run and no AstroPulse
)

Note:
if you select e.g. CUDA50 all the tasks on the GPU will be run by the CUDA50
Don't be confused that BOINC Manager will continue to show them (the "old" tasks) as "SoG" or CUDA42
Check by Windows Task Manager what .exe is really running.

The new Downloaded tasks will have the correct label in BOINC Manager
17) Questions and Answers : Wish list : Auto-update clients when account e-amail changed (Message 1876246)
Posted 22 days ago by Profile BilBg
Post:
This only shows that the attempt to change the email address in SETI@home account was unsuccessful (any error message?)
or you have 2 accounts and changed the wrong one?
18) Message boards : Number crunching : New binary to test on beta (Message 1876234)
Posted 22 days ago by Profile BilBg
Post:
but the 'show graphic' button on this machine remains greyed out despite selecting a running task

It have to be:
Running
SETI@home
CPU
Stock

i.e. Not GPU and Not optimized (e.g. AVX or SSE3 apps don't have graphics)

Check in Windows Task Manager what .exe is actually Running
19) Message boards : Number crunching : New binary to test on beta (Message 1876230)
Posted 22 days ago by Profile BilBg
Post:
Did all and graphics still sway to and fro ...

Check if init_data.xml have:
<roll_period>0</roll_period>
<roll_range>0</roll_range>
<pitch_period>0</pitch_period>
<pitch_range>0</pitch_range>

If not (and you already Restarted BOINC) - you may have home / school / work Preferences and you changed the wrong "Location"
Or you have/see another account in the browser (e.g. of friend) and changed that.

Or you changed Preferences here and not at SETI@home BETA

Look in file account_setiathome.berkeley.edu.xml and account_setiweb.ssl.berkeley.edu_beta.xml
for the same 4 rows above - do they have 0s
Watch also for line like this:
<venue name="school">
This shows there exist "Separate preferences for school"
20) Message boards : Number crunching : "BOINC portable" for Windows hosts (Message 1876217)
Posted 22 days ago by Profile BilBg
Post:
Data directory: D:\Boinc.6.12.43
Data directory: D:\Boinc.7.0.42
...
Data directory: D:\Boinc.7.6.33

How did you made every BOINC version to use different BOINC Data directory?
Did you edit the Registry?

Or boinc.exe is in the BOINC Data directory? i.e. :
boinc.exe v6.12.43 is in D:\Boinc.6.12.43
boinc.exe v7.6.33 is in D:\Boinc.7.6.33

And Registry do not have any BOINC info?


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