Posts by Jeff Buck

1) Message boards : News : Web site upgrade (Message 1834656)
Posted 2 hours ago by Profile Jeff Buck
Any ideas if there is a way to get my kitty banner and Boincstats block to display side by side again instead of one over the other?
Before the forum update, I was able to do this by putting the img lines one after the other, with no space between them.
[img]http://bluenorthernsoftware.com/k.php[/img][img]http://boincstats.com/signature/-1/user/461/sig.png[/img]

I have not changed anything, but now the forum will not do that.


Meow?

One of the attributes that's being assigned to your images when the page is actually created is "display: block". It probably needs to be "display: inline" (which is normally the default) to get it to display the way it used to. Nothing you can change. It's up to the guy doing his Alpha testing in production.
2) Message boards : News : Web site upgrade (Message 1833795)
Posted 4 days ago by Profile Jeff Buck
Edit2 - (from Number Crunching) Code blocks are wrapping. That's not good for syntax.

Yep, they sure are. On the other hand, "Pre" blocks in the forums don't wrap and may stretch the page, while "Pre" blocks for Stderr output on Task detail pages have horizontal scroll bars (where it probably doesn't much matter whether the pages stretch or not). I think it's because those are standalone <pre> elements, while on the forum pages they're subordinate to <table> and <div> elements which must be overriding the "overflow" attribute.

Anyway, they all now have white text on dark gray backgrounds. The dance of the deck chairs continues.
3) Message boards : News : Web site upgrade (Message 1833719)
Posted 4 days ago by Profile Jeff Buck
ARRRRRGHHHHHHHhhhhhhhh

We've just had a violent outbreak of orange - not at all easy on the eye :-(
I agree.
Who wanted this change from text displayed in a light yellow color to a darker orange text on a grey background?
I'm still seeing 'lemonchiffron' here - 'sandybrown' must have happened while I was out at the pub.

Still "sandybrown" here. Perhaps you've got a cached copy of the custom_dark.css file? Or maybe just beer goggles? ;^)
4) Message boards : News : Web site upgrade (Message 1833703)
Posted 4 days ago by Profile Jeff Buck
Well, as far as the latest deck chair rearrangement goes, "sandybrown" makes the link anchors infinitely more identifiable (to me, anyway) than "lemonchiffon" ever did, given that this dark background is apparently not going to be rescinded (except, of course, when composing posts, or embedding code or preformatted text, or ???).

I still don't understand why all of this trial-and-error development didn't take place for an extended period on a test site, like S@h Beta, before a finalized, broadly acceptable version could then be rolled out to the captive audience here on Main.
5) Message boards : News : New Nebula blog (Message 1833667)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile Jeff Buck
A new blog documents the progress and status of Nebula, the SETI@home back end.

How do you know that there is an actual link posted there? as it's not particularly visible without mousing over the text.

Claggy


I can see the difference in text color for links vs regular text. Links are in gold lettering. Text is in white lettering.

It's not "gold", it's "lemonchiffon", and even in natural ambient lighting, I can only just barely detect a slight hint of difference in coloring. In artificial lighting conditions, I can't see any difference at all. I just have to assume that there's a link hidden in there somewhere and, as Claggy said, wave my mouse around to find it.
6) Message boards : News : Web site upgrade (Message 1833527)
Posted 6 days ago by Profile Jeff Buck
Thanks. That's a known problem - I thought it had been fixed once, but possibly it reverted again.

Yeah, it reverted when the Bootstrap hit the fan.
7) Message boards : News : Web site upgrade (Message 1833523)
Posted 6 days ago by Profile Jeff Buck
Still waiting for the line wrapping problem to be properly addressed.
I haven't seen it myself. Could you link a specific post where you see it wrapping badly, and give an estimate of how wide your browser window is, please? (mine is "about 80% of a 1920 pixel monitor", for example)

I've seen it myself on pages where there's a [pre} or [code] block with one or more very long lines. Those blocks used to have internal horizontal scroll bars in situations where lines exceeded page width. Now, the boxes just stretch the page and the text-wrapping margin goes out to the right with them.

Take a look at Message 1832434 and see what happens to other text on the page.

EDIT: BTW, my browser window is normally about 1200 px wide.
8) Message boards : News : Web site upgrade (Message 1833516)
Posted 6 days ago by Profile Jeff Buck
Using the 'inspect element' technique...

Thanks for mentioning that. I hadn't thought of that in a long time. Now I can see that the "anchor" color, which I can't identify at all in the evening under artificial lighting conditions, and can barely distinguish during the day with natural lighting, is "lemonchiffon". That's supposedly one of the "fixes to dark-backround [sic] themes to increase legibility". Yeah, right!

I don't think there's any amount of lipstick that's going to make this pig sufficiently attractive for my sensibilities, so I guess I'll just wait until the dust settles and try out that Color-that-Site add-on that others have mentioned. How I'll actually know when the dust has truly settled, though, is another mystery altogether.
9) Message boards : Number crunching : Monitoring inconclusive GBT validations and harvesting data for testing (Message 1833115)
Posted 8 days ago by Profile Jeff Buck
Here's one that looks interesting to me. The stock Windows CPU app, which appears to be running on a stable machine, found a pulse that my SoG r3556 didn't. The potential tiebreaker looks like it will run with the x41p_zi3j Petri special.

Workunit 2339625908 (12ja09af.10207.31262.13.40.18)
Task 5314735816 (S=10, A=4, P=1, T=0, G=0) v8.00 windows_intelx86
Task 5314735817 (S=10, A=4, P=0, T=0, G=0) SSE3xj Win32 Build 3556

(Jeez, can't even tell where the links are, at least at the time of posting. Trust me, they're there. Just wave your mouse around 'til you find them. An Easter egg hunt in November!)

On this next one, the counts are the same. The potential tiebreaker looks like it should run with Cuda42.

Workunit 2339653758 (20mr09ab.23439.316789.7.34.220)
Task 5314794045 (S=1, A=0, P=1, T=0, G=1) v8.00 windows_intelx86
Task 5314794046 (S=1, A=0, P=1, T=0, G=1) SSE3xj Win32 Build 3556

Are there any changes in r3571 that might impact these kinds of Inconclusives on my hardware? If so, I'll update. Otherwise, I'll keep running r3556 for now.
10) Message boards : News : Web site upgrade (Message 1833074)
Posted 8 days ago by Profile Jeff Buck
First Titanic deck steward: "Let's position these deck chairs to give the best view of the moonlight reflecting off that big, beautiful iceberg we just passed."
Second Titanic deck steward: "No, no. They really should be facing directly toward the moon, so the passengers have a bit brighter light to read by."
Titanic passenger: "When it's pitch black in the middle of the night, it really doesn't make much difference. I still can't read these damn directions to my lifeboat station. Doesn't one of you have a flashlight?"
First deck steward: "Only this one with the green cellophane over the lens."
Passenger: "Anyway, shouldn't you be making better use of your time than just rearranging deck chairs. Like perhaps doing something about a few of those pesky holes in the side of the boat?"
11) Message boards : News : Web site upgrade (Message 1832935)
Posted 9 days ago by Profile Jeff Buck
Unfortunately, that window background color doesn't apply to web pages

Something was nagging at the back of my brain after I made that statement, and I finally figured out what it was. It's that Firefox actually does let you specify an option to "Use system colors", but that only applies when a web page allows any of its colors to default to the browser settings. So, in rare cases (not here, though), a Windows window background color may actually apply to a web page.. And if you choose "Always" for "Override the colors specified by the page with my selections above:", it will even override this page's colors. Unfortunately, it overrides all of the background colors and fonts in every element on the page. So, that's probably not a real good choice, either.
12) Message boards : News : Web site upgrade (Message 1832916)
Posted 9 days ago by Profile Jeff Buck
It probably also depends a lot on the quality of the monitor they own, and the ambient lighting in the room they're using it in.

Even time-of-day can factor into it. I run an app called f.lux here on my daily driver. It adjusts the brightness and softens some of the colors after sunset by making "... the color of your computer's display adapt to the time of day, warm at night and like sunlight during the day. " I've been using it for about a year and find it really makes things easier on the old eyes in the evening.

Also, my observations here are solely directed at how difficult it is to read text on this new "dark web", compared to the old schema. I'm not personally a fan of stark white backgrounds, either. If I had my druthers, the background for black text would be a pale blue ($00FFF3D4), which is what I have my local window background set to. I've been using a similar shade for about 25 years, ever since my first experience with Windows 3.0 (which was a bit of a shock after many, many years of staring at 3270/3278 CRT screens). Unfortunately, that window background color doesn't apply to web pages. Take a look at some screenshots from PSPad that I posted about a month ago to see what my own personal preference looks like. However, I wouldn't presume to impose that on a mass audience without achieving some sort of consensus first.
13) Message boards : News : Web site upgrade (Message 1832895)
Posted 9 days ago by Profile Jeff Buck
I read that as 53% don't, or aren't bothered.

Well, that breakdown is actually:
...10% of those surveyed said that they always preferred dark backgrounds for websites, while another 36% said that the best choice would depend on the type of website.

Apparently only 7% just flat out didn't care. So, I guess it depends on what the "it depends" group's criteria is, which is unknown. My guess is that dark backgrounds are likely to be more acceptable on graphics-intensive sites than text-intensive ones. The article also states:
Generally speaking, dark works best for creative or elegant designs. For modern sleek websites, dark backgrounds add elegance.

Somehow, I don't see this site as needing much of either creativity or elegance. It's a site for presenting basic information in a textual format, not for dazzling visuals. "Readability" should be far and away the most compelling focus of any design decisions here.
14) Message boards : News : Web site upgrade (Message 1832879)
Posted 10 days ago by Profile Jeff Buck
This might be worth a read:
The Dos and Don’ts of Dark Web Design

Several things that struck me in that article include:
With a dark design comes less readability, less appeal for most readers and less opportunity for conventional design elements.
....
A recent poll suggests that light designs are preferred by the general web-going audience by a whopping 47%. The main reason is readability. Most people don’t like viewing light text against a dark background on websites because it strains their eyes, making for a much less enjoyable experience.

FWIW, I'm solidly in that 47%.

Also, most of the dark page examples shown are ones that are image-heavy, not text-heavy, like S@H.

And then there's:
Offer a Style Switcher

While we have many good practices at our disposal to make dark web designs more appealing, no amount of effort will satisfy every user.

Be sure to include a style switcher, so that users ultimately have the option of viewing dark text on a light background.

Two style sheets are required for this, one for the default dark layout, and one for the alternative light layout.

Just sayin'.......
15) Message boards : News : Web site upgrade (Message 1832706)
Posted 11 days ago by Profile Jeff Buck
And all the white text and numbers just in the last few minutes got lighter and harder to read.....now closer to gray on slate.
Please, geez, put that back the way it was!

Yeah, I just noticed that when I refreshed a page. Seems to be some minor tinkering happening on a Saturday, but not addressing the overall appearance. For some reason, the phrase "rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic" keeps popping into my head. ;^)
16) Message boards : News : Web site upgrade (Message 1832680)
Posted 11 days ago by Profile Jeff Buck
Another potential annoyance that I'm seeing is that all page titles are now prefixed with "SETI@home:". That means that the more tabs you have open at one time, the more difficult it is to figure out which tab is which, unless you hover your mouse for a second or two to get a popup hint.
I think that's always been the case - the page source looks the same on non-Bootstrap project web pages.

But now you mention it, the pop-up on my team message board page reads:

SETI@home: Team message board for <a href=team_display.php?teamid=145273>Raccoon Lovers</a>

- I don't remember the anchor url being visible before.

Just as an example, the source for a WU detail page from yesterday morning starts out:
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.01 Transitional//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/html4/loose.dtd"><html><head>
<title>Workunit 2310440997</title>
<link rel=stylesheet type="text/css" href="http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/main.css" media="all">
        <link rel=stylesheet type="text/css" href="http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/white.css">
    
        <link rel=alternate type="application/rss+xml" title="SETI@home RSS 2.0" href="http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/rss_main.php">
        </head>

By last evening, the same page started with:
<!DOCTYPE html>
        <html lang="en">
        <head>
        <meta name="viewport" content="width=device-width, initial-scale=1">
    <title>SETI@home: Workunit 2310440997</title>

        <meta charset="utf-8">
        <link rel="stylesheet" href="https://setiathome.berkeley.edu//bootstrap.min.css" media="all">
    
        <link rel=alternate type="application/rss+xml" title="SETI@home RSS 2.0" href="http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/rss_main.php">
        </head>
17) Message boards : News : Web site upgrade (Message 1832556)
Posted 11 days ago by Profile Jeff Buck
"Slate" seems to be little different from my school days in the '50s and '60s, when white chalk on a black slate slab was the standard. A more suitable name for it today might be "Archaic".
18) Message boards : News : Web site upgrade (Message 1832526)
Posted 11 days ago by Profile Jeff Buck
Another potential annoyance that I'm seeing is that all page titles are now prefixed with "SETI@home:". That means that the more tabs you have open at one time, the more difficult it is to figure out which tab is which, unless you hover your mouse for a second or two to get a popup hint.

Of course, since it's now after 5:00 PM on a Friday in Berkeley, we're likely stuck with this at least until Monday. Sneaky timing, I'd say.
19) Message boards : Number crunching : Panic Mode On (103) Server Problems? (Message 1832448)
Posted 11 days ago by Profile Jeff Buck
Gives new meaning to the phrase "Black Friday". Methinks somebody has too much time on their hands, in which case I can think of several other things that it could have been spent on.
20) Message boards : Number crunching : It would take 13 new threads to tidy up the formatting - can we have some new topics? (Message 1832213)
Posted 13 days ago by Profile Jeff Buck
Or are there any older threads anyone wants to bump?

That would make more sense to me than cluttering the forum with a bunch of new posts. Panic Mode, Windows 10, GUPPI Rescheduler, etc. are probably all candidates for bumping, but only if there's something relevant to add to them. :^)

Actually, I think we're overdue for a new Panic Mode thread, anyway.


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