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21) Message boards : Politics : Are you a psychopath? (Message 1613909)
Posted 6 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
Netherlands Person Correctly Pointed Out:
That would be a waste of his time and abilities. The guy is an awesome astrophysicist, but that does not make people awesome politicians. In fact, Im sure he would be horrible at it. Hard science deals in absolutes, in singular truths, in singular optimal solutions. Those things do not exist in politics. Its one giant grey mess, solutions do not exist and if they do exist you still need to convince enough people, with entirely different interests and agendas that your solution is better and benefits them as well.


Obviously you are Ignored/Filtered or they Don't see The Perfect Reasoning.

..

or maybe we realised he just doesn't know who Neil de Grasse Tyson really is? He's a big celebrity in North America, but not so widely known in Europe. Anyone who knows of him knows that he is not "just" an astrophysicist. He is an extremely on-the-ball man who speaks out very clearly and understands a lot of the issues that face us today.
22) Message boards : Politics : Racist? [yes you are] (Message 1613905)
Posted 6 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
This is a really good article on the issues in this thread and perhaps we can start talking about "whiteness" rather than being stuck on the "I'm not racist because...." part of the discussion.

This a description of a white person trying to talk to white people about racism. I think you will see that there are some commonalities with this debate here: Deeply Embarrassed White People Talk Awkwardly About Race

On Clyde's complaint that I suggested that his black relatives might not want to discuss racism, here is an extract that sums up my thinking behind that statement. Considering Clydes reaction to even discussing racism and his reactions, I think it is definitely something he might want to think about.

"So one answer to the question What can I do? is simple: Listen. Believe.

"I had to stop talking to white people about race, because I kept getting retraumatized," an African American friend told me about her days as a diversity trainer. "They just wanted to talk about why they weren't racist."
"
23) Message boards : Politics : Racist? [yes you are] (Message 1613901)
Posted 6 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
...

Just a note: 'Another' in this Thread, and I, have had many heated discussions. But understood what was not allowed, and what was disgusting.

...

Are you kidding me? You've called me so many names in this forum I've lost track. You've even done it in this thread. Now you persist in this fantasy of "you insulted my family" as if we were in the school yard.

I don't know why I waste my time talking to you.
24) Message boards : Politics : Against ALL women - Infanticide, Slavery, Rape, Trafficking... (#2) (Message 1613638)
Posted 6 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
I'll just chuck this in for now, I have to run...

Ideology a Brief Guide, source John Lye, Dept. of English Language & Literature, Brock University, Canada

Great link and it is relevant to the discussion we are having over in the racists thread.
25) Message boards : Politics : Racist? [yes you are] (Message 1613637)
Posted 6 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
If Clyde had made a post in that thread before that post I linked I must of missed it and then I'm sorry, but the only posts that I've see of Clyde mentioning his family there were after it.

If Clyde mentioned his family in another thread, then any comments on it should've been kept to just that other thread only.

But still, it's better not to make comments on anyone's family at all to make a point.

P.S. after a quick look through that thread I still couldn't find a post by Clyde mentioning his family before that linked post so if he did then please point me to it.

Cheers.


It WAS in another thread Wiggo. I've had a quick sniff about but it involves re-reading a lot of Clyde's posts (hi Clyde :)) and there's a lot of erm... left, right, left, right, centre stuff going on :) Might take me awhile :)

Then any comment by others should've been kept to that thread then and not brought into another 1. ;-)

Cheers.

I disagree. Conversation is not a rigid linear thing and the context would have been the same, even if it were a different thread. I have never heard of these rules you are trying to enforce and I don't even agree that they apply to this situation.
26) Message boards : Politics : Against ALL women - Infanticide, Slavery, Rape, Trafficking... (#2) (Message 1613509)
Posted 6 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
Symphysiotomy – Ireland’s brutal alternative to caesareans

It is this sort of horrific abuse that makes me passionate about keeping ideology out of decisions about women's health. That includes abortion, contraception, childbirth decisions and sex education.

It should make you want to keep ideology out of all aspects of society.

Indeed, but some ideologies are so deeply embedded that it is difficult to prise them out, such as racism and sexism.
27) Message boards : Politics : Against ALL women - Infanticide, Slavery, Rape, Trafficking... (#2) (Message 1613448)
Posted 7 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
Symphysiotomy – Ireland’s brutal alternative to caesareans

It is this sort of horrific abuse that makes me passionate about keeping ideology out of decisions about women's health. That includes abortion, contraception, childbirth decisions and sex education.
28) Message boards : Politics : Racist? [yes you are] (Message 1613442)
Posted 7 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
Alright - enough of the ES99 bashing OK? I am quite sure that there are a large number of posters and lurkers here that actually do agree with her views but for reasons best known to them would rather not say so publicly. I don't agree with her general left wing politics, and never have done, but I am happy to publicly support her stance against racism against black people, and discrimination against women.

Perhaps she is more outspoken than the average Moderator, is that a bad thing? Fred doesn't seem to think so.

Fred was well aware of who he was making a moderator and well aware of my politics. However, Fred was also sure that I would be able to separate my own feelings from my moderator decisions. When I feel that I cannot do so, I ask the other moderators to take a look and decide what is best.
29) Message boards : Politics : Make justice happen (Message 1613423)
Posted 7 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
30) Message boards : Politics : Are you a psychopath? (Message 1613413)
Posted 7 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
Now there's a thought! Any "good" chemists amongst our lot?

Well, I'm a chemical engineer. Not the same, but I do have second-year chemistry behind me. My country might profit from a good leader with a chemistry background. Our current one has no formal schooling at all. And it shows!

Interestingly, highly educated Modern American President's, Wilson, Bush Jr. (Harvard), and Obama, were/are failures.

Perhaps Practical (make things work) Educated Persons - Chemists, Engineer's, etc., will be better.

Who says Obama was a failure? Despite the obstruction of the right wing he got a lot of things done. He fixed the economy that Bush Jr broke. He made a start at fixing your healthcare system. He is working on fixing your broken immigration system

For fixing a economy that was in such a deep hole alone he should get credit. He saved your asses.

By omitting Wilson and Bush Jr. - you agree with 2/3 of my statement?

:) :) :)

I agree that Bush Jr. was a failure. I don't know much about Wilson so I can't comment.

What I do know is that there are too many lawyers in politics. I think we need some Astrophysicists, such as Neil de Grasse Tyson in charge.

So your saying Neil deGrasse Tyson should be the next Pm of Canada?

I never thought of that. How long would it take to make him Canadian? We'd have him like a shot.
31) Message boards : Politics : Racist? [yes you are] (Message 1613411)
Posted 7 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
Just because you read something in a Paper, Does not not make it true. As one example I will use the cold fusion Paper. That dosent make it wrong, But so far what they stated has'nt come true in repeated testing.

Just because I am citing one paper it does not mean there is only one paper. I have plenty, this one just seemed applicable to where our current debate is.
And I dont think anyone in here has stated that they are not racists. We all are to some degree.

Then you understand where I am coming from.

As for hurt feelings. Maybe for me thats the case.

and it was you the comment was aimed at.

But for Bi-Racial children, they get the stigma of not belonging to either race. Ive heard it first hand from both sides.


I am very aware of the problems faced by mixed race children . They are perceived as black by white people and not black enough by black people. However, the racism that they endure is based on their blackness. So it still racism against being black no matter which side it coming from.

So I gather from your posts Racism is just hurt feeling. Sorry I think your wrong.

Racism against white people is just hurt feelings. Racism against black people can be fatal. You have self identified as white. It is unlikely that being white will get you killed.
32) Message boards : Politics : Racist? [yes you are] (Message 1613408)
Posted 7 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor


Although it seems unfair to bring your own family into a discussion to make a point but not to let others respond to this point.

You certainly have that backwards and wrong there and it was not about how you have stated it at all so read my post again.

If someone brings their family into a discussion then a response can be made, but Clyde didn't bring his family into that thread, Es99 did though. ;-)

Clyde I'm a fan of all forms of the game of cricket, but today was the last day of the 1st Test match between us and India. :-)

Cheers.

Clyde bought them up in earlier discussions to justify that he is not racist, otherwise how would I know he has black grandchildren? He hasn't posted pictures of them anywhere. He has also made plenty of comments and assumptions that are deeply insulting to my family. That is neither here nor there. I did not insult his grandchildren, I do however worry about them and what will happen to them as they grow older. Clyde is obviously someone who cannot put himself in someone else's shoes. So there is definitely a need to personalise this issue for him so that he can engage his empathic side.
33) Message boards : Politics : Racist? [yes you are] (Message 1613399)
Posted 7 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
most reject the suggestion that they are accountable for the benefits of their history that includes oppression in their society;

Accountable, such a lovely word.
1) required or expected to justify actions or decisions;

So they must justify the actions of their grandparents before they were born. Essentially they are born guilty. How is this any different than the overt racism of guilt because you are born black? Or is that the teaching technique being used, insult the student so they learn?

From the same paper discussing the three ideological assumptions that make teaching anti-racism so difficult.

I see you can't answer a simple question. Is it the teaching technique to insult? I know some consider that a valid technique and it has been used in classrooms. Is that the method you were taught to teach? I'm asking for a very specific reason.

I do not teach it. I have been taught it..would you expect me to to be teaching kids of all races and backgrounds without having to examine how my own internalised prejudiced could cause me to treat them differently? You seem under the mistaken impression that this pedagogy is aimed at the students. It is aimed at those who teach the students.

I cannot teach it here the way it was taught to me. This is forum. What I can do is share some of the ideas behind it so that you can go and learn more about yourself. I am assuming that I am dealing with adults here? If you wish me to deal with you how I would deal with children I can do that. However, as we do not know the race of everyone on this forum I can only challenge you when you make comments that assume the norm is 'white male' and I have been doing that for years here anyway.
34) Message boards : Politics : Racist? [yes you are] (Message 1613117)
Posted 7 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
I figured as much for getting an answer from you and at no time have I tried to have you removed as a mod, so I have no idea where you get that impression from.

I must be confusing you with someone else then.

But I do expect for a mod to set a good example to others.

Also as some others here have pointed out to you, you do post some offensive posts and in doing so you should also expect some offensive replies, quite simple in my books.

..and that's all you did was it?

Now that should be quite a good answer for you, so?

So you are not going to explain what you found so offensive about the post you bought up, despite being so outraged about it?
35) Message boards : Politics : Racist? [yes you are] (Message 1613115)
Posted 7 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
most reject the suggestion that they are accountable for the benefits of their history that includes oppression in their society;

Accountable, such a lovely word.
1) required or expected to justify actions or decisions;

So they must justify the actions of their grandparents before they were born. Essentially they are born guilty. How is this any different than the overt racism of guilt because you are born black? Or is that the teaching technique being used, insult the student so they learn?

From the same paper discussing the three ideological assumptions that make teaching anti-racism so difficult.

Ideology Assumption #3: Goodness and innocence--by individual acts and good intentions, one can secure innocence as well as superiority .

Finally, here are some further statements we commonly encounter in response to anti-racist education.
- I don't see race. I see people as people instead of judging by external appearance.
- I am fascinated by all the cultures. I love learning about them.
- We weren't like some families. At our house we were taught to respect all cultures.
- Why do they always bring up the past? I wasn't there.


The paper then goes on to explain:

Countless forms of denial are necessary to maintain oneself as innocent, including the following: countercharges of white male- bashing, and reverse discrimination; dismissing experiences of oppression among target groups; and dismissing the credentials of one who brings bad tidings (shooting the messenger) (Adams et al., 1997; Martin, 1995). All of this assumes that the privileges of whites, males, and dominant identifications are beyond criticism and that unearned virtue will be maintained by silence. If the status quo is to be maintained, these virtues are not debatable points--there are simply no other voices.
36) Message boards : Politics : Racist? [yes you are] (Message 1613114)
Posted 7 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
Now that there's a break in the cricket here Es99, back to the question that you havn't answered yet.



...., but we never bring someone else's family into them, so are you deigning making this post (just for starters)?

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=75112&postid=1606215

We're still waiting, or are you just trying to avoid answering it?

Wiggo, I literally do not have to answer to you, no matter how long you wait. The fact that you even presume that you have the right to demand that I do is something you might want to examine. It certainly fits into everything I have been talking about these last few days.

As I really cannot understand what your issue with my post was, apart from that you found it offensive. I have very little to say about it. If you wish to explain how and why you found it offensive, then perhaps I could answer your rude demands.

Other than that all I have seen is that you "found something offensive" you then threw a fit, insulted me, hurled more insults at me, tried to get me removed as a mod and insisted on having a whole load of posts removed.

I would really love an explanation as to why you think your behaviour is acceptable. So in that, I guess we are both "still waiting".
37) Message boards : Politics : I hope that this cop gets to feel the full force of the law. #2 (Message 1613092)
Posted 7 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
Let's Play Good Cop, Bad Cop. All Ad Nauseam Like.

The 99One Gives US Examples of Bad, Oh So Bad, Coppers.

Others, Well, make Rational Posts.

Yep.

' '

A good cop wrote the article. So you need to correct your post to "The 99One Gives US Examples of Bad, Oh So Bad, Coppers and good, oh so good coppers."

Otherwise I might think you are displaying "selective perceptions of reality".
38) Message boards : Politics : Are you a psychopath? (Message 1613089)
Posted 7 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
Now there's a thought! Any "good" chemists amongst our lot?

Well, I'm a chemical engineer. Not the same, but I do have second-year chemistry behind me. My country might profit from a good leader with a chemistry background. Our current one has no formal schooling at all. And it shows!

Interestingly, highly educated Modern American President's, Wilson, Bush Jr. (Harvard), and Obama, were/are failures.

Perhaps Practical (make things work) Educated Persons - Chemists, Engineer's, etc., will be better.

Who says Obama was a failure? Despite the obstruction of the right wing he got a lot of things done. He fixed the economy that Bush Jr broke. He made a start at fixing your healthcare system. He is working on fixing your broken immigration system

For fixing a economy that was in such a deep hole alone he should get credit. He saved your asses.

By omitting Wilson and Bush Jr. - you agree with 2/3 of my statement?

:) :) :)

I agree that Bush Jr. was a failure. I don't know much about Wilson so I can't comment.

What I do know is that there are too many lawyers in politics. I think we need some Astrophysicists, such as Neil de Grasse Tyson in charge.
39) Message boards : Politics : I hope that this cop gets to feel the full force of the law. #2 (Message 1613086)
Posted 7 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
Being a cop showed me just how racist and violent the police are. There’s only one fix.

"Once, I accompanied an officer on a call. At one home, a teenage boy answered the door. That officer accused him of harboring a robbery suspect, and demanded that he let her inside. When he refused, the officer yanked him onto the porch by his throat and began punching him.

Another officer met us and told the boy to stand. He replied that he couldn’t. So the officer slammed him against the house and cuffed him. When the boy again said he couldn’t walk, the officer grabbed him by his ankles and dragged him to the car. It turned out the boy had been on crutches when he answered the door, and couldn’t walk."
40) Message boards : Politics : Racist? [yes you are] (Message 1613073)
Posted 7 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
I think the paper "What makes anti-racist pedagogy in teacher education difficult? Three popular ideological assumptions" by Carol Schick and Verna St Denis really speaks to some of the behaviour going on in this thread.

I have taken on the role of trying to explain racism to you guys. (I'm not even charging you for my services, you're welcome) and what I am seeing with all these personal insults and attempts at censorship fit into this passage from the paper.

Most white students (and definitely most white male students) will recoil at the suggestion that they are members of a dominant group; most reject the suggestion that they are accountable for the benefits of their history that includes oppression in their society; most will express dismay when the opinion and what they consider to be the knowledge they utilize are exposed as the discourse of the oppressor. (p. 92) Resistance to cross-cultural and anti-racist education manifests itself in many forms, including various combinations of denial of inequality, selective perceptions of reality, guilt and anger, and at times withdrawal from learning (Adams, Bell, &Griffin, 1997; Elliot, 1997; Martin, 1995; Sleeter, 1993).


The highlighting is mine. I think you can clearly see where were we are in this process.

So I am totally unsurprised by the reactions I am getting as they are fairly standard when trying to deal with this topic.


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