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1) Message boards : Politics : existance of god (Message 1721775)
Posted 1 hour ago by Profile Es99
Writing books and giving talks is hardly the same as making laws that impose their belief's on other people or blowing people up.

Every law that is ever written is someone imposing their beliefs on everyone else. Thats what laws are. Whoever is in favor of a law is automatically imposing that on everyone who is not in favor of that law. Once a law is adopted, people who don't like that law can't opt out. So is it fair to accuse religious people from doing that? Not really, because as soon as its an atheist making the laws, he/she is imposing their views on everyone else.

However, Atheist are more likely to base their views on facts or theories (even if those theories might prove to be wrong such as "free market" idiologies) rather than some fairytale written down in a book several thousand years ago.

As for blowing people up, well obviously thats wrong, but its only a tiny group of religious people that does that. Its not fair to blame religion in general for that.

Not all religious people, sure, but you find that most of these fanatics are religious. There is some sort of correlation between irrational thoughts and irrational actions.

Also, if you want to account for all the bad things religion supposedly causes, you also need to account all the good things religion also causes. And in general, the overwhelming majority of religious people are good people who in their way try to do good. And often, their way of doing good doesn't even differ from the way atheists try to do good.

I agree that some people need religion to be good people, that's fine, atheists can also do good things and be good people. However, what you do see is religious people using their religion to justify bad things.

I am quite happy for religious people to go around talking about their faith and writing books. They can even be rude to people on the internet if they want. However, they need to stop making laws based on their beliefs.

You cannot write a law that is not based on your beliefs. Law writing is not an exact science, there is no scientific 'correct' way of writing a law.

Who do you think is really behind these stupid and dangerous anti-abortion laws? Who are the people that get really upset about gay marriage? Who the people that that rewrite school text books that ignore facts that go against their beliefs? Its not atheists.

Correlation is not causation. Yes, you'll find that those people are generally religious. But you also have to remember that they are conservatives. The reason they do those things is because they are conservatives, which I admit, has married certain aspect of their religion with politics. But what conservatives really want, and which their name already implies, is to preserve the status quo. They want to 'conserve' society or restore it to some idealized point in history. In this particular case, they are against abortion because that empowers women and they don't want that. They are against gay rights because that disrupts the white straight male's dominant position in society. They revise history in order to make it fit with their idealized vision of the past. Religion has next to nothing to do with it.

I see your point, and it is certainly a big part of the picture. However you will notice that these conservatives seem to be drawn to religion because it serves their purposes and it doesn't require critical thinking.
2) Message boards : Politics : Vote Canada!!....Good news! (Message 1721735)
Posted 3 hours ago by Profile Es99
Chris Alexander pauses his election campaign in wake of refugee crisis

As an immigrant myself and having had to go through the ridiculous, arbitrary and ever-changing hoops set up by the current government, it doesn't surprise me that they are complicit in that little boy's death.
3) Message boards : Politics : existance of god (Message 1721732)
Posted 3 hours ago by Profile Es99
However, if it ended there and the people who believed in god left the people who don't believe in god alone than it would be fine. However, you just have to watch the American news to see how much misery Christians are inflicting on women and gay people because of their beliefs.

Sorry but again, Atheists are not above that sort of behavior themselves. Atheist regimes have existed and generally they have not been very kind towards people who wanted to believe in God. And modern Western Atheism has a huge problem with sexism and racism, so they got that down as well.

Atheists tend to leave people alone, but lots of christians (and muslims and jewish people) tend to try to inflict their views on other people and force them to live by their fantastical made up moral code. Just look at the republican primaries right now to see a bunch of christian fanatics desperate to force their views on other people.

Atheists tend to leave people alone? Really? You mean they don't write books about how awesome Atheism is? Or go to conventions to talk about how great it is to be an Atheist? They don't get on the internet and argue with other people why they should stop believing in God? They don't make pretentious Youtube videos where they do their hardest to make sure they insult as many religious people as possible? They don't get into massive flame wars? Sure, not all Atheists are like that, but the same is true for Christians, Jews, Muslims or other religions.

As for made up moral codes, all moral codes are made up, all laws are man made and all of them are imposed by force.

The gist of it, a (lack of) belief in God has no causal link to whether you are a good person or not.

Writing books and giving talks is hardly the same as making laws that impose their belief's on other people or blowing people up.

I am quite happy for religious people to go around talking about their faith and writing books. They can even be rude to people on the internet if they want. However, they need to stop making laws based on their beliefs.

Who do you think is really behind these stupid and dangerous anti-abortion laws? Who are the people that get really upset about gay marriage? Who the people that that rewrite school text books that ignore facts that go against their beliefs? Its not atheists.
4) Message boards : Politics : Migration Period now? (Message 1721713)
Posted 3 hours ago by Profile Es99
Refugee crisis: what can you do to help?
5) Message boards : Politics : existance of god (Message 1721703)
Posted 4 hours ago by Profile Es99
I often wonder what would 1 of the Great astronomers & cosmologists of 20th century, late Carl Sagan, would tell to all those Atheists...& why did he turn to Agnostic?

if he was alive, I would ask him that question...more than any other!

& 2nd Q would be: do u like what your baby, SETi has become?
;)

Carl Sagan was a full Atheist.
This book may answer your question.
http://www.amazon.com/The-Demon-Haunted-World-Science-Candle/dp/0345409469

Steve


Carl Sagan openly spoke out against Atheists, but I think his bigger issue was with militant Atheism in general.

What many fail to realize is that every Atheist is really an Agnostic Atheist, and every Agnostic is really an Agnostic Atheist as well, but due to the taboo of the word Atheist and all the connotations it carries in any social circle, many agnostics try to distance themselves from Atheism in general.

The reason I make this claim is that what we are really talking about is the question: Is there a god? That single question can be answered in the philosophical/epistemological sense, in which no one truly knows if there's a God or not, so in that sense, we are all Agnostic (even believers).

So then you must change the question to get a more meaningful answer; Do you believe in (a) god? If you say yes, you have faith and are a believer. Any other answer of "I'm not sure" or "No" and you most certainly are an Atheist - making you an Agnostic Atheist.

It isn't that Atheism claims there is no god, but that there isn't enough direct evidence to support the idea of one (Brutus/Guy mentions several intangible evidence to suggest why he believes there's a god, but there's also many other natural explanations for the things he sees). The entire idea that Atheists claim there's no god, and thus it is on them to prove a negative, is hokum, and any Atheists that assert there's no god, I proffer are doing so from a puritanical perspective.


I don't know if there's a god, but given that the natural explanations for everything I see around me is acceptable, I'm OK with saying I don't believe there's a god. I know we don't have the answers to everything, and we may never have the answers to everything, but I do know the scientific method will take us the farthest in finding answers as best as we are able to comprehend the universe. I don't need anything else beyond that to feel satisfied with life.

What if like me you are sure that there is no god and feel that people who believe in god are a little bit delusional?

Of course a rational person will change their opinion if there is evidence, but I am not sure that qualifies as agnostic, unless you call someone who doesn't think that teapots can talk an agnostic because if they come across a talking teapot they will change their mind (or more likely go and seek professional help).

There is no god. The idea of a god is daft, especially when you examine all the religions of the world and notice how sure each adherent is that they have the correct one. Especially when you realise that we have evolved to see patterns in nature when there are none.

However, if it ended there and the people who believed in god left the people who don't believe in god alone than it would be fine. However, you just have to watch the American news to see how much misery Christians are inflicting on women and gay people because of their beliefs.

Atheists tend to leave people alone, but lots of christians (and muslims and jewish people) tend to try to inflict their views on other people and force them to live by their fantastical made up moral code. Just look at the republican primaries right now to see a bunch of christian fanatics desperate to force their views on other people.
6) Message boards : Politics : Racist? [yes you are] (Message 1721442)
Posted 23 hours ago by Profile Es99
Arms weren't raised. Period.

Right, an autopsy report doesn't show whether someone had his arms up or not. What the autopsy report shows that Brown was hit in the hand at close range once, and this likely happened during the altercation at Wilsons car. Then there was some medical examiner, who was in no way connected to the official investigation who said that this meant he couldn't have had his hands up. That same person was later saying that her statements were taken out of context by the press. In reality, she was considering several scenarios that would result in similar autopsy findings, and one such scenario was one where he indeed didn't have his hands up. And that was the only scenario that the media then covered.

The actual autopsy report however, does not say that Michael Brown did not have his hands up at the moment he got shot the other 4-5 times. Read this.

Is it really so hard to believe that the police shot someone who had his hands up? Are you really only interested in finding supposed racism in the African American community?

Supposed?

Hmmmmm.......

Proves my point that the White Left will not accept their bigotry against Blacks.

Blacks have all the positives and negatives as Asians and Whites.

Only a Bigoted Philosophy does not believe that Hateful Black Individuals and Groups, cannot be held to the same level of responsibility, as Hateful Asians and Whites.

Why does the White Progressive Left, believe that Black People should be held to the same limited responsibility as children?

Answer:

As with the Racist KKK. I don't have an answer for the Racist White Progressive Left's need to believe in their own superiority.

The Psychological Warfare Being Waged Against Black Lives Matter
7) Message boards : Politics : Migration Period now? (Message 1721296)
Posted 1 day ago by Profile Es99
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/02/shocking-image-of-drowned-syrian-boy-shows-tragic-plight-of-refugees?

"The full horror of the human tragedy unfolding on the shores of Europe was brought home on Wednesday as images of the lifeless body of a young boy – one of at least 12 Syrians who drowned attempting to reach the Greek island of Kos – encapsulated the extraordinary risks refugees are taking to reach the west.

The picture, taken on Wednesday morning, depicted the dark-haired toddler, wearing a bright red T-shirt and shorts, washed up on a beach, lying face down in the surf not far from Turkey’s fashionable resort town of Bodrum.

A second image portrays a grim-faced policeman carrying the tiny body away. Within hours it had gone viral becoming the top trending picture on Twitter under the hashtag #KiyiyaVuranInsanlik (humanity washed ashore)."

The images in this article are heartbreaking, especially if you've had little boys yourself and you can see your own child lying there.
8) Message boards : Politics : Vote Canada!!....Good news! (Message 1721059)
Posted 1 day ago by Profile Es99
Good news!
Dear Leader says we are only in a:
'technical recession'
He also believes in:
'technical hunger'
'technical injustice'
and of course,
original sin.
Good news!


its only a "technical" recession, its not a legitimate recession or a recession recession... :D
9) Message boards : Politics : Big Pharmaceutical companies price gouging (Message 1719701)
Posted 6 days ago by Profile Es99
we are a nation of shoppers after all shopping is the most important
thing in the universe .lol
let us shop and the market will take care of the rest.
universal health does not fix the problem it shifts the burden.

Technically universal healthcare shares the burden rather than shifts it. Your expensive healthcare costs have absolutely nothing to do with other people having universal health care.
10) Message boards : Politics : Ephebiphobia (Message 1719528)
Posted 6 days ago by Profile Es99
Sorry late edit, just seen this Goths

Ugh, that again?

Those types of studies are a little suspect. For one, this study only found a correlation, not a cause and effect. Second, those studies always go after Goths or the 'alternative' sub culture. How often have you seen these studies being conducted on 'normal' people? I've yet to see a study that examines the mental health of people who like bright colored clothes and popular music.

This is just another form of institutional bias against people who don't conform to society's norms. Because Goths like dark clothing and non mainstream pop music they get subjected to all kinds of mental health probes, because obviously wearing a tshirt with a skull on it and listening to Metal or Industrial means there is something not right in your head. After all, how can Goths be right in their head if they don't want to be like everyone else? Everyone else thinks being like everyone else is great, so clearly the problem must lie with Goths.

One of my best friends is a goth and most definitely in the 40 something age group. Also a ridiculously cheery person...so now I am very confused as who is supposed to be what! LMAO!
11) Message boards : Politics : Big Pharmaceutical companies price gouging (Message 1719206)
Posted 7 days ago by Profile Es99
I am wondering how much I can pack in my suitcase because I draw the attention of the customs agents.

Anyone can import a 90 day supply of approved drugs into CANADA without customs worries.
But who's to say what a 90 day supply is?
If you have a high tolerance, and severe allergies, a 90 day supply could be a lot.

Thank you, good to know.

It must be nice to go back and visit friends and family that you haven't seen for a while.
Teachers do have it pretty good.

There are definitely benefits to being a teacher, but before you get too jealous, bear in mind that this is the first time I've made it back in six years, I am stuck paying peak fares as that is the only time I can travel which meant that I couldn't afford to bring my husband and I travelled what could only be called cattle class! I am not looking forward to the return flight.
12) Message boards : Politics : Ephebiphobia (Message 1719038)
Posted 7 days ago by Profile Es99
That is often the reason people get so upset when posting on seti and coming across points of view totally oppostie to theirs that they would never normally come across. Some peole can find it quite distressing when they realise they are not the sole keeper of the 'correct' world view.

Well +100 on that one!

As far as I'm concerned I don't believe there is any such thing as personal attacks. Anybody can say that they think I look ugly, they are entitled to their opinion (and are probably right!), but I reserve the right to simply disagree with them. Doesn't bother me. If we all agreed about everything what a boring world it would be. Claiming personal attacks is being too thin skinned in my opinion.

Says the man who called me a "disgrace for my university and an embarrassment for the Dutch nation" when I disagreed with him. And who consistently whines about being persecuted whenever more than one person in a thread disagrees with him. If only you just disagree with people.

+1

A personal comment about someone's looks or background is not a point of view. Its an insult and has no place in any discussion here. I believe the reason this thread was created was because rather than discussing the points made by young people, young people themselves were insulted as if all young people think and act the same.

I am aware that a tactic often used by politicians to 'win' an argument is to attack the messenger, not the message. However, despite this being the politics forum, that sort of behaviour does not convince anyone of anything.
13) Message boards : Politics : Big Pharmaceutical companies price gouging (Message 1719018)
Posted 7 days ago by Profile Es99
Three years ago when I was diagnosed with type 2 diabetes the type of insulin my Dr prescribed was costing me a copay of $40/month and my coverage never hit the "gap". Last year I was told in November that I had reached the gap and had to pay over $80/month til the end of the year unless my total out of pocket prescription costs went over $4,700. This year I hit the gap in September due to the increase in price of the insulin and now I have to pay over $100/month thru December. It seems that finally some generic companies will be able to manufacture and sell this form of insulin soon so the big companies are raking in the profits while they can. In three years the insulin has gone up over 400%. Nobody else makes it and people on insulin don't have any other options.

Some people in border states have been getting their insulin from Canada but the FDA is claiming that since the product is temperature sensitive getting it from Canada may be dangerous.

Ain't life grand.

Because Canada has socialised medicine they are able to bargain lower drug prices with the pharmaceutical companies. However, I have noticed that there are still some big difference between drug prices in the UK and Canada that I understand are due to the patent laws. For example I have to pay as much as $30 for a pack of anti-allergy pills, but I just bought a load here in London for 2 pounds. (about $4 with the terrible exchange rate). I am wondering how much I can pack in my suitcase because I draw the attention of the customs agents.
14) Message boards : Politics : Ephebiphobia (Message 1719014)
Posted 7 days ago by Profile Es99


1 example versus 1 counterexample can be thought to balance to 0 versus 0; i.e., nothing gained in forwarding either of the claims.

Data sample is too small to have any meaning at all and is not randomised.
15) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Real Pictures of Real Seti Friends (Message 1718774)
Posted 7 days ago by Profile Es99
Oh, its always nice to meet Annie.

She's a lovely lady and it was very nice to see her.
16) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Real Pictures of Real Seti Friends (Message 1718755)
Posted 7 days ago by Profile Es99
I'm on a flying visit to London and managed to fit in a lovely afternoon with a certain lady who has been known to frequent the politics forum.




Thank you Anniet for taking the trouble to come and meet up with me.
17) Message boards : Politics : Ephebiphobia (Message 1718722)
Posted 7 days ago by Profile Es99
So, next, does Chris (or anyone else) care to know why I think 40 somethings or transitioning viewpoint 40 somethings will be hard to find here?

Yes please.


First, remember that before 2008, the posting community here was more diverse and vibrant. It has never fully bounced back.

Second, I have been trying to see both sides since at least age 23, so there's little to no transitioning occurring. Bobby says essentially the same for himself. I doubt Es is transitioning much. 272902 says he sees little transitioning in himself or others.

The old maxims may no longer be holding. The reasons given by Michel and others may also explain why some 40somethings think as they do and are not transitioning to become more conservative as they age.

What exactly is meant by transitioning? I have definitely become more left wing as I have grown older and wiser. I think Tami makes some very valid points in that the reason someone doesn't like young people gathering is most likely because of fear.


In the context of this discussion, I think Chris first brought up the term and I think it is pretty clear he means moving from one side of the political spectrum to the other side, by whatever degree. Becoming more left wing, then, would not fit in this theory of transitions Chris has but rather seems to be one example in favor of my point. I think Bobby's making the same point.

Chris, can we then take Es as counterpoint to your female relative? We're back to 0 to 0, then; i.e., single examples do not provide proof.

Anecdotal evidence is never going to be proof (in the sense of mathematical proof, however large samples of anecdotal evidence can be sufficient when dealing with non-mathematical areas such as human interaction). Its not even possible to assume that because you are surrounded by people who think like you that you represent a majority or a 'norm' because we tend to surround ourselves with people who think like us.

That is often the reason people get so upset when posting on seti and coming across points of view totally oppostie to theirs that they would never normally come across. Some peole can find it quite distressing when they realise they are not the sole keeper of the 'correct' world view.
18) Message boards : Politics : Ephebiphobia (Message 1718696)
Posted 7 days ago by Profile Es99
So, next, does Chris (or anyone else) care to know why I think 40 somethings or transitioning viewpoint 40 somethings will be hard to find here?

Yes please.


First, remember that before 2008, the posting community here was more diverse and vibrant. It has never fully bounced back.

Second, I have been trying to see both sides since at least age 23, so there's little to no transitioning occurring. Bobby says essentially the same for himself. I doubt Es is transitioning much. 272902 says he sees little transitioning in himself or others.

The old maxims may no longer be holding. The reasons given by Michel and others may also explain why some 40somethings think as they do and are not transitioning to become more conservative as they age.

What exactly is meant by transitioning? I have definitely become more left wing as I have grown older and wiser. I think Tami makes some very valid points in that the reason someone doesn't like young people gathering is most likely because of fear.
19) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Raccoon Update XXII - All Are Welcome In The Critter Cafe (Message 1717832)
Posted 10 days ago by Profile Es99
Yesterday was my 10 year Seti-versary! Doesn't time fly when you are having fun?
20) Message boards : Cafe SETI : Cats (Message 1716500)
Posted 13 days ago by Profile Es99
Bubba the Cat Is a Wonderful Student


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