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1) Message boards : Politics : Racist? [yes you are] (Message 1615102)
Posted 2 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
Have you ever been stopped by the police for running for a bus?

No, but someone who happened to be going down the sidewalk with me did get pinched. They ran the pedestrian signal, I stopped and also had seen the officer. Can't remember if it was before or after I read the newspaper article about the stepped up pedestrian safety enforcement program. They are damn righteous about safety campaigns and have zero tolerance.

I'm just talking about running down the sidewalk perfectly legally. Its happen to friends on mine on multiple occasions because running while black is suspicious.

Now as to me, I've been pulled over on mistaken id for a traffic ticket, and also had an officer be incorrect on my driving and even once gotten one I deserved. Now they have also tried to hang different felonies on me at various times, which I had no part in.

All times I've been stopped by police I've deserved it. One of black friends who happened to be the son of millionaire business executive and therefore drove a very nice car. He was stopped by the police at least once a week for driving a nice car while black.

BTW have you ever been walking down the street and have someone lean out the window and yell the N word at you? I have. As well as a few others including honky, gringo, huerto and pimp.

I'm female. We simply don't have time for all the things that have been hollered at me over the years. Most of them I would have to mod anyway as they are pretty foul. At least you got "pimp". Pimp is far better than the alternative right? And probably less scary.

The fact that you have to ask if I've ever had someone yell something offensive to me as I walk down the street is an example of how white men really have no idea what its like for the rest of us. That you would even ask that..that you would even entertain the thought that this might not have happened to me or that it has even happened to you as much as its happened to me....

Sure, white people get stopped by police...but as often as black men? No. Are the police more likely to react with violence when dealing with a black person? Yes.
2) Message boards : Politics : Racist? [yes you are] (Message 1615061)
Posted 2 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
LOL
Thanks Chris...
Oh yes, we've all seen her in action and it's quite evident she needs no help defending herself.
I simply put myself in her camp to show my moral support while I offer to hold her coat because I can't get my blood pressure elevated arguing with the lunatic fringe.

I've just got an extreme stubborn streak when I know I'm right. Luckily I'm white and the police simply give me a ride home when I've dug my heels in over something.

You get that preferential treatment of a ride home because you are a woman, men of course are discriminated against and have to find their own way home through that dark alley. ;)

Well one of the times it happened was in the afternoon. While my black friends would be stopped by the police on a regular basis for running for the bus, I got a ride home once for holding up a bus for over an hour after the bus conductor falsely accused me of not paying the correct fare. Have you ever been stopped by the police for running for a bus?
3) Message boards : Politics : Racist? [yes you are] (Message 1615042)
Posted 2 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
LOL
Thanks Chris...
Oh yes, we've all seen her in action and it's quite evident she needs no help defending herself.
I simply put myself in her camp to show my moral support while I offer to hold her coat because I can't get my blood pressure elevated arguing with the lunatic fringe.

I've just got an extreme stubborn streak when I know I'm right. Luckily I'm white and the police simply give me a ride home when I've dug my heels in over something.
4) Message boards : Politics : Are you a psychopath? (Message 1615039)
Posted 2 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
So Robert if you score less than me but get the same description as i did , does that mean the test is crap ? or you put your score with my description .

At what score are you a psychopath then .

Darn i thought i scored high enough to be a nutter , darn i'm gona have to be careful i mite lose my pension then as that will be Abbott's next move to refuse a pension unless your a bona fide nutter .


This is the description given to me by the test. I think we can assume there are only three descriptions.

1) Innocent as a newborn
2) Normal
3) Dick Cheney

LMAO!!!
5) Message boards : Politics : Racist? [yes you are] (Message 1614448)
Posted 3 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
Truth be told, absent overt racism, or a mind meld, none of us has enough information about any isolated specific incident to draw a valid conclusion.

Which is why you can't look at them in isolation. That is just another way of pretending that there isn't a problem.

Which is precisely what you did when you posted the isolated example.

I posted a whole list of them.
6) Message boards : Politics : Racist? [yes you are] (Message 1614443)
Posted 3 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
Video shows John Crawford's girlfriend aggressively questioned after Ohio police shot him dead in Walmart

Aggressively questioned? Perhaps, but where is the racism?

The racism is where an black man carrying a bb gun was gunned down by police and no charges were bought. (where a white man can open carry an actual gun and insist he is enjoying his 2nd amendment rights). The racism is where his already traumatised girlfriend is accused of being on drugs and lying.

The racism is where a black man gets strangled to death by police and no charges are bought.

The racism is where a black 12 year old is gunned down in a playground by police and no charges are bought.

The racism is where a teenage boy goes out to buy a pack sweets and is shot dead by a security guard and the man is not convicted of murder.

The racism is because there are so many stories like this and they don't even keep statistics on on it.

John Crawford's girlfriend being interrogated is not racism.
However Police accusing witnesses being on drugs and lying is unfortunately quite common.
Have been there...

Police tactics are frequently repulsive to some segments of society. It is a very dirty job.

Was it racist? By ES99's rules it is impossible for the police not to be racist. Perhaps a better question is to ask if an Arab would have been treated differently? Go down your list of races and ethnicities. Then put the last two in, white trash and white politician. Ask, would it be different?

We know it would be. We know for example that some rich white boys got to claim that prison would be too hard for them and they were let off.

What you are discussing here is intersectionality where different groups and different prejudices intersect. For example, during the ferguson protests some women who had done most of the organising for a rally were pushed aside by the men when it came to media speaking and their role ignored. The same thing happened during the occupy movement. An upper class white woman might try to dominate a discussion on feminism and marginalise her black or lower class colleagues. On many occasions I have seen men who claim to be feminists try to take over feminist groups and start telling women how to be good feminists. Then of course there are issues with how disabled people or gay people are treated.

The one group that comes out on top or is considered dominant in all these discussions is the white rich male. I think it was Chris Rock who said he liked being famous because it was like being white. Look at how much Bill Cosby has gotten away with because he is famous.

These are all topics that are worthy of discussion. However the case of how black people (and you'll notice that even though a large amount of black women are treated appallingly by the justice system they don't seem to be heard about as much) are treated is really quite obvious. You don't call it a rain storm by looking at each individual drop. You call it rain storm when you can no longer ignore all the damn rain falling out of the sky.

Is it racist? Or are you just putting your personal prejudices in the form of assumptions in the question and getting the answer you wish to hear? The answers you got are actually closer to the question; Am I racist?

If you are not aware of the privilege that comes with being a white male and you aren't monitoring how it affects your interactions and assumptions with others, then yes, you probably are.

Truth be told, absent overt racism, or a mind meld, none of us has enough information about any isolated specific incident to draw a valid conclusion.

Which is why you can't look at them in isolation. That is just another way of pretending that there isn't a problem.
7) Message boards : Politics : Racist? [yes you are] (Message 1614336)
Posted 4 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
Video shows John Crawford's girlfriend aggressively questioned after Ohio police shot him dead in Walmart

Aggressively questioned? Perhaps, but where is the racism?

The racism is where an black man carrying a bb gun was gunned down by police and no charges were bought. (where a white man can open carry an actual gun and insist he is enjoying his 2nd amendment rights). The racism is where his already traumatised girlfriend is accused of being on drugs and lying.

The racism is where a black man gets strangled to death by police and no charges are bought.

The racism is where a black 12 year old is gunned down in a playground by police and no charges are bought.

The racism is where a teenage boy goes out to buy a pack sweets and is shot dead by a security guard and the man is not convicted of murder.

The racism is because there are so many stories like this and they don't even keep statistics on on it.
8) Message boards : Politics : Racist? [yes you are] (Message 1614332)
Posted 4 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
@Wiggo: Just tidying up a loose end :)
First post on "the subject" in this thread

Thank you Annie for proving my point.

Any comments about should've been kept to this thread, not dragged by another into another thread by someone else. ;-)

Cheers.


Erm... we are IN the "Racist? [yes you are]" thread aren't we? Just asking. That is kind of where my link took us I thought... page two of THIS thread according to my browser - near the bottom. Oh... and you're welcome Wiggo :) although I'm not sure what point I proved :)

but he's complaining about something that happened in another thread on the grounds that you don't drag arguments from one thread to another. Apart from the fact that is exactly what he is doing as you've pointed out Clyde's comments was made in a context that was appropriate to either thread.

Wiggo has tried desperately to insist that the shooting of Michael Brown was not racist. I very strongly believe it was. Gary created this thread to carry on that discussion, so really there is a large overlap between the two threads and the separation is artificial anyway.

However, Wiggo's new rule that you can't bring up something someone uses in an argument elsewhere is obviously ridiculous and seems to me more like an attempt at face saving.
9) Message boards : Politics : It is time..... (Message 1614321)
Posted 4 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
Here is the full episode of question time with Nigel Farage and Russell Brand.

The panel are lack-lustre, but the audience are great. Clearly the British public is still as cynical and outspoken as ever. They know its all a sham and they seem rightfully fed up with the talking heads.

BBC Question Time 11/12/2014 Russell Brand Nigel Farage
10) Message boards : Politics : Racist? [yes you are] (Message 1614314)
Posted 4 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
Mothers Of Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown, Eric Garner, Tamir Rice Speak Together For The First Time

and

Video shows John Crawford's girlfriend aggressively questioned after Ohio police shot him dead in Walmart
11) Message boards : Politics : Racist? [yes you are] (Message 1614306)
Posted 4 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
@Wiggo: Just tidying up a loose end :)
First post on "the subject" in this thread

Thank you Annie for proving my point.

Any comments about should've been kept to this thread, not dragged by another into another thread by someone else. ;-)

Cheers.

Wiggo, just because you feel a certain way it doesn't mean you are right. Seeing as you yourself are complaining about something that happened in another thread, I wonder how seriously you believe that rule anyway. So perhaps you should keep your complaints over there if that is really how you feel?
12) Message boards : Politics : Are you a psychopath? (Message 1614304)
Posted 4 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
Richard Dawkins did more harm to the cause of science when he started yapping about Atheism and going after Christian fundamentalists than good.

What harm Dawkins did, please be more specific?

His rather blunt approach only further polarized the debate.


Hi Мишель :)

His "rather blunt approach" came after years of being the only scientist prepared to discuss the issue of evolution face to face with panels of often very hostile religious groups. They are the ones that brought up his atheism. Having read all his books (out of order) and then having read them in the order he wrote them and seeing most if not all of his television appearances, I now have a much better understanding of how and why he has become as blunt as he has. He defends the scientific approach (not a bad thing in my opinion) and like many atheists, is left deflecting accusations of being evil personified in the eyes of some religious groups. I have had this discussion with the religious members of my family who are horrified to find Dawkins on my bookshelves :) I have read their religious books - yet they have not read any of Dawkins's material - and yet still they are "experts on his evil"

Religions have had their own share of psychopaths - yet often fail to recognise that. To listen to many of them - Dawkins belongs to a whole group of them.

With regards polarisation leading to shouting matches... that usually occurs when irrefutably painful truths do NOT want to be accepted for what they are. You can't blame Dawkins for that. There will always be those who will bluster at you about "mysterious ways" when you ask them to explain why their god created something like the Lancet liver fluke or the Apocephalus borealis (zombie fly) and who deny that a better explanation is that it evolved to exploit a particular niche in nature. I for one am looking forward to Richard Dawkins's next book :) I hope one day I will be able to persuade my religious relatives to read one too. My sister has expressed an interest in doing so... but her husband has forbidden her. I think he's afraid :)

apologies to ES for going a tad off topic

edit: apologies too for being a little behind in my post - I see the thread has been busy and the topic has advanced somewhat :)

no worries anniet. I tend to let things wander in my threads if the discussion is interesting, and I am quite sure there are links to psychopathy and religion anyway.

We went to see Exodus: Gods and Kings yesterday. It mostly followed the bible version and I have to say that God came over as a complete jerk. I noticed the same with the Noah movie.

Of course reading the old testament went a long way to making realise that I wanted nothing to do with this nasty god.

I also understand both views of Dawkins. I haven't seen him as being radical in his writings, I have however seen him portrayed that way in the media and sometimes things he says are taken out of context. I am glad that atheists are fighting back though. In the end it is a positive thing if we don't assume that being religious is somehow the norm and how everyone should be.
13) Message boards : Politics : Racist? [yes you are] (Message 1614234)
Posted 4 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
In an interview with the DN newspaper that was published on Sunday the Sweden Democrats party secretary Björn Söder said that Jews and Sami are not considered to be Swedish if they are not assimilated!
For heavens sake Sami and Jews have lived in Sweden for generations.
Especially Sami who lived here long before the swedes came to Sweden thousand of years ago.
It's like saying that native americans are not americans and should be assimilated.

Racism are increasing in Europe and it start to smell like the 1930's.

What does he mean by 'Assimilate'.

Smells very, very, bad.

Agreed.
14) Message boards : Politics : Racist? [yes you are] (Message 1614095)
Posted 4 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
Racist? [yes you are]

Well actually, no I'm not.

Extremely unlikely. I'm sure ES99 will be able to identify hundreds of ways you are, which you don't even realize exist.

Well :) out of curiosity, and to save Es some time, I took the "Race (Black People White People IAT)" test... and am apparently in the six percent of people who have a "Slight automatic preference for Black people compared to White people". Didn't surprise me an awful lot given where I spent my formative years and with whom, and how the only people who ever hurt me or made me afraid were "my own kind" (for want of a better phrase). Does that make me racist Gary? :) I'll let you decide :)

I then took the Skin-tone (Light Skin-Dark Skin IAT) and apparently am in the 17% of people who show "Little to no automatic preference" to the shade of someone's skin.

There are loads of other tests on all sorts of topics regarding prejudice or bias so I will be pottering amongst them over the next few days to see what more I can learn about me :) but first I am going to do this one:

The University of Chicago Shooter Test will see your likelihood of shooting someone who could be pulling out a cellphone or a gun, depending on what race they are. Another interesting test.

...if I EVER get the page to load that is. It's just a flight of fancy as I have never owned a gun, nor will I ever shoot one :)

Oh and for those who are interested, there's a mobile phone app in the form of a game played over seven days that gives you the opportunity to role play everyday racism. I might give that a go too :)

Now... I just need to find a test to see how much more I prefer animals (of all kinds) to humans :)

@Wiggo: Just tidying up a loose end :)
First post on "the subject" in this thread

@Es - my apologies for not finding it earlier (and for only mentioning that it had cropped up elsewhere - which it has)

Appreciate the detective work. Also interested in the tests you have been doing. I am quite sure upbringing has a lot to do with it. I still remember the first black person I saw when I was a child, how very strange and very different it was. I am not sure how I would do on such a test as yours as I initially grew up in a very white area.
15) Message boards : Politics : It is time..... (Message 1613938)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
attacking one group of people who are probably one of the more vulnerable groups and laying blame for the ills of the country at their feet does though. Which is what Enoch and his ilk do.

The country has gone to the dogs because it has been mismanaged. Not because of immigration. A global recession was caused because of deregulation of the banks based on free market ideology. Not because of immigrants.

The recession in Britain was made worse because a certain group of elites seized power and used "austerity" to roll back all the social programs that supported the economy and the middle class. The problems in Britain were not because of immigration. In fact with an ageing population you need immigrants. If the problem is with integration then you need to support integration. Which somehow I really doubt the likes of Enoch Powell and Farage do.

Good post, really it is. However, you've missed the most important point that was stated here: - Unbridled immigration.

Most other countries allow immigration but it is controlled to a decent degree. This country has no controls in place.

I cannot see any reference from any post that attacks immigrants, so your statement of fascism is insulting, not only to the natives of this country, but also the immigrants here who are saying exactly the same thing, & there are many doing so.

I was talking about Enoch Powell. Here is his speech. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/3643826/Enoch-Powells-Rivers-of-Blood-speech.html Its a long rant about how he is scared of being outnumbered by people who aren't like him. He goes on to attack black people (noisy dirty and loud) and Sikh's (with weird religious rites).

You try to tell me that's not racist and that you support a man who said these things and I will think you are supporting fascism. Its up to you to then explain to me how you can support him and not be supporting his beliefs. I don't get it. If you think uncontrolled immigration is a problem because of ... and then you quote Enoch Powell I am going to strongly suspect your reasons for not wanting people of different races in the country.
16) Message boards : Politics : It is time..... (Message 1613927)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
Are people actually defending Enoch Powell in this thread? I thought it was horrible enough that people were defending torture and avoided this thread because I didn't want to lose total faith in humanity.

Well that's done it. I didn't actually think Britain had slid so far along the road to fascism that people would publicly defend Enoch Powell.


ES, Immigration without integration is the problem here and not just for the
UK either. Immigration can work wonders for a country but without full
integration we end up getting separation, and it's this separation that breeds
racism.

So is that the immigrants fault? Does attacking the immigrants help integration or make it harder?

Be careful what you say, because I am an immigrant.

As am I & often stood up for this country. That does not make me a fascist!

attacking one group of people who are probably one of the more vulnerable groups and laying blame for the ills of the country at their feet does though. Which is what Enoch and his ilk do.

The country has gone to the dogs because it has been mismanaged. Not because of immigration. A global recession was caused because of deregulation of the banks based on free market ideology. Not because of immigrants.

The recession in Britain was made worse because a certain group of elites seized power and used "austerity" to roll back all the social programs that supported the economy and the middle class. The problems in Britain were not because of immigration. In fact with an ageing population you need immigrants. If the problem is with integration then you need to support integration. Which somehow I really doubt the likes of Enoch Powell and Farage do.
17) Message boards : Politics : It is time..... (Message 1613925)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
Are people actually defending Enoch Powell in this thread? I thought it was horrible enough that people were defending torture and avoided this thread because I didn't want to lose total faith in humanity.

Well that's done it. I didn't actually think Britain had slid so far along the road to fascism that people would publicly defend Enoch Powell.


ES, Immigration without integration is the problem here and not just for the
UK either. Immigration can work wonders for a country but without full
integration we end up getting separation, and it's this separation that breeds
racism.

So is that the immigrants fault? Does attacking the immigrants help integration or make it harder?

Be careful what you say, because I am an immigrant.
18) Message boards : Politics : It is time..... (Message 1613920)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
Are people actually defending Enoch Powell in this thread? I thought it was horrible enough that people were defending torture and avoided this thread because I didn't want to lose total faith in humanity.

Well that's done it. I didn't actually think Britain had slid so far along the road to fascism that people would publicly defend Enoch Powell.
19) Message boards : Politics : Racist? [yes you are] (Message 1613913)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
...

Just a note: 'Another' in this Thread, and I, have had many heated discussions. But understood what was not allowed, and what was disgusting.

...

Are you kidding me? You've called me so many names in this forum I've lost track. You've even done it in this thread. Now you persist in this fantasy of "you insulted my family" as if we were in the school yard.

I don't know why I waste my time talking to you.

Es99...

Again incorrect. You are making a habit of this.

Wasn't speaking about you. Why would you believe that?

Clyde, I am beginning to wonder if you actually read posts before replying.
20) Message boards : Politics : Against ALL women - Infanticide, Slavery, Rape, Trafficking... (#2) (Message 1613910)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
Just amazing what some men think up when in power...

Just wth has virginity to do with serving as a police officer?

There are so many disgusting attempts around the world to control women. I read an article about what ISIS is doing that was so bad I couldn't even face putting it here. I also wanted to be sure it was true because it was so horrible before spreading it around.

Women must ever be vigilant to ensure that we aren't pushed back and lose all the gains we have made. Until we have an equal say in the halls of power I don't think we are truly safe.


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