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1) Message boards : Politics : Cannabis use & Smoking (Message 1590429)
Posted 2 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor


Of course the entire concept of expecting children to sit still at their desks of 5 hours a day is idiotic. So its no surprise that quite a few of them struggle with this unnatural situation.

Oh my word, no way Hosea am I having any of that!!! I did it, your mum did it, you probably did it. Is any one of us a disturbed personality because of it?

As an overly bright child I did not have a happy school experience. Especially in primary school. I certainly had trouble sitting still, bored for hours on end. I am sure my old teachers can vouch for that. I did not like school. Its one of life's ironys that I ended up a teacher, but I do try to make sure my students do not suffer the way I did.

What it did do for 2.5 hours in the morning and 2.5 hours in the afternoon, is actually educate us, and teach us to accept certain parameters of life that just had to be.

I learned more on my own than I ever learned at school. I did learn how to put up with idiots and stand up for myself...but academically, it was pretty much a waste of time and I skipped class an awful lot. Luckily back then all assessment was exam based so I was just fine.

As an avowed left winger, perhaps you would prefer to advocate this sort of approach to education. Liverpool

One of my friend's daughter's was educated in a Free School (no fixed curriculum and totally child centred). She has grown in a remarkable, self assured woman. I suspect it wouldn't work for every child, but for some it is better than the regular school.

We went to school in the 50's because we knew we had to, were expected to, and our parents made sure that we did so. And there were proper School Inspectors in those days that made sure it happened. We didn't quote Human rights when a teacher threw a wooden backed board rubber at us for not paying attention, we didn't sue teachers for assault because we got the slipper on our backside for talking in class. And neither did we fall out of school unemployable either.

I am glad your school experience was satisfactory for you. You also had more PE time scheduled back then that schools do know, so I suspect you got to run about more rather than spending so much time stuck at a desk trying to meet targets. I was lucky that he left wing schooling I went through was able to be flexible to my needs and the school let me just get on with it when I refused to read the silly books they wanted me to for English and let me pick my own (much more difficult) literature. I doubt they would have done that in your day. Of course in the golden age you are talking about I wouldn't have been allowed to study science at all and would have been forced to do something like typing instead. Thank goodness things have improved since you were at school.

Anyway, you clearly know very little about what school was like for me or what sort of student I was. I still struggle in sitting in classes or lectures that are too long and sometimes have to leave. I am not ADHD, I have a normal reaction to unnatural situations.

So please don't claim that because it was ok for you that it was ok for everyone.
2) Message boards : Politics : Cannabis use & Smoking (Message 1590426)
Posted 2 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
The poor behaviour you describe often has more to do with poor diet and children staying up very late playing video games.

Leave games out of this would you? Video games, thanks to the incessant blabbering of the media about the supposed negative effects is one of the most controlled activities by parents. The vast majority of parents are either present when the kids are playing games or have strict time limits on how much their kids are allowed to play games.

Really? And how many classrooms have you stood in looking at the pale faces with dark circles under their eyes and hearing about how they've been up until 4am playing video games? Do tell. The kids get addicted and in some schools it was so bad that the parents were asked not to allow the kids to have TVs or game systems in their bedrooms.

Besides a poor diet and absent parents are generally symptoms of a much bigger problem, namely poverty.

Don't disagree. Whatever the cause, labelling as ADHD is not the solution.
3) Message boards : Politics : You go Canada! (Message 1590424)
Posted 2 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
Cpl. Nathan Cirillo, reservist from Hamilton, killed in Ottawa shooting
4) Message boards : Politics : Against ALL women - Infanticide, Slavery, Rape, Trafficking... (Message 1590419)
Posted 2 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
Anther victim of gamergate: I Was Forced From My Home and Am Living In Constant Fear Because of Relentless Death Threats From Male GamersOf course there is always someone who will claim its a publicity stunt. I think I know exactly where to place people like that in this debate.
Why in God's name do women even consider to busy themselves with people like that? Shouldn't she know better? Shouldn't all women know better? Why does she get those death threats? Why haven't I never gotten one from scum like that? I stay the Hell away from people like that!!
I am the Godzilla of bitches. I have a backbone of pure adamantium
She said it herself.... And those 'gamers' probably know she thinks that way about herself.The further you go with people like that, the further they go to be the 'winner' or rather 'dominater' Stay away from those people, you silly woman, I'd say.
Wow, Julie. I am so disappointed to hear you say this.Of course you don't get these threats as long as you remember your place and stay in the roles you are supposed to stay in.I think I've already pointed out that I've been on the receiving end of threats here, on this very forum. Are you suggesting that I should have just quit and let the boys keep their little play room? If I had I can assure you 100% that you wouldn't enjoy posting here as much as you do. I know you know some of the things that have been messaged to the ladies her on seti by a minority of guys. Its pretty unpleasant and disgusting. Well it wasn't so long ago that those things were posted publicly to any ladies that dared post here on seti. It wasn't so long ago that any lady who dared complain was told to "stay away from these people, you silly woman". Its thanks to people like me that you don't have to put up with that crap here on seti any more.You're welcome.Women should be allowed to design and make video games without getting death threats. That you somehow think she should have quit her job and stayed quiet to avoid the threats is quite shameful.Women should be allowed to post safely on a science based computing forum such as seti without suffering the same fate.
I was a SQUATTER Esmé, I roamed the street at night all alone with my dog, NOBODY bothered me. I even slept on the streets of Paris, alone. I never had to block ANYONE here at Seti and I don't think I have to thank you for that Es, to be honest. I've been here since 2009, I've seen things happen and change here, I'm not some dumb girl Esmé. The woman in the article just attracts people like that is what I think.
RIGHT. You've been here since 2009 which is when things finally started to change. I am so glad that me "attracting people like that" by speaking out helped make your experience on seti so much better that mine was.You can think what you want, Julie, and you can say what you want, and I bet you feel pretty safe right now and don't assume that someone is going to track down where you live and threaten your family because you are saying what you think. Which is what happened here on a regular basis before 2009.

So again. You're welcome. I am so glad you haven't had to block anyone on seti. I am so glad that you didn't have to go through what I did. I am so glad that what I went through wasn't for nothing.

I hope anyone who has daughters is supporting this woman 100% for trying to make life better for the next generation. I have a niece right now at university training to go into this field and I am genuinely worried for her. I am grateful to any woman who has the guts to stand up to this disgusting behaviour. We should be applauding her, not judging her.



I don't think you quite well understood my post Es. I've been in the lion's hole (Dutch saying) I've met the scum, but really, the SCUM of the earth, in REAL life, LIVE as they say on TV. I've seen people with guns and knives, do you think they came to me and threaten me, nope... And I was quite the figure in the squat scene, believe me. If I'd support this woman in front of Lisa, I would admit women are weak, and can't stand up against men, well, good news, YES, WE CAN! Mentally AND physically, but the mental part is our biggest asset.

cfr. the title of the article, very eye-catching, something Lisa would see instantly: I was forced... Nobody should force you to do anything girl! I'd say to her:)

I too have come across my fair share of scum in real life. That is a different sort of problem than the one that comes from people being about to hide anonymously behind a screen name.

I've been threatened to my face and threatened by unknown people on the internet. At least you know who to hold accountable when they are standing in right in front of you. Both types of behaviour are disgusting, but the effects of online harassment are pretty nasty.
5) Message boards : Politics : Against ALL women - Infanticide, Slavery, Rape, Trafficking... (Message 1590417)
Posted 2 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
Anther victim of gamergate: I Was Forced From My Home and Am Living In Constant Fear Because of Relentless Death Threats From Male Gamers

Of course there is always someone who will claim its a publicity stunt. I think I know exactly where to place people like that in this debate.


Es99,
Let me start by repeating my statement about 'sexism' in games. It exists. I know it exists. I have SEEN it happen, in the form of unwanted 'advances' (to use a term of politeness that is perhaps unwarranted). My own wife has been a victim of this when she started to play WoW years ago. Thankfully, these games have rather strict prohibitions on such conduct, with well defined mechanisms in place for reporting it (as well as other forms of harassment and abuse). They DO have penalties in place for such behavior, up to and including permanent banishment from the game. I know such systems are not perfect, but it is incumbent on each and every woman victimized to REPORT IT.

I really am not sure what you think happens when a woman reports it.

For example my complaints to seti ended up with me being banned multiple times.
Not so long ago there was some trouble on another game I play where I and the other female players were repeatedly threatened with domestic violence images and jokes. The admin did nothing.
The police when I reported the problems here did very little.
In fact, when my ex partner sent me actual texts threatening to come over and cut me up the police did nothing. I was supposed to wait until he actually turned up to do it before they would act.

So again. Tell me what reporting it does if the people you are reporting to don't see or understand the problem. The only way we can get the problem understood and heard is by standing up and being a b*tch about it. Nothing else seems to work.

Another form of abuse/mistreatment of women in these games concerns the game artwork. Disproportionately large breasts on the female characters combined with rather scanty 'attire' promotes the 'objectification' of women as only sexual objects. I am against this, rather strongly.

In one of my favorite MMO games, the lead artist is female, a fact perhaps not widely known by much of the male player base. Female character models had realistic proportions, and the clothing was respectful. Certain 'members' (pun intended) of the male player-base started agitating for the female character models to feature larger breasts.

An update to the character models was announced. These male members were overjoyed. Then the update happened. These male members were dismayed. My friends in the game (both genders) thought it was extremely funny. The female character models were NOT changed. The male ones WERE. The male characters now looked like they were wearing diapers under their pants/armor. ROFL.

It got reverted after a couple of weeks, but it was over a YEAR before the 'big b**bies' crowd reared its ugly head again.

I repeat, harassment of others is WRONG, no matter the genders involved, and can possibly be a crime, depending on the jurisdiction and circumstances.

I am aware of the issues when it comes to game design..and all these woman have done is say exactly as you have said. That is all. They pointed out what the problem is and were inundated with a hate campaign. I am quite sure I have some idea of the things your wife had to deal with. Here and on other online sites where men consider themselves dominant I have received multiple requests for nude pictures amongst other things.


Death threats are illegal.

Yes they are. However getting the police to do something about it isn't always easy and these people know that. Especially as us victims are often told that they police cannot do anything until the threats have actually been made real. Of course then it is too late.

I remember the thread you mentioned a few posts back. I didn't approve of it, but seeing as how it got permitted for so long, I didn't see much that could be done about it here.

It was sexist. Obviously so. I paid a heavy price for merely pointing it out.

But an identical situation happened on another S@H-related board, one that I was the ADMIN of. A few of the posters there, perhaps inspired by the thread here, decided it would be a fun thing to post rather degrading images of scantily clad (and even down right nekkid) women. Unencumbered by the 1st Amendment considerations (free speech) that might apply here (the server was privately owned by a friend of mine, and the internet connection was through the company he owned), I immediately did NOT allow it. First I hid the offending posts, and delivered a stern warning. Then I had to start using the ban-hammer, especially after one of them got the idea to place the images not in his posts, but in his forum sig.

Yes, I did was liberally insulted over it. I got called almost every bad name in the book. Yes, I did receive threats over it. Yes, one threat was so bad (my death, as well as that of my family) that I reported it to the police in the perp's home town. But I didn't back down. The no-pics of that sort rule stuck. But, after the brouhaha died down, I did resign the position about a year later, publicly citing 'family issues'. I did not need the stress.

Yes. I know the feeling. Threats(such as having your name and address posted all over BOINC and videos posted on you tube of your head posted on a naked body being cut up) are very stressful. I also noticed at the time the people who did this mainly picked on those they saw as being inferior such as women or homosexuals.

As to the Anita Sarkeesian incident previously discussed, I never said she was wrong on her statements about the rampant sexism in games. She isn't wrong about that.

But I still smell 'publicity stunt' on that incident. That takes NOTHING away from the validity of her point, and indeed it is a masterstroke of genius. It has provided WAY more media exposure for her cause than just giving the talk would have, not to mention being some rather strong ammo against that particular law in Utah. I am not sure of the... wisdom... of that law in Utah, but it is for the People of Utah to decide.

The things that have been done to her go way beyond this one incident. She has been terrorised for quite some time.

The one threat that USU received by email was investigated by both the local Police and the FBI. They found the additional security that USU had arranged for the talk to be sufficient to counter the level and the credibility of the threats against her speech. She then requested that USU take a measure that would have violated Utah law. When they refused to break the law, she pulled out of the talk.

You say this as if she had a choice. This talk was at a university where young people are. She did absolutely the right thing in putting them first. The laws in Utah about guns obviously need to be overhauled if there is nothing to be done to make sure they are not allowed on a campus with vulnerable people. We aren't talking about a hunting range here or someone protecting their own home. There is no credible reason why someone would and should be allowed to carry a gun on a University Campus. Especially at a time when such a credible threat has been made. Putting her own safety at risk is one thing. Putting the safety of 100s of young people at risk is something else entirely. She had no choice.

As to Brianna Wu's article that you linked, a couple of observations from reading it, if you don't mind.

First, her use of the b-word, once in her first paragraph. I don't know about you, but the two women I know the best (my Wife, and my Mother) are both greatly offended by that word.

Perhaps I should forward some of the emails sent to me over the years here. That might put things in perspective. The b-word is very mild compared to some names I have been called.

Second, in her last paragraph... well I will quote it.

Gamergate, I have one message for you so listen up: When you take your last dying breath, I want you to know this. It was an absolute pleasure knocking you on your a** [naughty word edited by me] for the fine women in this field.


I have a question for you Es99...

How is it Ok for Ms. Brianna Wu to use a term of derision towards women and deliver a death threat, when that is precisely what she is complaining about from other people?

I am not seeing the death threat. Can you point it out?
6) Message boards : Politics : Against ALL women - Infanticide, Slavery, Rape, Trafficking... (Message 1590301)
Posted 2 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
Anther victim of gamergate: I Was Forced From My Home and Am Living In Constant Fear Because of Relentless Death Threats From Male Gamers

Of course there is always someone who will claim its a publicity stunt. I think I know exactly where to place people like that in this debate.



Why in God's name do women even consider to busy themselves with people like that? Shouldn't she know better? Shouldn't all women know better? Why does she get those death threats? Why haven't I never gotten one from scum like that? I stay the Hell away from people like that!!

I am the Godzilla of bitches. I have a backbone of pure adamantium


She said it herself.... And those 'gamers' probably know she thinks that way about herself.

The further you go with people like that, the further they go to be the 'winner' or rather 'dominater'

Stay away from those people, you silly woman, I'd say.

Wow, Julie. I am so disappointed to hear you say this.

Of course you don't get these threats as long as you remember your place and stay in the roles you are supposed to stay in.

I think I've already pointed out that I've been on the receiving end of threats here, on this very forum. Are you suggesting that I should have just quit and let the boys keep their little play room? If I had I can assure you 100% that you wouldn't enjoy posting here as much as you do. I know you know some of the things that have been messaged to the ladies her on seti by a minority of guys. Its pretty unpleasant and disgusting. Well it wasn't so long ago that those things were posted publicly to any ladies that dared post here on seti. It wasn't so long ago that any lady who dared complain was told to "stay away from these people, you silly woman". Its thanks to people like me that you don't have to put up with that crap here on seti any more.

You're welcome.

Women should be allowed to design and make video games without getting death threats. That you somehow think she should have quit her job and stayed quiet to avoid the threats is quite shameful.

Women should be allowed to post safely on a science based computing forum such as seti without suffering the same fate.



I was a SQUATTER Esmé, I roamed the street at night all alone with my dog, NOBODY bothered me. I even slept on the streets of Paris, alone. I never had to block ANYONE here at Seti and I don't think I have to thank you for that Es, to be honest. I've been here since 2009, I've seen things happen and change here, I'm not some dumb girl Esmé. The woman in the article just attracts people like that is what I think.

RIGHT. You've been here since 2009 which is when things finally started to change. I am so glad that me "attracting people like that" by speaking out helped make your experience on seti so much better that mine was.

You can think what you want, Julie, and you can say what you want, and I bet you feel pretty safe right now and don't assume that someone is going to track down where you live and threaten your family because you are saying what you think. Which is what happened here on a regular basis before 2009.

So again. You're welcome. I am so glad you haven't had to block anyone on seti. I am so glad that you didn't have to go through what I did. I am so glad that what I went through wasn't for nothing.

I hope anyone who has daughters is supporting this woman 100% for trying to make life better for the next generation. I have a niece right now at university training to go into this field and I am genuinely worried for her. I am grateful to any woman who has the guts to stand up to this disgusting behaviour. We should be applauding her, not judging her.
7) Message boards : Politics : Against ALL women - Infanticide, Slavery, Rape, Trafficking... (Message 1590293)
Posted 2 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
The woman in the article just attracts people like that is what I think.

She attracts them by the virtue of being a female game developer who uses twitter. Thats all it takes to get this kind of vile treatment. If she wants to avoid people like that, its like Es said, she would have to keep quiet, not be allowed to speak out.

I think its extremely brave of her to stand up to trolls like that. Seriously, F those guys who ruin gaming with their toxic trolling behavior. F them for wanting to make gaming some kind of male only space that exclusively caters to their extremely one sided idea of 'fun games'. But most importantly, F them for acting like such horrible human beings.

+1
8) Message boards : Politics : You go Canada! (Message 1590275)
Posted 2 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
Still, it is good to hear the sounds of Joual again spoken on TV.
Our condolences go out to the family of that service man who
lost his life on duty to-day in Ottawa.

+1
9) Message boards : Politics : You go Canada! (Message 1590274)
Posted 2 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
We don't even know who is behind this yet.

If it is Jihadist's:

The ending is coming nearer and nearer.

Note: NO ONE is say their Idea's will end. The NAZI's Idea's have never, nor will ever, end.

Just the Jihadist's feeling They May Win. That is what has been driving their movement since the '70s.

It doesn't sound like its Jihadists.

However, we haven't been told who the shooter is yet, so we'll know more about the motives then.
10) Message boards : Politics : Against ALL women - Infanticide, Slavery, Rape, Trafficking... (Message 1590272)
Posted 2 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
Anther victim of gamergate: I Was Forced From My Home and Am Living In Constant Fear Because of Relentless Death Threats From Male Gamers

Of course there is always someone who will claim its a publicity stunt. I think I know exactly where to place people like that in this debate.



Why in God's name do women even consider to busy themselves with people like that? Shouldn't she know better? Shouldn't all women know better? Why does she get those death threats? Why haven't I never gotten one from scum like that? I stay the Hell away from people like that!!

I am the Godzilla of bitches. I have a backbone of pure adamantium


She said it herself.... And those 'gamers' probably know she thinks that way about herself.

The further you go with people like that, the further they go to be the 'winner' or rather 'dominater'

Stay away from those people, you silly woman, I'd say.

Wow, Julie. I am so disappointed to hear you say this.

Of course you don't get these threats as long as you remember your place and stay in the roles you are supposed to stay in.

I think I've already pointed out that I've been on the receiving end of threats here, on this very forum. Are you suggesting that I should have just quit and let the boys keep their little play room? If I had I can assure you 100% that you wouldn't enjoy posting here as much as you do. I know you know some of the things that have been messaged to the ladies her on seti by a minority of guys. Its pretty unpleasant and disgusting. Well it wasn't so long ago that those things were posted publicly to any ladies that dared post here on seti. It wasn't so long ago that any lady who dared complain was told to "stay away from these people, you silly woman". Its thanks to people like me that you don't have to put up with that crap here on seti any more.

You're welcome.

Women should be allowed to design and make video games without getting death threats. That you somehow think she should have quit her job and stayed quiet to avoid the threats is quite shameful.

Women should be allowed to post safely on a science based computing forum such as seti without suffering the same fate.
11) Message boards : Politics : Double standard on violence (Message 1590204)
Posted 2 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
Anecdotal evidence like this is hardly compelling proof of anything. You know better than this Gary.

I think what is very telling is that events like this are so incredibly rare here.

An attack on Canadian parliament like this has never happened before, yet how many attacks have we been hearing about on Obama just recently?
12) Message boards : Politics : You go Canada! (Message 1590200)
Posted 2 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
We don't even know who is behind this yet.
13) Message boards : Politics : Cannabis use & Smoking (Message 1590199)
Posted 2 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
Chris, look up Methylphenidate

I did.

Methylphenidate (trade names Concerta, Methylin, Ritalin, Equasym XL, Quillivant XR) is a substituted phenethylamine and psychostimulant drug used for the treatment of attention-deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD), postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome and narcolepsy. Methylphenidate has been studied and researched for over 50 years and has a very good efficacy and safety record for the treatment of ADHD. The original patent was owned by CIBA, now Novartis Corporation. It was first licensed by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in 1955 for treating what was then known as hyperactivity. Prescribed to patients beginning in 1960, the drug became heavily prescribed in the 1990s, when the diagnosis of ADHD itself became more widely accepted.


We are straying away a bit from the base subject here of whether the use of Cannabis should be de-criminalised and made legal, and society's general attidude to it. But I can remember back to the 50's there was always the class joker who would rather throw blotting paper balls than do the lesson, and the class duffer who tried but couldn't learn. These days we would recognise that as probably ADHD and Dyslexia or Alexia. But if you have to bring up a child with ADHD it is almost impossible without medical assistance.

Perhaps a better question to be asked is whether the incidence of ADHD is growing, and if so why? Better diagnosis or on occasions just some plain naughty kids where it is just easier to class them as "special needs", and drug them to keep them quiet.

ADHD is over diagnosed at the moment. The poor behaviour you describe often has more to do with poor diet and children staying up very late playing video games. Of course the entire concept of expecting children to sit still at their desks of 5 hours a day is idiotic. So its no surprise that quite a few of them struggle with this unnatural situation.

ADHD is real, but once you meet a kid with ADHD there is no doubt that they have an actual problem. Simply throwing blotting paper balls is not a symptom of anything more than being bored.
14) Message boards : Politics : Against ALL women - Infanticide, Slavery, Rape, Trafficking... (Message 1590195)
Posted 2 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
Anther victim of gamergate: I Was Forced From My Home and Am Living In Constant Fear Because of Relentless Death Threats From Male Gamers

Of course there is always someone who will claim its a publicity stunt. I think I know exactly where to place people like that in this debate.
15) Message boards : Politics : The reassertion of whiteness in Canada (Message 1589549)
Posted 3 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
People need to stop taking offence for the sake of being outraged FFS. You can't call a person this that or the other...GET A LIFE PEOPLE is my answer to all this racism nonsense.

All humans are racist to one degree or another, its a simple fact, get over it. Does this mean we should treat different groups differently, absolutely not, but lets just accept the inherent failings of man as a species and move on for christs sake.

As far as I am concerned we are all HUMAN and then your nationality should be strictly dictated by the your nation of birth (assuming your parents were in the country legally and not committing a crime).

Ban Religion, who needs an outdated iron age sky demon myth, and then the real escuses for war come to the for and are thus easier to deal with and perhaps prevent (highly unlikely)

I have seen real depravity in this world, I have seen things that I hope 10 generations never get to see, but as a realist I know these events will continue, and the reason is because people take offense at the slightest thing.

I have been the "victim" of racism and I am white, although as a 6ft 4" 256Ib ex Para it is few and far between and usually when I am here in England and not some third world crap hole where people usually have a better understanding of mutual respect. Do I take offence...no, because I understand that we are all racists and all humans, when looking to insult or belittle another will always use the grossest of insults...THE KEY IS TO NOT RESPOND

I was called a bastard only a few days ago by some donkey who can't drive..I pointed out that my parents were married when I was born..however i then confused the idiot by stating I was not aware of who they were married too at the time!! :)

That's all well and good if racism is restricted to name calling.

However, the black people have a whole deck of cards stacked against them through racism. So there really isn't an equivalence when it comes to victims of racism who are black compared to those who are white.
16) Message boards : Politics : Against ALL women - Infanticide, Slavery, Rape, Trafficking... (Message 1589376)
Posted 4 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
Sorry, I simply have to chime in here.

Even here on seti I was the victim of a similar hate campaign as Anita Sarkeesian was when she started making her videos. What happened to her was way worse (quite probably because the number of people involved was larger, not because the vitriol was any less), but there were startling similarities. The hate campaign started for me when I pointed out that a long running thread was actually very sexist. That is all I did, point it out. I took no further action except voice an opinion. That was enough to start a long running hate campaign that got so out of hand that I did report it to the police.

You and I know the Seti thread you are talking about, and the person behind it. And I also agreed that the thread was wrong, but from an additional angle, that it was also underhand because of the people being highlighted not giving their prior permission. It was quite illuminating to hear from that person that they had full "permission" to run that thread, and I could "procreate elsewhere" if I didn't like it.

BTW. No one believed me either for a long time. Which is also typical of how woman who complain about these things are treated. So I find Gary's attitude depressing, but not surprising.

I was one of your most loyal supporters at the time, and fought at your side when the abhorrent abuse started, and backed you 100% reporting it to the police, who did indeed take action, as we know. But don't forget the accomplice that ditched them big time when the wotsit hit the fan.

Fortunately because of my persistence and the persistence of others, the ethos of the seti forums has changed and is no longer the misogynistic haven it used to be. There is an admin in place who understands these issues and I can post my opinion without getting abusive emails and posts and I don't have to worry that there will be threats made against me and my family just because I dare to voice an opinion on a message board that people don't agree with.

Exactly as it should be, and should have been in the first place. But it has to be said that on-line presence is a mainly male based preserve, whether we like it or not. It is changing, but slowly, and will always be an uphill struggle. But a start has been made here at Seti, and we can show the way forward.

I don't want to go into specifics.

What I will point out is that although there were a couple of ring leaders, a lot of other people joined it and thought it was ok.

The admin at the time did not take it seriously because they did not understand the nature of what was going on. We can learn from Anita Sarkeesian. This behaviour is rife and is a sign of the entitlement that certain people feel towards their dominant position.

It is pervasive and a couple of posters here in this thread are so unexamined in their attitude that they can't see that they are exhibiting the same sort of attitudes.

How easy it is to claim "she did it as a publicity stunt" rather than to examine the horrific and systemic nature of this abuse.
17) Message boards : Politics : Against ALL women - Infanticide, Slavery, Rape, Trafficking... (Message 1589349)
Posted 4 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
These same people, however, in addition to verbally abusing women, do so to other men as well. Especially if the man is a n00b (new to the game, without a clear understanding of how to play it yet).

No, thats the point, they don't do it to men, they do it to n00bs. That is a specific player group which consists of both genders. The thing is, once those n00bs are no longer n00bs the abuse stops, while if the player is a women, the abuse continues regardless of her skill level.

On top of that, the sort of abuse n00bs and women receive is different. While n00bs are just insulted for their perceived ineptitude to play the game 'correctly' women suffer from a much more vicious kind of abuse. They get constantly asked to show their boobs, have sex with other players, get to enjoy the tales of what said players would do them if they met in real life (all of it sexual) and if the women does not respond nicely enough or ends up owning the other player because shes better at the game, they can expect an inbox filled with rape and death threats.

Now I don't approve of abusive behavior by players towards other players, I think its toxic for the community, I have to admit that the kind of abuse most n00bs receive is comparatively benign compared to the kind of abuse women receive.

Having been on the receiving end of abuse on gaming sites I can vouch for this. A lot of women prefer to keep their gender anonymous on gaming sites for obvious reasons. I often do. Unless you point out otherwise it is assumed you are male, much like the seti boards where the default gender is also male. I suspect (and actually know) that there are more female posters here than a lot of you realise. They have good reason for wanting to keep quiet about it.

Even here on seti I was the victim of a similar hate campaign as Anita Sarkeesian was when she started making her videos. What happened to her was way worse (quite probably because the number of people involved was larger, not because the vitriol was any less), but there were startling similarities. The hate campaign started for me when I pointed out that a long running thread was actually very sexist. That is all I did, point it out. I took no further action except voice an opinion. That was enough to start a long running hate campaign that got so out of hand that I did report it to the police.

So I totally believe her as this latest event is just the latest thing that has happened to her.

BTW. No one believed me either for a long time. Which is also typical of how woman who complain about these things are treated. So I find Gary's attitude depressing, but not surprising.

Fortunately because of my persistence and the persistence of others, the ethos of the seti forums has changed and is no longer the misogynistic haven it used to be. There is an admin in place who understands these issues and I can post my opinion without getting abusive emails and posts and I don't have to worry that there will be threats made against me and my family just because I dare to voice an opinion on a message board that people don't agree with.

So do I think the threats where genuine against Anita Sarkeesian? Absolutely. 100%

If it can happen here on seti why on earth is it so implausible that it can't happen on a larger scale elsewhere?
18) Message boards : Politics : Against ALL women - Infanticide, Slavery, Rape, Trafficking... (Message 1589157)
Posted 4 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
"the comments about any article about feminism justify feminism" - Lewis' Law

Anyone taking an absolute position is absolutely wrong.

Anyone who thinks that making death threats against a woman because she is giving a talk about the way women are represented in video games isn't misogyny is absolutely wrong.

You are assuming there was a threat, several of us smell a fifthly publicity stunt.

I've been following the work of this woman long enough to know that what you think reflects very poorly on you right now.
19) Message boards : Politics : Against ALL women - Infanticide, Slavery, Rape, Trafficking... (Message 1589031)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
"the comments about any article about feminism justify feminism" - Lewis' Law

Anyone taking an absolute position is absolutely wrong.

Anyone who thinks that making death threats against a woman because she is giving a talk about the way women are represented in video games isn't misogyny is absolutely wrong.

Luckily everyone seems to have happily ignored that point, one suspects quite wilfully.


Making a death threat against someone is WRONG, no matter what the gender(s) involved.

I question the truthfulness of her claim that death threats against her in this case were made. All we have is her word that they were.

Post a link to the police report where she REPORTED said threats to the police, and I will change my position.

Until then, didn't happen. Publicity stunt.

Yes, I know that women playing computer games do suffer verbal abuse from jerks from time to time. When I see it happen while playing MMORPGs, I usually just enter the offending player on my ignore list. A time or two, it was so dreadfully bad that I reported it to the game staff. They usually take a VERY dim view of it, and frequently it is about the easiest way to get 'permabanned' from the game.

These same people, however, in addition to verbally abusing women, do so to other men as well. Especially if the man is a n00b (new to the game, without a clear understanding of how to play it yet).

Do NOT assume that my objection to that woman's case is misogyny. It isn't.
Your assumption about my statements can be interpreted as misandry, which is just as much 'hate-speech' as misogyny.

The day I try to shut you up with tactics that have a history of being used to shut up men in a most negative way is the day you can call misandry.

Your claims that the woman is only doing it for attention can be filed with many other sexist methods of silencing women who complain about their treatment. Just because you feel so obliviously entitled to use those methods doesn't make them less sexist. It just proves how embedded such behaviour is in the culture.
20) Message boards : Politics : Against ALL women - Infanticide, Slavery, Rape, Trafficking... (Message 1589014)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
"the comments about any article about feminism justify feminism" - Lewis' Law

Anyone taking an absolute position is absolutely wrong.

Anyone who thinks that making death threats against a woman because she is giving a talk about the way women are represented in video games isn't misogyny is absolutely wrong.

Luckily everyone seems to have happily ignored that point, one suspects quite wilfully.


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