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1) Message boards : Politics : Against ALL women - Infanticide, Slavery, Rape, Trafficking... (Message 1594078)
Posted 1 day ago by Profile Es99Project donor
It does give the impression that there are large numbers of men out there who actually hate women and the internet is allowing us to see them now.


Hate women? Nah. They're great baby making factories who should always be diminutive, demur, and know their place. In fact, who let you out of the kitchen? Make me a sammich!









(This post was made with equal parts truth, facts, and pizza. Otherwise known as satire.)



Euch...

Indeed.
2) Message boards : Politics : Against ALL women - Infanticide, Slavery, Rape, Trafficking... (Message 1594002)
Posted 1 day ago by Profile Es99Project donor
Woman receives rape threats after recording 10 hours of harassment in New York
An actor who recorded 10 hours of catcalls and remarks from passersby in New York City has received rape threats in response to a video detailing the harassment, the advocacy group that commissioned the video said on Tuesday.

Unfortunately this does not surprise me. It seems to be the "go to" threat for men who don't like what a woman is saying. It does give the impression that there are large numbers of men out there who actually hate women and the internet is allowing us to see them now.

The video on youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1XGPvbWn0A

Not surprising. I even felt myself going tense with each comment because every time this happens you don't know if its going to escalate into something nastier. I've been called some nasty names and been threatened by men when I've refused to smile or acknowledge them.

On a more cheerful note I did realise that I haven't been receiving those random heavy breathing phonecalls that used to be so popular before called display and better harassment laws.

You remember those ladies? Creepy as sh*t.
3) Message boards : Cafe SETI : WHY (Message 1593641)
Posted 2 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
I've had fantasies about creating a second account - one that could be evil, troll-like, nasty and acerbic beyond belief. Then I realized that those positions had all been filled.

You're welcome.
4) Message boards : Politics : Society's Role in Education (Message 1593098)
Posted 3 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
I really don't think there is much to be gained from singling one person out here. There are plenty of people here that post things that I often find ridiculous and outrageously offensive. There is another group of posters that I sometimes agree with and sometimes disagree with. There are also some who I generally agree with.

What I do find frustrating are those who speak as if their personal experience is somehow more than merely their personal experience. Personal experience is of course valid and we learn about how things affect different people because they tell us their stories.

You then try to put those stories into a context.

I have to agree that personal experience has to be just that and we should not think it applies to others.

I am the same age as Chris, and some of his experiences did not apply to the area where my, very, limited experience of English schools took place. There the problem of trying to get school selection changed once applied was not possible because there were very limited places available at the Grammar schools. For the one year I suffered English schools I was put into a Secondary Modern, because as explained several times, all the Grammar school Places in State and Public* had been taken.
*Public schools in UK are fee paying or scholarship, the public means - the public can attend if they can afford the costs

I must also point out that my sister's school experience was much different than mine, because she is 6 years younger that me and by then all the new comprehensives had been built.
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And on your earlier claim that more girls qualified for grammar than boys, has to say more about school education at that time rather that differences of intelligence between the sexes. Many studies world wide show that there is no measurable difference in intelligence. There were more girls at grammar in that town where I lived, only because there were more girls places available.

The differences measured in the old IQ test, and quoted by many, are actually only small amounts, and the actual figures are more like 50 ± 1 or 2%. And any differences measured because of the way the brain is wired, is probably environmental because they are not seen in the brains of children below the age of 11.

There are differences at that age, and it is a fact that the pass marks where higher for girls than for boys. You can look that up. You can read what ever you want into the reasons that was done, but whatever it was, it clearly wasn't in the girls best interests. Also in a lot of areas there were less places at grammar schools for girls than for boys because of same sex schooling. So your town was probably an anomaly.

*note: my claim is NOT that more girls passed the 11 plus than boys. It is that they had to achieve a higher mark to be allowed to pass. This is a shocking fact and it is no surprise that you have difficulty understanding it.

And ES, you must know that as a woman that has studied maths and science beyond GCSE level, that you are the odd one out.

You are right that I wasn't exactly encouraged to do it...but I think people are aware how stubborn I can be.

Fortunately the times are changing and more girls are going into science and math than before, although the numbers are depressingly low. I have been trying to discover the reasons for this. Some of the research suggests that those girls smart enough to do science and math are also very good at English and the social sciences so they have more choice. Whereas the boys that are good at math and sciences are often not as good in the humanities, so have less choice about where they focus their intelligence.

Also from a young age girls are discouraged from the behaviours that make someone a good scientist such as curiosity and challenging the accepted status quo. These are seen as very negative behaviours for a girl and are quite forcefully squashed early on in life where they might be accepted or encouraged in a boy.

Again, hopefully this is changing, however if you go to a Toys R Us you will see that these gender stereotypes are still being reinforced and certain toys that would encourage scientific curiosity are not being promoted to girls.
5) Message boards : Politics : Society's Role in Education (Message 1592665)
Posted 4 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
I really don't think there is much to be gained from singling one person out here. There are plenty of people here that post things that I often find ridiculous and outrageously offensive. There is another group of posters that I sometimes agree with and sometimes disagree with. There are also some who I generally agree with.

What I do find frustrating are those who speak as if their personal experience is somehow more than merely their personal experience. Personal experience is of course valid and we learn about how things affect different people because they tell us their stories.

You then try to put those stories into a context.
6) Message boards : Politics : Against ALL women - Infanticide, Slavery, Rape, Trafficking... (Message 1592247)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
Is GamerGate About Media Ethics or Harassing Women? Harassment, the Data Shows
7) Message boards : Politics : Are humans born evil? (Message 1592239)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor

No, she isn't, but there are plenty who see her as such, not as a model or an actress.

However in all those 4 points, some feel there is some horrible evil exploitation taking place. I'm not sure why unless they feel that sex is somehow dirty and filthy. We pay to see athletes hit balls. We pay to see magicians make magic. We pay to see actors act. So why is it so damn exploitative evil to see boobs on page 3? Or do they want to see hunks on page 5?

You might want to check back into the education thread about dominant cultures before you assume there is some sort of equality between boobs on page 3 and hunks on page 5.

If we were in an equal society where a woman's worth is not primarily judged on her looks then you might have a point.

However, we are not there, so until the newspaper has as much column space on the actual achievements of women (i.e. their merit as a successful lawyer as opposed to marrying George Cloony) as it does to the achievements of men then the inclusion of a woman as a collection of body parts will have less negative connotations. Until then the page 3 titty page does nothing but perpetuate the evil of objectifying women.

You should take on board your own comments about privilege and remember how insidious it is.
8) Message boards : Politics : Society's Role in Education (Message 1592235)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
Well I don't agree with everyone piling in on Chris, but I do think there needs to be a little more awareness on his part about difference.

Most education systems were originally set up to favour one segment of society and to further the agenda of the ruling segment of society. In most western societies that would be the rich white man. The left wingers have tried to change this so that education can benefit everyone and provide opportunities for all.

There was a heyday in the past if you were a white male. However, being a white male is not the "norm" or the standard we should all be judged by.

So perhaps people should stop and think before making claims about how much better such and such was/is and analyse if it is better for everyone, or just better for you.

Chris if of his generation and his background. A time when it was assumed that the British white way was the best way for everyone. This was a foundation of the way the British Empire was created.

It wasn't a great model however if you were Irish, Scottish, Welsh, poor working class or of colour. I have been doing a lot of academic reading lately on how this view of the "rightness" of the British way of doing things caused so much suffering and horror amongst the Aboriginals in Canada. I've also been able to contrast this with a lot of similar suffering caused to those back at home who were forced under the English regime to adopt the English world view which Chris often espouses without realising it.

So perhaps Chris and Sirius could step back and recognise that their historic backgrounds are causing this antagonism between them. I suspect that there are many in Ireland who do not think that things were better under English occupation. It might be nice if Chris would step back and realise that his attitude, which he takes for granted as being the correct English way, caused immense suffering across the globe and can be considered antagonistic by those of us that recognise it.

The "English way" is not seen as universally benevolent and a little tact in this area might go a long way. I know that I would get less offended if there were some recognition of this.

You have nearly perfectly described the master / servant relationship. A core issue in the thinking on many issues in US politics, where "tradition" is held as sacrosanct. Why screams of racism fly in the US.

Oh, in case there is any mistake, I'm not saying Chris is racist, just that the thought process of privilege is similar.

Racism is one of the ways privilege is expressed. The idea that somehow your culture and world view is superior to others is at the root of a lot of racist and bigoted behaviour. If your culture is the dominant one that gets to set the rules, then quite often that assumption is never challenged.

Chris is a member of the dominant culture in the UK and as such it is hard for him to put himself in the position of those of us who don't benefit from those privileges. This means that an education system that is set up to primarily cater to the needs of the white males will of course seem perfectly adequate if you are a white male. The rest of us will have a totally different experience.

The choice a person can then make is to site the problem either in the people who have a negative experience, or in the system that provides those experiences.

One of those choices supports the status quo, the other is less comfortable.
9) Message boards : Politics : Society's Role in Education (Message 1592192)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
Well I don't agree with everyone piling in on Chris, but I do think there needs to be a little more awareness on his part about difference.

Most education systems were originally set up to favour one segment of society and to further the agenda of the ruling segment of society. In most western societies that would be the rich white man. The left wingers have tried to change this so that education can benefit everyone and provide opportunities for all.

There was a heyday in the past if you were a white male. However, being a white male is not the "norm" or the standard we should all be judged by.

So perhaps people should stop and think before making claims about how much better such and such was/is and analyse if it is better for everyone, or just better for you.

Chris if of his generation and his background. A time when it was assumed that the British white way was the best way for everyone. This was a foundation of the way the British Empire was created.

It wasn't a great model however if you were Irish, Scottish, Welsh, poor working class or of colour. I have been doing a lot of academic reading lately on how this view of the "rightness" of the British way of doing things caused so much suffering and horror amongst the Aboriginals in Canada. I've also been able to contrast this with a lot of similar suffering caused to those back at home who were forced under the English regime to adopt the English world view which Chris often espouses without realising it.

So perhaps Chris and Sirius could step back and recognise that their historic backgrounds are causing this antagonism between them. I suspect that there are many in Ireland who do not think that things were better under English occupation. It might be nice if Chris would step back and realise that his attitude, which he takes for granted as being the correct English way, caused immense suffering across the globe and can be considered antagonistic by those of us that recognise it.

The "English way" is not seen as universally benevolent and a little tact in this area might go a long way. I know that I would get less offended if there were some recognition of this.
10) Message boards : Politics : Society's Role in Education (Message 1592072)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
Well that has put me in my place then hasn't it. Now, I have two options here, either crawl away in disgrace as a non-person or fight back. I will think upon it for a couple of days and then decide.


Chris, you repeatedly insult me then claim that "you've been handbagged".

Do you really think that I just suddenly came up and "handbagged" you as if you were innocently minding your own business?

I guess you are blissfully unaware of how insulting you are sometimes.
11) Message boards : Politics : Society's Role in Education (Message 1591989)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
A post from ES99 in the Cannabis thread

As an overly bright child I did not have a happy school experience

I'm really sorry to hear that, As far as I know most children's experiences were quite OK.

Well as far as I know, may children did not have good school experiences. So I guess we might have to go look at something more than anecdotal evidence on this. From the course I am studying right now, 90% of Aboriginal children have very poor school experiences. So maybe if we break it all down by class, race and gender we could well find that the school system serves some groups better than others.

One of my friend's daughter's was educated in a Free School (no fixed curriculum and totally child centred). She has grown in a remarkable, self assured woman. I suspect it wouldn't work for every child, but for some it is better than the regular school.

Then I am very pleased for her, but I would say that she is most likely in the minority. But yes when it works well for some children it works very well.

Again, you are speaking an opinion based on how you view the world. I however would rather form my opinions based on actual data. I do not know the answer to this, but I am sure there are some research studies on it.

I am glad your school experience was satisfactory for you.

It was OK, I wouldn't say they were the absolute happiest days of my life though. But I was one of those borderline children that peaked a bit too late to take full advantage of the mainstream system at the time. I had a second chance exam at the 11+, borderline again, so had an interview at the LCC County Hall in London as it then was. One of the questions was "add up in your head 17,18,19,18". What they were looking for was the ability to think outside the box, and realise that it was the same as 4x18=72. At age 11? Anyhow I just dipped it again and went to the Secondary Modern. Then I found my feet and passed the 13+ exam and went to a junior Technical School and became an Engineer.

Well obviously some people are quite capable of doing that test at the age of 11. I passed the equivalent of the 11+. However, are you aware that the pass mark was actually higher for girls than for boys to prevent too many girls going to grammar school? This is a fact. You can look it up if you want. This supports my thesis that schools back then were geared more to one segment of the population than another.

I have wondered how my life would have turned out if I had gone to Grammar School instead, probably some boring 9-5 office job. I'm happy enough with the way it turned out, certainly hasn't been boring that is for sure :-)
My friend did not pass the equivalent of the 11+. She now has a Phd. Hard work can get you just as far, if not further than "thinking outside the box". I believe this was the idea behind the comprehensive education system, that everyone should be given an equal chance. I am not sure she would have a Phd if she had been educated under the grammar school system.

You also had more PE time scheduled back then that schools do know, so I suspect you got to run about more rather than spending so much time stuck at a desk trying to meet targets.

Not really, most of us hated the PT/PE lesson, being made to do forward somersaults over the horse and press ups, and jogging around for no good reason that we could see. And what really really pissed us all off big time was the compulsory RI/RE lessons. That was the one thing that looking back on it, I really should have rebelled against. The only one that got off was a lad that had a letter from his mum saying he was Jehovas Witness. We all thought that it was terribly unfair.

I never liked them either, especially as I was very small at school (I didn't grow until I was about 15). However, my point is that at least children were doing more of what they are naturally supposed to do. Move around.

I was lucky that the left wing schooling I went through was able to be flexible to my needs and the school let me just get on with it when I refused to read the silly books they wanted me to for English and let me pick my own (much more difficult) literature. I doubt they would have done that in your day.

Absolutely no way!!! There were set books for each subject which you HAD to use, whether you liked it or not. I'm just wondering if you were just so much a difficult pupil that they just gave up and let you do your own thing for a bit of peace and quiet.

Nope, they just had a slightly more left wing child centred policy than back in your day. I really don't think the saw my as "disruptive" by the time I got to secondary school, especially as I was in an English class where one particular boy would spend all the time wa*king under his desk and another student had a habit of throwing chairs at the teacher. It puts the idea of "disruptive" in perspective, doesn't it?

Of course in the golden age you are talking about I wouldn't have been allowed to study science at all and would have been forced to do something like typing instead. Thank goodness things have improved since you were at school.

In the late 50's at my Secondary school, the girls went off to do Home Economics which was basically cooking, and typing classes, and the boys went off to do woodwork and metalwork. We met up later in class for the general subjects of maths, History & geography. Yes I suppose looking back it was sexist in a sort of way, it was designed to turn out stereotypes i.e. the dutiful little housewife and the breadwinner. But it was the way it was then, everybody was happy with it, and nobody queried it. Germaine Greer and womens lib came later and upset the applecart.

Everyone was happy with it? Seriously? You really were oblivious weren't you? Perhaps you need to read some more woman's literature written by women who went through that experience and actually find out just how happy they were about it.

Anyway, you clearly know very little about what school was like for me or what sort of student I was.

How the heck could I do?? I didn't know you then and didn't experience the generation of schooling that you did. C'mon now do behave!

Why don't you behave, Chris? You make sweeping generalisations about your own experience constantly as if what happened to you is "the norm". From my experience your world outlook is definitely not "the norm" and you need badly to be shaken out of it as it actually does damage to a significant number of people who aren't like you.

I still struggle in sitting in classes or lectures that are too long and sometimes have to leave. I am not ADHD, I have a normal reaction to unnatural situations.

Being totally honest I would say that you do seem to have a short attention span and a certain attitude, but that is not ADHD as it is commonly defined.

You think I have a short attention span?? LMAO? Yeah, I made it through a physics degree and lots of post graduate course because I "have a shot attention span"

Oh Chris, you really do come out with some utter nonsense sometimes.

So please don't claim that because it was ok for you that it was ok for everyone.

It was a fair comment as it was generally meant, i.e to encompass the vast majority. You were apparently in the minority where the established system didn't appear to suit you. I wouldn't have said that what I experienced was the "Golden age", but certainly I believe I got a better education than any kid gets today. There was no such thing at that time as all these off their head educational psychologists with their rubbish ideas. Lets teach phonetics they said, gets kids to read and converse a lot quicker. We can introduce spelling later. There is now a whole generation of adults in their 50's that can't spell for toffee, and never will do due to some cockeyed experiment.

I can't spell very well, but I am a very, very fast reader. My spelling has improved with age and I am still a very, very fast reader. So was the experiment actually a failure? Not for me. I am sorry that you still seem to think everyone should be like you. Most people are not like you, it is a basic fact that the conservative mind often fails to grasp. Hence their love of the "one size fits all" education system.
12) Message boards : Politics : Are humans born evil? (Message 1591980)
Posted 5 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
I'd say that some people are born evil, some people have evil thrust upon them and some good people do evil things.
13) Message boards : Politics : Cannabis use & Smoking (Message 1590429)
Posted 8 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor


Of course the entire concept of expecting children to sit still at their desks of 5 hours a day is idiotic. So its no surprise that quite a few of them struggle with this unnatural situation.

Oh my word, no way Hosea am I having any of that!!! I did it, your mum did it, you probably did it. Is any one of us a disturbed personality because of it?

As an overly bright child I did not have a happy school experience. Especially in primary school. I certainly had trouble sitting still, bored for hours on end. I am sure my old teachers can vouch for that. I did not like school. Its one of life's ironys that I ended up a teacher, but I do try to make sure my students do not suffer the way I did.

What it did do for 2.5 hours in the morning and 2.5 hours in the afternoon, is actually educate us, and teach us to accept certain parameters of life that just had to be.

I learned more on my own than I ever learned at school. I did learn how to put up with idiots and stand up for myself...but academically, it was pretty much a waste of time and I skipped class an awful lot. Luckily back then all assessment was exam based so I was just fine.

As an avowed left winger, perhaps you would prefer to advocate this sort of approach to education. Liverpool

One of my friend's daughter's was educated in a Free School (no fixed curriculum and totally child centred). She has grown in a remarkable, self assured woman. I suspect it wouldn't work for every child, but for some it is better than the regular school.

We went to school in the 50's because we knew we had to, were expected to, and our parents made sure that we did so. And there were proper School Inspectors in those days that made sure it happened. We didn't quote Human rights when a teacher threw a wooden backed board rubber at us for not paying attention, we didn't sue teachers for assault because we got the slipper on our backside for talking in class. And neither did we fall out of school unemployable either.

I am glad your school experience was satisfactory for you. You also had more PE time scheduled back then that schools do know, so I suspect you got to run about more rather than spending so much time stuck at a desk trying to meet targets. I was lucky that he left wing schooling I went through was able to be flexible to my needs and the school let me just get on with it when I refused to read the silly books they wanted me to for English and let me pick my own (much more difficult) literature. I doubt they would have done that in your day. Of course in the golden age you are talking about I wouldn't have been allowed to study science at all and would have been forced to do something like typing instead. Thank goodness things have improved since you were at school.

Anyway, you clearly know very little about what school was like for me or what sort of student I was. I still struggle in sitting in classes or lectures that are too long and sometimes have to leave. I am not ADHD, I have a normal reaction to unnatural situations.

So please don't claim that because it was ok for you that it was ok for everyone.
14) Message boards : Politics : Cannabis use & Smoking (Message 1590426)
Posted 8 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
The poor behaviour you describe often has more to do with poor diet and children staying up very late playing video games.

Leave games out of this would you? Video games, thanks to the incessant blabbering of the media about the supposed negative effects is one of the most controlled activities by parents. The vast majority of parents are either present when the kids are playing games or have strict time limits on how much their kids are allowed to play games.

Really? And how many classrooms have you stood in looking at the pale faces with dark circles under their eyes and hearing about how they've been up until 4am playing video games? Do tell. The kids get addicted and in some schools it was so bad that the parents were asked not to allow the kids to have TVs or game systems in their bedrooms.

Besides a poor diet and absent parents are generally symptoms of a much bigger problem, namely poverty.

Don't disagree. Whatever the cause, labelling as ADHD is not the solution.
15) Message boards : Politics : You go Canada! (Message 1590424)
Posted 8 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
Cpl. Nathan Cirillo, reservist from Hamilton, killed in Ottawa shooting
16) Message boards : Politics : Against ALL women - Infanticide, Slavery, Rape, Trafficking... (Message 1590419)
Posted 8 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
Anther victim of gamergate: I Was Forced From My Home and Am Living In Constant Fear Because of Relentless Death Threats From Male GamersOf course there is always someone who will claim its a publicity stunt. I think I know exactly where to place people like that in this debate.
Why in God's name do women even consider to busy themselves with people like that? Shouldn't she know better? Shouldn't all women know better? Why does she get those death threats? Why haven't I never gotten one from scum like that? I stay the Hell away from people like that!!
I am the Godzilla of bitches. I have a backbone of pure adamantium
She said it herself.... And those 'gamers' probably know she thinks that way about herself.The further you go with people like that, the further they go to be the 'winner' or rather 'dominater' Stay away from those people, you silly woman, I'd say.
Wow, Julie. I am so disappointed to hear you say this.Of course you don't get these threats as long as you remember your place and stay in the roles you are supposed to stay in.I think I've already pointed out that I've been on the receiving end of threats here, on this very forum. Are you suggesting that I should have just quit and let the boys keep their little play room? If I had I can assure you 100% that you wouldn't enjoy posting here as much as you do. I know you know some of the things that have been messaged to the ladies her on seti by a minority of guys. Its pretty unpleasant and disgusting. Well it wasn't so long ago that those things were posted publicly to any ladies that dared post here on seti. It wasn't so long ago that any lady who dared complain was told to "stay away from these people, you silly woman". Its thanks to people like me that you don't have to put up with that crap here on seti any more.You're welcome.Women should be allowed to design and make video games without getting death threats. That you somehow think she should have quit her job and stayed quiet to avoid the threats is quite shameful.Women should be allowed to post safely on a science based computing forum such as seti without suffering the same fate.
I was a SQUATTER Esmé, I roamed the street at night all alone with my dog, NOBODY bothered me. I even slept on the streets of Paris, alone. I never had to block ANYONE here at Seti and I don't think I have to thank you for that Es, to be honest. I've been here since 2009, I've seen things happen and change here, I'm not some dumb girl Esmé. The woman in the article just attracts people like that is what I think.
RIGHT. You've been here since 2009 which is when things finally started to change. I am so glad that me "attracting people like that" by speaking out helped make your experience on seti so much better that mine was.You can think what you want, Julie, and you can say what you want, and I bet you feel pretty safe right now and don't assume that someone is going to track down where you live and threaten your family because you are saying what you think. Which is what happened here on a regular basis before 2009.

So again. You're welcome. I am so glad you haven't had to block anyone on seti. I am so glad that you didn't have to go through what I did. I am so glad that what I went through wasn't for nothing.

I hope anyone who has daughters is supporting this woman 100% for trying to make life better for the next generation. I have a niece right now at university training to go into this field and I am genuinely worried for her. I am grateful to any woman who has the guts to stand up to this disgusting behaviour. We should be applauding her, not judging her.



I don't think you quite well understood my post Es. I've been in the lion's hole (Dutch saying) I've met the scum, but really, the SCUM of the earth, in REAL life, LIVE as they say on TV. I've seen people with guns and knives, do you think they came to me and threaten me, nope... And I was quite the figure in the squat scene, believe me. If I'd support this woman in front of Lisa, I would admit women are weak, and can't stand up against men, well, good news, YES, WE CAN! Mentally AND physically, but the mental part is our biggest asset.

cfr. the title of the article, very eye-catching, something Lisa would see instantly: I was forced... Nobody should force you to do anything girl! I'd say to her:)

I too have come across my fair share of scum in real life. That is a different sort of problem than the one that comes from people being about to hide anonymously behind a screen name.

I've been threatened to my face and threatened by unknown people on the internet. At least you know who to hold accountable when they are standing in right in front of you. Both types of behaviour are disgusting, but the effects of online harassment are pretty nasty.
17) Message boards : Politics : Against ALL women - Infanticide, Slavery, Rape, Trafficking... (Message 1590417)
Posted 8 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
Anther victim of gamergate: I Was Forced From My Home and Am Living In Constant Fear Because of Relentless Death Threats From Male Gamers

Of course there is always someone who will claim its a publicity stunt. I think I know exactly where to place people like that in this debate.


Es99,
Let me start by repeating my statement about 'sexism' in games. It exists. I know it exists. I have SEEN it happen, in the form of unwanted 'advances' (to use a term of politeness that is perhaps unwarranted). My own wife has been a victim of this when she started to play WoW years ago. Thankfully, these games have rather strict prohibitions on such conduct, with well defined mechanisms in place for reporting it (as well as other forms of harassment and abuse). They DO have penalties in place for such behavior, up to and including permanent banishment from the game. I know such systems are not perfect, but it is incumbent on each and every woman victimized to REPORT IT.

I really am not sure what you think happens when a woman reports it.

For example my complaints to seti ended up with me being banned multiple times.
Not so long ago there was some trouble on another game I play where I and the other female players were repeatedly threatened with domestic violence images and jokes. The admin did nothing.
The police when I reported the problems here did very little.
In fact, when my ex partner sent me actual texts threatening to come over and cut me up the police did nothing. I was supposed to wait until he actually turned up to do it before they would act.

So again. Tell me what reporting it does if the people you are reporting to don't see or understand the problem. The only way we can get the problem understood and heard is by standing up and being a b*tch about it. Nothing else seems to work.

Another form of abuse/mistreatment of women in these games concerns the game artwork. Disproportionately large breasts on the female characters combined with rather scanty 'attire' promotes the 'objectification' of women as only sexual objects. I am against this, rather strongly.

In one of my favorite MMO games, the lead artist is female, a fact perhaps not widely known by much of the male player base. Female character models had realistic proportions, and the clothing was respectful. Certain 'members' (pun intended) of the male player-base started agitating for the female character models to feature larger breasts.

An update to the character models was announced. These male members were overjoyed. Then the update happened. These male members were dismayed. My friends in the game (both genders) thought it was extremely funny. The female character models were NOT changed. The male ones WERE. The male characters now looked like they were wearing diapers under their pants/armor. ROFL.

It got reverted after a couple of weeks, but it was over a YEAR before the 'big b**bies' crowd reared its ugly head again.

I repeat, harassment of others is WRONG, no matter the genders involved, and can possibly be a crime, depending on the jurisdiction and circumstances.

I am aware of the issues when it comes to game design..and all these woman have done is say exactly as you have said. That is all. They pointed out what the problem is and were inundated with a hate campaign. I am quite sure I have some idea of the things your wife had to deal with. Here and on other online sites where men consider themselves dominant I have received multiple requests for nude pictures amongst other things.


Death threats are illegal.

Yes they are. However getting the police to do something about it isn't always easy and these people know that. Especially as us victims are often told that they police cannot do anything until the threats have actually been made real. Of course then it is too late.

I remember the thread you mentioned a few posts back. I didn't approve of it, but seeing as how it got permitted for so long, I didn't see much that could be done about it here.

It was sexist. Obviously so. I paid a heavy price for merely pointing it out.

But an identical situation happened on another S@H-related board, one that I was the ADMIN of. A few of the posters there, perhaps inspired by the thread here, decided it would be a fun thing to post rather degrading images of scantily clad (and even down right nekkid) women. Unencumbered by the 1st Amendment considerations (free speech) that might apply here (the server was privately owned by a friend of mine, and the internet connection was through the company he owned), I immediately did NOT allow it. First I hid the offending posts, and delivered a stern warning. Then I had to start using the ban-hammer, especially after one of them got the idea to place the images not in his posts, but in his forum sig.

Yes, I did was liberally insulted over it. I got called almost every bad name in the book. Yes, I did receive threats over it. Yes, one threat was so bad (my death, as well as that of my family) that I reported it to the police in the perp's home town. But I didn't back down. The no-pics of that sort rule stuck. But, after the brouhaha died down, I did resign the position about a year later, publicly citing 'family issues'. I did not need the stress.

Yes. I know the feeling. Threats(such as having your name and address posted all over BOINC and videos posted on you tube of your head posted on a naked body being cut up) are very stressful. I also noticed at the time the people who did this mainly picked on those they saw as being inferior such as women or homosexuals.

As to the Anita Sarkeesian incident previously discussed, I never said she was wrong on her statements about the rampant sexism in games. She isn't wrong about that.

But I still smell 'publicity stunt' on that incident. That takes NOTHING away from the validity of her point, and indeed it is a masterstroke of genius. It has provided WAY more media exposure for her cause than just giving the talk would have, not to mention being some rather strong ammo against that particular law in Utah. I am not sure of the... wisdom... of that law in Utah, but it is for the People of Utah to decide.

The things that have been done to her go way beyond this one incident. She has been terrorised for quite some time.

The one threat that USU received by email was investigated by both the local Police and the FBI. They found the additional security that USU had arranged for the talk to be sufficient to counter the level and the credibility of the threats against her speech. She then requested that USU take a measure that would have violated Utah law. When they refused to break the law, she pulled out of the talk.

You say this as if she had a choice. This talk was at a university where young people are. She did absolutely the right thing in putting them first. The laws in Utah about guns obviously need to be overhauled if there is nothing to be done to make sure they are not allowed on a campus with vulnerable people. We aren't talking about a hunting range here or someone protecting their own home. There is no credible reason why someone would and should be allowed to carry a gun on a University Campus. Especially at a time when such a credible threat has been made. Putting her own safety at risk is one thing. Putting the safety of 100s of young people at risk is something else entirely. She had no choice.

As to Brianna Wu's article that you linked, a couple of observations from reading it, if you don't mind.

First, her use of the b-word, once in her first paragraph. I don't know about you, but the two women I know the best (my Wife, and my Mother) are both greatly offended by that word.

Perhaps I should forward some of the emails sent to me over the years here. That might put things in perspective. The b-word is very mild compared to some names I have been called.

Second, in her last paragraph... well I will quote it.

Gamergate, I have one message for you so listen up: When you take your last dying breath, I want you to know this. It was an absolute pleasure knocking you on your a** [naughty word edited by me] for the fine women in this field.


I have a question for you Es99...

How is it Ok for Ms. Brianna Wu to use a term of derision towards women and deliver a death threat, when that is precisely what she is complaining about from other people?

I am not seeing the death threat. Can you point it out?
18) Message boards : Politics : Against ALL women - Infanticide, Slavery, Rape, Trafficking... (Message 1590301)
Posted 8 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
Anther victim of gamergate: I Was Forced From My Home and Am Living In Constant Fear Because of Relentless Death Threats From Male Gamers

Of course there is always someone who will claim its a publicity stunt. I think I know exactly where to place people like that in this debate.



Why in God's name do women even consider to busy themselves with people like that? Shouldn't she know better? Shouldn't all women know better? Why does she get those death threats? Why haven't I never gotten one from scum like that? I stay the Hell away from people like that!!

I am the Godzilla of bitches. I have a backbone of pure adamantium


She said it herself.... And those 'gamers' probably know she thinks that way about herself.

The further you go with people like that, the further they go to be the 'winner' or rather 'dominater'

Stay away from those people, you silly woman, I'd say.

Wow, Julie. I am so disappointed to hear you say this.

Of course you don't get these threats as long as you remember your place and stay in the roles you are supposed to stay in.

I think I've already pointed out that I've been on the receiving end of threats here, on this very forum. Are you suggesting that I should have just quit and let the boys keep their little play room? If I had I can assure you 100% that you wouldn't enjoy posting here as much as you do. I know you know some of the things that have been messaged to the ladies her on seti by a minority of guys. Its pretty unpleasant and disgusting. Well it wasn't so long ago that those things were posted publicly to any ladies that dared post here on seti. It wasn't so long ago that any lady who dared complain was told to "stay away from these people, you silly woman". Its thanks to people like me that you don't have to put up with that crap here on seti any more.

You're welcome.

Women should be allowed to design and make video games without getting death threats. That you somehow think she should have quit her job and stayed quiet to avoid the threats is quite shameful.

Women should be allowed to post safely on a science based computing forum such as seti without suffering the same fate.



I was a SQUATTER Esmé, I roamed the street at night all alone with my dog, NOBODY bothered me. I even slept on the streets of Paris, alone. I never had to block ANYONE here at Seti and I don't think I have to thank you for that Es, to be honest. I've been here since 2009, I've seen things happen and change here, I'm not some dumb girl Esmé. The woman in the article just attracts people like that is what I think.

RIGHT. You've been here since 2009 which is when things finally started to change. I am so glad that me "attracting people like that" by speaking out helped make your experience on seti so much better that mine was.

You can think what you want, Julie, and you can say what you want, and I bet you feel pretty safe right now and don't assume that someone is going to track down where you live and threaten your family because you are saying what you think. Which is what happened here on a regular basis before 2009.

So again. You're welcome. I am so glad you haven't had to block anyone on seti. I am so glad that you didn't have to go through what I did. I am so glad that what I went through wasn't for nothing.

I hope anyone who has daughters is supporting this woman 100% for trying to make life better for the next generation. I have a niece right now at university training to go into this field and I am genuinely worried for her. I am grateful to any woman who has the guts to stand up to this disgusting behaviour. We should be applauding her, not judging her.
19) Message boards : Politics : Against ALL women - Infanticide, Slavery, Rape, Trafficking... (Message 1590293)
Posted 8 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
The woman in the article just attracts people like that is what I think.

She attracts them by the virtue of being a female game developer who uses twitter. Thats all it takes to get this kind of vile treatment. If she wants to avoid people like that, its like Es said, she would have to keep quiet, not be allowed to speak out.

I think its extremely brave of her to stand up to trolls like that. Seriously, F those guys who ruin gaming with their toxic trolling behavior. F them for wanting to make gaming some kind of male only space that exclusively caters to their extremely one sided idea of 'fun games'. But most importantly, F them for acting like such horrible human beings.

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20) Message boards : Politics : You go Canada! (Message 1590275)
Posted 8 days ago by Profile Es99Project donor
Still, it is good to hear the sounds of Joual again spoken on TV.
Our condolences go out to the family of that service man who
lost his life on duty to-day in Ottawa.

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